Guess Why This Pastor Didn’t Tip His Server?

Ladies and gentleman, this may surprise you, but I was not always the wildly successful part-time freelance writer you see before you today.

There were many years of my life where I made my living waiting tables.

I was a server, my boyfriend was a server, my brother was a server, most of my friends have been servers, all of my servers have been servers.  I’m surrounded by the noble men and women of the service industry.

As a result, nothing raises my hackles quite like bad tippers.

Especially bad tippers who don’t tip after a $200+ meal.

Especially passive-aggressive bad tippers who justify their behavior with faith:

I give God 10% why do you get 18

First of all, you don’t give your God 10%; you give your church 10%.

Second of all, if you don’t want to tip, then you don’t get to go out to eat. Full stop.

I hate to get into the whole tipping debate, but here’s the bottom line: The restaurant is charging you $10 for that burger because the owners are paying their wait staff $2.13 an hour with the understanding that you are going to give that server an 18% (or so) tip. That tip gets distributed (depending on the restaurant) to bartenders, bus boys, food runners, hosts, barbacks, sometimes kitchen staff — basically, all sorts of people who help get that food to and from your table. If you elect not to tip your server, guess what? That server still has to tip out all of those people. Which means that that server is now paying for the pleasure of waiting on you.

I don’t care if you think that’s wrong; that’s just the way it is. The money could get shifted around so you don’t have to tip, but then all of a sudden you’re paying $15 for that burger so the restaurant can cover their overhead. That’s just life in America. If you don’t like it, stay at home, get drive-thru, I don’t care.

We can argue about 15% vs. 18% vs. 20% being the standard. We can argue about tipping your barista. We can argue whether or not the whole tipping thing is antiquated and needs to be thrown out. But not tipping is just not okay.

All that being said… how big of a dick is this person?! Listen, dude, just because you give up a tenth of your income to your church does not mean you can take it out on the person who was waiting on you. Trust me, I have received my fair share of prayer cards (in lieu of, as well as in addition to, a monetary tip), but this is one of the worst things I have seen (tip-wise). The servers shouldn’t be punished because you don’t like the System.

Is that what your religion teaches you? Because I’m sure Jesus gave one hell of an amazing tip to the wait staff after The Last Supper.

(Thanks to Brian for the link!)


The waitress who posted this to Reddit has been fired from the Applebees that she worked at.  Here’s more info from the Consumerist:

“I originally posted the note as a lighthearted joke,” says Chelsea, who was dismissed from her job at Applebee’s on Wednesday, as the story began to spread across the Internet. “I thought the note was insulting, but it was also comical. I posted it to Reddit because I thought other users would find it entertaining.”

Chelsea tells Consumerist that the receipt was actually not even for her table. Rather, the server on the receiving end of the note showed it to Chelsea, who snapped a photo of it later that night.

Some time on Wednesday, Chelsea says the customer who had left the receipt contacted her Applebee’s location, demanding that everyone be fired, from the servers involved to the managers.

I supposed I am not all-together surprised, but Chelsea makes a couple interesting point that I thought was worth bringing up:

“When I posted this, I didn’t represent Applebee’s in a bad light,” she continues. “In fact, I didn’t represent them at all. I did my best to protect the identity of all parties involved. I didn’t break any specific guidelines in the company handbook — I checked.

But because this person got embarrassed that their selfishness was made public, Applebee’s has made it clear that they would rather lose a dedicated employee than lose an angry customer. That’s a policy I can’t understand.”

If this person wrote the note, obviously they wanted it seen by someone,” she points out. “It’s strange to me that now that the audience is wider than just the server, the person is now ashamed.”

And they should be ashamed. Hopefully, Chelsea lands on her feet. She sounds pretty bright, and she was waiting tables to save up for college, which is respectable.

Best of luck to you, Chelsea!

About Jessica Bluemke

Jessica Bluemke grew up in the suburbs of Chicago and graduated from Ball State University in 2008 with a BA in Literature. She currently works as a writer and resides on the North side of Chicago.

  • C Peterson

    Seriously, you have to wonder why an omnipotent being needs money…

  • RobMcCune

    Why do you get 18?

    Because your waiter is not immortal and needs to eat.
    Because your waiter cannot multiply loaves and fishes.
    Because your waiter is not omnipotent, and cannot do for .

  • Bert Russell

    originated on Redit. The server still got the 18% tip because the
    pastor was part of a party of 20 people and the restaurant had a sign
    that said groups of 8 or more are auto-gratuity of 18%. I read the whole
    story from the server on there. What he refused to do was leave additional tip.

  • JWH

    We can argue about 15% vs. 18% vs. 20% being the standard. We can argue about tipping your barista. We can argue whether or not the whole tipping thing is antiquated and needs to be thrown out. But not tipping is just not okay.

    Disagree. If service is poor, then, no, I’m not going to leave a tip.

  • slaq

    Still doesn’t excuse his dickishness.

  • Mark Dorn

    18% of a meal seems a lot lower than 10% of one’s annual income. Regardless, what’s the point of a pastor giving 10% to the church; it’s just coming out of the congregation’s money.

  • John (not McCain)

    It’s for settlements or court-ordered payments to victims of said omnipotent being’s representatives here in the real world.

  • Feminerd

    I usually leave a tip no matter what. If service is poor, I’ll leave ~10% (which is really terrible) to express my displeasure, but it’s still not OK to force a server to pay for the privilege of serving me. I figure that about covers the server tipping out all the other people, without giving them much/any extra.

    That said, the whole system is fuxxored, but it’s not fair to take it out on the servers. It’s not their fault they get paid 1/3 of minimum wage and are entirely dependent on tips to make a living. Since I have the privilege of having enough money to go out to eat at a sit-down restaurant, I shouldn’t make anyone’s else’s life harder by doing so.

  • Miss_Beara

    I don’t think I could ever be a server. The prayer cards disguised as money, rude customers, horrible tippers… ugh.

    There was one time I didn’t tip. It was the absolute worst service I have ever received in a restaurant. I had some iffy ones before, but this was the worst. Empty restaurant and we had to repeatedly ask for a server and then we had to repeatedly ask for the check. It was so bad that we could have just left without paying and nobody would have noticed.

    Excellent servers always get a little bit more.

  • Adam Budda

    As a long time waiter, I agree with that sentiment. I’ve worked with people who assumed just by taking an order they deserved a good tip. Not to say you need to shine their shoes, but waiting tables and getting tipped is a meritocracy. On the flip side of that coin, denying a tip for stupid reasons like this, is like taking money out of a homeless persons hat on the ground. You’d never do one, but feel completely justified in doing the other.

  • Brent

    “No. They ran up well over 200$ before taxes or gratuity. They asked for separate checks, thinking it would get them out of the autograt, even though the same man paid for everything.

    They had no problem with my service, and told me I was great. They just didn’t want to pay when the time came.” – That’s insane

  • fsm

    He gives his ‘God’ 10 percent of his income not 10 percent of one meal. I suspect that $6.29 is a bit less than 10 percent of what he is making in a year. Plus if he is a Pastor, then he is not giving his ‘God’ 10 percent he is returning 10 percent of his salary. no matter what, this guy is overpaid.

  • Art_Vandelay

    So besides generally being a dick and implying he has special privileges
    because he’s a pastor…that guy didn’t really do anything wrong,
    right? I mean I usually tip in the 20-25% range anyway but if I go to a
    restaurant that has already figured out for me what I should tip, then
    that’s basically what I’m tipping.

  • Adam Budda

    ya, but from the way he scratched out the Grat, you can tell he thought 34.98 was the pre-tip bill.

  • CottonBlimp

    Unless you’re going to a fancy restaurant, your server is not being paid nearly enough to give a shit. In my experience, most people who assume the right to withhold their server’s rent money if they don’t jump high enough don’t give nearly as much of a damn at their own jobs, where they expect a much higher, consistent salary.

  • observer

    I maybe reading too much into it, but is the pastor implying the server is selfish?

  • A3Kr0n

    Every time you come up to me and say “how’s everything tastin’ “, I give you one less dollar. So that’s my peeve.

  • John Kelley

    I agree that if you don’t want to tip, you should not go out to eat. Conversely, there’s no tipping generally in Europe and other countries. Instead, they pay their servers a living wage. Wouldn’t it be nice if they did that here in the USA?

  • b00ger

    Severing is often a thankless job. I’ve done it, and know several others who have as well. That being said, tipping is not mandatory, but is considered customary. It should be factored into your decision to dine out. If you are going to spend $200 on a meal, then you should anticipate and be prepared to leave a $20-$30 tip.

