Oklahoma High School Has Ten Commandments Displays in Every Classroom… and One Atheist Student is Fighting Back

***Update***: I spoke with the atheist student and you can read more about him here.

The classrooms in Muldrow High School in Oklahoma (right near the border by Arkansas) all have plaques of the Ten Commandments hanging on the walls. For some reason that probably have everything to do with Tradition and our Christian Heritage and “We Live In Merkuh.”

Recently, a junior at the school contacted the Freedom From Religion Foundation and they contacted the school without exposing the student.

Somehow this has turned into a fight between Christians and the Constitution:

Students in support of the Commandments speak to a reporter

That reporter does an awful job of explaining what the controversy is all about and why some people wouldn’t want the Commandments in the classroom, as if there are no possible reasons for it except they’re anti-Christian.

But that’s not the case at all. There’s just no reason students should be told at a public school that they should believe in the Christian God, not obey “false gods,” or keep the Sabbath holy.

This is such an obvious violation of church/state separation that the FFRF is doing the school district a favor by giving them warning before filing a lawsuit. The administration has time to take the plaques down without consequence. They can blame the atheists all they want, but ultimately, they’re going to have to do the right thing if they want to avoid a federal lawsuit.

The brave student who informed the FFRF of the plaques told Reddit what was happening:

There are many teachers refusing to take them out of their classrooms, students have put “fight for faith” and other things on there cars, and there is free T-shirts and a petition being passed around. Today people started to figure out it was me, all I have received were dirty looks and an argument with a rather large linebacker. I am not upset at that because i expected that, what I am upset about is the fact that my little sister has been yelled at by a school bus full of brainwashed children. I just wanted to share a story from the view of an atheist in the middle of a religious war in small town Oklahoma.

I’ve contacted the student to get some more information about the case.

The headlines on the Internet, though, are overwhelmingly in favor of the Christians (“Students Fight Back to Save Ten Commandments”)… which makes it sound like Christians are this tiny minority trying to defend themselves against the oppressive atheist majority. In reality, we’re talking about one brave atheist trying to prevent the school from getting sued because of the ignorance of the Christian majority.

Even state legislators are admitting the Christians are fighting a losing battle here:

“A majority of teachers and students didn’t agree with the Freedom From Religion Foundation letter, so they contacted myself and Senator Mark Allen. After talking with numerous Christian organizations and constitutional lawyers, it became clear that the superintendent and local school board has no choice but to remove the plaques if they want to avoid a lawsuit,” State Rep. John Bennett, R-Sallisaw, said.

Students, with the help of local churches, are planning to wear shirts with the Ten Commandments on them this Wednesday. They seem to think that if everyone is wearing the shirts, the school won’t take down the plaques. (Did no one at the school teach them that the First Amendment doesn’t just protect the majority?)

But the law should prevail here. This isn’t a coin toss. This is the textbook definition of what you’re not allowed to do in a public school.

I hope we find out the identity of this student so we can honor him/her — because if it’s true that other kids know who it is, the student’s in for a rough week ahead.

(Thanks to Gordon for the link)

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • tinker

    Looks like another failure of public schools. The teachers have no one to blame but themselves. Obviously, none of these kids have even seen the Bill of Rights.

    • L.Long

      You cant really blame the teachers as if they tried teaching anything factual they would be fired. The one to blame are the xtain Sheeple majority that vote people into office that support their delusional stupidity. I am totally surprised when I hear they are still teaching 1+1=2, because we know that the bible writers where incredibly stupid when it came to math or science.
      You know pi=3, bats are birds, insects have 4 legs, etc.

      • foodandart

        The issue on the separation of church and state is to keeping government OUT of religious institutions.. Not keeping religion out of government institutions. Actually get down to reading the thoughts of Jefferson and you’ll see the framers of the Constitution were firm that a spiritual, moral base was essential.

        You’re looking the wrong way at it.

        This is just another tempest in a teapot, brewed up by the thin-skinned, anti-spiritual crowd.

        I’m not religious *at all* and I grew up at a time when not only were the 10 commandments on the walls, but we also said The Lord’s Prayer at the beginning of each school day and had a silent moment of prayer before classes. Did it turn me into a Jeso-freak?
        Not at all, though it DID give me a good understanding of how to approach really ultra-religious types.

        What we choose to forget is that spiritual and Christian faith was at the core of the country’s founding – not as a tool of oppression but as a definable, un-alienable right – and a reason that gave common men the moral authority to shake off the tyranny of the British Monarchy.

        THAT is the history you don’t get until college.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

          The issue on the separation of church and state is to keeping government OUT of religious institutions.. Not keeping religion out of government
          institutions.

          Wrong. Both are essential.

          What we choose to forget is that spiritual and Christian faith was at the core of the country’s founding – not as a tool of oppression but as a
          definable, un-alienable right – and a reason that gave common men the moral authority to shake off the tyranny of the British Monarchy.

          Thomas Paine would disagree with you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/bridget.cash Bridgett Cash

          You do not understand the constitution or the purpose of the separation clause that our founding fathers were sure to include.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tommy.mclemore1 Tommy McLemore

          No, it was not.

          Since you used Thomas Jefferson as a reference, I’ll give
          you one of his more noteworthy quotes concerning religion and why it must be excluded from the government in any and all forms. “Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck.” – Thomas Jefferson

        • http://www.facebook.com/WhatTheZark Pivotal Xestius Shazbro

          Disregarding the fact that Jefferson thought of the popular forms of Christianity as trite, you’re missing the point completely… Say you walk into a cafeteria that only serves coconut milk. Sure, some enjoy the stuff, others are indifferent, and some are dismissive, but a bit passive. Now, you’re allergic to coconuts, so you obviously don’t want this. However, the cafeteria lady gives you her opinion on coconut milk anyway, as though you give a crap.

        • SeekerLancer

          There was a real fear among the early government that religious groups, like the Catholics for example, could seize control of the country if a wall of church/state separation didn’t exist. So you’re full of crap.

          To put it another way to help you understand in the very context that you presented, protecting a church’s right to be independent and not interfered with by the government means that the government cannot endorse or support a specific religion above the rest. The very act of doing so threatens the religions that the government is not supporting.

    • Crazy Russian

      Having lived in Redneckville, USA for a decade, I know the type very well: the Bill of Rights only becomes important when they realize they can’t legally bring a rifle to the school.

      • SeekerLancer

        They like the first amendment too but only when they’re using it to show aborted fetuses to kids at parades.

  • indorri

    Students, with the help of local churches, are planning to wear shirts with the Ten Commandments on them this Wednesday.

    Which is what they should have been doing in the first place instead of putting it up in the classroom.

  • Donatello

    I sure hope none of those brave religious fighters goes shopping on a Sunday ever again .

    • Charles Honeycutt

      Or mowing, or gardening, or cooking, or washing dishes or clothes, or hell, even go to church.

