S.E. Cupp Explains How She Can Be a Conservative Atheist

In a semi-advertisement for tomorrow’s (re-)premiere of “Crossfire” on CNN, conservative commentator (and frequent self-loathing atheist) S.E. Cupp created a video explaining why she’s an atheist and how she can be conservative at the same time:

Most of the video is just fine — she became an atheist around the age of 16, she has a Masters degree in Religious Studies, she didn’t become an atheist because of some traumatic event in her life.

But a few of the other comments are just plain weird.

Cupp says she, like believers, “agree[s] with pretty much all of the Ten Commandments.” Really? Including the first four?! What about coveting? Isn’t that the driver of capitalism?

Cupp then says she’s not a “militant atheist, who dismisses the beliefs of 95% of the world as crazy.” As if all atheists who think the notion of God is silly are automatically “militant.” As if there’s any reason to think religious beliefs are anything but crazy. (To be sure, religious belief can motivate people to do a lot of good, but there’s no reason those beliefs themselves have any merit to them.)

She also separates herself from all other atheists using terminology we tend to hear only from the Religious Right: “My brand of atheism… isn’t the typical militant, hostile, confrontational, dismissive atheism. It really is, for me, from a place of envy and gratitude and understanding and appreciation…”

Envy.

More than a year ago, she used the same word when talking about how she wished she was religious:

“I envy religious people… I envy the faithful. I would like to be a person of faith, but I’m not there yet…

In her video, Cupp explains how she was always curious about religion, liking the ritual of it, but she just couldn’t bring herself to believe in God: “[I] couldn’t completely get there ever… And I tried. I really wanted to. It just never got there.

Well, boo-fucking-hoo.

You’re an atheist. Embrace it, dammit! You broke free!

None of this is surprising, though. Remember: this is the same person who said she would never vote for an atheist candidate for President:

And you know what? I would never vote for an atheist president. Ever… Because I do not think that someone who represents 5 to 10 percent of the population should be representing and thinking that everyone else in the world is crazy, but me.

I like that there is a check, OK? That there‘s a person in the office that doesn’t think he’s bigger than the state… I like religion being a check and knowing that my president goes home every night addressing someone above him and not thinking all the power resides right here… Atheists don’t have that.

Like I said, she’s a self-loathing atheist.

The thing that bugs me most about the video is how she doesn’t actually explain how her conservatism ties in with her atheism. How does she so frequently side with people who are against science? Against birth control? Against comprehensive sex education? Against equal rights for gay people? Against programs that help the poor and downtrodden?

Cupp herself may be on the progressive sides of these particular issues but, in that case, she never explains what beliefs put her in the conservative camp. If she’s only a fiscal conservative, there are undoubtedly a bunch of atheists who agree, making her far from the anomaly she sees herself as. At least Republican Edwina Rogers, the Executive Director of the Secular Coalition for America, has said her party is wrong on those sorts of social issues.

The title of the CNN article is “S.E. Cupp: Being a conservative atheist is not a contradiction.” And that’s true. You can be a conservative atheist. But in America, in 2013, in this political climate, if you’re an atheist who’s siding with the Republicans, you owe the rest of us a damn good explanation for it.

Cupp didn’t do that in this video. She doesn’t do that ever. Instead, she just offered the same straw man arguments against atheists we expect to hear from Republican talking heads instead of intelligent moderates.

“Crossfire” hasn’t even premiered yet, but there’s already good reason to hope it doesn’t last long.

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the chair of Foundation Beyond Belief and a high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago. He began writing the Friendly Atheist blog in 2006. His latest book is called The Young Atheist's Survival Guide.

  • GubbaBumpkin

    How? It’s easy. She’s willing to lie.

    “I envy religious people… I envy the faithful. I would like to be a person of faith, but I’m not there yet…”

    I predict she’ll get there when it appears profitable to do so.

    • JET

      Right now it’s profitable for her to be the “odd” conservative. No one would have heard of her otherwise. This is her claim to fame.

