Why Star Wars is Like Religion

This is a guest post by Brian Dooley.


Star Wars isn’t as good as it’s supposed to be. The stiff acting is often a match for the poor scripting. The once-groundbreaking special effects are no longer breathtaking. Many of the plot points — suspension of disbelief notwithstanding — don’t hold water.

But that’s not to say I’m not a fan. I love Star Wars. I always have. For as long as I can remember, I’ve been an unrepentant Star Wars geek with unbalanced tendencies toward anyone who begins to speak poorly about the Holy Trilogy or kindly about Episodes I, II, or III. I’ve spent the last 30 years as a Star Wars fanboy. I’m not even sure how I ended up married to a woman who had never even seen the films.

I’m also formerly Christian.

Though I stopped believing in God well over a decade ago, there was a time when I considered entering the ministry, or at the very least teaching in a Christian school system. Not to belabor the point, but I was entrenched in the system. Now, I am proudly atheist, and strongly anti-theist to boot.

So why bring all of this up? Because Star Wars isn’t perfect. And it wasn’t until I began looking at the films from a post-Christian perspective that I realized that. The truth is I’ve known this for a while but I could bring myself to admit it until now.

My Star Wars worship has been virtually analogous to my Judeo-Christian upbringing. Here’s how:


  • For all of their socio-cultural value, the core mythologies are merely an echo of the numerous mythologies preceding them (Mithra, Horus, and Ra; meet Westerns, Cinema Serials, and Joseph Campbell).
  • There is a schism between people who follow only the Old Testament (Episodes IV, V, and VI) and those who embrace the Old and the New (I am a Star Wars Jew; the prequels are abominable).
  • The agreed upon scriptures have been retranslated, redacted, appended, and retconned by men in power in order to maintain control and achieve personal gain.
  • Different sects value different translations and interpretations of the core scriptures (I am a Star Wars Hasidic Jew, as the purest form of Star Wars is the unedited version where Han shoots first and Jabba is only in Return of the Jedi).
  • Fanatic adherents and scholars are constantly searching for clues, artifacts, and heretofore unknown texts and materials.


  • Loyalty to a chosen dogma creates bonds of trust and friendship in subsections of larger communities and societies.
  • There are frequent formal and informal gatherings of community members.
  • There is ceaseless discussion and debate within passionate communities over minutiae and errata.
  • A wealth of supplemental materials is constantly being produced, including stories both in and out of canon, retellings of favorite tales, and children’s versions. This exposes as many people as possible to the sagas and helps perpetuate a strong community (and, of course, ongoing income for the leaders).
  • There is a reverence held for the people most directly involved in the creation and maintenance of the mythology (Lucas being the Pope — at once worshiped and reviled. See also: Ford, Fisher, Williams, and Hamill).


  • While believing their chosen path to be harmless and peaceful, devotees are often severely judgmental and dismissive of anyone who doesn’t share the same affinity for the subject matter.
  • Adherents will fiercely defend their chosen dogma, often with emotional, baseless recitations of common retorts (“The acting is supposed to feel like a B-movie! It’s a tribute!” or “God works in mysterious ways! It’s not supposed to make sense!”).
  • There is a dogged unwillingness to release the grip on the worship of the religion, even after facts are made evident.

These last few strike me the hardest. Even with my anti-theist bent, I have lived the bulk of my life denying the simple, harmless fact that Star Wars isn’t perfect. I have defended its perfection to countless people, including my wife, and have been angry at people for not seeing things my way (again, my poor, unindoctrinated wife) that I’ve stopped speaking to them altogether for periods of time.

As much as I’m not proud of this, it brings me to the biggest revelation of the whole argument.

Giving up on something you’ve loved so much and for so long that it has become a part of your daily existence is hard. There are some of you who might not have ever loved Star Wars in the fanatical (possibly unhealthy) way that I did (and still kind of do). But if you have anything in your life that you hold dear in this way, then you know — if even in a small way — how frightening and deflating it can be to realize that it’s all an illusion.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the folks out there — the ones fighting the hardest to cling to their traditional beliefs — are scared. Maybe you can be the one to give them A New Hope.


