Faculty Speaker at Public School Graduation: ‘We Don’t Need More Women as CEOs’

On June 2nd, Peter Heck, a social studies teacher at Eastern High School in Greentown, Indiana, gave a controversial commencement speech at the school’s graduation ceremony. Among other things, he made several comments about female students’ future responsibilities regarding work and family:

Peter Heck

Ladies, I challenge you to a life of rebellion. To recognize that your body is a temple that is deserving of honor, not indiscretion. I challenge you to be women of virtue, finding beauty not in how many unprincipled men you can attract, but rather finding beauty in modesty and self-respect. I challenge you to devote yourself to family, to your children.

If you choose to have a career, God’s blessings upon you, but I challenge you to recognize what the world scoffs at… that your greatest role of your life will be that of wife and mother. That the greatest impact you will ever contribute to our world is a loving and devoted investment into the lives of your precious children. To solve the problems plaguing our society, we don’t need more women as CEOs, we need more women as invested mothers.

That excerpt comes from his website, which, if you visit, shows you this pop-up:

The link leads to a portion of his speech. It’s interesting that he doesn’t offer the speech in its entirety on his own website. One would think that printing the whole speech, with full context, would be beneficial to Heck in refuting the “irresponsible reporting,” but I digress…

Several news outlets featured students talking about Heck’s inherent sexism and discouragement of female students. One of them quoted a student saying, “It jumped out at me that he said [the female graduates] shouldn’t pursue a professional career.”

Huffington Post puts this speech in a broader context:

Heck’s comments come on the heels of the rising popularity of Sheryl Sandberg’s “Lean In” message and a Pew report stating that the number of working mother breadwinners has increased. Now women are the primary financial providers in 40 percent of households with children.

This isn’t the first time Heck has expressed disdain for shifting gender dynamics. In a blog post from July 2012 in the wake of the Aurora shooting, Heck described the present day as “an age where we too often yield to the idiotic sniveling of modern feminism that suggests there is no place in our enlightened society for men to act as ‘protectors’ of women.”

I could elaborate on the problems with the excerpt from Heck’s speech line-by-line, but instead I will only comment on a couple that jumped out at me. The major point of contention was his comment about how a woman’s “greatest role… will be that of wife and mother,” amplifying a traditional stereotype. He also dismisses and discourages women who have no desire to marry or have children and discounts those whose goals may include becoming a high-level executive. Young women about to enter adulthood should be encouraged to pursue the lives that they feel will bring them the most joy and fulfillment whether that be as a wife and mother and/or a CEO.

Second, I noted the absence of sex-positivity. He told the women not to use their body for “indiscretion” and not attracting “unprincipled men.” This was a commencement speech, not church, and Heck shouldn’t have commented on this at all. A woman has the right to use her body as she pleases and should not be shamed for the number or kind of men (or women, for that matter) she chooses to be with. I wonder what his thoughts are on lesbian marriage, single-motherhood, trans women, those who do not fit neatly into the gender binary, and asexuality.

For more examples of Heck’s worldview that will likely result in you shaking your head in frustration, you only need to peruse his website for a few minutes. Not only does he express his outmoded views on women and relationships, but he also misinforms on science and atheism. He has a couple dozen videos that are real gems, like “Wrong Way Atheist” where he compares atheism to driving the wrong way on a one-way street. It’s a bad idea, he admits, to follow everyone else if they jumped off a cliff… but when it comes to religion, he says next, it makes logical sense:

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Also, “Burying Evolution in Info” is a three-minute video where he gives an inaccurate description of what “evolutionists” think while again using several logical fallacies.

His website has recently been revamped, but his Facebook page still has posts up from his old site showcasing his point-of-view.

Also, worth noting: he is a proponent of the Bible Literacy Project whose mission it is to “a encourage and facilitate the academic study of the Bible in public schools.”

I thought the big church/state graduation issue this year was administrators needing to green-light students’ speeches before they get onstage. Maybe they need to start doing that for faculty speakers as well.

(Thanks to Josh for the link!)

About Bridget R. Gaudette

Bridget R. Gaudette is the Executive Director of the Humanists of Florida Association and the Marketing & Grants Manager for Foundation Beyond Belief. Bridget was a contributor to the book, BlackNones, a book highlighting black atheist conversion stories and is currently writing a book, Grieving for the Living: Effects of Disownment in Adulthood.

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  • Willy Occam


    I find it amusing (and entirely fitting) that even his last name has been sanitized.

  • Gus Snarp

    While there’s technically nothing wrong with being a public school teacher while also being an evangelical preacher on the side, it seems to me that if he’s saying things like that at a public school graduation (a violation of the 1st amendment in its own right) and he’s doing that kind of evangelical preaching, we ought to be very concerned about just what he’s teaching in the classroom.

  • ortcutt

    Sometimes I feel like there is nothing we can do about rural America. It’s completely screwed up and I don’t see how anything we do is going to change that.

  • Gus Snarp

    And crikey, that wrong way atheist analogy fails on so many levels. First, not 99.99% of humanity. That’s just wrong. Second, yes, the majority of humanity have tended to believe in some kind of god, but that’s rather meaningless. If there were a real god, and belief in god was so common because it was belief in a real thing, wouldn’t there be some kind of consensus? His fleet of cars all going the same direction would actually be going in all different directions at once and shooting at each other out the windows because they each thought the other was going the wrong way. Something a bit like this: http://vimeo.com/32958521

    [EDIT: And the atheist is the one standing safely off the road saying, guys, you're going to get somebody killed driving like that, could you at least keep your cars off my sidewalk?]

  • Beth

    I’m a mother and the breadwinner AND i’m godless.
    My husband is Mr. Mom and agnostic
    Oh shit a giant storm is headed our way…
    must be jebus’ wrath

  • Rain

    If he’s so clean and wholesome, then why so much phony loud-mouthed hyperbole? And why the obvious rehearsing of crowd manipulation techniques? It’s almost as though he could make a show out of it and take it on the road and make a bunch of cash on the huckster circuit. OH WAIT.

  • Beth

    AND I just bought my preschooler a kids book on evolution…
    I really am the religious Right’s nightmare.

  • BrandonUB

    While I’m not a fan of the tenor of his speech, I can say that as a man, I’m more concerned with my role as a partner for my girlfriend than I am with how far my career advances. Luckily, I don’t have to be only one thing, and neither do women, but I am a bit skeptical of whether people that put their career ahead of their family are really doing what will make them happy in the long run.

  • Bdole

    It wouldn’t be half as bad if he at least had the presence of mind to say something to the boys. Aren’t their most important roles to be fathers – or do kids not need fathers in his mind? And aren’t they, too, supposed to be sexually pure? Why is it always women who bear the brunt of all this bullshit?

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    Actually, given God’s and Jesus’ wrath-aiming ability, it’s your neighbors who ought to be worried.

  • flyb

    OH NO HE DINT!!11!

  • 3lemenope

    They say the same about urban life. Dens of iniquity, and all that?

