Imagine if We Lived Under President Sarah Palin (An Excerpt from Christian Nation)

Frederic C. Rich had written a fascinating new novel in which he considers what would have happened if Barack Obama had lost the 2008 election, leaving our country in the hands of John McCain and, eventually, Sarah Palin. And then we suffer another terrorist attack (7/22)

As you might expect, there’s chaos everywhere, for a number of reasons.

The book is called Christian Nation: A Novel:

An excerpt from the book is below — and keep reading for your chance to win a copy:

At the end, only five Republican representatives and two Republican senators broke with the administration and opposed the bill. The strangest piece of legislation in American history passed with overwhelming majorities. What they voted on became, after the president’s signature, a federal law, but its opening words were the following: “An Act to Accept a Covenant With God and the Blessings Thereunder. The United States of America hereby humbly and gratefully enters into a covenant with the Lord our God and protector, accepting each of the following as His Blessings, and as the supreme law of the land.” The text of The Blessing, with its strange combination of vague generalities and specific normative standards, thus entered the US Code as federal law.

Within hours of the vote and presidential signature, in a strategy orchestrated by [Theocracy Watch], every possible class of plaintiff with a legal complaint against The Blessing — non-evangelical Christian groups, non-Christian churches, states and municipalities, judges, unions, businesses, and individuals — filed more than 2,500 lawsuits in every state and in every federal district court in the country, challenging each one of the fifty Blessings on multiple grounds. It was a massive effort to pull together and execute in two weeks. This had been my job. I persuaded the most prominent lawyers and firms in the country to appear as counsel of record, including every living former head of the American Bar Association and the deans and senior faculty of every major law school. Together, the various lawsuits sought immediate stays of the effectiveness of, and any action predicated on, The Blessing as well as seeking eventual determinations that the purported federal law should be invalidated. My job was to be sure that every possible legal basis for challenge was being advanced and that every relevant jurisdiction and court was engaged.

True to the pattern set by [Christianist Steve] Jordan from the day he first walked in the side door of Sarah Palin’s White House, he allowed the nation to revert to a strained calm following the tumultuous two weeks preceding the vote on The Blessing. The stays we requested from the courts had in almost every instance been granted, so The Blessing had no legal effect and, for the moment, people’s lives were not changed.

During this lull, [Internet entrepreneur] Sanjay made a close study of Jordan’s cabinet and subcabinet-level appointments to better understand the administration’s most likely next moves. Jordan had appointed the globally popular evangelical preacher and author Rick Warren (author of The Purpose Driven Life and its many spin-offs and franchises) to be the secretary of Health and Human Services. It was one of a number of celebrity appointments made by the new President. Time magazine noted that it was the most media-savvy cabinet ever assembled, with the great majority having risen to prominence through media-centric careers in the now nearly unified realms of journalism, entertainment, and politics. Each of these cabinet appointees had compelling personal narratives, an uncanny knack for pandering to the narcissism of the American public, a deep knowledge of how to peddle the fantasies for which America thirsted, and a profound mastery of celebrity style. Five cabinet secretaries, Time reported, had appeared on reality television shows. I remember the comment by another journalist that I thought particularly revealing at the time. She said that the Jordan cabinet marked the triumph of personality over character.

A few days into his study of Jordan’s appointments, Sanjay made a strange and disturbing discovery. A federal office for the promotion and coordination of “faith-based initiatives” had been established under President Bush and, although not eliminated, was strangely inactive during both of Sarah Palin’s two terms. President Jordan, during the transition, chose the evangelical preacher and popular revisionist historian David Barton to head the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives. Sanjay was one of the few people to focus on the Jordan administration’s lower-ranking appointments to that agency. He discovered, to his surprise, not the usual group of evangelical pastors who had delivered key precincts for the party but a strange mix of MIT-trained computer scientists, Chinese software engineers, and web consultants who had worked for the governments of Iran and Saudi Arabia. Most of the Palin appointees to the faith-based office had been summarily dismissed following the transition, and the two most disgruntled of them spoke to Sanjay’s sources. Over a period of two months, Sanjay pieced together the story, discovering that Barton had assembled a team of the world’s leading experts on Internet censorship. The credentials and experience of these new employees of the faith-based office included the development of efatwa.com (a site for obtaining Islamic religious rulings online); the invention of the algorithms for China’s famously sensitive and flexible web censorship; and the development, for the infamous Saudi religious police, of the software for the monitoring and integration of all security cameras in the kingdom (this software allowed for the automated detection of activities — such as single women driving cars or couples kissing in public — that were forbidden under the kingdom’s version of sharia). This project, dubbed by the code name Purity Web, was under the personal supervision of the president, with Barton as his chief lieutenant. What exactly the goal of the project was, Sanjay could not say, but when he revealed all he had found out, there was a firestorm in the media, and the president himself had to appear on F3 [Fox Faith & Freedom News] to explain.

“This,” said President Jordan, with the customary cross over one shoulder and flag over the other, “will be a wholly modern presidency. I just cannot understand the fuss. What do they think — that religious people are stuck in the Middle Ages? God commands us to use all the tools at our disposal, and I have always been completely transparent about that. In 2008, when Ralph Reed and I were growing the Faith & Freedom Coalition, we were absolutely clear that we were not going to cede web-based organizing, web-based fund-raising, and techno-savvy political action to the liberals. You may remember that all of our original Faith & Freedom chapters were virtual. Ralph said then that the Internet’s first wave was e-mail, that the next wave was social networking, and that there was going to be a third wave. Well, that’s what we said in 2008, and that’s what we are doing today. We are figuring out that third wave — how to use technology to perfect our democracy, to ensure more perfect freedom, and to advance our country toward its destiny as Christ’s Kingdom on Earth.”

The F3 interviewer of course neglected to ask why the architects of Chinese web censorship and surveillance by the Saudi religious police were appropriate choices “to ensure more perfect freedom.” But Sanjay and I did ask. We asked loudly and persistently. We pointed out that as a result of 9/11 and 7/22, the federal government had access to an almost comprehensive video surveillance infrastructure. Without it having been announced, debated, or budgeted, fifteen years after 9/11 we found ourselves with web-linked cameras covering all our major city streets, factories, offices, schools, shopping centers, and virtually all other places of public assembly. Moreover, our traditional distaste as Americans for any kind of surveillance seemed to have evaporated. Reality television shows like Big Brother and Survivor had glamorized the idea of life under the unblinking eye of the camera.

Our campaign succeeded in causing vague disquiet among many people, but without more of an understanding of what the Purity Web was really all about, we were unable to use it as an effective tool against the administration. By the time Jordan went public with the Purity Web during the Holy War, it was of course too late. Jordan’s long-promised Internet third wave now seems so obvious and so inevitable that I find it difficult to understand how we failed to figure it out in 2016.