      • Eliot Parulidae

        Maybe it’s like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who started out denouncing all religion but later started saying nice things about Christianity, probably because her agent told her that she needed to pander to her big conservative readership.

    • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

      When Cupp’s gimmick of being the atheist who says what the religious right wants to hear atheists say finally wears out and no longer profits her, she’ll have her long-teased “conversion experience” and miraculously her book about the experience will be on the stands only two weeks later. Jesus can do stuff like that, you know.

    • ForgotMyPassword

      Hey sir, can I be an atheist who envy’s their ignorance, though? I don’t ever want to be like them, but I evny their ignorance to an extent. Because the type of person I am, it would have been better for me personally to have never figured out there was no god (even though technically there is nothing to “figure out”; it’s the the natural order of things that shows there’s no god. Otherwise I agree with nothing else from S.E. Cupp. I need your approval.

  • Micky

    Here she appears to be a self-hating atheist.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYx5u5VHr3E

    • LJinFLA

      No, actually she just confirmed her belief in her “higher power” She wouldn’t vote for an atheist ever…for president, because this president wouldn’t go home and “talk to a higher power” with the problems inherent in being a world leader. hmmm. So, she is an atheist who believes in an invisible higher intelligent being that listens to you? and gives you guidance? I am not falling for her BS, she is…IS a christian and is simply selling herself as an atheist for money. Typical.

      • allein

        Seriously…why would it be a good thing that your leaders go home and ask for guidance from something you don’t think is actually there? I don’t want my world leaders looking to imaginary beings in their heads to decide what to do, I want them dealing with the real world.

        • LJinFLA

          Because, she if full of it. She believes. That’s why she would “never vote for an atheist” Personally I would prefer one in office as they would believe this is our one life so lets do our best here….to preserve it and make things better for ALL others. I’m so judgmental today, lol.

  • Jasper

    “Cupp then says she’s not a “militant atheist, who dismisses the beliefs of 95% of the world as crazy.” As if all atheists who think the notion of God is silly are automatically “militant.””

    Every time I dismiss a religious person’s belief, a gun materializes in my hand from nothing. This happen to anybody else?

    • Jasper

      And here I thought that shooting grenades from my mouth was normal.

      • 3lemenope

        That’s deluxe atheism. You must’ve got the upgrade package.

        • Timothy R Alexander

          I get a rocket launcher, I wanted to go all out.

    • 3lemenope

      Militancy is something that religious people understand very well. So, it’s a go-to metaphor; I don’t think they much care that it is a particularly inaccurate one.

      On the other hand, I’ve definitely met atheists–several of them, in fact–who do in fact act like 95% of the rest of the world is not just wrong but crazy. And it is obnoxious, and it is unjustified. And you really can’t blame people for taking offense at that.

      • Carmelita Spats

        I’m not sure…Why would anyone believe that a stale cracker is the living flesh of a 2,000-year-old virgin carpenter? Why do my family members engage in creepy ritualistic cannibalism which is frowned upon by most societies? Tradition? I’ve explained to them that piracy is a tradition that has been carried on for hundreds of years but that does not mean we should all attack ships and steal their gold. Likewise, we shouldn’t eat anyone’s flesh or drink anyone’s blood because of tradition. Period. I don’t care if I’m obnoxious…I always take the time to point out to my relatives (never strangers) that they are two sandwiches short of a picnic, crazier than an acre of snakes and as confused as a cow on Astroturf. They return the favor.

        • Pofarmer

          Because they believe that if they do not partake, their soul could die, seriously. But, it’s not just that. The entire Catholic theology is based off of the idea of original sin and the “Fall” of man. fall, fall, fall, fall, fall. We are all horrible fallen sinners. I have tried to get Longenecker and others to engage on this, and they will not. Hell, the Catholic Church agrees with Evolution, which automatically invalidates the Adam and Eve story, which blows up their entire theology INCLUDING the sarifice of Jesus for Eve’s sin. The whole thing is NUTS, and it’s easily provable, and they still just look at you glassy eyed like YOU’RE. the crazy one. I mean, how can you question 2000 years of TRADITION? Yes, it’s frustrating.

