A Christian Company Has Responded to the Atheist Billboards in South Dakota

Last week, seven billboards reading “Don’t believe in God? Join the club!” were put up across South Dakota (one for every citizen… zing!):

That didn’t sit well with William Kreider, the owner of Sioux Falls’ BSR Construction (tagline: “Locally owned and operated with Christian ethics”). So he has responded with a digital billboard of his own, quoting the infamous Bible verse from the Book of Psalms, “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.” It’s right in front of the atheist billboard, depending on how you’re looking at it.

(Joe Ahlquist – Argus Leader)

“I think there’s a lot of people who do believe in God, and I just wanted to represent them,” Kreider said.

Westbound motorists can see both signs at the same time.

“I just thought we should have an alternate viewpoint out there,” Kreider said.

Well, good thing he put up his billboard or else nobody would have known about the existence of Christianity!

It’s also a sloppy rebuttal. The atheist billboard — geared toward other atheists — asks whether or not you believe in God. The Christian billboard — which exists only to demonize and ridicule atheists — wrongly claims that we have some absolute knowledge that God doesn’t exist.

The atheists come off looking excited and honest, while the Christian just sounds petty. I’m not offended by the billboard. I’m just shaking my head at Kreider for thinking this was a wise investment. But let’s thank him for getting the atheist billboards into the local media once again.

(Thanks to Amanda for the link!)

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  • Bitter Lizard

    Perfect contrast between Christian “religious expression” and atheist “bigotry”.

  • A3Kr0n

    He hath just demonstrated his Christian ethics.

  • ZenDruid

    “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

    I’ve seen many, and contributed a few, responses to that cliché, and it occurs to me that it might be cool if a competition was held for responses that are succinct, acerb, and accurate, without the big words that confuse the churchy folk.

    • Roger Peritone

      Point out that we’re not the ones who kill our kids by using prayer therapy instead of medicine?

      • Andy Beals

        “They’re not real Christians.”

        • Pepe

          You forgot to add the trademark sign:

          “They’re not real Christians™”

          • John

            *True Christians™

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      I think the basic rebuttal goes, “…The wise person says it out loud.”

      “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Meanwhile, the evolved primate, Man, uses his voice to speak, but in consequence he chokes far more often than other animals, owing to anatomical compromises that would make God look like an idiot if He were real.”

      Kinda wordy. :P

    • Gus

      Best one I’ve heard: “The wise man says it out loud”.

    • Tris

      The wise man uses his mouth to say things; hearts are better at pumping blood?

    • ZenDruid

      The liar claims that he speaks for God.

    • Desertman50

      I counter with Matthew 5:22 “Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

    • Randay

      The billboard doesn’t say which god. There are many generic gods invented by the equivalent of “spiritual” pharmaceutical companies. Kreider has to believe in all gods just to be sure that one of them may exist.

      • The Other Weirdo

        What the hell are “spiritual” pharmaceutical companies?

    • Goape

      Fun idea, unfortunately the problem with even great rebuttals is that the christian hath said by his actions, “I’mnotlisteningI’mnotlisteningI’mnotlistening”.

    • Machintelligence

      How about” “The wise man shouts it from the rooftops!”

      • The Other Weirdo

        Don’t like it, sounds very histrionic to me, like we’re out of control. You know, the way Christians get in megachurches.

        • Sweetredtele

          Say it in a normal voice near Christians and they will claim the angry atheist is shouting anyway…

          • The Other Weirdo

            I find it not at all helpful to worry about how people perceive things. Christians take it as a personal insult that atheists not only exist among them, but also refuse to know their place or acknowledge the obvious superiority in all ways important of the Christian Man™. When dealing with that sort of arrogance, nothing we say, no matter how inoffensive or mild will be seen as the surest sign from God Himself™ of our sinful nature. Because Bible, natch.

            That doesn’t mean, however, that we should stoop to their level of discourse.

  • Bert Russell

    The same thing happened to atheists in Central Florida in 2008. The Atheists of Florida had a very similar billboard placed and once it came down Christians put up their own billboard that quoted the same part of their religious text.

  • Canadian Atheist, eh!

    Atheist message: neutral and inclusive. Christian message: insulting and exclusive.

    Sounds about right.