    One professor of mine pointed out that the entire Old Testament can be read through an anti-urban lens. Pastoral goatherding == GOOD, settling down and building big buildings == BAD. Over and over and over again.

  • onamission5

    I have tried and tried to come up with a witty retort to Mr. Heck’s gender essentialist garbage, but all I am left with is…

    Dear Mr. Heck: FUCK YOU. Also, your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.

    Not nice or civil enough? Too fucking bad. He can couch his hostility toward women with as many flowery words and smiles as he likes, it still doesn’t make it anything but sexist horseshit worthy of scorn.

  • 3lemenope

    I imagine if he were giving that general advice, nobody would have a reasonable objection. Family IS important. It’s that he directed his comments in that vein at only the women in the audience, and told them that it is their responsibility to be a homemaker. We need more committed fathers than we need more male CEOs too, but somehow I don’t think he’d agree.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    To recognize that your body is a temple….

    I tried to use my body as a temple once. Even built myself an alter. It wasn’t very comfortable, and I had a bugger of a time getting it out.

  • Willy Occam

    “Aren’t their most important roles to be fathers – or do kids not need fathers in his mind?”

    This is only an important issue when he needs ammo to rail against gay marriage.

  • Paul Rimmer

    Though the statements Heck made in his speech were too broad and sexist, the sentiment is often true. Not all women and not only women find being a spouse and parent the most important role of their lives.

    Being a husband and father is the most important role of my life.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    I had a sunday school teacher who said that Gosh, Golly and Heck were all just as bad, because it’s the intent that counts and not the pronunciation. She also thought that, even though fuck and shit were bad words, they weren’t nearly as bad as saying Gosh.

  • eric

    Well first, he’s clearly targeting women for exceptional treatment. He’s not saying “graduates keep it in your pants” or “graduates put more value on your kids than your work.”
    Second, there’s a difference between me deciding to put my family ahead of my work, and a commencement speaker telling me the only right way to live my life is to put my family ahead of my work. I’m with Hemant in that I think a graduation speaker should focus a little more on expanding kids’ horizons, not contracting them.

  • Hat Stealer

    This is a prime example of why we shouldn’t let people like this get into power. They seek to reduce women to the role of breeders, useful only for churning out children to be baptized. They don’t respect women- they see women as a pair of breasts and a uterus.

  • Bdole

    Exactly. Or single motherhood.

  • http://www.everydayintheparkwithgeorge.com/ Matt Eggler

    I’ve spent the past four and a half years as a stay at home dad. I must say I agree; if a woman chooses to have children her greatest role should be that of being a mother. But the same is true for men. IF you choose to have children they should be your top priority regardless of your gender.

    If you don’t want to make your children your top priority don’t have them, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to have children. There are seven fucking billion of us on the planet. We are hardly desperate for more. I see to many families every day, across all demographic groups, whose children are accessories or obligations and are given the short end of their parents’ priorities.

    But conservative christians like Peter Heck with their lopsided and unevenly enforced gender roles built on obligation as opposed to desire and commitment; these people are a massive anchor holding back civilization.

  • C Peterson

    Well, tools like this exist, no doubt about it.

    Was there nobody in the audience with the courage to shout him down, or simply walk out? That’s disappointing. I would not have stayed seated for such offensive tripe.

  • Anna

    Boy, the awful school stories just keep coming!

    It’s distressing that such a speech would have been made in 2013. Granted, this is Indiana, but it’s clear that there’s still a lot of work that needs to be done when it comes to dismantling gender stereotypes and sexist expectations.

  • BrandonUB

    Well first, he’s clearly targeting women for exceptional treatment. He’s not saying “graduates keep it in your pants” or “graduates put more value on your kids than your work.”

    Right, let me be clear, I think this guy is a dick. I just think there’s a version of this talk that wouldn’t be entirely stupid.

  • BrandonUB

    Agreed, targeting women is a huge problem here. I think my comment probably seemed more defensive of the speaker than I intended it to be. Sorry about that.

  • Lisa

    I feel like someone is a little butthurt about having a woman for a boss.

  • Kevin Beach

    Watch his YouTube video “Peter Heck – What Our Schools Should Teach”, scary shit. I’m surprised they let him be a teacher. I bet he’s done all sorts of other crap.

  • Sue Blue

    These idiots are always such absolutists. Women are either sluts or saints – there’s nothing in between. Career women are always selfish bitches – they can’t be warm, caring mothers at the same time. Strong, independent, successful women are “man-hating feminazis” who can’t possibly be attractive or feminine or have happy sexual relationships. They can’t conceive of the complexities of life or the fact that gender roles change constantly with age, family and social dynamics, and a whole host of other factors. No one plays only one major role during their lives. Things just aren’t that cut and dried.

    Religious fundamentalists of all stripes have curiously inflexible thought processes – narrow, rigid, and passive (they crave externally imposed rules and supervision) – and they share those traits with the mentally ill and the mentally retarded. Is it any wonder they get accused of being both?

    This guy obviously doesn’t respect the church-state boundary and has no problem cramming his beliefs down the throats of his students. He should be fired. Such blatant sexism wouldn’t be tolerated in any other workplace.

  • Bridget Gaudette

    That stood out to me too lol

  • Michael W Busch

    I just bought my preschooler a kids book on evolution

    Which one? I’ve been thinking of sending my cousin’s kids a science-themed birthday present (since they liked “Why Does The Sun Really Shine?”).

  • Beth

    When I came out to my husband as an atheist Sandy hit. In Ohio we didn’t get the full force but the strong winds did knock down my neighbor’s tree. Missed again!

  • Bridget Gaudette

    Family is not all it’s cracked up to be. My family disowned me for rejecting my religious upbringing so my career is ahead of most of my family. I have also chosen to remain childless. Heck would be *very* disappointed in me.

  • Michael W Busch

    it’s clear that there’s still a lot of work that needs to be done when
    it comes to dismantling gender stereotypes and sexist expectations.

    That much is certain. But is Indiana that worse than many other places?

  • Bridget Gaudette

    “and shooting at each other out the windows” lol. True!

  • Regina Carol Moore

    So what did he say to the men about behaving unprincipled? Or does he assume they will behave however they choose, and that’s perfectly fine?

  • Beth

    Our Family Tree: An Evolution Story

    by Lisa Westberg Peters

    Its the story of how we used to be single cells but we had DNA like we do now, … we were fish and we had backbones …
    He likes it

  • Regina Carol Moore

    I’d love to talk to some of the women in the audience who had to listen to this speech.

  • Anna

    Well, I can’t imagine ever hearing anything like that where I live! I’m sure it exists within the evangelical subculture here, but not in mainstream society.

  • beatonfam

    What the heck, Peter?

  • smalltownamy

    What did he say to the men in the audience about being a husband and father and how those are the most important roles of THEIR lives? Oh, wait, they can have a spouse, kids, and a job – I guess the Y chromosome carries the multi-tasking gene.

