The Creation Museum’s Ken Ham is Asking His Followers to Pray for Me

You guys, Ken Ham‘s not happy with me.

All I did was call him a liar and a bad teacher (because he’s a liar and a bad teacher), and he’s upset! So upset that he wants his followers to pray for me.

Wouldn’t you just love your children to go to the school in the Chicago area where Hemant Mehta would be their math teacher…

He wants to teach your children atheism and drag them to Hell. His anger against and intolerance of those who teach children the truth of God’s Word is often shown on his blog.

It’s true, it’s true. Somehow, Ham must have gotten ahold of my notes for class…

Interestingly enough, he has nothing to say about the substance of my critique. Only that I’m an atheist and, therefore, not someone worth taking seriously. (And I use bad words, so BEWARE!)

(Thanks to Reynold for the link)

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • http://twitter.com/KevinSagui Kevin Sagui

    Ah, so *that’s* how you plan on using your math class to indoctrinate impressionable young children into atheism! Well played, sir.

    • kevin white

      Hemant’s my hero, yo.

  • C Peterson

    Well, when a substantial portion of your audience isn’t just functionally illiterate, but inumerate as well, I guess math teachers are pretty threatening. I’ll bet a lot of his followers thought their high school math teachers had designs to “drag them to Hell”!

    Judging by the letters from the Bible Belt that get published every month by the FFRF, I’m going to guess that a good many of the prayers being offered are for your death, sickness, or disturbing rectal probes. But since we all know how effective prayer is, I think you can sleep easily.

  • Matt

    Ken Ham. Implies “bad words” are scarier than warning 30,000+ humans that math teachers are sending their kids to hell.

    • kevin white

      Oh no, not the BAD WORDS!. Hell, i live right on the buckle of the damn bible belt and i hear that once or twice a day. (And i’m not even a math teacher.)

    • http://twitter.com/jordan_olsen26 Jordan Olsen

      I’m sure anyone who takes Ken Ham seriously has been home schooling their kids anyway.

      Subjects include:
      Old Testament
      New Testament
      Circular Reasoning
      History from 4000 BC to the Apocalypse in Our Life Time

      Can you say ‘automatic Valedictorian’?

      • kevin white

        Sounds like Seminary. *Shudders.*

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    These people really can’t imagine that we’re not all using the schools to surreptitiously brainwash their children, can they? You’re an atheist, therefore you must be teaching atheism. This is not logical. (What does mathematical atheism look like, anyway?) But it probably flows from the fact that so many of them want to force their beliefs into schools, so naturally they believe we must have the same plan. Or maybe it’s just that to these people “secular” means “an evil atheist plot to overthrow traditional American values and destroy the country.” If you’re not religious, you’re bad. It’s a very binary way of thinking.

    I have to admit, I really admire the way they pick up words used by liberals and try to reformulate them for their purposes. The use of “intolerance” here is amusing, all things considered. If you’re against real science being taught in schools, then you’re intolerant. Of course. They’re good at that sort of thing. Too bad they’re not good at teaching children the truth about anything beyond “God’s word.”

    • JasmynMoon

      Math atheism is nothing but zeros to remind children that nothing is there.

      • coyotenose

        This line needs to be enshrined on the main page.

    • Also

      Really, they need to get a different spelling for the kind of “truth” that can’t be demonstrated or proven. Maybe “trooth” would work. Go ahead and use that, xians. I’m giving it to you.

      • Bad_homonym

        Check out truthiness in wiki. Works pretty well for the truths these folks wish were backed by evidence instead of emotion.

        • CultOfReason

          Ugh, I should have read ahead. You beat me to it (and by only 17 hours).

      • CultOfReason

        Stephen Colbert already came up with a good word:

        Truthiness: a quality characterizing a “truth” that a person claims to know intuitively “from the gut” or because it “feels right” without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

  • LutherW

    2+2=4 and other stuff that does not require faith. Before long you will be applying such stuff to physics, talking gravity and the Sun not revolving around the Earth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brian.westley Brian Westley

    Wow, you’re taking your students to Norway? That’s very cool.

  • http://twitter.com/Don_Gwinn Don_Gwinn

    To be fair, I’ve said before that we’re all going to get into a lot of trouble if we insist on dragging students to hell. Frankly, it seems unnecessary, but you know how the bureaucracy is, what with Common Core and all.

  • ortcutt

    If God had intended us to learn math, he would have made us without innate statistical cognitive biases.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carol.lynn.710 Carol Lynn

      I am so stealing that! Thanks.

    • baal

      I made it through 3rd year calc at university and still can’t do stats to save my life unless I have a stats text book to consult.

  • Bdole

    Hey, praying for you is better than issuing a fatwa against you.

    • blasphemous_kansan

      It depends what they’re praying for.