      • L.Long

        Come on guys we all know that when gawd tortured and hung his son on the cross all those all rules (except the gay ones) where no longer valid. Remember the Repukeians say that Cheeses is a REAL american and a capitalist so making and spending money on sunday is VERY HOLEY.

        • Stev84

          Except the parts in Leviticus about killing gays. That still counts.

  • http://chaoskeptic.blogspot.com Rev. Ouabache

    Why did I go read the comments at ClownHall? I really should know better by now. All of them are complaining that this isn’t an establishment violation when everyone with half a brain can see that this is an obvious endorsement violation.

    • Kengi

      Yeah. Wow. The commenters there are the most ignorant I’ve ever seen. They make Glenn Beck look like a card-carrying member of the ACLU with a JD in constitutional law.

      This must be the result of a teacher (or several) spreading blatant false information to students and parents. I’ve never even seen the argument that public schools aren’t really part of the government since they don’t write or sign laws. And I honestly thought I had seen all of the bad arguments already.

    • Leiningen’s Ants

      Yeah, it’s a real mess over there, but if you’re into train wrecks, it’s just the thing. You can tell some people have seriously never questioned anything ever in their lives.

  • Machintelligence

    Actually, if you read the comments at the link to the TV station turned into a fight, you will find that they are very reasonable and polite.

  • Kengi

    I always love it when the fundies loudly proclaim they are going to do something perfectly legal (students wearing t-shirts with a message) to protest a straw man as if they were Rosa Parks actually defying a law through civil disobedience. It clearly demonstrates their lack of understanding of the issues involved.

    • BigRedHusker

      athiest is the one hurting the christians right. 1st ammendment right. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. if the teachers and students want them in the classroom. more than welcome, there’s only one piece of atheist scum in that school. overrulled. now leave butthurt

      • diwui

        You sound like someone from Al-Qaeda. Your no different from them!! You have no idea what America is all about. Read a book.

        • Skoodalbugs

          Diwui, You’re* not your. Proper grammar before you argue with someone.

          • 3lemenope

            Proper grammar is a pleasant garnish, certainly, but not a requisite of communication.

            Either way, the problem you’re highlighting here–a confusion of commonly used homophones–is more a diction problem than a grammatical one, a misunderstanding of which word choice is appropriate for which task.

          • rhodent

            There is nothing wrong with his grammar. His spelling is off, but spelling and grammar are separate things.

        • Fifth Dentist

          I would say that OP actually did read “a” book. But I’ve become convinced that the majority of Christianists don’t even read their Buybulls.

      • Abedeus

        You’re a moron. Public schools and institutions can’t favor any religion. Including your stupid religion.

        • http://www.facebook.com/WhatTheZark Pivotal Xestius Shazbro

          Let trolls troll… This one isn’t particularly good, anyway,

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

        Correct.

        If the teachers and students want them in the classroom. more than welcome

        Wrong. The school cannot privilege one religion over another, or irreligion over religion. That prohibits the free exercise of religion of the people who don’t share that belief. That a majority of the students or teachers would want their religion or lack thereof to be privileged over those of others does not change that.

        I also observe that you are prejudiced against atheists. That is unacceptable, just as being prejudiced against people who are religious would be. That’s not the same as being prejudiced against atheism or against religion – people are entitled to a basic level of respect, ideas are not.

      • http://www.facebook.com/chuckyjesus666 Chuck E. Jesus

        Wow…you can’t see that by putting up the ten commandments, the schools are establishing religion?

      • Kengi

        Perhaps you should study constitutional law and history a little bit before spouting ignorant statements about the subject.

        The establishment clause prevents government promotion of one religion over any other, or none. They must remain neutral. You can read more about this in the Federalist Papers, written by the very people who were debating this topic when the Constitution was being drawn up.

        Since the 14th Amendment, the clause also applied to all state and local governments as well. Soon after, in 1879, the Supreme Court ruled that the Establishment clause’s original intent was to create a wall of separation between church and state. Along with the 14th Amendment, that made separation the law of the land.

        Since then the court has reaffirmed this separation several times. In the 1950′s they ruled that in some instances, like in public schools, this separation not only still existed, but also needed to be high and impenetrable.

        You really should learn about the Constitution. It’s not only the founding document of our nation, but is the basis for the law of the land here.

      • davejustdave

        Yer a funny one! What is most entertaining is that you created an account JUST to make your ignorantly rants. Bravo!

        BTW, I’m an atheist, and so much smarter and more accomplished than you :-)

      • http://twitter.com/jg_howard John Gideon Howard

        No, you’re absolutely wrong, and this is an unamerican view. Thanks to the constitution, you’re the one that is overruled.

  • rhodent

    I can’t help but wonder if those Ten Commandments T-shirts are a cotton/poly blend.

    • L.Long

      Cotton/poly is OK as the rule is about wool/linen. There religion held back their science to such an extent that it would take a few thousand years to get poly. In fact cotton toke a very long time as as well – middle ages actually.

      • buricco

        It’s about mixed fabrics of any sort. Linsey-woolsey is given as one particular example.

      • rhodent

        It depends on the verse. Deuteronomy 22:11 specifically says “Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together”; Leviticus 19:19 more generally states “Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.”

        • T.C.R.M.

          And it is important to remember that Leviticus is the actual laying down of the laws and rules of the Covenant by which the 13 Tribes will abide so long as they reside in the favor of the Lord, so it trumps the laws of Deuteronomy.

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheOriginalFalcon Christopher Fowler

          So I guess that my “originals” vest that I wear on the motorcycle would violate that rule, being leather, cloth and chaimaille.

          • Deadeye Duck

            Depends on the colors, Chris. I could never figure that stuff out, so I rely on my wife’s eye to o.k. *how* I violate Leviticus.

      • Spam Tester

        Actually religious organizations funded science for a good portion of the “olden times”.

        If you think the Catholic Church in the olden days stopped science, you know very little about history.

        Try taking a “History of Science” class, where you will learn that science exists BECAUSE of religious people.

        • 3lemenope

          You’re both right, after a fashion. It’s when you state the claims in the strong sense that you go off the rails.

          It’s not really reasonable to argue that Judaism was what stood between the Twelve Tribes and the invention of polyester, but it is reasonable to point out that one major impediment to science being accepted and promulgated was that it was seen by religious institutions as a dangerous competitor with their own etiological explanations of the world and its phenomena.

          It’s likewise not particularly reasonable to argue that science exists because of religious people. If the people who explored the physical world happened to have been atheists (and many in more recent times are), there is every reason to believe science would have proceeded apace; religion gets no credit for simply being the biggest game in town at the time. It is reasonable to point out that religious institutions were often patrons of scientific discovery, and even while they impeded or forbade research into some areas (anatomy, cosmology, chemistry) they were certainly the big pocketbooks for the developmental period of some others, and it is also reasonable to point out that as jealous hoarders of knowledge (and consequently the only large, distributed literate population) large religious institutions managed to preserve much of what would otherwise have been lost from the Classical period, even as they managed to actively destroy many other texts from that same period.