    How is it that we’re still having this stupid conversation? It was stupid when Dan Quayle was talking about (fictional) Murphy Brown and it’s even more stupid all these years later.

    No one with this narrow of a world view should be educating kids. Kids deserve teachers who can see all of the possibilities and are excited to prepare kids for whatever future lies ahead. Teach them how to think, not what to think.

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    Bleah. Let’s turn that around and see how condescending it sounds:

    “Gentlemen, I challenge you to a life of rebellion. To recognize that your body is a temple that is deserving of honor, not indiscretion. I challenge you to be men of virtue, finding beauty not in how many unprincipled women you can attract, but rather finding beauty in modesty and self-respect. I challenge you to devote yourself to family, to your children.

    “If you choose to have a career, God’s blessings upon you, but I challenge you to recognize what the world scoffs at… that your greatest role of your life will be that of husband and father. That the greatest impact you will ever contribute to our world is a loving and devoted investment into the lives of your precious children. To solve the problems plaguing our society, we don’t need more men as CEOs, we need more men as invested fathers.”

    I can’t imagine anyone saying that to young men. “Rebel against society’s expectations and devote yourself to home and children. Keep yourself pure and virtuous, because your body is a temple, and modesty is an important quality of manhood. If you WANT to have a career, that’s lovely *insert condescending pat on head*, but don’t forget that what’s really important is staying home with the kids!”

    What about people who choose to stay single, or not to have kids? Why is it assumed that boys WILL have a career, but that women CHOOSE to have a career? If you do choose to have kids, I agree that being a parent is a very important role– but the problem is that no one ever tells boys that a career is optional, or suggests that their lives should be focused on their children.

    This is the second thing you’ve posted today that would have made me absolutely outraged if it had happened at one of my kids’ graduations. Urrrrghhhh.

  • Kristopher Spencer

    ‘Peter Heck’? Is he married to Sam Darn?

  • Michael W Busch

    Sexism exists everywhere (I’ve seen it among professional scientists who ought to know better). Some places it is more overt than in others. But it seems problematic to say “that couldn’t happen here” or to say “he’s from place X, so that’s why he’s sexist”. It can become a way of excusing people from responsibility for their bigotry.

  • Anna

    Sexism does exist everywhere, even in liberal California. But this level of blatant sexism, in a graduation speech at a public school, absolutely could not happen here. I don’t say that lightly. San Francisco is not perfect, but it just wouldn’t be tolerated.

  • slightlyamused

    The problem with modern media is that every moron can get international exposure.

  • Naithom

    So, the male graduates are allowed random sex and don’t need to worry about being a spouse and father being their number one concern? Wow.

  • Michael W Busch


  • BrandonUB

    I don’t think it’s a good graduation speech, but those first couple paragraphs don’t sound stupid to me at all. I think we could stand that to be a standard message pounded into the heads of Ivy League MBAs. Not the god babble and “modesty” so much, but the values of thinking of the people close to you rather than the prestige of a career.

  • Jeff Morris

    Then shouldn’t the most important role for a man be that of a father? Maybe we don’t need any CEOs? That would be fabulous.

  • baal

    Wow, he’s a truck full of bad ideas. His support for ‘purity’ is the one that stuck up a little higher than the rest for me.

  • Michael W Busch

    And that is a good thing for the population of San Francisco. But there is still a lot of work to do, even there, as you say (e.g. the “Good News Club” and their deliberate co-opting of the public school environment to promote sexism).

  • cary_w

    How come they never go after the boys with this kind of crap? If women are primary breadwinners in 40% of households now, doesn’t that mean that in 40% of households the men have failed to fulfill their duty as breadwinner? Seems like he should be chiding the men for this and telling the boys to go out and earn enough to support their families. The “protectors of women” have obviously not been doing their job, so go after them and leave the poor girls alone!

    And then he chides the girls for “attracting unprincipled men”, but says nothing at all against the “unprincipled men” themselves! Guess he’s OK with the guys being “unprincipled”, but shame on you girls for looking attractive!

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    I don’t have a problem with that; I’m just saying NO ONE SAYS THIS TO YOUNG MEN. “Be modest! Keep yourself pure! Devote yourself to your children!” None of that is ever said to young men. Maybe it should be, and maybe not. I’m not a fan of the “modesty and purity” concept anyway; I like sex and don’t have moral issues with it on the whole. And while devoting yourself to your family is important, lots of people devote themselves to their family by supporting them as well as spending time with them, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Still others choose not to have children at all, and there’s nothing wrong with that either.

    The big problem with the quoted portion of the speech is that it’s aimed squarely at young women. If it were more of a general thing it wouldn’t be quite so bad, though it’s still rife with ideas like modesty and purity that don’t really belong in a graduation speech.

  • Anon

    Men like this is why we really DO need more female CEO’s.
    Also, fuck you dude, some of the girls you are talking to may have been sexually abused or raped. Some of them may not have, or may lose, their ability to have children. Some of them may carry genetic diseases they do not want to pass on. Some of them are lesbians or asexual. Some of them just don’t want kids.
    This is the 21st fucking century. Women do not fucking have to stay at home and have kids and you should not be telling them that that is the best they should hope for.

  • BrandonUB

    Right, I agree completely. The problem is the gendered targeting of the speech. The actual content doesn’t seem so bad to me, for the most part. I disagree with his sex-negative and pro-god rhetoric, but the core idea that people focus too intently on the wrong things is, in my view, basically right.

    For what it’s worth, I don’t have kids and I don’t want them. I’m surely not saying that it’s incumbent on anyone to have kids that they don’t want. If someone’s going to have them though, I think it’s important that they be much more deeply invested in the kids than they are in acquiring as many dollars as possible.

  • Sunny Day

    I’m happy that he’s stood up to speak to graduating students. I’m glad he was unafraid to tell us who he is and what he believes.

    People need to be aware so they can take steps and minimize the impact the Peter Heck’s of this world will have on us.

  • Mario Strada

    Here is this loser’s Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/thepeterheckshow?feature=watch

    He is an even a bigger loser than one would gather by this little speech he gave. This guy has no business teaching at a school. He is dangerous. He is a veritable fountain of bigotry, nonsense and right wing demagoguery.

  • Michael W Busch

    I’m glad he was unafraid to tell us who he is and what he believes.

    That is a fine thing. But a public school graduation ceremony is not a place to do it. He’s there representing the school, and by extension the government. He does not have the same freedom of speech there as he does as a private citizen.

    People need to be aware so they can take steps and minimize the impact the Peter Hecks of this world will have on us.

    That is certainly true. I would hope that would be included in the curriculum well before high school graduation – since sexist stereotyping takes effect very early in life, we need to combat it throughout the entire school system.