Brian Dooley is the lead of a content marketing team, a loving father, and a doting husband. When not doing those things, Brian loves to read and write, brew beer, geek out, and start businesses.

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • L.Long

    Same with me with your story as well as StarWars–But I like all of them for different reasons but the 1st three made are the holiest texts.

  • Space Cadet

    Personally, I’m a big fan of the Star Wars Apocrypha, i.e. the Extended Universe. My hope is that one day those books will be considered Canon by all fans.

  • ortcutt

    Star Wars fandom is much healthier than religion because everyone involved realizes that it’s fiction.

  • http://twitter.com/RecAgnostic Recovering Agnostic
  • eric

    I’m star wars hasidic too. There’s pretty much only one ‘remake’ that Lucas could release that I’d buy; the original movie on a DVD format, and by original I mean with the visible square boxes around the TIE fighters and all.

    Possibly one of the most disturbing things for me is that I find the pacing of the first movie less and less tolerable as time goes on; its slow. Yet I know that it’s my attention span that’s changing, getting smaller due to social influences. The movie itself is just fine; its no slower than many good stories from the first several thousand years of human civilization, no slower than many great movies from the first seven decades of film.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

    Saying that Star Wars is like religion is HIGHLY INSULTING…

    … to Star Wars!

  • Reginald Selkirk

    Because Star Wars isn’t perfect.

    Go ahead, say bad things about Star Wars.

    Star Trek, on the other hand, is perfect.

  • Bad_homonym

    Wow. A Hasidic fan who brews his own beer. Are you my long lost twin? I have to say though that some of the novels written around the movies have been a good read. Also the movie “Fan Boys” was a lot of fun for me
    May The Force be with you all, when his noodly appendage can’t be!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

    Obligatory link to “Religious People Are Nerds”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNtnN_DiP3o (although not all of the jokes in that sketch are that good).

  • busterggi

    Fie upon all of you for I personally met the incarnation back in 1977 when I shook hands with Buster Crabbe – the one true Flash Gordon.

  • AxeGrrl

    This left me thinking one thing……..Triumph the Insult Comic Dog needs to do a segment at a religious ceremony!! :)

    If you haven’t seen this, you must. Hysterical :)

    Triumph at the Star Wars Attack of the Clones premiere in NYC

  • Hat Stealer

    It’s WHAT??

  • Tainda

    Beat me to it

  • ortcutt

    He’d have a field day with all of the cosplay they do in the Vatican.

  • DavidMHart

    I’m not quite sure I’d agree with your ‘Judaism/Christianity’ for ‘original trilogy/original and new trilogy’ metaphor. The new trilogy concern mythology that has been retrospectively inserted prior to the events of the original trilogy.

    I would suggest:
    Judaism – those who enjoy A New Hope as a stand-alone single movie adventure, and regard Empire and Return as being a new testament that is of no relevance (these people may be rare relative to ‘Christians’, but then, actual Jews are rare relative to actual Christians)

    Christianity – those who also enjoy Empire and Return, considering them to be the fulfilment of the prophecies contained in Hope

    Mormonism – those who admire the full original trilogy, but also hold to the odd belief that a badly-written pastiche of the style of the original, concerning events set before the supposed fulfilment of the whole story, are in fact an important part of the story.

    Or is that unfair?

  • http://twitter.com/fmitchell Frank Mitchell

    BTW, you guys did hear about an altercation between Star Wars fans and Doctor Who fans … blown out of proportion, but still relevant to the Star Wars as Religion analogy: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2013/05/ultimate-star-wars-vs-doctor-who-nerd-fight-wasnt/65261/

    Oh, and Vader is “more machine than man”, according to Obi-Wan. The Doctor hacks machines on a regular basis, at range. Just saying.

  • ortcutt

    Even Neelix, the Jar-Jar Binks of Star Trek?

  • http://profiles.google.com/david.mike.simon David Simon

    Dude, Neelix was awesome! Repent!