        • http://www.facebook.com/kyler.phoenix Kyler Phoenix

          That’s being disingenuous at best. Science succeeded despite the church. The reason so many “learned men” were involved with the church is because they controlled everything including education. Try studying the History of Religion and you might learn that.

          • Spam Tester

            Like I said, take a History of Science course.

            You will be genuinely surprised at your level of ignorance.

            • Hat Stealer

              Ah yes, the old “the Catholic Church is responsible for all the science” position. I’ve heard some people say that the Church invented the scientific method. I’ve heard people say that they invented the periodic table. Unless you care to enlighten us as to exactly how the Pope pulled us all out of the dark ages, then there’s really no point in you waxing on about how ignorant we all are.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1302934543 Ron Lynquist

              spam Tester take a History of Science course.

              You will be genuinely surprised at your level of ignorance.

        • ArtistKate

          The Church funded some science AS LONG AS it agreed with their theories…. For example Galileo was tried by the Inquisition for saying that the planets revolved around the sun, not the earth. Copernicus was banned. The Church kept a stranglehold on what books could be published….

          • Spam Tester

            The Galileo thing isn’t true.

            Try reading up on what actually happened in recorded history.

            You have a reddit version (ignorant, uneducated, knowedgeless) of history.

            • ArtistKate

              It is really a shame that you are not able to voice your opinion without saying that my answer is ignorant, uneducated and knowledge less. No wonder it is impossible to have any type of civilized dialogue any more.

              Are you saying that Galileo WASN”T tried by the Inquisition? Are you saying that Copernicus’ theories were able to be freely read….. I don’t think so.

      • Leiningen’s Ants

        HEY GUYS! I TRANSLATED DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS RULE-LAWYERING INTO CHRISTIAN!

        Cotton/poly is OK as the rule is about wool/linen. There religion held back their science to such an extent that it would take a few thousand years to get poly. In fact cotton toke a very long time as as well – middle ages actually.

        Dude, is there any way I can roleplay or dice my way out of this?

        • Seth Holladay

          only if your armor has a +10 resistance to bullshit

          • Leiningen’s Ants

            “I YANK THE BAG OF HOLDING OPEN AND SWAN DIVE INTO IT, ONLY CATCHING THE EGDE OF THE BAG LONG ENOUGH TO RESEAL IT~!” *Shake shake shake shake shake daddy needs a way outta this~* AAAaaaand natural 1.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chuckyjesus666 Chuck E. Jesus

      ^5!

    • FailSatin

      The shirts are probably made in China, too…

  • Pulse

    I have a serious question about the separation of church and state in general.

    If it is clearly illegal for a public school teacher to endorse a particular religion in his or her classroom, why is it not also illegal for an elected legislator to endorse a particular religion in his or her public speeches? Is the whole captive audience thing the only distinguishing factor?

    • Kengi

      The Supreme Court ruled that school teachers and administrators had a special position of trust and influence over children in schools, so they said that, in those situations, the wall of separation not only exists, but must be “high and impenetrable”.

    • steeley42

      Pretty much. It would be perfectly legal for any of them to have a blog like this, or even be a lay-pastor on the weekend, or anything they wanted, as long as it never comes into their classroom.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

        Right. And I know several teachers who do that – including one who is an ordained Presbyterian minister. They all know to kept things separate.

        Re. the elected legislators: many of them should be probably held to stricter standards than they usually are.

        • Leiningen’s Ants

          I’ve noticed this phenomena as well. People who represent the state do not understand the burden. It’s why I rage about basic civics not being a part of the majority curriculum. Same way I rage about law enforcement officers who couldn’t double as public defenders due to lack of education on law. More and more, we’re seeing people who have the mantle of authority for no better reason than popularity, and have no concept of what is required of them when they put on that suit or badge. And it really really really irks me.

  • Coolred

    Nothing to do with this particular post but curious…I had business at my son’s high school this morning and was surprised to hear the national anthem being played to start the day. Everyone everywhere stood at attention with hand over heart. I don’t recall ever hearing the national anthem being played at a school before. Is that something new, wide spread, or just here?

    Btw I was standing at the time but did not stand at attention with hand over heart. My military days are over where I was required to stand at attention while in uniform. I did receive some rather nasty looks…I have been out of the country for well over 20 years and returned not long ago. Is standing at attention etc. traditional or required as a civilian? Again…just curious. Sorry for the tangent.

    • Octoberfurst

      Growing up I never heard the National Anthem played before the start of the school day. (I’m 54.) So this must be something new or else it is just in your area of the country. We had the Pledge of Allegiance where everyone stood with their hand over their heart and then we had a moment of “silent meditation.”.

      • Coolred

        I’m 44 so I remember reciting the pledge in elementary school..nothing beyond that. I live in the mid west and this is my third child to attend this school. Possibly I have never been there before the day actually started so just never heard the anthem played before..so I was curious.

    • Nate Frein

      Technically the Flag Code states that while the anthem is playing all civilians are to remove their hats (if worn), stand at attention, face the nearest U.S. Flag (it’s visible) and render the “civilian salute” (hand over heart).

      While the U.S. Flag Code does exist, it is not regulatory. It is “more of a guideline”. I used to take it very seriously when I was a silly little cadet in my AFJROTC color guard in High School.

      Now these gratuitous displays of hyperpatriotism tend to make me queasy. I will stand for the anthem. I will remain silent. But I no longer salute any flags.

    • Tom

      Isn’t it pretty much the definition of a civilian that they can’t be required to do anything like that?

    • allein

      When I was in high school (early ’90s in New Jersey) they played the anthem, instrumental only, as background music to the pledge over the loudspeaker at the beginning of homeroom every morning, followed by whatever announcements they had for the day. We all stood and most kids did the hand-over-heart (I didn’t bother with that or even mouthing the words, let alone actually reciting them out loud, but I did stand). I don’t know what they would have done had anyone refused to stand, but no one ever commented on my otherwise failing to participate.

    • Leiningen’s Ants

      What the hell? That is some seriously over the top jingoism. Time to have the talk about what real patriotism is with the kids, if you haven’t already. I’ve never heard of that kind of thing happening either. Weird and unsettling.

    • skinnercitycyclist

      I am with you, Red. I did 4 years in the army, at the inception of which I took an oath to uphold and protect the constitution. Nothing about a scrap of cloth on a pole. I don’t do the anthem, I don’t do the pledge. Our school does the pledge once a week during second period, I have no idea what students do as that is my prep period, I just eat my oatmeal and think of this:

      The hubub began to subside slowly as Major —— de Coverley paused in
      the doorway with a frown of puzzled disapproval, as though viewing
      something bizarre. He started forward in a straight line, and the wall
      of officers before him parted like the Red Sea. Glancing neither left
      nor right, he strode indomitably up to the steam counter and, in a
      clear, full-bodied voice that was gruff with age and resonant with
      ancient eminence and authority, said:

      “Gimme eat.”

