Herman Cain: America ‘Was Conceived on Biblical Principles’… Just Look at ‘In God We Trust’ on Our Money!

Remember 2012 GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain?

Of course you remember Herman Cain. Everyone remembers Herman Cain.

Well, that guy has responded to American Atheists’ recent victory in which they were able to donate atheist literature to Georgia state parks since the parks were already allowing in donated Bibles.

Does he support the atheists or oppose them?

It’s hard to tell. He refers to the lawsuit threat as “frivolous” while at the same time arguing that it’s the atheists’ right to place those books in the cabins.

Here’s Cain:

… in a recent case here in Georgia, an atheist named Ed Buckner rented a cabin in a state-owned park and was upset when he found a Bible in the cabin. The Bible had been placed there as a donation of literature by a Christian group. The state had not paid for the Bibles and had not distributed them. But Buckner was still upset, apparently feeling it is not enough for him not to believe in God. He doesn’t want anyone else being persuaded to believe in Him either.

… I’m having a hard time thinking that many people will want to relax on their vacation while reading The Skeptics Annotated Bible, but this is America so the atheists can give it their best shot.

Umm… okay. We will! Thanks for your permission! I think…

Then, Cain goes off on some crazy tangent about how our country is really founded on biblical principles:

But if you want to know the founders’ own attitude toward God and faith, all you have to do is visit Washington D.C. and look at all the buildings with scripture passages inscribed. Or look at our money, which says in no uncertain terms, “In God We Trust.”

Right, just look at “In God We Trust” on our money. A phrase that began appearing on our currency in 1957 in response to the threat of Communism. I can’t remember which Founding Father made that happen. Probably George Washington. Had to be.

Cain also acts like all the founders *loved* Christianity. They didn’t. Some were just Deists. And most who were Christians weren’t the kind of Christians Cain is thinking about.

He continued:

We are a nation under God. Properly applying the Constitution means the graduation speaker who decides to utter a prayer will neither receive the government’s endorsement nor the government’s opposition. It means the group who wants to put Bibles in the state-owned cabin will experience the same neutrality. It means Congress will make no law respecting establishment of religion, but all — including people in government — are free to make clear God has ultimate sovereignty over our nation.

Of course, the courts have said repeatedly that’s the wrong interpretation of the First Amendment. If a school’s administration allows prayer in a graduation speech, that is a form of endorsement — not to mention those administrators would have to allow, in a similar situation, atheists to tell the crowd “God doesn’t exist” and Muslims and Hindus that their God(s) do… that’s just not a door worth opening nor what graduation speeches should be about. (To get around this, Christian groups have started to tell administrators to just take a blind approach to graduation speeches. If they don’t know what’s in the speech, they can’t be held accountable if a prayer magically slips in, right…?)

And politicians have always been free to state their beliefs about God, but the moment they try to legislate them, they’ve gone too far. They shouldn’t be putting those beliefs on government memorials, or passing them through anti-science bills, or voting against LGBT rights for religious reasons.

By the way, Cain is the same guy who once opposed the building of a large mosque on public property in Murfreesboro, Tennessee because it was an “abuse of our freedom of religion.” So much for everyone’s rights.

The man should stick to pizza. At least when he screws that up, no one cares.

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • Glasofruix

    That gif is creepy.

  • skinnercitycyclist

    A minor point, but ‘In God We Trust’ began appearing on coins in 1864.

    This is the problem with the whole “ceremonial deism” hoo-ya. The thought was, I guess, that no reasonable person, seeing “In God We Trust” on money, would take that as a governmental endorsement of religion. It seems clear that we need to revise the definition of “reasonable person” down, as I constantly hear people claim that “this must be a Christian nation because ‘In God We Trust’ is on our money.” Also the thoroughly risible “if you don’t believe in god, how come you continue to use money that says ‘In God We Trust,’ why don’t you stop using money.”

  • Pofarmer

    I get so tired of this shit. I am on an Ag board where people are constantly posting we need to get back to the biblical principles our country was founded on. I finally started correcting them but I’m sure it hasn’t gotten through some thick heads. When I pointed out the money thing, I’m sure it was the first they’d ever heard of it. I wonder how different it would have been if , say, “Origen of species” had been Written before hand? I don’t think people really understand how radically humanist the constitution is, and how much so a very influential group of founders.

