Ray Comfort Must Think Lying For Jesus Is Okay

Evangelist Ray Comfort is best-known for his unintentionally comical homage to the banana, a fruit that he claims proves the existence of an intelligent designer.

While the man is usually just an amusing buffoon, he is not without traits that God, were He real, would surely frown upon. Malice and mendacity, to name but two.

In this video below, recently released via YouTube user potholer54, we encounter Comfort interviewing two young atheists and asking them a question about ethics. Everyone seems cordial enough, but keep watching to witness the after-the-fact switcheroo. In the cut-and-edited version of Comfort’s video, he’s changed the question, the better to blacken the atheists’ viewpoint.

Bad monkey, no banana!

About Terry Firma

Terry Firma, though born and Journalism-school-educated in Europe, has lived in the U.S. for the past 20-odd years. Stateside, his feature articles have been published in the New York Times, Reason, Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Wired. Terry is the founder and Main Mischief Maker of Moral Compass, a site that pokes fun at the delusional claim by people of faith that a belief in God equips them with superior moral standards.

  • glenn dork

    Every time I hear about Ray Comfort it think of that ditty by Fela Kuti called “Monkey Banana”

  • Gus Snarp

    Ray Comfort must think lying for Jesus is OK.

    From the video:

    Apparently it’s OK to lie as long as you’ve been saved by Jesus.

    That’s exactly what Comfort believes, and a lot of other Christians too. As long as you’ve been saved, the immorality of your behavior no longer matters. Jesus will forgive you anything as long as you’ve accepted him as your savior. Ordinarily you have to show that you’ve repented, which would include making a sincere effort to change your behavior, instead of glibly using it in support of the cause of evangelism, but there are still plenty of Christians, Comfort included, who think that penetence simply means you feel a little bad about it and you still get to go to heaven.

    I used to know a Christian who made a public display of praying before every meal, but really believed that his faith in Jesus redeemed his continual habit of theft.

    This is, of course, one of the great moral crimes of the Christian religion: it gives people a get out of jail free card that never expires.

    • TiltedHorizon

      “This is, of course, one of the great moral crimes of the Christian
      religion: it gives people a get out of jail free card that never
      expires.”

      I watched an episode of Dr Phil recently called: “Confronting the Girl Who Shot Me In the Face”. The victim, Shawna who was 17 when she was shot in the face at point blank range with a shotgun, described her hardships resulting from the shooting; her many surgeries, her disfigurement, the challenges and cruelties by society for no longer being “normal’. It was heartbreaking.

      In the later segment when the shooter comes out to tell her side of the story she states: “In the back of my head, I don’t think about Shawna (the victim), GOD HAS CLOSED OUT THAT PART OF MY LIFE. I’ve been moving on and moving forward with my life. I paid my debt to society and to Shawna because I did my time in jail.”

      In another part of the same interview the shooter goes on to explain that she only thinks of Shawna from time to time but she has already asked god for forgiveness. Later she goes on a tirade about god being good and forgiveness, she explains that she has forgiven herself (presumably because god forgives her). While she eventually gives a heartfelt apology, it did not come freely, she had to resurrect her accountability from the shallow grave of god’s forgiveness.

      http://drphil.com/shows/show/2029/

      Had it not been for the show, the shooter may never have felt the need to apologize since god already absolved her.

      • WallofSleep

        “… she had to resurrect her accountability from the shallow grave of god’s forgiveness.”

        Loved that line. Pure gold.

      • Mario Strada

        How about paying for the fucking surgeries and the damages? Wasn’t she sentenced to pay for that? I’ll bet that would keep the victim in her mind for a bit longer and at least once a month, bitch.

      • Gus Snarp

        Was it Hitchens in God is Not Great who wrote about how horribly immoral the notion that some third party can grant you forgiveness is? If Christians chose to simply see the notion of forgiveness as a guideline to living their own lives – that they ought to be forgiving themselves – that would be fine and beautiful. But when they begin to believe that some third party has the power to forgive them, rather than the real victim of their actions, that is the path to evil.

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          Also George Bernard Shaw in “Androcles and the Lion”

          SPINTHO. What does it matter? If you die in the arena, you’ll be a martyr; and all martyrs go to heaven, no matter what they have done. That’s so, isn’t it, Ferrovius?

          FERROVIUS. Yes: that is so, if we are faithful to the end.

          LAVINIA. I’m not so sure.

          SPINTHO. Don’t say that. That’s blasphemy. Don’t say that, I tell you. We shall be saved, no matter WHAT we do.