          • allein

            But I like fall…it’s my favorite season :)

      • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

        Militant is the term that entitled people use to describe people who aren’t like them and won’t kiss their asses. They said it about African Americans who wanted to vote, gays who were tired of being harassed by cops, women who dares expect to be paid as much as men for doing the same job, and on and on. I say wear it with pride. It’s what they use when they don’t have a rational argument for why you should keep taking their shit.

        • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

          Feminists are still referred to as “militant”. Among other, even less flattering things…

        • guest

          Exactly. “Militant” is code for “This minority group doesn’t know it’s place. It should quietly accept our nonsense and/or abuse.”

          • guest

            its

    • WallofSleep

      I get spiked clubs or weaponized femurs. I guess my militant atheism is much more primitive than yours.

      • 3lemenope

        Old school is beaning theists upside the head with a stone tablet engraved with the Epicurean trilemma.

      • Spuddie

        I went with an off brand and got weaponized lemurs instead.

  • Graham Martin-Royle

    Can you be a conservative atheist? Of course you can. Atheism is a non belief in gods, it says absolutely nothing about any other views you may have.

    • Eliot Parulidae

      I agree. She just makes a terrible case for it.

      • Andi GreyScale

        Agreed. She really is just self-loathing.

        • Derrik Pates

          Either self-loathing, or just playing the role of “atheist” for the Fox News crowd, so she can play to all their stereotypes. The Fox News crowd loves to have their ridiculous and completely unrealistic stereotypes confirmed, so I’m sure there’s plenty of bank to be made on it.

    • waybeyondsoccermom

      My parents and in-laws are conservative atheists. Very capitalistic, anti-union, and have always voted Republican. “Everyone should pull themselves up by their bootstraps” attitude. Also, they don’t see why atheists have gotten so “loud, trying to challenge things”. They are “in the closet” and wish all the atheists would stay in there with them.

    • Phillip Woon

      Define conservative. I take it to mean that you want everything to be the way it’s always been. No improvement. Full of dogma, tradition. Now, I guess if you’re talking about traditional atheism, then that’s one thing. But I envision when people talk about wanting everything they way it’s always been, they’re advocating slavery, non-equal rights, gays as second class citizens, etc.

  • Michael Harrison

    As I recall, Crossfire was originally cancelled because its producer agreed with Jon Stewart that the show was hurting America by sowing strife. It’s looking like the reboot won’t be working to correct that flaw.

  • sam

    We all know the “No true Scotsman” Fallacy. We all know professional, self-professing Christian scholars who don’t believe in the existence of a god, per se, but are happy to identify themselves as Christian, as it is part of a tradition to which they identify & enjoy (perhaps Karen Armstrong, Marcus Borg, Luke Timothy Johnson, Elaine Pagels, John Crossen).
    Yet, it would be very peculiar to find a self-identifying Christian who would admit that they can’t agree metaphysically, epistemologically, & ethically with much of anything the Christian tradition has had to offer in 2,000 years. One would find it very difficult to identify just how this person is Christian in any meaningful sense of the word.
    This is the kind of atheist SE Cupp is. She is clearly a theist lying for money.

    • Artor

      It’s tempting to see SE Cupp as an embodiment of No True Scotsman, but we don’t have to accept her self-identification as an atheist. She has many times expressed views that are not consistent with an atheist view of the world, and I think a much more reliable hypothesis is that she’s a liar for Jesus. Much like the “ex-Satanist” variety of Xian huckster, I think Cupp claims to be an atheist to get attention from the fundies and Teabaggers she markets her tripe towards. “See? Even the atheists agree with us! Praise the Lawd!”

      Edit; Huh. Downvotes? I didn’t think I said anything to earn that. Would anyone care to explain their objections?

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

        There definitely are MANY things she says that make one doubt whether she is really an atheist. “Like most believers I think that murder is terrible” [as if nonbelievers love murder, i.e., as if she thinks that SHE is an unique exception to other nonbelievers, who she thinks must love the idea of murder]. I can marginally understand such nonsense from a believer who has swallowed the bigotry of their pastor but never actually met someone they knew to be an atheist. But for an atheist to think that other atheists generally think pro-murder, that stretches credulity.

