Christian Bigot: If the Boy Scouts Allow Gay Leaders, Kids Will Get Molested

Greg Quinlan, president of Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX), doesn’t like the proposal currently under consideration by the Boy Scouts of America that individual troops could decide whether or not to allow gay leaders and members.

Greg Quinlan

Why doesn’t he like it? Because [insert all sorts of homophobic statements here]:

Boy Scouts leaders are exactly that — leaders. Boys watch them very closely. Boys also look up to older Boy Scout members and want to imitate them and follow their examples. Boys at that stage of maturity emulate male role models. A homosexual who gently eases boys and young men into exposure of homosexuality by his own personal example promotes homosexual behavior as normal, natural and healthy. This paves the way for youth to question their own sexuality and be affirmed into homosexuality. Promoting homosexuality to youth is also a political ploy to further homosexual approval.

My own sexual molestation as a youth was a contributing factor to my homosexual behavior as I got older. I left homosexuality only when I saw over 100 of my friends die of AIDS. I regret all those years of living homosexually — time wasted when I could have been dating and experiencing a relationship with a woman, gotten married, and raised children together. But sexual molestation and homosexuality raped me of those precious years, which should have been the best years of my life.

In short: Quinlan hates himself for being gay, so he’s going to make life as difficult as possible for all other gay people. It begins by promoting this idea that being gay is anything but normal, natural, or healthy.

He also insinuates that a gay troop leader will spend time at meetings exposing kids to homosexuality, which couldn’t be further from the truth. The problem is that troop leaders are being kicked out for the “crime” of being gay, even though their volunteering has nothing to do with their sexuality.

Quinlan also believes that exposure to homosexuality somehow turns kids gay. In other words, he really believes you can catch The Gay.

In Quinlan’s letter to the BSA decision makers, he makes this awkward plea:

I, too, was one of those nice gays. But I was also one of those nice children who was molested. Please do without some corporate funding if you must, cut your budget and protect the children in your care. One case of child sexual molestation is one case too many.

Because, in his mind, if you allow gay troop leaders, scout meetings will just become a giant molest-fest.

This is the sort of bigotry that the rest of us are trying to eradicate. The Boy Scouts of America can do their part by ignoring this level of crazy.

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  • David McNerney

    Strange that homosexuals dying from AIDS leads him to reject his personal homosexuality – but his new found heterosexuality is unaffected by the similar numbers of heterosexuals dying of the same disease.

    Unless, of course, that’s just an excuse to justify his self-loathing bigotry.

    • TheG

      You know what I found odd? I didn’t have a hundred friends when I was younger. I don’t have 100 friends now.

      I think he is lying to us, the BSA, and himself.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

        That jumped out at me as well and I had a very active social life in my late teens early 20′s. I had a lot of friends in the ice skating community. Between the different rinks I knew at least 100 people and considered a large amount of them good friends and the few that where gay never contracted or died from AIDs.

      • Mario Strada

        I knew scores of gay people in my 20′s. Both my wife and I were and are in the arts. We did loose one friend to aids. One friend out of hundreds of friends and acquaintances, many of whom were gay. But even then, of all the people we knew and frequented, no more than five or 6 were gay. This was in San Francisco in the 80′s, by the way, not El Paso Texas or someplace in Alabama.

    • blah

      What “numbers” are we discussing exactly? If it’s %’s, then there’s no way the numbers are similar. If we’re talking about raw incidents that are reported and you say the #’s are similar, doesn’t that automatically mean the the % is sky high for homosexuals since the number of homosexuals is small compared to heterosexuals?

  • Realist

    Sadly, this is true. Of course, just as sadly, if the BSA does not allow gay leaders, kids will still get molested.

  • C Peterson

    Pretty awful to think that a gay kid might possibly be exposed to a gay role model, and be able to grow up comfortable with his homosexuality. Why would the BSA want to be associated with something like that?

    The BSA doesn’t seem to be a very friendly place for gays- either as scouts or as leaders- but it’s a damn fine destination for pedophiles.

    • fin312

      Are you off your rocker dude! Would you want your 8,9,10 etc. year old boy showering with a known gay leader? You are trying to tell me these leaders being exposed to young male genitals is not going to arouse them?

      • RobMcCune

        Is your basis for saying that being aroused by 8,9,10 year old girls?

        • fin312

          Give me some credit Rob, Throw in at least ages where pubes start sprouting. My basis a….hole was at 9 years old I had things done to me that didn’t have names for it. I begged my father not to take me anymore. overnight camping was an overnight flying dna fest for them. Does that answer your question f…….kface?

          • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

            Wow, so just because one heterosexual male assaulted you, you assume that all gay men are pedophiles?

            You’re a fucking troll, you’re a liar, and you can go fuck yourself.

            • fin312

              This troll shit is getting old! can’t you come up with a $5.75 word? Did you at least finish 12 grades? also where did I say all gay men are pedophiles? and should be shunned by society for that matter? you sound like you’re having a period here? Can I get you some Summers Eve Strawberry scented maybe?

              • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                Oooh, misogyny, too!

                Fuck off, troll.

          • RobMcCune

            Give me some credit Rob, Throw in at least ages where pubes start sprouting.

            I see so you have less of problem when the child is going through puberty or your joking about child molestation. Either way add scumbag to your resume right next to bigot.

            Interesting you think it’s a joke before telling a story about your supposed trauma in an attempt to shout me down, and get at “get out of bigotry free” card. Either way you have no excuse for bigotry against an entire group of people, when all the while married heterosexuals are raping children at boyscout camp.

            • fin312

              But it was ok to joke about me liking 8,9,10yr old girls. If you people don’t think gay counselors aren’t going to bang young kids in the chocolate starfish you are all f….king morons!!! before you all begin with your obstinate ramblings why don’t you all get a psychiatrists take on this.

              • RobMcCune

                But it was ok to joke about me liking 8,9,10yr old girls.

                Wasn’t a joke, it was a serious question to make the point that not all adults are aroused by children. Of course I’m not surprised you’re too thick to understand.

                If you people don’t think gay counselors aren’t going to bang young kids in the chocolate starfish you are all f….king morons!!!

                And I’m supposedly the one throwing out “obstinate ramblings”? You’ve got nothing to back that up but your own bigotry and you know it. Then again with you’re pervy jokes about middle schoolers I can’t be sure you’re not projecting.

                before you all begin with your obstinate ramblings why don’t you all get a psychiatrists take on this.

                You’re clearly a bigot who’s fixated on butt sex maybe you’re the one who needs to talk to a psychiatrist.

                • fin312

                  I do, every 8 weeks or so I need a tune up, you see you never get over it you learn to live with it. You are funny though. Someone with Downs syndrome would understand what i put out there. It would be like putting a dog and a cat in the same room, what will happen 75ish% of the time?

                • RobMcCune

                  Yeah, your bullshit is easy to see through, you think gay people are subhuman animals who will have sex with anything and have no self control, morals, or concern for children. You think that because you are a vile, prejudiced, hateful person. Repeat your stupid tropes all you like, you’ve done nothing to prove that homosexuals are mindless sex fiends. Declaring it obvious really shows is what a moron you are. I bet you’re one of those middle aged overweight bald guys who thinks every gay man is out to have sex with him.

                • fin312

                  So you must speak through experience! You are awfully defensive.

            • fin312

              You people shouldn’t be using the term bigot much, when a vast majority of you all say jeebus,skyfairy etc.etc. that term is also getting to much wear and tear on this site.

          • Thegoodman

            So because you were the victim of molestation, you assume that all gay men are sexual predators and they should be shunned from society?

      • Thegoodman

        Wait…what STRAIGHT scout leader showers with little boys? That is inappropriate in all cases, sexuality be damned.

        Also, the implication that (as others have pointed out) that all adult homosexuals are in fact closeted child molesters is beyond insulting.

        Your logic implies that YOU are in fact attracted to 8,9,10, etc.. yr old girls. That is not normal nor is it OK. Get help from a professional before you hurt someone.

  • TheG

    So… allowing gay scout leaders will cause kids to be molested? As evidence, he was molested at a time that gay people weren’t allowed to be scout leaders?

    Sounds to me that his experience shows why there should be less heterosexual leaders.

  • Bdole

    I think he’s confusing “gay” with “priest.”

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      80% of the abuse in the CC scandal was of a homosexual nature and a significant number was by homosexual priests. Father Paul Shanley: homosexual activist and a monstrous homosexual abuser at the same time.

  • http://twitter.com/jordan_olsen26 Jordan Olsen

    The classic misconception that being gay is somehow synonymous with being a pedophile. Children can’t be molested now by “straight” scout leaders that are actually pedophiles?

    And while this may seem like a step in the right direction, the BSA is still allowing local troops to discriminate if they so choose. Also, I have seen nothing to suggest that the BSA is interested in changing its stance on discriminating against atheists.

  • Blacksheep

    I have a (hopefully) less obnoxious question about the same, and please know that this is a sincere question:

    I am not a child molester. However, It is not considered appropriate for me to take a group of Girl Scouts on a camping trip, simply because I am a male. And I think I agree with that. I wouldn’t want my daughters going camping with an adult male (unless of cousre I know them, or it’s a friend). As a simple rule to avoid any trouble, it makes sense. The same goes, in reverse, for a woman leading a Boy Scout camping trip. Odds are it’s fine, but not a bad rule to have.
    And there’s only one reason that these rules exist: Possible sexual attraction that could possibly lead to something bad happening.

    So if that’s indeed the reason (I can’t think of another one, other than role model) then shouldn’t the same apply to a gay leader taking same sex kids on a an overnight?

    • Daniel_JM

      If you really don’t understand the difference between pedophilia and homosexuality then you are amazingly ignorant. I’m not going to take people’s rights away simply because you don’t know how to operate a dictionary.

      • icecreamassassin

        Don’t jump down Blacksheep’s throat too hard – the question he proposes has some merit. He isn’t missing the distinction between pedophilia and homosexuality; rather, he is lumping all people with a sexual attraction of a given gender to be at a greater statistical risk of engaging in pedophilia. Or rather, from a large sample set, if you were to pick random people to lead a Girl Scout troop, the risk that you’ve accidentally picked a pedophile that would put the troop at risk is *higher* if you limit the selection pool to those that are attracted to the female gender rather than limiting the selection pool to those that are not attracted to the female gender.

