More Annoying Things Some Christians Do in Restaurants

At the Her.meneutics blog, Karen Swallow Prior talks about #Tip-ocalypse and the other annoying things many Christians do when eating out:

Tipping isn’t the only thing that makes some Christian bad witnesses in eating establishments. Alcohol is another. Many American Christians consider abstention from alcohol as a mark of strong faith—but some of these seem also to think that dramatic displays of that abstention in restaurants are a further sign of faithfulness.

One student tells me that when she waitressed, it was common for some customers to put all the wine glasses on their table upside down before a server even arrived there as if to say, “Don’t even come NEAR me with that devil juice!” My parents once arranged to meet with church friends at a restaurant. Their friends chose the location because they refuse to patronize a restaurant that serves alcohol. Later, my mother wondered where they buy their groceries. And another student server tells this story:

One Sunday afternoon, I asked a lady, “What can I get you to drink today?” and she looked horrified and said, “I don’t drink! I am a Christian, and it is Sunday, and my goodness it is 12:30 in the afternoon!” And after an awkward silence, her husband said, “I’d like a Diet Coke…”

You have to wonder why the Christians who do this sort of thing frequent places they can’t handle. If you don’t know how to tip (or refuse to do so properly), don’t visit a place where it’s customary. If you don’t like alcohol, stay out of restaurants, bars, grocery stores, and — do I have to say it? — churches. (Jesus was made out of tasty, tasty wine, after all…) If you are going to cause a disturbance with kids or a large group, don’t go to a place where people come to talk quietly with their company.

Above anything else, it’s just disrespectful. Which should come as no shock to those of us who see how Christian Love translates to our LGBT friends.

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About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the chair of Foundation Beyond Belief and a high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago. He began writing the Friendly Atheist blog in 2006. His latest book is called The Young Atheist's Survival Guide.

  • SC

    I’m not a christian, but I don’t drink. I will often turn over wine glasses. I’ll do the same with coffee cups. I just think it’s a simple way to communicate.

    • Gus Snarp

      Yeah, I don’t see the problem with this bit. I’ve often seen upside down coffee cups used as a simple, quiet way of letting the server know you won’t be drinking coffee, I see no reason the same can’t be done with the wine glass. It’s certainly more subtle than making a big verbal reaction over it when someone offers you wine.

    • S

      I agree, when I go to places that serve alcohol. I can’t drink because I get violently ill at just the smell of the stuff. I do the same when I don’t want coffee. Sometimes its good because that way the waitress knows not to bring the pot over, which can be great if the place is packed.
      A place where I used to work actually preset the tables with the mugs upside down and if the clients wanted coffee, they just had to turn it over: its a great way to communicate what you want without screaming.

      But the woman who screeched after the ‘like to drink’ comment was a little out of line, though.

      • raytheist

        plus, setting the table with the cups/mugs upside down helps ensure the cup is clean when someone actually does want to use it, versus wondering how long it’s been sitting upright collecting dust.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Dharmaworks David Benjamin Patton

      I’ve never heard of any places – at least here in the USA where an upright wine glass means to hurry on over with a bottle of vino. MOST restaurants have wine glasses – or goblets – on the table for WATER. If you want wine to drink then you have to ask for a wine list or ask for a bottle or glass of wine specifically.

      I thought this article was going to go into more detail about some of the crap christians pull when it comes to tipping.

    • Ida Know

      It upsets me to think that turning over a glass or mug makes the server think I’m a fundy. I never even dreamed of that. Ewwww. I’m not a fundy (or a theist of any kind), I just don’t like the taste of alcohol.

      Hopefully the fact that I tip reasonably generously helps get rid of the fundy cooties.

    • The Captain

      And what exactly are you communicating? Seriously, if you leave your wine glasses and coffee cups upright does wine and coffee suddenly appear in them? I don’t drink coffee and I have never had a server just walk up and without asking pour me a cup. Never! They politely ask, and I politely say “no thank you”. If you know of a restaurant where wine suddenly appears in your glass, by all means let me know I need to go there.