      • Bdole

        They can pray to their vindictive skydaddy all they want, nothing’s gonna happen. But, Islam is a do-it-yourself kind of belief system. Sometimes shit actually hits the fan.
        (I guess that would make Mohammed the Bob Villa of prophets?)

        • Dezzydez

          I consider Christianity in the U.S. Islam light. Thankfully our secular laws keep christian fundies from copying Islam.

        • coyotenose

          More of a Bob the Builder, I’d say. Only without the plausibility.

        • blasphemous_kansan

          >>”But, Islam is a do-it-yourself kind of belief system.”
          LOL, that’s seriously good!

    • http://twitter.com/docslacker MD

      Unfortunately, doctors who provide abortions in the U.S. run the risk being shot at. But it has nothing, NOTHING to do with preachers talking about how foetuses have to be protected not matter what, and so on. No Siree.

      • Bdole

        I agree it’s a matter of degree not of kind. Still, I’d rather be an infidel in the US than in the Middle East ….or a woman, or gay, or of a minority religion, or Jewish, or, or, or….

  • http://www.facebook.com/usman.bello.125 Usman Bello

    At least we now know why the comments thread for that post suddenly became so engulfed in creationist blather.

    • Gus Snarp

      Wow, I just popped over there to check those comments. It’s truly infested. Not worth the time and effort. We’ll have to nuke the whole thing from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.

      • nakedanthropologist

        “Get away from my curriculum you hambitch!”

        • Gus Snarp

          Worst. Ripley paraphrase. Ever.

          ;)

          • kevin white

            I kinda liked it.

  • Gus Snarp

    Ham is so pathetic.

  • A3Kr0n

    Awwww… Ken notices you!

  • Aimster

    Yuck. Ken Ham is coming to a Christian Homeschooling Convention being held here in SoCal (DisneyLand!) later this spring. There was a brief discussion yesterday on a homeschooling group I belong to about upcoming conventions. I thanked the poster for the suggestion, but asked if anyone knew of any secular conventions, “because I just can’t give money to an organization where Ken Ham is getting paid to speak.” Someone replied with, “Sorry that you don’t like Ken Ham. I am LOVING his science curriculum!” What I WANTED to reply with, but didn’t, was: “I imagine a science curriculum from Ken Ham is much like a Shakespeare curriculum from Lil Jon. Enjoy!” UGH….remind me to remove myself from that homeschooling group.

    • Persephone

      Remove yourself from that homeschooling group.

    • Mackinz

      He’s coming to SoCal Disney? Time to plot his murder with my friend who works there. ;)

      • b s

        Be sure to set it up so the Mouse takes the fall.

        • Achron Timeless

          For this cause, I’d happily play martyr. =)

      • http://twitter.com/Don_Gwinn Don_Gwinn

        Easy, there, Kirk.

    • kevin white

      A few years back i got to meet Ken Ham. Needless to say, he scared the stuffing out of me. Just the way he carries himself proves him to be total batshit crazy. Needless to say, he was one of the reasons that i eventually gave up religion.

  • Donatello

    Bill Donahue, Laurie Higgins, Ken Ham. Your fan club grows bigger every day. Keep it up and maybe even the evil empire’s head honcho will notice you and give you a special mention in his Easter address: “Urbi et orbi et Hemant Mehta damnatus est.”

  • eestew

    Be careful, Hemant! Drag Me To Hell is a scary movie!

  • brian dean

    I think this is a step in the right direction. Ham’s post is the first I’ve seen (not that big a group) that actually has a link to the offending material.

  • Tainda

    Why would you want to bring your students to Missouri?

  • houndies

    bleah! It’s such an insult to have someone say “I’m praying for you.” It’s saying there’s something wrong with you because you aren’t like them, and they will pray that their god will manipulate you and control you until your life better suits them. It also negates the whole “freewill” concept.

    • http://twitter.com/enuma enuma

      Very frequently “I’m praying for you” is just code for, “Fuck you.”

      Since it technically doesn’t use a curse word (even though it’s obviously conveying a curse word sentiment), you can use this coded phrase while simultaneously patting yourself on the back for being a good person.

      • Aimster

        You’re right…between “I’m praying for you” and “Bless your heart,” the religious vernacular is chock full of ways to give someone a smile and a verbal middle finger at the same time.

  • Adam Thorn

    On the bright side some people that follow Ken will look at the article and maybe start on the path to atheism or at least not believing the batshitness that is ken ham.

  • Pureone

    His response is to lie and be a bad teacher? Mind. Not. Blown.

  • Matto the Hun

    Don’t worry Hemant. I’m cursing you to counter balance the prayer.

    Problem solved. What can I say, I’m a giver.

    • Bdole

      Just what we’d expect from someone who actually was dragged to Hell.

