Did You Know That Christians Are Getting Bullied (and Beaten Up) by Gays?!

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About Terry Firma

Terry Firma, though born and Journalism-school-educated in Europe, has lived in the U.S. for the past 20-odd years. Stateside, his feature articles have been published in the New York Times, Reason, Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Wired. Terry is the founder and Main Mischief Maker of Moral Compass, a site that pokes fun at the delusional claim by people of faith that a belief in God equips them with superior moral standards.

  • Joanne

    HAHAHA! I can’t believe Matt Slick would go along with something like that.

  • http://www.everydayintheparkwithgeorge.com/ Matt Eggler

    LOVED IT! finally was able to get myself off the floor to write this, but…

    How is it that a comedy show based on the news does a consistently better job of reporting the facts and getting to the core of the issues than the actual news agencies?

    • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

      Because 99% of the people “reporting” the news these days are morons. Seriously. They must be hired for looks because the seem ill-informed and uninterested in real news stories. I don’t know at what point repeating unconfirmed rumors replaced reporting facts, but that’s the state of the news. The Daily Show, intending only to parody the news, does a better job of getting the facts right than CNN. What does that tell you about what passes for reporters these days?

      • observer

        Reminds me of a quote I saw, I don’t recall how it went, or who said it, but it went along the lines of – If you want comedy, look to the news; If you want the news, look to a comedian.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

      Watched it last night when it aired. Loved every moment of it.

  • Art_Vandelay

    I’ll never understand how TDS gets these extreme conservative types to do these pieces. Are they unaware that they’re going to make them come out looking foolish? (Not that they need a lot of help)

    • Gus Snarp

      I really want to see the unedited version of these to figure out how this all really goes down.

      • Makoto

        There was one where Jason Jones was interviewing Wayne Root a week or three ago where they left in the clip of the interviewee messing up, saying “3, 2, 1, ..” then trying to rephrase his obviously horrible statement with something just as horrible, but with some tiny bit of deniability.

        http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-may-23-2013/the-only-unfair-thing-ever

        Even with the editing which I’m sure was there, Root still can’t get it right.

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          Why didn’t they ask:

          “So, now that your business is gone, what will you do?”

          And

          “Were you afraid of the audit”
          (yes!)
          “Well then, what were you hiding?”

    • Pepe

      I came to the comments looking for an answer to the same question

    • The Anti Iggyman

      Not as foolish as the Atheist Leader in Kansas City who told believers they would end up “in a ditch like Jimmy Hoffa”.

      • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

        wow that’s pretty foolish, you wouldn’t by chance have a link to that story I’d like to read about it?

      • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

        Yes, link please. And what exactly is he the leader of?

      • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

        As far as I can tell “The Anti Iggyman” is desperately trying to invent an urban legend by quoting comments totally out of context and then randomly spreading them around Atheist blogs.

        • Semidaunted

          They are also misinformed. NBC claims to have it on great authority that Jimmy Hoffa was actually buried in a field. :P

      • Makoto

        Are you “Not Longer A KU Fan”? of http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/04/02/the-stomp-on-jesus-professor-finally-tells-his-side-of-the-story/ ?

        Or JD from http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2012/01/what-the-ahlquist-situation-can-tell-us-about-moderate-christianity/ ?

        Or Emanuel Goldstein from http://www.pitch.com/kansascity/international-house-of-prayer-onething-conference-kansas-city/Content?oid=3119424 ?

        I mean, I tried to find references to this Jimmy Hoffa thing, and they all had “like Jimmy Hoffa” in reference to atheist leaders in Kansas City, but no one seems to have any original sources.

        • RobMcCune

          Don’t forget randal morrison90.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            randal is different. But it might be handy to have a “know your troll” FAQ.

      • Michael W Busch

        As we have described to you repeatedly in previous comment threads, the person who said that was not “an atheist leader”, nor was she/he being serious, and he/she having poor judgement is arguable.

        And none of this is relevant here – just like all the other times.

      • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

        After an extensive search here is what I know.

        Iggy is a real person who is a member of the Kansas City Freethinkers.

        The Anti Iggyman is an alias (amongst many) for someone who has campaigned relentlessly for 6 years to tarnish the reputation of the real Iggy. Seems as if this person even invented a false identity closely mimicking the real Iggy which include websites, forum posts and an email address just to confuse readers. Six years predates the Hoffa comment, so I’m thinking this is very personal smear campaign.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Harrison/23417637 Michael Harrison

          I just want to say, I love this entire thread. “Watch what happens when someone tries to BS a community that holds fact-checking in high regard!” It reminds me of a certain mystery story where the initial plan to suggest the killer got away gets discredited, causing some rapid on-the-fly patchwork in an effort not to get caught.

          • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ Tanner B James

            Investigating mysteries (of religion) was pretty much how I became an Atheist.

      • Sven2547

        Who was this “atheist leader”? What organization is this person the “leader” of?

      • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

        Thank you you are starting to get it! Yes you do get equal treatment because American Christian Majorities over time, has upheld the Christian based document the Constitution that says that because you are a minority I can not persecute you, or inhibit you “FROM” stated rights. But again moron! It is not separation of Church FROM state (which where is that in the Constitution?hummm!) It is an idiots argument we have “allowed” to go on to long!The answer is still yes! If the majority decided to not follow the Constitution! Then yes we could (maybe should) wipe out all non Jewish and Christian Americans. And would probley only take a month! So mind your manners! And next time you pass a Christian, thank them for allowing you to criticize them because your an idiot!

        • Randay

          If your shooting skills are as good as your grammar skills and historical “knowledge”, I guess I don’t have much to worry about. First, the Constitution is not a Christian-based document. Where is Christianity mentioned in it? You haven’t heard about the 1st Amendment. Of course Christians seem to start counting from 2. Indeed, they seem to stop there too. So, you want a Rwanda in the U.S., except that in Rwanda it was Christians killing other Christians, which would probably happen here as they like to squabble over dogma so much. Evangelicals against Catholics, that would be quite a show.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            Just for clarification, I was quoting someone (presumed Christian) on another site as a very recent example of the fact that rhetorical death threats are not uncommon.

            My response to him was similar to yours.

            • Randay

              Sorry for my mistake. My bad.

      • Gus Snarp

        This again?!?

      • Matt D

        The majority of us are not interested in invisible stranger slander, unless you can provide sources or links to your claims.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      Well… it’s complicated. There are a few factors at work here, and I’m sure I don’t know all of them, but here goes. Keep in mind it’s a combination of several at different levels for each person.
      1. They dismiss shows like TDS as “liberal” and aren’t actually familiar with them, instead staying within a news bubble that only makes up things about the show. Said news bubble does not allow in information related to its leadership being made to look like fools.
      2. They lack actual senses of humor. They laugh at things, but that isn’t the same thing. A person with a sense of humor can identify, for example, things that would be funny to someone else and how, and how something that happens to them could be funny to someone else. They can’t do this. It impairs their ability to understand these segments.
      3. Some of them are willing to take the hit if it means more media attention and/or personal promotion.
      4. Media naivete. You’ll notice that the people who get suckered into these interviews are never the ones who quotemine videos themselves on a regular basis. These are the ones who haven’t caught on to how easy it is to create a list of leading questions, them reshuffle the answers, or even film additional questions later to link the answers to.
      5. Arrogance. Some think they can beat the libruls at their own game. They spend so much time speaking before strawmen and their own cronies that they never learn (or else forget) how actual argumentation works. (as a side note, those to whom this applies get REALLY pissy when they’re confronted with the knowledge that their arguments are rubbish. You’ve seen it. They don’t learn, they have a predictable pattern of repeating themselves, sulking, retreating, and returning when they’ve settled their dissonance and think everyone has forgotten.)
      6. Dammit, one other that I forgot while laughing at a cat video. >.<

  • Rain

    What happened to Jon Stewart? Who is the Canadian dude filling in for him.

    • jdm8

      John Oliver is British. I think Stewart is working on a movie of some kind.

    • allein

      He’s taking a few months off to direct a movie. John Oliver is supposed to be filling in for him (can’t watch the video at work so I don’t know about the “Canadian dude”). http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/step-aside-jon-stewart-john-oliver-prepares-to-host-the-daily-show/

    • Steve Scott

      Jason Jones and Samantha Bee are both Canadian though.

      • allein

        Heh, I was guessing that it would be him in the video and couldn’t think of his name.

      • AxeGrrl

        AND they’re married to each other :)

    • random_task

      stewart is on a working vacation doing some movie and john oliver (british) is hosting until he returns

    • DavidMHart

      As a British person, I have trouble distinguishing between some Canadian and USAian accents. I had no idea it also applied in reverse.

      • allein

        I finally got to watch the video last night and saw that Jones wasn’t in it; do people really confuse a British and Canadian accent or was that a joke? (Though I do have a friend with family from Italy who live in Canada, so they speak with some kind of hybrid accent, which sounds..interesting.)