      What you are really “communicating” is that you feel you are too good to speak to your server. You are saying “don’t even ask me… I’m too good to answer you”. when you do crap like that. You either look like a snob who’s too good to talk be “bothered” by someone trying to serve you, or you’re just trying to show out to the rest of the restaurant on how much better you think you are then them.

      • baal

        I’ve been to a number of formal lunches and dinners with non-religious and religious folks alike and it’s not uncommon to move plates out of the way, cups and glasses upside down and otherwise make clear that a utensil or dish is unnecessary or ready for removal. I’ve also seen wait staff leave behind a fork or spoon intentionally when you do need it for a later course or fix other screw ups on the part of the patrons. That’s also normal.

        Less formal settings generally don’t follow the formal model but it’s hardly unusually and doesn’t necessarily signal christian. It might suggest someone is following the formal behavior set when it doesn’t make sense.

        There is nothing of the snobby elitism you’re suggesting.

        I haven’t read the linked article so I’m not commenting about anything other than what’s in the post here.

      • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

        At my local diner, if you turn the coffee cup upright it will get filled with coffee when a server breezes by. Depends where you live, I think, but some places *do* auto-fill if the glass or cup is upright.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597605006 Mary Driftwood

          Coffee, maybe, but wine? Wine tends to be expensive at restaurants, so it’s good form for the servers to *ask* before pouring.

          • fsm

            Not to mention the ID check requirement.

          • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

            That’s a fair point and I agree that it seems silly since alcohol is generally asked about before serving and not assumed like coffee. However, if all the customers are doing is flipping the glasses over I fail to see what’s so outrageous. Now if they make a show of flipping over the glass and snootily announcing to no one that gives a damn that they don’t drink because Jesus, well, that’s rude for a whole other reason than just turning over the glass.

            Some establishments serve water in wine glasses at the table. I have a sensitivity issue when drinking certain tap waters because of what they’re treated with so I generally avoid drinking water at restaurants and will turn over those glasses because I don’t see the point in wasting water that I’m not going to drink.

            I guess my main point is what I stated above: I don’t see flipping a glass over to be some sort of outrageous affront unless the person doing it is also being a preachy asshat and then it’s still not the glass flipping, it’s the preaching and attitude that’s the problem.

      • Kimpatsu

        Interestingly, one Xian pastor in England who turns over the wine glass the instant he sits down in a restaurant told me that he orders his flock to do the same as it removes the temptation to order alcohol when the server arrives. That implies he’s secretly a raging alcoholic who needs negative reinforcement, like snapping a rubber band on his wrist, lest he become the Mayor of Casterbridge.

    • eric

      I do the same thing with coffee cups. Never heard of people doing it with wine glasses before.
      It makes sense as a reasonable social cue, IF someone at your table has already ordered wine or if you’re in a banquet where service might be automatic. But outside those circumstances, the chances of a restaurant giving you wine you didn’t ask for has to be close to zero. So this is something of a solution in search of a problem.

    • Edmond

      I like to think of my larynx as a simple way to communicate.

  • Gus Snarp

    For the record, at my church growing up we had grape juice for communion. The Catholic, Episcopal, and Lutheran churches pretty strictly require wine at communion, not all churches do and many, especially those who consider alcohol consumption to be a sin, go with grape juice. I’ve seen this in Methodist, Baptist, and Mormon churches. Where they got the idea that drinking is a sin given how much Jesus seems to have encouraged wine consumption, I’ve no idea.

    • Eric

      I can understand why you would want to use grape juice so as not to exclude anyone who doesn’t drink for personal reasons and still symbolize wine, but how to reconcile that if you also believe alcohol is evil but still recognize its symbolic significance to your savior? Unless your version of the bible replaces any mention of wine with “grape juice”. I have never heard of a bible like that.

      • Gus Snarp

        You were expecting Christianity to make sense?

    • Blacksheep

      Many churches serve grape juice because if someone is an alcoholic even that little bit of wine can be a trigger.