    My personal philosophy on tipping is that I’m paying for service. I start the tip at about 10% and adjust it up or down based on the actions of the server. If all you do is take my order and bring me drinks and my food, that earns you your 10%. If you check on my table frequently and I don’t have to hunt you down to get refills or the check, you get bumped up to 15%. If you are really awesome then I’ll tack on even more. Alternately if the service really sucks (being careful to distinguish between what the server can control and what they can’t) then you get less or even nothing.

  • Mario Strada

    Jessica, I also waited tables for many years and my policy is to tip 20% or more if the service was fair to exceptional, 15% if it was mediocre and 10% if the server is really terrible. I break the last rule often if I see that the server is new and very busy, I only apply it to experienced servers that just are unable to provide decent service.

    Once someone stiffed me too, her excuse was that she was an “artist” and therefore in her opinion she was exempt for paying due to the fact that she enriched our lives with art. I find that almost as presumptuous as the god excuse of the good pastor. At least the artist didn’t claim superior morality or a connection with the man upstairs.

    I am glad that they got dinged for 18% anyway. But leaving that note on the check is a huge display of dickiness.

    I wish we did away with the tipping business or we used it the way they do it in Europe, Australia, etc. where the tip rounds off the server’s wages rather than being the major part of it.
    I think the right compromise would be to charge 10% on the check and leave the remaining 5% to 10% up to the customer.

  • b00ger

    Hehe, severing. A Freudian slip, I swear

  • Philboid Studge

    How does one “give god 10%” ? If this cheap assclown is a pastor, he’s the one getting the ka-ching from the sheeple dumb enough to tithe.

  • Greg Peterson

    Perhaps there is an 8 percent “the server actually exists” surcharge?

  • Jessica

    So I really wasn’t going to comment at all on this article, but I did want to bring this up:
    What you consider “outstanding” service varies from table to table, or person to person.
    For example, my boyfriend and myself. I am Chatty McGoo, and I will be your bestest friend if you want to hang out at my table and chat. I like being checked in on, I appreciate a friendly server.
    However, my boyfriend wants the server to take his order, drop off his food, and leave him alone. He’s not there to be bestest buddies with the server, he’s there to spend time with whomever he came with.
    So what I would consider outstanding service, he would find overbearing and obnoxious and what he prefers, I find a little cold.
    I know it’s a server’s job to “read the table,” but consider that not everyone has the same expectations for their dining experience.

  • Brent

    One of the big issues for servers is on display here. Just in the comments there are some people saying if you come back to check on them they get annoyed and tip less, others saying that they tip more if you’re checking in often. Effectively the server, for low pay, is supposed to read each individual group, decide what kind of personality they seem to have and if they will want more attention or less attention, and then try to meet their specific needs in the HOPES of being adequately paid to do so. But half the time people just throw down $2-3 and think that’s enough regardless of what they thought of the service anyway. And they’re expected to do all of this and remain eager to make your experience great 100% of the time. Quite the system.

  • Gus Snarp

    I assume you tell them this ahead of time so you’re not just arbitrarily punishing them for doing what they’ve been trained to do? Or maybe, since a lot of American restaurants are training their servers this way, you should take it up with management instead of screwing over the sub minimum wage server who’s doing the job the way management wants them to.

  • Stonyground

    Presumably this guy never eats in the same restaraunt twice. Because if he comes back he is going to get some pretty unpleasant stuff mixed with his food. Serves the stupid bellend right if you ask me.

  • WallofSleep

    If the service is terrible, I don’t leave a tip. If that terrible service includes a shitty attitude, I leave a penny.

    On the flip-side of that: If you get part of your meal comped, or use a coupon, and get satisfactory service, do tip based on what the full amount would have been without the comp/coupon.

  • Gonzo

    Plus there is the fact that the waiter gave him something tangible, not imaginary :-)

  • Gus Snarp

    I believe he scratched out the tip amount and wrote in the amount prior to the 18% for the total, so he’s not authorizing any tip at all. Hard to tell since he scratched it out so thoroughly.

  • Art_Vandelay

    Oh damn….you’re right. 18% of $34.93 is $6.29 so the total bill was actually $41.22. My bad…this is terrible.

  • Adam Patrick

    Sounds like something a two year old would do. This is no better than what he did and is actually worse. What if he’s deathly allergic to something some pissed off waiter added to his food? Congrats, you nearly killed a man over a few dollars.

  • Holytape

    Also, unlike God, when you ask your waitress for something, you usually receive it.

  • Rich Wilson

    Was the pastor the only one who didn’t want to pay the auto-tip? Or did everyone try to adjust their bill?

  • Holytape

    I would recommend that next time this person wants a burger, that he sit at his kitchen table and pray for one.

  • Edmond

    Don’t you get the impression that he would do this same thing, even if he was eating alone?

  • Adam Patrick

    That’s actually what my uncle does. He hates when the server is constantly checking up on him and he’ll tell the server he wants to be left alone.

  • C Peterson

    So, an omnipotent being can’t even “fix” a court decision?

  • Rich Wilson

    He’s a gentleman.

    He doesn’t go where he’s not invited…

  • Glasofruix

    “So what exactly does your god need money for again?”

  • Wren

    Usually, what gets added is a bodily fluid, not Comet or bleach.

  • Jim Stitzel

    Having myself worked for tips, I almost always tip at least 40% and frequently 50% or more. You have to really screw up my service to get less than, and I never tip less than 20%, even for horrendous service. Like I said, I’ve been there. I know what it’s like to scrabble for every spare penny you can get. I also know it’s like to get that one awesome customer who tips above and beyond the minimum and how much that can make your day. Stellar service merits stellar reward, in my opinion.

  • vexorian

    Tipping itself should be outlawed. The establishment should pay the waitress 11.80 and just pay the servers like that.

    Live in a country where thankfully tips are not a part of the eating out culture.

  • Art_Vandelay

    It is the pre-tip bill. ($34.93)

  • anniewhoo

    Let’s examine how many of the seven deadly sins this pastor covered in this one act, shall we?

    Gluttony? $34 for one meal sounds like appetizers, dessert, and perhaps even alcohol was added to the meal. Check.

    Greed? Obvious check.

    Sloth? Sometimes defined as a failure to so things one should do. So, check this one too.

    Wrath? Definite uncontrolled feelings of rage here… towards the server. Check.

    Pride? Signing it “Pastor” and bragging about giving money to his church definitely qualifies, don’t you think? Another check.

    Five out of seven isn’t bad for one simple act. And this person is the spiritual “shepherd” of his flock?

  • Glenn Lee

    thank you!

  • Mark W.

    What the server needs to do is go to the Pastors church and when the collection plate comes around put a note into the plate that says, “God, I wanted to pay you your 10% but some cheap Pastor of yours stiffed me on my pay, so now I need to make rent, food and utilities and I don’t have 10% left to give. I know you’ll let me slide, because Jesus always had kindness and charity for the poor in his heart, and hated the rich and greedy. Thanks, Server John Doe.

  • rlrose328

    From what I read, and I read the entire nauseating thing along with her comments separately, I didn’t see anywhere where it said he ended up paying the autograt. The bill we are seeing is just one of many because he had her split up the $200 total into smaller checks trying to avoid the autograt, but it’s based on number of people, not total spent. He crossed out the autograt and zeroed out the additional tip, so unless he tipped cash on the table, he did not tip anything.
    Is an autograt enforceable by law?

  • rlrose328

    Because they share the tips among other staff in the larger restaurants, I do leave a small tip because the others deserve something. It’s too bad we can’t specify who gets a larger portion of a tip if the food was excellent but the service poor… doesn’t seem right to punish the kitchen staff if the waiter/server is lousy.

  • Jenn

    Here’s what I don’t get, tipping is the perfect opportunity to show some Christian charity, but then they go ahead and write this. It’s almost as though they don’t want other people to believe in Jesus…

  • rlrose328

    Exactly. It will make the food more expensive but for good food, I’m willing to do that if I know the staff is being paid fairly and with a living wage. Good grief, this country is backwards in so many ways.

  • Zugswang

    Or maybe because he doesn’t actually give 10%. His salary comes from that holy revenue stream he’s so keen on trumpeting. You don’t get to claim you donate money when the same bills you take out go right back into your wallet.

  • sam

    Hey, Rev. Fuckstain. Maybe if you’d tip your god more than 10%, he wouldn’t be serving you only human flesh and blood.

