How Does Faith Impact African-American Communities?

Jeremiah Camara is an author and filmmaker whose latest project, a documentary called Contradiction, explores the impact faith has had on African-American communities:

Contradiction explores the paradox of an abundance of churches coupled with the great number of societal ailments in Black communities and seeks to find if there is a correlation between high praise and low productivity. Camara talks to the faithful and the faithless to determine the empirical benefits of prayer, worship and religious loyalty.

I asked Camara to tell me more about the film and what inspired him to make it. This is what he said (via email):

There is a peculiar consistency that one cannot help but notice when riding through predominately African American neighborhoods in most major cities in the U.S. Black communities are typically saturated with churches. More often than not, the abundance of churches co-exists in the midst of impoverishment, despondency and deprivation on countless levels. The question then, becomes, if the presence of God allegedly dwells within these “holy” facilities, why are the surrounding areas laden with so many societal issues? If God answers all things (according to the Bible) and if praise, worship, belief and love for God are prerequisites to prosperity, then why are Blacks, as a collective, in such an unprosperous position? Can there possibly be a connection between high-praise and low-productivity? This analysis is the crux of the film.

One cannot deny the historical value of belief and deep faith in the narrative of Black life in America but the tradition of using prayer as a first-line of defense and relying upon supernatural intervention to solve problems in an age of information reflects a people that are operating outside of the context of a modern paradigm. There was a time where the only place that Blacks could turn to was the institution of the church. However, it was not the inherent properties of religion that helped Blacks gain various ground in America but religion’s ability to unite people in fighting a common cause. Understandably, the church is like an old friend that has served Blacks well throughout times when nothing else did. But, despite this legacy there comes a time when Blacks must be open to meeting new friends such as the “institution” of logic, reason and freethinking. Perhaps the most insidiously devastating generational hand-me-down proposal in African American culture is when we were advised to “Lay our burdens in the lap of Jesus and told that God will provide all of our needs.” Literal adherence to this biblical axiom has not only helped to hinder our will to be self-reliant but it has also created a state of dependency upon divine intervention unparalleled in most other groups.

One of the main objectives when creating the film was to present the information with a spirit of respect; not being condemnatory towards anyone’s beliefs. I think we accomplished that. Despite this respectful approach, there is no doubt that many viewers will feel the discomfort of cognitive dissonance. I think Contradiction is an important film because it creates a historical and cultural context to better understand the effects of religion in modern society. Contradiction forces us to confront many nonsensical aspects about our beliefs while challenging our assumptions and fostering a long overdue dialogue about faith.

The movie will hopefully be in theaters (and elsewhere) in the future. If you’d like to stay updated on its progress, Like the Facebook page!

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

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    • CommentMaker

      If you are a black Christian, you have done the right thing. The majority of whites have apologized and asked for forgiveness. It is at that point where racism can cease. The Rev. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jesse Jackson do not promote forgiveness and their religion is wrong. See Matthew 6:15.

      • Carmelita Spats

        Their religion? You mean their Christianity? Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson ARE Christians…Oh, wait, you need a retake of a Slim Shady tune…”Cause I’m the real Christian, yes I’m the real Christian, all you other “real Christians” are just imitating, so won’t the real Christian please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.” LOL!!!

        See Matthew 7:1 and Slim Shady:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5DXBBLuKxQ

        • CommentMaker

          You are not Christian to know if Jesse and Al are Christian. It revolves around Matthew 6:15 that you will not read.

          • RobMcCune

            You seem really unforgiving about what you think are Jackson’s and Sharpton’s sins, you shouldn’t be. In fact I think there’s a passage in the bible somewhere that condemns what you are doing.

            • C.L. Honeycutt

              S’okay, he can just blast that passage out with the eyebeams Jesus gave him, per Luke 6:42.

              • CommentMaker

                Find a better verse that fits.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  A verse that describes hypocrisy suits you perfectly, Boobhat. You’re doing what you complain about others allegedly doing.

                  How about the verse a few comments up that you conveniently ignored, False Christian?

                • Terance Coleman

                  your book says its ok to rape fuck outta here with that shit.