      • http://boldquestions.wordpress.com/ Ubi Dubium

        Yes, the church I grew up going to were specific that they served grape juice out of consideration for the alcoholics in the congregation, not because wine was evil. (But they were Presbyterian so they weren’t big on declaring anything “eeeeevil”.)

      • Guest

        Many churches are just like “fuck you” and require you eat the wheat cracker, even if you’re gluten intolerant, or allergic to wheat, and others require you to drink wine, alcoholic or not. Do these things, or go to hell. Your personal problems are just that–yours.

      • Gus Snarp

        That would be nice. Others eschew wine because of anti-alcohol doctrine.

        My nephew has fetal alcohol syndrome. His birth parents were violent and abusive drunks. He has a complete terror of alcohol as he believes it turns people into horrible monsters. Just the smell of wine makes him quiver in fear. His parents are devout Catholics and, sadly, Catholic priests are not nearly as thoughtful as you suggest other churches can be, which has basically caused him not to be able to partake in any of the Catholic coming of age ceremonies and such. No great loss from my viewpoint, but from his family’s, it’s tragic.

    • allein

      I was raised Methodist. One of my favorite parts of church was communion because we had grape juice and real, fresh bread. I don’t know what the reasoning for the grape juice instead of wine was. (We also got our juice in individual little shot glasses, and I thought the fancy trays they used were cool, with a slot for each glass; the first time I encountered communion at a Catholic church, with everyone drinking from the same cup, I was kinda grossed out.)

      • Gus Snarp

        John Wesley was strongly opposed to alcohol, so it became a part of the doctrine of the Methodist church. Methodists were strong advocates for prohibition. It’s definitely a serious doctrinal point for the church. Methodists actually have a much better time squaring with the Bible because they just don’t bother, they take the view that it’s chock full of metaphor and symbolism and everything is subject to interpretation. Which has made many Methodist churches very liberal today, even thought the history of the church is very strict (it’s the church in Footloose, and some branches are still like that, though mine never were).

        • allein

          Heh, shows how much we learned of church history in confirmation class. Guess nobody ever told my parents about that part, either. ;)

      • Tainda

        I was the same way when I was young! I loved the grape juice and the shot glasses were cool. I went to RLDS churches

  • Matthew Booth

    I hope your advice about not knowing when to tip doesn’t apply to foreigners. I’m a paid-up baby-eating atheist, but I find the most stressful part of any visit to the US is tipping. I have no idea who I am supposed to tip, when, how, or how much. It’s all incredibly confusing and not written down anywhere. Sort it out, people!

    • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

      Generally, it’s really just sit-down restaurants, bars, casinos… anywhere where the server comes to where you are, at your convenience. Places like walk-up counters, fast food restaurants… not so much.

      Some places, for example most Dunkin’ Donuts fast food restaurants, don’t even allow their employees to receive tips (because they already make enough, so screw ‘em, I guess).

      • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

        What about taxis? What about all the various people in the hotel? I’m an American and I have no clue what to tip most of the time. I pulled a pedi-cab for a short time. We were not allowed to set a rate, we could only work for tips. And customers had no idea what to pay, and I didn’t know how to suggest, and I hated trying to. It would have been a fun weekend extra job, but that aspect killed it for me. Well, that and the way to make money is to act like it’s really hard work so people feel sorry for you and tip you more. As a self respecting cyclist, I could not pretend that it was really all that difficult to pull a heavy load. You just go slower.

        • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

          I was only thinking about places that serve food. Yeah, I totally forgot about all those, and more, I’m sure. Yeah, there needs to be a guide or a cheat sheet of some sort for who to tip, when, how much…

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597605006 Mary Driftwood

          Heh. I work at a hotel desk, and I would *love* it if people tipped me. They almost never do, though. I do feel very strongly that people should always tip housekeeping, though. Their job is hard and often gross, and they barely ever make more than minimum wage.

        • Gus Snarp

          Yeah, that stuff gets really confusing. I only recently learned of the notion of tipping housekeeping at a hotel, which I now do because they clearly work their asses off and are underpaid.

