Even More Awful Details About the Public School That Allowed Students to Skip Class to Pray

Here’s the story of what happened at Lumpkin County High School (Georgia) as I wrote about it a week ago:

50 students prayed together (with an adult coach) for more than six hours, causing them to miss their classes. Four faculty members were also part of the prayer group. Superintendent Dewey Moye said he wouldn’t punish anybody over the incident.

Now, the Freedom From Religion Foundation is saying the situation is even worse than we were led to believe (PDF)… in four specific areas.

1) It wasn’t just four faculty members. The number is actually closer to 12:

We have confirmation that some students went through entire class periods without any adult supervision or teacher present to actually do their job — teach…

I would lose my job in a heartbeat if I did this.

2) Staff members who participated are related to members of the School Board — so they likely knew they wouldn’t get disciplined for this:

We have also been told that at least three of the staff members who participated in the prayers are related to Lumpkin County Board of Education members, and in one instance, is married to a board member.

Would there have been a punishment if staffers who were not related to board members tried something like this?

3) The principal was aware the prayers were happening early on during the school day:

We have been informed that [Principal Rick] Conner left campus early that morning for an all day meeting. however, we also understand that Conner was at least aware that the incident was occurring before he left campus — and that he did nothing to stop the illegal assembly.

So the Principal, the Superintendent, and the school board were all in on it, it seems.

4) Random adults entered campus to pray with the students.

… it has been reported to FFRF that at least three adult inividuals with no school affiliation or authority entered the campus, went to the gym, and joined the students and staff in prayer.

This is such a security violation. It puts all the students in harm’s way when adults just walk onto campus without prior notification.

FFRF added that one of those adults went to the cafeteria and “harangued students for not participating in the prayers.”

Unrelated, but also disturbing, is the revelation that Principal Conner once berated a science teacher for teaching evolution:

In a New York Times article from 2006, a biology teacher, wishing to teach evolution, had to go through a meeting with Conner regarding her class. She relates the experience:

“He took a Bible off the bookshelf behind him and said, ‘[I] believe in everything in this book, do you?’ I told him, ‘I really feel uncomfortable about your asking that question.’ [But] he wouldn’t let it go.”

This teacher eventually had to fill out a grievance because she was being “threatened and harassed” by staff for following the approved curriculum. This all occurred under Conner’s, and for that matter, your, watch. This presents serious issues regarding Conner’s knowledge and complicity in the illegal incident. Surely if he’s willing to inject religion into the public school in one instance he is willing to facilitate, participate, or allow it in another instance.

This is so ridiculously illegal on so many levels. FFRF is called for the permanent removal of all staff members involved in this incident. If I were a parent, though, that wouldn’t be justice enough. They send their children to school assuming teachers and administrators are doing everything they can to make school a safe, welcoming environment for everybody. This incident shows that people in leadership roles cared more about appeasing God than doing what’s best for students. They didn’t care about educating them, they didn’t care about the safety of other students, they didn’t care about the students left unattended in several classrooms.

There should be a national outcry over this behavior. And if we weren’t talking about Christian prayer, there probably would be.

Just ask yourself how people would be reacting if we were talking about atheist or Muslim students and staffers acting the same way.

People would have been fired long ago.

And they should be fired now.

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • onamission5

    Mindboggling. I’m speechless.

  • eric

    I have a hard time imagining this stuff happening at a private religious school without someone getting fired. Classes going unsupervised for six hours? Letting random adults just walk into the school and harangue the students in the lunch room? These events go well beyond disagreements about the1st amendment or prayer in school. They’d be insanely bad policy even if we lived in a theocracy.

    I suppose the silver lining is that the district superintendent or county supervisors should be able to find lots of reasons to fire people without touching the public third rail of religious freedom.

    • Space Cadet

      I don’t see the silver lining. If there are any disciplinary actions taken, regardless of the reasoning behind it, those who are disciplined will simply cry “persecution”, and they will do it loudly. It doesn’t matter if the Superintendent or Supervisors manage to not touch the third rail; the Christians will gladly do it themselves.