        Also, she has “a masters in religious studies” yet says that as an atheist she “agrees with pretty much ALL of the Ten Commandments” (Uhmm, S.E., how’d you get past the 1st four?). Again, her jibberish stretches credulity.

  • Guest

    6 out of ten can count as ‘pretty much all’ if you squint a little.

  • http://adderall-apocalypse.blogspot.com/ Adderall Apocalypse

    eh… you see the cast for that show!? Stephanie Cutter!? (hack). Newt Gingrich!? (’nuff said). Van Jones? (I guess 1 out of 4 “ain’t bad”?)

  • WallofSleep

    A self proclaimed conservative atheist isn’t at all difficult to conceive of.

    A self proclaimed atheist that constantly bags on atheism while lauding the virtues of the superstitious? That’s a bit harder to swallow.

    • http://abb3w.livejournal.com/ abb3w

      Check out Altemeyer’s “The Authoritarians”. High-SDO, high-RWA types tend to be less religious than other pure “follower” high-RWA types, but think religion’s a good source of rules for OTHER people to follow.

  • LesterBallard

    Conservative atheist; Liberal Christian; as long as you’re being honest, and I don’t think she is being honest. I still think she’ll have a big “conversion” sometime. When the money is right.

  • Fez

    The problem isn’t that she is or isn’t a conservative, the problem is she continues to fail at providing any supporting evidence that she is indeed an atheist. She presents instead as almost the perfect caricature atheist Fox can roll out when needed.

    • http://www.theartolater.com/ Jeff

      What kind of supporting evidence does she need to provide outside of “I don’t believe in God?”

      • Fez

        Let’s see…how about we start with something Hemant already covered:

        “Cupp says she, like believers, “agree[s] with pretty much all of the Ten Commandments.” Really? Including the first four?!”

        Let her denouncements commence…

        • http://www.theartolater.com/ Jeff

          Really, the first and third are the only ones outright incompatible with atheism, and strong arguments can be made for an atheist version of the fourth. If you look at “graven images” as any sort of idolatry, secular or religious, I can see the point.

          • Fez

            Bending over backwards as an accommodationist for religious principles that exist for no purpose other than to establish the superiority of one particular supernatural entity isn’t exactly the kind of action an *atheist* would take.

            If words are more important than actions for you, so be it – not here to tell you what your opinion has to be. I’m going to demand a higher bar be crossed by someone with such a well-documented history of mildly-veiled atheist bashing.

            • Guest

              That depends how you define ‘atheist’. Not all atheists are in the atheist movement. Ms Cupp is surrounded by Christians, they are her friends and co-workers and her audience. It makes sense that she wouldn’t want to upset them. Maybe a capital-A Atheist spends all their time attacking religion but many atheists just want to co-exist and not be discriminated against. Ms Cupp for some reason is a Republican and it’s hard to be an atheist in the Republican party. She’s doing what she needs to do to survive.

              • LJinFLA

                So when she is talking about atheists, why all the eye rolling from her as if all atheist are morons and she is the only intelligent atheist. It is hard to disguise that kind of disdain for others.

              • Eliot Parulidae

                I see what you’re saying, but it doesn’t apply to Cupp. If she didn’t want to be seen as a loud public atheist, she shouldn’t have billed herself as, um, a loud public atheist.

      • WallofSleep

        Saying something like “I don’t believe in god, but I really, really wish I did.” doesn’t exactly scream “atheist”.

        At best, she’s a trolling agnostic. At worst, she’s precisely what Fez describes.

      • J B

        She never actually seems to say “I don’t believe in God.” Frankly, she acts more like a gnostic theist that posits that knowledge of a god is attainable, but she personally has not yet attained that knowledge.

      • Eliot Parulidae

        Primo Levi once wrote “I respect the believer and sometimes envy him.” Levi was not a trolling agnostic – he was a blue-ribbon atheist who refused to pray even in Auschwitz and wrote some of the most beautiful science writing I’ve ever encountered.