After a lull of about six weeks, with The Blessing still completely tied up in court, the administration announced the first of a series of “implementing regulations” under The Blessing, this one under Covenant V dealing with marriage. The regulation was titled “On Sexual Deviancy.” We understood later that, following extensive debate, the administration was persuaded not to refer publicly to the “homosexual problem” because of its deep and disturbing echoes of the use by the Nazis of the phrase “Jewish problem.” The “regulation,” which was promulgated as a presidential order without compliance with the public hearing and other procedures normally required for a federal regulation, was straightforward. All homosexuals would be required to register with the federal government within 90 days and, for their own protection, to be tested for AIDS: “a long-overdue public health measure for the good of those who choose the homosexual lifestyle,” explained President Jordan. Although The Blessing stated that “Homosexual behavior of any sort is a crime,” the “regulation” did not set forth the penalties for homosexual behavior, noting that determination of appropriate punishment would be up to each of the states. The Farris Commission, however, simultaneously promulgated a paper from biblical scholars stating that the second covenant, recognizing the higher authority of biblical law, ought to be read to require states to re-impose the death penalty for the crime of sodomy.

The balance of the “regulation” was remarkable for its insidious cruelty to the gay population. First, no benefits, such as pension rights or health benefits, could be extended by employers to the partners of homosexuals, even those purported to be married, and any such benefits already vested were forfeit. Second, all gay adoptions were summarily voided, with special panels of pastors and Christian doctors set up to review each situation, with a strong presumption that the children of single men and male couples must be returned to social services. There was an exemption for children over age five living with female couples if the family were living as Christians and willing to submit to the ongoing supervision of the panel. Finally, no will, contract, health care proxy, or power of attorney would be enforceable if it afforded one gay person rights or discretion in relation to another.

Although this regulation was also immediately challenged in the courts, gay people, especially those with children, were terrified. Gays with children felt they couldn’t risk even the coastal sanctuaries of San Francisco, Boston, and New York and began a gradual exodus to Canada and Europe, marking the beginning of the debates there about the granting of refugee status to gays fleeing America.

Gays without families had been steadily leaving the heartland since the raft of state anti-gay laws at the beginning of Palin’s second term, but after the Deviancy Regulation, the exodus of gays from middle America accelerated sharply. Many of those states were amazed to discover the number of gay households in their midst, and shocked that home prices fell sharply as large numbers of residences, sometimes up to 10 percent of the housing units in an area, flooded onto the market. Sanjay and I figured out what had happened. By requiring all homosexuals to register with the federal government, the option of remaining a closeted homosexual disappeared. The presumption that single people over a certain age must be gay, as well as wild rumors about tests that had been developed to determine sexual orientation, led many to conclude that they inevitably would be “outed” under the new regime. Men and women who had given no indication of homosexuality — some in heterosexual marriages and others masquerading as divorced or separated from heterosexual partners — feared for the first time that discretion would be no protection from the wave of anti-gay violence and persecution coming their way.

Again taking New York’s lead, eight state governors immediately affirmed their own state’s statutes permitting all that the federal Deviancy Regulation purportedly prohibited, and they promised to recognize and honor marriages, adoptions, health care proxies, wills, powers of attorney, and contracts entered into by gays under the laws of other states if brought to their states for enforcement. The US Chamber of Commerce tersely noted that for its members to deny employees vested benefits would expose them to litigation and liability and thus refused to do so until the legal situation was clarified.

The week after the Deviancy Regulation took effect, the country was shocked when an eighteen-year-old gay man, a quiet Buddhist monk who had come to America as a refugee from Myanmar, immolated himself on Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House. Or, to be more accurate, only that part of the country was shocked that had access to television, web, or newspapers not controlled by F3. The millions of Americans for whom F3-controlled media outlets were their sole or primary source of news never knew that it happened.

Christian Nation is now available in bookstores and online.

If you’d like to win a copy of the book, let us know in the comments what aspect of a theocracy you’d fear most! Leave the hashtag #ChristianNation after your comment to be entered. I’ll contact one random winner next week. (Contest limited to U.S. residents only.)

(Excerpted from Christian Nation: A Novel by Frederic C. Rich. Copyright © 2013 by Frederic C. Rich. With permission of the publisher, W.W. Norton & Company, Inc.)

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  • baal

    Paging RWlawoffice, your side’s vision of the future is horrifying. See also, “The Handmaid Tale” by Margaret Atwood.

    • griffox

      Yes! One of the things that rang true about “The Handmaid’s Tale” was how those on the top rungs of authority completely disregarded the rules and had mistresses and sex parties. I could totally see that happening. “Here are the rules for the chattel, but we are special, so they don’t apply to us.”

  • good_creon

    While I think the promotion of ignorance and what that could do to our education system is what scares me the most. Without a decent education system in place to help our children and future generations learn to think and solve problems (in reality), everything else falls apart. There wouldn’t even be a point in arguing for equality or against intolerance, because no one would be intellectually equipped to accept those arguments #ChristianNation

  • Jesse Cooper

    I think the most frightening thing about a theocracy would be the constant fear anyone who disagrees with the establishment would live in. The excerpt provides a good example of people choosing not to live with that fear, but I don’t know that it would be so easy in reality. I highly doubt it. #ChristianNation

  • Mr. Pantaloons

    Personally, the most terrifying idea of a theocracy to me is the twofold prospect of institutionalized child abuse – on one part, you have the widespread indoctrination of children in a failed educational system, replacing science, curiosity, and empiricism with Biblical literalism and pseudoscience. On the other part, you have absolute power and control over all facets of a child’s life and development concentrated in the hands of parents, and specifically the father, with no accountability for the results as a consequence of the recognition of the patriarchal model of “family,” wherein both women and children are relegated to the status of “property.” Kudos to Michael Farris and the HSLDA for doing so much to make this a reality already.

    #ChristianNation

    • Malcolm McLean

      Parents generally act in the interests of their own children. Bureaucrats don’t. Whilst if a parent believes nonsense, he’ll transmit it to his children, during the teens there’s a process by which children start to question and rebel against some but not all parental values. Teens are quite notorious for it. If a bureaucrat believes nonsense, the same happens, but he’s in a much stronger position to crush resistance. Teens can’t easily fight the State.

      • TCC

        Correction: Parents generally act in what they think are the best interests of their own children. A lot of parents, however, are ignorant and don’t realize the damage they’re doing, and still others just don’t care.

        • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

          MOST parents act in what they believe is the best interest of their children. There are still significant numbers who neglect, abandon or abuse (in various ways) their own children that I think a blanket statement has far too many exceptions. Check out the nearest family court if you don’t believe me.

          • TCC

            That’s what I mean by “generally.”

      • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

        it’s a false choice. We don’t have to choose between absolute power of the state on the one hand and absolute power of abusive parents on the other It’s juvenile to set up choices of extremes as the only options.

      • Mr. Pantaloons

        No, parents act in their interpretation of their children’s best interests – this is not the same thing when you consider how many people still need to be convinced that vaccines are unrelated to autism.

        More to the point, the kind of parents for whom a theocracy would be paradise are also likely to ascribe to a biblical model of family and take their moral cues from Christian Nationalism – including such depraved ideas as dominionism and Christian Reconstructivism – the idea that Christians have a god-given right to take over the world. These parents are proven time and time again NOT to have their children’s best interests at heart, but instead view their children as vessels and weapons in a spiritual war against civilization, in favor of a world where civil law is replaced with the patriarchy of the Old Testament. Their children serve only to perpetuate their own worldviews. As proof, kindly refer to the cases of Major John Jackson and Michael and Sharen Gravelle, among many others (the Patheos blog Love, Joy, Feminism has almost infinite data on these and similar cases of child abuse “for their own best interest”). Yes, those are extreme cases, but do you want to guess how many dozens more are simmering below the radar, creating equally toxic and spiritually abusive subcultures, under the pretense that the government has no business in moderating the family? These are not people less threatening than the average bureaucrat even in a theocracy.

        Ever hear of Quiverfull? Bill Gothard? Hell, the purity culture that drives abstinence-only education is founded on the fetishization of their children’s sexuality and utter dependence on the parents’ whims – the idea that these schools of thought, which have openly declared war on feminism and children’s rights, have anything to do with the best interests of the children is utterly laughable.

      • Baby_Raptor

        Intent isn’t magic.

        Children are people, not property. There is no such thing as a “right” to pass on your religion to your children, or a “right” to school your kids in a specific way. Children are people with rights of their own. And the religionists that home school refuse to see this, because it threatens them, their egos, and their plans.

  • kahli.sana

    The thought of a Biblical theocracy with Old Testament laws enforced is terrifying to consider. Those who don’t buy the line they’re selling are in for a stoning – Deuteronomy 13:6-10. #Christian Nation

  • anniewhoo

    The erosion of women’s rights.
    #ChristianNation

  • http://thewritepractice.com/ John Fisher

    The aspect of life under a theocracy as described in the book that I would fear most is the expanded definition of “sexual deviancy” which could be interpreted to mean every single person over the age of, say 30.#ChristianNation

  • Rain

    Carman Licciardello! Yikes! Very scary.

  • TrickQuestion

    The rival factions of christianity and the harm of the inevitable holy wars among them. #ChristianNation

  • The Other Weirdo

    So, umm, this is the Left Behind book for us atheists?

    • Bdole

      You took the words right out of my fingertips. Sophomoric writing is sophomoric writing regardless of politics.

      • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

        Sadly, I have to agree. I already bought this because it sounded interesting, but I’m about a quarter of a way through now, and it’s just not living up to the premise. People speak in speeches rather than dialogue, characterization is minimal, and even this far in there’s really no plot to speak of. I liked the idea, but the execution is not wowing me, I’m afraid.

        • Spuddie

          From the excerpt I was getting the impression of too much expository polemic prose and not enough plot. Sounds like a tough slog. I feel your pain.

        • Tobias2772

          Sounds more like Atlas Shrugged.

          • Kenny

            Sounds more like the Book of Revelation.

        • Rooster Freebird

          Actually I enjoyed reading the book.

        • nschrand

          I agree. I also bought the book, and it’s fucking terrible. Everyone sounds like a stilted sockpuppet, and not just because the author seems to hate contractions in informal speech. I expected something like World War Z, with a more minimally-involved reporter-based narrative than usual, but it’s a masturbatory paean to atheist-Jesus/Spock by his closest disciple. Slogging through it, I feel like I’m reading a teenage-angstier version of something by Ayn Rand.

    • Matt Bowyer

      Unlike anything in Left Behind, this could actually happen.

      • The Other Weirdo

        “This” sounds too much like Iron Sky.

        • JA

          Great movie.

      • NB

        I’m glad your standard for plausibility is somewhere around the level of Liberal Crime Squad

    • https://sites.google.com/site/ferulebezelssite/ Ferule Bezel

      I was thinking Turner Diaries. The activist secular movement has been getting too True Believerey for a while now and this is a sign that the trend isn’t reversing. I’ll pass.

      I’ve also lost respect for Norton as a publisher, but pissing away the value of an imprint seems to be inevitable in the publishing business.

    • Sunny Day

      Thats What I was thinking.

    • Rob Bos

      If this excerpt is any indication of the rest of the book, I don’t like it. Don’t tell us the story. SHOW us the story. This is barely better than a news article.

  • named

    What terrifies me the most about theocracy is the constant redefining of terms to make them seem more ethical. A lot of Christians I know claim that they wouldn’t allow selling people into slavery, but the Bible doesn’t define a slave as a human being, as it states they are simply property. #ChristianNation

    • Malcolm McLean

      The Hebrew bible has various laws about slavery. Jewish slaves get more rights than non-Jewish slaves, and female slaves get what seems at first sight to be a worse deal, but in fact is a measure designed to make sure that ruthless masters don’t get rid of them without making provision.

      In the New Testament, it’s simply irrelevant whether someone is a slave or a free man. The same rules apply to all members, regardless of legal or economic status, even largely regardless of sex. There’s a requirement on slaves to obey their masters, but as part of general list of injunctions to good citizenship.The New Testament isn’t interested in political or economic reforms. Caesar is the prince of this world, in NT political theory.

      Slavery morphed into serfdom in the European Dark Ages. Then it was reinvented for the colonies.

      • Mario Strada

        Of course, regardless to how the OT or the NT treat slavery, it would have been nice for the omnipotent, eternal author to have inserted a couple of sentences saying that slavery is wrong and should not be practiced. That would have had a big impact to the following 2000 years of Christianity.

        #ChristianNation

        • Malcolm McLean

          He’s omnipotent and eternal, so of course His beliefs are not contingent on the technology of production. You believe that slavery is wrong because industrial workers can strike. Agricultural workers can’t. So people living in agricultural economies don’t have the same moral beliefs as you do.

          • named

            He is supposed to be eternally morally perfect in every way, so don’t try to use the “that part of the Bible is outdated” excuse.

