The Fall of a Virginia Megachurch Pastor

OnKneesforJesus4 has chronicled the disturbing case of Richmond Outreach Center (“The ROC” Church) Pastor Geronimo Aguilar, who “currently faces possible life in prison for alleged sexual abuse charges involving a minor and the minor’s sibling.”

It’s a sad reminder of what can happen when people put all their faith into a “godly” leader despite any evidence to the contrary.

At least through the end of the year, Aguilar will receive his six-figure salary and his family will live in the church’s half-million-dollar parsonage.

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  • Rain

    Wow and his sermons on youtube sound so believable and gosh darn sincere and well-rehearsed. Yeah, adiós dude.

  • Baby_Raptor

    Well, good for his family, at least. If they had no part in this man’s crimes, they don’t deserve to be punished for them.

    • Randay

      Yeah, but he said that the people who suffered were his family. He doesn’t think of the suffering of the young girls he raped. For Mr. G, raping those girls was a way of making his family stronger. Never a thought for those he wronged.

      What did his brother and the board of his Church(es)know and do and when did they know it, if so? The brother at least should be under investigation too.

  • Stev84

    And his disgusting, brainwashed sheeple defend him. Urk.

    Also, “Pastor G.”? Why does anyone take this grifter seriously?

    • Roger Peritone

      Hah! You think that their defense of him is disgusting? Get a load of Apologetics Press’s Bert Thompson who was fired because of sexual misconduct:

      “We didn’t lay anything out on the table,” Miller said, referring to
      specific instances of wrongdoing. “We just said, ‘We now have knowledge
      of multiple incidents involving a number of individuals.’”

      At that time, Thompson confessed his sins and asked for forgiveness,
      according to those present. At his church the next night, he responded
      to the invitation and again asked for forgiveness.

      So we know he did it. Before that, they say:

      “We are deeply grateful for Dr. Thompson’s longstanding warfare
      against the sinister doctrine of evolution, with his eloquent
      affirmation of the biblical account of Creation,” Miller wrote in an
      open letter to Apologetics Press supporters.

      “Truth is truth, even if those who defend it eventually succumb to personal sin,” Miller wrote.

      Yep…a sexual molester is higher up in their esteem than are honest scientists.

      This is the mentality that we are up against.

    • Rafael

      There’s nothing to defend about the atheist pastor, he is not a Christian.

      • RobMcCune

        Except he is a christian who is a christian pastor at a christian church.

        • Rafael

          Except The Definition of Christian comes from The Bible, according to The Definition, he is not a Christian, as he is not, Christ-Tian, Christ-like, a Follower of Christ, a Christian obeys Jesus Christ commandments and does not sin.

          By Definition he does not know YHWH, and is not a Christian, therefore secular.

          he was a secular pastor a church.Secular building(As that “Church” holds to Penal Substitution, nowhere in The Bible, thus secular doctrine)

          • Parse

            Please cite your definition, chapter and verse. For bonus points, explain why, if Christians don’t sin, the Lord’s Prayer (You know that one? That prayer your Jesus told you to pray?) asks explicitly for forgiveness of sins, if Christians don’t sin. In case you forgot it, it’s here: http://biblehub.com/luke/11-4.htm

            • Rafael

              Jesus Christ gave an example of how to pray, to sinners, so He had to tell them to ask for forgiveness. that was an example, He said do not pray repetitively.

              • Parse

                No citation, just more assertions. I don’t get it – here’s an atheist, ASKING you to quote your Bible at me, and not only do you fail to do that, you come up with even more wild speculation.
                If Jesus said to not pray repetitively, please give the chapter and verse(s). If you choose to respond, and don’t provide the red letter citation, I (and any other reasonable observer) will think that you’re full of shit.

                • Rafael

                  “No citation, just more assertions. I don’t get it – here’s an atheist, ASKING you to quote your Bible at me”

                  I’m sorry, mind-fart/rushing, here’s the verses, no problem,

                  Matthew 6:7 – “7 “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition(battalogeó) as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.” – YHWH(The Father and The Son(Jesus Christ) and The Holy Spirit)

          • Greg G.

            Many Christians justify what they do by either cherry-picking Bible verses or reinterpreting them to convince themselves that they are not sinning. If it’s in the Old Testament, they say it’s the old covenant and ignore it. For example, one poster in this thread has a blog where he has convinced himself that lusting for a woman is not a sin. He has to re-interpret a dead language to do it while ignoring the context of the surrounding passages.

            • Rafael

              “He has to re-interpret a dead language to do it while ignoring the context of the surrounding passages.”

              Actually Lust really isn’t a sin, Matthew 5 is mistranslated, if you study greek it;s obvious. Read, http://savedbychrist94.blogspot.com/2013/04/lust-is-not-sin.html

              I never convinced myself when I wrote that blog, I just wrote the facts, lust isn’t a sin.

              If I didn’t prove that it’s not a sin, Demonstrate, otherwise your claim is false and I did in fact prove that it is not a sin.

              • Greg G.

                Start reading at Matthew 5:21. Jesus starts out quoting one of the Ten Commandments. Then he expands it to a trvial emotional state getting the same punishment.Just saying “You fool” can put you in hellfire.

                Then he quotes another commandment and expands its meaning to include a trivial emotional state. You ignored the parallel between the two passages. The complete meaning is set up by the previous passage.

                You are correct that lust is not a sin because the concept of sin is an imaginary construct. If you have caused harm to someone, it is that person who can forgive you. Another person can’t forgive you for what you’ve done to someone else and neither can a god.

                The way you are twisting the clear meaning of Matthew 5 shows that you see it as faulty. You should just recognize the philosophy as inferior, forget it, and work to improve modern philosophy.

                • Rafael

                  “Start reading at Matthew 5:21. Jesus starts out quoting one of the Ten Commandments. Then he expands it to a trvial emotional state getting the same punishment.Just saying “You fool” can put you in hellfire.”

                  and it doesn’t change anything, of course if you insult someone you’re in danger of HellFire(Death), you sin and you die.

                  “You are correct that lust is not a sin because the concept of sin is an imaginary construct.”

                  #1Proof that it is an imaginary construct?

                  #2, it’s not a sin because not only was Lust not ever forbidden but it’s advocated(Song of Solomon for example)

                  “If you have caused harm to someone, it is that person who can forgive you. Another person can’t forgive you for what you’ve done to someone else and neither can a god.”

                  #1 According to what standard do you base this off?

                  #2, Actually you have to ask YHWH for forgiveness, He knows everything including human conscious, He experienced the wrong doing, to not understand this is to not understand basic theology of omniscient.

                  “The way you are twisting the clear meaning of Matthew 5 shows that you see it as faulty.”

                  How exactly did I twist Matthew 5? Lust(Sexual Attraction, Sexual Thoughts) is not sin, study Greek.

                  “You should just recognize the philosophy as inferior, forget it, and work to improve modern philosophy.”

                  How is my philosophy inferior? sorry but unless you demonstrate, it’s nothing more than an insult.

                  Lust, sexual desire or/and sexual fantasies aren’t a sin, YHWH(The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit) created it like food, false “atheistic” religions called YHWH’s beauty a sin, I will prove it is not, do not let these religious secularist/”atheist”s fool you.

                  Matthew 5:27-28 in New International Version says, 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

                  Sorry but in Biblical study we use The Language in which YHWH gave us His Word, not faulty translations from man. this NIV translation is deceiving.

                  The Original Matthew 5:27-28 says in Koine Greek,

                  Matthew 5:27–28: Ἠκούσατε ὅτι ἐρρέθη· οὐ μοιχεύσεις. ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι πᾶς ὁ βλέπων γυναῖκα πρὸς τὸ ἐπιθυμῆσαι αὐτὴν ἤδη ἐμοίχευσεν αὐτὴν ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ αὐτοῦ.

                  Key here is this part: πρὸς τὸ ἐπιθυμῆσαι

                  transliteration, pros to epithumesai

                  pros to comes BEFORE epithumesai

                  so now just like these verses, where it would be rendered IN ORDER TO,

                  “Beware of practicing your righteousness before men in order to be noticed by them.” (Matt 6:1)

                  Original Greek – Προσέχετε [a]δὲ τὴν δικαιοσύνην ὑμῶν μὴ ποιεῖν ἔμπροσθεν τῶν ἀνθρώπων πρὸς τὸ θεαθῆναι αὐτοῖς· εἰ δὲ μή γε, μισθὸν οὐκ ἔχετε παρὰ τῷ πατρὶ ὑμῶν τῷ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς.