        There is a difference, though. Levi was being honest about his feelings. Cupp seems to be doing the exact opposite, sucking up to FOX’s elderly religious viewership so she can make money.

      • Artor

        Presenting actions and conclusions that would indicate she’s not just lying when she says that. What atheist would still support the Ten Commandments? All of them? Really?

        • Guest

          An atheist that makes her living on a conservative TV channel and doesn’t want to alienate her audience?

    • Jacob

      Wouldn’t Fox want to caricature atheists as being mean, intolerant, and anti-Christian? That’s what they mostly assert them to be, yet Cupp is the opposite of that. If anything, it’s making atheists look better to their audience.

      • baal

        Only by saying that atheists truly actually love Christianity. I don’t need my friends to tell my enemies that I secretly love them (just like my friend who claims to be my friend does).

      • C.L. Honeycutt

        It’s very curious that you would argue that if she was insincere, she would be overtly sabotaging her own media persona, at a young age, at Fox’s orders, and making everyone hate her.

  • LJinFLA

    I’m confused, she does not sound at all like an atheist, but does sound like a closet believer of god…?

    • GubbaBumpkin

      Could it be? At long last? A Christian who does all her praying in the closet (Matt 6:5-6).

      • LJinFLA

        Oh, that would be nice if as believers, they would all follow that tenant. But cherry picking is so nice.

        • Rob McClain

          Easy mistake to make, but I think you mean “tenet, a principle or belief, esp. one of the main principles of a religion or philosophy”

          A tenant is the person paying rent to the landlord; a tenet is a way to pay homage to the Lord. :)

          • LJinFLA

            lol. I know, nursing a small hangover here and not paying close attention. Thanks.

            • waybeyondsoccermom

              I follow David Tennant.

  • viaten

    I don’t care for the expression “not a true atheist”, but she seems to come close to giving it actual meaning. It seems she’s “waiting on God” to reveal himself as she assumes he has to others, and knows, with a little bit of honesty, that, for the time being, she’s “not believing”.

  • advancedatheist

    How does she so frequently side with people who are against science? Against birth control? Against comprehensive sex education?

    I happen to like science myself. But the scientific evidence shows that women’s sexual freedom damages society and leads to demographic implosion. That puts liberal atheists in an awkward spot because they’ve created an unstable way of organizing society which will probably result in eventual extinction for atheists and their demographic replacement by religionists. I advocate filling a currently underused box in the morphological or Zwicky matrix which combines atheism with a pragmatic, secular version of patriarchy which maintains stable marriages and family formation. In fact, it wouldn’t bother me if the godless men in this kind of society cynically encourage religiosity in their womenfolk to put further constraints on women’s hypergamous impulses and leave them better suited for their evolved, organic roles.

    • 3lemenope

      Share links to your scientific evidence, if you would be so kind. Also helpful would be your definition of “demographic implosion” and an explanation of why that would be a bad thing.

      • C.L. Honeycutt

        Given the context of his previous posts, the trash means that African and Middle Eastern theists are outbreeding the poor doomed white people because the wimmenz won’t let him fumble his pud around them.

        • Spuddie

          He’s already admitted to being unable to please a woman in bed with prior silly remarks about wanting only to be around virgins or inexperienced women.

    • allein

      “womenfolk”?

      /dammit I can’t do that one-raised-eyebrow thing…

    • PrimateZero

      You’re kidding…right?

      • Anathema

        I’m afraid that he’s being utterly serious. Advancedatheist has a history of making stupid, misogynistic comments.

    • Artor

      “But the scientific evidence shows…”
      [citation needed]

    • Deborah

      You’re just bitter because no women would ever want to have sex with you.

    • TCC

      Fuck, you’re a douchebag.

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      Oh yes. The “scientific evidence” shows that Scandinavia, the least religious and most sexually liberated section of the globe, is totally imploding and a terrible place to live.