        I disagree with Blacksheep, insofar as I would not feel uncomfortable with a Girl Scout troop being led by a heterosexual male, a homosexual female, or all sexualities in between because a leader needs to be a responsible adult – sexuality has no bearing in light of that requirement. The risk and proclivity towards pedophilia is independent of sexuality.

        But the question still has merit – *if* someone feels uncomfortable with, say, their daughter being involved with a troop that has a heterosexual male leader, should they not also feel uncomfortable, for the same reasons, with having a homosexual female scout leader? I disagree that they should feel uncomfortable in the first place, but that’s me.

        • Blacksheep

          Thank you icecreamassassin, for actually reading my post!

        • Daniel_JM

          If you did feel uncomfortable with a lesbian Girl Scout leader then I would label you a bigot. Obviously you aren’t, so I don’t know why you are defending Blacksheeps ignorance. If he can’t tell the difference between being attracted to adults of the same gender with someone who want to abuse kids then I feel sorry for him. Most pedophiles don’t identify as gay or lesbian, because beig gay or lesbian has nothing to do with abusing kids.

          • icecreamassassin

            I wouldn’t say that I’m defending Blacksheep’s ignorance – I’m defending the validity of asking the question. And I think the answer to the question – that sexuality and predatory behavior are unrelated – is a valid answer. I’m not excusing the ignorance, but rather I’m attempting to explain it. When I say that the question has merit, I guess what I mean is that it is not outside expectation for me to hear someone ask that question without understanding that they are implicitly linking homosexuality with pedophilia.

            I just think it was fine for Blacksheep to ask the question without being accused of ‘amazing ignorance’. Ignorant, yes. Amazing? The societal expectation that “It is not considered appropriate for me to take a group of Girl Scouts on a camping trip, simply because I am a male.” is enough evidence to suggest that such ignorance of the distinction between sexuality and child predation is *not* a rarity in our society.

            Use of the word ‘ignorant’, I think, was fine for you to use. The injection of the modifier ‘amazingly’ is what compelled me to respond with a “don’t be so harsh” trope.

            Out of curiosity, would you label people uncomfortable with a heterosexual male Girl Scout leader to also be a bigot? Society seems to indicate no, but I lean towards yes, that is a bigoted position. Thoughts?

            • Mattir

              Actually, we quit Girl Scouts in part because of their extremely aggravating and discouraging attitude towards involvement by male siblings and parents. And the fact that the outdoor component of all the troops we tried was minuscule compared to what my boy twin got in Boy Scout programs. We tagged along with his troop as best we could until she was old enough to join Venturing Scouts, and now she’s been doing that for years and has scouting spirit and experience to treasure.

          • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

            Wrong – a significant number of abusers, molesters, and exploiters of teenage males are homosexual or bisexual.

            • Daniel_JM

              You are clueless. Pedophiles abuse children, and the overwhelming majority are not “homosexuals or bisexuals”. You are either lying or ignorant, and are buying into the lies and false statistics of bigots.

              • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                No, I’m not clueless. And half of teenagers are not considered “children” by age of consent laws. And there is a serious problem of abusers, molesters, and exploiters concerning all ages of adolescence.

                You have no stats to begin with.

                • http://twitter.com/InMyUnbelief TCC

                  You haven’t provided any stats for your claim that “a significant number of abusers, molesters, and exploiters of teenage males are homosexual or bisexual,” so why don’t you go first?

      • Blacksheep

        i 100% did not say there was any connection. Please re-read my post.

        • Daniel_JM

          BS. You assume that homosexuals are attracted to children, which either shows your bigotry or ignorance.

          • coyotenose

            No, that’s not where he was going with that. He’s just wrong in that he equates fear of homosexuals molesting children to fears of heterosexual adults molesting children. The pedophilia rate is almost identical among groups, but homosexuals are routinely libeled as pedophiles and as sexually aggressive and uncontrolled without evidence. This is akin to the notion that black men need to be watched out for lest they rape white women. In each case, the subgroup is demonized and thus harmed in a way that the majority group is not.

          • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

            Homosexuals, bisexuals, and heterosexuals abuse and exploit and traffic juveniles.

            And homosexuals, bisexuals, and heterosexuals cover up abuse to serve their self-interest and, in your case, your little homosexual agenda.

            Welcome to reality.

            • RobMcCune

              Welcome to reality.

              Says the raving lunatic.

              • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                Project much?

            • Daniel_JM

              You are clueless. I’m a straight, married guy, what is my ‘homosexual agenda?’ Just because I want equality for all my fellow citizens doesn’t mean I have some evil agenda.

              If you want to talk statistics the vast majority of perpetrators of child abuse are males, so if the Boy Scouts’ pathetic excuse for being bigoted was true they should outlaw all male leaders, and just allow women scout leaders. Of course this isn’t about protecting the children, they are just old fashioned bigots. Anyways, as was pointed out, the best way to stop abuse if to do background checks, have training for other leaders to look out for signs of abuse and grooming, and not allow scout leaders to be alone with children, not to discriminate based on false stereotypes.

              • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                The homosexual agenda is the political and cultural movement to
                normalize homosexuality in every aspect of society, by systematically lying about its etiology and consequences, and to criminalize any questioning, differing viewpoints, objections of said homosexual agenda.

                The homosexual agenda (ridiculously called “gay rights movement” and other such euphemistic terms) is part of a larger liberal agenda
                regarding sexuality and personal behaviors (including the endorsement of promiscuity, hook-ups, perverse and perverted attitudes and behaviors related to sex, porn, adultery, abortion, destruction of traditional marriage, STD epidemics, etc.).

                Kids need to be told that if they start to develop psychological
                problems related to sexuality, like homosexuality, they need to
                investigate them and resolve them.

              • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                So you think that homosexual and bisexual men should be alone with boys any time they want? If not, why not?

      • Blacksheep

        Please actually read my note.

    • http://twitter.com/docslacker MD

      Ehem, woman here. Also a Cub Scout leader (not with the BSA). Led boys and girls camping. You know how we avoid any impropriety or appearance thereof?
      1) Have all leaders and volunteers pass a background check
      2) have all leaders take courses on child safety
      3) have more than one leader along in a camping trip

      • Blacksheep

        I realize that. My point is mainly to consider that people may be uncomfirtable with gay leaders not because they are gay, but simply because of the (however slight) possibility of same-sex attraction.

        • coyotenose

          We know that is incorrect because of the major point, that gays are routinely and popularly accused of being pedophiles because they are gay, when the two are not related. They are also accused of being sex fiends who like to corrupt straights, again, based on nothing.

          I know quite a few camp leaders who were opposite gender to some or all of the campers. All they required for reasonable safety was more than one leader, which you should always have anyway.

    • Mattir

      I am a heterosexual woman and a Venturing, Boy and Cub Scout leader. I go camping with scouts, even those who are not my own kids. Amazingly enough, I have never had the opportunity to molest scouts because (get this) I OBEY THE BSA’S EXCELLENT YOUTH PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS. I am NEVER alone one-on-one with a scout, male or female (Venturing is a coed BSA program for teens), out of sight of other scouts and adult leaders. All of my coed scout outings have leaders of both sexes, so that youth are never alone without access to a leader of their sex. I am vigilant about making sure that other leaders (both male and female) are never alone one-on-one with scouts. I enforce the youth buddy rule (that kids need to have a buddy to wander about outside of the designated campsite). I look for signs of grooming behavior, bullying, and cyberstalking. I copy other scout leaders on all electronic communication with youth. I make sure to PLAN scout transportation and activities to make sure that these guidelines are followed. Is it convenient? No. Is it important? Yes, very, and BSA as an organization bears a huge amount of responsibility for the harm caused by not adopting and enforcing such standards much earlier.

      So why precisely SHOULDN’T I keep working with scouts, a program that I treasure, just because I am a heterosexual woman and my kids have almost aged out of youth scouting? For that matter, why shouldn’t my son and my daughter transition into adult leadership roles after they age out of youth participation? Scouting through the BSA has been part of their and my lives for more than 10 years – seems that’s a quite a bit of experience to be tossed away when simply adhering to the simple YPT guidelines would prevent or drastically reduce the chance of predation.

      Also, NO SCOUT TROOP WILL HAVE TO HAVE GAY (OR WOMEN) LEADERS. Get that through your thick heads, conservatives. Organizations that sponsor scout troops have almost complete control over which adults can work as scout leaders. The LDS, for example, currently does not permit women to work as scout leaders and selects its leaders solely from among the members of their church. Many Christian churches do the same.

      ALL THIS CHANGE WILL MEAN IS THAT MY BELIEFS AND VALUES WILL BE RESPECTED AND GIVEN THE SAME DEGREE OF AUTHORITY THAT THOSE OF CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS GROUPS ALREADY RECEIVE.

      • Blacksheep

        I hear you – the discomfort people have is not with the 99% of awesome scout leaders like you, but with the creepy 1% (much less, probably) possibility.

        • Mattir

          In my experience, the creepy scout leaders have been disproportionately straight Christian men. The ones who called my son a faggot for having long hair. The ones who tittered with the scouts over mating beetles at scout camp, calling it “insect pornography.” The ones who made comments about my FIFTEEN YEAR OLD DAUGHTER’S SEXUAL ATTRACTIVENESS because she did not shave her legs, IN FRONT OF THEIR TEENAGE BOY SCOUTS. The one who told her, when she was 12, that she shouldn’t come to her twin brother’s troop meetings because “her body was distracting.” (I did not know of this for several years, or I might have eviscerated the creepoid.)

          Fortunately I am not willinng to cede the BSA and its excellent program to these creeps. Nor should you, but by acknowledging and seemingly supporting the “oh, it’s uncomfortable, scout leaders without children in the troop, same sex attraction, blah, blah, blah”, you give them tremendous power to own scouting.

          Take youth protection, follow the guidelines, and call out the creeps, who are (in my experience) far less than 1% of the adult leaders I’ve run into.

        • Gus Snarp

          OK, so there are several responses where you say you do know the difference between pedophelia and homosexuality, but this comment suggests otherwise, or at least that you’re assuming that other people don’t, and we should just placate them.

          The “1%” are the pedophiles, and they have nothing to do with healthy adult sexuality, whether homosexual, heterosexual, or anything in between.