            Speak for yourself! I believe slavery is wrong because I wouldn’t want to be enslaved, and I have empathy for other people. I don’t see any possible reason why anyone anywhere should be a slave, or where that would be considered a good thing in any respect. It has nothing to do with unionizing (which is the most bizarre justification I’ve heard yet).

            How is kidnapping people from Africa and forcing them to spend their entire lives picking cotton any morally better than kidnapping people from Africa and forcing them to spend their entire lives mining for ores used in cell phone manufacturing?

  • Hermann o

    It could be a muslim theocracy!
    Shalom
    Hermann

    • randomfactor

      Christians have been worse.

    • Baby_Raptor

      But Christian theocracies are okay in your mind?

      • Hermann o

        “what aspect of a theocracy you’d fear MOST!”
        If I´d have to choose between christian and muslim – muslim would be worse.

        Shalom
        Hermann

  • http://www.everydayintheparkwithgeorge.com/ Matt Eggler

    Once they have finished with atheists, Muslims, gays, etc., and have put women and children in ‘their place’ there will be the inevitable factionalization as they fight among themselves to decide whose interpretation of superstition is ‘holy’ and whose is ‘heresy’. The resulting civil war would most likely kill tens of millions and leaving no one untouched and the survivors left to try to build something out of the wreckage.
    The worst part being they won’t have learned their lesson. They will see their plight as a judgement from God and a sign of the impending end times and will abandon a militant, self-righteous faith for a groveling, self-pitying one.

    #ChristianNation

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    I read Sinclair Lewis’s It Can’t Happen Here. That was scary enough and it’s set in 1936 and a few years out.

  • John Staerker

    Would love to get a copy,#ChristianNation

  • Negathle

    Where to start? As a feminist, environmentalist, scientist, and happily polyamorous, I couldn’t imagine what aspect of my life wouldn’t be touched by a theocracy. Lack of birth control alone is terrifying. No doubt all funding for the non-medical sciences would bottom out. I doubt I could even rely on a teaching position as public education is de-emphasized, and if I could be a science teacher, could you imagine the requirements? I would be fired within a year for refusing to teach pseudo-science! I suppose one of the most terrifying aspects for me (like the above isn’t terrifying enough) that doesn’t directly relate to bodily-freedom would be the elimination of environmental regulation, national parks, etc., because obviously those are not adequate uses of federal management. Ecologically speaking, an American theocracy is horrifying.

    #ChristianNation

  • Matt Bowyer

    Censorship and the suppression of opposing ideas is enough to bother me. #ChristianNation

  • Matt D

    The kind of person I’d become if the US was a “theocracy” (assuming I couldn’t just move out, anyway) would not be pleasant for anyone, so I’d hope this fiction is the closest we get to that.

  • rhodent

    Of course it must be noted that the book has a major plot hole, which is that Sarah Palin actually completes a term in office…

    • Rooster Freebird

      2 terms. She gets re-elected.

      • Paul Julian Gould

        That’s a real indicator that this book is a work of fiction, I believe.

        • Paul Julian Gould

          Even my most batcrap rightwing friends, family and acquaintances think she’s a loon, and that’s another indicator.

          • kenneth ferrell

            your a liar

            • Paul Julian Gould

              Well, leaving aside your obvious grammatical errors, and the fact that this particular post you’ve dropped like a turd is a stereotypical troll post, perhaps you could use a few more words and tell me about just what you think i’m lying… that I have batcrap rightwing friends, family and acquaintances, or that they think she’s a loon, or exactly what, oh font of wisdom and single-syllable words? And how would it be that you somehow know so much about me, why should I give a damn about that, and why do you obviously have so boring a life that I would be a subject of interest?

    • kenneth ferrell

      you’re an idiot.if leftist weren’t so intent on destroying people they disagree with maybe that wouldn’t have happened.you would have to be a complete moron to continue sitting there while asshole socialist drive your family into bankruptcy.why don’t you do some fact checking before you run off at the mouth with your childish comments.

      • http://www.facebook.com/diane.stanley2 Diane Banning Stanley

        Why so defensive? She didn’t finish her term as governor.

        • Paul Julian Gould

          Some folks, obviously, have an infantile need for their heroes to be flawless, blameless wells of wisdom, and will tolerate no besmirching of what they see as the best our species has to offer… hence the defensiveness… just my perception… your mileage may vary.

  • Greg G.

    I would fear the “Gott Mitt Uns” belt buckles, or their equivalents, and what followed in the last nation that embraced the teachings of the Christian faiths. #ChristianNation

  • Mario Strada

    #ChristianNation

    This is the stuff my nightmares are about. I actually had a dream like that back during the 2008 elections and the same dream came back during the 2012 election (except that this time my brother was riding some sort of motorized elephant. You know how dreams are). Both times I woke up if not in terror at least in a heightened state of concern.

    My situation is a bit different from most people. I have dual italian-american citizenship, so I can theoretically move to any EU state I want should the shit hit the fan here. But I also know that I would very much be able to make a difference in what it is now my home, so probably I would use my wife’s nationality to move right across the border to Canada; of course, assuming that there is no ideological spillage and things don’t start going wrong there too.

    But if we think that things like this would not happen here, I’d be very careful. They can and they can sneak up on us unless we keep very vigilant.

    Has anyone else noticed how Brian Fisher’s radio messages sound so much like Goebbels radio addresses about “hygiene” back in the pre war period?

    Both men were and are unbalanced and delusional, but one of them had the power to influence not only policy, but also public opinion. People like Fisher need to be ridiculed but also need to be shown wrong every step of the way. We ignore the crackpots at our own risk.

    #ChristianNation

  • http://religiouscomics.net/ Jeff P

    I often contrast Orwell’s 1984 with Huxley’s Brave New World.

    Christian Nation seems to be more along the lines of 1984 with controlling information access. It would be interesting to see a re-working of Brave New World with a Dominionist angle. Perhaps a drug that makes you susceptible to religious programming and then the churches take over all responsibility for public education in the country.

    Then the “savage” somehow goes off the drug…
    #ChristianNation

  • ORAXX

    Some dominionists and Reconstructionist have advocated putting roughly half the American population to death…..because their loving Jesus would find it so pleasing. Not that I think there is any possibility of it actually happening, but these people should be taken at their word and opposed with every means available.

    • Mario Strada

      I particularly enjoy their logic when they explain how the best way to get rid of the gay is to isolate them in a island and just let them die off. Given they cannot reproduce (according to them) the gay will disappear.

      beside the basic cruelty of this wishful thinking process they have, I wonder why none of them actually think it through and realize how absurd it is even if one agreed with their ultimate purpose.

      • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

        It’s a very ‘hitlery’ proposition for sure. I immediately walk away from anyone ignorant and hateful enough to venture it. Although it has been some time since I’ve actually heard it in person, thankfully.

  • Dantoine64

    The stuff of nightmares…
    #ChristianNation

  • dats3

    #ChristianNation
    For me it is the Blessing non-sense. Honestly, a convenant with god. Good grief. That scares me the most and I can totally see that happening.

  • dats3

    #ChristianNation

    For me it’s the Blessing. A covenant from god? Good grief! I can totally see that happening though and that scares me.

  • WallofSleep

    Although I highly doubt anything even remotely like this would have happened as a result of a McCain/Palin victory, we sure did dodge a bullet by keeping her out of the halls of power in DC. Talk about a ‘blessing’.

  • attackman

    I feel like enough of an outsider as it is. Being on the outside of mainstream culture and the law? I don’t know if I could handle that. #ChristianNation

  • CultOfReason

    There are literally thousands of Christian sects. Which one wins out in a #ChristianNation

  • Patrick

    I fear apathy, and boiling frog syndrome. It’s incredibly dangerous even today, and is just waiting for an out-and-out maniac to take advantage of it. #ChristianNation

  • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

    The overwrought prose and run-on sentences, combined with the absurd premises of the book, make me give this two thumbs down.

    Paranoia literature isn’t attractive when it comes from anywhere.

  • Abram Larson

    All official documents must now me in Comic Sans. Ahhh!
    #ChristianNation

  • NoYourGod

    What I fear *most*?

    “I’m sorry – you do not truly Believe, therefore you have shown yourself to be sub-human”, followed by the removal of all rights (and property, employment, etc).

    #ChristianNation

  • Oranje

    What scares me the most about theocracy, aside from all of the other fallacies, is that it’s completely open to interpretation for those who are in power. In other words, power is perpetuated just based on the way a contradictory book is understood. And with that power they can control everything, every bit of media, every thought, every law. Crawling back from that towards freedom and equality will make our other battles look pitiful by comparison. #ChristianNation

    • Matt Bowyer

      Exactly.

  • C.L. Honeycutt

    Ugh, no. This looks terrible.

  • onamission5

    Under a Christian theocracy, single women who become pregnant would be given mandatory “counseling” upon receipt of a positive pregnancy test, to determine their abortion risk. Those women deemed less than joyful about their unplanned pregnancies would be either placed under house arrest if their families are deemed fit to supervise them or housed in faith based homes for wayward girls until such time as they become married or they give birth and a suitable family to care for their baby is found.
    What? Not like the wayward home part hasn’t all happened before, over and over again.
    #Christian Nation

  • Denise

    What sex education would become in a #ChristianNation.

  • busterggi

    You’re all optimists. I think the Palinista/Barton/Reed types would launch all nuclear missiles immediately to bring about the second coming that they constantly orgasm over.

    • WallofSleep

      Nah, they don’t believe that shit. They just know there’s millions to be made off of the gullible chumps who do.

    • griffox

      haha…that reminds me of the Six Feet Under “rapture” death.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LXuNpF6NVg

  • RevWubby

    How every church instantly becomes a paramilitary headquarters for purging the populous of the impious and heretical (aka, unpatriotic). #ChristianNation

  • freddieknows

    What I would fear the most is the willful ignorance and resultant deterioration of our educational system.

  • Anna

    Wow, where to start? There are so many things I’d fear from a Christian dominionist theocracy. I think the thing that scares me most would be the fact that so many people would be imprisoned or executed for “moral crimes.”

    As a female atheist, I’d have no rights. I’d probably be forced to pretend to convert and follow all the laws for submissive women. I think I could fake it pretty well, enough to avoid jail, but it sure wouldn’t make for a happy life. And lack of birth control would mean that I’d have to break up my relationship and/or lead a celibate life, since doing otherwise would mean bringing children into that horror.

  • nschrand

    This reads like World War Z but with Christian theocracy instead of a zombie virus… I like it!

    Really, if something like this happened, I’d be very glad of having an easy out to Canada, and sad that I’d never ever be going back to visit my (probably happy to be – finally! – living in a Christian Nation) family. And I’d be terrified that that crap would spread across the border.

    #ChristianNation

    • nschrand

      Hey actually no, THIS BOOK IS FUCKING AWFUL, DON’T BUY IT.

      Seriously. I bought it yesterday, I’m more than a third through it, and it is not well-written at all. More than that, it is a sexist, classist, shit piece of bad literature.

  • shootski

    In a Christian theocracy, I would be most afraid of the implementation of thought police, a la “1984.” Look at a woman with lustful thoughts? Covet your neighbor’s wife and property? “But officer, I never did those things!” “Yes you did. We prayed to the Lord, and He revealed your sins to us, which now include lying. Follow us to Room 101…”

    #ChristianNation

  • Stev84

    Completely unrealistic. No exemption for children over 5 living with lesbian couples would ever be granted.

  • Leslie

    The slow erosion on women’s rights. #christiannation

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    #ChristianNation

    Not long ago a Christian commentor predicted that all the “non-Christians and Jews” would get fed up with ‘us’ and wipe us out. “And it wouldn’t take long”. I thought the inclusion of Jews was rather interesting, and got me to thinking about what would happen to the Jews after everyone else was gone. And then to the Catholics. And then to other minority denominations. And whether the Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915 would be the last ones left standing.

    I think that might be my greatest fear- that religious tribalism rots us from the inside.

  • Paul Julian Gould

    #Christian Nation

    What is more plausible to me than a Palin presidency is that of someone more like Bachmann… Regardless of where her degrees are from, she is an educated woman, an attorney who, even though her JD is from Regent, she was obviously able to pass the bar exam, and someone who, as I’ve heard Gingrich described, is someone who is what stupid people think smart people sound like.
    And, while Palin is one who’s sold-out to a narrow, fundamentalist and Pentecostal interpretation of Christianity, Bachmann is a thorough-going Dominionist… and that’s more likely than Caribou Barbie, whether the president is male or female.

    • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

      I can’t tell you how many of my right wing relatives think Newt Gingrich is an intellectual.

      • Paul Julian Gould

        I don’t doubt it in the least… Seem to be a lot of right-wingers around that figure if some public figure has a reasonably large vocabulary, since they don’t, that figure must necessarily be a font of wisdom… but Gingrich is less troubling to me than someone like Bachmann… Gingrich is a charlatan in $1K suits… someone such as Bachmann (and there is a troubling number of those), really believes it to the core of his or her being… much, much more dangerous. Awful lot of people that call themselves “Christians,” yet can’t articulate a single thing about why they believe as they do, so they latch on to other peoples’ coattails and quote these people verbatim without understanding a bit of what’s actually been said and meant.
        I’d say that I hope they get exactly what they think they want, except it’s the rest of the world that has to go along for the ride and suffer the results.
        Have a friend of mine that was a die-hard Romney partisan in the last election, and in the waning days of the campaign, when it appeared that Romney might just have a credible shot at the presidency, all I could tell him was, “You may just get what you want, but if you do, I don’t really think you’ll like it very much.”