          LAVINIA. Perhaps you men will all go into heaven bravely and in triumph, with your heads erect and golden trumpets sounding for you. But I am sure I shall only be allowed to squeeze myself in through a little crack in the gate after a great deal of begging. I am not good always: I have moments only.

          SPINTHO. You’re talking nonsense, woman. I tell you, martyrdom pays all scores.

          The different characters represent different kinds of Christians. Spintho likes the idea that it doesn’t matter what he does, so long as he dies a martyr, he’s guaranteed entry to heaven.

          http://www.fullbooks.com/Androcles-and-the-Lion.html

        • glenn dork

          Hitchens’ major point is that religion is immoral.

          His case is watertight.

        • Bdole

          3rd party forgivenes? From their perspective only god matters – your fellow human isn’t even worth considering.

          Psalm 51:4

          A psalm of David. When the prophet Nathan came to him after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba. [Bdole: And he had her husband put to death on the battlefield to cover up his adultery]

          4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
          and done what is evil in your sight;
          so you are right in your verdict
          and justified when you judge.

          emphasis mine.

  • Rain

    Evangelist Ray Comfort is best-known for his unintentionally comical homage to the banana

    I wouldn’t be so sure it was completely unintentional. It did get him a lot of free publicity, you know…

  • Kengi

    “Commandment void if prohibited by law in certain nation-states or if such testimony will be used to exalt Me so I look oh so much bigger and better than any other idol, false or otherwise.”

    Just one of several lost footnotes from the original. (Fine print was not easy to do in stone when working with lightning as a chisel…)

  • DougI

    According to Ray it’s perfectly acceptable to murder, lie, etc. as long as you accept Jesus afterwards. Ray is a fundy, he has no morality. He’s the reason we need prisons.

  • Artor

    Thanks much for the clarification. I’d always assumed that Comfort was an ignorant, deluded weasel, but now it’s clear that he’s a deliberately dishonest lying ratbag. Good to know.

    BTW, I wouldn’t do the murder-for-hire, I’d take the story to the police, without mentioning the attempt to hire me as a hit man. If the woman was a friend or relative, I’d do it for free.

    • Matt Martin

      Thank you! I wouldn’t murder someone just because ‘a very rich lady’ says he’s a wife beater. In order to do that, I’d have to believe that her life was in immediate danger. It doesn’t sound this way in his scenario. It sounds much more like premeditated murder.

      I’m an atheist, and honestly think it’s reprehensible BEFORE THE EDIT. Don’t get me wrong… I understand how the edit makes it worse. I also understand that these were off the cuff remarks by the guys being interviewed. Still messed up regardless.

      • Gus Snarp

        I basically agree with you about the morality of the situation. As for me, I would not even conceive of killing someone unless it were the only way of immediately saving another life, and even then I’m not sure I’d kill. But in this case we have to also consider what Ray is trying to do. He wants to make these people look immoral to most Americans, and I think that most Americans would assume from the question that the woman was telling the truth and that it was moral to kill an abuser, Americans seem to generally think that everybody who does bad things ought to be killed. They’re bending over backward to find a way to execute the kidnapper in Cleveland who didn’t kill anybody. I think that’s morally reprehensible, but what Ray’s trying to convince people of is that he’s found somebody that they would think is morally reprehensible, when what they’ve said is really something a large number of Americans would say.

      • cannedam

        Thank you! I was horrified listening to the original and the edited, for this very reason! Killing someone who isn’t actively murdering another person at the moment isn’t something in my “things I could do” list.

  • LesterBallard

    They all believe lying for Jesus is okay.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brian.westley Brian Westley

    “Ray Comfruit”

  • Castilliano

    Ray Comfort: The monkey who uses a banana to prove he’s not an ape.

  • Sweetredtele

    Ray Comfort doesn’t think.

  • Octoberfurst

    Ahh the joys of selective editing! Ray must have learned that trick from Fox News. The trouble is that when the truth is revealed people still remember the lie.

    Idiot: “I seen a Ray Comfort video an all them atheists said they would kill fer money. Thas wot being godless does fer ya!”

    Me: “That video had the real question edited out to make the atheists look bad.”

    Idiot: “I seen the video! They said they would kill someone for free!”

    Me: >sigh<

    • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

      I’m sure randal.morrison will be gleefully mentioning it for years.

  • JET

    I believe a few years ago, Comfort released his own edited version of On the Origin of Species adding his own forward and leaving out a few chapters so as to make it easier to refute. When someone called him on it, showing him his text and the original, he just kept insisting that he had not removed any chapters. The man is insane.