          I think a lot of people don’t understand this, but I don’t think they should be placated. Instead they should be educated. Not just because of letting gay parents lead their children’s scout groups, or letting gay kids be scouts, but because their ignorance makes their kids less safe. They assume that anybody who seems to them to be a “normal” heterosexual man is safe to have around their kids as long as they keep the gay men away. The truth is the apparently heterosexual man is at least as likely, if not far more so, to be a pedophile as the gay man. The only real protection is in making sure that no child is ever alone with an adult who is not their parent during scouting events. There must always be two adults present, and imagining that apparently heterosexual adults of the same sex are safer leads to complacency.

          The continued belief that adult sexual attraction is related to sexual attraction to children leads not simply to unjust discrimination, but to less safe kids.

    • RobertoTheChi

      You do know the difference between pedophilia and homosexuality, right?

      • Blacksheep

        Not what I said, nor what I implied. (Nor do I believe that).

        • TiltedHorizon

          It may not be what you wanted to imply but it is how it is read.

          • Blacksheep

            Not if you read it!

            • TiltedHorizon

              I read it before I replied to you. As I stated before, it may not be what you wanted to imply but it is how it is read.

    • Gus Snarp

      But males do lead girl scout camp outs. And women do lead boy scout camp outs. Your premise is wrong. The rule, generally, is that you have more than one leader. That’s what prevents trouble. And certainly it’s a good idea to have a same sex adult along simply because one never knows what issues will come up that a boy or girl will need assistance with. Some of that is just about comfort level and privacy issues that really aren’t the same with gay adults, because being the same sex covers a lot of it, contrary to the beliefs of some. But there’s no reason a woman can’t be on a Boy Scout camp out, and they are all the time, and vice versa.

      His comment is also at least as much about older scouts, not just adults. That logic simply doesn’t apply there, yet he’s arguing against them as much as against gay adult leaders.

    • Houndentenor

      Wouldn’t there be more than one adult on such a trip? Either another leader or a parent? And I suspect that most gay men who would do such a job would go out of their way to avoid the appearance of doing anything wrong. I know I would.

    • http://www.facebook.com/brian.westley Brian Westley

      “I am not a child molester. However, It is not considered appropriate for me to take a group of Girl Scouts on a camping trip, simply because I am a male.”

      Sounds like your local GS unit; not all are like that:
      http://girlscoutdads.com/2009/04/26/back-from-another-campout/

    • Bdole

      I don’t know why you got voted down, it’s a reasonable question. My response would be to examine whether the ick-factor in having opposite-sex leaders is really warranted. Pedophilia seems to be its own category of attraction, so I don’t think simply being the opposite sex warrants that level of suspiscion except when the age range becomes borderline. But by then the “kids” are there own persons and can usually fend for themselves. As to whether parents should or should not feel comfortable, it’s obviously not my place to say. I’d feel more safe if there were always more than one adult around regardless of gender/orientation – but I’m paranoid.

      • TiltedHorizon

        With all fairness to Blacksheep, he could ask about the weather and would get voted down.

      • Glasofruix

        You seem to imply that most of people are incapable of self control.

    • Glasofruix

      And let’s just assume that all men are pigs incapable of self control and who jump on every girl whose skirt appears to be a bit too short? That’s what religion teaches you.

      • coyotenose

        NononoNOnono! It’s not that the men are pigs, it’s that the young girls are tempting sluts. The men are fine when their penises aren’t being tempted. Get your projection tropes right, silly!

      • Blacksheep

        Not my religion.

        But OK, if you want to assume that, then all the more reason to have women leading Girl Scout troops.

        • Glasofruix

          Oh for fucks sake i forgot who i was talking to…. As mr coyotenose pointed out, it’s not about men being weak minded serial rapists, it’s about women being sluts and seducing those real christians(tm) with their skirts and whatnot, starting with that whore Eve who tempted Adam into eating a fruit. Rings a bell, does it not?

  • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

    And women are allowed to be scout masters why?

  • A3Kr0n

    This guy doesn’t read the news much about all the abuse in the Boy Scouts. Even if they did let gays in I would still tell them to lump it. The time has past and the crimes have been done. It is time to disband this group of evil.

  • icecreamassassin

    A [person who likes vanilla ice cream] who gently eases boys and young men into exposure of [liking vanilla ice cream] by his own personal example promotes [liking vanilla ice cream] as normal, natural and healthy. This paves the way for youth to question their own [preference of ice cream flavor] and be affirmed into [liking vanilla ice cream].

    • JohnnieCanuck

      A [person of colour] who gently eases [[caucasian]] boys and young men into exposure of [a likable person with a different skin colour] by his own personal example promotes [[racial tolerance]]. See the difference?

      Forgive me if your comment is meant to somehow be a sarcastic criticism. I see it as claiming that changing sexual orientation is as simple as being introduced to a new flavour and switching ones preference to it.

      How bigots can claim that LGBTs are making a choice, given the penalties imposed on the LGBTs by the bigots and their oppressive laws and religious attitudes, I just don’t understand. It’s almost as if they were lying to justify their hatred.

      • icecreamassassin

        I see where you’re coming from. I didn’t really mean to imply that the choice of sexuality was just as easy as picking ice cream flavors, because I really don’t think it is. But how one deems their sexuality *can* be a choice, and it is a personal choice that is up to the individual. I would *never* advise anyone to betray there natural sexual proclivities, but if they so choose to decide to do such a thing so be it. If a heterosexual male consciously identifies with being a homosexual, then by all means he is free to do so. Seems like a bad idea to me, but beyond explaining to someone why doing such things is ultimately detrimental, I should not have a say in such a personal choice.

        Which why I short-cutted to some lifestyle choices that are ‘preferences’ – to skirt the inevitable “well gayness is a choice that they are making wrong/they should just change their sexuality choice and they’d be just as equal” crap conversations. Because it ultimately DOES NOT MATTER in this situation – the problem isn’t just about sexuality but people being able to BE WHO THEY ARE AND WANT TO BE.

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      Familiar Pattern of Molestation in BSA Files

      Analysis of Boy Scouts’ “Perversion Files” Reveals a Familiar Pattern of Molestation (excerpt) By Jeff Herman

      [****I've made some edits to the original article below*****]

      While there is no single characteristic that can help a person
      identify a pedophile, there are several things pedophiles and others do
      to gradually gain the trust of children and adolescents and their
      families; I like to call them “red flags”. These grooming techniques help the abuser gain access to a child or adolescent and then keep them quiet when abuse occurs.

      Jason Felch, the LA Times reporter who investigated 1,600 of the Boy Scouts’ “perversion files” last month, reported this morning that of the files revealed a pattern of grooming behavior shared by the suspected molesters.

      According to the article, “In hundreds of cases, Scout leaders
      allowed the boys to drive cars, drink alcohol, or look at pornography.
      They gradually tested physical boundaries during skinny dipping, group
      showers, sleepovers, and one-on-one activities.”

      By spending one-on-one time with a boy, giving him gifts, and
      allowing him to break the rules, the pedophile gains the boy’s trust and
      sets a tone of secrecy that will continue throughout the relationship. To outsiders, the abuser seems like a great guy who loves kids or youngsters.

      As the article also points out, after an abuser has gradually tested
      boundaries, they will use a boy’s inebriation from alcohol or their
      arousal from watching pornography as an opportunity to make their move
      and molest the boy or engage in other sexual activities with an
      adolescent.

      For a youngster in these circumstances, it can be even more difficult
      to tell anyone about the abuse because they feel guilty or even
      compliant.

      Jeff Herman: “This is another sad reality that as a sexual abuse
      attorney, I see every day—the most vulnerable part of our population
      tends to be the most victimized by sexual predators.”

  • Gus Snarp

    So when I was a scout there were two leaders I knew personally who were caught abusing boys. I was fortunate enough not to be a victim, but neither of these men was gay. One presented as straight in general, the other was a married man, well liked in the community. I won’t pretend to be an expert in the psychology of pedophelia, but as I understand it, what they had was a sexual attraction to boys and, I assume, a good part of it involves the power difference, much as in other kinds of rape. But they did not have adult homosexual relationships. As far as I know, that’s generally the case. None of the gay people I know have any interest in children sexually, just as I don’t.

    Why would anyone think that just because someone is attracted to members of the same sex that this would extend to children? Do they think all straight women are also interested in boys? Or straight men in young girls? Don’t the Girl Scouts usually do a father daughter camp out? That should be terrifying, by this guy’s logic.

    The uncharitable view is that they’re projecting.
    If we’re being nicer they’re just ignorant and paranoid, or they’re liars.

    • baal

      Having closed door access to youths and a socially protected title are associated with molestation, being gay isn’t. Further, most of the molesters (usu. men but not always) are otherwise hetero in their adult lives (jerry sandusky, etal.). The problem isn’t with “gay”. Until and unless real life details like these are taken into account, the problem isn’t going away.

      So far Mr.Quinlin and his co-bigots keep distracting everyone with blaming homosexuals, the better solutions will be left on the table and more kids assaulted.

      • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

        Because no one has ever seen a bisexual man marry a woman…

        Because no homosexual ever marries a woman and pretends to be heterosexual…

        Because homosexuals never act in a predatory way towards children or adolescents – and the proof is in Frank Lombard, James Rennie,Douglas Perlitz, Mark Foley, etc.

    • baal

      Having closed door access to youths and a socially protected title are associated with molestation, being gay isn’t. Further, most of the molesters (usu. men but not always) are otherwise hetero in their adult lives (jerry sandusky, etal.). The problem isn’t with “gay”. Until and unless real life details like these are taken into account, the problem isn’t going away.

      So far Mr.Quinlin and his co-bigots keep distracting everyone with blaming homosexuals, the better solutions will be left on the table and more kids assaulted.

    • blah

      Except the father/daughter camp out example would be different, since the male’s are that daughter’s own father. Now if my daughter was going on a campout with a bunch of other girls, some of those girls were known lesbians, and the leaders were either male or lesbians themselves, there’s NO WAY my daughter is going without me.

      Many parents are not involved in Scouts and many involved in Scouts don’t have their kids in there either.

      • http://twitter.com/PirateFroglet Cathy McGrath

        “Why would anyone think that just because someone is attracted to members of the same sex that this would extend to children? Do they think all straight women are also interested in boys? Or straight men in young girls?”