  • WallofSleep

    I watched the first Star Wars when I was about six, and Darth Vader instantly became my favorite character. In the religion of Star Wars, would I be labeled as Sithtanic?

  • JA

    Hm, it seems I am also a Star Wars Jew.

  • Mark W.


  • http://twitter.com/the_ewan Ewan

    That is a brilliant turn of phrase.

  • RobMcCune

    Not to mention that sitting through an enraging movie once every few years is a lot cheaper than tithing.

  • midnight rambler

    So does that mean that any fans of the forthcoming J.J. Abrams Star Wars movies will be Star Wars Mormons?

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    I’ve recently seen Christianity referred to on Tumblr as the Jesus fandom. There are indeed a lot of similarities between fandoms and religions. Makes you wonder if it’s just the natural human tendency to form opinions and argue with our neighbors over minor details.

    I loved the original “Star Wars” films, but as a former Lutheran, if someone says “May the Force be with you,” I feel compelled to answer, “And also with you.”

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    I was always a bit EU fan as well. My original draft had about a thousand tiny points of correlation. I read like every SWEU book that came out before 1996…ultimately I had to stop because I just couldn’t keep up.

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    I always was a fan of the novels as well. I’m guessing, in light of the new revelation, that I would probably not feel the same way.

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley


  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    I anxiously await Disney and Abram’s attempt at converting me back, whether it be Mormonism or Scientology, it should be lens-flarey and brilliant! =)

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    I was sad to read that story…I guess more sad that it didn’t turn out to be juicier. DISCLAIMER: While I’ve apparently turned my back on the Star Wars faith, I’m still a devout Whovian.

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    Love it.

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    Hemant, thanks for giving me a voice here. I’m happy to see the reactions.

  • http://abb3w.livejournal.com/ abb3w

    Compare the classic paper “Star Trek Fandom as a Religious Phenomenon” by Michael Jindra (doi:10.2307/3712174).

  • Tainda

    Yes! And even Kes!

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    Super fun post over on your site. Thanks!

  • ortcutt

    When I have insomnia, I think of Kes. Works every time.

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    ME TOO! I just did it on May 4, when I congregated with friends to share the gospel!

  • Gus Snarp

    That’s brilliant. But where do people who accept A New Hope and Empire, but not Jedi or the prequels fit?

  • AxeGrrl

    *teehee* too true! and thanks for introducing a new term to me (I had to look up “cosplay” :)

  • Gus Snarp

    Doesn’t everybody do that?

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I was a huge fan of the original Star Wars. I saw it the weekend it opened in Dallas and almost every Thursday (dollar movie night) at the local mall for the entire summer. I wasn’t a big fan of the prequel trilogy and while some of that has to do with bad writing and poor acting (although I don’t know who could have acted such dreadful dialogue) I think the main problem is the new-agey bullshit that permeates the entire series. It’s not so much science fiction as metaphysical fantasy. It comes off as foolish and silly so that conversations about Star Wars are to me about as interesting as conversations about homeopathy with about the same level of eye rolling.

    Meanwhile, I saw the new Star Trek movie which I thought was fantastic. I won’t talk about the plot so as not to spoil it for those who haven’t been yet but it’s really good in the best of that tradition, mainly it’s tackling of current moral and social issues in a fictional context.

    And it’s funny that this would be compared to religion because watching the Man of Steel trailer I was reminded of a frequent thought I have that this material serves the same purpose in our culture the myths and legends did in previous times. It’s not so much that people believed those stories literally (I suspect often that they did not) but that they are useful in expressing our morals and values and also made for good action-filled yarns to tell. Instead of storytelling around a campfire, we have 3D classes and IMAX screens, but the purpose in expressing our moral values in an entertaining way is no different.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    Roddenberry was a visionary. He saw a world past racism and cold war. He couldn’t really see past sexism, but it was only 1966-69.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

    Tad off topic but when someone does sneeze, I say; may the force be with you.