  • Pofarmer

    The argument may have been that no reasonable person would see it as an endorsement, but I don’t think that was the actual motivation. I really think that at least some of the founders, Jefferson, Paine, Adams, Franklin for sure, were fed the fuck up with religion.

  • Tina Schmidt

    Herman Cain cracks me up – always has – usually in his, well, it’s rude to say idiocy, but can I say lack of knowledge? Very funny, but definitely not presidential. Perhaps he should read this: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/04/35-founding-father-quotes-conservative-christians-will-hate/

  • Tainda

    Point out the Pledge of Allegiance thing and their heads explode.

  • Tainda

    I won’t say what I think is happening under the camera view

  • Jasper

    I actually sat and watched it for a couple minutes.. like a train wreck that one can’t turn away from, encapsulated in a single smile.

  • allein

    I haven’t finished reading yet but I scrolled down to the comments to say exactly that. *shudder*

  • Jasper

    I’m increasingly of the opinion of “Who cares what the founding fathers thought?”

    They aren’t God. They aren’t messiahs or spiritual leaders. They didn’t establish doctrine. We have have no obligation to follow them like religious followers. Many of them were slave owners, for God’s sake. They were wrong on some things.

    Instead, the question should be, how should we run society, knowing what we know now? A strong case for secularism can be made, regardless of what this group of people, hundreds of years ago, thought.

  • DougI

    This guy was a contender for the Presidency. Of all the millions of Republicans in America a whole lot of people thought he was the top pick. If you’re a Republican you should just hide in shame for being associated with the party of stupid.

  • Bitter Lizard

    Well, to be fair, they only had like ten black Republicans in the country to choose from.

  • Pofarmer

    If hou read ” the age of reason” and “rights of man” they kind of were establishing doctrine, I agree that modern society should run on modern precepts, but the founders are our ally here.

  • Rain

    But if you want to know the founders’ own attitude toward God and faith women and slaves…


    And funny wigs too…

    And funny spelling (conftitution congrefs etc.)…

  • Justin Miyundees

    My sons have been exposed to this pablum that the U.S. is founded on Judeo-Christian values recently in both a U.S. History course and an American Government course here in Jawja.

    I’ve fought that notion for years, but we got to discussing it last night. Genocide, slavery, the subjugation of women… actually, yeah, that sounds pretty Christian. Maybe they’re onto something after all.

    What people should begin to realize is that we’ve slowly been jettisoning the nasty bits of Christianity and working our way through to the humanist values that are the ACTUAL foundation of the U.S.

  • Jasper

    I agree, but my point is that we shouldn’t go with what they said just because they said it. If an idea stands on its own merits, that’s fine.

  • Bitter Lizard

    I agree. The founding fathers were ahead of their time on a lot of things. The First Amendment was an awesome idea and it’s still good today. But those guys would be backwoods hillbillies by 21st century standards. Treating old white men from over two centuries ago like they were omniscient basically excludes the possibility of learning anything in said intervening centuries.

  • allein

    I’m having a hard time thinking that many people will want to relax on their vacation while reading The Skeptics Annotated Bible, but this is America so the atheists can give it their best shot.

    Who goes on vacation and thinks, “Hey, there’s a bible in my drawer! Don’t see those around much anymore…I think I’ll read it while I have the chance!”?

    The thing with the Bibles in the cabins…unless they are renting out all the rooms one by one and leaving Bibles in the drawers while they’re in there, someone representing the state (a park employee) is either putting them in there or giving the group members access to every room to place them there. So I’m not sure it’s entirely accurate to say the state isn’t involved at all with the distribution.

    But if you want to know the founders’ own attitude toward God and faith, all you have to do is visit Washington D.C. and look at all the buildings with scripture passages inscribed.

    Because the Founders built all those buildings themselves?

  • Marisa Totten

    Oddly enough, I think the founders would agree with you. LOL

  • Marisa Totten

    Uz-beki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan. No POTUS needs to know it. :-)

  • Bitter Lizard

    Also probably true. I seriously wonder if these guys would be surprised to see how reverently their words are treated in a country that’s achieved smart phones and space travel.

  • Drew Bentley

    For a little more history, the motto was placed starting with coins largely due to the increased religious sentiment during the Civil War. It was the Mints discretion after Congress approved on what coins it would be placed on, so not all coins were inscribed with the motto.