    • viaten

      “Atheist message: neutral and inclusive.” to other atheists, but “insulting” to Christians, suggesting the one thing they most don’t want to hear, that a person can have no belief in God.

      • Lmaris

        “…the one thing they don’t want to hear.” Annoying maybe, but that isn’t insulting. And it isn’t targeting only those who question a Christian god, as the Christian board does. Finally, the Atheist board is factually, provably accurate, something the Christian board cannot claim.

        • allein

          “but that isn’t insulting”

          but that doesn’t stop them from being insulted…

          • baal

            If someone takes offense at something that really isn’t insulting; they may change their minds later or have their or the local baseline reset. If someone takes offense at something that really is in fact totally insulting; you’re just driving them deeper into their views or kicking of their confirmation bias.

          • Aaron Brown

            If nobody could say anything except that which nobody found offensive, our mouths would be stitched shut at birth.

          • carbonated_turtle

            I find your comment incredibly insulting. How dare you?

          • Bob Smith

            Victimhood is the first arrow drawn form their quiver.

        • viaten

          I put “insulting” in quotes for that reason. They may say they are “insulted” when it’s really an uncomfortable reminder. Yes, I could have said “believers” but didn’t think to as the christian billboard was there. And the atheist board isn’t really “factual” since it asks a question and suggests non believers become or at least consider themselves part of a group even if remaining quiet. But it does suggest the fact there’s a “club” of non believers.

          • Bitter Lizard

            If they find that insulting, it’s a personal problem on their part. I hope they go home and cry about it.

            • viaten

              Actually, I’d prefer they cry about it publicly, so people can see how they take it personally and maybe see their true colors. It also makes people more aware of the issue.

              • Bitter Lizard

                Good point. I want to watch them cry and get drunk on their tears.

                • Derrik Pates

                  New atheist billboard: “Your tears are delicious, and make us powerful.”

      • WingedBeast

        Bare in mind that the message, as read by Christians, only delivers to them the message “atheists exist”.
        A Christian has to add his or her own insult to that in order to then get insult out of that.

        • viaten

          I agree the message is inherently not insulting at all, but it seems some believers will find a way to take it as an “insult” directed at them. Even that such a billboard was allowed could be taken as an “insult” by some believers. I like the innocuous billboards such as this one the best, especially if it gets believers riled up. It means the billboards are working.

          • Rich Rodgers

            Well, of course. When your a targeted, oppressed group like the christian majority, you gotta be wary of these threats.

      • carbonated_turtle

        You can choose to be insulted by a basket full of kittens, but there’s nothing insulting about the atheist billboard.

        • viaten

          No there isn’t. But some will still take offense or make themselves feel insulted, or at least just act like they’re insulted.

    • The Steinmaster

      Inclusive? Bahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

      • Randay

        I suggest a new atheist billboard:

        “Do you believe in god?”
        “Which one?”

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

          i’ll put my money behind that campaign.

        • SeekerLancer

          That line of criticism never worked for me because it’s impossible for most believers to see the logic behind it.

          “What do you mean? The one true Lord and savior Jesus Christ. It says so in the bible that the others are false.”

          • 3lemenope

            The only times I’ve seen it work is as a deflection against a conversion attempt, as in: “Why should I convert to your brand of theism? The Muslim down the street is apt to say the very same things that you do.” They already believe themselves to have picked correctly, so as you point out it really doesn’t work well for visiting their own selection.

          • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

            The question implies a level of critical thinking that tends to be underdeveloped in most theists, especially the more fundamentalist types (of any religion, not just Christianity).

    • Blacksheep

      Most of the atheist signs that have been featured here (“You know it’s a myth”, “good without God:”, etc.) are indeed insulting, (and intended as such). They are normally not at all “neutral and Inclusive.”

      So no, it doesn’t sound about right. In my opinion it’s a newer, friendlier approach.

      • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

        How is “Good without God” insulting?

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          And this particular message isn’t new either:

          http://atheistbillboards.com/gallery-photos/

          It would be interesting to show people a bunch of billboards, both Christian and atheist, and ask them to rate their offensiveness. I honestly think you’re suffering from confirmation bias when you say most of the atheist ones are insulting, but I honestly can’t say I’m being objective either.

        • Blacksheep

          OK – in retrospect I should not have mentioned that one, I’m personalizing it too much.