      • Bdole

        Odd, when I posted that, it showed Persephone as the commenter. Now, it’s Matto the Hun. That kinda spoiled my joke.

        • http://twitter.com/jordan_olsen26 Jordan Olsen

          Classic Mythology joke! Do one about Jesus!

  • dorcheat

    Ah, Ken Ham haz a sad. Hey Ken, we will think coherently and logically for you and your acolytes.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw m6wg4bxw

    We all know Hemant admitted to being part of an evil atheist conspiracy as a sarcastic response, but I won’t be surprised to see Hama-Lama-Ding-Dong take it and run with it.

    It’s unfortunate that the Center for Inquiry and Secular Student Alliance are considered to be “atheist organizations.” Secularism and inquiry is good for everyone. I wonder how common it is for groups like these to be associated with atheism.

  • NewDawn2006

    The organizations you are associated with obviously aren’t doing any good to anyone because they are “atheistic organizations”… And last I checked no one (except his christian friends” are allowed to discuss their beliefs in class, so what does he have to be concerned about?

  • Timothy Mitzel

    Christian Math….1(virgin) + 1(friendly ghost) = 1(magic baby)

    • viaten

      2 fish + 5 loaves = 5000 feed people + 12 baskets of leftovers

    • allein

      I always did hate word problems.

      Church sign on my way to work: Presumably it’s supposed to be
      “3 Nails + 1 Cross = Forgiven”
      Except that they don’t have a plus sign and their “equal sign” is actually a hyphen. So it says “3 Nails 1 Cross – Forgiven” which kinda conveys a different message, I think…

      • Drew M.

        That sounds like a shock bondage sex video.

    • TheBlackCat13

      3 = 1 + 1 +1 = 1

    • Beau Stoddard

      Evolution math……primordial soup (unknown) + 1 (lightning strike) = 30 million species. You can throw a few virgin births in there as well.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    It’s true, it’s true. Somehow, Ham must have gotten ahold of my notes for class…

    Remember, Hemant, these people are satirically challenged. I mean, since they take their silly magic book literally, they’re certainly going to take your satire literally.

  • Randomfactor

    Kenny’s going to be so upset when he finds out “god’s word” is really “evolution.”

  • beatonfam

    Hemant–anytime you want to stroll on up Rt. 53 to SD25 is fine by me as long as you promise to coach the math team.

  • Miss_Beara

    Atheist organizations! Boooo hisssss!

    Careful of the bad language, guys. His readers have delicate sensibilities. And 5+3=10. And there is such a place as hell.

    • viaten

      5+3 = 10? That’s “base eightly” correct. :-)

  • bruce

    hahahaha. I just left a comnent on ham’s page and it was deleted. guess I poised a question that they would not be able to answer so they wouldn’t want anyone to see. it was as follows….
    if god created all the heavens and earth, and all in it, why did he need a man’s rib to create woman. is she not part of all the heavens and earth and all that is in it?

  • GregFromCos

    Wow he actually linked to your post! I guess miracles do happen! :)

  • Edward Tarte

    I posted three courteous comments at Ken Ham’s site, challenging his assertion that Hemant tries to drag kids to hell, asking Ken to provide evidence to refute Hemant’s evidence that he (Ken) is not a good teacher, and asking Ken and his supporters why they worship a god who created and oversees a place of eternal torture. My comments have been removed, and I apparently have been blocked.

    • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

      So he’s not just a liar, he’s also a coward.

    • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

      I predicted as much on the other thread. Was that faith, or trust?

    • Aimster

      Did your polite questions begin with “Were you there?” :-)

    • Rain

      It’s normal for them to delete comments. They did it on their youtube page too. I don’t think they even allow comments at all on their youtube page any more.

    • Roger Peritone

      Same thing happened to me. You didn’t take screenshots perchance?

    • cipher

      Well, I tried leaving a comment. It’s as you guys say; they just keep deleting the comments that disagree with them. These people are addicts, every bit as much as alcoholics and drug addicts, and number one on the addict’s catechism is that no one is EVER allowed to tell them anything they don’t want to hear.

      I say it again: people so intellectually challenged and operating at so primitive a developmental level simply should not be voting.

  • Edward Tarte

    I posted three courteous comments at Ken Ham’s site, challenging his assertion that Hemant tries to drag kids to hell, asking Ken to provide evidence to refute Hemant’s evidence that he (Ken) is not a good teacher, and asking Ken and his supporters why they worship a god who created and oversees a place of eternal torture. My comments have been removed, and I apparently have been blocked.

  • SeekerLancer

    Oh no! Anything but that!

    I hope he keeps picking a fight with you, it brings more people to this blog. They might learn something.

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    As the “You may also like” suggests, even Pat Batshit Robertson thinks it’s time to give up on the young earth nonsense. When they’ve even lost Robertson, you can see why they’re in their desperate death throws. It’s like Wendy Wright saying “Where are these fossils?”