      Instead of eat, Corporal Snark gave Major —— de Coverley a loyalty
      oath to sign. Major —— de Coverley swept it away with mighty
      displeasure the moment he recognized what it was, his good eye flaring
      up blindingly with fiery disdain and his enormous old corrugated face
      darkening in mountainous wrath.

      “Gimme eat, I said,” he ordered loudly in harsh tones that rumbled
      ominously through the silent tent like claps of distant thunder.

      Corporal Snark turned pale and began to tremble. He glanced toward
      Milo pleadingly for guidance. For several terrible seconds there was
      not a sound. Then Milo nodded.

      “Give him eat,” he said.

      Corporal Snark began giving Major —— de Coverley eat. Major —— de
      Coverley turned from the counter with his tray full and came to a stop.
      His eyes fell on the groups of other officers gazing at him in mute
      appeal, and, with righteous belligerence, he roared:

      “Give everybody eat!”

      “Give everybody eat!” Milo echoed with joyful relief, and the Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade came to an end.

  • Justin T.

    I wonder if anyone would complain if you changed commandment #1 from “thou shalt have no other gods before me” to “there is no god but Allah and muhammed is his prophet.” It’s basically the same thing, right?

  • Timothy Mitzel

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization…….. George Carlin

  • roz77

    After participating in the comment-fest about the cheerleaders where there are certainly plausible arguments on both sides, it’s refreshing to see such a blatant violation of the Establishment clause that we all know will be ending shortly.

  • L.Long

    It would not be a bad thing to have the 10 SUGGESTIONS displayed if they had a civics teach with balls. As he could point out that this is NO xtian nation because 1st 3 SUGGESTIONS are against Constitutional law and point out where. That a number of ancient advanced civilizations had similar laws well before a bunch of dessert goat herders wrote them down. And the last one is a thought crime and is also against our civil laws.

  • friendlydick

    how we won the Randi Paranormal Challenge

    http://ideologyofdeath.tumblr.com/

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

      If you are Dennis Markuze, you are yet again violating the terms of your agreement.

      If you are not Dennis Markuze, you have a toxic sense of humor.

  • Warner

    I am just going to put it out there: I, myself, am a christian. Now that I said it, I think it is dispicable when public schools try to foist religion onto others. I truly believe that for this country to truly be great, we do have to have a seperation of church and state, because even as a christian, I can recognize that most crap in the world stems from abuse of religious fervor. I stand with this Athiest student, because they have a right not to be subjected to bullying, hurrasment, and a denial of his basic constitutional rights. Freedom of religion is not about christians ruling the roost, it is about people in their lives choosing what to believe in, if they choose to believe in anything. What matters to me is the contents of your character, not the symbol on a chain around your neck.
    Besides, it was already declared unconstitutional to display the ten commandments in a publicly own building.

    • allein

      Whenever this issue comes up and the students get all up in arms, it makes me wonder why none of them choose to display the commandments or something similar in their own lockers, or on their notebooks or other personal property. It always means soo much to them when someone points out it shouldn’t be displayed by the school, but they never seem to show it at any other time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/TheOriginalFalcon Christopher Fowler

        I was wondering about that, since you mentioned it. Funny how they can’t seem to just keep it to themselves instead of foisting it on others.

        • allein

          Makes you wonder what part of the whole issue is actually important to them, don’t it ;)

    • Leiningen’s Ants

      No one is going to jump all over you for being christian, especially since you seem to have a quite functional head on your shoulders and have a rational outlook on this.

      • Leiningen’s Ants

        I mean if anything, it’d be other kinds of christians hopping mad at what you said there. No worries, you’re in good company ’round these here parts a’ the interspace supernetway.

    • Tobias2772

      Amen Warner

    • http://www.facebook.com/masterbard1 Juan Quiceno

      as an atheist, I like the type of Christians that behave like you do. religion is not about forcing your rights onto others it’s about your own personal beliefs

      • peck2

        Christian or not is immaterial. Most of the “commandments are good statements to live by.

        • allein

          Perhaps, but the first 4 are explicity religious and have no place in a public school.

        • Leiningen’s Ants

          Yeah, but I could’ve done it with five.

          1) Don’t murder
          2) Don’t steal
          3) Don’t lie
          4) Treat them the way you’d want to be treated
          5) Treat them the way they’d want to be treated.

          But I get no prayers, despite being twice as efficient as YHWH

          • Sids

            But those first three all fit into the last two, and even those are partially contradictory. What if they don’t want to be treated the way you do?

            I’ll stick with:
            1) Don’t be a dick.
            2) See rule 1

        • SeekerLancer

          The first four are explicitly religious and Christian making it very material.

          The rest are common sense things. Mostly anyway, depending on which version of the ten commandments you’re talking about.

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            Actually, the first four are explicitly Jewish, and then were appropriated by Christians. Still totally illegitimate in a government building, but please, some credit (blame?) where credit is due.

            • SeekerLancer

              True, but the commonly displayed versions of the commandments in the United States are usually one of the Christian translations.

              • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                Yeah, for sure. I was just grumpy about a different thing, with people claiming Judeo-Christian values for something explicitly fundamentalist Christian, so you hit a sore spot.

        • John

          The second commandment says that God will **punish your children** if you worship the wrong God. Do you think that is a good statement?

    • http://www.facebook.com/chuckyjesus666 Chuck E. Jesus

      THANK you for being sensible! America needs more Christians like you! Oh, and sorry to be a grammar Nazi, but the e is before the i in atheist.

    • SeekerLancer

      If more Christians would think like you do we wouldn’t have any problems.

      • Husselang

        If more people were like him, christian, muslim, atheist or whatever, we wouldn’t have these problems ;)

    • http://twitter.com/Talixj Jenna FG

      You are one Awesome Christian. I really really REALLY wish there were more of you around….

      • theduck

        There are: it’s just that the nutjobs (hi, WBC) get all the press. Also a Christian and agree with what Warner said, and it’s obvious that the Ten Commandments should not be posted in classrooms. And all the nominal Christians who are bullying this student need to look at their faith – Jesus would have told the student that he disagreed, and told him about God, but would have treated him with love and respect (in the Gospels he wasn’t rude or dismissive to sinners: his scorn was reserved for the hypocritical religious leaders of the time).

    • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

      Can we clone this one?

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheOriginalFalcon Christopher Fowler

      As a Wiccan and a military vet (sworn to defend the Constitution), to me you seem like a Christian worth actually knowing and associating with.

  • Charles

    The only solution to any such controversial issue in a public school is to privatize the school. Then, and only then, can the proper *owner* of the school decide what will or won’t be allowed there.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

      And then the school would need to charge tuition and, depending on the community, a large number of kids wouldn’t be to get an adequate education.