                  “… First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles in order to burn them up ….” (Matt 13:30)

                  Original Greek, 30 ἄφετε συναυξάνεσθαι ἀμφότερα [a]μέχρι τοῦ θερισμοῦ· καὶ ἐν καιρῷ τοῦ θερισμοῦ ἐρῶ τοῖς θερισταῖς· Συλλέξατε πρῶτον τὰ ζιζάνια καὶ δήσατε αὐτὰ εἰς δέσμας πρὸς τὸ κατακαῦσαι αὐτά, τὸν δὲ σῖτον συναγάγετε εἰς τὴν ἀποθήκην μου.

                  “But they do all their deeds in order to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments.” (Matt 23:5)

                  Original Greek – 5 πάντα δὲ τὰ ἔργα αὐτῶν ποιοῦσιν πρὸς τὸ θεαθῆναι τοῖς ἀνθρώποις· πλατύνουσι [a]γὰρ τὰ φυλακτήρια αὐτῶν καὶ μεγαλύνουσι τὰ κράσπεδα,

                  “For when she poured this perfume on my body, she did it in order to prepare me for burial.” (Matt 26:12)

                  Original Greek – 12 βαλοῦσα γὰρ αὕτη τὸ μύρον τοῦτο ἐπὶ τοῦ σώματός μου πρὸς τὸ ἐνταφιάσαι με ἐποίησεν.

                  All from Matthew.

                  So, Matthew 5:27-28 can be either of the following from the definition of epithumesai(which is verb), something you do, the one making no sense is void.

                  Here we go,

                  “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman in order to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

                  Lust is a desire, not an action even diliberate lust isn’t doing something, an action is something you do, whoever looks at a woman in order to, means in order to do something, do what? lust is an emotion, a desire, etc, not an action, so this definition is null and void. if Jesus Christ meant lusting after a woman was a sin, then He would have said, whoever looks at a woman AND lust, etc, but He said whoever looks at a woman IN ORDER TO, so it’s to do something, added with epithumesai is a verb, an action.

                  Since pros to makes this an action, whether you like it or not, lust long for, and set the heart upon definitions are out.

                  Now, the last definition would be Covet, lets see,

                  Matthew 5:27-28 – You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman in order to covet her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

                  Added with the fact that the word for covet and woman/wife are the same in Exodus 20:17(Septuagint)

                  οὐκ ἐπιθυμήσεις τὴν γυναῖκα τοῦ πλησίον σου. οὐκ ἐπιθυμήσεις τὴν οἰκίαν τοῦ πλησίον σου οὔτε τὸν ἀγρὸν αὐτοῦ οὔτε τὸν παῖδα αὐτοῦ οὔτε τὴν παιδίσκην αὐτοῦ οὔτε τοῦ βοὸς αὐτοῦ οὔτε τοῦ ὑποζυγίου αὐτοῦ οὔτε παντὸς κτήνους αὐτοῦ οὔτε ὅσα τῷ πλησίον σού ἐστιν. (Ex 20:17 LXX)

                  Added with looks at a woman in order to.

                  The intent of the look for for a purpose, the purpose of what? in order to do what? and that in order to do is epithumesai(verb) her

                  So it should be rendered,

                  You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a married woman(as same word for woman/wife is used in Septuagint version of 10th Commandment) with the intention(due to looking at a woman in order to epithumesai(verb) her) of taking her(stealing her from the husband or cheating with her due to 10th Commandment) has already committed adultery(Sex between married person and someone outside of relationship, aka cheating) with her in his heart.

                  So Jesus Christ is just retelling the law(Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery and 10th Commandment), He never added to The Law, The Law He originally gave at The Exodus was Fine.

                  Now with this fact, that covet is an action and not a desire and as proven by http://Goddidntsaythat.com/2011/03/02/the-ten-commandments-dont-forbid-coveting/

                  Covet in The 10 Commandments means take.

                  why? read the link and the fact that The 8th Commandment “Thou Shall Not Steal” uses the word ganab which can mean Kidnap

                  God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) gave commandments, prohibitions, on actions, which fits the entire context, desire is a natural thing that can BECOME sin, want proof?

                  James 1:15 – Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

                  Natural Desire can cause sin but isn’t sin, only an action or evil desires.

                  Therefore God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) condemned slavery and sexually desiring a woman isn’t a sin,

                  Proverbs 5:18-19 Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, a lovely deer, a graceful doe. Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight; be intoxicated always in her love

                  Song of Solomon 7:7-8

                  Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I say I will climb the palm tree and lay hold of its fruit. Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, and the scent of your breath like apples,

                  Song of Solomon 8:10
                  I was a wall, and my breasts were like towers; then I was in his eyes as one who finds peace.

                  The True 10 Commandments are,

                  1, You shall have no other gods before Yahweh(The True God, The Trinity of The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit)
                  2, You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
                  3, Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy
                  4, You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
                  5, Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
                  6, You shall not murder.
                  7, You shall not commit adultery.
                  8, You shall not Kidnap
                  9, You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
                  10, “You shall not take(steal) your neighbor’s house. You shall not take(steal) your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

                  and Matthew 5:27-28 is, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a married woman with the intention of taking her(stealing her from the husband or cheating with her) has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

                  Basically, Jesus Christ is saying, you know to not commit adultery, do not even plan or intend on taking(or cheating) with a woman, because it’s as if you already did so.

                  Which fits well with The Rest of The Sermon of The Mount because remember,

                  Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

                  Jesus Christ never abolished or added any laws, The laws He gave at the exodus were fine.

                  For example on Oaths

                  Matthew 5:33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.[g]

                  Jesus Christ was just telling us how to accomplish the law, so for adultery(cheating, unfaithfulness, can only be committed by a married person and someone else(aka cheating) He said don’t even plan to do it(like King David remember)

                  But lets use The Very Orthodox Books themselves(Early Church Fathers how the early Church in 2ND CENTURY had this verse to prove this,

                  “ἡ δὲ εὐαγγέλιος φωνὴ ἐπιτατικώτερον διδάσκει περὶ ἁγνείας λέγουσα· “Πᾶς ὁ ἰδὼν γυναῖκα ἀλλοτρίαν πρὸς τὸ ἐπιθυμῆσαι αὐτὴν ἤδη ἐμοίχευσεν αὐτὴν ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ αὐτοῦ. καὶ ὁ γαμῶν”- Theophilus to Autolycus, B III, Ch 3

                  Key word? ἀλλοτρίαν which means, “belongeth to another”

                  Lust isn’t a sin, Adultery is.

                  On other supposed verses on lust being sin,

                  I Peter 4:3
                  For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries

                  On this verse, the word translated to lust in the Greek is again epithumeo; a longing (especially for what is forbidden), which fits well in the context, because Peter would have condemned a specific sexual behavior as well, he didn’t even mention sexual sins, so this is about the crazy drugged up, drunken lifestyle that is condemned.

                  Even Peter 1 4:2 The Previous verse confirms this, http://interlinearbible.org/1_peter/4-2.htm as the same word is used,
                  “so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.” Obviously sexual desire isn’t being mentioned in that men but the desires of men, which is evil, and that we should no longer live for the lusts of men(sin and evil) but for The Will of God(YHWH: The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit)

                  There ya go lust isn’t a sin, even if you sexually desired a married woman it isn’t a sin(only if you wanted to commit adultery is where you have sinned).

                  YHWH(The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit) created sex, sexual desire, and physical beauty, so no it’s not a sin to have good sexual fantasies, or to delight in a womans beauty, it’s from YHWH.

                  What is sin would be harming or harmful fantasies , that has nothing to do with sex.

                  Proverbs 5:19 – A loving doe, a graceful deer– may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be intoxicated with her love.

                  In Jesus Christ Name, God(YHWH: The Father and The Son(Jesus Christ) and The Holy Spirit)

                • Greg G.

                  You missed the point. I don’t disagree that lust is a normal human reaction that doesn’t do harm to anyone. You don’t need to prove it biblically. I agree with you that you can find lots of sex talk in the OT. You forgot Ezekiel 23.

