nakedpastor Deconstructs Mark Driscoll’s ‘Obama Is Not a True Christian’ Tweet

More on that Tweet here.

(via nakedpastor)

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  • Juno

    The message is nice, damn, that is a jumbled mess.

  • Tony D

    cracks me up that “sophisticated” liberal theists like nakedpastor are frothing at the
    mouth over this tweet! Driscoll is a man of Faith making
    Faith-based claims (he “knows” that what he is saying is “true” by
    Faith); claims which are exactly as valid as anyone else’s Faith-based
    claims, including nakedpastor’s, because none of them are based on anything beyond wishful
    speculation and sentimental conjecture. It’s a truthiness free-for-all,
    and the fact that Driscoll had the audacity to publicly impugn someone
    else’s Faith-based claim with his own is merely incidental. nakedpastor is a hypocrite for criticizing and deconstructing Driscoll’s Faith-based claim. It is the blind chastising the blind for not seeing what they don’t see either!

    • Sven2547

      Driscoll is making a dishonest and libelous claim, and “nakedpastor” takes exception to suck rank dishonesty. Apparently you do not.

      • Tony D

        First, I do take exception to dishonesty, and while I think Driscoll is incorrect in his accusations (which I find unfortunate), I don’t think he’s being dishonest. I accept that he fully believes it by Faith, which I find even more unfortunate.
        Is it really libelous to suggest someone is not a Christian? I’m asking in all seriousness.

        • Sven2547

          It shouldn’t be libelous, but in America’s Christian-supremacist political climate, it is. Were you hiding under a rock in 2008 and 2012? Did you not see the thousands of lunatics claiming that Obama is secretly a Muslim and, therefore, somehow ineligible to be President?

    • coyotenose

      Nakedpastor is speaking from experience with the dog-whistles and subtleties of religious speech. Driscoll is not speaking from any experience with his subject.

      • Tony D

        That’s a fine point, and what I’m trying to do is take a step back and look at factors which, to me, seem more basic (and perhaps even more subtle) than Driscoll’s alleged dishonesty, or nakedpastor’s supposed subtlety and experience, etc: the inherent irony and hypocrisy of Faith vs Faith smackdowns. I think naked pastor makes some interesting observations and inferences in his deconstruction, but in the end I have a difficult time taking his admonishment seriously.

        • Nathan

          There’s no “admonishment” here other than a clear exposition of what Driscoll is actually saying. If nakedpastor were an atheist, he could easily have said exactly the same thing about Driscoll’s tweet. You may not like nakedpastor’s beliefs, but they don’t seem particularly relevant in this context.

  • Katherine Lorraine

    Minor grammar quibble:
    Titles, regardless of the importance of the office, only receive a capital letter when affixed to a name – so Pastor Mark or President Obama or Janitor Bob, but pastor and president and janitor.

    • mikespeir

      Actually, I think it’s consider proper to capitalize the P in President when referring to the office itself.

      From WordWeb Pro:

      Noun: President
      1. The office of the United States head of state
      “a President is elected every four years”
      2. The person who holds the office of head of state of the United States government
      “the President likes to jog every morning”

      Noun: president
      1. An executive officer of a firm or corporation
      2. The chief executive of a republic
      3. The officer who presides at the meetings of an organization
      4. The head administrative officer of a college or university


      • Jon Peterson

        This, but with the clarification that in English, it doesn’t only apply to the U.S. President, but also to the executive offices of other countries (even if, as with England and the Queen, those offices are more decorative than functional).

        • mikespeir

          Sure. WordWeb’s an American product.

        • Katherine Lorraine

          I’ll respond to both of you here:
          I think it’s a matter of whether you’re referring to a specific title such as “President of the United States of America” and “Queen of England” or “King of France” rather than something such as “the president” or “the queen” or “the king.”
          From what I always heard, you don’t normally capitalize titles, unless you’re specifically talking about the person or a specific title like PotUSA.
          It’s a nicety to capitalize job titles, but not necessary, and it looks weird, too.

          • Quintin van Zuijlen

            “The queen” or “the king” or “the president” still refers to one specific title, person and position. That’s what the definite article does.

          • mikespeir

            I’ve seen it both ways. Yours is certainly “the rule.” However, some consider it more proper, as a purely honorary thing, to always capitalize it when referring to (in this case) the U.S. President. Obviously, Driscoll is wanting anything but to honor Obama.

    • coyotenose

      Or Battlemaster Coyotenose of the Alliance.

  • mikespeir

    Take a deep breath and realize that Mark Driscoll is not on the winning side. Not now and not in some imagined eternity.

  • camasblues

    Well, I know Mark Driscoll is a True Asshole.

  • StopObama2012

    Yes Obonehead is a liar. That much should be plain to anyone with even half a brain. What he believes about God is irrelevant since it doesn’t change the fact that he is liar.

    • CelticWhisper

      Well of course he’s a liar – welcome to US politics.

      As for his religious beliefs, though, that’s long been of interest to atheists in the US because so much of the goings-on in government are mired in religious superstition and pomp and circumstance about Lordy McJesusGod. I disagree with a LOT of what Obama’s done over his first term (enough to see me voting Johnson/Gray in 2012 despite the flack I knew I’d catch from Obama-supporting friends) but I’m more than willing to credit him for helping to demolish the notion that a POTUS must always be a “good, Gawd-feerin’ Christ-ee-ann.”

      I hope he does go down in history as, among other things, the “It’s okay to be A” president.

      • StopObama2012

        He’ll for sure go down in history as the most deceptive and deceitful of Presidents. BTW – atheists are fools.

        • coyotenose

          Since you’re unaware that the president before him opened a war on false pretenses that has cost well over a hundred thousand lives, you’re too ignorant for your desperate, pissy whines to be treated with much more than dismissiveness.