  • baal

    I’d like to tips to be more of a merit thing than part of the wages. It’d take a federal law change, however as servers are not included in minimum wage (which is also insanely low).

  • Daniel

    I’m with your boyfriend. I’m 100% happy with my server if my food shows up hot, is what I ordered, and my glass of water and/or coke spends a minimal amount of time empty. And frankly, if the food is good enough, it doesn’t even have to be what I ordered.

    My view is that if I wanted your life story, I’d invite you to lunch, and hopefully our server would leave us alone so I could hear it. :D

    For the record, I’ve worked as a server, busser, and dinner salad preparation (which got a slice of the tips where I worked).

    I have also been known to take a book into a restaurant, order an appetizer and a drink and tell the server straight up, “Look, I can sit here for four hours and finish this book. If my drink stays more or less full, I tip $5/hr on top of for what I ordered and if it picks up and you’d rather have a full table here, just make some innocent passing comment about how it’s getting busy and I’ll be happy finishing this on my couch at home.”

  • Edgar

    Liberal logic. Everyone is free as long as they do as I do.

    There’s no reason to give tips since there’s no law forcing you to do so. If you want to give it, go ahead. if you don’t, then don’t do it. No one can force you.

    In my case I never tip, ever. If you’re not earning enough in your job you’re free to demand mor money from your employer or you can quit and get a job where they pay you what you deserve. So don’t expect something from me.

  • JustSayin’

    The “good reverend” is an asshole. Period.

    That said, reading over the comments, I have this to say about tipping: I have myself never waited tables, but I have a very good friend who has done so throughout the years, and it is from her that I learned the importance of tipping. If I do not have enough money to tip, then I won’t go to a full-service restaurant.

    On the other hand, I don’t think that service automatically warrants a tip. It is rare, but there have been times when I or my partner didn’t tip. Neither of us is a demanding customer, so as long as the server keeps our drinks filled, bread on the table (if the restaurant offers it), and occasionally asks if we need anything, they are assured of a 20% tip. However, we went through what must’ve been a six-month period where we got TERRIBLE service nearly everywhere we went. I’m not talking about a waiter/waitress who forgot our drinks or perhaps forgot to enter our orders; what I mean is that he or she completely forgot about us. I understand that these individuals aren’t getting paid a full wage, but as a diner, I don’t see how giving them money regardless of the quality of service is fair to me.

    I do, however, agree with those on here who’ve called out other commenters for holding the fact that a server is only doing her job against her. How the hell is someone supposed to know that you get annoyed by being asked if you need anything more than x amount of times? Even if my server happens to be a bit overlzealous in that respect, I’m grateful that it’s not the opposite (which, in my experience anyway, is far more common.)

  • Brian Lynchehaun

    Servers in BC, Canada make minimum wage.

  • rlrose328

    That is a really, really good point. I’m very chatty and will engage the waitstaff at my favorite restaurant needlessly but they’re friendly and I like hearing about their lives. My husband, on the other hand, sighs big sighs and does the “now honey, she needs to get back to work” eventually. I don’t need that, but I prefer a friendly server who will smile and at least pretend she’s as happy to be there as I am.
    Hubby, though, would prefer less happiness and just really good service. Fill the glasses, bring napkins, ask if we need anything… not cloying or overbearing but attentive. And he tips really well no matter if it’s Denny’s (yes, we go to Denny’s occasionally) or the Chart House. He tips so well that a pizza place in the next town still delivers to us even though they redid their delivery area last year and excluded our town. We only found that out when they added order online capabilities but our town wasn’t listed, so we called… there is a note in their computer that we are outstanding tippers. LOL!

  • Thin-ice

    Lighten up, Adam. It’s called “hyperbole”. Look it up.

  • rlrose328

    He paid the entire bill so he used the card on all the bills, which leads me to assume (yeah, yeah) that he paid the server no tip. There is no tip paid on that bill in the picture. The pre-tip amount is $34.93 and the total line is $34.93. Again, unless he tipped the table, he did not tip at all.

  • JustSayin’

    Yes, the economy is just full to bursting with job opportunities. Randian logic.

  • Brian Pansky

    this is also one of those “um, tell it to my employer, you fiend” kind of moments

  • nakedanthropologist

    What a fucking asshole. Seriously, do Christians actually think that their god gives two flying fucks about how much they tithe? Do they seriously not realize that their tithe money goes directly to their church, and that god is just a means of justification for that money by said church. Jesus tap-dancing Christ – not only this that tool from the article an asshole, he’s a really stupid fucking asshole to boot.

  • Edgar

    Yeah, that’s the reason I saw like thirty “help wanted” signs on my way home.

  • The Captain

    You do live in a libertarian fantasy world where everyone has a job and it’s the employees who hold all the power. Frankly it’s a world as imaginary as religious peoples heaven and about as logical too.

    “In my case I never tip, ever.” Good to know that on top of holding a bunch of unreal economic religious beliefs your an asshole too.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    Severing is often a thankless job.

    That reminds me of the old joke about the leper. He was so happy with the services of a prostitute that he left a tip.

  • JustSayin’

    Yes, because the job market is just full to bursting with opportunities.

    Randian logic.

  • nakedanthropologist

    In other words, the entire country doesn’t carp to your particular brand of “reasoning” (and I use the term loosely here) and therefore you stiff the person who is waiting on you, even though you know that their wage is dependent on the tips they make. Conservative logic: “you’re poor, and I don’t care”. Nice.

  • ミッコ

    spit in his food and coffee (snot included)

  • Rich Wilson

    So “Liberal logic” = being a decent human being, and not shitting on others just because you can?

    I’ll take Liberal, thanks.

  • Edgar

    My asshole what?

    ….ohhh you mean that I’m an asshole. well, I’m proud of being one. Are you going to sue me? Guess what? There aren’t any laws saying that I must tip or not being an asshole; and since I only care to obey legal laws I don’t need to follow your fascist ideas.

  • smrnda

    They’re probably all for more shit jobs that don’t pay a living wage. You should actually look a bit further than the existence of a ‘help wanted’ sign before you are SO OBNOXIOUSLY SURE that there are living wages just around the corner for everyone.

    The reason why servers rely on tips is that businesses have massive resources to lobby the government for laws that enable them to pay very low wages.

    Also, many restaurants assume that servers are always being tipped, and demand that the servers fork over a certain amount of money based on this assumed quantity of money that they are supposed to be bringing in. When people do not tip, the server can end up having to basically PAY MONEY for the privilege of working for someone else

    You are free to delight in an unfair system and free to be an asshole, but to me, you’re basically punishing people for getting stuck in a shit job.

    Thanks for proving once against that all libertarians are juvenile, selfish, obnoxious brats who think that by being all those things they are better than the rest of us. I have never, ever met 1 exception to this rule.

  • Rich Wilson

    I’m just wondering if the server got any tip for the entire table, or 0 tip for the entire table. That bill was just one person’s portion.

  • Houndentenor

    there’s nothing liberal about this. This is how we pay servers in the US. The law allows restaurants to pay a lower hourly wage because they get tips. If you don’t want to tip, then you don’t eat in a restaurant. You’re just looking for an excuse to be a cheapskate and feel good about it. Typical Randian logic. You’re probably as big a hypocrite about this in your own life as Rand was.

  • Houndentenor

    I would like to say that this is not typical of pastors (or we’d see far more about it online). It’s typical of douchebags. This should include the name of this pastor and his church. I think plenty in the congregation would be none to happy to hear about this.

    When I was living in Germany I remember being shocked how expensive restaurant food was. Then I added in the tax and tip and realized that it was about the same price as in the US (sometimes less). The tip is part of the cost of the meal. And if the service is so bad you are tempted not to tip, then complain to the manager so they can do something about it. Don’t just stiff the server. (I don’t so much mind that you stiffed them but the management needs to know.) My point is, you are going to pay for this service one way or the other. It doesn’t really matter how the bill is broken up although this is a typical US business practice of hiding the real cost until the bill bill is totaled. We do it with everything (cell phone service is the worst offender but there are plenty of others). Personally I’d rather they tell me up front what everything is really going to cost, but that’s not how we do restaurant bills so we leave a tip. It’s not optional.

  • Edgar

    Just another fascist. Just because I don’t fit in you narrow “holier than thou” ideas you feel like you can say whera and what can I do. If you can’t show me a law that forces me to tip, then I won’t. Of course such a thing can only exist in socialist hellholes.