          Cabs I usually just tip a few bucks, valet two or three bucks, a bellman who takes my bags to my room a dollar a bag or three dollars, whichever is greater (since I only use the bellman when I have the whole family, dollar a bag is usually greater). I have no idea if any of this is enough, but as a general rule, always tip at least two dollars, and for most of that stuff the fact that you bothered makes you better than many.

          But what about the pizza delivery driver? Worst tipping problem ever. The restaurant is charging me a delivery fee, but they don’t give that to the driver, I assume he gets an hourly rate, but I don’t know. Used to be they also got a fixed mileage fee to cover vehicle expenses and a driver with a very efficient car could actually clean up on the mileage fee. I’ve always tipped them, but it used to be two or three bucks. Now I err toward twenty percent of the bill, but I don’t know what’s right. I do know I order a lot of pizza from the same place, and I want the people who deliver it happy with me.

    • http://twitter.com/LorriTiger243 Rebel

      http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g191-s606/United-States:Tipping.And.Etiquette.html

      This is helpful for everyone, not just foreigners. I know a ton of people who don’t tip adequately in their everyday lives.

      • Gus Snarp

        Having friends who waited tables in an area with a large number of foreign tourists, this was a serious problem. Some restaurants took to putting a brief explanation of tipping in the front of the menu, others just added gratuity to every check, which many Americans find insulting. I had an Italian boss who refused to tip, no matter how many times we explained that servers are not paid the way they are in Italy and need the money to make up the difference, so when she took us out to eat we would let her leave the table first and then quietly leave the tip.

    • eric

      Just my opinion, but 10% is generally considered too low in most restaurants nowadays, while 20% is going to be considered more generous than necessary just about anywhere in the US. 15-18% is probably considered normal (at least in major cities). If you go to eat with a big party (6 or more people), many restaurants will automatically add an 18% tip to the bill.

      It is also common (but by no means universal) to tip for valet service (both car and baggage carrying), taxi service, massage services, manicure, pedicure, sometimes a hair cut, and hotel cleaning (once; typically at the end of the visit). For most of those non-restaurant tips people typically round to some even dollar amount that seems reasonable for the service, rather than calculating a specific percent.

    • Question Everything

      http://www.tipping.org/tips/us.html is helpful to me, and I live in the US. There are other pages out there as well (and be warned, I use ad blockers, not sure what this page might come up with without those…)

  • kent_eh

    Customer: “I don’t drink! I am a Christian”

    Waiter(ess): Ok, let me get this water glass out of your way…

    • http://twitter.com/ylaenna M. Elaine

      Should have served her some vinegar on a sponge.

    • http://twitter.com/ylaenna M. Elaine

      Should have served her vinegar on a sponge.

  • C Peterson

    When we eat in Colorado Springs, it is common to encounter people at the next table praying- often loudly enough to be annoying. Once, we encountered an older pastor pretty obviously putting the moves on a young military wife- simultaneously disturbing and amusing.

    • sfd4304

      This happens often where I live. My favorite is when it is a small group and someone stands to loudly lead their table/group in prayer and other random people around the restaurant will bow their heads. Weird.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

        Where the hell do you live?

        • sfd4304

          In the Raleigh NC area, near a seminary

    • newavocation

      I remember one time when a group of Xians prayed loudly over their 800 calorie Five Guys burgers, but they didnt mention anything about praying to keep heart attacks away.

  • Michael

    This story is stretching it a bit… Based on the title, I was expecting something juicy. This is rather hum-drum.

  • Rman44

    This is absurd! If the Bible is true – it isn’t, but let’s just play along for the moment – then Christians should be reminded that Jesus was once at a party and throughout the evening he turned jugs of water into wine. So, obviously there was a lot of drinking and he wasn’t only okay with it, he was the caterer.

    • The Other Weirdo

      Don’t some Christians translate that to mean that he continuously replicated water and not wine? “Water, five degrees Celsius,” every few minutes would have done it, I think.

      • Darwin’s Dagger

        If Jesus was a replicator he would have made Tea, Earl Grey, Hot.