        But the argument was that a gay man would be attracted to young boys, so would women also be? Or men to young girls? And if that is the case, a father-daughter camp out would be exposing the daughters to all the other fathers too, not just their own children.

        I think the prevailing logic (if you can call it that) is that if they have one ‘perversion’, being gay, they’re BOUND to have all the others, right? Kinky fetishes, aversions to safe sex, or cravings for little children.

        • blah

          Well, actually statistics do show a strong correlation between male homosexuality and the latter two variables you mention. I don’t know about “kinky fetishes”, but as far as risk taking behavior and child molestation yes, I’ve seen some studies that link them together.

          It doesn’t mean that EVERY homosexual male is a pedophile.

          The biggest issue here that no one on either side is talking about, is how pedophiles tend to get themselves in positions that feed their desires. They either become school teachers or become volunteers in youth organizations. How do we stop it?

          I’m thinking that is the bigger issue. The BSA is just doing a poor job of figuring this out. To be honest though, I don’t know how to do it either :(

          • blasphemous_kansan

            “Well, actually statistics do show a strong correlation between male homosexuality and the latter two variables you mention. I don’t know about “kinky fetishes”, but as far as risk taking behavior and child molestation yes, I’ve seen some studies that link them together.”

            I’ll take “Full of Shit Statements” for $500 Alex.

            Citation needed.

            • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

              “I’ll take “Full of Shit Statements” for $500 Alex.”

              That’s exactly what your comment was.

          • RobMcCune

            Whatever christian statistics show, I’ll stick with real statistics thank you.

            • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

              Which are the real statistics of sexual molestation of adolescent boys that you stick with, especially concerning the BSA? You don’t have any.

              • RobMcCune

                Did you ask the same question of the guy who asserted homosexuality is statistically correlated with pedophilia?

                I thought not, bigot, you’ve got nothing but petty sniping.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  “I thought not, bigot, you’ve got nothing but petty sniping.”

                  Perfect description of yourself!

                • RobMcCune

                  Ah yes the “I am rubber you are glue” defense, clearly you are a towering christian intellect.

          • Houndentenor

            It’s actually quite simple how we stop it. Most organizations that involve children, schools, churches, community groups, etc., run background checks on everyone working with children and have very strictly enforced rules for how adults interact with children. This protects not only the children from abuse but adults from false accusations of inappropriate behavior. It shouldn’t be that hard to find a copy of such rules. Everyone I know who works with children talk about this. And most of all…if you know something like this is going on you march yourself straight to the police, not to some higher up in the organization. Organizations have a tendency to value self-protection above everything else. Yes, a sex-abuse scandal is damaging to the organization but if you are part of a group that claims to be working to improve the lives of young people and you can’t at least protect them from being raped then you should rethink what you are doing with your life. It is our job as adults to safeguard children from harm. Failure to do so is a failure of your humanity.

      • Gus Snarp

        I’m glad I don’t live a life as full of fear as yours appears to be.

        • blah

          I’m scared for your kids that you don’t. Too many parents shove their kid in some program and see it as free child care without meeting with the staff or becoming involved themselves.

          Isn’t society learning anything from the Jerry Sandusky incidents or do you not think chid molestation is a big deal?

          One can be a bit overly cautious, but I would rather err on that side than to have my child raped or played with and wish later that I had done more in hindsight. An ounce or two of protection is worth it when they are young Gus. It really is.

          • Gus Snarp

            Just because I don’t live a life of fear doesn’t mean I’m not well aware of the world we live in. There’s appropriate caution, and then there’s:

            Now if my daughter was going on a campout with a bunch of other girls, some of those girls were known lesbians, and the leaders were either male or lesbians themselves, there’s NO WAY my daughter is going without me.

            Not sure if you know this, but there’s a good chance any girl who goes on a significant number of campouts with a reasonably large number of girls will have gone on campouts with lesbians, whether they know it or not. When I was a Boy Scout I shared my tent with boys who I now know are gay. They never hit on me or attempted to molest me. If you read my other comments, you know that I actually knew scout leaders who did molest other boys. None of them were gay, none of them were women. You’re afraid of what you don’t understand and if you waste your time protecting your kids from things that are no threat at all, you will completely miss the real threats.

            • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

              Life is all about you, isn’t it? It doesn’t matter how many people have different experiences than you do, you must be blind to them all at all times.
              People with a homosexuality agenda are the most in denial people ever.

              • RobMcCune

                That’s a massive case of projection if I ever heard one. Typical oblivious christian.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Are you now acknowledging that a significant number of male victims of abuse have homosexuals and bisexuals as perpetrators?

                • RobMcCune

                  since you haven’t defined “significant”, no I am not. significant can imply a minority of incidents that are still non-negligible.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Why do you care if it’s majority or minority? First, it’s impossible to know a precise percentage. Second, between 49% and 51% there isn’t much difference, yet one is majority and one minority. Would you say 49% is not a problem because it’s not the majority? Your obsession with “majority” or “minority,” not with what is a significant level of abuse that you want to lie about, shows that you’re intent is to cover up abuse by GLBT people – as long as it’s not 99% percent perpetrated by homosexuals and bisexuals.

                • RobMcCune

                  the term significant is vague, that was my objection. The rest of your post is a fever dream.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Only ignorant people who don’t read studies think that it’s possible to present a specific, precise percentage for abuse, molestation, harassment, or trafficking.

                  That is a fever dream.

                  But given that you don’t read, what you would know…

                • Houndentenor

                  Yes, I deny that because most men who abuse male children are not out gay or bisexual men. they are pedophiles and it’s quite common for them to marry women and have children to appear as normal as possible. Jerry Sandusky is a good example. I’m not claiming that “straight” men are molestors either. I’m just claiming the obvious fact that someone seeking access to children to molest is going to make every attempt to be a respectable and trustworthy member of that community.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Since you don’t know who the majority of the abusers are, nor what they are, you just take one example and pretend that’s all there is. A man who abuses, harasses, or exploits a 16 yr old is not categorized as a “pedophile.” He will very rarely be heterosexual.

              • Houndentenor

                Please define “homosexuality agenda”.

      • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

        Ah, so “known lesbians” and “lesbian leaders” pose a threat to your child? How utterly bigoted and sickening. It’s attitudes like yours that led to parents not letting their kids come over to play at my house or attend my birthday parties, just because my parents were lesbians! That was in the 80s, but this is 2013. I can’t believe this is still going on.

  • Jon Peterson

    This guy must have done an impressive job of intentionally seeking out AIDS-infected people to make friends with.

    In the last 28 years, only 30 million people have passed due to AIDS globally, out of a population ranging between 5-7 billion over that time period. That would indicate that less than half a percent of people die of AIDS*.

    So in order for him to have been friends with at least 100 people who died of AIDS, statistically, he’d have to have had 20,000 friends. Even allowing a generous margin of error in his favor, that is more friends than I’m willing to believe he has ever had.

    I mean, I know this is all bullshit… but come on! Try to make it convincing! Shit, I know that having just two friends die of the same disease would have a devastating effect on me (changing my sexuality obviously not being one of them). Why blow everything out of proportion?

    *This is a huge number, and I don’t mean to downplay the seriousness of AIDS in any way… I’m just using the statistics to call out a gaping hole in this lie.

    • Stev84

      No doubt he is a liar and just making shit up, but you’re a making a mistake.

      AIDS did indeed ravage the gay male community in the 80s. If all your friends were gay men then and you had little social contact elsewhere it was indeed possible to lose many friends and acquaintances.

      • Ryan Bauer

        This is a true statement. Jon’s comments assume he had a random sampling of friends, rather than the more likely set of friends he chose which were all presumably gay. This would greatly skew the likelihood that his friends were at risk of dying of AIDS.

        • Derrik Pates

          Agreed, if he had a lot of friends who were gay and were doing risky things, but even then, it’s still pretty unlikely – not *impossible*, but the odds are pretty low.

          • blah

            What if one of his friends had it and infected his other friends? I could see how numbers could escalate quickly, especially if he hung out at the same club/bar or whatever often

            • Derrik Pates

              But that would assume both (a) an improbably large pool of friends, and (b) that that was his singular social outlet. As I said, *possible*, but I would see that as fairly improbable.

      • Jon Peterson

        While that’s true to an extent… you’re also making the assumption that he would have an incredibly skewed proportion of gay friends. I have less than 100 people that I would consider more than mere acquaintances, and I’m rather more a socialite than most people I know.

        My point is that the number he threw out of “people I personally knew and cared about who died of AIDS” is inflated to the point of incredulity, and it’s not exactly helping him to win over people. People who’d swallow that number are the sort that stopped reading once they realized he shares their hatred of homosexuality.

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      The greatest spreaders of HIV and syphilis in the US today are men who have sex with men. CDC

  • Gus Snarp

    He’s almost right. Having positive gay role models will increase acceptance of homosexuality, and it will make it easier for those who are questioning their sexuality to find answers, which will make the lives of gay kids a whole lot easier. It will do nothing for those who are not gay, except maybe make them better friends and allies.

    The question is, what the hell is wrong with any of that? I guess it all comes down to the fundamental belief that being gay is not intrinsic, that it’s a flaw that can be caused and fixed. That is the kind of ignorance that leads to bullying. On some level I feel very, very sorry for this guy and the obvious self loathing he suffers as he pretends to be something he evidently is not.

    • Houndentenor

      I think that’s the real fear. That they will see a gay man as a secure, stable, respectable adult, even a role model. That won’t make any straight kid turn gay (doesn’t work that way) but it will make them not so homophobic.

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      The homosexual agenda is the political and cultural movement to
      normalize homosexuality in every aspect of society, by systematically
      lying about its etiology and consequences, and to criminalize any
      questioning, differing viewpoints, objections of said homosexual agenda.

      The homosexual agenda (ridiculously called “gay rights movement” and
      other such euphemistic terms) is part of a larger liberal agenda
      regarding sexuality and personal behaviors (including the endorsement of
      promiscuity, hook-ups, perverse and perverted attitudes and behaviors
      related to sex, porn, adultery, abortion, destruction of traditional
      marriage, STD epidemics, etc.).

      Kids need to be told that if they start to develop psychological problems related to sexuality, like homosexuality, they need to investigate them and resolve them.

      • RobMcCune

        Right it’s all a super conspiracy, the end goal is to let people live with freedom and dignity rather than be subjugated under an authority. However blissful you find mindless obedience most people prefer it the other way.

        • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

          There is no dignity in promiscuity, hook-ups, perverse and perverted attitudes and behaviors related to sex, porn, adultery, abortion, destruction of traditional marriage, STD epidemics – that’s your liberal sexuality agenda, including homosexuality

  • Michael Koch

    He sounds like he’s had experience with the subject….

  • raytheist

    I was never a Scout, but my brother was. I never heard a single word from him that his Cub Scout or Boy Scout leaders EVER brought up sexuality. The leaders were all about putting up tents, teaching kids how to poop in the woods without leaving a trace, how to catch fish and then cook it, how to tie knots, how to keep from drowning and help someone who might be drowning. It is irrelevant to the goals and activities of Scouting what sexual orientation a leader may be.

    • The Other Weirdo

      While theoretically true, in practice, the BSA disagrees with you.

  • Houndentenor

    Okay let’s think about this logically. Would a man who intends to molest children come out to the parents as gay? Won’t the gay scout leader be under extra scrutiny? Even if everyone acts like they won’t watch more carefully, we all know they will and honestly I would too. But the kind of person who wants to molest children does not identify as gay. In fact when you watch interviews with pedophiles they are repulsed by the very idea of sex with adult men and angry that anyone would think they were gay! (Yes, well aware of how effed up that is. Just reporting.)

    No, the person who wants to get in such a position to take advantage of children is going to have the perfect marriage, manicured lawn, etc. He’ll be the most respectable of the bunch. We’ve seen it over and over again. So let’s not kid ourselves. It’s smart to put some rules in place to reduce opportunities for abuse. Most organizations have these and they protect everyone both children (from abuse) and adults (from being accused of doing something they shouldn’t have).

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      look up Frank Lombard and James Rennie. Let’s think this through.

      Normalizing homosexuality creates an environment where homosexual sexual harassment is considered normal behavior and something the victims need to put up with.

      • RobMcCune

        Any proof of that it normalizes it, no I though not. If anyone’s world view leads to harassment it would probably be your patriarchal worldview.

        • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

          I don’t have a patriarchal world view. Patriarchy is actually quite disguised in your homosexuality agenda – starting with how much you love to lie and cover up abuse, giving the abusers free reign
          The homosexuality agenda usually includes porn as well – you can’t get more patriarchal than normalizing the degradation of women and sex in porn – which is then extended to normalize degradation of sexuality in homosexuality, S&M, bestiality, etc

          • RobMcCune

            Or just make shit up, anti-gay boyscouts and the catholic church, Eddie Long, etc. covered up the abuse of boys and gave the abusers free reign. But no pretend it’s all the liberals.

            Then pretend your rights and autonomy as a human being are somehow degrading. You’re seriously deluded if you think homosexuality includes straight porn. It’s fascinating watching you generate a fantasy world. You rob words and concepts of their meaning when you amalgamate them into your nebulous blob of hate.

            • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

              80% of the abuse in the CC scandal was male homosexual, and a significant number of these perpetrators was homosexual. The cover-up involved all kinds of men.

              I’ve never seen people with a homosexual agenda criticize porn. No fantasy, that’s reality.

              “You rob words and concepts of their meaning when you amalgamate them into your nebulous blob of hate.”
              It seems any time someone points to a problem in reality that you don’t like to face, you call that “hate.”

              • RobMcCune

                a significant number of these perpetrators was homosexual.

                So what number out of how many also were attracted to adult men? Cite your source.

                I’ve never seen people with a homosexual agenda criticize porn.

                Backing down are we, you don’t find it absurd in slightest to expect gay rights advocates to not focus on gay rights, but straight porn? Given your imaginary conception of an all pervasive “homosexual agenda” that will dictate all aspects of society I’m surprised you can’t find one critic of straight porn. Whats more given all those who are supposedly in on the homosexual agenda, you seem to have overlooked that many feminist of both orientations and genders do criticize porn as demeaning to women. Either in principal or in practice. Quite a few lesbians don’t like the way lesbians is portrayed in mainstream straight porn. Though that probably doesn’t matter since their lesbians and can’t have man on man buttsex, which is a chistian fixation for some reason.

                It seems any time someone points to a problem in reality that you don’t like to face, you call that “hate.”

                You haven’t shown anything, you’ve just made a bunch of assertions about secret agendas and claim to have statistics showing a “significant” (whatever that means) number of adult men who are attracted to adult men are also involved in molesting boys. Given that one is a case of projection by authoritarians and the other is a myth widely debunked outside christian circles I’d say you have to do better to show it’s not hate.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Look at the John Jay study, plus all the testimonies from victims about their abusers, plus investigations on the abusers themselves http://www.jjay.cuny.edu/churchstudy/main.asp

                  …………………….

                  “The homosexuality agenda usually includes porn as well”

                  Rob said: You’re seriously deluded if you think homosexuality includes straight porn.

                  I said the “homosexuality agenda,” not homosexuality. And I said “porn,” not straight porn.

                  You are seriously deluded if you think I said “homosexuality includes straight porn.”

                  …………………………..

                  Rob said: “many feminist of both orientations and genders do criticize porn as demeaning to women.”

                  Many? No. And I don’t see these few academic feminists criticizing porn reflected in the bulk of society. Not at all. And after ” feminism”
                  completely devolved to become nothing more than a homosexuality
                  agenda campaign around the 80s/90s and lost its way, even the bulk of these academic “feminists” are now women who preach
                  homosexuality, hookups, porn (especially homosexual porn), and
                  legalizing prostitution. In other words, everything that was exposed
                  as exploitative and demeaning to women is now promoted as
                  “liberation” of women – and in *defense* of women.

                • RobMcCune

                  Not really seeing any indication that priests who molested children were attracted to adult men. Turns out you 80% was in regards to victims the percent of victims, not the sexual preference of the priests. Seeing as this is a subset of pedophiles and the study relies on self reporting with unanswered questions on the questionnaires, this does nothing to prove your point.

                  Now moving from one point of selective reading to another…

                  The homosexuality agenda usually includes porn as well – you can’t get more patriarchal than normalizing the degradation of women and sex in porn

                  Given your inability to read your own study it is no surprise you have an inability to read your own comments. Of course you said “homosexual agenda”, which you haven’t really defined, and include just about everyone and everything to the point of meaninglessness. I’m still curious how homosexuals promote all pornography including straight porn. Define this grand conspiracy. FYI Insane culture warriors who are a smidge less crazy point the causality arrow in the other direction.

                  In other words, everything that was exposed
                  as exploitative and demeaning to women is now promoted as
                  “liberation” of women – and in *defense* of women.

                  You’re confusing your religion’s commands to demean “sinful” women with actually demeaning women there

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Not really seeing any indication that priests who molested children were attracted to adult men.

                  =================

                  How many testimonies from the victims did you read, plus on the abusers? Zero.

                  “Given your inability to read your own study it is no surprise you have an inability to read your own comments.”

                  Given your inability to read what I post, it is no surprise you just write nonsense on here.

                • RobMcCune

                  You could directly link to the areas that are relevant rather than send me on a wild goose chase through 36 different PDF’s, further more no section has a heading for testimonials or stories. Are you unfamiliar with link you posted? It seems so, did you post the wrong link or did you hallucinate the results?

                  It’s super easy to prove me wrong just post links to the subsections that prove your point, or just tell me which subsection it is. I’m betting you won’t do that and give a handwaving excuse as to why noting in what you’ve provided does a thing for your case. It’s incredibly easy to embarrass me on this one, go ahead do it.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  I didn’t know you were too stupid to read studies. I didn’t know you were too stupid to follow the media, read testimonies, investigations and articles.

                  You’re just posting drivel here in part because you are too ignorant to read studies and sources.

                  If you want to prove the John Jay study is wrong, I suggest you start reading it and come back when you are less ignorant.

                • RobMcCune

                  I have no need to prove the study wrong, since it doesn’t in any way support your case.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Wrong, it does. But that’s all right, it’s clear you can’t read studies or prove any of them wrong.

                  You just make up any crap you like here and to cover up abuse.

                • RobMcCune

                  “You just make up any crap you like here and to cover up abuse.”

                  says the catholic, anything to make the non-church thoughts go away.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Try debating anything Donahue and so many other people who have anylized the JJ study said. You’ve done nothing of the kind.

                  You’re here just to call people names. Especially when the subject involves reading anything.

                • RobMcCune

                  Editing posts are we? Well you’ll have to do better than Bill Donahue to prove… well anything other than the repugnance of Bill Donahue. As a Catholic you are certainly one to talk about indifference to child molestation, project much?

                  Note you could have posted the links I asked for to make me look extra dumb, but now you’ve been caught just believing what other tell you with out reading it. Though that’s not surprising given how few christians read the source material, and given how conservative catholics have no will of their own without authority.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Project much?

                  I haven’t been caught believing what others tell me. You have. You have proved you are incapable of engaging in your comments with what the study showed.

                  You proved that you are too stupid to read sources.

                  Your attitudes and claims are not based on “sources,” just your own ignorant drivel.

                  Have you proved the John Jay study is wrong? Have you proved anything anyone has said about it wrong?

                  You’re incapable of reading a study, analyzing it, or proving anything.

                  You’re like an illiterate, deaf person shouting.

                • RobMcCune

                  Awww are mad Bill Donahue let you down? The john jay study gives no statistics about the orientation of the abusers or the percentage of those that are attracted to adult men. You have failed to prove your point and just posted a link in an attempt to show you had sources, I read it, it didn’t say what you claimed.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  The study gives a greater correlation between abusers who had sex with men in the seminary. And other testimonies and investigations provide data about individual abusers.

                  So, sorry, you haven’t disproven what you think you have.

                  I don’t care how much you don’t like Donahue, just because you don’t like him, it doesn’t prove what he wrote is wrong.

                  Maybe you should start reading and responding to arguments, if you want to disprove anything.

                  Just a hint.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  The homosexual agenda is the political and cultural movement to normalize homosexuality in every aspect of society, by systematically lying about its etiology and consequences, and to criminalize any questioning, differing viewpoints, objections of said homosexual agenda.

                  The homosexual agenda (ridiculously called “gay rights movement” and other such euphemistic terms) is part of a larger liberal agenda regarding sexuality and personal behaviors (including the endorsement of promiscuity, hook-ups, perverse and perverted attitudes and behaviors related to sex, porn, adultery, abortion, destruction of traditional marriage, STD epidemics, etc.).