  • Cortex_Returns

    Libertarian logic: disapproval = oppression.

    He’s free to be a dick, but we’re free to call him one.

    You’re a dick, too.

  • Brent

    I assume that you are, in return, fine with the idea of paying 15-20% more for your food. Since that is the appropriate solution here. Get rid of tipping, raise the price of food the amount needed to ensure that wait staff (waiters, bussers..etc) are paid adequately without it hurting the business’ ability to cover their overhead. If you’re on board with adding 15-20% on to the cost of food everywhere you eat a sit-down meal, I’m right there with you. If you’re not, you’re just kind of a jerk.

  • The Captain

    No there is no law saying you can’t be an asshole. That’s your freedom. Just like it’s my freedom to call you out for being an asshole. It’s your freedom to be a cheap selfish ignorant cuntwad who has hasn’t the faintest clue of economics other than a religious belief that strangely justifies you being and arrogant asshole to other people in society. And it’s your right to show your selfish stupidity for all the world to see on the internet. Just like it’s my right to call you a stupid fucking worthless cunt for doing so.

  • Sven2547

    Legal precedent is mixed, and it probably boils down to state-by-state regulations. Judges have ruled on it both ways.

  • Sven2547

    The pastor’s scribbling and remarks make it very clear that he did not want to pay any of the 18% auto-grat either.

  • Sven2547

    I’m an asshole because I’m allowed to be an asshole.
    Conservative logic?

  • The Captain

    FIrst off I call bullshit. You did not see 30 help wanted signs on your way to work, if you did then pic to prove it. But you won’t because your a liar on top of being a cheap selfish fuck.

    Second, I call dumb fuck ignorance. What makes you think a waiter or waitress is qualified to do those jobs time wise or even if those jobs pay more? Hell do you even know what those jobs are? The hours? The Pay. Are they real or scams? Why do libertarians seem to know the least about economics!? Basically you don’t know shit about shit but thinks that gives you some childish right to act superior to hard working people.

  • Jayn

    For me the biggest thing is how long I have to wait for stuff that I’ve asked for. Want to make sure I leave you my minimum tipping amount? Make me wait for the check. (Usually when this happens the service has been mediocre at best, so a bad final impression becomes the key thing.)

  • wmdkitty

    I typically round up to the next $5, so, let’s say, a $21-and-change order becomes $25.

  • Sven2547

    25% for remarkably excellent service. It happens from time to time.
    15-20% if service is average-to-good.
    10% for poor service. Very unusual, maybe one time in a hundred.
    0% for outrageously bad service. Very rare, but it happens from time to time. Like the time I sat there wondering where my server disappeared to for 90 minutes.

    I also calculate food and drink tips separately. I see no reason to tip more than $1 per (alcoholic) drink. It takes just as much skill and effort to pour me a $30 glass of Scotch as it does a $4 glass of Jack. Call me a cheapskate.

    Just my 2 cents (or if you prefer, my 15%).

  • JWH

    I usually tip in the 15 to 20 percent range, sometimes a little more if I’m truly impressed with the service. But I think it’s important to reserve the right not to tip at all; the gratuity is something I add to the check because I choose to add it, not because it is something required.

  • Mogg

    Socialist hellholes like where I live, and waiters and waitresses are paid an actual living wage so they are not actually punished for having to deal with cheery little sunshines like you? I’m quite happy with my nice little socialist hellhole, thanks.

  • Edgar

    Great you start with insults and ad hominems. A truly liberal example. You’re even a psychic since you know what I know and you can see my whole life.

  • ortcutt

    It’s easy to be self-righteous when you think you have a direct line to the Almighty. It’s one of the worst consequences of religion.

  • Edgar

    I don’t have a problem paying that as long as it is a fair price for it. I totally support that, that’s my point exactly, but there are so many blinded by their holier than thou rage that they lose sight of what it’s reasonable.

  • Carmelita Spats

    Maverick! You probably also eat live puppies, whole baby seals and are
    coming for my cat. I bet you cuss at small children, wear your Batman
    underwear outside your pants (’cause you CAN and society CAN’T tell you
    otherwise), and talk on the cell phone so EVERYONE can hear you. Yes?
    Maverick…You open your giant purse or crack your bitchin’
    briefcase and whip out that swell little phone and pop in the
    earpiece and dial that bad boy right up so we can all hear you whine for
    the next 137 minutes about how your acid
    reflux has been acting up again and you really think the goddamn Purple
    Pill ain’t working and by the way how are your hemorrhoids honey maybe
    you should try tying a little rubber band around it to choke it off and
    oh sweet Jesus I’m still in line at Wal-Mart, paralyzed. I can’t escape.
    It is physically impossible to slide more than nine inches away from
    you and and there simply aren’t enough bottles of Stoli at Wal-Mart to
    turn your conversation from brain-gnawingly deadly to
    merely numbly sufferable. Emily Post’s rules of etiquette are not
    LEGALLY enforceable but goddamn, they make standing next to you at a
    capitalist hellhole like Wal-Mart that much more bearable. Glory!

  • Edgar

    That’s ok. I’m a dick, but you’re a pussy. And you know what they say, dicks fuck pussies.

  • A3Kr0n

    I’ve actually never withheld a dollar because of it, but if it really starts to irritate me I promise to be respectful.

  • C Peterson

    Apparently, he doesn’t go where he is invited, either!

  • Bad_homonym

    Watch the movie “Waiting”

    Never fuck with people who handle your food!

  • McAtheist

    Ex waiter/bartender here, same thing with me, we start at 30% but it could go up.

    Once when I was a server, a ‘gentleman’ brought in a party of 10 to my section. As I was taking the drink order he loudly announced that he was paying the entire bill but he “did not believe in tipping.”

    I smiled and said, “That’s o.k., I don’t believe in giving good service.” and off I went to get their drinks (I should note here that professional servers will give everyone equal service – we accept that some people do not tip – we don’t usually know who they are up front), while I was at the bar an embarrassed member of their party came up to me and apologized, he then tried to ‘pre-tip’ me $100.

    Of course I refused, I told him I would look after their party and was just yanking the boss man’s chain. They left me a satisfactory tip and the embarrassed guy still pressed the $100 bill into my hand as he left.

  • enuma

    There weren’t any ad hominems, just insults.

  • McAtheist

    If you are getting bad service, leave the restaurant and pay for what you have had to that point. If you haven’t figured out after 20 minutes that you are getting bad service and done something about it, it’s your fault.

  • The Captain

    And you’re a truly conservative example of selfishness ignorance. There is nothing “liberal” in insulting anyone, people from all persuasions do it! See how anyone can play that game? Nice try though.

    I don’t need to know what you’ve seen “your whole life” your claim was about how many signs you saw on your way home, not your whole life. Now I can judge by my life experiences of how many help wanted signs I have seen in various parts of my life and come to the conclusion that your claim of “30 signs” in one trip is bullshit utile you prove otherwise.

    I also like how you have countered not one of the criticism anyone has given you on your economic claims. Just like religious people never acknowledge those parts of their region that falls flat when faced with reality. Libertarianism… the creationism of economics!

  • The Captain

    And you’re a truly conservative example of selfishness ignorance. There is nothing “liberal” in insulting anyone, people from all persuasions do it! See how anyone can play that game? Nice try though.

    I don’t need to know what you’ve seen “your whole life” your claim was about how many signs you saw on your way home, not your whole life. Now I can judge by my life experiences of how many help wanted signs I have seen in various parts of my life and come to the conclusion that your claim of “30 signs” in one trip is bullshit utile you prove otherwise.

    I also like how you have countered not one of the criticism anyone has given you on your economic claims. Just like religious people never acknowledge those parts of their region that falls flat when faced with reality. Libertarianism… the creationism of economics!

  • McAtheist

    Former waiter here, I saw what you wrote but it sounded like this to me:

    The ‘others’ deserve something so I leave less, I am cheap but I can justify it. Because I can’t control what happens to my money after I have given it away and it is no longer mine, I prefer to keep it.

  • enuma

    The hilarious thing about this comment is that it just goes to show that even libertarians know that laissez-faire is bullshit. Society has an agreed upon fair market price for food service: 15-20% of your food bill. Servers get a lower minimum wage based on this agreement. But here you are saying that you won’t participate in this market system unless the government forces you to.

    I love it when libertarians unwittingly defeat their own arguments.