        • Kimpatsu

          That’s because Jesus is clearly English.

        • Bdole

          I don’t often drink but when I do, it’s always a Pan Galactic Gargleblaster.

      • Conspirator

        I think some Christians claim that what was called wine back then was not the same as what we call wine now and that it wasn’t alcoholic.

        • Mario Strada

          They would be full of it. True, in those days wine was watered down. Because water was pretty much deadly, everyone drank some form of grog. Certainly it was not Cabernet or Amarone the way we drink it today. Wine was spiced and watered down, but it was still wine. It still had alcohol.

    • Baby_Raptor

      I’ve heard Pastors swear during sermons that Jesus did NOT turn water into wine, he turned it into Welches Grape Juice. They had various excuses for why the bible actually says wine, but the bible is wrong.

      • Rman44

        Wow, what an awesome religion: any pastor can say whatever inane psychobabble he wants and hundreds will believe it because he knows the truth (after all, he is a pastor!), even more so than the Bible he claims is his manual for life!

      • Lauren

        Not true. If that wine wasn’t alcoholic and just grape juice than there wouldn’t have been a need for scripture asking believers not to get drunk on it. The Bible talked about moderation and drunkeness being the sin as it can lead you to do dumb things when drunk…but, fact remains the Bible okays drinking in moderation.

  • Mattir

    I don’t drink alcohol and often find intoxicated people somewhat aggravating and/or boring – may I please go to restaurants, bars and grocery stores despite this severe personal flaw? Do I get to hang out at hotel bar for the after-hours discussion at secular/atheist conferences? I guess not. I’ll be in my hotel room, grieving my sad, sad, ethanol-free life and trying to figure out why I’m apparently exiled from both the silly non-drinking churchgoing world AND the intelligent secular community.

    Seriously, Hemant, this was a really incredibly stupid thing to write.

    • Question Everything

      I don’t drink alcohol while out either, and when someone asks what I’d like to drink, I assume they mean liquids, not booze, unlike what the post was citing (“I don’t drink! I am a Christian, and it is Sunday, and my goodness it is 12:30 in the afternoon!”). Even at the establishments I sometimes visit with friends or coworkers that may also try to give me intoxicating items, it’s still cool. No one gives me grief for saying “Diet Pepsi” when asked about a drink, other than die-hard Coke drinkers.

      If you find intoxicated people aggravating, don’t hang out with people who drink to excess.. but that doesn’t mean avoiding anyone who drinks at all, parties, etc, etc. You can find balance between ‘no drink’ and ‘drunk’ people around you.

      • Mattir

        That’s not what Hemant said. He said, verbatim, “If you don’t like alcohol, stay out of…”.

        Most of the time, no one gives me the slightest grief about not drinking, but I do get quite provoked with the occasional “if you don’t like alcohol, stay out of…” rhetoric.

        It was a poor choice of words, not much more, but such phrasing, along with the subtle “if you don’t drink, you’re a conservative prude” idea, actually affects members of the secular community who don’t drink quite a bit.

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          I get tired of the alcohol privilege as well. I suspect it’s a little like the meat eating privilege. I don’t care if other people around me drink, and nobody bugs me about not drinking. But there is a pervasive almost reverence for alcohol that I just don’t get.

          • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

            I don’t drink either, and I run into that from time to time. It’s like people are offended that I have no interest in alcohol since I don’t have a good “excuse” not to be. I had someone make a snide comment at Christmas about it!

    • RobMcCune

      Do you boldly proclaim that you don’t drink to any and all that will listen, even if you haven’t been offered alcohol? If not you’re probably not an annoying christian.

  • Alexandra

    That article is actually pretty annoying. She talks about the fact that “religious folks out-give the general population time and time again. We know that Christians are among the most benevolent and philanthropic demographic groups.” Counting tithes as anything but membership fees always chaps my ass.

    • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

      At least Muslims give Zakāt directly to their local community.

    • Baby_Raptor

      Lying is what they do best.