    • Spuddie

      Thus confirming my theory that people who use “atheist” in their names have the same level of accuracy as nations which use “Democratic Republic” in their title

    • Temy_T

      Why are you so terrified of women? You sound like a KKK member trying desperately to come up with a “sciency-sounding” reason for hating another race.

    • Anathema

      But the scientific evidence shows that women’s sexual freedom damages society and leads to demographic implosion.

      What demographic implosion? Look, there are over seven billion people on the planet and that number is growing. I don’t think that people not having enough kids is really a major worry.

      I think that what you really mean is that rich, white women in the developed world aren’t having enough kids for your taste. For the moment I’m going to ignore just how incredibly racist that logic is and instead point out that this “problem” can be overcome without taking away women’s sexual freedom. Of course, to figure out how this problem can be solved, you’ll need to actually talk to women and find out why it is that so many of them don’t want to have kids.

      I’m one of those women who does not want to have kids. Do you want to know how I came to that conclusion?

      My mother was a lawyer before she decided to have kids. I’ve heard how difficult it was for her to try to go back to work shortly after I was born. I watched as she was forced to give up her career entirely after my siblings were born. I know how the policies at the law firms that she worked at early in my childhood made it nearly impossible for her to look after her children while continuing her career. And I know that my father (also a lawyer) was never forced into the position where he had to choose between his children and his career.

      I saw what happened to my mother’s career. And I knew that I never wanted anything like that to happen to me.

      Want women to have more kids? The solution isn’t to limit women’s sexual freedom. A better place to start would be putting better parental leave policies in place and making affordable childcare easily available.

      That puts liberal atheists in an awkward spot because they’ve created an unstable way of organizing society which will probably result in eventual extinction for atheists and their demographic replacement by religionists.

      That only makes sense if you assume that a child’s religious beliefs are genetically inherited. But that’s not the way it works. A lot of atheists were raised in religious households. A lot of atheists were believers who became convinced that their former beliefs were wrong once they because they encountered arguments against their beliefs.

      The number of nonreligious people in world is growing. We don’t have to worry about extinction.

      I advocate filling a currently underused box in the morphological or Zwicky matrix which combines atheism with a pragmatic, secular version of patriarchy which maintains stable marriages and family formation.

      You assume that the only stable marriages and families are patriarchal marriages and families. You are wrong.

      In fact, it wouldn’t bother me if the godless men in this kind of society cynically encourage religiosity in their womenfolk to put further constraints on women’s hypergamous impulses and leave them better suited for their evolved, organic roles.

      Yes, let’s use religion to keep women in their place. What a brilliant idea. I have to ask, though, what would you think of a slave-master who attempted to use the Bible to keep his slaves from rebelling against him, even though he didn’t believe in it himself? Would that bother you?

      Also, falling back on the naturalistic fallacy is not a convincing argument. Especially when you cannot even show that the gender roles you are using the naturalistic fallacy to support are actually natural.

    • smrnda

      Patriarchy implies women being denied agency. Even if reproductive agency for women led to social collapse, a social order maintained by the denial of basic human rights to 50% of the population isn’t worth maintaining.

      I’m also not sure there’s any evidence of any sort of ‘collapse.’ Patriarchal societies tend to be very lousy places to live, and egalitarian societies are doing quite well. I see no indications that the secular, more egalitarian societies of Western Europe are nearing collapse. Their populations are bolstered by immigration, which relieves population pressure from less developed nations. If the notion is that they’ll overwhelm the white people and such, the trend of education and a higher standard of living increasing freedom for women (and leading to eventually declining birth rates) isn’t a phenomenon limited to white people.

      “In fact, it wouldn’t bother me if the godless men in this kind of society cynically encourage religiosity in their womenfolk”

      I’m sorry, but quote a few of us women aren’t so stupid as to fall for bullshit like that.

      “constraints on women’s hypergamous impulses”

      Perhaps you’re just threatened by a world where women want equality? Does ‘hypergamous impulses’ mean ‘I can’t get laid?’

      • indorri

        That last sentence is wrong even in its own context, because if he’s talking about “hypergamous urges”, he’s talking evo-psych, which would make marrying up the “evolved, organic role” for women. It’s just mind-boggling the depth the error goes.