  • McAtheist

    edit: should read *The ‘others’ deserve MORE so I leave less*

  • Cortex_Returns

    Libertarian wit ^

  • Stephen Pollei

    Reservoir Dogs – Tipping Scene

  • TiltedHorizon

    Not knowing the quality of service I’ll grant this cheapo some latitude. What should not be excused was the unnecessary comment on the receipt. Clearly this “morally superior” pastor took enjoyment in adding insult to injury; a zero tip would have been enough of a statement.

  • The Captain

    “Of course such a thing can only exist in socialist hellholes” you mean like most of western Europe. A place thats clean, friendly, has healthcare, low crime, convenient transportation and all the modern tech. Yea, sounds like hell. As opposed to the libertarian paradise of Somalia huh?

  • 3lemenope

    There is something exceptionally perverse about basing your actions on the way you think the world ought to work as opposed to how it currently does. Your argument boils down to: I’m not paying a tip towards a living wage for a service someone has provided me because someone else ought to. And the accompanying whine, which is that all people who point out this is a stupid and harmful way to approach the problem are fascists, is the sort of logic I expect from fourteen-year-olds who are told they can’t have everything they want.

    If you want to change the way that servers are compensated, start a movement, holler for change, lobby for action, be annoying. What’s pathetic about your actions is not that you fuck over the people who are stuck operating in the system you don’t like, but that you feel morally justified in fucking them over simply because the world works in a way that you don’t like and so you’re putting your foot down.

    It’s not libertarianism, it’s petulance. And since acting on that petulance is demonstrably harmful to others and is utterly ineffective at changing what you complain about, I think it an actual public service that people call you out as an asshole for it.

  • Edgar

    I’m not a server, so it’s not my job to change anything, if they don’t like this they’re free to change. I just change things that affect me, so that’s why I don’t tip no matter what all this fascist say.

  • GloomCookie613

    I wish I could like this twice!

  • WoodyTanaka

    You never tip, but you take advantage of the fact that other people do. You, no doubt, don’t spew your right wing bullshit before getting the service. Instead, like a coward, you simply leave after the server had a reasonable expectation of a tip in exchange for good service. If you are not going to tip, then be a man and tell the server upfront.

    So the server gives you good service and you screw them. You take advantage of the fact that other people too. You are a moocher. The worst kind of parasite on society.

  • Jared Gottesman

    I’d like to point out that 18% tip was already included. Pastor just didn’t want to tip more.

  • Edgar

    I paid the price tag, which is what I agreed. But you can only insult me. Too bad we’re not in person, then you could see how much of a coward I am. By the way, you just called all the japanes moochers, because they don’t leave tips too.

  • ArcanRed

    He crossed out the 18% gratuity and didn’t include it in the total.

  • Julie Lada

    *No one* does this. I’m so tired of this urban legend. I’ve worked in some of the worst restaurants, with the lowest income, lowly educated, classless drug addicts you’d ever walk across the street to avoid working the line. No one did this. There was a lot of slamming plates down, swearing, name-calling and throwing of things when a plate got sent back, but no one ever spit in anyone’s food.

  • Renshia

    So, if you feel so justified in being a dick, I imagine you let the server know that there efforts will not be shown the customary compensation before you sit down and order? Right? Or are you a coward as well as a dick?

    That’s the only way your stance has any substance to it any value. If your not upfront then no matter how you slice it your just a dick taking advantage of people.

  • coyotenose

    To buy a starship, duh.

  • David Starner

    There’s no enforceable laws that say they can’t spit in your food, either, and they don’t have to follow your fascist idea that they shouldn’t.

  • GodVlogger (on YouTube)

    And unlike your god (i.e., your church)….
    I (as your server) need some money to pay income taxes.

  • Rich Wilson

    That’s kind of like saying I’m a moocher because I didn’t pay the salesman a tip when I bought my car. The difference is, there is a strong expectation of a tip at a restaurant in the USA. So much so, that the IRS assumes it, and wait staff pay tax on it, whether they get it or not.

    You know that when you walk into a restaurant, the wait staff assume you will tip at least a minimal level so long as they don’t fuck up your order. That you aren’t up front and honest with them doesn’t mean you’re a libertarian, or ‘non-fascist’ or ‘non-liberal’.

    It just means you’re an asshole. A dishonest one.

    That’s all.

    Yes, it’s name calling. There are times for name calling, and this is one of them.

    Lots of libertarians aren’t assholes.

  • 3lemenope

    The way things are is that there is a social expectation of tipping. You don’t like the way things are. You are correct that it isn’t your *job* to change anything, and certainly may refrain from changing anything you don’t like, but in so doing you essentially abrogate your moral right to act contrary to the way things are. Let me be clear: abrogating a moral right simply means you lose the ability to realistically demand that other people grant any respect whatsoever to your actions and decisions on the matter. Much like a person who complains about politics but proudly refuses to participate in politics on any level; that person deserves to merely get ignored, and it doesn’t much matter whether they even have good points. They have decided that they are above the expectations of others, don’t like those expectations, and so shirk them. They don’t get a seat at the table; they get laughed out of the room. Here you are, doing very much the same thing, and whining about all those pesky people around you for daring to point out that that’s a foolish, childish way of approaching the world.

    And, given that you live in a world where people do for each other without being forced by this or that system or structure to do so, because living in a society healthily entails not acting like an asshole even when nobody’s putting a gun to your head to act with minimal decency, it is not fascism to point out that your approach is hideous. The overall happiness or misery of people around you affects you and your life whether you think it does or not; that *you can’t see the connection* between someone else getting screwed and your own well-being is your own rather pathetic incapacity, which is not due respect from anyone else. If everyone acted as you did, life for you (and most others) would quickly become nasty, brutish, and short.

  • 3lemenope

    That’s it in a nutshell.

  • Kevin_Of_Bangor

    You are still supposed to give even if you cannot make your rent or purchase food because in a few days a check will arrive in the mail from a mysterious person for thousands of dollars.

  • Edgar

    you and your little whiny fascist friend already stated that I’m an asshole, and I already stated that i’m proud to be one. So can we return to the present, instead of repeating the same like an scratched disc? so now tow points: typical ‘murican mindset. I don’t live in the USA so i’ts not my case, besides when i go there i already pay taxes so that’s not my problem. Really there’s a whole world out of the big US of A; you should learn that. And second, assumptions don’t work. Unless I sign a legal contract that that says that I must give a ercentage before that there’s no obligation from my part to give more money than what I agreed to give when making a purchase.So there’s nothing dishonest about that.

  • 3lemenope

    Protip: defining fascism down to “people who criticize me for being an ass” simply makes people who know what fascism actually is think you’re a moron.

    And when there exist widely understood expectations surrounding the receipt of a service and you conceal your intent to flout those expectations until after the service the expectation is predicated upon has been rendered, you are indeed both dishonest and a coward.

  • Greg G.

    He still didn’t justify leaving 0%. He could have made the same point with a 9% tip. It appears the good pastor is a stingy prick who gives his 10% grudgingly.

  • WoodyTanaka

    You pay the price tag in a context where a tip for service is the norm, but you-being a deadbeat-stiff the server. And you are a little coward, because you take advantage of the server’s reasonable expectations to get something you don’t pay for, without telling them first so they can treat you as you deserve. (And i’m sure you’re as big a pussy in real life as you are to your servers. Trash like you always is.)
    And no those Japanese who don’t know the custom have an excuse. You don’t. You’re just a parasitic mooch.

  • Edgar

    Well if you are so brave maybe you should defeat me in a fight if you are man enough. Calling someone coward on the internet is more of a pussy behavior than anything. So unless you bring it it on I suggest you to stop whining.

  • Edgar

    Like I explain before there’s no legal agreement that says, and unless you have that there’s no use to complaint. The only rules worth obeying are the legal ones, because those are the only one with real consequences,

  • Miss_Beara

    I wish I lived in a socialist hellhole.

  • Miss_Beara


    definition=a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

    *insert Inigo Montoya comment here*

  • Miss_Beara

    This is true. I am not very chatty but I do appreciate a little small talk, mainly from servers I have seen before. There is a diner I used to go to often and I would usually see the same 3 servers there and if they weren’t busy we would chit chat.

  • guest

    no, the burger is not cheap because the server is not being paid. The owner is earning more money because the server is not being paid. I’m from a country were the server is (normally) paid (or at least gets paid a % based on the restaurants income that night) and may get tip if the guest wants. having the guest pay a % of their bill extra to the server is just plain blackmail (on so many levels, both guest and server) and creates inequality (between servers and between guests) Apart from that debate, that person was simply a douche.