  • José Camacho

    One of my former co-workers leaves “The Holy Trinity” as a tip–always. Three dollars, laid in a cross. Pretty petty.

  • http://twitter.com/SerafineLaveaux Serafine Laveaux

    I had an Xtian stiff me once back when I waited tables in college. He actually called for the manager and told him he was not leaving me a tip because I “stared lewdly and unseemly” at him. I was like, um I’m 19 and you’re 104, don’t flatter yourself gramps. I guess when I looked him in the eye to take his order it offended him.

    • jdm8

      Sounds like someone that either doesn’t get out very often or ended up finding a maximally rude excuse to avoid tipping.

    • Ibis3

      Looking him in the eye was way too uppity. And by that I mean slutty.

    • JohnnieCanuck

      When a member of the serving classes forgets her place and dares to raise her gaze to meet the eyes of her betters, she must be put in her place.

      Besides, it prevents him from staring at her breasts for as long as he feels like. When she looks at him, it’s as if she is aware of his unseemly thoughts.

  • Blacksheep

    “Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.

    Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”

    They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

    • baal

      How is this relevant? I’m assuming you heard ‘xtian’ and ‘wine’ so any bible verse with wine in it counts? There is a long history of getting confused about what’s the water glass? You believe in Magic? Drunk people are idiots for confusing water with wine when drunk? Your mis-use of prepositions makes it unclear who is complaining about sitting on the good stuff?

      • Blacksheep

        It’s relevent because Christians who are against drinking in any form may have forgotten that Christ’s first miracle was to turn water into wine at a wedding.

        Not clear on your other points. This is from The Bible, I didn’t write it.

  • Stonyground

    I seem to recall a case where some Christians left behind fake banknotes with religious tracts printed on the back, some crap about the ‘Good News’ being more valuable than money.

    • jdm8

      That’s the Christian dick move tip. It costs them nothing, lets them pretend they’re doing a good deed, and their wishful thinking is useless to pay for rent, gas, food, etc.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    It’s an interesting article, but near the ending was not that good because of the following false quote.

    “We know, from study after study, that religious folks out-give the general population time and time again. We know that Christians are among the most benevolent and philanthropic demographic groups. Something is at stake here than mere stinginess.”

  • The Other Weirdo

    I remember a story in “1001 Nights” where the stereotype that the Jew was a doctor and the Christian was the drunken missionary(I think). Take from that what you will.

  • ecolt

    I was in New Orleans for Mardi Gras last year, and there is a very large and very loud Christian group that parades down Bourbon St every night proclaiming that we are all sinners and Jesus will judge us. To which many in the crowd yelled out reminding them that Jesus turned water into wine, so obvious he wouldn’t have minded the party all that much.

  • http://godless.biz Andrew Skegg

    I wonder what they think of communion?

  • splodie

    I am a “raging alcoholic,” as someone put it. In some situations I will turn my wine glass over. Higher end restaurants will serve the whole table from the purchased bottle. I turn my glass over as an unobtrusive signal to the waiter. Don’tcare who else is drinking wine as long as I’m driving them home. :-) I’ve done this for the 21 years I’ve been sober. Never been an issue.

  • DougI

    I used to work at a buffet place and we’d get a big Sunday crowd. The place charged kids 50 cents per year, up to age 12 and so many times the kids would correct the Christian parents and say there were really 10, not 8 or something similar. We had a millionaire JW couple who would never tip but would leave religious propaganda. I had a Catholic co-worker and one Christian intentionally put the anti-Catholic Chick tract just to upset her.

    People often treat waitstaff as trash because they are on some power trip and buy into the BS that the “customer is always right”. The Christians are doubly worse because they treat the staff like trash and feel some divine right in doing so.

    • Edmond

      Hah, I remember BEING the kid who corrected my parents about my age, for instance at the movie theater. But then, my family was not religious in any way. I don’t really see anything wrong with a little “white lie” to get kids in for a cheaper price. These things are expensive! Every little loophole helps.