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    Well, I’m a mom, and I was once a spouse. These parts of my life are/were very important to me, and I am indeed very “deeply invested” in family, but as well as a parent, I’m also a person who goes on when those parts of my life are over. My husband has been dead for six years, but my life continues. Eventually all my children will leave home, and my life will still continue. It’s certainly a good thing to focus on family, but there’s a balance to be had there, too. I hate to see young women told that their lives should be all about children, because honestly, that’s not all there is. If you have children, you have to be prepared to put a whole lot of time and love into raising them, but you’re still a person with a life of his or her own. This is perhaps why the fundamentalist preoccupation with women-as-wives-and-mothers bothers me so much– I never feel like they really see women as individuals, or as people with their own lives.

  • cary_w

    It’s absurd when it’s only directed at one sex, it could be a reasonable speech if it were directed at both the boys and the girls. If he challenged everyone to respect their own bodies and devote themselves to their families and their children, and pointed out that whatever career path they take, the most important thing in life is still your family. Yeah, then it starts sounding pretty good, but as it stands, directed only at girls, it’s just a condescending sexist rant clearly intending to make the girls feel guilty for wanting to take care of themselves.

  • Sven2547

    So I note that he says “we don’t need more men as millionaire entrepreneurs”. Does that make it better? Not really. He tells women to be modest, and he tells men not to be tempted by women. It’s a classic (and badly outmoded) double-standard.

  • RobMcCune

    The thought of you having a loving, happy family is what causes them to wake in the middle of the night with a cold sweat.

  • RobMcCune

    On the other hand, this guy is teaching students social studies 8 months out of the year.

  • rhodent

    You know what’s the cherry atop this misogynistic sundae? The fact the he would say that following these very precise instructions on how women should act constitutes “a life of rebellion”. Any person (female or male) or takes to heart his first sentence will, by necessity, ignore everything else he says.

  • smalltownamy

    Hopefully not for long. And probably not as many students as he did last year after this stunt. My mom would have had me out of his class so fast heads would spin.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    Why was Heck chosen to address the graduates anyway?

  • closetatheist

    I just….good gawd. I’m too mortified to think about this long enough to make a comment about his backward thinking. It’s disgusting that he wasn’t stopped and I hope he is no longer respected among the young people he teaches.

  • smalltownamy

    I can imagine hearing this tripe at a graduation in my small town (if I ever attended graduations). I like to think I would stand up and scream, “Are you kidding?” and I know some women and men here in rural Indiana who would have my back. But it’s likely I would be seen as the crazy lady who ruined graduation for the class of 2013. Sigh.

  • Crystal Bandy Thomas

    Hear, hear…Ms Blue!

  • onamission5

    This is the part of that double standard which has always most confused me–
    Since women are supposed to keep ourselves off limits for purity/hymen/virginity’s sake and the religious conservatives won’t let men have the horrible awful no good very bad gay sex, I wonder who it is they are supposed to be having random sex with?

  • Gus Snarp

    But….In this video he says rebellion is the problem. http://www.peterheck.com/speaking/vrolesinhome
    I’m so confused by the mixed message. Should my wife rebel by quitting her job and staying at home with the kids, or should she not rebel by quitting her job and staying at home with the kids? Thank goodness I’m a man, I don’t have to change anything!

  • allein

    Barnes & Noble does a holiday book drive in its stores every year (each store chooses one or two local groups to distribute them to), and I usually do some sort of theme each year when deciding what to donate (the theme is purely for my own amusement). The year before last there was a kids’ book on evolution mentioned in a post (either here or Daylight Atheism, I forget), and then in the comments there were a few other titles mentioned. So that made my theme for that year. I had to order them, so when they came in I sat in the cafe with some hot chocolate and read them all before buying them. (They would be for a little bit older kids but if you’re interested I can track down the titles for you.)

    Last year when I was doing my shopping they were asking people to donate teen books so I got a couple copies of the paperback of The Magic of Reality.

  • Spuddie

    I thought it was Holly Sheht or Wanda Theresa Fudge

  • Monika Jankun-Kelly

    My dad did his share of caring for us kids, of nurturing and teaching us, and I’m grateful for it. So glad my dad did not subscribe to Heck’s model of family. It’s an insult to women AND men.

  • Spuddie

    All the Turtle Wax in the world can’t polish that turd.

  • Regina Carol Moore

    It would have been awesome if the audience had booed him offstage. God, I would have loved that.

  • talkingsnake

    “Evolution; How We and All Living Things Came to Be” by Daniel Loxton is also very good.

  • ShoeUnited

    Nothing in the bible against a knothole and some lube.

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    Well, some women are whores obviously! You go have sex with them since they’re not pure/hymenal/whatever. Or you go rape yourself a virgin because she showed a whole inch of ankle and you couldn’t control yourself, and then she’s not pure anymore, and you can pass her to all your friends now because she’s obviously a worthless whore now.

    Yes, this is vicious and angry. Yes, that is actually the reasoning behind a shocking amount of rape culture, which is why I am angry.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    You, too, huh?

  • Michael W Busch

    Cultural change can and does happen. It does take time and effort.

  • eonL5

    That’s the 3 million $ question, isn’t it?

  • JET

    “Due to recent irresponsible reporting by the national media…”
    I am guessing that would be a huge, resounding “You have your head up your ass, Mr. Heck.” Or something to that effect.
    I hope 1) students who had to listen to this tripe hit their social media in full force and call this asshole exactly what he is, 2) the school’s administration, district and board of education get a shit-ton of letters registering their disgust at what they allowed this teacher to say at a high school graduation, and 3) that those same school, district and board personnel are so embarrassed by the media shit-storm he created that they chastise him for his stupidity as they stammer and stutter their apologies.


    Why is it always a man, with a religious axe to grind, who knows what’s best for women?

  • onamission5

    Yes, that is the unspoken message behind it all, isn’t it? That some women and girls are bad so you can do what you want with them, whether they want you to or not, because good girls do xyz and if you don’t always xyz then you’re bad and…

    …and of course, we should all try very hard to be good girls because look what happens to bad ones, they get what they deserve, amirite?

    Gah. I need a bar of brain soap now.

  • Dana

    What a misogynist idiot. I can’t have children even if I wanted them, so according to this guy I can never contribute anything to society that’s as of much value as a woman who raises a child? Fu*k him.

  • Miss_Beara

    Boys will be boys.

  • CottonBlimp

    The thing that jumped out at me was how does a man tell a woman the right way to be a woman?

    How is he possibly in a position to know what the most rewarding life is, not just for A woman, but for EVERY woman who has ever lived? How can he possibly get off advocating a lifestyle he would never adopt himself?

    Seriously, I would really hesitate to use my personal experiences to give advice to someone I knew very intimately on how to live their life. This guy uses hearsay and platitudes to authoritatively TELL people he’s never met exactly how they should live.

  • wanderer

    Agree, Anna. There are absolutely certain places (like SF) where this would just never be tolerated.

  • wanderer

    Some of them never thought they could succeed in a career or get a college degree, but were hoping they would be inspired and told “go for it” by their commencement speaker. Some of them wanted to be believed in. Instead those girls were told “don’t even try. Your brain isn’t your best feature.”