  • guest

    ^^^ this.

  • The Captain

    “fascist”, you use that word a lot, I don’t think it means what you think it means.

    When you grow up and out of your adolescent self centered persecution complex look it up and try to use it properly. Your showing the intellectual depth of Glen Beck, and the undeserved self intitilemt of a spoiled little girl planing her sweet 16 party and how she’s going to march her pony in front of the poor girls to show them she’s better than they are.

  • Mary Driftwood

    I always try to tip at least $5 no matter how little I’ve ordered, and always more on holidays, because there’s a good chance that person would rather be enjoying time with friends and family that serving ungrateful morons.

  • Mary Driftwood

    I had a friend in high school who spit in someone’s milkshake when he was rude to her. Never say never.

  • cr0sh

    Personally, I prefer tipping. Rarely do I ever go below 15%; if the service is fair, and my drink refilled, 20% is what you’ll get from me. On occasion, I have been known to do a 50% tip for excellent service.

  • 3lemenope

    You recognize no obligations outside legal ones because legal obligations are backed by force, and you have the temerity to call *other people* fascists?

    Moving past the part where that’s idiotic, a person can certainly be taken to task for violating non-legal expectations. A person who acts like an asshole is shunned or excoriated. A person who habitually lies is no longer taken seriously when they make claims. A person who manipulates the expectations of their friends for their own benefit or convenience soon ceases to have any. None of these are legal consequences, and yet all of them are real. In this case, the restaurant had a clearly stated policy that group sales would have an automatic 18% gratuity attached to the bill; this person sought to violate that term of service. If I had been the owner, I would have disinvited the group leader from future patronage of my establishment, as would be my right. In that case as well, a non-legal consequence would have been levied, and despite not being a consequence of law, would still have real and tangible effect.

  • Edgar

    Neither of those consequenses are important.Having friends and needing people is overrated; you can live without all of those things. If you want to enforce tip, then put a disclaimer that says that if you eat there it is compulsory to give extra money based on a percentage of what you bought and everything will be perfectly legal. And of course the owner can ban me or anyone he wants; it’s the owner after all, but let’s see how long they las if they ban everyone that doesn’t do the thing as they like to. That’s the beauty of the free market.

  • 3lemenope

    “Having friends and needing people is overrated; you can live without all of those things.”

    I suddenly feel very sad for you.

  • Miss_Beara

    How much do servers earn in a good week?

  • Edgar

    i couln’t agree more with you. Now prepare to face wrath of the tip nazis.

  • Rich Wilson

    I’m not surprised that you can’t see the massive difference between what vexorian said, and what you said.

  • The Captain

    Funny, WoodyTanaka didn’t challenge you to anything physical in any way. “coward” can mean more than just a physical confrontation. But you do seem to have problems with what words mean. Anyway it’s telling you are the first person to bring up a “fight” in this conversation. More proof you little free-market religious freaks are just a bunch of selfish little thugs. And I got news for you, saying someone should “defeat you” in a fight, and should “bring it” on the internet is even more pussy than anything you accuse WoodyTanaka of.

    But hey, for the record, I’ll call you a coward to your face. Hell I’ll say everything I said to you on this forum to your little probably smug face. Next time your in Baltimore just go to the shittiest bars just north and west of the port and ask around, this is the name I go by in real life.

  • Adam Wemp
  • J-Rex

    It’s my pet peeve too, but it’s not right to take it out on people who are trained to do that. I hate having to be fake and cheery so repetitively at my job, but it’s what I’m supposed to do and a lot of people appreciate it. It’s really frustrating when I ask someone if they need help finding anything and they roll their eyes and say “I know what I’m looking for!” “No, thanks” works just fine. People also complain when you don’t greet them or ask if they need help. The servers can’t please everyone, so be patient with them and let them know if you have any preferences.

  • blah

    That’s not Liberal logic though, that’s called common curtesy. Something Kyle clearly doesn’t have.

  • blah

    Is there a point to your comments or do you just like to hear your own cyber-world voice?

  • blah

    YES! I just saw this article on Yahoo! and I thought, I bet $100 it’s on The Friendly Atheist.

    Then I thought, I bet $100 that there’s a reference somewhere to Christians being bad tippers….and there was!

    Keep in mind this is all BEFORE I even clicked over to this website.

    Then I thought surely someone referenced the previous post about Christians not being able to do math and a joke attempt was made by someone referring to that post as the reason the person didn’t tip.

    I lost this bet as I searched the comments section, no such reference was made.
    With guessing before looking at the website, I would say I didn’t too bad. 2/3. That’s like 50% right?

  • Kat Claxton

    The apostles gave their teachings and Jesus gave his life. Jesus teaches about giving. The key word is give. This paster clearly is not in the right mode of thinking.

  • RobMcCune

    As of now vexorian’s comment has been up for eight hours and the only person who has tried to prove a point with it is you. Really makes you think about who’s taking it to far.

    Well it really makes me think, might not phase someone who yells “NAZIS!!1!11!” at the drop of a hat.

  • RobMcCune

    Not quite, libertarians love to argue that the government should do X instead of Y when they don’t believe in either. The government should do X instead of Y and nothing instead of X, both are true without contradiction.

  • wmdkitty

    Cue George Carlin…

  • RobMcCune

    Team America World Police is his definition of profound.

  • Nate Frein

    I don’t believe I’ve ever been to a restaurant where the service was actually so shitty that not leaving a tip would be acceptable. I have simply never seen it. If the server gets the food to my table and doesn’t mess up the order (or doesn’t take it back if it wasn’t cooked how i wanted — like getting scrambled eggs instead of over-medium) then I really don’t care if ze was brusque or inattentive…they did the bare minimum so they deserve to get the tip because their wages are based on the assumption of my tip.

    For me to not tip at all I think I would have to have had such horrible service that I would be willing to walk out without finishing the meal or paying, and that would require such a high level of incompetence on the entire staff that I really think it’s a non-issue…

    But really. I eat out generally at least once every one or two weeks. My wife and I enjoy trying different restaurants. And I have never, in five years, had such horrible service that not leaving a tip was appropriate.

  • RobMcCune

    But, but it’s fascism when it’s against him.

  • Aspieguy

    I do have to know. Is the tip 15%, 18%, or 20%? I want to tip the correct amount and not cheat the wait staff.

    I have heard from several servers how much they dislike the after church crowd. because they are notorious for not tipping.

    I tip my barber 20%. I go to a Sports Clips that specializes in mens haircuts.

    My son used to work at a Texas Roadhouse, and he explained the tipping process to me. I thought the server got all the tip, but that wasn’t true.
    This pastor is a douchebag.

  • RobMcCune

    Dude, it’s like thirty, not like exactly thirty, it could be all kinds of numbers.

  • Rich Wilson

    And it wasn’t even in the US. I’m guessing Mexico. So, who knows?

  • RobMcCune

    It’s not libertarianism, it’s petulance.

    Agreed, if he’s old enough to vote he’s too old to act like this. If he’s not just “doin it 4 teh lulz”.

  • wmdkitty

    Eh, I figure aim for 20%.

  • Andrew Pfaff

    I have to play devil’s advocate. The lame tithing excuse aside, I would be kind of offended reading that as well. It is basically making you pay an 18% tip. Even if I want to pay more than that I think it is rude to tell me how much I should tip.

  • rlrose328

    No, you are reading more into my answer than I said. I was answering the post stating that if the service is poor, he will not leave ANY tip. I was saying I leave one even if the service is poor because there are more people that the tip goes to than just the server. IF I were allowed to specify AND the service is terrible AND the food is excellent (it has to be pretty bad for me to leave a low tip), then it would be nice to specify that more of the tip would go to those who did a good job. It is not due to being “cheap,” but it IS a matter of rewarding good food and good service when and where it is deserved.
    I do get what you’re saying, though, and I see your point. In my defense, I’m not mathy… the distributive property didn’t even entire my mind until I saw your post.
    I don’t feel compelled to tip a mandatory amount because I tip very well, always 20% and most of the time, more, and I prefer to tip higher for those who deserve the extra based on their work and talent in the service they have performed on my behalf.

  • Agrajag

    Makes me glad I live in a predominantly non-tipping culture. Tipping rewards sociopaths: it makes eating out cheaper for the arseholes, while making it slightly more expensive for decent folks.

    I very rarely tip here in Norway (and you’re very rarely expected to), but as you say, the income is setup differently: when a server earns $20/hour he don’t need tips.