      Bad solution.

      • Charles

        Sure, it’s a much better solution and much more convenient to have the government rob other people and use their money to run inefficient schools so you can feel good about helping strangers’ kids. Property rights and liberty trump any do-gooder’s desire to help others with other people’s money.

        • 3lemenope

          On the other hand, we are all in this society together, such that if your kids are uneducated fools, it is likely that their future (if not present) actions will cost me and mine. So I have a direct interest, unmuddied by head-fakes towards altruism or any related notion, in kids of parents who are not me nonetheless being educated in writing, arithmetic, and other basic life skills. It’s important enough that I’m not willing to leave it up to the personal recognizance of individual parents of their duty to train up their kids, primarily because it’s a difficult task to train up a child, but no less importantly because some of those parents are themselves idiots who wouldn’t know proper education if it sat on their noses.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

          Taxation is not the same as “robbing people”.

          And while there is certainly room for improvement in how schools are run, that applies equally to private as well as public schools and is not an argument for not having publicly-funded education.

          Public schools are essential for anything approximating a truly egalitarian society.

    • Burzghash

      Ah yes, privatization, the good old conservative idealism. The one that historically always results in higher costs for the consumer for worse quality and service.

      • 3lemenope

        It would be great if people actually took a look at whether their received wisdom actually held up to reality every once in a while. In the case of privatization/deregulation, it is not the case that a move towards private control “historically always results in higher costs for the consumer for worse quality and service”.

        It depends a great deal on the nature of the product, and consequently the nature of the (prospective) market, in play. In service markets where large information asymmetries between buyer and seller are present, where the incentives pressuring the seller are perverse, where the buyer does not have a choice whether to buy because the good being consumed is necessary, or where the service is by definition understood to serve the public trust, privatization/deregulation usually is an unmitigated disaster. In pretty much all other circumstances, it does, in fact, lead to lower prices and higher quality service.

        Take the airline industry, for example. Prior to 1978, in the US, all fares, rates, routes, and many other aspects of the airline business were controlled directly by the federal government through the Civil Aeronautics Board, and so while there were airlines in private hands, all decisions ran through a public entity in such a way that the industry acted like a public body rather than a set of private businesses. Since the CAB was disbanded, prices on air travel have on average fallen 10%, with much more substantial savings on more heavily traveled routes (the NYC-LA route’s prices dropped nearly 80% over the same period). During the same period, fuel and food prices universally climbed, so it isn’t a case of cost-of-business confounding the observed effect. Consequently, as more people could afford air travel, air travel became much more popular, with the average number of airline passengers per year jumping from ~200 million in 1974 to over ~750 million in 2010.

      • Charles

        “Conservativism” has nothing to do with it. It’s about freedom and property rights. My money isn’t yours, or anyone else’s, to take by force so you can feel good about helping other people. As for higher costs, if that’s what a quality education actually requires, than so be it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

          You benefit in many ways, direct and indirect, from the services provided by the government, and publicly-funded education is one of those services. Your taxes are the fees you pay for services rendered. You may argue about the price, but you have no reasonable grounds to complain about the principle.

        • Burzghash

          Too fucking bad. You’re either a part of a society or you’re not. Unless you built the roads you use every day, the schools that educated you, developed the urban planning you benefit from every day, the utilities you take advantage of, etc.,then you can shut the fuck up, or leave and go found your own society where you solely pay for the things you use.

  • RagnarockerBunny

    Poor guy… I’m all for religious freedom but for fudge’s sake, you can’t bully a kid for wanting equal treatment. Just because Athiests don’t have commandments doesn’t mean Thiests have the right to shove theirs anywhere they want. It’s actually disgusting to think that this kid is saving the school from a lawsuit (albeit indirectly) and everyone is literally piling on him for doing nothing other than what he felt was right.

    • Leiningen’s Ants

      For doing nothing other than suggesting the law be enforced. Fixed that for ya.

  • Timmah

    You’d think just once a school would realize from past history “We are going to lose, the court IS going to make us take them down.” But nope they have to fight from “being oppressed”.

  • Evan

    *Sigh* Come ON, other Christians! Why do you have to make the rest of us look bad?

    • Crazy Russian

      If only more people like you spoke out to the school administration and the rest of the folks fighting the measure. I’m sure they would be more receptive to another Christian than some sinning godless heathen atheist.

    • Abedeus

      If you think these Christians make you look bad, boy do I have a long and brutal and bloody history of Catholic Church, inquisitions, slavery and few other nasty things…

  • Leiningen’s Ants

    Um, just so we’re clear on this, aren’t the ten commandments Jewish laws? I’m sorry for having to ask, I find doing research on TVTropes and Wookiepedia far more interesting.

    • the jews are black american

      the hole bible is, old and new. shocking. jesus is a greek name, Yahshua is his name real name, they letter j is only 600hurndred, and the hebrew alphabet has no J.. 2tim 2:15 study to show thou self approval unto YHWH

      you religious freaks make me sick, you have no light in you, your works are dead, proof in the pudding.. look at the world.

      • allein

        huh?

      • Leiningen’s Ants

        9_6~?! B’wuuuuuh~?

    • dudee

      Jew here- both Jews and Christians recognize the “Old Testament” (as Christians call it) as the bible, but Christians divide their bible into two parts, the Old Testament and the New Testament. So both Jews and Christians recognize the Old Testament while only Christians recognize the New Testament as holy.

  • Hook

    So funny that there are people that have this moronic NEED for these words on a wall as if it’s the only reason they act nice towards others, and if someone else has a different view in our free country it turns these loving christians into hate filled monsters driven by Jesus and a book.

  • gb89

    your a very brave person for standing up to those oppressors from one atheist to another

  • bill454

    for fuck sake,why can’t these nit wits just believe what they want without causing a big to-do?my mother is a jehovah’s witness and when i was in school i stood in the hall during the pledge of allegiance.when it was over i came back in.big freakin’ deal.if they want to waste their lives believing in fairy tales,let ‘em.

    • Leiningen’s Ants

      True, but what a waste of their one shot at living, and happiness, and freedom, and all the other good stuff? Damn shame y’know.

  • Viper

    Atheists don’t believe in God, ok. No one is forcing you to. I think it’s plain dumb though that you want all religious things taken out of schools, and in some asects our country (“One nation, under God” ring a bell?). Well, what about us Christians? We have a right to be a Christian, openly praise God, and at least not hide our beliefs. No one’s forcing you to “obey” the 10 commandments, pray, or become a Christian. So don’t force us to hide what we consider part of us.

    • http://www.facebook.com/justin.hudspeth.3 Justin Hudspeth

      Yeah, One Nation Under God rings a bell. It was added to the pledge of allegiance in 1954 for the exclusionary purpose of conflating non-religious Americans with communists.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

      You have the right to be Christian, and to express that belief. No one is proposing otherwise.