      • Gus Snarp

        I’ve come to realize that it doesn’t matter if you actually enforce the law or stated school disciplinary procedures or not. As soon as someone even mentions that they’re doing something they shouldn’t be, they start screaming persecution. In this case the principal said no one would be punished but it wouldn’t happen again, and go read the comments about it and listen to interviews with those involved. They’re claiming persecution left and right when the truth is they’ve been given a whopping religious privilege in not being fired/suspended/given zero grades. Might as well throw the book at them, the outcry from the “Christian martyrs” will be the same anyway.

    • http://www.facebook.com/davidsimms David Simms

      As someone who attended a private Fundamentalist Christian school in Georgia for many years (all the way through graduation), I can tell you that this exact same thing happened, more than once, and the administration praised the teachers and students involved in it.

      At the Christian high school I graduated from, even in their own official mission statement, their objective of “equipping each young person with a Christian world-view” comes before, “academic training.” (Yes, those are direct quotes.)

      In fact, considering their support and teaching of Young Earth Creationism, I’d say that academics don’t just come second on their list of priorities…it is way down at the bottom of their list.

      • tekwrite

        Did it HURT you any? Did it make you want to go out and kill people?

  • observer

    “FFRF added that one of those adults went to the cafeteria and ‘harangued students for not participating in the prayers.’”

    Bet you ten bucks the adult prayed to Jesus for humbleness.

    “‘[I] believe in everything in this book, do you?’”

    Lemme “fix” that for you. –> “‘[I] believe in everything in this book [that my priest told me], do you?’”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=684968309 Charles M Taylor

    I sincerely hope the state board of education swats them hard. This is my home state and it embarrasses me to no end when somebody from there pulls something dumb like this.

    • Mario Strada

      Then I would write my congressperson and complain loudly. I contact ,mine in California all the time and they really do a lot of good work. At least mine does. In California. I know.

      • Stev84

        It’s Georgia. They’ll sooner pass a unanimous proclamation praising these teachers as heroes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=684968309 Charles M Taylor

        Unfortunately, I don’t live there any more, so I doubt they’ll pay much attention to me.

        • http://www.facebook.com/vkristoffersen Valadia Kristoffersen

          Keep up the good work!! And may the Force be With you!! (Sorry, an attempt at humor. This is so… depressing…)
          But really?? You are awesome at what you are doing. Thank you! A grateful nation thanks you!!

      • tekwrite

        California the home of fruits and nuts..

  • Gus Snarp

    After the revelations that this was less a prayer than a six hour revival meeting, I’m not surprised to learn how deep it goes. It’s clear that the fundamentalist, evangelical Christian culture is so ingrained in so many of the faculty, administrators, and school board that there is simply no hope that this school will comply with the law without legal action.

    Nevertheless, while I am not shocked, I am horrified.

    • tekwrite

      LMAO

  • http://twitter.com/Grrrowler Todd

    Just amazing. Apparently Jesus is more powerful than a hall pass.I’m guessing if students spent part of a school day hanging out in a gym discussing Chomsky, there’d be fallout from it.

    I do love the fact that there’s a county and a school named after Lurleen Lumpkin. I wonder if “Bunk With Me Tonight” is the school song. The county IS named after Lurleen isn’t it?

    • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

      Oh, Lumpkin County. I thought it was Bumpkin County. My mistake.

      • tekwrite

        Yeah we rednecks love our Jesus. And He loves you. Altho I dont know WHY.

    • lorimakesquilts

      Sorry, it’s named after some GA governor, before the Civil War.

  • Librepensadora

    How ironic that not praying in schools is blamed for school shootings and this school is opening itself up to the worst kind of crimes against its students because they are too busy praying at school to enforce security regulations.

    • tekwrite

      And too busy praying to kill anyone I suppose…

  • http://www.facebook.com/crystalwheel Crystal Bandy Thomas

    Actually, this school was named after…Fatty Lumpkin, who was one of Tom Bombadil’s ponies. When Frodo and his Hobbit companions, Sam, Merry and Pippin were taken by the Barrow-wights, Tom rescues them on Fatty Lumpkin. Fatty Lumpkin was not seen in Peter Jacksons Film Trilogy due to the fact that the whole Barrow-downs scene was omitted. Lumpkin befriended the Hobbits ponies and when the Hobbits ponies escaped from Bree, they went back to Bombadil’s house, mainly to see Lumpkin….figures….8-)

  • Mario Strada

    I find a modicum of relief in reading that one of the adults in question went to the cafeteria trying to corral students that weren’t praying.