  • GHN

    I’m a woman – and the way the Christianists are making inroads on reproductive freedom in the US would have made me look seriously at the possibility of emigrating if I were American.

    • Matt Davis

      On another website talking about the loss of reproductive rights, I suggested petitioning for a Constitutional amendment either in the states or in Federal law, enshrining reproductive rights in law, declaring all TRAP restrictions invalid and simultaneously preventing religious hospitals from imposing dogma on non-members of their faith (e.g. Catholic hospitals removing the Fallopian tube to deal with an ectopic pregnancy). They should be sued for that. Has anyone ever done that? It’s absolutely disgusting.

  • Sunny Day

    It reads like some of the right wing masturbation fantasy published by Baen Books before Jim died. Only the shoe’s on the other foot now.

  • http://drexceptional.wordpress.com/ DrExceptional

    I fear being forced to flee the country and not dying as an American, but an American-in-exile.

    #ChristianNation

  • Sunny Day

    This books forgets one of the most important things about Fundie Politicians. They don’t actually believe what they say.

    When is the last time one has been arrested for protesting outside an a place where “baby killing” happens?

  • Jay

    My greatest fear for a theocratic America would be the contempt for scientific advancement. Medical advances would most likely lose support because a theocratic government would take a faith healing stance. As the human population expands, the world can’t afford one of the wealthiest nations deluding itself in faith-based policies with regards to scientific research. I fear for the future if America ever suffers a true theocratic government.

    • Paul Julian Gould

      And the folks that subscribe to that contempt tend to be those that figure since their “Lord” is coming back any minute now, none of it matters.

  • Seattle Smugster

    Sometimes I want to see the US declared a Christian nation just to see what happens when Protestants and Catholics try to work out who’s more pious before Jesus. Wait, didn’t this already happen somewhere else?

  • jreed3000

    I’m frightened because I think the story of Abraham and Issac says everything there is to say about not just Christianity, but all the desert religions. That story teaches that a believer’s perception of God’s should trumps everything else, even the desire to protect one’s children.

    With people of this kind in positions of leadership, we would be dragging our anchor and who knows where we would run aground.

  • Mackinz

    Though everything else the others have mentioned would be horrible, I loathe the day when this new Theocracy becomes the next major enemy in the next world war… and how virtually every man who hasn’t left the country for less theocratic grounds would be forced to fight against the remaining secular countries. The country would end up allying with Russia and Saudi Arabia and the secular countries would ultimately have a domino effect in their treatment of religious members of the country.

    And then after the United States of Christ wins the war, due to size, firepower, resources, etc., the rest of the world would up for grabs.

    I really, really do not want this whole planet sliding into a theocratic nightmare.

    #ChristianNation

  • griffox

    The scariest part is that he didn’t have to invent many of these terrifying oppressions; it’s already happening somewhere in the world. Sometimes, I feel like we are one election away from taking a dangerous turn towards theocracy. I would fear the censorship of media most – to be cut off from free access to information would be like being cut off from breathable air. #ChristianNation

  • rtanen

    What is most scary about this premise would be the treatment of autistics and other neurodiverse. Picture atrocities from the Judge Rotenberg Center (look it up, it was in the USA torturing kids within the past decade), but more public and considered to be important parts of “exorcisms” as part of a return to the “demon possession” model of mental differences. Picture parents trying harmful quack cures on their kids to avoid them being “exorcized.”
    #ChristianNation

    • Paul Julian Gould

      I very much agree I’m speaking as as a man living with PDD-NOS and major depressive disorder. I fit both of the categories you listed, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least what would be my issues should such a horrid theocracy become a reality.

    • Matt Bowyer

      Oh damn, never thought about that. I’ve got Asperger’s!

  • DougI

    A love apocalyptic fiction, so I hope this turns out to be a good read.

  • sk3ptik0n

    #ChristianNation

    Makes me happy that if something like that came to pass, I was smart enough never to use my real name in any social network.

    • Paul Julian Gould

      Well, I always do, or I use a couple of nicks that are close enough, depending upon the venue. While I admit there are some things I wish I had said better over the past 20+ years of online life, I’ve always made it a practice to do my best to not post anything online that I wouldn’t say in person, in public or to someone’s face. There are times when I’ve posted in high rage at some of the abject willful ignorance and stupidity of some, those are also times that the other party should be glad we’re not in person.
      Pragmatically speaking, I don’t live in fear of being rounded up for something I’ve ever said, thought or believed, and I also, should the event occur know that I’d be probably one of the most arrogant assholes the people conducting the roundup have ever or would ever see. Tend to hold my head high, keep my own counsel, and I’m smart enough to keep some things that really matter to myself. What I say, online or off are things that either don’t matter in the long view of things, or I, by my honesty about certain things, including my own psychiatric issues, hope to defuse or diminish any repercussions should such things be discovered by other means.
      I don’t see any sort of drastic coup occurring as portrayed in the more dystopic novels. Rather, my greatest concern is the nose of the camel slowly entering the tent… The slower and more low-key things are, the less people notice until it’s way too late, but it is and will be in relatively small ways. However false the parable of the frog in boiling water, the image is apt, and does very much apply to what I see as quite possible, if not inevitable.

      I should add that I happen to be a longtime William Gibson fan, nonetheless. /*grin*/

      #Christian Nation

  • gandalfe

    The lack of scientific development. #ChristianNation

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    I have not read this particular book, but I believe in another excerpt the main character talks about how they executed the nine supreme court justices by beheading on national television.

  • Chris

    I’ve wanted to read this since I first heard about it. The things I would fear most in a theocracy would be either the loss of my birth control or the loss of my kids if the system figure out I am pansexual. #ChristianNation

  • pauk

    I tend to take the ability to think freely for granted, but looking at theocracies that exist in the world today, it appears to be the most plausible and most oppressive result of a hypothetical western theocracy: to control free thought itself, by controlling access to information. #christiannation

  • Andrew

    Good lord. Don’t we already know what it would be like if someone who doesn’t hold our values got into power? It was called the Bush Presidency. And while I wasn’t happy with what he did, it wasn’t like it was “Theocracy Now!”