      What you don’t have the right to is for government institutions, in this case the schools, to privilege your particular religion above others.

      As others have noted, students wearing shirts with the commandments printed on them is entirely reasonable. That’s the students own right to free expression and as long as they aren’t representing the school at the time, it doesn’t infringe on anything else. Individual teachers wearing shirts with the commandments printed on them while they’re teaching would be less acceptable. The school having a policy of advocating Christianity is right out.

    • SwimmingTowardsPie

      Why do you need the power of the government to prop up the faith? Is Christianity in THAT much trouble?

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

      We covered “One nation, under God” about five or six blogs back, get with the game slow poke.

  • BigRedHusker

    the students need to fight back from the 1 single trailer trash atheist scumbag living in that town. by all posting the 10 commandments on their lockers.

    • RedGreenInBlue

      Argumentum ad hominem? Check. Argumentum ad populum? Check. Signs of insecurity about the validity of one’s own beliefs? Check.

      • Leiningen’s Ants

        You’ve got to love his grasp of how English grammar works while talking down on “trailer trash.” What does that make him? I guess a Less Than sign kinda looks like a sideways checkmark…

        &lt

    • allein

      They are more than welcome to post the commandments inside their lockers. That’s their private space (for the most part; it’s given to them to use for the school year, at least) to decorate as they wish.

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

      What are smoking out of that Lead pipe?

  • Clyde

    Reddit probably corrected him for using ‘there cars’ and not ‘their cars’.

  • druoid

    And these good christian’s are giving the one kid and his sister the same jihad as muslim extremists. Ironic??

  • Stereotypical_White_Fella

    God? Lol. No God.

    • Leiningen’s Ants

      Snrrrk! “Tu te me ex infernus.” “Right, pack up.”

  • BigRedHusker

    so many hippy atheist losers in these comments.

    • Tyler

      We allow your kind to believe in what you want, despite lack of evidence, all we ask is that you do not try to indoctrinate informed citizens with your beliefs. If you truly believe the ten commandments should be displayed in a PUBLIC SCHOOL pertaining to all NATIONALITIES AND RELIGIONS, simply because you are christian, you are a pompous asshole and exactly describe the mentality of 99% of christians.

      • Mike Perushek

        Just because this contributor has this opinion, does not mean even 99% of Christians do too. THEY DON’T.

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

      Um this is an Atheist run website you Moron.

  • Tyler

    Simple. Separation of church & state. There is no argument to be had here. If this was a public school with any form of MUSLIM RELIGIOUS MATERIAL IN IT this would be the top story on CNN. However one informed student against a 98% majority of uninformed retards is probably gonna get talked shit to for god knows how long, for simply being right. This is wrong. Atheists do not demonize the christians simply for what they believe in, rather or not they view it as a childlike mentality and stupid is besides the point. Remove the ten commandments and replace it with a copy of the Quran and westboro will be protesting by tomorrow morning.. double standard idiocy.

  • http://twitter.com/datsneefa Jim Terwiliger

    the fact that my little sister has been yelled at by a school bus full of brainwashed children.

    so Christ like

  • Guest

    Aren’t the Ten Commandments only supposed to apply to Jewish people?

    • http://www.facebook.com/kahlen.belaqua Kahlen Belaqua

      Depends if you’re one of those christians who says “oh, we only follow the new testament” I guess… but most will say “I believe in the 10 commandments”. SMH.

  • Mathew

    “Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the ‘wall of separation between church and state,’ therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.”
    ― Thomas Jefferson

  • Katie Pearce

    I understad the whole seperation of church and state. However, I don’t see any wrong with have the ten commentents posted in the school. (1st Amendent freedom of speech and religion) I understand that the student may feel uncomfortable with the plaques, but if the other students and teachers arent “forcing” their religion on him/her, then there is no crime done. Just think… we wouldn’t be in school if it wasn’t of the church. Heck… we wouldn’t be in AMERICA if it wasn’t for religion.

    • Trawg

      we wouldn’t be in AMERICA if it wasn’t for religion.

      LOLWUT?

      • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

        Yea Thor!!

    • Kengi

      You don’t understand separation of church and state.

      Freedom of religion applies to the public, not the government. The government is restricted by the Establishment Clause, not the public. Since the school is a government school, they are restricted by the Establishment clause, and not allowed to promote religion.

      That’s why the people who wrote that clause described it as a wall of separation between church and state. That same phrase was later used by the Supreme Court in 1879 to describe the original intent of that clause as well.

      The students have the right to display the ten commandments on their shirts or lockers (assuming the school doesn’t have a dress code or locker rule that prohibits all messages). The school doesn’t have that same right since they are part of the government.

  • Fifth Dentist

    We lubs us some Constitution and some Jeebus. Now shut the f*#k up, atheists!

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

      /lol your a real fucktard aren’t you?

  • I’m Switzerland

    As someone who is from a neighboring town and knows more about the back story here, this student didn’t do this for anything more than notoriety. Funny how he was telling other people what he was planning to do yet the story said he was anonymous.

    • Kengi

      Does it matter? He caught the school breaking the law. They need to comply with the law of the land.

      He should be praised by all for doing his civic duty by reporting the violation. The Establishment Clause protects Christianity as well as atheists and all other religions.

      If you see him, thank him for protecting your rights.

    • Trawg

      What’s your point exactly?

    • Artor

      Yeah, I’m sure he was eager to get the entire school fighting mad at him. What could possibly be the drawback from that?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501557447 Yvette Rhea

      Every time someone stands up alone or with few, the opposition always says they are looking for attention. Those black children want to go to school with whites… They are looking for attention. Those 4 students want an integrated prom so they can celebrate it with all their friends…they are just looking for attention. That kid doesn’t want to pledge his allegiance to a Christian God…he’s just looking for attention, Those Native Americans complaining about PTSD because they were forced to residential schools….they are just looking for attention, Those Gays who want to marry who they love….just looking for attention……

      The list could go on and on and on.

      You would think that some people would notice the trend and step back a moment to ponder that maybe, Everyone else are not the ones who are wrong but….gulp* possibly Christians have been the oppressors and instigators all along?

  • peck2

    Fuckum. I’m sick of the “tolerant Lib-Marxists” making everyone else bow to their wishes. Either ignore them or kick them out.

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

      And we are tired of Republitards trying to force their ignorance upon everyone.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

        In the interest of avoiding ableism, please find a different insult to apply to peck2′s offensive nonsense.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

      You appear to not understand the meanings of “tolerance”, “liberal”, or “Marxist”.

      The situation here has nothing to do with Marxism, although it does have to deal with liberalism and tolerance.

    • SeekerLancer

      Thankfully the Constitution and the courts that uphold it don’t care what you’re sick of.

    • davejustdave

      You mean actually enforcing the laws of the land is making others bow to their wishes?