            • CommentMaker

              Jackson and Sharpton promote unforgiveness. That goes against Matthew 6:15

              • racistblackman

                you keep reciting the same stuff about al sharpton and jesse jackson you racist snow man, yes i am racist, you pricks always coming to our videos and pages with your bs telling us what yall think, who give a damn what yall think,this issue is dealing with african americans not european americans when we want yall we will call yall until than get a fucking life and stop stalking us!

          • allein

            In other words, CommentMaker is the only one here who is qualified to say who is and is not a Christian.

          • C.L. Honeycutt

            “Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?”

            OOPS

            Smexy Ears, literally dozens of people here are more familiar with the Bible, in context, than you are. You’ve been told this. Why do you not read?

            If you paid attention, you’d know how ignorant and hypocritical it is to bring up Matthew 6 around here to try to make points against others for not being REAL Christians. Even those here who don’t know the Bible are familiar with that particular digit. Wanna guess why, No True Christian?

          • racistblackman

            fuck matthew 6:15 and your delusional mind state, al sharpton and jesse jackson is not the spokesmen for the african american community they are caucasian paid infiltrators and actors dumb ass, why dont you tell fat ass rush pigbum to die from a stroke and heart attack already, matter fact who invited your snowman ass in this conversation? this isnt dealing with snowmen this is dealing with blacks, i swear i hate you snowmen with a passion

      • smrnda

        The majority of whites? The majority of white people seem happy to benefit from structural inequality and just because you declare that you don’t hate a minority group, doesn’t mean that you aren’t behaving in a racist fashion all the time. Racism isn’t necessarily conscious, and not a lot of people really want to examine their behavior and thoughts for unconscious racial biases.

        • CommentMaker

          Racism is judging a group based upon who they think they are. I have lived with blacks and know their customs. Blacks think differently based upon how they are educated by their pastors and government officials. We would be further along in race relations if Jesse and Al were eliminated from public view.

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            Whoa. Denying he is racist and then confirming that he is all in one short paragraph. Folks, we have a winner!

            • CommentMaker

              You define it your way. That is sad. I thought atheist were well educated. Not, and you prove it.

              • Anat

                Quoting: I have lived with blacks and know their customs. Blacks think
                differently based upon how they are educated by their pastors and
                government officials.

                These are racist statements. Believing your limited experience means you know enough about a certain group to derive such blanket conclusions, believing such a large group is so lacking in internal diversity and individuality that you can make such blanket statements about its members, thinking so little about the intellectual capabilities of a racial group – those are all racist ways of thinking.

                • UWIR

                  If you read it in the least charitable interpretation, he is saying that there are different ways of thinking, such that every black person thinks that way. But another reading of it is that there are some ways of thinking that are statistically more prevalent among black people. Accusations of racism should not be based on the least charitable interpretation of someone’s statements.

                • CommentMaker

                  That is the problem with society. They, and you, define racism and point fingers at those who see the difference between the races. Go ahead and do what you want. I know differently. I love the blacks, hispanics and others. I know my limits with each of them and their limits with me. We get along well as long as we spend a small amount of time together. Same with atheist.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  “You have an anger problem and live in misery. I would not want to be like you in any form. Your face will soon take on features of your anger. I feel sorry for anyone you shack up with or marry.”
                  -Commentmaker

                  Yeah, your ability to get along with others is well documented, Boobhat.

                • Monika Jankun-Kelly

                  He loves us! Really he does. He just doesn’t want to be around us. Odd, I tend to want to be around the people I love.

              • DavidMHart

                Well, part of the problem is that ‘racism’ isn’t a single thing. There’s outright, conscious hostility against people from another racial group – obviously if you’re wearing a white hood you’re probably the sort of person who actively wants black people to live as second-class citizens (or, in the worst cases, aren’t entirely happy about them living at all).

                But there’s also indifference to the obvious racial disparities around you – even if you don’t actively advocate making life extra-crappy for a particular group of people, if you see that in fact life does deal them a bad hand, on average, through no fault of their own, and you don’t speak up about that, then you are still perpetuating racial disparity.

                And most insidious of all, there are implicit biases – that is to say, even if you are entirely on board with full equality on an intellectual level, you will still harbour some negative associations about distrusted minority groups without being aware of it. This also perpetuates racial equality if we do not make ourselves aware of our implicit biases and do our best to correct for them.