  • rev_colleen

    I have gotten 2 similar tips. One was a bible from a table of 6 nuns. The other looked like a folded $20 bill but when you opened it it said “disappointed? You wouldn’t be if you knew the love of Jesus”. Both were ludicrous for all of the reasons that you stated above.

  • mk

    xtians are aholes

  • Aspieguy

    That sounds good. I’ve usually tipped 15%, but maybe that’s too low. I rarely get bad service wherever I go. I’ve always gotten decent service at Appleby’s, Cracker Barrel, and Texas Roadhouse.

  • David Starner

    But in the US in many places, often making more in tips then in wages is horrible; your $2.13 an hour wages + often more then that still adds up to less then $7.25 an hour minimum wage.

    If groups would reliably tip well, this practice would stop. So long as large groups don’t pay their fair share, they’ll get tip added on.

  • Good and Godless

    The church gives this “pastor” a net 90%.

  • Houndentenor

    I don’t know what is “socialist” about common decency. But I do know that there is a medical diagnosis for someone who lacks empathy and compassion for others. I suppose I can’t force you to tip, but I can call you out on being a douchebag and I have. And I’d do it in person if I saw you doing this in a restaurant. Tipping is not optional.

  • Jan Kafka

    “The “good reverend” is an asshole. Period.”

    In my experience, the vast majority of them are.

  • RobertoTheChi

    You’re a real peach aren’t you?

  • The Other Weirdo

    What does God need with a 10% tithe?

    Ah, Star Trek, you old rascal. How useful are your quotes.

  • The Other Weirdo

    Okay, let’s not go overboard. We don’t know that it was a meal for 1 person. Let’s blame people for the bad behaviour we can see, not the sins we’re imagining they’re committing. I leave that sort of thing to religious people.

  • The Other Weirdo

    Okay, maybe the point was that adults don’t do this. Highschool kids are generally stupid, if memory serves.

  • The Other Weirdo

    Ah, actually, that’s probably grounds for closing the place down for health reasons.

  • CultOfReason

    Question:I give God 10% why do you get 18

    Answer: Because I’m real. God isn’t.

  • bsoist

    I know people who tip like this. When I eat with them, I leave another tip.

    I tip generously, I think everyone should, and I’ve written about both before. This bothers me on so many levels.

    1. You give your church 10% of your entire income ( if you are doing what you say ). This is 18% of one meal. Do the math, dummy!

    2. Many pastors I know have their tithe taken directly out of their paycheck. They might not actually be as faithful, if they had to do like regular people.

    3. I am not making any kind of judgments here, but you could make the argument that pastors don’t really tithe at all just like government employees don’t really pay tax. ( again, not making a value judgement – just talking about the math)

    4. PLEASE don’t blame your stinginess on your faith. Just tip poorly and be done with it. This is like people who pass out religious propaganda instead of Halloween candy.

    I could go on, but I’ve used up enough of your time.

  • bsoist

    That’s exactly right.

  • bsoist

    so take out gluttony – still 4 out of 7

  • bsoist

    My standard tip is about 25% and I’m sure to make it at least 20% of the total including drinks. I very rarely go as high as 50 unless the total bill is less than $20. To me, there is a standard “fee” for using up a server’s time – especially in a place where I probably should have spent more.

  • Jared Gottesman

    Did not notice that. Faith in humanity unrestored.

  • bsoist

    I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately. We’ve eaten in countries where tipping is discouraged and we come out ahead – even though the food is more expensive. I like the idea of tipping, but those of us that are generous tippers are subsidizing the deadbeats – and sometimes getting bad service as a result. We avoid mainstream type restaurant chains because the service is **usually** so poor. I think servers are being trained by poor tippers. It’s a shame.

  • M. Elaine

    Consumerist reports that Chelsea (the server) was fired as demanded by the pastor who caught wind of her post.

  • Gus Snarp

    It certainly looks like he was trying not to pay the automatic gratuity. The restaurant faces a choice: charge the gratuity to the card so the servers get their tips, or not charge it and not have to deal with an irate customer later, who can probably just call the credit card company and say they never authorized it and the credit card company may take some action based on that. In all likelihood they wouldn’t charge it, but it could depend on who was running the charge or when it was run.

  • Gus Snarp

    Looks like the waiter got no tip. Unless someone in the party was like me in a similar situation and dropped some cash on the table once the pastor was out of sight.

  • Bad Bob

    I’ll take that bet. Jerry Falwell comes to mind. :)

  • Rich Wilson

    Wow. That is an utterly flabergastingly stupid PR move by Applebee’s.

  • Thackerie

    You never met my Cousin Larry. When he was a waiter, he routinely spat (and worse) on the orders of anyone who pissed him off. He always called it, “Secret Sauce.”

  • Gus Snarp

    Judging from the Reddit comments, the original image post apparently included that Pastor’s name, causing the Redditors to try to find him through the magic of the internet. Chelsea realized that could be a huge problem and asked them to stop, and, I assume, changed the image to one with his name cropped out.

    That original image was not a best effort to protect everyone’s identity. Had there been no identifying information originally I would say she should not be fired and the pastor was revealing himself to be a bigger dick than ever. But that’s not the case. His name was there, and that’s the kind of Internet mistake that does get you fired.

    If you can’t understand why Applebee’s would rather lose a dedicated server than an angry customer when unemployment is high, then you just don’t understand the business Applebee’s is in. This is particularly true when you have publicly outed a customer online for nothing more than a written temper tantrum over a gratuity. Even though I agree he was a dick and was wrong not to tip and to leave that note, putting his name on Reddit was not a smooth move and was a fireable offense, whether it’s in the manual or not.

  • Gus Snarp

    I don’t know, if a Reddit mob found this guy and started harassing him, then how would you feel about being an Applebee’s customer and trusting the wait staff with your personal information?

  • Matthew Tanner

    I’d like to go into his church and put a note into the collection plate indicating that “I don’t tithe because I have to tip in excess of 18% in lieu of your cheap pastor.”

  • Gus Snarp

    And apparently the Pastor felt she had been outed enough that she needed to do an interview to tell her side of the story. If you believe the bit about leaving a six dollar cash tip after writing that note, I’ve got some prime ocean front property to sell you.

  • America

    Go fuck yourself.

  • America

    You are having others subsidize you. Way to miss the fucking boat on that one.

  • tsh1971

    It seems standard at restaurants (or at least casual serve style) to add an 18% tip to the bill for parties of a certain size. I can’t think of a single casual service restaurant chain that doesn’t have this policy. It is always printed clearly on the menu.

  • Arthur Byrne

    Most major restaurants have printed on the menu that a mandatory minimum service charge applies for tables with parties over a certain size (usually about six, I think eight at Applebees), even if checks are split out.

  • Darrell Ross

    Many of us who tip well probably relied on tips at one point. I worked graveyard dish and counter for two years at a cafe.

    I tip 20% standard and will drop as low as 10% if the service was pretty bad. No tip is simply evil.

    I will also leave a huge tip if the service was amazing.

  • Arthur Byrne

    15% used to be the norm, but one-part-in-six is easier to calculate manually, and seems de-facto standard aside from senior citizens. 20% is slightly generous, but fairly common among younger folk. Higher tip rates still (one-in-four or one-in-tree) are very common with people who once worked a tipped position, have moved on to more gainful employ, but still remember their subsistence days.

    Anything much over one-part-in-three is usually that either you personally know the server, a signal you’re highly attracted to the server, an apology for being a really rotten customer, or celebrating hitting the PowerBall.

  • Arthur Byrne

    When the restaurant includes in the menu that there is a mandatory tip for parties above a certain number, effectively, yes, you legally must, just as you must pay the prices on the menu for the food.

    However, you’re welcome to try to avoid such restaurants. Good luck with that.

  • Arthur Byrne

    Generally, if the service is bad enough to consider tipping anywhere below 15%, you should probably be asking to talk to a manager before you leave.

  • Rich Wilson

    I did a 400% once, but it’s because I showed up at the only place to eat next to the motel just as they were closing. I was jet lagged, starving, and had a job interview the next morning.

  • Arthur Byrne

    The one time I did decline to tip was because of exactly that level of horrible. Specifically, the food was amazingly inedible (the broiled salmon still frozen inside, yet the broccoli cooked to mush), and the meal service terrible. The only redeeming virtue was the manager, who when we detailed all the reasons why we were stiffing him on the bill, then voluntarily comped the meal, and offered both to pick up our check wherever else we went that night and give us a meal on the house the next time we were there. (We politely declined, and haven’t gone back.)