    That to me says there are students that, at the very least, don’t care and care less about peer pressure than be bothered to join a marathon prayer.

    I wonder if any of those students would be willing to serve as plaintiffs.
    Could we at least hear from some of them directly to get their take?

    • Gus Snarp

      Yes, it also suggests solid grounds for a lawsuit.

  • Jane Williams

    Hemant,
    You wrote “This incident shows that people in leadership
    roles cared more about appeasing God than doing what’s best for students.”
    I am always disturbed by text like this: the word “God”
    without a qualifier. I would have preferred that your sentence be: “This
    incident shows that people in leadership roles cared more about appeasing their
    God than doing what’s best for students.” That extra word causes the sentence to
    make more sense, at least to me.

    • E. Cedric

      Then start your own fucking blog and do your own damn writing. Jesus Rim-Jobbing Christ you are a serious Anal McLooney.

      • 3lemenope

        She was making a substantive point, not merely being “anal”.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jeremy.carvalho.566 Jeremy Carvalho

          How many different gods do you think this could’ve been about? Or do you think there are different version of the abrahamic god? You do know that the top three religions in the u.s. worship the same god right? On a side note nonreligious/secular has the second high percentage of the population. That’s slightly encouraging.

          • allein

            Using the phrase “appeasing God” sort of implies that the writer may believe in God but simply disagrees that the setting was appropriate (we know otherwise, of course, but a casual reader may interpret it differently). Saying “their God” makes it clearer that the writer does not believe in “their God”; Jane can correct me if I’m wrong but I think that’s all she was getting at. I would go further and say he should use the phrasing “a god” because that makes it even clearer that the writer does not believe in their or any other god.

  • anniewhoo

    I am not a psychologist, nor an anthropologist, but the behavior of the adults and supervisors at this school looks very similar, if not identical, to the behavior of brainwashed cult members.

    • Artor

      Do ya think? It hardly takes an expert to see that. Of course, they’d deny up & down that they’re cultists, even though any rational person can see that they are.

    • newavocation

      And who know just how nuts they can get. Maybe a little Koolaid to take the kids on a field trip to a comet.

      • tekwrite

        Problem solved; so dont worry your pretty head no more!

    • http://www.facebook.com/vkristoffersen Valadia Kristoffersen

      You are SO on the money here!! RIGHT on the money!!! Gods.. You are SO correct… Scary, isn’t it???

      • anniewhoo

        Scary indeed. I wrote my comment in jest, as I think any religion, regardless of its history, is a cult. This story, however, has all of the red flags that really hone in on that point. People willing to go against the law to push their cult? Check. People willing to put others (in this case students) in potential danger through their actions or neglect? Check. People willing to lie to protect their wrongdoing? Check. I think there may be more, but it is late and I am tired. It frightens me to think that this goes on in my country.

    • tekwrite

      Oh REALLY? LMAO

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

    the sad truth is stuff like this goes on every day, all around the country. these people believe they’re in a holy war, and will continue to escalate these breeches of law. if you can, write a check to the FFRF today. we’re going to need a lot of money to make this stop.

    • tekwrite

      LMAO. Y’all peeps are SO pathetic! Such righteous outrage!

  • LesterBallard

    Well, it’s private, Christian school, so they can . . . oh, wait.

  • Mick

    My prediction:
    Not one teacher will be sacked.

    • phantomreader42

      …but despite that, christianist liars will screech at the top of their lungs for decades about the thousands of teachers fired for praying. And when it’s explained to them that nothing remotely similar to that happened, they’ll assert that exposing them to facts is an attack on their religion worse than the Holocaust.

  • Andreas Plesner

    Of course all the praying is bad. But what really got me was: “This is such a security violation. It puts all the students in harm’s way when adults just walk onto campus without prior notification.”

    As an outsider (a Dane), it seems really sad that the US has degraded to such an extent that it is completely natural to suspect anybody and everybody.

    • Nate Frein

      There’s a difference between reasonable precautions and paranoia. I find myself doubtful that even Danish schools let anyone not affiliated with the school simply walk onto the campus and interact with students without at least checking in with the school administration.