    • Cafeeine

      Let’s not forget that part of that foreword was apparently plagiarized from someone else’s work:
      http://aigbusted.blogspot.ca/2009/11/ray-comfort-plagiarist.html

      • David Kopp

        I hate being that guy, but it’s a “foreword”, as in a word at the beginning. Not a “forward”. I normally would let it slide, but multiple people doing it… my inner wordsmith is going apoplectic ;)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreword

        • Cafeeine

          Good catch, corrected. For what its worth, it was a mistype, as I know the word.

  • SeekerLancer

    Not the first time we caught him in a lie. It won’t be the last.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

    it needs to be said: this is one of the prime reasons and purposes of religion. to excuse the inexcusable. to give cover to the liar, the criminal, the thief, the hypocrite. to provide a living to the professional grifter, slacker, those who don’t want to contribute to reality and society but want to benefit from it.

    my father’s ur-narrative about religion, one that i don’t really disagree with, is that religion was created, way back when people were mostly naked and living in caves, or whatever, was because one (probably) guy realized, “oh shit. i need an excuse. i lied/stole/murdered/raped someone, and i’m about to get caught.” this person was very creative, and there was a big storm or something happening. thus, the first religion was created. “Behold, my supposed guilt is nothing in comparison to what could happen, right now, to everyone! what i did was to appease the storm deity.”

    “deity? what’s that?”

    “the thing that is going to consume and destroy us now, if we don’t placate it with wealth and valuables. give yours to me now. and then i will tell you a story about His creation of us all, and His plan… He may be appeased. i’ll let you know next week.”

    distraction works, yo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ammon.dowis Ammon Dowis

    Apparently they admitted to believing in god, yet he still made the video. He isn’t really lying for Jesus, he’s lying for money.

  • greend

    This is my college campus. I actually saw him asking people questions on campus. He actually tried to stop me and ask questions, but I told him I was heading to class. I never even recognized him.

  • ~SoACTing

    Just another example of him setting out to defend a particular belief where the goal is to advance the cause of Christianity as opposed to seeking the truth.

    ~ SoACTing

  • Carpinions

    How did someone come across the original cut of the 2 guys on the bench? Was it Comfort being so stupid – yet again – as to post that video by itself along with the video that includes the other cuts, and then pass both off as being about the same moral question?

    It’s obvious from the second video that the audio of his question doesn’t belong to the video of the 2 guys answering about the abusive husband. You can hear all sorts of bustling and people talking in the background, and then it cuts to 2 dudes sittin’ on a bench outside on a cloudy day with much quieter audio.

    Comfort is not only a shameless liar, he can’t even cut a halfway decent video that isn’t blatantly misleading by its editing alone.

  • Berta

    Bananas? Proof of god. I have always felt that the presence of mosquitos proves that there is NO god.

  • unrman

    I’d say Ray was simply summarizing the scenario for sake of time. The point is those people were willing to murder, regardless if it saves someone from an abusive situation or if they get money out of it. Murder is a sin. If they were God-fearing individuals, murdering someone would not have been an option, regardless of the outcome. This isn’t meant to imply a woman in an abusive situation shouldn’t be helped. There are just other ways to do so without murdering someone.

    Honestly, this is grasping for straws just to make Ray look bad in order to avoid the real intention behind the question: to show that people are sinful and in need of a savior.

    • JohnnieCanuck

      Sins are imaginary. Since no gods are known to exist, there is no way to sin against them. There are immoral acts and there are illegal acts. These may or may not be forgiven by the victims, but imaginary beings are not needed to save putative transgressors from the anger of other/the same imaginary beings.

      Priests in religious hierarchies make these rules up to the benefit of themselves, primarily. Getcher red-hot indulgences here, while they last. Cheap when you consider the consequences.

    • null

      Morality of gods flock…

      Samuel 15:3 “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ ”

      Hosea 13:16 “The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.”

    • Derpington_The_Third

      Killing in self defense is not murder. Murder is malicious intent to do grave bodily harm.

  • SauronHimself

    I’m not sure Ray Comfort actually believes. I wonder if he’s just another Peter Popoff, Billy Graham, or Jerry Falwell who plays the role of the convincing charlatan and profits off the credulity of genuine believers. His fringe evangelism and demeanor are starting to suggest that.

  • dbrant

    Atheist should be silent. Why blog about something you dont believe exists ?


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