    It wasn’t until the 1957 that it was required by an Act of Congress that the motto would be included on all currency, coinage and paper, since they officially made it our motto by passing a bill declaring it as such, which they’ve gone on to waste tax payer dollars numerous times since the 50s to reaffirm that “In God We Trust” is our motto with bills introduced. The “E Pluribus Enum” was recognized as our motto previously but was never officially made our motto, which is sad, it’s a much better motto to describe our country.

  • Rain

    founders’ own attitude

    Nitpick: attitudes. Unless maybe they collectively form a holy founders trinity or something.

  • Bitter Lizard

    I seriously wonder if Herman Cain was just punking us all along… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfMBom2sN0

  • Rain

    I don’t think it’s odd at all. I think it’s normal practical common sense.

  • The Other Weirdo

    Founders, unite! Let’s form Foundenity!

    And that’s not even their final form.

  • beatonfam

    Creepiest. GIF. EVER.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    Because our society reached its peak on September 17, 1787. They were as prefect as Jesus himself, who according to famed historian David Barton, signed the constitution himself with his own blood. And that is why I today, out of respect of the founding fathers, avoid electricity, refrigeration, all forms of modern medicine, flush toilets and computers.

  • Pofarmer

    Well, yeah, but we have a procedure for changing things that need to be changed, although the bar is somewhat high sometimes. I don’t think you automatically want to dismiss ideas just because they are old, either.

  • Rain

    Actually come to think of it I wouldn’t be surprised if they do form a Foundenity for legal conceptual purposes for rulings and opinions and precedent and whatnot. IANAL.

  • allein

    You wrote this comment on one of those new-fangled slate tablet thingies, didn’t you?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

    Simple-minded folks like Cain are the reason why we should not ignore the pervasive detrimental effect of “token” ceremonial things like “In God We Trust” on our money, Bibles in national parks, Bible-swearing before giving court testimony, prayers at government meetings, etc.

    We need to strategically counter those issues.

    I favor crossing out the “God” on our currency with a big red marker, until such time as we can get it officially removed.

    Here’s my YouTube video on this: http://youtu.be/EmdQr2mWCnw


  • JaneRenee

    About the old Mosque story – is it legal to allow a religious building on public property? I’m not agreeing with Cain’s reasoning. Just wanting to know the law here for any religious building.

  • GodlessPoutine

    I really need to make more animated gifs for my blog posts. I’m jealous.

  • Gus Snarp

    Exactly. One begins to wonder if the Christian right has confusedly added a few gods to the pantheon….. And lets not forget, the founding fathers strongly disagreed with each other on a lot of things, including religion. They were not a monolithic institution.

    There’s nothing wrong with pointing to the founders on occasion and citing accurate quotations, but it’s important that those quotes not be treated like scripture, but rather as part of a coherent argument that demonstrates why that quote is important and what it contributes to our society.

    That’s a problem with all sorts of quotations people use: they treat it as appeal to authority rather than as appropriately citing someone who made the point well in order to give them credit, or even establishing basic credentials. In short, appeal to founding fathers is a subset of the appeal to authority fallacy.

  • Gus Snarp

    Worth noting for accuracy.

    Of course, most of the founding fathers were still dead by then…

    Or does Lincoln count? How far removed from the founding can one be and still be a founding father? Do we have a definition?

  • Gus

    I was like, wait, I thought I had flash blocked, what’s with the creepy video….Oh wait, that’s just an animated gif! Even creepier! Make it stop!

  • Baby_Raptor

    He took spinning lessons from Faux.

  • LesterBallard

    And some of those Christian Founders would have owned Herman Cain.

  • guest

    Eisenhower and Billy Graham are the 2 people most responsible for making “In Gawd We Trust” our motto. Couple of fundie dimwits.

  • Tom

    Though I’m opposed to founder-worship and feel they could do with a bit more criticism, I think that’s overly harsh – whatever else they were, one can tell that that the founders were keen thinkers. The body of collective knowledge, culture and history that we use as a starting point for our own thoughts has just developed a heck of a lot since then. We may be further ahead in the race, as it were, but that may just be because we started further down the track, not because people in the past were slower. Nevertheless, they are behind us now, in many areas.

  • The Other Weirdo


    Too much information. :)

  • Greg G.

    Next to Bachmann and Perry, Cain didn’t look so stupid. The three of them made Rmoney look like a genius.

  • Greg G.

    I am replying by blowing ash on to a cave wall.

  • Greg G.

    Thank you so much for installing that mental image. I hope we have some brain shampoo left.