          It hits me as a more subtle dig, and the subtle implication is “we’re right, you’re wrong” which is different than a purely positive statement. (For example a sign saying “jesus died for you” is different than saying “Jesus died for you and atheists are wrong.” As soon as you mention the other “team” it’s a dig against them.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            I’m struggling to think of a Christian one that isn’t “we’re right, you’re wrong”. “Jesus died for you” is talking about me, the reader of the billboard as opposed to “Jesus died for me” the creator of the billboard.

            I realize this is about atheist billboards, not Christian billboards, but I can’t see them in a vacuum. I agree that the AA billboards are intentionally pushing back. But a) I don’t think they’re any worse than most of the Christian billboards out there (trying my best to look at it objectively) and b) they are the extreme edge of the array.

          • Paul Hoover

            If Jesus died for me then I as an atheist am wrong in my belief correct?

            In this instance one group is right and the other group is wrong. Personally I can do without being told I will burn in hell or I need Jesus when Christianity is one among many religions.

            At least I don’t argue with other atheists about who’s non-belief is correct.

          • PoodleSheep

            I like waffles.

      • Gus

        OK, I can see you you would find “You know it’s a myth” insulting, although I would argue that billboard is aimed at people who do know it’s a myth, and not at you. But that’s beside the point.

        How on earth is “Good without God” insulting, let alone intended that way? Saying we can be good without god after years of attacks on our morality simply for not believing is not an insult to you.

        And “most”? I suggest you go back and count. Is the one with kittens insulting?

  • viaten

    This seems to help the atheist cause by drawing attention to the issue. It’s also a sign (ha ha) that increased awareness of atheism is a serious threat to religion. They know they have to do something to counter it.

  • DD

    “Well, good thing he put up his billboard or else nobody would have known about the existence of Christianity!”

    Snort.

  • Carpinions

    “I just thought we should have an alternate viewpoint out there,” Kreider said.

    Funny how the majority always needs “an alternate viewpoint out there” whenever they’re challenged. It was only a matter of minutes after the SDCoR billboard went up that one could expect this kind of response. Perhaps sometime an atheist group should make a billboard of the Abrahamic god commanding his chosen people to utterly annihilate another group of people, closing with “I am a jealous god!”

    • C Peterson

      The atheist billboard in this case doesn’t even espouse a viewpoint! It’s just an invitation.

      • Carpinions

        We’re atheists. It doesn’t need to espouse a viewpoint, it only needs to signal that we exist. If the atheist billboard said “atheists meet online at http://www.sdcor.com” and that was it, you’d still see a response like the one above. Mere existence is taken as license for theists to go on a diatribe about their respective superstition at the drop of a word.

    • SeekerLancer

      I know, isn’t the atheist billboard already the alternate viewpoint the the widely accepted majority message? Nobody in the US needs to be reminded Christians exist and think atheists are going to hell.

      I guess this goes along with the, “have you heard of Jesus?” people who think people are only atheists or belong to other religions because they haven’t heard their version of Christianity yet.

      • Carpinions

        It’s like Christians, or any strain of theism really, that tries to make itself appear modern by employing “hip” music and flashy presentation while working in crap about loving said deity and how great it is, because of reasons. It’s as poser as could be. The majority opinion is by definition not capable of passing itself off as new thinking because it isn’t.

  • raytheist

    Just another example of Christian cherry-picking. If he would read the entire passage, in context, he would see he is included:

    The fool[a] says in his heart,
    “There is no God.”
    They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
    there is no one who does good.

    2 The Lord looks down from heaven
    on all mankind
    to see if there are any who understand,
    any who seek God.
    3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
    there is no one who does good,
    not even one.

    See? It isn’t talking about atheists, but about fools, who do no good and in whom there is no good. Even better, it isn’t singling out atheists at all, but talking about ALL of humanity.

    • Carpinions

      Silly raytheist. You A) think they actually have read the full verse and are B) willing to be honest about it?

      • raytheist

        No, of course not! The true Liar4Jesus™ would never be so clear. That shouldn’t stop the rest of us from back-checking and verifying the citation for context and clarity. :-D

    • Guest

      What a misanthropic piece of shit the bible really is.