  • Space Cadet

    I made it a few years longer than you did, stopping after Chewie died. I picked up that series again last year and was amazed at how many books had been released since then. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to catch up, now!

  • meekinheritance

    A book I read in my youth, while at some Xian retreat. I actually spoke with the author and got to shake his hand. http://www.amazon.com/Star-wars-trek-century-Christians/dp/B0006YIL3I

    Star Wars, Star trek: And the 21st Century Christians
    I wonder if I still have it in storage somewhere.

  • corps_suk

    Sorry but Whovians are the Who’s in Whoville that somehow know about Jesus and Christmas.
    On other snowflakes I guess there is Whoslims and Hindwhos…just saying

  • aoscott

    hahahaha almost destroyed my computer by spraying water all over it!

  • Tainda

    I never thought of that. Perfect!

    I work on Sudoku’s every time she is on the screen. No kidding lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-W-Busch/578120211 Michael W Busch

    The original concept of Star Trek was far better than the broadcast version in that respect – gender-neutral uniform uniforms, and the second-in-command of the Enterprise was originally a woman. Those plans were unfortunately vetoed by the network, which thought they wouldn’t sell well.

  • DavidMHart

    I had no idea such a faction existed. I guess they’re the … um … Rastafarians? … Santo Daime?

    Dang, I think you just broke my metaphor.

  • Stan

    Yeah, those cardboard sets back in the 60s were perfection.

  • John Quixote

    Frell, people, everyone knows that only Scapers have the one true religion, and Gaters, Trekkies, Whovians, Star Warriors, and Galacticans are going to burn in hezmana.

    Of course, there’s a special layer of suffering for GINOans (you know: heretics who think that Starbuck was a chick and humans made the cylons).

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    I’m glad to see that nowhere in your canon do you mention the-holiday-special-that-must-not-be-mentioned. Ever.

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    What about Whoddhists…or Practitioners of WhoDoo?

  • Drakk

    Don’t be silly, we all know the movies are fiction. We’re talking about the real events that the movies were based on.

  • The Other Weirdo

    Yeah, except for all those world-ending, apocalyptic weapons every starship carried, Starfleet General Order 24, the somewhat fascist society of the Federation that cared nothing for individual lives(even in the TNG times: “It’s a long way down to the bottom of the warp core shaft.”), the occasional tendency of Starfleet captains going batshit insane and setting up their own little fiefdoms, hand weapons and personal gear that will not only fucking KILL you stone dead, but will also erase you entirely from existence and the substitution of aliens for the enemies of the time. Apart from all that, it saw a world past racism and cold war.

  • Pierce Presley

    And the apocrypha make an appearance!

  • http://www.zenironman.com/ Brian Dooley

    Great reflections, all. I;ve stayed out of the Trek conversations, as I am a child of TNG, and never got to a fanatical place with my liking. This must be how “normal” people experience any fandom.

    That being said, we here today won’t be the first to point out comic books and superheroes are DEFINITELY analagous to polytheistic pantheons of old, especially when considering that superheroes swoop in to save mere mortals all the time, and are often crushed by their own foibles and tragic flaws.

    Superman, IMO, is the king of this pantheon, no matter your thoughts on him or what publishing house you have tattooed on your calf. In addition to hundreds of other superheroes, Superman has always been my favorite God of that subset of mythologies.

    What is different, however, about comic-book fandom from Christianity or Star Wars fandom is that the incredible wealth of conflicting, out-of-canon, author-specific, and era-specific material that predates our modern era of celebrated geekiness and hyper-fanatacism. The community is, by and large, not divided on what things should or should not be included in canon. The /idea/ and /pholosophy/ of Supes are more important than the specific words he’s used, or in what order his fights scenes appeared.

    Comic book fandom also has the added benefit of being able to dislike something that’s happened in their characters’ stories for exactly as long as it takes for the publishers to start a new title or to retcon the whole story.