  • johnlev

    As a fed employee myself I’ve spend some time down in DC. I can’t ever recall actual biblical passages written anywhere on any of the federal bldgs. Now, I’ve never been in the Capital bldg, the White House or any number of fed bldgs but having been in the Navy, worked for the DoD and other federal depts … never once have I’ve seen religious passages inscribed anywhere on any bldg.

    I have a devout christian friend in my office here that likes to say we’re a “christian nation” and when I ask him where in our founding docs it states that or to show me a single statue of Jesus in the Capital. Usually he points to an inscribed speech in the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorials where the respective statesmen make some passing references to God. Hardly proof I tell him. Then when I point to the Treaty of Tripoly, he usually starts talking about “context” and how the Founders were REALLY just trying to appease muslims, blah, blah, blah.

    The only other real piece of “evidence” he has is the 10 C’s inscriptions on the US Supreme Court doors. I will concede that any reasonable person will think that’s a reference to the 10 C’s out of the bible. My reply is however is that’s not a reference to christianity because 1) in that context, the 10 C’s are representative of a law code. That’s why Moses is depicted w/ other ancient lawgivers and 2) technically they’re a JEWISH law. NOT christian in origins.

    One last note….Can’t remember which but one of the federal bldgs in the National Mall does have Pentagrams inscribed in it. ;)

  • baal

    I thought it captured his essence quite well.

  • Bitter Lizard

    Yeah, I don’t get the impression that we really disagree all that much on this. Guys like Jefferson and Adams were part of the intelligentsia of their day and still got to be president–these days, being an intellectual is a liability for national office and being a flat-out dumbass makes you “relatable”. But I stand by the backwoods hillbilly comment: if magically transported through time, they would find the modern world confusing and scary.

  • Tainda

    I think I have some bleach left over from the human centipede comments yesterday

  • Bitter Lizard

    Seriously, I’m embarrassed that this wasn’t my first thought–a black guy talking about slaveholders like they should be moral authorities for today? FFS.

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    “Who goes on vacation and thinks, “Hey, there’s a bible in my drawer! Don’t see those around much anymore…I think I’ll read it while I have the chance!”?”

    When I’m on vacation and I have to go to the bathroom (having Crohn’s, I spend a lot of time in there), I will sometimes take the Bible in with me if my Kindle is dead or recharging. Gotta have SOMETHING to read, after all. I imagine this is a Gideon Bible’s most common use– as a bathroom book. Which makes me think of that “Seinfeld” episode and causes me to snicker every time I see one in a hotel room.

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    Scary but true.

  • allein

    Sorry, I contributed to that one…

  • Spuddie

    Proving once more why Herman Cain was deemed too stupid for national office, BY HIS OWN PARTY.

  • Patricia Dawe

    Geez, I’m from Canada and know the difference of that! History lessons please!

  • Timmah

    But surely the Bible says such a thing is highly immoral! AHHHHHHH I kid. Of course it tells you it’s perfectly OK.

  • Spuddie

    That’s a problem with all sorts of quotations people use: they treat it
    as appeal to authority rather than as appropriately citing someone who
    made the point well in order to give them credit, or even establishing
    basic credentials. In short, appeal to founding fathers is a subset of
    the appeal to authority fallacy.

    Even worse with the quotations used is that a good deal of them are fictitious crap David Barton and his evil minions dredged up. Its one thing to appeal to authority, its another to make shit up and pretend it is an appeal to authority.

  • Spuddie

    You have fire? You are lucky.

    I am still waiting for it to be installed. The service carrier said they will be there between when the sun goes up and when it goes down.

  • Spuddie

    It all went downhill by the time of Andrew Jackson. The proto-hillbilly president.

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    It’s not official, but there seems to be a consensus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

  • Spuddie

    What makes it worse is most of the time when some idiot is claiming the founders said…., it is usually a fictitious quote from one of those Wallbuilders liars. Anton Scalia being the exception, he does his dishonest quotemining from original sources.

  • Spuddie

    Eisenhower was not a fundie, but he was a doormat for the far right.

  • velveteenRabbit

    Jefferson himself felt the constitution should be re-written every few generations, not wanting the people of the future to beheld thrall to the ghosts of the past.

  • velveteenRabbit

    sometimes I wonder if Romney planned it that way… :D

  • baal

    Justice Thomas seems hostile to the 13-15th amendments from time to time. I always wonder if he fully realizes that when he does that, he seems to be yearning to be enslaved.

  • Lagerbaer

    “Or look at our money, which says in no uncertain terms, “In God We Trust.””