  • Bridget Gaudette

    My family disowned me. My work in the nonprofit sector is more important to me. Careers are often not about “prestige” but doing something you love and fulfills you.

  • Bridget Gaudette

    Good idea…

  • Carpinions

    As a man I want to know how the F people like Heck get through life. How do they live in this century and think this garbage? Where do these people come from?!

    The dog whistle buzzwords he really piss me off. He’s communicating out of spite and deriding his female listeners as he’s imploring them to take him at his word. He’s slapping them across the face and pretending he’s shaking their hand. Not to mention he briefly does it to the young adult males as well. “Unprincipled men”; what is that supposed to mean? That if a bunch of men unable to control themselves are attracted to a single woman, that they’re both at fault? Nice way to sneak Original Sin in, and what a cheap way to make the woman the holder of the greater amount of “sinful” power. And this is at what certainly sounds like a pubic school.

    The staff that brought this guy in should be reprimanded.

  • Emma Charles

    I would like to say I’m surprised, but unfortunately living in Indiana this is the norm. It saddens me that a school teacher could get away with being so ignorant, but I hope posts like this will help more people see what is going on, and start to fight back against the sexism and overarching Christianity that has become the norm.

  • Sunny Day

    I didn’t say it was an appropriate forum, but If you were going to wish someone would step on their dick and expose themselves as a misogynistic turd in a public setting….

    Now we know, and the school knows, the parents know, and the students know and hopefully have an example of what not to grow up to be.

  • Carpinions

    That’s all he deserves.

  • Sunny Day

    Think of how much assumed damage this guy could have done in his classes if he would have not self destructed in front of a greater audience.

    I want this kind of exposure it’s the only way some people can learn.

  • onamission5

    Let’s not throw neurodiverse people under the bus for the sake of making a point about religious fundamentalism.

  • onamission5

    One more message that women don’t have real human value added atop all the other messages that came before and will likely follow.
    It’s a crying shame.

  • captainthecapn

    Peter Heck writes for the American Family Association too.

  • onamission5

    Truly, I cannot think of even a gender neutral version of what he said that wouldn’t be either assuming people should or want to have children, shaming parents who focus on their careers, or making it even harder for single parents and young parents to get raises and promotions, and telling them it’s all their fault. A turd is a turd is a turd.

    I am reminded of a speech I was required to sit through my freshman year of college, wherein the speaker basically told every single non-traditional student in the audience that we should just give up right there because getting a degree was going to be too hard for us. There I was, single mom with a full time job and just having made the dean’s list, having to sit there and listen to an authority figure hired by my school tell me that my life was over and I had no hope of ever having the future I wanted no matter how hard I worked, simply because I’d had a baby. Her speech was entirely secular and gender neutral. It was still demoralizing horseshit.

  • Robert Weissman

    If I was there he would be introduced to the bottom of my foot

  • Robert Weissman

    you know what I think women scare the carp out of this guy- in other words he is a weakling that can’t take it

  • Bridget Gaudette

    Your comment made me really sad.. what if.. what if his words result in a female student not going after her dreams?

  • Bridget Gaudette


  • Bridget Gaudette

    It’s the girl’s fault for attracting those men. They can’t help themselves when the women is immodest.

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  • Bridget Gaudette

    Heh. It needed to be said.

  • LL

    This, in a nutshell, was my experience in Catholicism.
    Women with higher self-esteem or greater abilities for cognitive dissonance I’m sure made it through that environment alright, but I wasn’t quite one of them.

  • Bridget Gaudette

    My mother would’ve made sure I took his class :-(

  • LL

    A million times YES!
    This is a tremendous issue within my own family and community. I’ve seen the abuse/neglect of unwanted children since I was a child myself (I wasn’t one of them, luckily!), and it cemented my resolve to never have a child unless I was 1000% sure I wanted it and would put everything I had into raising it well.
    Hasn’t happened yet… :)
    The sad part is that I see this happening today, still within my own family and friends, and I know that if I ended up with one of these children, even unwanted initially, I would put so much more love and effort in than these people. I am wishing that I could take away a couple of these children right now :(. But I’m the selfish, unfulfilled, ugly excuse for a human that is ruining society…

  • randomfactor

    Funny thing is, I somewhat agree with him. We don’t necessarily need more women as CEO’s, just fewer men. Too many people already at the top of corporate megastructures, way above and out of touch with the people they “manage.”

  • Carmelita Spats

    Everyone knows that Heck is where you go when you worship the wrong Gosh.

    I wish I could invent a time machine set at 1950 for bozos like Heck to cram themselves, by the dozens, into the three-square-foot-airplane-bathroom space, all at once, once and for all, and just GO to their anachronistic dystopia. Heck’s thin-lipped overlords from the American Family Association could then hear Heck whine for the next 137 minutes about how his acid reflux has been acting up again and how the goddamn Purple Pill ain’t working and by the way, women need protectors and shouldn’t work outside the home. They would NOT be able to escape. It would be physically impossible to slide more than nine inches away from Heck and there simply wouldn’t be enough Bud Light in the time machine to turn his conversation from brain-gnawingly deadly to merely numbly sufferable. Praise!

  • Regina Carol Moore

    They will always behave however they choose if they are never called to account for their behavior.

  • SeekerLancer

    Holy crap, slow down or God might attempt to destroy you and accidentally cause a massive earthquake in China instead.

  • Anna

    Oh, certainly, and we should be extra vigilant to make sure that this type of religious sexism stays out of public schools. Even in liberal areas, fundamentalists will try to sneak it in if they get half a chance.

  • Anna

    They come out of the evangelical subculture, unfortunately, where ideas of purity and complementarianism are hammered into kids’ brains before they’re old enough to question anything.

    I never knew how good I had it growing up. I thought all girls were taught that men and women were equal and should be treated equally. I thought all girls were encouraged to have careers instead of being told that their main goal in life should be to be a wife and a mother. I had no idea there was this parallel subculture where innocent little girls were being taught just the opposite.

  • wanderer

    I am actually quite certain that for some girl(s) this happened.

  • MD

    Dear Mr. Heck:

    A mother.

  • MD

    And what about people who don’t want to have children? Don’t they get to be career-driven? What about couples where the man stays at home and focuses on the kids? What about lesbian and gay couples?
    I absolutely loathe the assumption that everyone must a) marry and b) raise a family. Not everyone desires or is cut out for that.

  • smalltownamy

    The school has a website (superintendent’s email address is on the front page) and a facebook page. We could ask.

  • Outcast Kyle

    Long story shirt. A nobody says a lot of bullshit nobody would cae about until someone makes a big fuzz about it. An I thought this was a blog about atheism, maybe a name change is needed.
    Now about the speech. Yeah right, like the world needed more moos breeding loaves into an already overpopulated world. If only more women dedicated themselves to be productive and worked intead of just breeding.

  • skinnercitycyclist

    “Even built myself an *alter*.”