      HOWEVER, if your worldview, or your lifestyle, or your personal relationship with the supernatural or whatever FORBIDS lying, then there’s no excuse. If you’re committed to being truthful and honest at all times under the command of the all-knowing, ever-watchful Lord King Of All Creation, whom you worship and revere and obey, then paying the extra $1.50 should be an HONOR. Your financial sacrifices in THIS world are MORE than offset by your rewards in the next. Christians who weasel out of such honest payments (while their CHILDREN embarrass them by reminding them of their true obligations), either need to admit that they’re willfully JEOPARDIZING their eternal rewards just to save a few cents, or they need to admit that they don’t truly believe their own BS and that they’ll lie whenever it’s convenient.
      Or I suppose there’s a third option, that God doesn’t really CARE if people are honest or not.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    Making a show of praying. If it’s not hosted on church grounds, that’s just rude and disruptive. If you simply must pray, can’t you do it quietly or, like, in your head?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joshua.pierce.75 Joshua Pierce

    Her article is funny, but she actually gets some of her statistics wrong. She links to two studies that claim christians are more charitable than secular individuals. The first study by The Chroncile of Philanthropy points out that if you discount for religious tithing as charitable giving then the secular community does better.

    I would assume the second study also includes charitable works and givings that are church based that aren’t necessarily community based.

    When you count cleaning the church as charitable work, and giving the church money as a charitable donation, it is no wonder why the religious seem more charitable. But when you look at who is giving to organizations to help the needy and who is working down at the soup kitchen I am not surprised if you find many more secular individuals than these studies account for, and maybe even the majority of individuals.

  • Elena

    “One student tells me that when she waitressed, it was common for some customers to put all the wine glasses on their table upside down before a server even arrived there as if to say, “Don’t even come NEAR me with that devil juice!”

    • Elena

      Okay, can’t seem to find any edit button on this. In any case, I meant to add: That sounds like a horrendously overstated way to actively search for something to be offended over.

  • ABinFL

    I was so relieved to see how truly “friendly” most of the people are at this sight, including Hemant himself. As a follower of Christ, it is becoming increasingly more difficult to find such “friendly” folks. Seriously, try to make an intelligent, honest comment where the truth of Christianty and Christ Himself is concerned. The sort of behavior cited in this piece is reserved for Christians who have a long way to go in maturing in the faith. There is nothing in the Bible that forbids anyone from enjoying a glass of wine with their dinner. The sin is in getting hammered. As a Christian, what tweeks me is that the same immature Christian who is aghast at the idea of a glass of wine has no problem tying on the feedbag and committing the sin which often accompanies drunkenness in the Bible, that being gluttony. It tweeks me because it does not reflect well on Christ.

    It is actually heartbreaking when non-believers like Rman44 cite Bible passages without understanding what he is reading. A lack of knowledge of the context twists and distorts the truth.

    I challenge any and all to make a sincere, intellectually honest investigation of the facts based on what the Bible says rather than look to other imperfect human beings on which to base your conclusions as to the veracity of the the bible and the Christ of the Bible. My atheist friends, please answer one question…are you really so obtuse believing that from nothing, suddenly the universe, planet earth, humanity and everything else in creation just came into being. God has revealed Himself through His creation. God has spoken to His creation through His Son, Jesus Christ. God continues to draw people to Himself by the Spirit. Go ahead, dare God to prove Himself in your life. If you are humble enough to accept the truth, He WILL do it.

  • kaydenpat

    What percentage of Americans are Christians? I’ve never heard that Christians as a whole avoid restaurants because they serve alcohol or that Christians as a whole don’t tip well. Are there statistics to back up this post? And what does Christianity have to do with large groups and kids in quiet places?

  • Lauren

    I myself am a Christian and also a former server. I find it pretty disheartening to say that the worst crowd to deal with as a waitress is the Sunday church crowd. No denial here, a lot of them are awful. Horrible tippers (if they tip at all), rude, impatient and would give the waitresses a hard time about working on Sunday but they’re the ones filling up these establishments to eat and be waited on by them.

    They’re not all like that, but a good majority of the Sunday lunch crowd are. Which, like I said, is disheartening to me.


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