                Jay Smooth lays out for your edification the dental hygiene paradigm of race discourse. Well worth watching.

                • CommentMaker

                  Based upon experience, I would say that I have a better understanding of the racist issue. You have to experience living with other races to know if it is racism or simply knowing that other races have a different heritage than you do. It has nothing to do with prejudice when you know how other races live and how it differs from your own race.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  You have to experience living with other races to know if it is racism

                  You do know how the victims of crimes don’t get to investigate matters, interview people, or select the punishments for the offenders because they’re too close to matters to accurately assess the situation, don’t you?

          • C.L. Honeycutt

            The arrogance here is astounding. You’re claiming that your anecdotal experience proves anything you want to say.

            Given how you’ve acted here before, I don’t believe you’ve even had that anecdotal experience. I believe you have talked yourself into believing it was what you want it to be.

          • smrnda

            So, you’re taking your own limited personal experience and then deciding that you can generalize from that about an entire population of people?

            I also grew up in a majority Black area despite being white, and I wouldn’t suggest that Black people are some monolithic group where everyone is the same. I also grew up in Shanghai as well, so I have some experience living with ‘other races.’ What you’re displaying is what is called the ‘outgroup homogeneity bias’ in social psychology. It’s easy to take a cursory glance, notice some differences, and then make sweeping generalizations.

            On forgiveness, I think the whole Christian concept is a scam and a ‘get out of jail free card’ that makes the victims into the villains.

            • CommentMaker

              It is not limited when it is a full 15 years. You simply do not know southern blacks.

              Forgiveness is God’s principle and since He forgave us He requires us to forgive. Seems that is the right thing to do.

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                I’ve been among Southern blacks for 39 years. My anecdotes are therefore more powerful than yours, and in mine, they’ve said that people who speak like you do are offensive.

                This is YOUR OWN LOGIC, by the way.

                As a matter of fact, one such person has specifically said to me within the last hour that you, Commentmaker, are being offensive to black people.

      • C.L. Honeycutt

        If you are a black Christian, you have done the right thing.

        A religion whose tenets could once be used to argue that slavery is moral could be used so again. William Lane Craig’s Biblical defense of genocide and infanticide applies equally to slavery, and he has a hell of a lot of people listening to him.

        The majority of whites have apologized and asked for forgiveness.

        No, they have not. You made this up. It’s absurd, and misses the point so completely that it barely even manages to avoid being a non sequitur.

        The Rev. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jesse Jackson do not promote forgiveness and their religion is wrong.

        Citation needed, and irrelevant, as nobody was talking about them or anyone like them.

        • CommentMaker

          The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) has made a public apology. They have a black president now who has been reelected this year. I have not seen a black acknowledgement of forgiveness, however, whites have made the appeal.

          • allein

            The SBC is “the majority of whites”?

          • C.L. Honeycutt

            The SBC isn’t even a large minority, nor does it speak for all Baptists, even those whose churches belong to it.

            I have not seen a black acknowledgement of forgiveness

            You give yourself away by treating “blacks” as some monolithic bloc and by insinuating that said bloc is being ungracious.

            And again, you miss the point. Most people living today do not owe a blanket race apology. Racial healing does not work like that. You’re setting arbitrary standards that you expect victims to adhere to in order to live up to your standards.

            • CommentMaker

              “Racial healing does not work like that.”

              So you bare the truth here. Based upon reason? logic? No, no, no. I need to see the facts, the test and the proof. There is none from your side of the isle. Besides, atheists blogs are full of mockery, hate and fowl logic toward Christianity in 99% of its comments. It is all the Christian’s fault. The comment stream leans more like a supremacist group.