                  Matthew was putting words into the Jesus character’s mouth and Matthew’s point was that lust is as bad as adultery. I thought it should be clear that having similar sentence construction in the anger/murder verses conveys a similar message to the lust/adultery verses. You are missing that sort of subtext because you think everything must agree.

                  This is a long-dead article so the comments will get read about once in a blue moon. Nobody but you, Parse, and I have done anything here for the last week. If you wish to continue the conversation, can we move it to a more active forum, please?

      • Mario Strada

        Now he is an atheist you worthless liar? That’s it, you are a troll and I made a mistake answering your first post. Since the idiocy is self evident, I think it would be a good idea to ignore your ass and let you post unanswered. Trolls are like sharks,. They have to entice response all the time or they die.

        • Baby_Raptor

          I think you misunderstood him. He isn’t claiming the man doesn’t believe in God, he’s using “Atheist” as a derogatory term; like we would use “scumbag.”

          Or at least that’s the only way I can make his barfings a la keyboard make sense.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            It’s kind of like the guy I argued with who pulled the usual “Hitler was an atheist” Except he had a twist. You see, Hitler, and for that matter, the KKK are all ‘atheists’ because they ‘clearly’ aren’t following Jesus. Clearly.

            I was never able to get a ‘clear’ answer on whether Hindus were in fact actually atheists.

            It’s a catch-all for “Everyone I won’t want in my club”.

            • Baby_Raptor

              I love telling people who pull that card that Hitler was, in fact, a Christian. He claimed that the Holocaust was “God’s will.” And the Nazis had a reference to god on their uniforms.

              Fundies pull No True Scotsmans about as much as they do the indignancy card.

              • Rafael

                “I love telling people who pull that card that Hitler was, in fact, a Christian. He claimed that the Holocaust was “God’s will.” And the Nazis had a reference to god on their uniforms.”

                Technically not a Christian, a Christian by definition does not sin(1John 3, Matthew 7:21)

                As a matter of fact, John 16:2 – “They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.”

                Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder” – YHWH(The Father and The Son(Jesus Christ) and The Holy Spirit)

                Matthew 5:43-48 -”43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” – YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

                None of those did Hitler follow, he by definition was not a Christian, he was secular and I used no fallacy to prove this.

            • Rafael

              Actually they are atheists, Atheists lack belief in God, YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) is God, thus hindus, muslims, etc are atheists

          • Rafael

            “He isn’t claiming the man doesn’t believe in God, he’s using “Atheist” as a derogatory term; like we would use “scumbag.””

            No he actually doesn’t believe, he suppresses truth, if he did he wouldn’t sin.

        • Rafael

          “Now he is an atheist you worthless liar? That’s it, you are a troll ”

          So because I said he’s an atheist I’m a troll? Why is that, had he believed, he would not sin, the pastor suppresses the truth.

      • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

        “Atheist pastor”? Have you ever heard of such a thing? Are you done trolling for jesus yet?

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          “Have you ever heard of such a thing?”

          Well yes, but I doubt Rafael is referring to Jerry DeWitt or Teresa MacBain.

        • Rafael

          How do you troll for Jesus Christ? why try insult? that is evil.

          A Pastor can be an atheist.

      • Michael W Busch

        No. He is not an atheist. He asserts the existence of a god – specifically a trinitarian Christian god, of a style modified from that of the Southern Baptist Convention. That makes him a Christian. Cut out the No True Scotsman.

        Neither “Christian” nor “atheist” is synonymous with “good person” or “evil person”.

        • Rafael

          “He asserts the existence of a god – specifically a trinitarian Christian god, of a style modified from that of the Southern Baptist Convention. That makes him a Christian. Cut out the No True Scotsman.”

          No he doesn’t The Definition of Christian is someone who follows Jesus Christ, if he did, he would not sin(Matthew 7:21, 1 John 3)

      • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

        dude you are seriously underestimating the depth of this forum.

      • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

        Assuming of course that you know this, without knowing that you knew this, because to know that he is an atheist you would have to had knowledge of atheism prior to your assertion that he is an atheist. Unfortunately though since your senses are blinded by theistic beliefs you could never fully know that he is an atheist.

        • Rafael

          Actually I do, the pastor did not believe The Bible, had he, he wouldn’t have done this, as The Bible says, “Love Thy Neighbor as thyself, he was secular

          1 John 3:5-9 : You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or [a]knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil [b]has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is [c]born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [d]born of God.

          • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

            Are your actions now in compliance with your Love thy neighbor quote? Are you treating us with the same respect you expect? Since you aren’t, you are an ‘Atheist’ by your own logic. But I hate to rain on your parade, but that love thy neighbor bullshit is just a re-iteration of the golden rule, which pre-dates the bible and is one of the basis for Secular Humanism. So that’s twice you’ve sided with us atheists! Welcome to the party!

          • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

            1 John 3:5-9 WTF is that? You know that He (Who?) appeared in order to take away sins (what are sins?) and in Him (who?)there
            is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him (um, who?) sins; no one who sins has seen Him
            (bla bla) or [a]knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the
            one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He (who is this He?) is righteous; 8
            the one who practices sin is of the devil (what is a devil?) ; for the devil [b]has sinned
            from the beginning. The Son of God (what is a g-o-d?) appeared for this purpose, to destroy
            the works of the devil. 9 No one who is [c]born of God (and again?) practices sin,
            because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [d]born
            of God (and again??)

            Dude if you are going to make a point could you at least use words that are recognizable and coherent.

            and Oh, by the way you don’t know jack shit.

          • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

            You don’t know diddly squat you are just repeating a “no true Scotsman” argument over and over as if I am going to believe your psycho-babble. Go ahead and quote as much scripture as you like, it is based on a lie, a false premise that a mythical deity is real. It means nothing to me nor to many other atheists. Quoting scripture doesn’t make your argument’s any more valid, in fact, they make them less valid since you are filling your argument’s with countless fallacies. Stop masturbating to Mariah Carey and get a life.

          • Greg G.

            Actually I do, the pastor did not believe The Bible, had he, he wouldn’t have done this, as The Bible says, “Love Thy Neighbor as thyself, he was secular

            Paul says “Love Thy Neighbor as thyself” is fulfilling the whole law while James says it’s a good start but if you break one part of the law, you break the whole law. The Bible is the big book of multiple-choice. Christians have justified war, slavery, and murder by focusing on certain verses from the Bible. If you want to biblically kill someone, accuse them of being a witch, torture them until they confess, quote Exodus 22:18, and execute them.

            Nobody is a Christian unless Rafael judges them to be a Christian.

          • Greg G.

            You keep trying to read the Bible as if all the authors agree with one another. Paul says that following Leviticus 19:18 “Love thy neighbor as thyself” fulfills the whole law. (Galatians 5:14) James 2:8-10 says that Lev 19:18 is good but if you break any of the law you have broken the whole law. James is a refutation of Galatians. Nearly every point Paul makes is refuted in James, often by giving a similar style argument from the Old Testament. Cherry picking Bible passages to “prove” a point is older than canonization. The Bible is a big book of multiple choice and always has been.

            You define yourself as a Christian, pick out a few Bible passages that say Christians don’t sin, and then define everything you do as “not sin”. Then you can apply the “No True Scotsman” fallacy to anyone you don’t want to be a Christian. You may as well declare yourself to be God.

            • Rafael

              “You keep trying to read the Bible as if all the authors agree with one another. Paul says that following Leviticus 19:18 “Love thy neighbor as thyself” fulfills the whole law. (Galatians 5:14) James 2:8-10 says that Lev 19:18 is good but if you break any of the law you have broken the whole law. James is a refutation of Galatians. Nearly every point Paul makes is refuted in James, often by giving a similar style argument from the Old Testament.””

              This is absurd, Paul says Love Thy Neighbor as thyself fulfills the whole Law, and it IS The Whole Law,

              Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, [a]a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and [b]foremost commandment.39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” – YHWH(The Father and The Son(Jesus Christ) and The Holy Spirit)

              So when James says you break one of the laws, every law being based on Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself, you DO break the entire Law, as the law is Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself, they agree perfectly)

              and even James specifically says,

              James 2:8 – “8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right.”

              The Law is Basically Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself and Love YHWH your God with all your Heart, Soul and Mind, and this is confirmed in Leviticus, Mark, Matthew, Luke, John, James, Pauls Lettters.