  • Baby_Raptor

    It amuses me that people still cry about “bad” words. Oh, no! Society arbitrarily decided that certain combinations of sounds are bad! Must throw a fit whenever someone says them!

    If you simply MUST get offended about something Joe Person said, look at their point. Words are sounds used because we can’t psychically share feelings. Getting caught up in the method of communication just shows that you have no substance. Ditto the idea that someone is unintelligent because they use words you happen to dislike.

    • allein

      Cue Tim Minchin’s Pope Song ;)

    • Roger Peritone

      Hah. You want to see AIG get really bent out of shape over “bad words”? Their cartoonist, Dan Lietha has invented a new logical fallacy over that on their facebook page:
      http://tinyurl.com/c5nu5yb

      • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

        Interesting they didn’t delete Nate Franklin’s comments. So they don’t do it as a matter of course. I suspect a) they were expecting pushback on that one, and planned to delete comments and b) any time the numbers show more support for the opposition, they’ll delete. They probably like a few comments that they can drum down.

      • Nohm

        I find this continued lack of understanding, shown by people like Dan Lietha, regarding what ad hominem really is to be annoying.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EYZCDG3OAPGD3PDG7XD7SM7OAM ElizabethS

    I bet you don’t drag ALL the children…some must go willingly. ;-)

  • anniewhoo

    “Wouldn’t you just love your children to go to the school in the Chicago area where Hemant Mehta would be their math teacher?” Why, as a matter of fact, I would! Just as long as you can lay off “targeting” non-theists to make donations to humanitarian efforts. Now that’s just crazy… getting people to give their money to help others! You should really use all of your resources to open up a math theme park instead.

    • coyotenose

      The square root of nine is WHEEEEEEE!

  • C’mon man

    I think Ken Hamm is a total d-bag and scumbucket, but honestly Hemant, why do you even get into this tit for tat nonsense?

    Seriously, you are just as guilty as promoting this little tiff between the two of you as he. So just stop with the petty sandbox shenanigans and be the bigger man.

    Don’t pay him any attention, and concentrate on being politically active.

    And you actual do the same thing as he by trying to appeal to your followers to get involved in this petty squabble.

    In the grand scheme of things, this is such small potatoes that you should be smart enough to see it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/park.james.102 Park James

      Your concern is duly noted, I’m sure.

    • coyotenose

      Because evil people never get stronger when left alone so they can expand their sphere of influence unchallenged. NEVER.

      Bullies also go away the second you don’t talk to them, because they secretly wanted to be your friend and now they’re too sad to continue,

      • Roger Peritone

        Damn straight. “coyotenose” has the right of it. Besides, just being “politically active” is all it really takes for the creationists and such to start going after you in the first place.

    • Baby_Raptor

      Uh, Fuck that.

      People who do bad things need to be called out.

  • coyotenose

    I love how the Piglet Poker cites Hemant’s credentials with a charity group as evidence that he’s evil.

    He linked to the post criticizing him? Surely he realizes that if his followers read your actual words, they might realize that he’s lying about lying?

  • http://www.facebook.com/travis.myers.102977 Travis Myers

    God is more like sqrt(-1). He’s imaginary.

    • RobMcCune

      Though i is actually use describing electricity, “Sin Bad! God SMASH!!!!” on the other hand, not so much.

  • Tim

    Ham’s facebook page is like a new level of crazy. I don’t know if I find it funny reading these people’s comments or be terrified that I share a speck of dust floating in space with them… and current warp technology (or lack thereof) prevents me from getting off.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001968716330 Harmony Seeker

    Did you see the way, he hinted to people that as a teacher Hemant is teaching about Atheism and dragging children to Hell? It’s like a hint to people to call and complain, he is probably used to Christian membership having its privileges. Little does he know that Hemsnt’s faculty is cool with him being an atheist. How in blazes is he supposed to teach about atheism while teaching math? Where would he find the time anyways?

  • Aspieguy

    I thought high school geometry WAS Hell. There’s an even worse place math teachers can take you?

  • McAtheist

    Henant, the pied piper of the math class.

  • cipher

    I never understand this sort of “reasoning”.

    > If you have free will, why would prayer be able to countermand it?

    > Why would a merciful, compassionate deity allow you to drag children to hell?

    > Why does such a deity need to be appealed to through the vehicle of prayer in the first place? Can’t he act without first being invoked?

    (“Invoked” being the operative term. These people think they believe in Biblical monotheism,. What they really believe in is magic.)

  • guest

    No, god is not like an asymptote… more like the square root of minus one
    …except that “i” is actually a useful concept in math & physics

  • Jamie Barros

    What is so bad about a prayer for you?


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