  • corps_suk

    Love it…wonder if there is a JerWhosalem by Whoville

  • Randay

    Everyone mentions Campbell. I suggest that you also read J.G. Frazer, “The Golden Bough” and Robert Graves, “The Hebrew Myths” and “The Greek Myths”. These two writers give good accounts of the origins of Judeo-Christian myths. Oops, I almost forgot Robert Grave’s “The White Goddess”. Originally society was matriarchal and not patriarchal.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

    sigh. no, society was not “originally matriarchal.” i’m sorry, but that’s popular fiction, not fact. as a scholar of the oldest societies, i just have to speak up here. this is one of my peeves. when i was a wee undergrad, i read some of those books and thought the same thing. long years of study of the actual ancient texts disabused me of that notion.

    there are some interesting highlights and exceptions to patriarchy. but the plain truth is that it’s very rare and never long lasting, speaking of examples of “matriarchy” as popularly defined. perhaps in truly ancient times, when proto-humans were still covered in hair and eating live ants, “matriarchy” could be applied. i’m not a paleoanthropologist, so i’m not up on the latest research on that question. but if you’re speaking of modern (within the last 10K years) societies, no. no matriarchies have ever dominated or been long lasting in human civilization.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

    i am Impressed. my dad got me hooked on Flash when i was very young.

    this has bothered me for a long time. google is useless in this regard. when i was about 7, there was an animated series on for a short time, Flash Gordon. this was in the 70s. it was very well drawn, and waaaaay too sexually suggestive for children, which is why i got up a 6am on saturday to watch it. i don’t remember who made it, when it was canceled, or any other relevant details.

    anybody else remember that? this is pre-cable, pre-internet, old school TV where UHS and VHS made a difference.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

    this is me, total dork, posting multiple times on the STSW thread…

    i never got into the EU. i’ve been told that much of it is worth it. i’m a lifetime SF fan and have read a huge library of classics, moderns, you name it. i love SF.

    but if we’re treating Trek and SW as religions (Whovians are apostates imho) i have to say: it just feels… wrong. wrong to read a book that goes beyond the films and visual product.

    the Canon is visual. period. there is only one Lucas. there is only one Gene. no one else should be creating narratives about the universes of Trek and SW.

    i know this puts me in a minority, today. think of me as a Gnostic. one of the earliest Christians that still exist today, but in very small number.

    also: JJ redeemed himself with the first remake of Trek. i’m looking forward to seeing the new one. there was a time when i wanted to kill him, no joke. and kes is hot. too, also.

  • Stev84

    The network told him to chose between Spock and Number One. He could have had her in, but in the long run having Spock was the correct decision.

  • Stev84

    The TNG characters in particular often had an extreme superiority complex with their “we are the evolved master race and everyone else is a primitive savage” attitude.

  • The Other Weirdo

    I dunno about that, that’s not the read I got from TNG at all. Certainly they felt that way about 20th century Earth and anything(and anyone) who came from it. About others… I didn’t think so, but it’s been quite a while since I’ve watched any of it. It’s on Netflix, but I just can’t bring myself to watch more than a few select episodes.

  • The Other Weirdo

    I never worry about decades-old special effects that was state of the art at the time. People did the best they could. Sometimes it holds up(The Forbidden Planet, Star Wars), sometimes it doesn’t(ST: TOS and often TNG). Either way, it’s all about the story and characters, not the FX.

    Unless of course it’s 1960-style FX being used in a 21 century production. Then we are perfectly justified in mocking it.

  • The Other Weirdo

    Sexually suggestive Flash Gordon? The devil you say. Why, I never. Are you sure it wasn’t Flesh Gordon?

  • The Other Weirdo

    I only say it May 4th.

  • Jono H

    Just a comment on formatting. I have to go beyond the fold to discover that this article wasn’t “by” Hemant Metha. It was posted by Hemant, but not written by him.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Hemant Mehta

    Would you have preferred the highlighted author bit on the front page? (Seriously asking. I wasn’t sure whether or not to include it on the front page.)

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    I’m not even sure how I ended up married to a woman who had never even seen the films.

    It caught my attention.