              “The Bible is a big book of multiple choice and always has been.”

              Demonstrate,

              • Greg G.

                So when James says you break one of the laws, every law being based on
                Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself, you DO break the entire Law, as the law is
                Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself, they agree perfectly)

                What does not eating shellfish have to do with “Love they neighbor”? That’s one part of the whole law. You get the wrong haircut, you’ve broken the whole law.

                You won’t even quote James 2:20.

                “The Bible is a big book of multiple choice and always has been.”

                Demonstrate,

                According to the List of Christian denominations, there are about 41,000 Christian denominations, each claiming to have a different understanding of the Bible than the church down the street and all claiming to get their interpretations through the Holy Ghost and from the same Bible.

                It’s not just between individual denominations. You have the Catholic-Protestant split, the Calvinism vs Arminianism split, and mainstream vs mainstream. (Both Creationists and non-Creationists like to consider themselves “mainstream”.)

                If the Bible was not multiple choice, there would be one religion and all would agree on the meaning of each verse and would have the similar emphasis on each verse.

      • Baby_Raptor

        So, what? Only Christians are worth defense?

        • Rafael

          Yeah, whoever the True Christian is, as that person obeys Christ and is righteous, that person is made perfect, as YHWH is perfect(Matthew 5), people like this pastor are not Christian, unless they repent and do good, Genuinely, not out of fear, like Scripture says,

          1 John 4:8 – There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

          • Baby_Raptor

            You have a lot of balls coming to an Atheist website and making the claims you’re making. I’d suggest you leave and not return. You’re not going to get any kicks from trolling here.

          • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

            Here’s a bible verse for you. This is what it means to be a “True Christian”.

            “Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.” (1 Peter 2:18)

          • RobMcCune

            Odd, for all your bible quoting, you failed to include the passage that shows you are perfect. That’s a bit of flaw in how you make your case. Oh well, salt loses it’s flavor, these things happen.

          • Greg G.

            Why quote 1 John 4? It should be 1 John 100 or some round number because the reasoning is so circular. 1 John 4:12 says no one has ever seen God but Deuteronomy 34:10 and Exodus 33:11 say God and Moses used to converse face to face while Exodus 33:20-23 says God only mooned Moses because seeing his face would kill a person. It’s more biblical multiple-choice.

      • http://confessionsfromthepeanutgallery.blogspot.com/ YankeeCynic

        Why don’t you ask him, I’ll imagine he’ll have a rather different opinion.

      • Matt D

        If you have trouble with reality then I suggest you stop using the internet.

      • Carpinions

        F*ck you very much, he’s yours. Own it.

        You don’t get to define bad guys into your favorite out-group so you can sleep well at night knowing anyone committing crimes isn’t in your pet group. Yours is one of the worst forms of scape-goating, and is beyond dishonest and disreputable. Even the Bible shows you to misrepresent your own religion. I do seem to recall Jesus accepting whores into his throng…

        • Rafael

          “F*ck you very much, he’s yours. Own it.”

          You tell me to go fuck myself, yet claim this guy is not one of yours, you do the same this guy does, evil. cursing at someone, murdering someone, raping someone is all evil, you should never desire to get revenge or harm someone because you want them to feel that way.

          Also he’s not “mine”, I do not rape, nor is he apart of Christians, he isn’t one, Christians do not sin, 1 John 2:4 – “Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.”

          1 John 3:5-9 : You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or [a]knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil [b]has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is [c]born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [d]born of God.

          The pastor by definition is secular.

          • Baby_Raptor

            Words are not evil. Words you dislike are not evil. And comparing hearing a word you happen to not like to rape is the height of offense. Maturity…Get some. After you’re done with that, move on to common sense and empathy.

            By your “defense” that this man isn’t a Christian, you aren’t even one. Nobody is perfect. Nobody can keep all of your god’s laws 24/7. So you cannot be a Christian either, because like this man you sin.

            Oh, and your definition of secular? Totally wrong. “Secular” does not mean “evil,” nor does it mean “Does not adhere to Rafael’s standards.” Please stop commenting on things you do not understand.

            • Rafael

              How do you know that Nobody is perfect?

              2, “Nobody can keep all of your god’s laws 24/7. ”

              Yes you can, The Law is easy, Love YHWH your God with all your heart mind and soul, and Love thy neighbor as thyself. that is what The Law is all about, if a Law goes out of these bounds it’s either an Israelite law(which was for Israelites only) or an Interpolation.

              I never made a claim about myself, I believe, and hopefully am Saved.

              “Oh, and your definition of secular? Totally wrong. “Secular” does not mean “evil,” nor does it mean “Does not adhere to Rafael’s standards.””

              I never said Secular means evil I said it means outside of Bible/With God, this pastor by definition was not a Christian and was secular.

              Is Secularism evil? Now I will address that, Yes it is, Good is not a Subjective Property, if it is then rape can be good by human opinion, it cannot, it’s objective, as rape can never be right, it overrules human opinion, if moral was to human opinion then rape could be by human opinion right, it cannot ever be right.

              So Morals are Objective, they were caused with us, now are Morals a Mindless property? No, they are personal, and Scientifically a Cause has equal or greater properties than the effect, whatever caused Moral has to have Person, as Morals are personal, a mindless cause cannot have scientifically caused moral.

              Now we know a mind caused morals, this mind is YHWH. if you are secular, without YHWH(God) then you lack Him, and He is The Good, so if you lack or reject Him then you reject Moral Good(YHWH), such as Loving Good(YHWH: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) and Loving Thy Neighbor as Thyself

              • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

                This is what delusion looks like kids. This is your brain on “faith”, the most boring and mind numbing drug out there. Symptoms of faith may include trolling on the Internet with nonsense and a dickish sense of moral superiority over everybody else.

                • Rafael

                  Can you demonstrate where in my comments I was being, delusional?

          • RobMcCune

            The pastor by definition is secular.

            Not if you understand the meaning of the words “secular” or “definition”.

        • Rafael

          “Even the Bible shows you to misrepresent your own religion. I do seem to recall Jesus accepting whores into his throng…”

          Of course He did, He accepts sinners and MAKES them Christians, Christians still do not sin. I never said the pastor shouldn’t have mercy upon him, hopefully he does, however he wasn’t a Christian, a Christian does not evil, they may have DONE evil, but they have repented and are a new person.

          • RobMcCune

            So he was a christian pastor until he committed his crime, but soon after he repented, and was christian until his next offense. Wash, rinse, repeat.

            • Rafael

              No, if he was a Christian, he would not have chose to sin, Christians love thy neighbor as thyself, as Bible defines it(where Christian Definition comes from)

              1 John 3:5-9 : You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or [a]knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil [b]has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is [c]born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [d]born of God.

      • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

        Dude what’s up with part porn addict and part fundamentalist behaviours?

  • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

    and the catholics will start pointing their collectively judgemental fingers in 3. 2.. 1…

  • DougI

    He thanks god for his critics so god rewarded him by piling on and bringing him more critics. LOL. When the case is finished, will the taxpayers be able to get some of their money back for having paid this church to provide him funds to find more victims?

  • Mario Strada

    He is guilty of putting his parishioners between a ROC and a hard place.

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    There’s really two stories here, the pastor, and the Richmond PD’s financial involvement with the church. They never did really explain that. Isn’t there someone in Richmond VA who can get FFRF to look into that?

  • Mario Strada

    The home he lives in is worth $600K? When I come from in California that would be at least a million or more. In some counties double that.

    Heck, my home is worth $400K even after getting upside down and it’s a small home, in a nice area, but nothing to write home about. That frigging thing they showed on tv was a mansion, or a McMansion. Regardless, I would be able to put my own home in its garage, probably.

    What I gather from this is that Christians keep home values down, evidently.

    • allein

      My parents’ 3-bedroom ranch house in New Jersey is probably worth 400k. My dad’s brother moved from Maryland to North Carolina in part because housing was so much cheaper, and I have a cousin (in NJ) who is considering Tennessee now that his daughter is off to college next month.

      Come to think of it, my aunt and uncle are born-again types, too…you might have something there..

      • Mario Strada

        I need to import some of them to the San Francisco Bay Area so I can crash the home values there and I’ll be able to move back.