    See? This is why many atheists do make a fuss about those terms on the money. If America was a secular nation in all other aspects, then I am certain the “In God We Trust” would be deemed an antiquity that doesn’t do much harm. Yet it is constantly used as a cudgel to hammer down this message: That America is a Christian Nation goddammit.

  • Milos Cakovan

    Damnit, Hemant! Warn us that the banner of Cain is a GIF. I thought I was losing my mind when he smiled at me.

  • Mackinz

    He’s too busy being one of the most corrupt judges of all US History to care about silly things called facts.

  • Artor

    It wasn’t public property. The land was privately owned, but it was only 3 or 4 blocks away from the WTC site, which is apparently too close to “Ground Zero.”

  • JA

    “In God We Trust” first appeared on money in either 1862 or 1863 when the 2 cent coin was introduced. IIRC the Roosevelt dime was the last piece of currency to get the motto.

  • allein

    The creepiest part is it sneaks up on you. I didn’t realize it was moving and then I thought my eyes were just playing tricks on me and then I realized…AAAAGGGHHH!

  • JaneRenee

    Ah ok. This article is a bit misleading, then. Thanks for the clarification! I remember that story now.

  • allein

    The mosque this post mentions is in Tennessee; though I skimmed a couple articles about it and I don’t see anything about it being on public property. According to the wiki article, “ICM purchased an area of undeveloped land at the intersection of Bradyville Pike and Veals Road on the outskirts of Murfreesboro”…I’m guessing maybe they purchased a piece of vacant land from the city, but as far as I can tell, it seems they did own the land when they built their facility. It’s not like they built in the middle of a public park or something.


  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    What, Frothy doesn’t even make the cut?

  • JaneRenee

    Oh, I forgot about the location mentioned in this article. I should have slept more last night. Thanks!

  • JET

    Perhaps this is why they provided a silly little thing called an “Amendment.”

  • Lori F

    I thought that Both “In God We Trust” on and the “Under God” of the pledge came in because of McCarthy.
    But I agree, E Pluberus Unim (spelling, I know), is a much better motto for the US anyway. Out of Many, One. [of course, it works smashingly for the penny]

  • Stev84

    America has very much a civic religion. With rituals like flag worship and prayers to the flag being absolutely required. Everyone who doesn’t knuckle under and follows the prescribed rituals will be declared a heretic and persecuted. The founding fathers are indeed the prophets of that civic religion.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

    Get out of America you communist Muslim scum.

  • Bitter Lizard

    Why do we have to wait until 2015 for Republican presidential primaries? I want them nooooooow.

  • Greg G.

    Do you realize how hard it was to erase him from my memory? Now you had to go and remind me of him. <8o)

  • JET

    Funny, back in the pre-internet days, it was the writings of Jefferson, Paine and friends that turned me into an adamant secularist and got me thinking about the absurdity of religion in general. Did I miss something?

  • Oranje

    1864 was the first year of the 2-cent piece, when the shortage of gold and silver coinage reached epidemic proportions. If I remember correctly, a minister appealed to the Mint Director, during the Civil War, that we needed something positive.

  • C.L. Honeycutt

    Then the gif reaches the end and he snaps from a growing smile to a stony stare, making the creepiness shoot up by a factor of infinity.

  • Spuddie

    The problem was that you read their works in context and from legitimate sources. No fun in that. =)

  • C.L. Honeycutt

    It’s the only reality show worth watching after the first season!

  • C.L. Honeycutt

    And of course don’t forget to mention that it was created by a socialist ideologue for the express purpose of indoctrinating children and habituating them to obey orders from governmental authority figures, and that Nazi Germany thought it was such a great idea that they stole it from us.

  • onamission5

    So glad I am not the only one who thought they were seeing things at first. Stop fucking with my head, creepy face gif!

  • allein

    I just looked at it again and it still freaks me out.

  • Rain

    Well I’ve seen lawyers on TV (back when there used to be TV) arguing before the court what “The Founders™” would do. WWTFD.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003194979553 Leiningen’s Ants

    Oh hee hee, I had totally forgotten about Uzbekibekistanstan.

  • viaten

    Did the service carrier tell you that by smoke signal or drums?

  • Spuddie

    Yelling from really long distances. We don’t have smoke signal or drum service yet in my area.

  • viaten

    I’d like to see Americans follow in the spirit of the founding fathers and think about how to make things work for the best of everyone overall, rather than say things like “That’s not what they intended, would have wanted, had in mind, would approve of, etc”, as if we have to be accountable to them in some way.