      • Stev84

        It’s not like schools are sealed off high security buildings. Usually anyone can come in. Eventually someone may ask what they are up to, but there is no one to turn them away at the door.

      • E. Cedric

        Then you have been in the USA too long. I spend quite a bit of time in Norway each year – and the schools are amazing! First off, the students actually learn and study, and the science and math geniuses are like rock stars! And the security is nonexistent – you know why? They are a civilized, peaceful, sane and progressive people and culture.

        The USA has become a cesspool of suspicion, hate, “spy on everyone and turn ‘em in” BS shithole. The problem with most Americans is they lack objectivity to their surroundings and the reality of the average situation in the country.

        Once I have the “golden number” in my accounts, I will never come back to the states. The USA’s days are over, and it ain’t coming back folks.

      • Puzzled

        Yes there is. And carrying on about the importance of keeping the outside world away from children is the latter. It is bad enough that we build places to keep kids away from the real world, and somehow expect them to learn useful things there. Then we take it a step up and shit our pants if an adult happens to walk in.

        There’s a lot of people in this country. Very few of them shoot up schools, abduct children, rape children, etc. There is no reason to check adults going into a school. Better off checking parents and relatives out – I believe strangers account for something less than 2% of all abductions.

        • Nate Frein

          You’re absolutely right. Our only choice is between keeping the campus completely open and accessible to anyone who wants to enter or putting walls around it and secreting the children in some sort of academic bomb shelter.

          I never said only “strangers” should be checked out. I think it’s prudent to require anyone who isn’t part of the faculty or student body to check in with the administrators who are responsible for the safety, well-being, and education of the students in the school.

          Being mildly concerned that in the middle of the whole clusterfuck some adults came in unsupervised is not “shitting my pants”.

          • Puzzled

            If we kept the campus completely open and accessible to anyone who wants to enter, our children would not graduate without a solid idea of what they’ve learned or why. I suggest that being concerned about ‘unsupervised adults’ is not a reasonable view of society, or of schools, it’s one born out of fear.

            • Nate Frein

              What, exactly, are random people entering campus supposed to “add” to a child’s education?

      • Agrajag

        Why ? Schools (here in Scandinavia atleast) are typically located close to where people live, i.e. in neighbourhoods where the kids freely play outside of school too. If my kids run all around the school in the evenings and weekends, why should they require perimeter-control and some kinda checkpoint for those hours when they’re attending school ?

        Sure, if you hang out at the schoolgrounds for some time, it’s perfectly plausible that some random teacher passing by would ask you what you’re doing, and if you’re disrupting or doing something unacceptable, you could get asked to leave. But there’s no fence around the school-area, and there’s nothing to stop anyone from “walking onto campus”, indeed walking across campus is the shoretest route sometimes, and a route frequently taken.

    • http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.henetz Elizabeth Henetz

      andreas, our society is so sick and twisted that it is necessary i ardently wish this were not the case, but it is look at sandy hook all those little children butchered, and there are STILL assholes in this country who believe their ability to own military-style assualt rifles trumps society’s obligation to keep children safe :(

  • http://twitter.com/InMyUnbelief TCC

    Sounds like the school board needs to step in, and any member who is related to a staff member who participated needs to recuse themselves from any vote about such action.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1739947677 Liz Zimmerman

    I have begun to seek out caves for my permanent home from here on out. I question myself daily about whether I can continue to remain in society any longer. This stuff just tells me that I cant find a cave far away or fast enough.

    • Artor

      Please stick around. We need all the help we can get sending the stone-age thinkers back to those caves.

      • E. Cedric

        The game is over, all we have now is a run-out-the-clock situation. Time to simply divorce from the human species and watch the entertainment from this point on.

        • Agrajag

          That’s nonsense. Frankly, the religious conservatives are losing the battle, atleast in the first world. Haven’t you read the blog ? Ain’t you noticed that the “nones” tripled over the last two decades ? That same-sex marriage is on the way in everywhere, that they young are considerably more liberal than the old, on the average ?

          “game is over” ? If so, it’s over ‘cos we’re winning.

    • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw m6wg4bxw

      Don’t rule out suicide as a solution.