        Back in the late 90, I was making over $12oK a month, plus bonuses. I had a sizable deposit and I went to the bank to see if I could buy a home in Mill Valley. They almost laugh me out of the bank.

        Mill valley is the place where once, at a freeway exit there was a pileup of cars stopping traffic and the lousiest car in the pileup was a late model Porsche 911. The car the Porsche run into was an Aston martin, and the other cars ahead were all around that level. No lousy Toyotas for the resident of that town.

    • Rafael

      How do you know they are Christians? because they claim to be?

      • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

        How else? We are what we claim to be….

        • Rafael

          No we aren’t, I can claim to be Michael Jackson, I ain’t him.

          • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

            And you accused ME of Strawman….

      • Baby_Raptor

        You don’t get to decide who is and isn’t a Christian. And you don’t get to sit there and scream “They aren’t Christians!” because they did something you don’t like.

        I mean, I guess you *could* do that…But nobody is going to listen to you. For one, most people outside your Christer bubble have enough respect not to call BS on someone’s descriptions of their own beliefs. And for two, there are so many subsets of Christianity claiming to be the “right” one…But Jesus said that all you have to do is believe in him. So anyone that does is truly a Christian, whether you like it or not.

        • Rafael

          “You don’t get to decide who is and isn’t a Christian. And you don’t get to sit there and scream “They aren’t Christians!” because they did something you don’t like.”

          No, I didn’t say that because I didn’t like it, but from where The Definition of Christian comes from, The Definition of a Christian is from The Bible, everyone agrees on this, this is where Christian originated,

          now what does The Bible define a Christian as?

          1 John 3: 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or [a]knows Him.

          “But Jesus said that all you have to do is believe in him. So anyone that does is truly a Christian, whether you like it or not.”

          No, Jesus Christ said, Matthew 5:17-19 “17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [a]the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches [b]others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever [c]keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

          and Matthew 28:19-20 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to obey all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you [f]always, even to the end of the age.””

          and importantly, Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” – YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

          So no, He didn’t say JUST believe, Jesus Christ said you must obey what He commanded,

          He also said,

          Now what is The Law/His Commandment?

          Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, [a]a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and [b]foremost commandment.39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” – YHWH(The Father and The Son(Jesus Christ) and The Holy Spirit)

          and Matthew 7:12 – “12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” – YHWH(The Father and The Son(Jesus Christ) and The Holy Spirit)(Sorry for repeating this, have OCD)

          Jesus Christ didn’t say just believe you have to follow His Command, Love YHWH(The Father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit) with all your heart, soul and mind. and Love thy neighbor as thyself.

          • Baby_Raptor

            As I said in an above post, you are no more a Christian than this man if THIS is truly the defense you’re sticking to. You’re not even following this commandment on your posts here.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            So, Andrea Yates, who followed God’s command, is clearly a Christian.

            • Rafael

              Love Thy Neighbor as thyself and Thou Shall Not Murder, she did not follow YHWH’s Commandments and was not a Christian.

              • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

                Oh, so you have to follow God’s Commandments, not what God actually tells you in person? So if God appears before you and tells you to kill someone, you won’t do it? I must say, that’s a little bit comforting.

                But then, the Canaanites… or was that before the Ten Commandments… I’d have to look it up. So was killing ok before God said not to? Or only when God says to but not if your name is Andrea Yates?

          • Greg G.

            1 John 3: 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in
            Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins
            has seen Him or [a]knows Him.

            You may have missed the previous verse where sin is defined.

            4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

            1 John thinks you should be following Old Testament law in order to be a Christian.

            • Rafael

              Of course we should, He said we shouldn’t follow works of law, Old Testament/Jesus Christ law is the same, if you refer to scarifices etc that’s called Works of Law according to Scholars(New Perspective On Paul), that is not necessary as that was for Israelites only(“Speak to Israelites” for example)

              • Greg G.

                You have direct contradiction about that in the Bible, the big book of multiple choice. By the first century BC, Jewish leaders were lessening the importance of the Law. Rabbi Hillel is quoted in te Talmud:

                “What is hateful to yourself, do not do to your fellow man. That is the whole Torah; the rest is just commentary. Go and study it.” 

                Hillel’s great grandson, Gamaliel, is mentioned in Acts 5:34 as speaking in favor of the apostles, and in Acts 22:3 as being Paul’s teacher. This is plausible as Paul says something similar, citing Leviticus 19:18, in Galatians 5:14

                For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

                The Epistle of James argues against nearly every point in Galatians. The closest he comes to agreeing with Paul is that Leviticus 19:18 is a good start but refutes the rest.

                James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

                Compare Galatians and James to see the real dispute on works instead of the various modern glosses. Works is being an Orthodox Jew who can’t open a refrigerator if it has a light bulb in it.

      • Guest

        Mostly it’s because they act like you, at least as far as children are concerned.

        • Rafael

          What do you mean act like me? why insult me? why would anyone want to harm or offend someone else? why would you want to?

          • Baby_Raptor

            Ask yourself that. You’re the one doing the harm and offending. Nice try on turning it back on Guest, though.

            • Rafael

              How am I harming and offending?

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      CA housing prices are much, much higher than just about anywhere in Virginia. I just bought a house (we closed today!) for ~160k that I know would be worth about 600k in Orange County.

      • 3lemenope

        Congrats!

        • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

          Thanks.

  • Rafael

    What does this have to do with The Bible or God’s existence? as The Bible says,

    1 John 3:5-9″You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or [a]knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no onedeceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil [b]has sinned from the beginning. The Son of Godappeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is [c]born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [d]born of God.”

    The “Pastor” was secular, not a Christian, a Christian does not sin.

    • Mario Strada

      Really? So all the talking about needing Jesus to clean your sins, is it all hogwash? I mean, if True Christians(tm) do not sin, then what’s the point of jesus? I guess he has done his job or something.

      Let me ask you Rafael, how did you place at the World Hypocrisy Games? You are gold medal material.
      You must live a blessed life. You hate sin and sinners, but you yourself cannot sin because you are a True Christian(tm). You also get to proclaim who is a christian, thus ensuring that all the riff raff will not stain the reputation of your religion.

      And on top of everything, you feel that you have to post this monumental fallacy, this world cup level cop out, in a Atheist Blog. As if anyone here could read your asinine and illogical post and actually agree with you.

      To answer your question, what does this have to do with the Bible or God’s existence? Nothing you dufus. Did anyone gave you the opposite impression?

      But it has a lot to do with the hypocrisy of Christians and their delusion. And almost magically,you end up posting here confirming the hypothesis that some Christians, especially those that let the Bible do their thinking, are a bit soft in the head.

      • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

        Wow. Slow clap for you!

      • Greg G.

        a Christian does not sin.

        Exactly correct. There’s no such thing as an actual Christian and no such thing as sin. They are imaginary theological concepts. Religion is like a role playing game for adults but the players confuse it with reality. That causes problems in the real world.

        • Rafael

          “There’s no such thing as an actual Christian”

          How do you know? so you know if everyones moral status? how do you not know that the guy down the street is a murderer? you don’t.

          “no such thing as sin.”

          No such thing as Murder, Rape, Harm, etc? Because that’s what sin is.

          “That causes problems in the real world.”

          Saying Sin exists, saying murder, rape, harm etc doesn’t cause problems , it aknowledges it and helps prevent it from happening.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            No, that’s not what ‘sin’ is. Sin isn’t about doing something bad, sin is about doing something God doesn’t want. Murder is a sin, and so is rape in some contexts, but not in others.

            Since God doesn’t exist, sin is an abstract concept that exists in the minds of people who think God exists, and think they know exactly what God does and doesn’t want.

            Not to be confused with actually harming or causing suffering, which is usually bad, but not a ‘sin’.

            • Rafael

              “No, that’s not what ‘sin’ is. Sin isn’t about doing something bad, sin is about doing something God doesn’t want. ”

              Exactly, and what doesn’t YHWH want? Harm, that’s the point of The Law,

              “Not to be confused with actually harming or causing suffering, which is usually bad, but not a ‘sin’.”

              Actually sin is a Transgression of Law(1 John 3:4), so what is The Law?

              Matthew 7:12 – “12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”

              The Law is basically Anti-Harm, when you break this you sin, Sin = Harm, Sin = Evil.

              What YHWH doesn’t want is Harm, therefore Harm is a sin and The Law is to prevent it until Jesus Christ and saved us.