    • william boyd

      The psalm is fascinating to me because no one who quotes it seems to have actually read it. It is actually talking about apostates, not atheists (… there is no Elohim… Yahweh looks down…), and was written in the context of the Babylonian captivity, when many Hebrews would naturally convert to the religion of their captors. It doesn’t at all say that “athiest r dumb” like it’s usually used. It says that those who abandon their religion during hard times (like enslavment) are morally corrupt.

    • Amor DeCosmos

      you totally took that out of context.

      • raytheist

        Seriously? hahahahaha

        • Amor DeCosmos

          …sorry, should have added ;)

  • Without Malice

    Contrary to what the “Good Book” says, only a gullible fool would not question the existence of supernatural beings.

  • http://vinimarques.com/ Vini Marques

    And what a bench has to do with anything remains a mystery.

    • Matthew Baker

      Cheapest stock photo they could find maybe?

      • http://vinimarques.com/ Vini Marques

        A picture of their invisible deity?

        • viaten

          Atheists could run with it. “Is God sitting there? Or is it just a park bench?”

          • DavidMHart

            Maybe they could have that as a speech bubble coming from Clint Eastwood.

    • http://bearlyatheist.wordpress.com/ Bear Millotts

      Can’t you see god sitting on that bench? What are you: blind or willfully obtuse? He’s sitting right next to the Easter Bunny and the Chupacabra, between Bigfoot and the Nessie.

  • Jasper

    ““I just thought we should have an alternate viewpoint out there,” Kreider said.”

    Because, clearly, having the entire society plastered with this stuff isn’t “alternative” enough.

    • Yoav

      I’m sure there are parts of SD where you can drive for 5 whole minutes without seeing a christian billboard.

  • Matthew Baker

    I rather see a silly billboard than see the atheist billboard vandalized.

    • Josh

      I wouldn’t mind seeing an atheist billboard vandalized – more publicity that would get more people thinking about how non-christians are treated.

      • The Steinmaster

        That sounds like a motive for atheists to vandalize their own billboards. Hmmmmm…..

        • Josh

          The ends do not justify the means, my friend. :-)

      • viaten

        I’d rather not see that happen (but I’d probably take the publicity if it did). But if it happens and church members know who did it, I’d like to see the church members report the perpetrators to police.

  • Dave Murphy

    Actually as the christian board is bigger i think it makes the Atheist one look clever and funny… like, dont mind this loud overlord shouting at you, come join our club

    • Agent M

      It’s not bigger – that photo is taken at a very strange angle. Our billboard is 14×48. That digital one is 10×21.

    • baal

      I think the xtian billboard actually helps. It’s overbearing and reminds you why you don’t like xtians. If you then see the offer of friendship and support in the context, it’s a very welcome sight.

  • viaten

    I was never sure which way it is according to the wording or style of language (in English or Hebrew). Does it mean literally mean “all fools say there’s no God”, or “only fools says there’s no God.”? It seems like it the former, trying to imply the latter. In any case, I know which way Christians want to take it.

    • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

      To complicate it even more, according to NIV

      “The Hebrew words rendered fool in Psalms denote one who is morally deficient.”

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%2014&version=NIV

      • viaten

        Either way, the verse uses the article “the” which to me seems to suggest “all” rather than “only”, so fools or morally corrupt persons at least say there is no God. But that doesn’t imply atheists who say that must be fools or morally corrupt. It makes more sense to think morally corrupt people would say that rather than people who say that must be morally corrupt.

  • Robert Burns

    When a company -especially a construction company- claims ethics due to religion, run in the other direction.

    • WallofSleep

      That’s precisely how my grandma gets burnt, by running to such companies. Every single time she has been ripped off real good, it’s been done by a fellow christian.

      • Jim Jones

        Can confirm.

    • Trickster Goddess

      “If you do business with a Christian, get it in writing.”
      – William S. Burroughs

  • JB

    Well it seems he hasn’t really read his bible.

    Matthew 5:22 KJV but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    • randomfactor

      And of course, they say “I’M not saying it, the Buybull is!!11! So toss the Bible into the fire, then.

  • Beth Purkhiser

    Thanks, Kreider! I’ve always been quite proud to be in the company of this type of “fool.” http://vimeo.com/15773748

  • randomfactor

    The message of that psalm really is “the fool hath said in his heart, the wise man sayeth it in the public square.”

    It actually is about believing one thing but doing another.

  • Baby_Raptor

    He’s either full of shit or extremely insecure. Christers are a majority in this country. Nobody needs to supply their POV; it’s the default. And this man knows this.