  • walkamungus

    The worst thing about a theocracy would be the inevitable erosion of privacy. Oh wait, that’s already happening. #ChristianNation

  • Vision_From_Afar

    As a minority faith, and one often labeled with “devil worshiper”, etc., I wouldn’t expect much better than the gays in this kind of #ChristianNation

  • Kayte R.

    What would I be most afraid of? It depends upon the kind of theocracy for specific fears- but overall, I’d have the most fear around having life choices denied me. Wear pants, or a low cut shirt? NOPE. Work in a physical trade? DENIED. Drive a car as a single woman? HAH. Tattoos and cut my hair off? NOT ALLOWED. Not want kids, or not want to marry my first serious boyfriend (an emotionally abusive prick)? *shudder*

    The removal of options, the lack of self-determination is my biggest fear of theocracy- and theism in general.

  • Anna

    I’m curious what some of our resident Christians think of this question. Do any of them want a theocracy? If they were in charge of running the government, what would they outlaw? I assume they’d outlaw abortion and same-sex marriage. After they’d done that, what else? How about birth control? Single parenthood? Public schools? How would the lives of non-Christians be affected under a conservative Christian government? Would members of other religions be allowed to worship? Would non-Christians, atheists and LGBT people be allowed to keep and raise their children as they see fit? How about employment? Housing? The list of things that could be affected is endless.

  • Randy Saint-Louis

    For me, it would be the return of the persecution of those that were “different” and how this would escalate to become an oppressive state. #ChristianNation

  • SeekerLancer

    This is really ham-fisted writing. There are better ways to write a story about a fictional theocracy than to just throw out a strawman version of conservative politics. I can just read forums on the Internet for that.

  • MaxLaw843

    What to fear in a theocracy? There are theocracies in the world now, such as in Iran. From behind the veil, the presidency there is controlled, for better or for worse. If that were to be done in the USA, would it be the laws of Moses which would apply with all of the heinous punishment seen and talked of in the Old Testament? That would be the biggest fear, as there are many who would think it appropriate, such as in the fictional Deviancy Regulation. Would there be more of the grace and peace of the New Testament? Or would it switch back and forth. I prefer to live in a #ChristianNation, but that does not mean that a theocracy should be the appropriate manner of ruling. And, of course, a theorcracy would not have to be a Holy Bible creation, as is seen now in Iran. #ChristianNation

  • jackholesrealm

    As an email or blog post among friends this may get a chuckle but it’s utterly dumb otherwise.

    • Paul Julian Gould

      The book, the concept or the conversation regarding it, Jack? Honestly asked, as I really don’t intend to read the book… while I appreciate well-written, dystopian speculative fiction as much as the next guy, this seems to be more a matter of portraying an agenda couched in a work of fiction. For a variety of reasons, most of which have been expressed on this thread, either by myself or others, I have a deep concern that our nation is lurching towards a Dominionist and Authoritarian wet-dream, and there are plenty of indicators that some wish it to become so, and will not be dissuaded from that goal. That said, the idea that Sarah Palin would even be elected to one term, let alone two, tells me that perhaps there are other works that might make the case the author is attempting, and in a much better and less sensationalist way. But, hell… my ex-wife was addicted to Barbara Cartland romances back in the day, so to each his or her poison, I suppose, and there’s no accounting for some peoples’ literary tastes. (Full disclosure: I have to admit to being hooked on Nick Carter spy novels while spending long nights of guard duty… bubblegum for the brain is what it is… /*chuckle*/)

  • mrsjac

    The premise sounds interesting, but the writing is pretty lame. I would love to sit around a table in a bar and have a discussion about “what if” with others.

  • Margaret Richardson Taylor

    This was amazing. I think what I’m most afraid of is the pealing back of civil rights as it was demonstrated by the sexual deviancy laws. It harkens back to the Nazi era policies that seemed to be relived in the America of the 1950′s. I would love to read this book!! ! #ChristianNation

  • aliberalsliberal

    I read two words and cane directly here. Sarah palin is a joke and everyone knows it gop libs tea partiers fox news her family its just the time in which we live

  • Moises Urbina

    None I think I nation ran under God is what the Bible states! People are scared but you have to understand our nation was started and based on Christian Judeal principles and that’s why this nation grew to be the Great Nation the United States of America. Not by legalizing same sex marriage or legalizing abortion but by recognizing God as our Creator and Sustainer! Our Founding Father’s knew this so that’s why they established a Nation Under GOD!

    • Paul Julian Gould

      Ummm… first off, what means “Judeal?” I mean, my beloved late Pop was Jewish, but I don’t think he’d be considered Judeal… and yes, many of our Founding Fathers were Christian, some more conservatively than others. Others were Deists, Freethinkers, and there were even a few Jewish folks among them. There were no Muslims, but John Adams was respectful of the faith and its practitioners, as was Thomas Jefferson. You really do need to learn your history from folks other than Barton… even some of those who like him personally know he’s no historian, and they don’t refer to him or his ideas even second-hand as anything close to accurate history.

  • nschrand

    THIS BOOK IS FUCKING AWFUL, DON’T BUY IT.

    Seriously. I bought it yesterday, I’m more than a third through it, and it is not well-written at all. More than that, it is a sexist, classist, shit piece of bad literature.

    While the premise may be interesting, the author’s complete inability to write a character that doesn’t sound like a sockpuppet trying to teach you history is almost as offputting as the fact that, a third of the way through the book, the main character has only interacted with one named woman, that being his exceedingly stereotyped naggish businesswoman girlfriend.

  • Jason

    I fear its feasibility.

  • JudHanson

    The most terrifying aspect to me would be having to listen to Evangelicals drone on and on about the Bible-that would be a death sentence in and of itself.
    #ChristianNation

  • Kryill

    Who allowed this “book” to be published, There’s no suspension of disbelief that any of could happen unless everyone save the main protagonists where brain dead. Then there’s the ham-fisted Evangelicals magically takeover and some turn the U.S into a Theocracy will the help of China and Iran. How does Christianistism, which stupid and grammatically incorrect title aside happen? Not all Christian group believe in the exact same thing, and you have a wide range of Christians. ranging from Catholics,Orthodox,Eastern Orthodox,Oriental Orthodox,Calvinism,Luthernism,Baptist,Methodists and many more. All of these groups even though they have opposed and sometimes fought one another are just going to worth together. In order to have good speculative fiction, it has to be plausible, not all this happens because of magic or mass stupidity.

    • Paul Julian Gould

      Well-said… the book doesn’t appear to be really well-written, and seems to be more of a political polemic expressed in parable form… there are worthy targets of dispute, but a sensationalistic “what-if” scenario isn’t that well-written or thought-out… hell, the Christianists have a few somewhat effective and somewhat better-written polemics from the likes of Frank Peretti, and others… would be nice to have a better stitched-together counterpart… I freely admit that I haven’t read the book, nor do I intend to… the excerpts I’ve read are plenty reason enough for me to leave this particular book alone.