        • smrnda

          There’s also no reason to suspect that tendencies we’ve inherited from evolution are actually adaptive to the present, since we’re living in conditions which are very unlike those under which we evolved.

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          Yep, he’s trying to tell us about all the “dirty, dirty sluts” while camouflaging it with pseudoscientific thinking.

        • Derrik Pates

          Sounds like he’s been reading guides for wannabe-players, with all that “hypergamy” talk. They make broad use of evo-psych babble.

    • jfigdor

      I just threw up in my mouth a little bit at this jibberish, “I advocate filling a currently underused box in the morphological or Zwicky matrix which combines atheism with a pragmatic, secular version of patriarchy which maintains stable marriages and family formation. In fact, it wouldn’t bother me if the godless men in this kind of society cynically encourage religiosity in their womenfolk to put further constraints on women’s hypergamous impulses and leave them better suited for their evolved, organic roles.” translates to “Sure, let’s maintain the patriarchy, because that’s worked out super great so far… also, let’s lie to women because they’re hypergamous and we need to police those sluts.”

      –stunned–

    • Peter Jordan

      Let me guess, cabal, this guy isn’t an atheist either?

      • baal

        Could you confirm you’re not “Jacob”? I said i was done with him and would hate for you to be him.

        • Bitter Lizard

          You’re not assuming that everything he’s presenting about himself is accurate, and are therefore committing the No True Peter fallacy.

    • fiona64

      But the scientific evidence shows that women’s sexual freedom damages society and leads to demographic implosion.

      Citation needed.

    • Valde

      But the scientific evidence shows that women’s sexual freedom damages society and leads to demographic implosion

      I have heard Islamic leaders say the same things. The ones who want it to be legal for men to marry and rape 9 year old girls.

  • Rob McClain

    What kind of a human being, unshackled from dogma and doctrine, looks back over their shoulder and professes envy for those still bound in the chains they’ve slipped themselves? This starts to smell bad in the sense that each of the major “chatter” networks or show look for a Hollywood fish-out-of-water plot to pander to the couch-bound. Except, this fish claims to be out of the water since, what, sixteen? You, young woman, are whoring yourself in the same sense that Ann Coulter agrees to appear on Bill Maher’s liberal Roman Circus.

    • LJinFLA

      That envy might come from the fact that some knowledge is hard to swallow.

    • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

      Using Ann Coulter and whore in the same sentence is redundant.

      • allein

        I noticed Coulter’s book Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama on the new paperback table at the bookstore the other day, and the pull quote on the cover said something about “an honest book about race”…now I haven’t actually read any of her books but if any of them are “honest” about anything I’ll be shocked.

        • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

          I have to give her credit. She knows her audience and knows how to get them riled up. Moreover she knows liberals and how to hit our buttons and make us go apeship thereby generating tons of free publicity for herself. She’s the Madonna of commentary. Derivative, provocative and content-free. And laughing all the way to the bank. it’s despicable, but she is amazingly good at it. Unfortunately we keep enabling her by playing along.

          • allein

            That she does. One of the methods of “consumer sabotage” (as the Freakonomics guys put it*) happens in bookstores – hiding books by certain authors (they even use Coulter as an example). In my experience, this mostly takes the form of flipping over the top book in a pile (whether on a table or faced-out on a shelf) so you can’t see the cover. Her books are definitely frequent victims of this (as a customer, I’m amused; as a former bookstore employee, it’s annoying because you keep having to fix them). I actually saw it a couple weeks ago when I was looking through the current affairs section. I forget which book it was but there was a double face-out of one of her hardcovers on the shelf and the two front copies were flipped around.

            (*this is from their calendar from a few years ago; I have the page on my wall at work)

  • http://lady-die.deviantart.com/ LizzyJessie

    She claims to be an atheist then states that she believes in all of the 10 Commandments. All of them? Really? Because as an atheist there are a few I can do without.