              “Murder is a sin, and so is rape in some contexts, but not in others”

              Murder and Rape are always a sin, how are they not in some contexts?

              “Since God doesn’t exist”

              How do you know?

              “sin is an abstract concept that exists in the minds of people who think God exists”

              No, it’s something we observe everyday, evil.

              “and think they know exactly what God does and doesn’t want.”

              We all actually do, because it’s written in The Bible, He wants us to Love Him(YHWH: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) and Love our Neighbor as ourselves.(Matthew 5)”

              • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

                Matthew 7:12 – “12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”

                The Law is basically Anti-Harm, when you break this you sin, Sin = Harm, Sin = Evil.

                There are a lot of laws throughout the bible, many of which are harmful to people and to animals for that matter.

                Many of the laws are more about God’s petty jealousy than preventing harm.

                He wants us to Love Him

                No, he demands that we love him. How is demanding someone to love preventing harm?

                We have free will? A choice? We can love God or go to Hell? At least an abusive spouse gives flowers and chocolate after threatening you.

                • Rafael

                  “We can love God or go to Hell?”

                  Eternal Torment is unbiblical, before I begin let me refute the unbiblical doctrine, with Jude 7, and Revelation 20:14, Hell is basically the grave, it’s death, nonexistence.

                  “No, he demands that we love him. How is demanding someone to love preventing harm?”

                  Of course it does, YHWH is Good, if you do not love Good with all your heart, then there’s a part of you that doesn’t love Good, which means you’re evil, if you’re good you’ll love Good with everything, with all your mind, heart and soul, if you lack then you really don’t love good, it’s one or the other, good or lack of it, life or lack of it, if you want life you cannot NOT want it, you do or don’t.

                  If you do all good things, help the poor, love your family and etc yet rape or murder then you are not good.

                  If you don’t love YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit, who is The Good, The Joy, The Life, The EXISTENCE) with all your heart mind and soul, then why do you deserve life? you never wanted it.

                  That’s why He demands us in order to get life, to love Him with all our Hearts, Soul, Mind, etc, you really think YHWH(God) has something to gain? That He NEEDS our Glory? No, He loves you and wants you to live, in order to live you need to do 2 things, Want Life and Want Good, if not then you don’t deserve it(as you wouldn’t want it and if you aren’t Good, then you’re against life, as evil is harmful)

                  If you love for example sex, you Have to love YHWH, He created it, if not, then you don’t love, Sex, it’s from Him,

                  That’s why Sin is slavery, it’s a killjoy, it’s being a slave, to be Free, you need to be in YHWH(He made Freedom exist)

                  So yes in order to live we need to love YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) with all our hearts, minds and souls, He loves you, and if you want Life and Good, you have to want Him, because He is The Good and Life, as He said,

                • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

                  I love Good, I don’t think God exists.

                  I’m not sure what label you’d choose to put on me, but since you consistently make up your own definitions for things, it’s pretty irrelevant.

          • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

            Murder, rape and harm aren’t ‘sins’. They actions that affect people negatively and have secular laws that prohibit them. Sins are crimes against god, like taking his name in vain, working on a Sunday, being born gay, or even being born at all (original sin). As there is not god to commit crimes against, there cannot be ‘sin’. Get your terminology strait.

            • Rafael

              Yes they are, Murder Exodus 10 Commandments, and Rape is condemned, Deuteronomy 22:25-27

              ” being born gay”

              Homosexuality isn’t a sin, http://savedbychrist94.blogspot.com/2013/04/homosexuality-is-not-sin-part-1.html

              ” even being born at all (original sin)”

              This is unbiblical.

              This is the definition of Sin,

              1 John 3:4 “Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.”

              So what is the Law? what is this law you break that causes sin?

              Matthew 22:34-40 “34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, [a]a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and [b]foremost commandment.39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” – YHWH(The Father and The Son(Jesus Christ) and The Holy Spirit)

              “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” – YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

              So not loving they neighbor as thyself, doing unto others as you would have them do to you and not Loving YHWH with all your heart, mind and soul is sin

              Sin is basically Harm.

              • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

                I told you, quoting the bible carries zero weight here. Quoting Harry Potter doesn’t prove magic exists any more than you quoting the bible proves sin exists.

          • Baby_Raptor

            Sin is a problem religion created so as to fill a need. It exists to shame people into buying into whatever the preacher is selling. That’s it.

            And you asking how Greg knows everyone’s moral status is just hilarious, given that you came to this thread specifically to judge a person’s moral status. Hypocrisy, much? Or is it okay when you do it?

            Calling murder, rape ETC “sin” does not help prevent it. Truly good people do no need an invisible sky daddy looking over their shoulder to be a good person.

            By the way? You’re sinning everywhere in this thread. You’re causing harm, both to the people you’re replying to, and to Christianity’s image as a whole. So clearly, by your own words, you are not a Christian.

            • Rafael

              “Sin is a problem religion created so as to fill a need. It exists to shame people into buying into whatever the preacher is selling. That’s it.”

              Where does The Bible say you have to pay money when you sin? stop it.

              “Calling murder, rape ETC “sin” does not help prevent it. ”

              Duh, that’s what James 2 says, Faith without helping/works is useless, you need both.

              “Truly good people do no need an invisible sky daddy looking over their shoulder to be a good person.”

              Of course, even Bible agrees that you should not do good out of fear(1 John 4:8), but out of Genuine Love(Holy Spirit)

              Morals are from YHWH, so yes you do need Him, if morals are based upon humans then they are subjective, which means rape can be “right”, it can never be right, always wrong, it is objective regardless of human opinion.

              “You’re causing harm, both to the people you’re replying to, and to Christianity’s image as a whole. So clearly, by your own words, you are not a Christian.”

              How am I harming anyone?

              • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

                Where does The Bible say you have to pay money when you sin? stop it.

                Lev 5:15 e.g.

                Although I personally think killing animals as atonement for personal sin is a far more fucked up idea.

          • Greg G.

            Christianity is not a positive moral state as it is a state of pretending to have an invisible friend.

            Murder, rape, and harm are bad things but sin is a theological concept that includes lust, eating shrimp, and having the wrong haircut. Giving the bad things the label of sin does not make sin a real thing.

            • Rafael

              How do you know they pretend?

              “Murder, rape, and harm are bad things but sin is a theological concept that includes lust, eating shrimp, and having the wrong haircut.”

              Nope, Lust was never branded a sin, shrimp, haircuts, etc are found to be Israelite Only Laws from Leviticus, read The Bible, YHWH says,

              Leviticus 11:12 – “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones YOU may eat:”

              This was to Israel, I don’t know where you got it that it was to the whole population, to Gentiles.

              These Laws were for Israelites, so no, they are not a sin.

              And Lust, is Certainly not a sin. http://savedbychrist94.blogspot.com/2013/04/lust-is-not-sin.html

              • Greg G.

                How do you know they pretend?

                Haven’t you ever noticed that invisible friends never actually do anything? It’s all inside the person’s head.

                Nope, Lust was never branded a sin, shrimp, haircuts, etc are found to be Israelite Only Laws from Leviticus, read The Bible, YHWH says,

                Leviticus 11:12 – “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones YOU may eat:”

                This was to Israel, I don’t know where you got it that it was to the whole population, to Gentiles.

                These Laws were for Israelites, so no, they are not a sin.
                And Lust, is Certainly not a sin.

                Your blog analysis ignores the passage before Matthew 5:27-28 where Jesus expands the punishment for murder to being angry and saying “you fool!” The passage following restricts divorce. Jesus was expanding the definition of sin in Matthew 5. The Greek pros can be translated many ways but in light of the preceding and following passages, your interpretation of “in order to” doesn’t work.

                The Epistle to the Galatians rails against the idea that works are as important as faith. The Epistle of James is a direct response to Galatians.

                Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

                Here Paul is using Rabbi Hillel idea that “Love thy neighbor (Deuteronomy 19:18) is the whole of the Law. All the rest is commentary.” Galatians 2 and 5 show that James and Peter were not enforcing circumcision at one point but had begun to insist on it. Paul is so disgusted by it that he wishes they would castrate themselves.

                James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

                James argues against Rabbi Hillel. He says the if anyone breaks any of the laws, they break the whole law. So failure to obey the prohibitions of shrimp, haircuts, mixed-fiber clothing and such are sins for Gentiles, too.