  • Sue Blue

    Letting random people into the school unchecked is bad enough…letting random religious people into the school unchecked is even worse. How did the staff know that one of them wouldn’t turn the cafeteria into a bloodbath for Jesus? It’s happened before. Every one of the kids who wasn’t praying was a target for some nutjob fundagelical bent on “cleansing” the school of unbelievers.

    Haven’t these assholes heard of homeschooling or private religious schools? Oh, but wait….their agenda is to destroy public, secular education, not just remove their own kids from its influence. If they’re not ramming their religion down the public’s throat, it just doesn’t have the fun and excitement, does it?

    Damn it, it’s not just that the kids who were praying missed out on a day of education; all the kids in this school lost a day of learning they’ll never get back. Doesn’t the state have a mandated number of school days? How can this count as a school day when students had no teachers in class? Everyone who participated in this travesty should be fired on the spot; every board member should be removed immediately and prosecuted.

    • tekwrite

      “Letting random people into the school unchecked is bad enough…letting random religious people into the school unchecked is even worse.”

      Laughable…

    • http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.henetz Elizabeth Henetz

      honestly, my first thought was ‘what if those random adults were sexual predators?’ it’s happened before; some pervert using religion to get close to vulnerable youth, and then continuing to use their religion as justification for their crimes “oh, but i helped them find jesus, so it doesn’t matter that i raped them” and if afore-mentioned random adults were wandering around campus unsupervised, what’s to stop them from doing what they wish to these kids? it’s an absolute nightmare, security-wise, and the whole school district seems to be okay with that it honestly makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it i mean, the insanely egregious breach of the first amendment rights of the students is horrendous enough, without adding in putting them in that kind of potential peril it frightens me very much to think that this could happen, and, what is worse, that it was ALLOWED to happen the entire school district needs to be flushed clean of this insanity if i was a parent, i wouldn’t send my kids to any of their schools, no matter how much of hassle that might bring!

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    The faculty needs to be fired along with the principal and they should be required to apologize in front of the entire school for the danger that they put the students in by letting strangers onto the grounds and leaving the students unattended by their teachers for 6 hours. On top of that they need to apologize for letting some nut berate students for not praying with them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eddie-Vroom/100001026398736 Eddie Vroom

      To hell with an apology; why give them another soapbox? Just unceremoniously fire the jackwagons.

  • E. Cedric

    And again….the South. You can spin and spit vitriol about how there are good ‘uns down yonder way, but the south is the hotbed of religious viruses.

    Dewey Moye needs to be fired, investigated and castrated.

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    Outrageously bad. I can’t see how anyone could support this, regardless of religion. If it were permitted on a regular basis, all education would grind to a halt.

    • Puzzled

      Well, two things. First, religious fundamentalists want all education to grind to a halt. Second, while I think this behavior is absurd and definitely warrants firing – if by education here you mean schooling, I think you’re right, and think that schooling grinding to a halt would be the one good effect of this stupidity. If you really mean education, I don’t think that’s true.

  • Timmah

    If most of this is true, this principle and any teachers that allowed it to happen need to fired. The scariest part in all of this are the non-faculty that just showed up to join the prayer circle. Not only that it seems they were trying to get more to join. That is unacceptable on so many levels.

    • tekwrite

      Ooooh thats SO scary… NOT.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hazuki.azuma Hazuki Azuma

    The darkly hilarious thing about this is that fundamentalist literalism is a fairly new phenomenon. Didn’t Maimonedes, way back when, already make a start on non-literal interpretations of Genesis? These people call themselves Christians but they’re Bibliolators.

  • Justin Miyundees

    What a can of worms they’ve opened – they just put the inmates in charge of the asylum. Speaking of a can of worms, perhaps it’s time a group of students held a Flying Spaghetti Monster rally in the gym – has not one been touched by his noodly appendage?

    • Puzzled

      Students are not inmates, and schools are not asylums. Students (in high school for sure) are people who, for most of history, were treated as responsible adults, and who we insist, for various reasons, on infantalizing.

  • Aspieguy

    Not surprising that this happened in yet another Southern state. It’s bad enough here in Indiana.