  • Spuddie

    I usually hate cut and paste quote posts but it seemed appropriate and I left the link to the original work where I got them from. if you want to save yourself the trouble of long text(Unlike quote miners)

    http://www.chicagonow.com/an-agnostic-in-wheaton/2012/06/black-atheists-break-one-more-set-of-chains/
    “Christianity didn’t spread through the Americas with the love of Jesus.
    It spread through the bloody sword of Spain and the European settlers
    and slave traders.:

    Quotes by African American free thinkers:

    As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of religion.” – Butterfly McQueen

    “Salvation for a race, nation or class must come from within.” – A. Phillip Randolph

    “Gods always behave like the people who make them.” – Zora Neale Hurston

    “being in the pulpit, was like being in the theatre; I was behind the
    scenes and knew how the illusion worked.” – James A. Baldwin

    “It is very nearly impossible… to become an educated person in a
    country so distrustful of the independent mind.” – James A. Baldwin

    “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.” – Neil deGrasse Tyson

    “The more I learn about the universe, the less convinced I am that
    there’s any sort of benevolent force that has anything to do with it, at
    all.” – Neil deGrasse Tyson

    “The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression.” – W. E. B. Du Bois

    “Men can starve from a lack of self-realization as much as they can from a lack of bread.” – Richard Wright

    “I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs.” – Frederick Douglass

    “I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the
    ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
    abhorrence.” – Frederick Douglass

    “No person is your friend who demands your silence, or denies your right to grow.” – Alice Walker

  • CommentMaker

    Jeremiah Camara said, “More often than not, the abundance of churches co-exists in the midst of impoverishment, despondency and deprivation on countless levels.”

    I was raised in the South among the blacks in the neighborhoods that were already turning black. The white churches began to dwindle in membership as people began to move out of these neighborhoods further into the countryside, building new churches. The neighborhoods became trashed and so did the churches. I know of 20 churches that succummed to that same fate and can take you to each one. I do not know why, exactly, but I refuse to think that it is that way because God doesn’t answer their prayers. God is not a genie in a bottle. He has given men principles to live by that produce a healthy lifestyle. Here is one good principle, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

    • Makoto

      You could go ahead and list a few. Wouldn’t even have to take anyone to them, but we could find out for ourselves their history.

      • CommentMaker

        Loyalty Baptist Church
        Melrose Baptist Church
        East Tex Baptist Church
        Hibbard Memorial Baptist Church
        Glenrose Baptist Church
        Bethany Baptist Church
        Doverside Baptist Church

        All of these were on the northeast side of Houston. The rest of them are in the same area and the names are not easily remembered. Most have changed names to like, Greater Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church. BTW, the North Forest ISD was mainly white when I was in the school district in 1970. Last year, Houston ISD had to take over the school district due to corruption and poor grades. It was an all black administration gone wild and God didn’t have anything to do with it.

    • Edmond

      Many people, including many Christians, appear to be living very healthy lifestyles WITHOUT following the principles of the Bible. Many people who DO live according the principles of the Bible nevertheless live in abject poverty or disease. I see no connection that guarantees a healty lifestyle, just from living according to biblical principles.

      The LAST thing I would call a principle to live by, is the belief that people DESERVE eternal burning torture, simply because they haven’t been able to convince themselves that magic is real, or because they were born into a different culture and raised with a different religion. It’s hard to get behind the “principle” of infinite torture as a fitting punishment for holding diverse beliefs. Watching mega-church preachers get richer, or watching African children starve (or be hacked to death under accusations of witchcraft) does very little to build confidence in these principles.

      As an atheist, I’ve come up with my OWN principles to live by, and they include living kindly, cooperatively, and with the respect for the freedom of others. The Bible says “Thou shalt not kill”, and about 5 minutes after that God is checking off his list of people that may be killed. I say a better principle is “Thou shalt not HARM”, and I don’t need to make exceptions for gay people, disobedient children, or Amalekites. I can’t understand why the Bible didn’t say “harm” instead of “kill” in the first place.
      Yet apparently, living the best life I can with the consideration of others kept in mind, will do nothing to save me from the endless fiery agony which I obviously deserve. The principles of Christianity seem to say that the universe cannot be a perfectly happy place, until I am writhing in pain and suffering for all time.
      Sorry, but I have to doubt ANY principles which originate with that mindset. Punishment, especially such harsh and irreversable punishment, should only be applied to REAL CRIMES, not to “thought crimes” about reaching a different conclusion about the nature of reality. If there were a god, I could never worship it while it has such distorted sense of justice.