    • http://www.facebook.com/kahlen.belaqua Kahlen Belaqua

      However you want to label us, don’t worry, we’ll treat you much better than you’ve treated us.

  • chuck

    The article fails to state if it is a public or private school.

    • OneNation76

      It can be a subcription based for all I care. That’s just calling for trouble by the school.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kahlen.belaqua Kahlen Belaqua

      ” There’s just no reason students should be told at a public school that they should believe in the Christian God,”

      It clearly says it’s a public school.

  • Reverb

    Brainwashed to attack people who do not share your values.
    Sad, sad people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.pecci Chris Pecci

    Just Great===== This story is just more fuel for the Christian Persecution Complex.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mobi-Mktg/100002118545853 Mobi Mktg

    This always cracks me up, the “war on Christianity” – in the past as long as “Christians” were ‘in charge’, if you disagreed with them, or declared yourself apostate, there was no argument – you were burned at the stake, or similar gruesome fate, or tortured until you “reconciled your faith”…now that the playing field is a little more even and they realize they have to confront the idea that everything they’ve been told is a lie, they are the victims…well boo freakin hoo

  • Splanky

    “For some reason that probably have everything to do with Tradition and our Christian Heritage and “We Live In Merkuh.”

    That was kind of uncalled for. The student has far more than enough merit to his complaint, there’s no need to stoop to cheap insults!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mobi-Mktg/100002118545853 Mobi Mktg

    Btw…did you know that a lot of the “Ten Commandments” plaques and things like that around the country in front of court houses, etc.that people are so righteous to defend, were give to them by Cecil B. Demille in the 1950′s to promote the movie he made? It was all an advertising gimmick -

    • T.C.R.M.

      He was also trying to avoid having to pay for the disposal of all the old props too. They didn’t do wrap auctions back then, and Demille went overboard on every movie he made, and was told upfront he couldn’t burn that large a production in the Mojave. That time he gave a bunch of it away as a promotion.

    • Timmah

      LOL is this true??? I have never heard that before. It’s almost too hilarious to be real.

  • slim slendy

    Im a christian and I believe that its kinda douchy to push religion on othwrs and I agree with that. But why coulnt that stupid fucking kid just let them have their plaques and all of this wouldve been avoided

    • T.C.R.M.

      Technically, it all would have been avoided if the plaques never went up in the first place. All in this case would, I assume include the young person who was offended by the plaques, and now that I think about it, putting the plaques up at all. Yeah, the only way to avoid it *all* would have been to never put them up at all.

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

      ever heard of turning the other cheek?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

      Mr. Pulliam is in no way stupid. To the contrary – he has a fair understanding of civil rights and of the law relevant to church-state separation.

      As T.C.R.M. says, the way to avoid “all this” would have been for there not to have been the problem in the first place. The next-best way would be have been for the school to take the plaques down when the FFRF reminded them of the law.

    • SeekerLancer

      The point is if we let the small stuff slide it leaves things open for other things that we’ve seen happen like assemblies that proselytize in schools or teachers pushing intelligent design. If we say it’s okay to slide on this one separation of church and state issue then it gets harder to say teachers can’t push more religion in their classes in other ways as well.

  • T.C.R.M.

    I have to say, that personally, as an atheist I agree with everything this person is doing, but I would have preferred they not refer to the bus load of little kids who yelled at their sister as “brainwashed”. Little kids are stupid, and you can get them to do pretty much anything. I can’t imagine how isolated and under attack they must feel, but calling children brainwashed because you didn’t expect blow back on your family in a small town is shortsighted and less than optimal in my opinion. I certainly am not siding with the children, or the town in general, I would just like to see that word thrown around less in general.

    • Leiningen’s Ants

      I would just like to see fewer brainwashed people in general.

      Fixed that for ya.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bigsampson408 Sam Mallory

    Really it is just pathetic that these parents allow the children to to argue about this crap. The school is ran on public funds so there should be separation between church and state plain and simple.

  • El-Trim

    school has to be an neutral area of religion,politics etc.

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

      Yes I agree with you. But, schools are supported by levies and when the constituency that pays the bulk of those taxes are predominately theists then the theists believe that they are being misrepresented if religion is not being taught in schools. It is a twisted sense of entitlement, and there is no legal basis for teaching religion in schools.

  • 20 Inch Deer

    I do often wonder though when the rights of the few surpass the beliefs of the many. The only real reason why I agree with the atheist student in this case is because it is true that church should be separated from state. Taxpayer’s money should not go towards institutions that hold any sort of religious affiliation, and especially not schools where it is imperative that they remain unbiased. I do, however, sympathize with the students and teachers. They live a certain way that their forefathers have lived before them and someone now is changing it. At the very least, I understand why they may be upset.

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

      Here’s a good example of when the rights of the few made sense to surpass the rights of the many: The American Colonies verses The British Empire and the East Indian Trading Company. Any questions?

    • allein

      How does not having their religious symbols displayed by their public school prevent them from believing however they wish in their private lives? Government neutrality on religion protects their rights just as much as it protects the minority.

    • midnight rambler

      The only real reason why I agree with the atheist student in this case is because it is true that church should be separated from state.

      You just answered your own question. That’s a damn big reason.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kahlen.belaqua Kahlen Belaqua

      Change is the only constant. They’ll just have to adjust to that. Hopefully without feeling the need to bully people too much.

  • chewy

    more than like made in China t-shirts

  • http://twitter.com/PaybaxABitchHuh Payback’s a B!tch

    I am so over-the-top ridiculously proud of this kid I can’t even stand it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1464392104 Cathern Riggs

    why are my tax dollars being spent to push Christ down the throats of children in the public schools????

  • r.holmgren

    “one brave atheist trying to prevent the school from getting sued”

    Hemant, you should be a lawyer or politician. The kid phones FFRF knowing that the organization makes a living out of intimidating Christian cheerleaders and his goal was to help the school? Priceless.

    Anyhow, the school should have known better. Take to religious stuff down and get on with life.

  • Georgina

    I never understood the one about ‘not coveting the neighbours wife’, I mean, if I were the neighbours wife, I would be flattered.
    Shouldn’t that read “look but don’t touch”?

    • http://twitter.com/docslacker MD

      It’s thought crime, guaranteed to make everyone fail.

    • VA1N

      Remember, the bible was made from a strictly anti woman point of view. Women can be sold, raped, abused, etc. The desert dwellers who made the bible weren’t about the compliment women, lest they get a big head.

  • Cenryk

    Just pointing out something. Separation of Church in State doesn’t actually exist. It’s just a societal thing.

    • Cenryk

      *Saparation of Church and State

      • http://www.facebook.com/kahlen.belaqua Kahlen Belaqua

        The full and correct spelling and statement is “Separation of Church and State”. And yes, it’s real. Bummer for you.

    • Kengi

      Separation of church and state “exists” as much as any law of the land “exists”. It’s a legal thing.