  • http://www.facebook.com/vkristoffersen Valadia Kristoffersen

    This is insane. Freedom FROM religion! That is what we need. Really! This is just.. not right… I would have been outraged to the point of withdrawing my kids from the school. I am NOT an atheist. I am a HEATHEN… And I still laugh. They call ME the Heathen… thru all of this. Unbelieveable. Just.. unbelieveable.
    I am so glad I don’t have a dog in this fight. My kids are grown. I think people are becoming DUMBER, not SMARTER. I really do. This is .. unreal.

    • E. Cedric

      You are correct in thinking everything is getting dumbed down. And like you, I don’t have any real stake in the outcome, so if I hadn’t detached emotionally from this shit, it’d be intolerable. Frankly, all you can do to stay sane at this point is divorce yourself from any hope and view it as shadenfreud – nothing but entertainment.

  • Pistov

    We get taxed for students to learn so county tax payers should get a refund for fifty students x six hours + 12 daily teacher salary.

    • Mairianna

      Don’t forget to bill for the overhead, too: 6 hours of electricity and heat, janitorial services, secretary salaries, equipment use/maintenance, garbage collection, water and sewage, grounds maintenance, cafeteria staff……The teacher salaries are only a part of what your tax dollars cover to run a public school.

  • http://twitter.com/bazblackadder Barry Evans

    If these faculty members wanted to spend all day leading prayers, and receive a pay packet for it, they should have become ministers or priests, not teachers. Every one of them should be fired, and stripped of their teaching license.

  • Keulan

    FFRF is right. All the staff members involved in this bullshit should be fired.

  • http://www.myfathershouse.squarespace.com/ A Christian

    Do you have an article or news reel clip to back up your claims? Your other post had both, but things are getting wilder here. I’d be more inclined to believe you with some evidence.

    • onamission5

      There are three links provided. Is that not enough?

    • onamission5

      There are three links provided. Is that not enough?

      • http://www.myfathershouse.squarespace.com/ A Christian

        One link goes back to the original article. Another goes to an unrelated story, and another has a PDF file of a letter from the FFRF to the school in which it states, “it has been suggested” the incident was worse than reported. There are no testimonies of witnesses cited or claimed.

        • E. Cedric

          You are such a disingenuous asswipe. You know you are supposed to fib, lie, spin, obfuscate nor bear false witness, right? Because that is exactly what you are doing. This means you cannot be a “Christian”, you are simply a Jesus fan.

          Scummy little Xians like you are always trying to lawyer up your bible and your statements as if it were a morning horoscope you are trying to make fit into events.

          Go pick a whole bunch os rose stems, weave them into a nice crowny thorn and become the next lying/false prophet bullshit messiah.

          • http://www.myfathershouse.squarespace.com/ A Christian

            Excuse me?? Where did I cite the Bible? Where did I lie? When did I predict or proclaim anything? Why all this hostility against me? You don’t even know me.

            • E. Cedric

              And there it is! False indignance and diversion from the real issue.

              Your moniker “A Christian”….then you try and play the “show me a witness” lawyer game. You are being truly disgusting and disingenuous. You are being deliberately obtuse and trying to use rhetoric to distract from the real issue which is Christian privilege placing kids at risk, superceding law, and taking away from school teaching time.

              Do not even attempt to grasp at youe pearls and feign the vapors lady because it is going to fall on very hostile ears.

              You and your Xian pals have usurped privilege and have tried to force your bullshit myths down the rest of our collective throats since time immemorial and now you want to play the lawyer game?

              You are a foul piece of lying shit.

              • http://www.myfathershouse.squarespace.com/ A Christian

                I see. So, because you have no evidence, you will drag me through the mud instead? That makes perfect sense.

                Once again, you don’t know me. I have more atheist “pals” than I do Christian ones because the Christians don’t know what to do with me either.

                I appreciate your sentiments. You are sweet, friendly, critical-thinking atheist.

                • E. Cedric

                  Keep living in that denial and spin sister, perhaps in time you will actually believe your bullshit.

                • http://www.myfathershouse.squarespace.com/ A Christian

                  I encourage you to check out my blog: http://www.myfathershouse.squarespace.com

                  You might be surprised.

    • Nate Frein

      I doubt the FFRF would be making these claims if they did not have witnesses to back them up if this goes to court.