    So, you mean a “clone”?

  • Space Cadet


    This looks like it could be a fantastic book. The author is a bit behind schedule right now, but the last update I got was that she had received and approved all the final artwork so hopefully they’ll be shipped out soon.

    I did the backing amount that gets me two copies, one of which I’m having sent to my 5 yr old niece in Texas. I’m anxious to see what kind of reception it gets from her parents.

  • Space Cadet

    I don’t think it could happen anywhere in the greater Bay Area, but I could see something similar happening in the Central Valley. There are areas there that are holding fast to their social conservatism.

  • Space Cadet

    After my Mom’s 2nd nasty divorce she decide to focus on her education so that she could support herself, my siblings and I without the assistance of another husband. She spent many years working during the day and going to college at night and wound up getting a Masters in education. She sacrificed years of her personal life to focus on her career so that her family would be better off in the long run. I am incredibly proud of what she was able to do.

    As usual, the world is not as black and white as people like you make it out to be.

  • BrandonUB

    Who exactly are “people like me”? You just described a situation where your mother placed her family at the top of her priority list, and yet that’s somehow a disagreement with what I said above?

  • BrandonUB

    I’m one of the people that doesn’t want children. I’ve never suggested that anyone’s obligated to get married or have children.

  • Space Cadet

    Reading the last part of your first post makes it seem like you would be skeptical of her motivations.

  • David Rice

    The sick shittard is “challenging” women to a life of slavery, poverty, suffering, and unhappiness? WTF? As if women gave a shit about what a hate-filled sociopath wants them to do. Next he will be flying passenger aircraft into sky scrapers.

  • Sue Blue

    The difference between religionuts and the neurodiverse is that the neurodiverse can’t help it and don’t seek to impose it on others.

  • Sue Blue

    I love that book! It’s great for all ages because it’s easy to understand but never condescending.

  • Michael W Busch

    A nobody says a lot of bullshit nobody would care about until someone makes a big fuzz about it.

    No. A teacher says things at a high school graduation that offended a large portion of the audience, were horribly bigoted, and were entirely inappropriate for a representative of a public school. The news media sensibly reported the problem. And then Hemant wrote a story about it.

    And I thought this was a blog about atheism, maybe a name change is needed.

    No. The official description of this blog is, approximately, “whatever Hemant wants to write about”. And Hemant likes to cover stories about church-state separation violations, which are an important problem, and particularly stories involving the public school system, in which he has a professional interest.

    Yeah right, like the world needed more moos breeding loaves into an already overpopulated world. If only more women dedicated themselves to be productive and worked instead of just breeding.

    Now you react to one form of bigotry with another, since you demean people who choose to focus on their children (notice the important thing there: choice). And you write as though you think men do not have the same responsibilities as women. Also, you are again using sexist slurs . Stop all of those.

  • Sue Blue

    My husband says this guy must be suffering from SDS (Small Dick Syndrome) to be so threatened by independent women.

  • Michael W Busch

    Is that an argument for fewer CEOs, or for more CEOs that manage smaller groups of people?

  • Psychotic Atheist

    I like the beginning of Heck’s video. The first thing we see on the screen is

    Peter Heck


    I think there is deep symbolic meaning in the word LIE being so prominent in the opening, only to zoom out to be revealed as the word believe.

  • Michael W Busch

    Religious fundamentalists of all stripes have curiously inflexible thought processes – narrow, rigid, and passive (they crave externally imposed rules and supervision) – and they share those traits with the mentally ill and the mentally retarded.

    No, they don’t “share those traits”. You are wrong to describe people with mental illness or mental disability that way – you are lumping a very large and diverse group together and assigning all of its members a set of behavior traits that apply only to a small fraction of them.

    More generally: never link religious fundamentalism with mental illness or mental disability. They are in no way the same thing.

  • Psychotic Atheist

    sorry, the ‘I’ in lie is emphasised. So the opening text symbolically reads ‘I lie’. Though I’m sure its meant to be seen as ‘I believe’… It’s even funnier that ‘I lie’ becomes ‘I believe’.

  • Outcast Kyle

    In response to the opinion no one asked.
    Yeah, a teacher in backwater town school in wherever no one gives a crap what happens that would had been completely irrelevant if nobody had took it seriously. Now Mr. Zero to the left has his 5 minutes of fame.
    And I like how whiny libtards lite to say bigotry when they don-t like something, it-s like the new witch. Really cute, but pretty stupid and pointless. Although is cuter how they think they can dictate what others can and cannot say while talking about free speech. And of course duhs are to blame the same as moos, if they didn’t decided to follow the lifescript to become walking wallets while moo keeps on overpopulating the world, then maybe no one would tell them how much of a waste they are.
    Then again, if you don-t like my opinion, stop reading it and stop being such a WLB.

  • rachel

    My biggest advice for young women: be true to yourself and don’t cave in to outside pressure to take on a traditional role. You KNOW what you really want.

  • Michael W Busch

    a teacher in backwater town school in wherever no one gives a crap

    Wrong. Many of the population of Greentown care. Many other people care too. You are not the arbiter of who gives a crap.

    And the appropriate response to people calling you on your bigotry is not to react with more bigoted speech. It is to recognize your mistake and stop being a bigot.

  • Mairianna

    I was married once. It was the man who committed the “indiscretions” and then told me he wanted a divorce. What was I supposed to say to that? — No, being a wife and mother is the only option I have so go screw around, but we have to stay together because you are what makes me whole? Peter Heck; you are an asshat.

  • Mairianna

    Sorry, Beth. That was my tree Jeebus brought down. I’m a divorced, single woman with no kids. A total looser as a woman, apparently!

  • Outcast Kyle

    Like I said; if you don’t like it, ignore it. Heed these words and your life will be much happier because unlike what you think, nobody gives a crap about your sensibilities. But I know you will keep calling everything you don’t like bigot or bigoted and keep playing the victim’s card. Although it won’t accomplish anything it is pretty cute.

  • Michael W Busch

    Like I said; if you don’t like it, ignore it

    That is just a way of saying “shut up”. I decline.

    nobody gives a crap about your sensibilities.

    We are not talking about my sensibilities. We are talking about not letting bigoted speech pass unchallenged. And you are wrong to think that there aren’t people who care about bigoted speech – that you find it necessary to try and defend your bigotry is evidence of that.

    And once again, you are not the arbitrator of who gives a crap.

    you will keep calling everything you don’t like bigot or bigoted and keep playing the victim’s card

    No, I don’t call everything I don’t like bigoted – just the things that meet the definition of bigotry.

    And, no I am not “playing the victim’s card”, since I personally am rarely the target of bigotry. And that phrase both another silencing tactic and bigoted against anyone who has ever been a victim of bigotry. Do not use it.

    it won’t accomplish anything

    Wrong. It is important to give bigotry no sanction, because in time people do learn the importance of not being bigots. I encourage you to learn that lesson.