                  The homosexual agenda is largely responsible for irresponsible and corrupt research and academic production regarding homosexuality.

                  Do not confuse the term “(homo)sexuality” with “(homo) sexual orientation. They are not the same.

                  Homosexuality is about sexual attitudes, values, attractions, repulsions, concepts and interpretations about sexuality, power and domination or subjection dynamics relating to the sexual other, affection or objectification of the sexual other, admiration or disrespect related to the sexual object,conscious and unconscious feelings related to self or other which shapes or deforms relation and sexual feelings towards other, obsessions and distortions, projections, fantasies, dysfunctions, traumas, impacts from social conditioning, problems with masculinity or femininity, problems with personal history and fundamental caretakers, etc. that
                  will result in the sexualization of someone of the same sex and a hindering of the normal sexualization of someone of the opposite sex.

                  Society needs to be concerned about homosexuality, not homosexual orientation. Homosexual attraction or desire is only a mere product of a myriad configurations of these aforementioned dysfunctional psycho-social dynamics.

                • RobMcCune

                  The homosexual agenda is the political and cultural movement to normalize homosexuality in every aspect of societ一

                  I’m looking forward to you actually proving that throughout the rest of your post.

                  is part of a larger liberal agenda regarding sexuality and personal behaviors (including the endorsement of promiscuity, hook-ups, perverse and perverted attitudes and behaviors related to sex, porn, adultery, abortion, destruction of traditional marriage, STD epidemics, etc.).

                  Freedom to does not equate to endorsement of. What most people want is a society that is not in the business of punishing individuals for not conforming to the arbitrary dictates of religious morality. I especially love the end there, claiming people are deliberately destroying marriage and promoting stds. You have anything to back up that this is a goal of the “homosexual agenda”? Attributing those social problems to a malevolent “agenda” shows just how warped your thinking is.

                  Homosexuality is about sexual attitudes…

                  Well you do better than most of the morons, you actually state that very long list as part of what you consider homosexuality, I’ve got to give you credit for that. Of course what it all amounts to is you concocting a definition to fit your preconceived notions. Homosexuality is attraction to adults of the same sex, nothing more, the fact you attribute vast conspiracies to it shows just how weak your argument really is.

      • Houndentenor

        In other words…gay men with power might treat straight men the way straight men have too often treated women? That’s a good argument against sexual harassment but not a good one against gay rights. Sexual harassment is always wrong no matter who does it to whom. But that approach would require straight men to take responsibility for their own actions and how they affect others.

        • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

          In other words…gay men with power might treat straight men the way
          straight men have too often treated women?

          ===================
          All men, actually. And not just men, women with a homosexual or bisexual problem do the same thing.

          …………………….

          That’s a good argument
          against sexual harassment but not a good one against gay rights.

          ================
          Given that an environment that normalizes homosexuality presents more sexual harassment, I disagree very much.

          • Houndentenor

            That’s ludicrous! So because a handful of gay men MIGHT sexually harrass someone, no gay people should have equal rights? The problem is sexual harassment, not gay rights. How is it worse to be harassed by a gay boss than a straight one? Or does it only matter now that it finally might happen to men rather than women?

            • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

              It’s not “might” – in any large number of people, that’s what happens. And what is ridiculous is you thinking other people don’t have a right to be free from being sexually harassed, molested, abused, etc.
              The problem is the normalization of homosexuality and bisexuality.

              In case you are too dim to realize it, a heterosexual man is not going to sexually harass a teenage boy – it’s the bisexuals and homosexuals who are interested.

              And of course the problem is the same for women.

              • Houndentenor

                I’m against sexual harassment. I thought I was clear about that. No, I don’t suppose a truly heterosexual man is going to sexually assault a boy. But a pedophile is likely to pose as a heterosexual man in order to gain access to young men. Again, see Jerry Sandusky and countless others. He appeared to be heterosexual. He certainly didn’t identify as gay and in fact in studies of pedophiles you find that they are repulsed by the idea of adult homosexual activity. No, it makes no sense but being attracted to very young men or women is something quite different than being gay or straight.

                None of that has anything to do with the normalization of homosexuality or bisexuality.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Just ask Frank Lombard and James Rennie. They both normalized homosexuality and pedophilia. And people like you are their enablers by lying all the time that they exist and that they abuse.
                  A heterosexual man who wants to exploit a 16 yr old is going to go after a girl. A homosexual who wants to exploit a 16 yr old is not going to go after a girl, they are going to go after a boy.
                  An environment where homosexuality has been normalized makes it easy for him.

                • Houndentenor

                  I have no idea who either of those people are. But I do know that it’s just as wrong to exploit an underage girl as it is an underage boy. Both are wrong. The issue then is the exploitation of minors.

                  PS I read your blog and your definition of the “homosexuality agenda” is the most bizarre piece of paranoid conspiracy theory nonsense I’ve read in quite some time. I’m not sure where you get your nutty ideas but they are clearly not based in reality and certainly don’t represent me or any other homosexual, bisexual or other kind of person I have ever met.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  I guess you are too stupid to read about homosexual and bisexual abusers, harassers, molesters, traffickers, even ones cited by name!

                  Yes, the issue is the exploitation of juveniles and kids, and how you lie to yourself about this reality.

                  You are exactly the kind of person who enables abuse to happen by pretending it’s not happening. “I don’t know and I don’t care to know about Frank Lombard. I must remain ignorant and in denial.” You and Joe Paterno.

                  Your ideas, while completely detached from reality, do serious harm. But, again, what do you care?

                • Houndentenor

                  I care a great deal. I looked them both up. Horrible cases. But they don’t prove your point. Bad people do bad things. It’s no worse for a gay man to do such bad things as it is for anyone else. You are looking for excuses to deny rights to people based on the bad acts of a few. We could do that with any group. It would still be wrong.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Houndentenor wrote : I looked them both up. Horrible cases. But they don’t prove your point. Bad people do bad things. It’s no worse for a gay man to do such bad things as it is for anyone else:

                  You want to enable people with a homosexual problem to abuse, harass, and molest. Yes, bad people do bad things, and enabling abusers and molesters is a bad thing. The only way that Lombard got to adopt small boys to rape is because people like you sit there shouting that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, homosexuals don’t abuse, the “majority” of abusers are heterosexual, and people with your homosexuality agenda don’t cover up abuse.

                  All of these are lies.

                  “It’s almost guaranteed that when someone gets away with abuse that they will abuse again.”

                  And it’s quite guaranteed that if you normalize homosexuality in an environment such as the boy scouts, there will be more harassment and molestations perpetrated by homosexuals and bisexuals.

                  This is reality and it’s the reality of your stupid homosexuality agenda.

                  You haven’t disproved my point.

                • Houndentenor

                  I don’t have a homosexuality problem. I’m gay. No problem. There is no “homosexuality agenda” except in your twisted imagination. Gay people want the same rights as everyone else. There’s the agenda. That’s it. I have disproved your point, or rather, your point disproves itself because it’s insane.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  LOL – so you say you don’t have a homosexuality agenda but claim to “be gay”? And that there is not problem with that?

                  I think you need to read my description of your homosexual agenda again.

                  Every time you comment on here, you prove my description of it was right on target.

                  People with a homosexuality problem and a homosexuality agenda live to normalize homosexuality.

                  Lastly, given your lack of self-awareness, you really should avoid calling other people insane, but given you display no self-awareness we know that won’t happen…

                  Please continue with your little homosexuality agenda…

                • Houndentenor

                  Yes, I’m gay. It’s a thing. Look it up. I read your “agenda” and it’s a bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense. It’s as credible as the people who think all the world leaders are “reptilians”. And yes, I wish to live and work and love just like everyone else. If that’s what you mean by normalization then yes, I’m all for it. There’s nothing subversive about wanting to live, work and love just like everyone else.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Your views about sexuality are as credible as the people who think Hitler, Stalin, and Kim were basically nice people and good leaders.

              • RobMcCune

                In case you are too dim to realize it, a heterosexual man is not going to sexually harass a teenage boy – it’s the bisexuals and homosexuals who are interested.

                While your obviously too dim or deluded to realize it pedophilia exists independently of attraction to adults. By your logic the fact society has normalized heterosexuality leads to the molestation of girls by men and boys by women. Of course in bigot logic gay and bisexual people have just about every “immoral” urge there is unlike virtuous heterosexuals.

                What’s more you’ve shown the prejudice in your own argument.

                It’s not “might” – in any large number of people, that’s what happens.

                Yet you treat child molestation like it’s the sole domain of homosexuals, at least until you are called out on it.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  It’s pretty stupid to think that the Boy Scouts is for girls. Regarding the BSA, people need to be concerned about who abuses, exploits, and harasses boys and male teenagers

                • RobMcCune

                  You suddenly switch to the topic of the BSA? Odd the comment I responded to didn’t mention it, maybe your just avoiding the question of whether heterosexuality promotes abuse of minors of the opposite sex. You have a made up definition of homosexuality, why didn’t you use that?

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Switch the topic? I guess you are pretty insane. Did you even read the article:

                  “Christian Bigot: If the Boy Scouts Allow Gay Leaders, Kids Will Get Molested”

                  That is the topic. That is the topic you are so desperately trying to run away from discussing. What I have been posting relates to this topic. You’re the one wants to switch to topic to talk about girls.

                  Girls are not in the BSA. The focus is boys and who is likely to abuse them in an environment where homosexuality and bisexuality have been normalized.

                • RobMcCune

                  You don’t know how discussions work, do you? You made a set of broad claims about homosexuals, I pointed out that your reasoning had absurd implications then you replied with a non-sequiter about boy scouts. Why I am I not surprised you don’t read.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  the only thing you pointed out is that you are incapable of reading a study, and incapable of reading an analysis of the study by Donahue, apparently because you have a personal problem with him.

                  More of your drivel – but as long as you are covering up abuse and exploitation by homosexuals and bisexuals, you’re happy.

  • bullet

    “My own sexual molestation as a youth was a contributing factor to my homosexual behavior as I got older.”

    You know what else contributed to your homosexual behavior? You’re GAY!!

    What an asshole.