    So he either is really Fucking scared of losing that majority, and as such has to reinforce it whenever he can, or he just wanted to take potshots at someone who doesn’t believe like he does.

    Note that the Atheist billboard doesn’t insult anyone. The Christer one does. I think that’s all that needs to be said.

    • WallofSleep

      “So he either is really Fucking scared of losing that majority, and as
      such has to reinforce it whenever he can, or he just wanted to take
      potshots at someone who doesn’t believe like he does.”

      I could just be a financial decision. Many people put on a “Jesus Christ Pose” simply for the extra business it can generate for them.

      • Anymouse

        False dichotomy–it could be both.

    • Agrajag

      They’re a majority. And they’re used to have more or less only their viewpoint displayed publicly. It’s hardly surprising that they find it threathening that today there’s alternative viewpoints displayed publicly and proudly. If they could, many of them would prefer to have these REMOVED, but seeing as there’s this thing called free speech, that tends to be kinda tricky.

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

        we are the new black. gay rights are pretty much in the chute, imho. there will be some more battles, but the default is resetting; a majority of young people support gay equality. atheists are the next minority to fight for and hopefully win our equal rights.

        like in the case of gay rights, there are so many legal fictions based on mythology foisted on nonbelievers and minority believers it’s not even funny. anti-gay activists always argued from total bullshit positions not at all based in science and reality. atheists have to have that same crap injected into our social and legal realities so often, it is offensive.

        it’s time to take this to the next level. which is starting to call it what it is. a civil rights issue.

        • Agrajag

          I think that’s overstating it slightly. It’s true that atheists suffer horribly in some regressive states, but assuming you’re primarily talking about the first world, it’s been a long time, if ever, since atheists had problems of a similar magnitude as blacks and gays. It depends strongly of which country you’re talking about though. There’s a death-penalty for leaving religion in some countries — but those tend to treat homosexuals the same. Where I’m at, atheists have been essentially discrimination-free for atleast a generation while homosexuals still suffer to some degree though the trend is improving for them too.

  • TheLoneIguana

    “…And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” -Matthew 5:22.

  • stevenkickingbird

    Whether yer fur it or agan it; everybody and his brother is makin money off that Bobdamn bible!

  • Greg G.

    There are at least 18 verses in the Bible that have been translated with the phrase “there is no god”. It’s 25 if you include the Catholic Old Testament. If God really existed, would he have repeated that phrase so many times in His Word?

    Deuteronomy 32:39 NIV
    See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me. I put to
    death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can
    deliver out of my hand.

    2 Samuel 7:22 NIV
    How great you are, O Sovereign LORD! There is no one like you, and there
    is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.

    1 Kings 8:23 NIV
    and said: “O LORD, God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven
    above or on earth below–you who keep your covenant of love with your servants
    who continue wholeheartedly in your way.

    2 Kings 1:3 NKJV
    But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, “Arise, go up to meet
    the messengers of the king of Samaria, and say to them, “Is it because there is
    no God in Israel that you are going to inquire of Baal-Zebub, the god of
    Ekron?’

    2 Kings 1:6 NIV
    “A man came to meet us,” they replied. “And he said to us, `Go back to the
    king who sent you and tell him, “This is what the LORD says: Is it because
    there is no God in Israel that you are sending men to consult Baal-Zebub,
    the god of Ekron? Therefore you will not leave the bed you are lying on. You
    will certainly die!”‘”

    2 Kings 1:16 NIV
    He told the king, “This is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no
    God in Israel for you to consult that you have sent messengers to consult
    Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron? Because you have done this, you will never leave
    the bed you are lying on. You will certainly die!”

    2 Kings 5:15 NIV
    Then Naaman and all his attendants went back to the man of God. He stood
    before him and said, “Now I know that there is no God in all the world
    except in Israel. Please accept now a gift from your servant.”

    1 Chronicles 17:20 NIV
    “There is no one like you, O LORD, and there is no God but you, as we
    have heard with our own ears.

    2 Chronicles 6:14 NIV
    He said: “O LORD, God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven
    or on earth–you who keep your covenant of love with your servants who continue
    wholeheartedly in your way

    Psalms 10:4 NASB
    The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All
    his thoughts are, “There is no God.”