  • BrandonUB

    That was not my intention, and I’m sorry that it came off that way. Given the generally negative reception for my comment, I assume that your reading is how most people read it, so I clearly did a crummy job communicating. Sorry about that.

  • onamission5

    So why bring negative stereotypes of neurodiverse people into the discussion at all? It just perpetuates discriminatory attitudes and inaccurate assumptions about people whose lives already have enough obstacles toward being treated as full human beings as it is, and doesn’t serve your argument very well besides.

  • onamission5

    Thank you. Care for a cookie? :D

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    Why does this keep happening? I don’t get it; I know there is and has been for a long time immense stereotype and stigma against mental illness and mental retardation, but when did it become so common for anti-theists* to link religion and atypical neurality and/or cognition? Or am I just now becoming more aware of it?

    *I lean anti-theist myself, so no, this isn’t a gratuitous slur against people I disagree with. Don’t even go there.

  • Michael W Busch

    I don’t call out bigotry for the sake of getting cookies. But, sure, as long as it doesn’t have any gluten in it.

  • Michael W Busch

    I don’t know when it started. But my suspicion is that it will keep happening as long as there are stigmas against mental illness and mental disability in the culture as a whole. If those stigmas didn’t exist, no one would make the mistake of using either as an insult.

  • J-Rex

    You could always adopt! Or maybe help out at a soup kitchen.
    Just don’t actually try to do something with your life. It’s just not your place.

  • J-Rex

    I’ll never understand why men are supposed to be in charge when they supposedly can’t control any of their behavior.

  • Bridget Gaudette

    That wasn’t the thesis. It was: women’s primary purpose is all about the vagina. For men to use and (most) babies come out.

  • Outcast Kyle

    Then you should like being a WLB a lot.

    Like you I decline to stop saying what you don’t like, s I will not stop, if it hurts your sensibilities, then fuck off.

    I’m the arbitrator of who gives a crap the same way you are the WLB of businesses that aren’t yours.

    So you can keep saying “Do not use it” like a retard, because you have no authority about what can I say and I can say whatever the fuck I want.

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    No one can stop you from being an asshole, this is true. They can just point out that you are being an asshole and that this is inappropriate behavior.

    That way, anyone reading what you say will also realize that what you’re saying isn’t actually an acceptable way to talk about people. And thus is social change slowly and painfully achieved.

  • Outcast Kyle

    Better being an assholen than being a pussy. ;)

    Or they realized that I’m right because of the WLB crying after facing the truth. Also I’m not talking about people, I’m talking about breeders.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    Then you don’t get to complain when someone calls you out on your bigotry.

  • Outcast Kyle

    Same when you receive the bitchslap of truth.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    You seriously need to shut the fuck up, kid.

  • Outcast Kyle

    You make me. If you can.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    Your “truth” isn’t actually true, and your misogyny is well-documented.

    You are, in fact, a bigot.

    Now go troll somewhere else, kiddo, the grown-ups are talking.

  • Outcast Kyle

    Whatever lets you sleep at night sweet cheeks.

    Now if you can stop whining for a minute, then go to read a true feminist http://hikinghumanist.com/

  • Anna

    This is true. There’s often an assumption that all of California is liberal, but that’s definitely not the case. There are some very conservative and rural parts of the state.

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    I have a pussy. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Nice try on the insult, though. That’s also inappropriate sexist language, by the way.

    And I’m a breeder, or likely to be soon-ish. Again; having babies is a choice people can make, and it’s neither good nor bad so long as it’s the choice of all involved. People can even *gasp* mix reproducing and working!

  • Outcast Kyle

    yeah, right. That’s why breeders are always whining about not being given time for their chyuldren and wanting to make the world turn around their brats needs because they can’t take care of them. Also it’s not like the world needs more brats running around, specially with so many parunts that lack the balls to discipline their loaves when needed http://hikinghumanist.com/2013/03/13/having-a-vagina-does-not-automatically-make-your-demand-feminist/

  • Michael W Busch

    Cut the sexist slurs. Now.

  • Michael W Busch

    Don’t insult the kids by comparing Kyle to them.

  • Michael W Busch

    I’m the arbitrator of who gives a crap the same way you are the WLB of businesses that aren’t yours.

    You do not get to decide what everyone in the world cares about. You also do not get to be a bigot and not be challenged on it.

    You have now added ableism to your list of bigotries. Don’t do that either.

  • Outcast Kyle

    And you do not get to be a be a pussy and not be challenged on it.

    And don’t be a pussy.

  • Any female with a soul

    I am disgusted that 99% of my DNA is the same as this man. Is he trapped in the 1800s? Was he dropped on his head as an infant? Or was he just born stupid? I cannot tell if such backwards, chauvinistic beliefs are developed by nurture or nature. Quandary…

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    Heh, good point.

  • Michael W Busch

    Nurture. No one is born a bigot – bigotry is a learned behavior. Fortunately, it can also be unlearned.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    Several of them. It takes a lot of trips to the home depot, and I still haven’t gotten the laser thing worked out. But soon, I’ll take over the world and it will become a dyslectic utpoia!!!

  • Rachel Warner

    he would probably balk at the idea if some one told HIM to stay in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant.

  • ZeldasCrown

    I get the feeling this guy is one of those who values blood over all else. You know the line about a person’s “real parents”. The same sort of person who calls others selfish for not having the number that they (the outsider) think that they should. Volunteering at a soup kitchen might be a little too close to having a job.

    Though personally, i agree that Dana has much to offer to society-regardless of whether she could or couldn’t have children (or even if she could have children but -gasp- just chose not to). A person’s worth isn’t determined by how many children they have-I’ve seen/heard of enough terrible and/or abusive parents to demonstrate that.

  • amycas

    I suffer from a mental illness. I am not a religious fundamentalist and I do not have “curiously inflexible thought processes.”
    How about you *not* lump us all together? k, thnx, bai

  • amycas

    If you think this is such a waste of time, then why comment? And no, you don’t get to call women “moos” and “breeders” and expect anybody to take your half-witted criticism seriously. Kindly fuck off now.

  • amycas

    Freeze Peach!!

    I knew it would come out sooner or later…

  • amycas

    Why didn’t you heed your own dumb advice and ignore this article? Oh right, because you felt the need to spew bigoted crap about women and those who have children and then expected to not be seen as an asshole.

  • Outcast Kyle

    breders is general for both men and women, although I don’t blame you for being some ignorant that you take everything personal. So I suggest you take your own avice and fuck off.

  • Outcast Kyle

    That’s because I need to pint out stupidity, it’s the smart man burden.

    And seetie, I AM an asshole, I don’t expect to be seen like one. But like said before, it’s better than being a pussy, like you will understand.

  • DianaMac

    What a disspiriting message. I’m glad you brought this to everyone’s attention! Shame on Peter Heck!

  • OhYeahBaby

    How is this piece of shit still EMPLOYED at this public school????

  • Arnie Kappeler

    An Atheist AND an Agnostic for parents? Makes it hard to decide which faith not to raise the children, right?