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          I once met an English translator in Russia who had spent an exchange student year in TX. English with a Russian accent and a Texan drawl.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Harrison/23417637 Michael Harrison

        As an American, so do I. I cannot imagine someone confusing Canadian and British; as I understood it, the main difficulty is with Australian versus British.

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          I’m a Canadian raised American. I can usually get Australian vs. South African, but I know a lot of Americans can’t.

          An English teacher in HS told us that the BBC trained its on-air staff to imitate a Canadian accent, since it was the easiest way to make it non-local.

  • b33bl3br0x

    Is that the same Matt Slick of CARM? The guy that pushes the Transcendental Argument?

    • Jasper

      Came here to say that!

  • L.Long

    I really thank the Friendly Atheist for bringing this video to my attention. It has opened my eye to the problem and I will endeavor to help these poor oppressed xtians thru these difficult times.

    I can never find the ironic button on this keyboard.

    • Hat Stealer

      I think it’s right next to the sarcasm key.

    • Jordan Sugarman

      It’s labeled with a backslash. You know. Because it’s ironic.

  • David Williamson

    Holy crap that is awesome. Why do people continue to talk to her? Glad they do, though.

    • David Mock

      Uh dude they’re actors.

      • David Williamson

        The gay Christian was likely a supporter of the mockery. Matt Slick is a real, live Christian apologist

        • allein

          There are a couple spots where he (Slick) almost sounds like he’s playing along..

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            The original law of Poe at work.

          • C.L. Honeycutt

            That’s because for pieces like these, they edit the order of the questions and answers to make the interviewee look like they’re saying something they didn’t intend. It’s this quote mining that makes Slick look like a person who might be capable of actual reflection.

            That sort of thing has been done to people like Richard Dawkins and PZ Myers, but the difference is that The Daily Show doesn’t pretend it isn’t fooling around, while the editors of Expelled outright lied about their interviewees.

            • allein

              I had to wait to watch Expelled until I found it at the library; I refused to pay any money to watch it.

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                You’re tougher than me if you were able to watch it. I saw some extended segments. maybe twenty minutes’ worth. That was plenty. It was incredibly obvious that they were quote mining, yet dimwits keep pointing at those interviews as “gotchas”.

                Stein exploiting Holocaust victims in order to slander people… he’s a slimeball.

                • allein

                  I was a little surprised to find it in the library to begin with. I had been trying to find it online but I couldn’t find the full movie for free. I had seen some clips, and also the Expelled Exposed website and a few other things about it, so I waited for a night when my roommate was out. I knew I’d have some things to say to my TV.

                  I loved Win Ben Stein’s Money. It made me sad when I discovered he was a Creationist nutjob. I thought he was smarter than that. (Actually, when I first heard of Expelled I thought it was some kind of satire.)

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I know that Colbert is famous for his dead-on parody of a right-wing talk show host, but Samantha Bee’s dead-on take on uninformed, vain, shallow television news reporters is at least as brilliant. I’ve been a fan for years. This isn’t even the best example of her reporting, but it is funny.

  • DougI

    Matt Slick is one of the biggest douches on the internet. Who wouldn’t want to be persecuted like that guy, big house, multiple cars and motorcycles, doesn’t really work for a living. Must be tough being persecuted in the California suburbs.

  • Carpinions

    A face to the name!

    I remember the run-in the Atheist Experience guys had 3-4 years ago with his argument for the existence of god on their show. Slick went on TAE to debate Matt Dillahunty and ran off at the end claiming victory in the debate using a line of logic that ultimately defeated his own position. Slick claims in his supposedly insurmountable argument for his god’s existence that everything in reality is either physical or conceptual. When challenged by Dillahunty as to which one his god was, he said “neither”, which basically ceded the debate (which continued online after the show) to Dillahunty, who pointed out that Slick’s claim amounted to a false dichotomy, a logical fallacy. But of course the fact that the debate didn’t immediately end within the confines of that 1 TV show, that was all Slick needed to start running victory laps claiming he had defeated atheist arguments for all time.

    Slick isn’t the worst purveyor, but he’s hardly any better than most apologists.

  • David Mock

    So the Christians don’t have the majority on their side anymore, considering we are a secular nation, they don’t have the constitution on they’re side, they don’t have the “traditional marriage” argument on their side (most biblical scholars admit that traditional marriage isn’t one man, one woman). So why isn’t gay marriage legal.


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