  • thayfen .

    As a humble and modest brother from Detroit, who works as an
    IT professional, there have been instances when I’d have these “Evangelical
    Christians” would approach me: in Church (I was raised Southern Baptist), In coffee shops—I carry my laptop everywhere, and
    out having dinner with my Asian wife and our stand-out mixed kids:

    1)
    Typically, it was about the evil computers that
    use “Daemons” –UNIX and Linux utilize small programs that run in the
    back-ground, doing things automatically for the user. Not actually evil, just automatically. And if I use the Satanist’s Bible to run the systems I work on.

    2)
    If I knew about various conspiracies to destroy the
    Christian Church in the United States and prepare for the coming of the
    Anti-Christ. (When I answer in the negative, these people would nod their heads
    understandingly, and say they “ Knew I was probably being watched”… It didn’t
    make a difference who the individual was socially, economically or culturally—they figured I was safe to ask, because I was Black, and thus, an “Outsider”.

    3)
    If I was worried about the threat to my marriage and family by the “Homosexual Cabal”—A shadowy organization working to destroy the “God Mandated Covenant” between Man and Woman in order to destroy the Family as we know it. (If the keepers of the “Gay agenda” are working to destroy MY marriage—Then these people are really pathetic. They can pay the college tuition for my kids, if they plan to take them.)

  • offred

    My greatest fear? That Margaret Atwood’s “The Handmaid’s Tale” would become a reality, not fiction.

  • offred

    That Jordan would program webcrawlers that would look for instances of words and terms that Jordan had listed as dangerous, and all communications by the people who use the terms would be wiretapped and put under investigation by the Federal Bureau of Faith and Inquisition.

    The FBFI would be patterned after the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (previously known as the Inquisition).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Doctrine_of_the_Faith

  • Linda

    I feel like, as a whole, theocracy scares me the most because of the freedoms I would lose. Everyone can believe whatever they want, but once someone starts to tell me what I SHOULD or SHOULD NOT believe (which I know already happens a bit), especially when it comes from the government, makes me feel like I might as well just be a drone. However, since I am not a drone, I could imagine being terrified that my beliefs did not align with those in power. Because when change starts to happen in that type of society, my life could be on the line simply for my beliefs.

    #ChristianNation

    • Paul Julian Gould

      As it’s a built-in feature to modern Dominionist, Evangelical and Fundamentalist subgroups of larger Christianity to “go out into the world and spread the good news,” that usually translates into “beat people over the head with the ‘truth’ as I think it is, and as I’m right and everyone else is wrong, I need to be as big an asshole as possible and shove it in your face at any opportunity.” I lived with it for 14 years in my first marriage, spent about 10 years in religious broadcasting (usually “Hobby Lobby” style of “christianity,” but sometimes cool working for a black gospel place in Birmingham. That was a whole different head, as these were guys that had marched with Rev. Dr. King, and knew him as a friend. That said, the biggest accounts we sold were for “Word/Faith” churches, fundy Baptist churches, and some of the worst of the Sarah Palin-like “spirituality.” These people are deadly serious about what they think they want, trust me. They’ve learned some lessons over the past few elections… learned them quite well, in fact. They know they have no chance rigging the game on a national level until they soften up the ground in the various statehouses and county seats … sort of a stealth coup attempt. Not going to happen, really, as these people just can’t seem to help themselves in figuring that anything they want to do, at some point they have to overdo, flash their poker hand and get slapped down again… But from some of the statehouse outrages, here in Texas, in Ohio, Florida, the Carolinas… and all over the place, that some of the worst of the outrages have even been given a respectful hearing, whether or not any of the bills or ballot measures passed, is chilling to even those of us who don’t happen to be paranoid conspiracy freaks… I lived in the belly of the beast for more than a decade, and some conspiracies actally exist, independent of the Alex Joneses of the world… These people are deadly serious. In their warped view of things, their fantasies and false extrapolations from valid sources of wisdom are all good and infallible, and as they’re all good, the rest of the world needs to knuckle under… I hate it with all that’s in me, but am just too damned tired to rage about it… so I write on blogs, sign petitions and go on with my life, as well as possible.

      But no one should ever, ever underestimate the so-called “Religious Right.” They know most people are against them, so they’re sneaking around the back… not fear of them, just awareness is what’s most productive.

  • miquel95929

    My only quibble would be that NY would be the lead state opposing the Theocracy.
    CA because of it’s geographic separation from DC, lack of a functional Conservative movement, and much larger population would be center stage.. The TV evangelical culture of Orange County is a fading memory as the OC becomes more Latino & Catholic. I would also expect that in addition to Jews & Muslims, Catholics ,Orthodox & Non Utah Mormons would join secularists in opposition to the Theocracy because they would see themselves as losers under the Niemuller rule.

    • Paul Julian Gould

      Good points, all… However, I’d caution against discounting what’s in the OC… the Orange Curtain is still pretty firmly in place, and however much the demographics may change, the broadcast outlets are there and operating at full, fanatical capacity on any cable or satellite system around the globe that’s willing to sell them channel space in their lineups. And they are still just as firmly doctrinaire and authoritarian as they’ve always been… they bought all that property, they’re going to use it, and they do and will continue to do.

  • Wychwood

    As I read this excerpt I could see it clearly in my mind.I could see the United States crumbling, falling into the Abyss. The Abyss was laughing.#ChristianNation

  • sodakhic

    Palin has a track record and it isn’t anything close to this hogwash. Dems loved her in Alaska, 85% approval. She went after her own party. How about a novel on her ending the crony capitalism and corruption in DC.

    • Paul Julian Gould

      Sorry, this still is Sarah Palin we’re talking about… even with your final sentence being a plot change, the book would still be classified in the “Fiction” section in B&N…

  • ctl

    What about enforcement of such a decree. We could not build the prisons fast enough.

  • Edmond

    Just wanted to say that I’m reading this book now, I’m a little past halfway, and I’m really enjoying it. Sure, it has an extremely liberal point of view, and it’s a bit on the implausible side (I hope!), but jeez, it’s just a novel. It’s written as a memoir from the year 2029, documenting the events that gradually led to evangelical domination. The author is a lawyer, and the main character writing the memoir is a lawyer, so it is very “technical”, but this fits the legal and political content of the alternate history. I recommend it, and I’m not even done yet.

  • gaige

    Man alive. Projection ain’t just a river in Egypt, is it?


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