    (Very old joke).

  • Willa Cartwright

    ‘We Don’t Need More Women as CEOs’ … ?

    Yeah, right…. like we all need yet another misogynistic, religious, dude-bro to give morality lessons.

    The world is nearly tanked – almost exclusively because of the religiously minded and his answer is “women be mothers”.

    He’s an idiot.

  • Andre4000

    He should be fired. He did it on the taxpayer’s dime, no less.
    Contact the principal of Eastern High School, Keith Richie (765.628.3333×302), along with asst. principals Brad Fugett (765.628.3333×303) and Lindsey Brown (765.628.3333×313) (fax for all three: 765.628.5021).

  • Nancy Richard Colburn

    How dare he speak to young women like that?

  • Jeeler

    That the school would invite this pecksniff, self-righteous, smarmy, anti-intellectual Christer to give the commencement speech (no matter that he’s a faculty member and has a graduate degree) is a disgrace.

    What sort of impact does this have on young women – to have their “teacher” convey this sort of religious, far-right ideological nonsense on them?

    Of course, he’s one of the many Christer public speakers and activists of which the USA seems to be completely infected. Indeed, his “Wrong Way Atheism” is an epic failure of logic and reasoning. Any astute junior high debate club participant could destroy this simpleton in a nanosecond.

  • chipapi09

    Something that pops out at me as he delivers his discourse is that he makes the claim for Christians composing 99.9% of the world’s population.Now either followers of other beliefs such as Islam,Judaism,Hinduism etc and of course atheists do not exist in his world view or he does not consider the rest of us as humans.

  • Historian

    I am a history teacher and sole breadwinner for many decades. I am ashamed of this guy. He obviously has his own political and religious agenda and is willing to use his influence on a captive audience. He needs to go back to school and really learn about the past because his view is obviously self made. If he worked in my district or was my child’s teacher I would do everything to get him out. He does not belong in a public education setting.

  • Ann Kosa

    What a remarkable affront to intelligent life on Earth. Good heavens. This guy teaches Social Studies?

  • Leslie Bianchi

    I wouldn’t mind this – He told the women not to use their body for “indiscretion” and not attracting “unprincipled men.” – half so much id he gave equal time to telling men to keep their penises in their pants and lectured them about the meaning of “consent” and respecting women and hearing “no” etc… If you are going to shame women, shame promiscuous men too.

    I still don’t agree with him, but it wouldn’t irritate me so much.

    As for inaccurate science – Indiana is lax on education and it shows.

  • Pam Larkin

    I think everyone’s path is different, and I for one am tired of listening to men who know nothing of peoples struggles flap their lips.

  • RAS

    So much ignorance on Kyle’s part
    So little time.

  • RAS

    Let us know when you find a smart man, Mr. “pint out stupidity.” And “Its the smart man burden?” Go find one and ask him to help you with your writing AND your thinking!

  • Outcast Kyle

    Yeah, try writing fast on an iPhone… oh yeah. You probably don’t have one. why would i bother doing spellcheck when I’m you making some WLB like you cry.

  • Dave

    I like everything you said except “Mr. Mom.” With all due respect, I HATE that term. My wife earns more than I do. I work part-time and stay at home with our kids during the day. I handle most of the shopping, cooking and cleaning. I prefer to be called “Dad,” because a dad can do those chores too. Saying “Mr. Mom” just reinforces the notion that those things are women’s work.

  • Beth

    Your point is taken, my husband took the title from the movie.

  • Dave

    I know; I think the movie is the reason most people use that term. It was a silly, entertaining movie, and I probably shouldn’t get bent out of shape. Hard to believe, but that movie is already 30 years old. I hope in another 30 years, that term will be out of our lexicon.

  • David Starkey

    It isn’t the speaker’s right or responsibility to try to limit the vision or horizon of potential for ANYONE in the audience.
    Attempting to force a limited world view on people the very day of their greatest achievement in life thus far, is counterproductive, rude in the extreme, and one could make a case for it being worthy of a punch in the mouth.

  • David Starkey

    It’s Jesus.
    And he never rejected anyone.
    Only organized religion has done so in his name.
    It’s a pity, to take someone who taught, preached & LIVED universal acceptance, forgiveness & love, and bastardize it so that they can sell THEIR version of Dr. Jesus Snake Oil.
    Jesus didn’t think much of the hypocrisy of the organized religion of his day. I have that in common with him. I also try not to reject anyone and accept everyone. Not too long ago there was a Newsweek cover that basically said; if your church doesn’t agree with Jesus, dump your church & follow Jesus.
    I think that is an EXCELLENT idea. Need a label for it? I call myself a “freelance Christian”.
    Oh, and God gave you the mind to question his existence & you are SUPPOSED to use it. So don’t worry.

  • Rain

    Those are lovely thoughts but presumably you don’t know if God gave anyone anything. But you’re talking like you know it for a fact. Not that they aren’t fine sentiments.

  • Science

    It is funny, you are so willing to blindly believe in a theory while denouncing the possibility of a God. That isn’t to say creationism is right, but it is to say that we don’t know anything for sure with evolution.

  • Beth

    Sir or Madam,
    I was a Methodist for almost 30 years, I taught creationism to elementary-schoolers. I was a believer, I prayed and ‘spoke to’ god everyday.
    I was a science denier until I was 20, then I felt that evolution was god-guided. I went to college and took a few biology and molecular genetic classes. I’m no expert on evolution or biology (I’m in the forensic chemistry field) but I understand enough about evolution that I wouldn’t say I blindly ‘believe’ it. It’s the best model we have, and if a flaw is found the model is changed, that’s how science works.
    It wasn’t evolution that led me away from god.

  • Kathleen Young Rybarczyk

    Ok, the test here – if this were a WOMAN telling this crap to BOYS would the world be outraged? You betcha. So it’s wrong. Plain and simple.

  • Neal Feldman

    This idiot gets an F- on critical thinking with his populist fallacy.

  • David Starkey

    I was talking about a hypothetical situation in which someone is being judged by God & they were an atheist.
    It’s the argument I’d use.

  • Rain

    Whoops sorry bout that. :D

  • amycas

    Ah yes, misogyny, it’s better for you to be a terrible person than to be assumed to be a woman. How elegant.

  • Outcast Kyle

    2 weeks for a reply… What a quick thinker. xD

    You see misogyny in your skewed feminazi standards; I see awesomeness in mine. obviously mine are better.

    There’s no misogyny because I like women; I just detest moos and duhs that keep overpopulating the planet with their continuous breeding.

    But yeah, I prefer to be a terrible person than following your misandric standards.

  • Carstonio

    Besides the injustice of limiting the genders to specific roles like breadwinner or homemaker, Peter Heck is really pushing for society to be dominated by his version of Christianity. If he is going to claim that his god dictated gender roles, then he should present proof of this or just keep quiet. Plus, Heck was violating the First Amendment by speaking in an official capacity at a public school.