Forget Hell

(In response to this post)

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Matthew graduated Louisiana State University in 2009 with a BA in studio art and a minor in art history. He has been drawing cartoons and comics online for several years.

  • Rain

    The explanation is that eternal pain and suffering is okay because it’s a punishment. This relies on the incredibly stupid equivocation between punishment and eternal pain and suffering.

    Here’s how we get from point A to point B: Punishment -> HUGE GIGANTIC FREAKING SLIPPERY SLOPE -> eternal pain and suffering. Ergo, punishment is just the same as eternal pain and suffering, so it’s okay. Religious logic 101.

  • Glasofruix

    Reminds me of this

  • Question Everything

    I’ve always wondered this – let’s say some flavor of religion which includes both eternal paradise and eternal torment is true. Further assume that a parent is of this religion, and has a child of a different religion, none at all, or sins even while a believer to such a point that they are eternally punished.

    The parent goes to their eternal paradise – an eternity of knowing they will never again see their child, and further knowing that for that same eternity, the child is being subjected to torment not only worse than we imagine, but worse than we can imagine.

    How is even the eternal paradise still ‘paradise’ in that case? Do potentially painful memories get excised when the believer dies? I know if I lost all memories of, say, my brother, I’d be a different existence than I am now. So it wouldn’t be ‘me’ anymore even in the memories-removed case.

  • indorri

    Augustine and his successors the Reformers had a simple answer for this one: those in heaven will see the suffering of the damned and rejoice, because in their heavenly state they will finally understand the justice of God and will acknowledge that those in hell deserve their suffering. It will actually amplify their joy.

    Any wonder why I think those who believe in hell are damaged beings?

  • Question Everything

    Yeah, I’d heard that before, and agree – feeling joy at seeing loved ones’ (or even random strangers’) eternal torment with no possibility of reform / getting out, that’s sick stuff, definitely damaged beings. So I didn’t think it was a good answer, even if it was simple.

    At least systems that use limbo or reincarnation instead are more like jail, temporary to punish and reform the person so they can eventually get to the eternal paradise section.

  • advancedatheist

    I’ve wondered why people expect to see departed friends and relatives in heaven when they die. What if they didn’t really like you or miss you that much in the first place, and you play a role in their version of hell?