  • http://gristleoflife.wordpress.com/ Analog Kid

    Taliban

  • Agrajag

    Sometimes I’m glad I live where I live. (Norway) Just about everything is wrong with this story. Random people can walk onto any school-campus I’ve ever visited here, because schools being public buildings are generally open to the public. It’s just terribly sad to live in a world where allowing the general public interaction with general children is considered a huge security-risk.

    And don’t even get me started on the prayer-nonsense.

    • E. Cedric

      I spend about six months each year around Tonsberg, and I have said almost the same thing you have; schools in Norway are free and open because no one is afraid of their own shadow, nor are they armed to the nuts in a ridiculous and uncivilized fashion.

      I am in the process of buying a house in Norway and making all the legal arrangements to become a permanent resident. The USA, when the proper objectivity is reached, is a frightening, dangerous and bad place to be.

      I love Norway (I am fortunate and happy that I am half Norwegian) and her citizens. Norwegians are truly among the nicest, kindest, smartest and progressive people on the planet!

    • Mairianna

      My city has been renovating the public schools through a federal grant. The elementary school campus is at the top of my street and I walk my dog there almost daily. (I clean up her poop!) But the city somehow decided the best way to keep the property safe was to put up “Private Property” signs. I laugh ever time I walk by them. Yeah, I think, it’s “Private Property” for everyone who pays taxes. Duh!

  • oneofthenones

    I read this and my jaw about dropped. It’s an awful feeling to know there are school authority figures who put their belief in a god over their job duties and keeping students safe. But this is from an atheist perspective. I told my Christian husband about this and he damn near applauded the school staff for what they did. To a Christian, this story is inspiring and encourages them to be more pro-active in their faith. But at what cost?

    • MsDragonSlayer

      apparently the tax-payers dime. sad really. Do it on your own time on your own dime

  • SeekerLancer

    I can’t believe how this just keeps getting more and more absurd. Some heads really need to roll over this.

    It’s not even just deplorable from a freedom of religion standpoint anymore, but from a negligence one.

  • rwlawoffice

    So FFRF states in their letter that they have information to believe certain things and you take it as truth? They don’t name their sources or how they supposedly know what they claim but people should be fired.

    What evidence do you have to claim that the adults who came on campus did not check in at the office or otherwise follow security protocol? Adults are allowed on campuses if they follow procedures. Why jump to the conclusion that these people who entered the campus did not follow those procedures and placed the students at risk?

    And once again we have the atheist meme- if this was a Muslim prayer people would be fired already. Just couldn’t help yourself.

    • http://twitter.com/CA_DixieMay DixieMay

      You can’t possibly be proposing that “if this was a Muslim prayer”, an Atheist discussion group, a talk by His Holiness The Dalai Lam or Christopher Hitchens that heads WOULDN’T have rolled…because that be completely lol silliness on your part. There would have been NONE of that happening at this GA School. This illegal act of outrageously poor judgement was allowed and encouraged solely because it was a “Christian” event.

  • Bingermama

    This is a bunch of hogwash. If people in this world would just quit nit-picking, and mind their own business, then the quality of life in this nation would would be so much better!! Live and LET live. Gosh, why do people have to whine and cry about every little thing?? This has never been a perfect world, and it will never be. If it doesn’t involve you directly, don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill. Geesh!!

    • http://twitter.com/TychaBrahe TychaBrahe

      I’m sure Amanda Berry is glad Charles Ramsey didn’t mind his own business.

    • MsDragonSlayer

      do it on your own time and on your own dime.

    • LivinginVA

      You consider being told “no, you have to stay here and listen to this” as “live and let live?”

  • http://www.facebook.com/yosoymusica John Sullivan

    A little too Ironic and I really do think!

  • tekwrite

    Aw chill. You’ll get over it!

  • KyukiYoshida

    Our taxes do not pay them to indoctrinate our children, we pay them to properly and accurately educate out children to ensure they have a bright future, while keeping them in a safe setting. If they want to pray, they can do it in church. The fact that random adults were allowed in the building and apparently were free roaming, one even harassing other students without any measures being taken, is absolutely horrifying. Every single staff member that was in on this should never work as a teacher again. If the students were skipping class for any other reason, it would be counted as a truancy, which one is usually arrested for in my state.


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