    • Melissa

      Read something besides your bible,. Understand why the non establishment clause is there,. what Madison and Jefferson envisioned, and why
      “Congress shall make NO LAW respecting the establishment of religion..or prohibiting the free practice there of..

      or as Jefferson said in his letter to the Danbury Baptist assn.

      “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American
      people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an
      establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus
      building a wall of separation between church and state.”

  • Michelle

    He should buy an atheist t-shirt and wear it on the same day. Little sister might want to stay home though depending on how little she is.

  • http://plus.google.com/u/0/111051039748078110427/about novenator

    On this SecularSunday give thanks to the fact that we are NOT an Iranian style theocracy that imposes their religion on others using the state… except in Oklahoma I guess. Oklahoma and Iran: conservative monotheists that don’t respect freedom of religion.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

      Sometimes, people who claim to be monotheists are actually dualist duo-theists – whenever they make the devil the evil twin of god.

      • http://plus.google.com/u/0/111051039748078110427/about novenator

        I’ve never thought of it that way

  • http://www.facebook.com/Jetogi Jeremy S Dixon

    I want to see this shirt “An it harm none do what ye will”

  • Melissa

    That student is in for more than a rough week …. this is backasswards Oklahoma we’re talking about. As well as the rest of their family. I’d like for this person to know they’re not alone, though. It’s awesome what they’re doing.

  • allein

    I can’t help but wonder, if the school had just quietly taken down the plaques, with no comment, no news coverage, and not informing the student body that it was happening, how many of the students would even have noticed?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501557447 Yvette Rhea

      They would never do it quietly. They will take full advantage of this situation so they can use it to convince Christians that they are being persecuted when in fact, they are the ones excluding and stepping over boundaries.

      • allein

        Oh, I totally agree with that.
        (I got your comment in my email as a reply to my post, but I’m seeing it as a completely separate post in the thread. Disqus being weird, I guess.)

      • VA1N

        “Help, Help! I’m being oppressed!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Hunt/1111684615 Richard Hunt

    How about, instead of the religious icon, they post The CONSTITUTION!!! Maybe if students learned what the Constitution says, they wouldn’t need to post the Ten Commandments.

    • VA1N

      Most people wouldn’t recognize it. Hell, I’m fairly certain the only reason they recognize the 10 commandments is because it has 10 numbers on it. I guarantee most couldn’t recite it back to you without looking.

  • http://twitter.com/AtThyWord777 ErrolSmythe777

    The Ten Commandments are revered by those who Love GOD and despised by those that want to live a life with no moral compass.

    There are Dire Social Consequences for those that Reject The Holy Bible and have no respect and reverence for The Ten Commandments.

    The consequences of ignoring and rejecting the Ten Commandments are severe.

    May GOD help the parents to realise what is at STAKE by them listening to some fast talking shifty eyed person that is demon possessed and Hates Christianity and Hates The Holy Bible and Hates The Truth and wants their parents to prefer that their children should have:

    1. — a strange “god’ like a video game, or a hollywood movie like superman or batman or hercules or some kind of hero from ” Star Wars ” or some cartoon character like popeye or mickey mouse or shrek or something like that :

    2. — As Lovers of pleasure more than lovers of GOD ..” their children have an Image of their favourite baseball star or American Football star or American Idol star that they IDOLIZE and WORSHIP as a ” demi -god ”

    3. — As Free Moral Agents their children should use slang and use inappropriate language under the ” Freedom of Speech ” and to their own hurt, be arrogant and stubborn and rebellious and “.. Take the Name of The LORD in vain..”.

    4. — Binge drink on a Saturday and fornicate and their daughters have unwanted pregnancies and GOD Forbid their pregnant school daughters to avoid a ” SCANDAL ” have an abortion so that they can carry on with their education.

    5. — Have children that have no respect for their parents at all but go out of their way to honour their friends more than their parents and are prepared to publicly disgrace their parents with teen age petty theft and petty crimes and have teenage pregnancies, abortions, drugs, knife crime, gun crime etc

    6. — have children that are inducted into a culture of violent gun crime instead of going to Sunday School and learning about the Ten commandments and the Exposition of The Revelation of The Whole Counsel of GOD as Revealed in The Holy Bible.

    7. — have children that have no respect for The Blessed Covenant Union of Marriage between one and one woman so that they may be part of a diabolical Society that is based on fornication and adultery and all kinds of sexual perversion and pornography.

    8. — have children that can grow up to be corrupt leaders with no moral compass and think nothing of stealing funds from widows and orphans on the stock exchange and enact unfair and unjust perverse corrupt laws that maintain the status quo of the morally bankrupt society.

    9 — have children that grow up to tell lies about anything just so that they may get an unfair advantage over the ” competition in life “.

    10. — have no moral compass about lying and stealing and taking what belongs to someone else so that their children can grow rich quick by unfair and unjust enrichment.

    Our Prayer is that GOD may open Our Eyes to see the Spiritual Battle going on.

    In the Name of Yeshua Ha-Mashiach The Lord Jesus Christ, The SON of The Living GOD, may we by The Grace of YHWH GOD STAND our Ground with BOLD RUGGED FAITH and STAND on The HOLY FOUNDATION of The WORD of ALMIGHTY GOD ! Amen and Amen !…

    • allein

      We don’t despise the ten commandments, we simply find most of them irrelevant to modern life in a secular society. Put them on your private property and we have no problem with you.

      There are Dire Social Consequences for those that Reject The Holy Bible and have no respect and reverence for The Ten Commandments.

      Yes, you get harassed by good Christian folks who are commanded to love their neighbors as themselves.

      As for the rest of your post, random capitals make me tired so I will leave it alone.

    • VA1N

      No one is saying the 10 commandments aren’t good, some of them are actually pretty useful. What we are saying is that you don’t need to display it in schools with varying faiths. They are the Christian 10 commandments. If you want to see the 10 commandments in school, go to a Christian private school like my parents sent me to growing up. Those things are wallpapered everywhere and that’s ok, because it’s a Christian school. A public school needs to have no religious affiliation because Christians aren’t the only ones attending.

      If you disagree with this then you are no better than a bully who is trying to force his religion down someone else’s throat.

      • Donalbain

        *raises a hand*

        Errr.. some people ARE saying they are not good, for example, me.

  • KyukiYoshida

    School isn’t a place for religion, they need to leave that shit at home, especially if the only religion they are going to give freedom of expression to is Christianity. When I was in highschool, I had a necklace of a pentacle representing the 5 elements, I was forced to either take it off or risk 5 day suspension. Yet you were allowed to wear jesus shirts, crosses and the like. You can bet I went to the school board and it never happened again.

  • 2amazing4words

    Christians think they are entitled to especial privileges… They need to be reminded of the separation of church and state on a regular basis. They also need to be taught that they are no more important than any other religious denomination or non religious people. Do you imagine the outcry if Mormons or Muslims attempted to do this?


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