  • Brian

    Christians have such a hard time understanding what “ENDORSEMENT” means. I think that they think it must mean that “endorsement” means the government puts a sticker on ever Bible saying “This Bible is approved by your elected Government” or something.

  • Itarion

    A very slight point, but I think some clarification might be necessary about the “In God We Trust” thing. Technically, it appeared on money before the Soviet Red Scare, but only on coins, beginning during the Civil War. However, the Cold War *was* when it rose to prominence, began being put on paper bills, and became the legal motto of the US.


  • 3lemenope

    The only really good reason to pay attention to what the Founders intended is Chesterton’s Fence.

    tl;dr: “Never take a fence down until you know why it was put up.”

  • LesterBallard

    Is it racist to think of Herman Cain as Samuel L. Jackson’s character in D’Jango Unchained?

  • stop2wonder

    Hemant, I agree with you on most things, but here you are way off base…

    I care when my pizza is screwed up.

  • Bitter Lizard

    Dude–it’s racist NOT to.

  • http://lady-die.deviantart.com/ LizzyJessie

    I think you may have missed on the writings of David Barton. His collection includes a lot of alternate history fiction.

  • islandbrewer

    Um, … *goes to the bookshelf and checks the bible just to make sure*


  • islandbrewer

    The Founders were a hive mind, of course.

  • Mario Strada

    so do I. Just ask every waiter I have ever ordered pizza from.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    It’s like a cross between a Psychotic Smirk and a Slasher Smile

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    “Nazi Germany thought it was such a great idea that they stole it from us.”

    …I had no idea.

  • Strandwolf

    I wouldn’t necessarily consider HC to be simple-minded: toward the end of his presidential campaign enough mistresses stepped forward to refute his claim that he respected the vow of marital fidelity to his long suffering mate, that one could conclude that he was quite adept at operating on a complicated schedule. It was amusing to watch him try to hold his campaign together with an ever-dwindling group of rallyers to his, well i admit it, demented cause. They seemed to be primarily white southern tea-party types, which engendered another startling hypothesis: there are people dumber than racists.

  • JA

    Eh, I was close enough.

  • Digital Liberty

    Notice where all the points of contention are? Government run schools, government owned land, government owned cabins, government funded hospitals, government issued money, etc. Religion isn’t the only problem here.

  • Lurker111

    Often those bibles have interesting telephone numbers written in the margins, especially for lonely travelers.

    Or so I hear.

  • CommentMaker

    You mentioned graduation speeches. I think the graduate who has the greatest achievement and gives the speech should have the freedom to say and do what he/she wishes. Anyone who condemns them should be dismissed, be it atheist, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or any other. Restricting speeches for neutrality sake is wrong. If your value system has brought you where you are, it is an accomplishment and should be recognized. It is a healthy competition that encourages others to succeed, not condemnation of anyone’s belief system.

    Regarding the Bible in the rented room. I do not like certain magazines either, but they happen to be in the room sometimes. Magazines are filled with opinion, beliefs and recommendations. Do I demand my Food network, Cuisine and Louisiana Cookin magazines? No! I think they should put whatever they want in the room. Just do your approach like the Gideon’s did without condemning them or whining to get your way. The Gideon’s simply asked and it grew from there. Maybe you can interest hotels to set up their rooms for each clients belief system. That may go over if there is enough supply and demand.

  • SeekerLancer

    Silly Hemant, everyone knows America was REALLY founded in the 1950′s as a weapon to defend against godless communists.

  • closetatheist

    Am I the only person who noticed that the article about “In God we Trust” appearing on US currency actually states that the motto began being printed in 1864? It simply became the official motto of the US in 1957…that seems like an important distinction to me and I’m actually more upset that Congress continues to affirm this as our nation catch-phrase.

  • Tobias2772

    I agree with your sentiment. The Founding Fathers were not super-human and we should continue to examine their precepts for validity in today’s world, but they got separation of church and state right and I am more than willing to use their cache to keep it right. I trust them far more than I do the people of today to maintain our secular government and to keep pushing for it to be better.

  • Jesusdoppelganger

    There is that silly thing called the Constitution. And given that it’s not exceptionally wordy, it doesn’t cover ever point of law. Hence, the founders’ intent is vital to interpreting the document.

    Ideally the Constitution should create jus the sort of society you describe.