  • Neil

    Service in the US is over the top, obsequious, and fake-friendly. I can’t stand being pestered while eating by a waiter asking for the tenth time “everything okay over here?” … “yes it was fine 2 minutes ago and it’s still fine, now bugger off and let me eat!”

    In Britain the service is abysmal in the opposite direction. Sometimes I feel like I should stand on my chair and yell “will somebody please bring me my sodding bill???”

    The best service I’ve had has been in Japan. Often there is a wireless call button on your table, just press it and somebody will be there in 2 seconds flat to attend to your needs. Then they leave you alone to enjoy your meal in peace. Perfect.

  • Neil

    Service in the US is over the top, obsequious, and fake-friendly. I can’t stand being pestered while eating by a waiter asking for the tenth time “everything okay over here?” … “yes it was fine 2 minutes ago and it’s still fine, now bugger off and let me eat!”

    In Britain the service is abysmal in the opposite direction. Sometimes I feel like I should stand on my chair and yell “will somebody please bring me my sodding bill???”

    The best service I’ve had has been in Japan. Often there is a wireless call button on your table, just press it and somebody will be there in 2 seconds flat to attend to your needs. Then they leave you alone to enjoy your meal in peace. Perfect.

  • Arthur Byrne

    And $6 is still a few cents short of the 18%.

  • Arthur Byrne

    Actually, “find her”.

  • Arthur Byrne

    Actually, “find her”.

  • Nate Frein

    I’m sure it happens. All I’m saying is that it takes almost an effort on the part of the whole staff to be bad.

    If you’re willing to sit an eat the meal, you need to pay for it. And tipping is part of that price.

  • Trekkie

    “Why does ‘God’ need a starship?”

  • WoodyTanaka

    Okay. Come to the parking lot at the corner of South St. and East Lombard St. in Baltimore, Md. tomorow at noon. After you are defeated, you can go to the aquarium.

  • andreasma

    BREAKING NEWS: Applebees fired the waitress that took and posted the photo, after Bell, the pastor complained! First the pastor stiffed the waitress, then the pastor got the waitress fired for revealing it to the world.

    Fund drive for the waitress? Anyone?

  • anniewhoo

    From the Reddit comments, I was under the impression that the group check for 20 was split into individual checks (as the customers hoped to avoid the mandatory gratuity for large parties). Through the update, we learn that the restaurant was Applebee’s. I never eat there, but it only took me a few minutes online to learn that their most expensive dish is $17.49. Assuming one person ordered the most expensive item on the menu, they still would have had to order other items as well. I think from the evidence available, we can keep gluttony on the list.

  • Gus Snarp

    Yes. I leave it as an exercise to determine whether my sexist assumption was that people in power (pastors) are men, or that assholes are men.

  • Fair is fair

    Boycott Applebee’s! They can keep that customer and lose others!

  • LesterBallard

    The worthless fuck pastor had the waitress fired;

    I hope her fucking church burns to the ground. Not arson; I just hope it burns.

  • wmdkitty

    Never. Eating. At Applebee’s. Again.

  • Lewis Thomason

    Actually the pastor,if full time, gets 100% of her pay from the other peoples tithe not from her own giving. Why is she stealing from god?

  • Jan Kafka
  • Georgina

    Correction, there is tipping in Europe generally, usually 10%. Just it is not pre-printed on the bill, and – as far as I know – rarely shared with the kitchen staff. Sometimes a hotel will add a 15% service charge, but then that goes to the hotel.
    Actually, worse is when people leave without paying, the server then has to make up the money. One bad party and the server pays the restaurant for the privilege of working. It’s an awful job.

  • Georgina

    Just round it up, saves the server making change, saves you arithmetical problems. On a $34 bill, you round up to $40. whatever that is in %.

  • Antonio

    Cheap ass people. Stay home if you can’t afford to go out and eat.

  • My God Supplies All My Needs

    It was JESUS’ pleasure to serve even unto death. And YES, He left us all a BIG tip. Go and do likewise (die to SELF, don’t grumble and complain, look to God as your source of all things, NOT man).

    I’ve waited tables too and was grateful for EVERY penny I earned. If someone DID NOT tip I would either think they couldn’t afford it, forgot, or I just didn’t do as good of a job as I should have. This entitlement mentality has got to stop. If you don’t like the way restaurants pay, please find another occupation.

    FYI: I tip very well and go above and beyond when I receive good service.

  • My God Supplies All My Needs

    It was JESUS’ pleasure to serve even unto death. And YES, He left us all a BIG tip. Go and do likewise (die to SELF, don’t grumble and complain, look to God as your source of all things, NOT man).

    I’ve waited tables too and was grateful for EVERY penny I earned. If someone DID NOT tip I would either think they couldn’t afford it, forgot, or I just didn’t do as good of a job as I should have. This entitlement mentality has got to stop. If you don’t like the way restaurants pay, please find another occupation.

    FYI: I tip very well and go above and beyond when I receive good service.

  • Hypatia Leigh

    Look up the defintion of ‘passive agressive’. The pastor directly and calmly stated her postion – nothing passive nor agressive.

    Look up the definition of ‘tip’. It is a chosen show of appreciation for SERVICE. It is illegal to require a custormer to show appreciation – esp for horrible service.

    Read a bible. MANY verses (old and new testament) show the definition of tithing as ten percent of all wordly goods are the Lord’s (God’s). Not a church. MOST people give monies to various organizations that help human needs/suffering – not churches.

    This writer is a complete crock.

    I also had numerous food service/bartending jobs as I paid for my college educations. Now as a physician, I’m very generous with tipping after QUALITY SERVICE. Those entitled, lazy, mornic snots who would attack me by trying to shame me would not only get zero ‘tip’ (appreciation of service) but I would demand a full refund of my product and easily distribute proof of the poor service to my few thousand colleagues/friends/family to warn them to avoid their service.

    It is illegal to fire an employee who was exercising her 1st amendment rights. It is OBVIOUSLY clear that this ‘server’ had extremely poor work and attitude qualities and deserved to be fired.

    A tip is NEVER NEVER NEVER “expected”. If servers aren’t getting enough money to pay bills, then this should be addressed with only the employer payscale and the servers work quality. If one doesn’t like the work or pay from thier job, then quit and find something else. Every server knows that their job is not always high paying and some customers are not good tippers. NEVER require others to give you anything for free.

    Pathetic ‘server’. Pathetic article without facts. Perhaps this ‘journalist’ should return to waiting tables.

  • wmdkitty

    You are a moron.

  • JorgeL4444

    The cheapskate is using his imaginary friend as an excuse to not tip his waitress.

  • The Captain

    I love how it’s the two of us people from Baltimore who looked at Outcast Kyle’s veiled threats and said all right lets go.

  • cappytanjack

    And this is what happens when you add the idiocy of religion to any facet of real life. Clearly this god-fearing excuse for a human being would rather hide behind religion for his cheap behaviour than engage with a manager and explain why he will not be tipping. Gutless wonder! Yet his church that doesn’t pay any taxes still expects the fire department to respond to a fire at said church when and if it catches fire. A true blasphemy for sure!



  • David Starner

    So as a physician you don’t object to people who refuse to pay you and quote lines about God to justify it? It was printed on her check; why should people be any slower to go in and cross out the doctor’s charge then the waiter’s charge? Whatever you say about the waiter’s service, I’ve never had the type of life-detrimental effects from the service of waiters that I’ve had from the service of doctors.

  • Jim Stitzel

    That’s fine when the bill is $34. It’s less fair when it comes to, say, $39. I’d rather just do the math and then be a little extra generous. These people work hard in what is basically a thankless job. I think that’s worth a little effort on my part to make sure they’re adequately compensated.

  • Ian

    Blah. Christians are fucking pigs.

  • Former Waitress

    Anyone who is reading this and thinking this is a good way to get back at a rude guest:

    Tampering with food is, at least in some states, ILLEGAL. As in, a couple of kids actually got ARRESTED for tampering with someone’s food. I think they even got jail time.

    At the very least, it will get you fired. And it’s very hard to find employment if you were sacked from your last job for tampering with the guests.

    So, unless you want to share a jail cell with a 280-pound drug lord who insists on calling you Phyllis, I would find another way to vent your frustrations with rude customers.

  • Former Waitress

    No, she crossed out the auto-grat and just authorized the pre-autograt price. Then she tops it off with a douchy comment.

    Personally, I think this would fall under a theft-of-service clause. But that’s just me.