                Can you find an interpretation in some other language that will allow you to pretend there is no contradiction in these two passages?

              • Greg G.

                How do you know they pretend?

                Haven’t you ever noticed that invisible friends never actually do anything? It’s all inside the person’s head.

                Nope, Lust was never branded a sin, shrimp, haircuts, etc are found to be Israelite Only Laws from Leviticus, read The Bible, YHWH says,

                Leviticus 11:12 – “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones YOU may eat:”

                This was to Israel, I don’t know where you got it that it was to the whole population, to Gentiles.

                These Laws were for Israelites, so no, they are not a sin.

                And Lust, is Certainly not a sin.

                Your blog analysis ignores the passage before Matthew 5:27-28 where Jesus expands the punishment for murder to being angry and saying “you fool!” The passage following restricts divorce. Jesus was expanding the definition of sin in Matthew 5. The Greek pros can be translated many ways but in light of the preceding and following passages, your interpretation of “in order to” doesn’t work.

                The Epistle to the Galatians rails against the idea that works are as important as faith. The Epistle of James is a direct response to Galatians.

                Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

                Here Paul is using Rabbi Hillel idea that “Love thy neighbor (Deuteronomy 19:18) is the whole of the Law. All the rest is commentary.” Galatians 2 and 5 show that James and Peter were not enforcing circumcision at one point but had begun to insist on it. Paul is so disgusted by it that he wishes they would castrate themselves.

                James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

                James argues against Rabbi Hillel. He says the if anyone breaks any of the laws, they break the whole law. So failure to obey the prohibitions of shrimp, haircuts, mixed-fiber clothing and such are sins for Gentiles, too.

                Can you find an interpretation in some other language that will allow you to pretend there is no contradiction in these two passages?

      • Rafael

        “Really? So all the talking about needing Jesus to clean your sins, is it all hogwash? ”

        Christians are ALREADY cleaned from sin. sinners are not, Jesus Christ said,

        Mark 2:17 – “And hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

        and John 15:4 – “Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.”

        If you are in Jesus Christ, you do not sin, sinners need to be called to repentance, not those already in Him, because they already repented, they changed, they’re saved.

        “I mean, if True Christians(tm) do not sin, then what’s the point of jesus?”

        What do you mean what’s the point? they do not sin, but to prevent themselves from sinning, they must remain in Him,

        John 15:4 – “Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.””

        “Let me ask you Rafael, how did you place at the World Hypocrisy Games? You are gold medal material. ”

        When did I claim righteousness or boast?

        “You must live a blessed life. You hate sin and sinners,”

        #1, Of course I hate sin, don’t you hate murder, rape, violence, harm, etc? of course, it’s good to hate sin.

        #2 I never said I hate sinners? this is called slander, if I hated sinners, then I’d be a sinner, as hating someone is a sin, we are commanded by YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) to Love our enemies(Matthew 5)

        “but you yourself cannot sin because you are a True Christian(tm).”

        Anyone CAN sin, even Christians, but Christians DO NOT sin out of will, anyone who chooses to sin isn’t Christian. and I never said I was a True Christian, I hope I am saved and hope I am in Christ, always testing myself because of OCD to see if I am in Jesus Christ, as should everyone else.

        “You also get to proclaim who is a christian”

        I didn’t, The Bible did. 1 John 3:5-9

        “thus ensuring that all the riff raff will not stain the reputation of your religion.”

        How does it stain the reputation of Christianity when the pastor did something, Anti-Christian, Anti- Jesus Christ, Anti-YHWH? the guy doing something evil/secular doesn’t damage the reptuation of Christianity, the article SUGGESTING that it does, that The Bible condones is called slander.

        “And on top of everything, you feel that you have to post this monumental fallacy, this world cup level cop out, in a Atheist Blog. As if anyone here could read your asinine and illogical post and actually agree with you.”

        Then those atheist have a presupposition against religious, which is bigoted.”

        To answer your question, what does this have to do with the Bible or God’s existence? Nothing you dufus. Did anyone gave you the opposite impression?”

        The article did, this guy who wrote this is acting as if this is a Christian or that Christianity condones it when it doesn’t.

        “But it has a lot to do with the hypocrisy of Christians and their delusion.”

        That’s the point, Christians are not hypocritical, if someone is a hypocrite, EVEN if they claim to be a Christian, they are not, ACCORDING to the very main source for Christianity, The Bible, as it says,

        1 John 2:4 – “Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands(Love thy neighbor as thyself, Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 22) is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.”

        Basically not a Christian.

        “And almost magically,you end up posting here confirming the hypothesis that some Christians, especially those that let the Bible do their thinking, are a bit soft in the head.”

        Of course we should let The Bible(and not Interpolated Passages, but Authentific Scripture, do not make a fallacy of using “evil” passages which have been proven to be interpolation) do the thinking, because when you have Jesus Christ recorded in The Bible commanding us to Love our Neighor as ourself and society/humanity is unwilling and against this, then of course we need The Holy Spirit to do the thinking, He(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) is The Moral.

        • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

          Bible quotes carry as much weight here as Harry Potter quotes. Less really, because we know who wrote Harry Potter.

          • Rafael

            So they are fiction? Prove it, otherwise no, you cannot compare it to harry potter

            • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

              NO, NO, NO! YOU prove it! If I told you all about how the flying spaghetti monster keeps us all from flying off of the Earth by holding us down with his invisible noodley appendages, you wouldn’t believe me until I proved it to you! It wouldn’t be on you to DIS-prove it! The burden of proof is on those who make unfalsifiable claims, not those who dispute them. Basic philosophy of science. You are the one making unfalsifiable claims here. Prove the bible is true and god exists, then you’ll have something worth saying. Until then, you’re just typing meaningless characters.

        • tsara

          I almost want to call a Poe with this. Seriously, do you even hear yourself? Your last paragraph, especially. I just… Really?

    • RobMcCune

      a Christian does not sin.

      That’s what’s been promised for 2000 year, it’s not what’s been delivered. Also if that were true does that mean John 8:7 gives christians license to throw rocks?

      • Rafael

        A Christian doesn’t sin, if someone sins and calls themself a Christian they aren’t,

        1 John 2:4 – “Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.”

    • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

      A Christian does not sin? Are you kidding me? No true scotsman fallacy to the extreme! You saying that you’ve never sined? You’re jesus reincarnated? Stop being so ridiculous.

      • Rafael

        “A Christian does not sin?”
        ” You saying that you’ve never sined? You’re jesus reincarnated? Stop being so ridiculous.”

        Strawman fallacy, Christians do not sin doesn’t equate to Christians never sinned.

    • Michael W Busch

      You do not get to pull “no true Christian”. That’s a logical fallacy and inadmissible. The only sensible definition of a Christian is “anyone who claims to follow teachings attributed to Jesus of Nazareth, also called Christ”.

      And if “a Christian does not sin”, how do you reconcile that with 1 John 1:8 – “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.” ? A big part of Christianity is how everybody is supposed to be a sinner and in need of saving by the Christian god.

      The truth is simple: there is no such thing as sin. There are good actions and evil actions – Aguilar being so far over towards evil as to approach a moral event horizon.

      • Rafael

        “You do not get to pull “no true Christian”. That’s a logical fallacy and inadmissible. The only sensible definition of a Christian is “anyone who claims to follow teachings attributed to Jesus of Nazareth, also called Christ”.”

        I never said that, of course there’s true Christians, we don’t know who they are.

        The Definition of a Christian doesn’t come from a source other than The Bible, The Bible is the foundation of a Christian, so if you define a Christian you have to do so from where it came from, The Bible, according to The Bible, a Christian doesn’t sin, 1 John 3:5-9

        “And if “a Christian does not sin”, how do you reconcile that with 1 John 1:8 – “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.” ? A big part of Christianity is how everybody is supposed to be a sinner and in need of saving by the Christian god.”

        Read the whole chapter, the context was taken out,

        http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%201&version=NASB

        1 John “5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. KEY ==>6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.<–key 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us."

        Basically if we sinned and SAY we have no sin we lie, but if we CONFESS our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us of our sins, after you've been forgiven you cannot say you have sin, because you are made righteous, righteousness has no sin, the same paragraph says,

        "6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;"

        Then the end says,

        "10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.""

        it says sinned, past tense."A big part of Christianity is how everybody is supposed to be a sinner and in need of saving by the Christian god."