      • Lurker111

        “Thou shalt not HARM” is pretty close to the principle that I’ve distilled out of the many shall’s and shan’t’s, and from what I’ve learned of life: “The infliction of unnecessary pain is evil.”

      • CommentMaker

        Live the life you want. With God, He requires holiness. That is only obtained through His Son, Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross. I see that you understand that. If you refuse God’s grace you will simply have to accept the alternative. Have a nice life.

        • islandbrewer

          As I told another christian internet witnesser, you believe god will condemn me for not doing something I am incapable of doing.

          I can’t believe in god. I can’t choose my beliefs. I don’t choose to believe that gravity is always going to go towards the center of the earth, I just do. I can’t choose to believe that I’m going to spontaneously plummet to the ceiling.

          I can’t choose to sincerely believe in the existence of leprechauns, Bigfoot, or Ganesh. And I can’t choose to believe in a giant invisible magic man in the sky. I can’t. Belief doesn’t work that way.

          And you believe that your god is going to condemn me for not believing in him, which, as I said, I can’t do, anymore than I can sprout wings and fly.

          CommentMaker, if you respond to this post, please just answer me this one question. Why is a god that would send me to an eternity in hell for not doing something I simply can’t do be anything other than evil?

          • CommentMaker

            You’re right, islandbrewer, man cannot believe on his own. The faith it takes to believe is a gift from God and He initiates it. However, the harlot that hid the spies was not killed but given a place to live after the battle of Jericho. She knew of the coming bloodbath and wanted her family saved and received it by her act of faith by hiding the spies.

            • allein

              So we get punished for something that God deliberately witholds from us. That makes him even worse.

              • CommentMaker

                First, you do not believe in God or hell. Second, if God was like you described, you would be foolish to shake your fist in His face since He is the one who makes the final judgement. Third, It does not matter to me if you say things against Him because I’ve heard it over and over like a broken record. There is nothing new in the atheist dictionary.

                • allein

                  No, I don’t believe that God exists. That’s irrelevant to my comment. islandbrewer pointed out that it is not possible to will ourselves to believe something that seems unbelievable and if there is a God who would punish us for that, he is evil. Your response is that the belief comes from God himself. So if we don’t believe, it is because God himself chooses not to let us. If he then punishes us for that, he is even more evil than in the first scenario, because he is actively making us non-believers and then condemning us for it. The whole thing is a hypothetical and it doesn’t matter to the argument whether we actually believe in God or hell. Hence the word, “if.”

                  And you may be right, if this evil God exists, it would be foolish to “shake our fists” at him; however, if I had a reason to believe that this God exists, I would be a believer, now wouldn’t I? I’m not “shaking my fist” at him, I just don’t believe he’s there. I don’t go around being mad at a nonexistent god all the time. You seem to think we are railing against God in our comments; we are not. We are simply responding to your own words. You say “God is XYZ” and we follow that to its logical conclusion. If God would punish us for not believing when by your own description he is the cause of our nonbelief, then he would be evil. We don’t have to be harboring some latent belief in him to recognize that.

    • UWIR

      “Here is one good principle, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.””

      That sounds like secular humanism to me. There’s nothing uniquely religious about treating other people well. If one’s religion just says to treat people well, then one might as be a secular humanist. The only thing religion has that is absent from secular humanism is putting the whims of an imaginary being ahead of actual human beings. Putting gay people in jail isn’t treating other people how you’d like to be treated.

      • CommentMaker

        You guys always want to take the credit for what God says. Typical.

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          The Golden Rule was found in Confucianism, Vedic Brahmanism, Buddhism, and even Egyptian writings well before Christianity existed. In each of these, it was presented as secular philosophy.

          Turns out that reading is good for you.

        • Hat Stealer

          Yeah, I was totally plagiarizing when I suggested we stone all the gays.

  • gg

    …and then they have the con-men prosperity gospels, there to fleece any penny left over, all in the name of Jeebus.

  • gg

    It truly sickens me to see the amount of money wasted on religion and ministers that could/should be used to help the poor instead.

    • CommentMaker

      Religion helps the poor. You deny it and that is sad.

      • Anathema

        Some religious institutions help the poor. But some religious institutions also exploit the poor. Religion is not universally good for those in poverty by an stretch of the imagination.