    Psalms 14:1 NIV
    The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt,
    their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

    Psalms 53:1 NIV
    The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and
    their ways are vile; there is no one who does good.

    Isaiah 44:6 NIV
    This is what the LORD says– Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
    I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no
    God.

    Isaiah 44:8 KJV
    Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and
    have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there
    is no God; I know not any.

    Isaiah 45:5 NIV
    I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.
    I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,

    Isaiah 45:14 KJV
    Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of
    the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine:
    they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall
    down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in
    thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

    Isaiah 45:21 KJV
    Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath
    declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the
    LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is
    none beside me.

    1 Corinthians 8:4 NIV
    So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is
    nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one.

    • Renshia

      Holey fuck man, what’s your point?
      Who gives a shit?

      • rtanen

        The point is that, just as the digital billboard is a manipulative excerpt, you can* quote the Bible as stating that there is no god.

        *manipulatively

        • Renshia

          Well, the bible can be made to say anything and 95% of it is manipulatively. Pretty much everyone knows that.

  • CoboWowbo

    To me that billboard simply shows an intolerance towards people with different views. You don’t believe as I do? You don’t worship my God? Then you are a fool.

  • SeekerLancer

    It doesn’t matter if the quote came from a holy book or not. You’re still resorting to grade-school name-calling.

  • DougI

    Typical fundies, upset at the competition so they have to spend thousands to insult people they don’t know. At least their message is clear, religion is all about hate.

  • Zalpha Primus

    My standard response to this is, “If even a fool gets it, what’s your excuse?”

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

      for the Win.

    • Derrik Pates

      I think I love you.

  • Justin Miyundees

    I like it! I like’m both! The SDCOR never said “there is no god” – just that they don’t believe there is. It’s a subtle difference, but the debate is primed and we can move on in – Jesus! Give us a sign!!! It’s a good start to a debate and it’s about time!

    • The Other Weirdo

      To many believers, especially those with weak faiths masquerading as firebrands, even suggesting that there might be people who don’t believe at all or don’t believe as they do seems to negate their entire existence.

  • Matt Bowyer

    “My heart pumps blood.”

    I think that’s from the Atheist Experience. I think the host said that.

  • smrnda

    Wow, a book promoting a god contains a line where it says people who don’t believe in the god are fools. That’s on the level of an infomercial that says “you MUST BE A FOOL if you don’t call now and fork over some money for this exciting opportunity!”

  • Renshia

    I don’t know, pretty good zing, if I was asked. Good for a laugh, no matter how you look at it.
    It is good to know that BSR is “operated with Christian ethics”. You gotta know that somewhere in the deal, christian privilege will pop it’s ugly head and somehow you will get screwed in the deal. Good to catch those warning signs early to avoid that sort of thing.

  • cary_w

    The billboard companies are getting the last laugh by making a bunch of money, but it all just makes me want to move to Vermont where the people had the good sense to outlaw billboards.

  • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

    I wonder if the local news station will report on this new controversial billboard. Will they ask local atheists what they think about it? Probably not.

    • Derrik Pates

      No, but people will still talk about the atheists, who it’s pretty clearly in response to. It’s not perfect, but at least it keeps our existence in the public consciousness.

  • freddieknows

    I hope BSR Construction doesn’t try to deduct the cost of the billboards for income tax purposes. Under Internal Revenue Code Section 162, the criteria for deducting is a business expense is “ordinary, necessary, and reasonable” relative to the business conducted. Certainly the purpose of these billboards is not ordinary, necessary, nor reasonable with respect to a construction business.

    • Renshia

      Like the IRS is gonna care. They only go after little old ladies in wheel chairs.

  • Bdole

    And Kreider thus demonstrates why atheists need a community of their own in the first place. We’re surrounded by twits who a) don’t understand what atheism is and b)are eager to insult us while crying persecution.

  • Robert J. Williamson

    Typical Christians, the have to insult anyone who thinks differently than they do. Also typical that they quote their own book which would of course say anyone who doesn’t believe that book is a fool.

  • bdallmann

    Yes…because those who believe in God are lacking representation. *facepalm*

  • Brian

    Ironically, Christians would be outraged if an atheist put up a billboard that calls Christians “fools” for believing in God. What a lovely double standard.