        Everybody meaning adults(Jew and Gentile), not infants or children( http://www.seekgodsword.com/questions/Q435.asp )

        "The truth is simple: there is no such thing as sin."

        So there's no such thing as murder, rape, harm? because those are sins.

        "There are good actions and evil actions"

        Which is basically sin, what is sin? 1 John 3:4 "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness."

        So sin is lawlessness/breaking The Law, What is The Law?

        Matthew 22:"34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, [a]a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and [b]foremost commandment.39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” – Jesus Christ(YHWH)

        Matthew 7:12 "12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." – Jesus Christ(YHWH)

        So basically Sin is breaking The Law, The Law is to Love thy neighbor as thyself and love YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) with all your heart, mind and soul, and do to others what you would have them do to you,

        if you don't do to others as you would have them do to you, you're sinning, you're breaking this law, if you do not do to others as you would have them do to you, you're doing evil.

        Sin is evil.

        • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

          Actually the word christian isn’t from the bible it is a word used by the Romans. Sure it can be found in the bible. Christios is Greek for messiah not a word invented by christians but used by the Romans and the meaning you are using is not the same meaning used back then.

          All the rest of what you are saying is irrelevant to Atheists.

        • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

          A Christian doesn’t sin, 1 John 3:5-9

          I just love cherry picking through the bible, don’t you agree?

          Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.
          1 Kings 8:46… for there is no one who does not sin
          Proverbs 20:9…Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”?

          Here are some for just the sheer joy of picking on you.

          Matthew 5:28 “Anyone who looks at a woman, i.e.Mariah Carey, lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart”.
          Do I have to explain this one?

          Ephesians 4:31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.
          By stating he is not a Christian you are slandering him. This is malicious.

          Proverbs 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
          By stating he is not a Christian you are slandering him this is malicious and I’m sure he would be really mad at you for doing that.

          Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies…
          Have you been hatin’ on the Atheist’s again?

          Luke 6:36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
          Where is your mercy for his plight?

          And last but in no way the least a commandment from your gawd:
          Psalm 1 Blessed is the one, who does not walk, in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take
          or sit in the company of mockers.

          In other-words gawd’s telling you to stop posting on this blog.

    • Carpinions

      Then why do they still need salvation?

      • Rafael

        What do you mean? Christians are already saved and in Jesus Christ, they do not sin, but must remain in Christ(John 15) to prevent themselves from sinning and being secular.

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

      Damn it I step away from my computer for a few hours and somehow this gets slipped in. I say slipped in ‘cus when someone is spewing this much bs there has got to be people slipping in it.

    • http://confessionsfromthepeanutgallery.blogspot.com/ YankeeCynic

      Well, isn’t THAT a convenient escape hatch? Claim that Christianity prevents people from committing sin, then explain away all examples to the contrary by saying that CLEARLY they weren’t true Christians.

      But you totally provided quote to your favorite work of fiction to show that I’m wrong. Object to it being described as fiction? Prove it’s true! Go ahead, I’ll wait. Though in the interest of safety I’ll decline to hold my breath.

      • Rafael

        “Well, isn’t THAT a convenient escape hatch? Claim that Christianity prevents people from committing sin, then explain away all examples to the contrary by saying that CLEARLY they weren’t true Christians.”

        Because they aren’t true Christians, according to The Book of Christianity… The Bible, which we get the definition of a Christian, a Christian doesn’t sin,

        1 John 2:4 – “Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.”

        • http://confessionsfromthepeanutgallery.blogspot.com/ YankeeCynic

          I’m so tempted just to keep replying with links from “your logical fallacy is.”

          Two major issues:

          1) The problem with urban definition is that it is either broken, I’ll-formed, or both. For a start you’ve created a definition that applies to basically nobody on the planet. The thresholds for sin in the Christian worldview are so bloody low that everyone fails to meet your definition of a Christian. That makes the definition both broken and worthless for those who have to use it. As such, a more useful definition would be to just take people at their claims of faith.

          2) I don’t care what your book says. It isn’t infallible (judging by how utterly vile huge sections of it are), so I reject its patently infantile definition. Hell I could play the same game.

          Atheist (n): somebody who doesn’t believe in god or gods and acts in completely moral ways at all times.

          Tada! Stalin and Mao aren’t atheists anymore!

          See how facile that is?

          3) Even if we assumed your definition as true (which I don’t), that doesn’t make sinners atheists, since clearly they believe in god. They just clearly believe it’s a different one. So nice attempt at explaining away dead rot in your community while also taring mine, but you come off as unhinged doing so. probably because you are.

    • Mark W.

      Don’t worry, I’m sure he’ll repent, blame it all on Teh Geys, Hussein O-BAMA, and on them Socialist-CommuNazi Loonie Leftist Liberals. He’ll see the light, get right with God and then he’ll have himself a vision. He’ll be back preachin’ and “earning” his 6 figures soon. Then I guess you can hold him up as a stellar example of a REAL Christian(TM) then.

      • Rafael

        “Don’t worry, I’m sure he’ll repent, blame it all on Teh Geys, Hussein O-BAMA, and on them Socialist-CommuNazi Loonie Leftist Liberals.”

        If someone does that, it’s called slander, which is a sin, as if you sin, you chose to do it, wasn’t anyone else fault but their own.

    • http://absurdlypointless.blogspot.com/ TBJ

      Dude seriously why are you assuming we even understand what psycho-babble you are speaking in? Go take your medication and stop babbling on this blog. Profess your atheism or gtfo, because you are definitely not a christian.

  • Rain

    It’s funny watching news anchors. The way they talk artificially, and the way they act. The way they pretend like they take everything oh so über-seriously. It’s all an act, and it’s freaking hilarious.

  • more compost

    At 9:20, they go to the church to talk to some of the congregants, but no one would talk to them. So at the 9:30 mark, they find a random passerby, and he give a content-free answer.

    That’s some fine reporting.

  • Kurt Johansen

    You guys should give a couple bucks to onyourkneesforjesus4. He puts in a huge amount of time, is creating a vast resource database of videos, and is seriously one of the most in-need-of-money atheist activists I know. If you value his work, chip in $5. It will mean the world to him. Thanks.
    http://onkneesforjesus.blogspot.com/

  • ops angel

    http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/tampostasy-2013

    the war against lies and liars….

    hemant u think u r going to get away with your PERPETUAL BS

  • Carpinions

    Another example of why religion is not only BS (dangerously so in this case), but a complete sham on an ethical level. This guy does nothing but preach nonsense and he lives in a place worth more than double mine. How stupid I am to work my ass off day by day, week by week, while some do-nothing that runs a religious “non-profit” that surely gets government fist-outs blathers idiocy a few days a week and gets revered for it enough to start raping kids?

    This is one of the points that I think Hitchens was brutally right about. As long as society tolerates the healthy payment of shamans for shamanizing, and is fine with giving them deference above and beyond what most of us plebs get on a daily basis, we’ll never be free of superstition. Our meritocratic system deserves an F just for this oversight alone.

    • Rafael

      “Another example of why religion is not only BS”

      How did religion(Specially The Bible) cause the pastor to do what he did?

      ” As long as society tolerates the healthy payment of shamans for shamanizing”

      You’d have to demonstrate it to be a sham.

      If your going to rant about this, you might as well rant about how Schools teach Evolution as if it’s a Fact when One Species has Never been observed to Evolve into a New/Different Species.

      So I agree this government does deserve an F.

  • Zugswang

    It’s sickening that such con artists can get away with this kind of patent exploitation, worse that so many of his followers enabled him to do so, and even worse that so many are actively defending an accused child molester.

    If all of this is true (and it seems likely) I have nothing but contempt for this man, and anyone who attempted to defend, protect, or deceive for him. I can only hope that he will be brought to justice, that his victims will not be harassed by his followers, and that said victims will be able to eventually recover from this trauma.

  • the moother

    I am a sinner and but my only sin is schadenfreude…

  • the moother

    Cue the accusations that his victims are “sluts” and “sinners”… because no man of god has ever abused a child…. EVAR!!!

  • Alan E.

    Being from Richmond, I think the best comment was from the officer that said they were the “best police force on the east coast,” which is a highly laughable claim.


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