  • Space Cadet

    I’ll be totally upfront…I don’t like ST or Dr. Who. I’ve tried but never been able to get into either of them. I haven’t seen the JJ Trek yet, so no comment on that.

    *ducks the barrage of stones thrown at me*

    While I’ll always hold the original trilogy very high I don’t think the novels (for the most part) have taken anything away from the characters. Yes, Lucas created them, but the EU greatly expanded on who those characters are/were. Without the books we wouldn’t get to see in depth Luke’s philosophical struggles with the powers he has or Leia’s development as diplomat, President and eventually mother.

    We also got introduced, very early in the EU thanks to Timothy Zahn, some great characters that have been mainstays throughout the series like Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, Admiral Palleon and, IMO, the only antagonist equal to Vader in sheer awesomeness- Grand Admiral Thrawn. If I were a praying man I’d be on my knees everyday praying that Zahn’s Thrawn trilogy made it to the silver screen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TinaHIllmanSchmidt Tina Hillman Schmidt

    Of COURSE SW is like a religion – Jedi, or the Force, IS a religion. Don’t you recall Han Solo’s line in “A New Hope”? Something like “Hokey religions and ancient swords aren’t any match for a good blaster.” Granted, the prequel trilogy based force ability on mitichlorians, but it was still a religion, complete with a prophecy – that Annikan would bring balance to the force. Some people think it was by becoming the second Sith, which would make sense – by that time, there was a rule of two with the Sith, a master and an apprentice, to keep Sith infighting from destroying each other, as they did previously (but that’s probably more SW history than you wanted to know).

    But, as another poster said, at least the SW fans realize it’s fiction, as opposed to believers of actual religions.

    And as you know, although the special effects seem a little cheesy now (for the original trilogy), they were seriously cutting edge when the movies were first released. The prequel trilogy is the same thing – seriously cutting edge special effects. It seemed to me that the prequel trilogy was more “look what I can do with special effects” by Lucas than anything else.

    As far as community, mindset, etc., the same can be said for Star Trek, the Lord of the Rings books, even Dungeons and Dragons. They are just as rabid, and some refuse to follow “new information” (take D&D 4th edition, or new volumes released by Christopher Tolkein, even though they were originally written by his father, but not completely, I believe – I could be wrong). Oh, and for Star Wars, don’t forget about the people that also rabidly stand by the extended universe – particularly the books (of which there are a ton), but from what I understand, as far as canon, it’s movies first, then books, so if there is something in a book that disagrees with a movie, the movie is to be taken first.

  • Jono H

    Yes. I would have liked to know you were not the author earlier.

  • Gus Snarp

    Actually, I think you just have to expand Judaism to include Empire, a far more likely set of folks to find, and then just Hope is Hasidism. So you get:

    Only A New Hope, all else is false: Hasidism.
    A New Hope and Empire: Judaism.
    The Original Trilogy: Christianity.
    And all six films: Mormonism.

    Then you’ve got all the assorted comics and novels and TV shows as various and sundry apocrypha and other teachings accepted by a number of different sects so varied they’re not worth listing…

  • nude0007

    I initially loved the first movies because it was a “true” religion. there WAS a power in the universe that you could tap by concentration! POWER was the thing I looked for in religion and didn’t find. That was the big thing that made me doubt. where’s the beef? Later, they got into this catholic bs about the jedi had to be celibate, and I groaned and shuddered and my heart sunk. ridiculous! why would a supreme power that was inherently mindless care what you did with your private parts? Medracholrians further ruined the whole thing. IF there was a physical thing that made you have the power, why not gather or create these things and inject yourself with massive amounts of them? To me, the “further development of the religious aspects” is what made the latter movies suck. we don’t need another religion, and they went out of their way to destroy the things that made the original religion, the Force, work. Who WOULDN’T follow a religion that had real, demonstrable power?
    I’ve been wanting to get that out for decades. thanks.

  • Charles Honeycutt


    It’s fine for you to be part of a fandom, but anyone who doesn’t toe your geek line is without jest a socially impaired man-child who doesn’t read anything else.

  • Dirk

    The Minangkabau?