    • Anna

      So true. They never seem to grasp the double standard, either. It’s offensive to them for us to proclaim our nonbelief, but they’re allowed to make all kinds of assertions and don’t get that their statements could also be seen as arrogant and offensive.

      • Bitter Lizard

        This recent post on an evangelical blog on Patheos is a perfect case study: the author argues that having other people saying they’re offended is a violation of his religious freedom, as well as, evidently, saying anything about his beliefs that he might find offensive himself. People like this are fucking deranged.

        http://www.patheos.com/blogs/euangelion/2013/08/the-meaning-of-religious-freedom/

    • Bitter Lizard

      I’ve pointed this out many times when they bitch about atheists calling them stupid. Religious people think different rules apply to them, and atheists who chew out other atheists for not being nice and deferential enough are only reinforcing this sense of entitlement.

  • C Peterson

    When I clicked on the “digital billboard” link, I was expecting to see a yahoo in the back of a pickup flipping me off…

  • geralynmott

    ah, but anytime i am presented with the xtian message, i respond: “Well, if even the fool knows it, what’s holding you back?”

  • Dave

    98% of Mensa are atheist. A fool in his heart says there is god. Apologies to Atheists out there with low IQ. If there are any.

  • Brian Pansky

    “I just wanted to represent them” my ass.

    if you are going to be on the offense, at least be honest about it.

  • korinthian

    ” but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

  • nipseysdad

    I would add to the Christian billboard this line: ‘The wise man says it out loud.”

  • GTH

    I actually like it. I think this is the perfect example of the “marketplace of ideas”. One thing I would like to point out is that this guy didn’t try to have our billboard removed (as we’ve seen many times in other places), didn’t vandalize our billboard (as we’ve seen many times in other places), or try to stifle our speech in any way. This is how it should be.
    As for who wins in this marketplace of ideas, that’s pretty easy to discern.

  • Gus

    There is no god.

    And I no more take the Bible as a definitive statement on whether I am a fool than on whether or not we evolved over billions of years.

  • Nick Wride

    “Operated with Christian ethics”? You mean like the ethics of King Charlemagne, who ordered the beheading of 4,500 human beings in one morning?

    • Tor

      I’m sure this contractor is not that bad. But I still would not hire him.

  • Gerry Mooney

    I just sent a nice email to BSR Construction thanking them for the way their billboard has brought more attention to the important message of the atheist billboards.

  • Tor

    “operated with Christian ethics”

    That tells me to avoid, because I really do no trust those ethics.

  • Brandi

    Well, a debate isn’t valid unless both sides of the argument are presented… Kinda like the way pro-choice people believe in having a choice… as long as you choose abortion. O_o

    • CommentMaker

      I agree with you. Atheist are single dimensional and Christians will speak out against their comments. However, they do have the right to try to find non-believers.

    • Derrik Pates

      That is, naturally, a wild misrepresentation of both the atheist point of view, and the pro-choice point of view. So, well done.

    • TheLump

      Both sides? A bit of a false dichotomy there, eh?(sorry for the big words)

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      Choose abortion? Oh no, you’ve bought all the lies of the pro-life movement!

      To the dictionary! Choice means options and the ability to opt between them. To be pro- something means to be in favor of it. Pro-choice means just that; to be in favor of options and the ability to choose between them. That means if a woman wants to carry a pregnancy to term, we support her. If she wants to adopt out her baby, we support her. And if she wants to abort, we support her and try to make sure she has access to the abortion she desires. Coercion is anathema- forcing a woman to have an abortion is just as bad as forcing her to carry a pregnancy to term. It’s all about respecting the woman and her choice for her body and her life.

      In what way is that only supporting the choice of abortion?

    • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

      Right, that’s why there are no pro-choice people who have children…

  • Derrik Pates

    In my experience with “Christian business” owners, they’re often some of the greatest models of how terrible Christianity really is. W. S. Burroughs was right on the money:

    http://i.imgur.com/Sbhk8.png

  • Hatchetmaniac

    Oh come on, guys. As if we atheists aren’t above pettiness and sniping? We’ve been cannibalizing each other in the blog threads for years. But at least they didn’t vandalize the atheist billboard. That says something.

  • MikeyM

    Is that the bench from Forrest Gump?

  • Zachary Tyynismaa

    Anyone else notice the Christian Billboard has “like us on Facebook”? Ironic, no?


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