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      No one is born with a homosexual problem. every human being is born heterosexual. Sexual violence impacts and harms a person’s psychology, which is the basis for any kind of sexual dynamics.

      “What an asshole.”
      a perfect description of yourself

      • Beutelratti

        Oh look, it’s Alessandra trolling another blog with comments without any proof or source of scientific merit!

        • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

          You’ve described yourself perfectly!

      • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

        .

        FINALLY, you are right about something, Alessandra, when you write, “… No one is born with a homosexual problem …”

        You are right in that being homosesual is not a problem.

        The only problem is living in a society that rejects any of it’s members, especially it’s homosexual members.

        Your opening sentence was a nice possible start to a hopeful thought, Alessandra, but then you diverge into unsupportable speculation, “… every human being is born heterosexual …”

        That’s not even true of animals, so why should the roll-of-the-dice, DNA wise, be any different for other human beings just because you yourself have a self-inflicted self-righteous moral stick up your a55?

        Alessandra, I cannot for the life of me understand your vitriolic assaultative attacks on anyone who tries to dialogue with you here on the web.

        Is there anyone or anything that you accept even though you do not agree?

        Do you know how to just get along?

        .

    • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

      .

      You cannot write this stuff:

      bullet shared, “… You’re GAY!! … What an asshole …”

      =8^o

      Thanks for that — a little levity is always welcome.

      Now, back to Alessandra and web-chat hell.
      .

  • Randomfactor
  • Tired-of-bigots

    The Gay leaders have a lot of competition. They will have to get in line behind preachers, priests, any religious leaders, and too many teachers, doctors and cops. I don’t think they’ll have much of a chance finding the confused vulnerable children with so many perverts already out there. Me thinks this man protest too much. Get an adult male lover and get on with your life.

  • The Other Weirdo

    There were no gays in the Boy Scouts and all sorts of allegations of sexual abuse by the Scouts came out recently. So, even if his accusation against homosexual men is true, I’m not sure how it would make the situation any worse. Other than, you know, give even better access to the actual abusers already in their ranks because everybody will be watching teh gayz and not them.

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      There have been several closeted homosexual and bisexual juveniles and men in the BSA

  • Derrik Pates

    Yes, how dare gay people show an example wherein they don’t live their lives every day surrounding themselves with self-loathing and simpering imprecations to their deity of choice to “fix” them.

  • TiltedHorizon

    In the middle ages Christians accused Jews of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. This accusation, called a Blood Libel, was used in the justification of the murder and arrests of hundreds. Fast forward a few centuries and the Christians where accusing Black men in the United States of of raping White women as justification for lynching.

    Christians have a long and proud tradition of exacting revenge on made up crimes and imaginary criminals. Homosexuality = pedophilia is just another in a long standing tradition. What’s next? Accuse atheists of eating Christian babies? ……… oh wait.

  • trj

    Reality check: it’s clear from recent news that sexual abuse – and cover-ups – have occurred in the BSA for many years, all without help from gay scout leaders.

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      Because you knew who the closeted homosexual and bisexual ones were?

      • RobMcCune

        The psychological literature shows most pedophiles are attracted to children and only children, to call them homosexual is a misnomer. Not that it will stop you.

        • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

          The psychological literature – obviously something you’ve never read – shows that most adolescent boys are not abused by pedophiles who are solely attracted to children. A significant number of homosexuals and bisexuals who abuse or exploit adolescent boys do not abuse small children.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    Yeah, because there’s never</i? been a problem with straight Scoutmasters molesting children…

    *spits*

  • anon

    Wow, well I can tell that their is no gay support here… LOL funny you would think the number of people would be bigger posting but then again gays don’t out number straight people or the kids they can have….

    • Carmelita Spats

      You write real purty…Idiot…Lesbians CAN have babies and adoption is always an option. It’s incredible how Christoholics manage to reduce responsible, loving, ethical, mindful, parenting to the grotesque and the infirm: “the kids they can have”…As if breeding for Jeebus is something to be proud of…I don’t care what sort of gawd you believe in, it’s a safe bet that
      hysterical breeding does not top her list of desirables. Gawd does not
      want more children per acre than there are ants or mice or garter snakes
      or repressed pedophilic priests. We already have three billion humans
      on the planet who subsist on less than two dollars a day. Every other
      child in the world (one billion of them) lives in abject poverty. We are
      burning through the planet’s resources faster than a Republican can eat
      an endangered caribou stew. If Gawd wanted you
      to have a massive pile of children, she’d have given you a uterus fashioned with a
      hydraulic pump and a revolving door. Stop it now.

      • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

        .

        I love this!

        Thanks for the no-holds-barred insights, Carmelita Spats.

        .

  • indorri

    Why that [insert many naughty, naughty words here] motherfucker! Piss on him! “Heterosexual counselling” my glorious and exquisite ass!

  • Anon

    Where, exactly, in the definition of ‘homosexual’ does it say ‘interested in children’? Because I must have missed that part.

    I work with Guides. I’m a lesbian. And yet I have never felt in any way sexually attracted to them because they are children.

    Newsflash. Child abusers are interested in children. Homosexual people are interested in other homosexual people over the age of consent.

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      Where, exactly, in the definition of ‘homosexual’ does it say ‘interested in children’? Because I must have missed that part.
      ==============
      In the same part of the definition of heterosexual and bisexual that says that there are countless of them who sexually harass, molest, exploit, traffic, and abuse juveniles.

      Sexual abuse and exploitation are real problems in society, and the perpetrators for teen boys are homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual.

      • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

        .

        Alessandra alert: You confuse sex with violence.

        Would you call a kidnapped person in car “a passenger” to be included in mileage and transportation statistics?

        Would you say that someone shot in the stomach has an “eating disorder” to be included in dietary guideline compliance statistics?

        Stop calling violence “sex” just because some parts of the body are abused in the process.

        Violence is violence; sex is sex,

        (And no, S&M is voluntary and not the topic here, but if it is not voluntary, then it is violence, not sex).
        .

  • Pedro Martinez

    If you keep submitting well written articles just like this then I will always keep returning back to your blog. Really good material.

    • fin312

      Please don’t be the Pedro Martinez that pitched for the Red Sox.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    TROLL IN THE DUNGEON!

    Fin312 ia a known anti-woman anti-gay troll who only ever shows up to slag on women and gays.

  • Thegoodman

    He seems to be mixing up terms here. “Gay” as most of us sane people know and understand it is an adult that has open relationships with other adults of the same sex.

    He seems to be confusing it with “sexual predator” and/or “child molester”. What fucking rock do these bigots live under to think these things are synonyms?

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      If you’re looking for bigotry, take a look at yourself. Homosexuals, bisexuals, and heterosexuals all abuse and exploit juveniles. A significant number of adolescent male victims of exploitation and molestation have homosexual or bisexual perpetrators.

      • Thegoodman

        1. No, they ALL do not abuse and exploit juveniles.

        2. Our society teaches homosexuals and bisexuals at a young age that they are hell-bound deviants who must suppress and hide their true selves. The Catholic church is a great case study for the results of sexual suppression. As soon as gay people are accepted as normal and respected adults perhaps they can find more constructive outlets for their sexuality, like normal relationships.

        Also, how am I a bigot? You said I should “take a look at yourself” and then followed with a blanket statement full of hatred for a large group of mostly innocent individuals.

        • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

          “Homosexuals, bisexuals, and heterosexuals all abuse and exploit juveniles.” = there are abusers and harmful people in all three groups. In other words, there are homosexual perpetrators, bisexual perpetrators, and heterosexual perpetrators.

          The only people living under a rock are the ones who claim only heterosexuals abuse or who claim that I meant every single person abuses when I pointed out there are perpetrators in all three categories.

          • RobMcCune

            “Homosexuals, bisexuals, and heterosexuals all abuse and exploit juveniles.”

            Asexuals FTW!

            • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

              LOL, while we’re at it, let’s just ban all men from ever being around children. No male teachers. No male coaches. No male tutors. No male therapists. No male doctors. No male dentists. If no man of any orientation can be trusted alone with children, that would seem to be the “logical” solution.

              • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                In fact, that is the logical solution in the Girls Scouts (and many other groups). No man is allowed to take girls alone anywhere in the GS.

                • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

                  No woman is allowed to take girls alone anywhere in the Girl Scouts either. They require at least two (or more, depending on the number of kids) unrelated adult volunteers.

                  People like you make me sick. Straight men are left alone with children all the time. No one is lobbying to ban straight men from performing jobs in which they have close physical contact with children, such as pediatricians, nurses and dentists, or from jobs where they spend time alone with children, such as tutoring or babysitting.

                  Your suspicion and paranoia is reserved for gay and bisexual men. It’s just sickening and disgusting, especially from my perspective of having been raised in a lesbian family. My brother and I were left alone (shock!) with gay men and lesbians all the time, and yet, the only person who ever approached me in an inappropriate manner was the straight, married, Catholic father of a friend of mine. It’s just so predictable how right-wing homophobes accuse gay people of being a danger to children when really, the people in their own families and churches are the ones most likely to cause a problem.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  People like you make me sick. It’s because of people like you that Frank Lombard, James, Jennie, and so many others abuse, harass, and exploit.

                  “Your suspicion and paranoia is reserved for gay and bisexual men.”

                  You mean like Father Shanley? Gay activist priest and homosexual abuser at the same time? Yes, I guess I don’t like to cover up abuse and exploitation, and you just love to do so. Every time you get to lie about one more kid abused by a homosexual, you’re happy.

                  And life is all about you, isn’t it? It doesn’t matter how many times homosexuals and bisexuals abuse or harass other people, other teens, and other children, you simply can care less.

                • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

                  You know, I think you are beyond hope. It’s not worth it to even try to have a discussion with someone like you. Your hatred for LGBT people has been duly noted.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  You and your intent to cover up every case of abuse, exploitation, and harassment involving a homosexual and bisexual perpetrator is what is beyond hope.

                  You are the Joe Paterno of homosexual abuse. Calling other people haters, while you go through life enabling abusers is the most sickening thing one could ever do. That’s your life and it’s been duly noted.

                  All you do is call people “haters,” while creating situations for abuse and while you lie to people about the abuse that happens in reality. You just love homosexual and bisexual abusers, pimps, and harassers.

                • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

                  As I said above, this is not worth my time or energy. I feel sorry for you, but there’s no way for us to have any kind of serious discussion.

                • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

                  .
                  Alessandra wrote, “… people like you make me sick ,…”

                  Oh, no, Alessandra, you arrived that way.

                  Violent criminals never check in with Internet chat dialogs to get permission or direction before going out and hurting others, and they definitely will never find inspiration in kumbaya liberal speak!

                  But if anyone were to read our words here and try to turn words into actions, only your own hateful words contain the seed to produce the hurt you so decry.

                  Alessandra, imagine writing an open, exploratory, expansive post that is part of an inclusive dialog where all are welcome and encouraged to participate.

                  Imagine sharing about your own personal experience, and relating it on topic.

                  So, Alessandra, what’s your own personal experience of gay people and the Boy Scouts .. or, what’s your experience of being on either side of bigotry?

                  .

                • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

                  .
                  Thank you for sharing, Anna — it sounds like a great childhood, except for the errant Catholic here or there(!).
                  .

          • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

            .
            If there are elements in all three categories, then the categories are irrelevant.

            Stop writing about homosexuality when you cannot identify a distinction about homosexuality to write about, Alessandra.
            .

      • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

        .

        Alessandra wrote, “… A significant number of adolescent male victims of exploitation and molestation have homosexual or bisexual perpetrators …”

        You’re confusing unrelated things — violence and sexual preference.

        You’re also spouting meaningless non-statistics: “… a significant number …” … as if you are comparing to a threshold where, what, some victims can be considered an insignificant number?

        You’re also being Alessandra; stop that.
        .

    • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

      .
      Yes and no, since gays have no age limit, but sexual expression and contact between consenting partners requires that both be under- or over(?)-age.

      But, yes, many people confuse violence with sex when the violation involves “certain body parts” or it the violator happens to also be “one of them”.

      If a gay person dies from a tree falling on them in the woods, is it a gay death?

      ;-)

      Violence by gays is not gay violence, it’s violence.

      Carry on.
      .

  • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

    What people need to realize is that liberals have normalized a
    variety of harmful views, concepts, and attitudes about sexuality,
    including homosexuality, promiscuity, prostitution, and spreading
    diseases with impunity, all of which have a disastrous effect on both
    young people and adults.

    Sexual assault, manipulation, and exploitation of young people are
    real problems in society, and there are a variety of homosexual and
    bisexual perpetrators of all ages, who would greatly welcome the
    opportunity to be in an organization where it would be easy for them to
    act out their predatory or exploitative sexual feelings.

    Liberals are gleefully throwing under the bus all the youths who will
    be sexually assaulted and molested by homosexuals in this future BSA.
    And there will be cover-ups, just like in the Catholic Church, and just
    like at Penn State, or just like in the cases of the myriad of
    homosexual/bisexual coaches and teachers who exploited or abused boys
    that have come to light, because society hasn’t changed much in this
    respect. Witness the comments around the net about the BSA. It’s all
    about the “gays” and not about the kids.

    What will happen when someone with a homosexuality agenda is told of a
    supposed incident involving a homosexual teen? They will say it’s all
    lies, all prejudice, it’s the people who make the accusations who are
    bad… And that, in the case the boy victim is courageous enough and
    supported enough to make accusations. Since people who sexually exploit
    and harass others usually target their victims based on vulnerability,
    many of the victims will not be in a position to fight back, especially
    from a psychological standpoint. Furthermore, in case it’s not obvious,
    that is letting a boy be abused by a homosexual to then say, “oh, how
    terrible” – but it’s the adults who set up the system to let it happen
    in the first place.

    It turns my stomach that this is what people with a homosexuality
    agenda want to inflict on innocent boys. At the same time, they would
    never let young men be the leaders for girls – and the reason is very
    simple: it’s a measure of protection for the girls.

    Can any person in society identify who the people who are currently
    abusing children are (hetero or not)? Can anyone identify who the
    homosexuals and bisexuals abusing children are? You can’t – they are
    closeted. And yet, you want to shove a number of these closeted
    homosexual abusers onto boys – including letting them have a lot of
    access to vulnerable boys. The people with a homosexuality agenda will
    gleefully play the part of Joe Paterno in the BSA. Deny that there is a
    problem of sexual harassment and abuse in society, deny that
    homosexuals and bisexuals of all ages do harm and violence in society.

    It’s not just the most serious kind of sexual assault that I’m
    talking about either. How about if a homosexual teen forces a kiss on
    another boy? “Oh, that’s just part of adolescence,” liberals will say.
    I’ve seen that happen when a homosexual man forced himself onto a 18 yr
    old. “That’s just gays being gays – my son shouldn’t have gotten mad at
    the gay man who shoved his mouth on my boy,” I was told by the mother of
    the 18 yr old. Or how about the real case of a homosexual scout
    leader who constantly said he and the boys needed to practice
    mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Is anyone going to police what’s happening
    with every single individual in the BSA? No. If society is incapable of
    preventing the most abhorrent abuses by homosexuals today (James
    Rennie, Frank Lombard, plus all the other victims who have tried to
    commit suicide) – what’s going to happen in the BSA? And as I said, it
    will then be too late. You cannot turn back the clock and prevent the
    boys in question from being molested, assaulted, and violated. But what
    do liberals care? They must force homosexuals and homosexuality as
    normal and if, among homosexuals, there are many who are perverse, tough
    luck. For the boys, that is. Because the people shoving the
    dysfunctional homosexuals onto the boys are very safe and very
    privileged.

    Juveniles account for more than one third of those known to police to
    have committed sex offenses to minors. It turns my stomach that a large
    swath of society is oblivious to the fact and will not protect boys. A
    homosexual agenda is a very destructive ideology indeed.

    • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

      .
      OMFG Alessandra, get a life and stop cutting-and-pasting thoughtless inaccurate offensive insulting trash wherever you find people who are actually having a courteous dialogical exploration and respectful sharing of their own personal experiences.

      Alessandra wrote, “… when the earth cooled and the dinosaurs and the liberals roamed …” … for seven hundred forty-plus words, and more and more and more before and after just in this thread, and web search for any included unique phrase and find it pasted elsewhere on the web ad nauseum.

      Anytime someone somewhere in the world has any innocent, consensual pleasure with anyone (or alone!), Alessandra suffers, even if just a little bit.
      .

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    Troll in the dungeon! (Alessandra)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs

    • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

      .
      ROTFLMAO

      (not “LOLOL” as Alessandra would say — look it up, Urban Dictionary!)

      Thanks for that, wmdkitty.
      .

  • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

    Because, in his mind, if you allow gay troop leaders, scout meetings will just become a giant molest-fest.
    =======================
    By the way, that’s exactly the main reason why men are not Girl Scout leaders and are not allowed to take any group of girls alone on any trips.

  • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

    These people really make me sick. It’s just sad and depressing. I had really hoped that society was past that by now.

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      Thanks to people like you, now we have Frank Lombards though.

      • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

        You’re obviously beyond any type of discussion. It’s not worth my time or anyone else’s.

        • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

          You seem upset that someone spoiled your little “I hate conservatives” fest.

          • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

            If you’re trying to bait me, it won’t work. It’s not worth even attempting to have a serious discussion with someone like you. Not interested, sorry.

            • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

              I’m just pointing out how much hatred is visible in your comments here, that is, your little homosexuality agenda world view. And how many disgusting and criminal people share it.

              • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

                What is this, elementary school? I just told you there’s no point in engaging with someone like you. You can rant at me all you like, but I’m not changing my mind.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  “What is this, elementary school? ”

                  No, this is a site where people can comment on issues. If you don’t like my comments, I suggest you don’t reply to them.

                  And I’m not addressing you, I’m pointing out how your views and values are warped.

                • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

                  Perhaps you don’t realize how threaded comments work, but you have replied directly to me several times and appear to be trying to pick some sort of fight. It is simply not worth trying to discuss anything with you because it appears that your view of reality has been grossly distorted and your mind is sealed shut. Again, it’s not worth my time or energy. Now, this is my final comment on the matter. If you reply back to me again, I will not respond.

                • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

                  Perhaps you don’t realize that people are free to criticize every thing you write on here, and should do so because your views are so warped. If you think that’s “picking some sort of fight” than you are the one still stuck in grade school.

                  “it appears that your view of reality has been grossly distorted and your mind is sealed shut.”

                  Perfect description of yourself.

                • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

                  .
                  Too subtle for you, Alessandra?

                  Anna was recognizing your pre-pubescent adolescent behavior, and was using humor, sarcasm … oh, never mind.

                  .

              • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

                .
                Disgusting and criminal people also have a lot in common with you, Alessandra — is it cause and affect, did you do that?

                Did they become criminals just because they experience your influence?

                It could happen — if I read another million-word cut-and-paste spiraling self-immolating diatribe from Alessandra, there’s no telling what my then broken mind will make me do.

                “… Your honor, Alessandra made me do it …”
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          • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

            .
            Not spoiled — rather fun.

            Since conservatives by definition hate even themselves, let the fest roll on!
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      • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

        .
        YOU have Frank Lombards though?

        What’s “… Frank Lombards though …”?

        Does Frank want it back?

        Should you pass it around?

        PS — I’m quite confident that Frank Lombard is responsible for Frank Lombard.

        And, theres isn’t anyone on the planet defending Frank Lombard’s behavior — violence, in this case, towards a minor — which had nothing to do with sex, sexuality, or sexual partner preference.
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  • http://www.facebook.com/john.brown.7965692 John Brown

    Way to make fun of that guy for getting molested Mehta you piece of $hit coward. What’s he supposed say, go with the flow, or that he liked being molested? I bet you wouldn’t shoot your mouth off like that to his face or that gay guy would be kickin your @ss.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.brown.7965692 John Brown

    Way to make fun of that guy for getting molested Mehta you piece of $hit coward. What’s he supposed say, go with the flow, or that he liked being molested? I bet you wouldn’t shoot your mouth off like that to his face or that former gay guy would be kickin your @ss.

  • D. Elder

    Most of the gay men I know were molested by older gay men when they were about 12 or 13 years of age. What would you extrapolate from that….that they were pedophiles? Give me a break.

    • http://www.peterblaise.com/ peterblaise

      .
      Too many “they”s.

      Consensual sex is defined as between two people on the same side of the “of age” barrier.

      You are writing about pedifiles when you wrte about an adult and a child, and that is violence, not sex.
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