        • CommentMaker

          98% help the poor. That isn’t bad stats.

          • C.L. Honeycutt

            Over 300 million Americans “help the poor”? Interesting notion of math you have there.

            • CommentMaker

              I was not talking about Americans, I was talking about religion. Your numbers are way off. That is how much you listen to come to your conclusions.

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                If you’d write more comprehensibly and get rid of those distractingly sexy ears, maybe then I would understand.

                You could write, say, as clearly as you did when you said this:

                You have an anger problem and live in misery. I would not want to be like you in any form. Your face will soon take on features of your anger. I feel sorry for anyone you shack up with or marry.

                Your venom and unChristian hate are clear; why are your arguments so clouded?

          • Anathema

            How did you arrive at that conclusion? Do you have a study that says that the net effect of 98% of religious institutions is beneficial to the poor? Or did you just pull that number out of your ass?

          • Randay

            To help keep them poor. Where did you draw that stat from? Xian eligious institutions, and others, generally side with the rich. That was the case in Europe for centuries and in the Americas when they were brought here.

            Almost all of the Catholic hierarchy in Latin America supported the dictators and torturers. The Vatican punished the few that didn’t and who actually tried to help the poor.

            • CommentMaker

              I never said, “To help keep them poor.” That is the Democrat goal. A portion of every dollar given by Christians goes to helping the poor.

              You are stuck in the past and judge religion by their mix of superstition and faith as they were growing. I cannot speak to the Catholic Church.

              • Sam Black

                “A portion of every dollar given by Christians goes to helping the poor.”

                Interesting claim. Do you have a citation?

                If your claim is supported by the evidence, wouldn’t the poor be better served by receiving 100% of the dollar donated by a Christian? How do church organizations justify skimming from the donations and taking those funds from the poor?

                • CommentMaker

                  Our church gives about 12% of its budget to foreign missions which cloth, feed and educate the poor. We also have a fund that designated offerings go to that help the poor in the local area. 100% of that money goes to help the poor. We also have a fund that assist those within the church and we have people who personally assist others. When I lost my job a couple gave us $1,500 for groceries and for personal use.

                  Your assumptions are based upon singular events that have occurred, however, attributing them to every church does not support reasoning or logic or evidence. That is what most here use as facts.

                • Sam Black

                  Well, that information covers those “christians” that attend your church. Now how about citations for every christian donation not made through your church. You’ve stated it well, that “attributing them to every church does not support reasoning or logic or evidence.” You see how that works, right?

                  I would also note that if your church is utilizing those donations as an opportunity for proselytizing then they aren’t fully charitable donations. Your church is exchanging their donations for access to the attention of those it wishes to preach to. That’s not a fully charitable act since your church is receiving something it values in exchange for the donations. I wonder if that’s what Jesus would do…? (I mean if he had actually existed and was actually god in the form of the son of god.)

                • CommentMaker

                  We are only propagating the “good news”. Atheist can do the same thing but they do not. We have been giving since the 1930′s to help poor people eat, have clothing and are educated. If we tell them about God that is our prerogative. Get with it if you plan on catching up. NO. You simply want to spend your money on lawsuits that eliminate manger scenes from government property while poor people starve. Great testimony for the atheist.

  • smrnda

    One problem with too many churches is too small a tax base.

  • antfaber

    Someone (I forget who) pointed out that churches were the only African-American institutions that the powers that be didn’t try to crush in their infancy.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      Well… that is a dark and highly insightful thought.

  • mdoc

    I am not black so I do not have that experience. But I am a woman and I do not understand how a self respecting woman could be a Christian.

    • UWIR

      Since when has religion been about respecting oneself?

    • Ren

      Most atheist started off as religious, it has nothing to do with self-respect, it’s just ignorance.

  • UWIR

    ” if there is a correlation between high praise and low productivity”.

    I find it a bit odd that Camara uses the phrase “high praise” with the apparent expectation that the reader would understand that she means “worship of God”.

  • Goape

    He’s looking for “a correlation between high praise and low productivity”. I’m fairly certain he’ll find it (sounds like he found it before he started the documentary), but establishing causation is going to be tricky.


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