    1 – I am the LORD thy God.
    2 – Thou Shalt have no other gods before Me.
    3 – Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. (so much for art)
    4 – Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
    5 – Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (well…maybe this one)
    6 – Thou shalt not covet. ( then again I don’t want my neighbor’s house, wife, or slaves)

    That leaves just four Commandments. Honor your parents, don’t kill, don’t steal, and don’t cheat on your loved ones.

    As for the Sabbath? Well different religions have the Sabbath on a different day. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. So…I guess I wouldn’t mind a 3-day weekend.

    • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

      I’d love to keep the Sabbath. It’s good to have a day off when you don’t work. As for #10 I have occasionally coveted my neighbor’s ass. Oh wait….

      • allein

        When I worked retail we were asked for our availability including our preference for Saturday or Sunday (not that we always got it but they tried to schedule people for their preferred day) and I picked Sunday as my day off (which I learned much later was a mistake because when I did regularly work Sunday mornings for a while I discovered it was nice and quiet until about lunchtime and I could actually get stuff done…and by the time the after-church crowd rolled in I only had a couple hours left on my shift). Now I work a regular M-F job so I keep the Sabbath for everyone :)

        • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

          I used to volunteer to work on Saturdays at my last non-musical job because it was quiet and there was no traffic for my morning commute. Other than downtown lunch options being limited, it was my favorite day to work there and since none of my younger colleagues wanted to work weekends I always got scheduled then unless I had a rehearsal. On Sundays I usually have a church job which means other people’s religion makes me have to work on Sundays. LOL That’s only temporary too.

    • Derrik Pates

      Well, technically atheists don’t have any other gods before the Christian god; we just don’t believe in him either. At least by the letter of it…

      • baal

        I’m putting the entire Cthulhu mythos ahead of the Abrahamic God. I’m doing it as a anti-theistic (political?) stand as well as a contra-positive argument / runnning gag. This isn’t to say I actually believe in anything supernatural (I don’t).

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          Hey, why not? Many Lovecraftian Great Old Ones and deities are quite cool.

  • Jane Williams

    “I would never vote for an atheist president. Ever… Because I do not think that someone who represents 5 to 10 percent of the population should be representing and thinking that everyone else in the world is crazy, but me.”

    So, she would accept a ‘christian’ that could push religious views on a 5-10% minority.
    An atheist president would simply try to keep religion out of government as per the Constitution.

    • Travis Myers

      By her logic, you should never vote for a candidate who is from Boston (ever) because people from Boston represent only 0.2% of the population.

  • Lefty

    SE Cupp is an Uncle Tom

  • atheisticallyyours

    This woman sounds like a “wobbler” (a “wanna-be” atheist!). She is NOT MENTALLY FREE ENOUGH to embrace the mentality, or the intelligence required! She need NOT be “endorsed” by anyone that IS an actual atheist!

    • Guest

      Don’t be ridiculous, there’s no mandatory IQ test to be an atheist. Plenty of atheists believe in all kinds of crap like white separatism, misogyny or libertarianism. Statements like yours are how atheist get a reputation for being smug, elitist assholes.

      • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

        That person’s a known troll here. I’m not sure if ze is an atheist or not, but please don’t take hir statements as anything resembling something the community here thinks or feels.

        • Guest

          Thank you for the heads-up, I’ll ignore them from now on.

      • Peter Jordan

        And yet 90% of the comments here express exactly what he’s said, albeit in more mealy-mouthed terms.

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          Without going back through and counting, I think that there are roughly two other comments here criticizing her intelligence, and those are based on her own argumentation on-camera. So no.

  • oaklandj

    Why say you’re “friendly” when you attack people for not believing the exact same thing you do? Why not “Conditionally-Friendly Atheist” or “Friendly on Some Days Atheist” or just change it to be more honest: “Increasingly Angry Atheist”.

    • Guest

      ‘Increasingly Angry Atheist’ gets my vote.

    • TCC

      Are you a smoker? Because if so, I’m afraid you’re in danger of setting that strawman ablaze.

      • oaklandj

        Ooooh, clever. Although maybe I say that because I am a smoker. In fact, I’m smoking right now. And not tobacco. ;)

        • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

          Got yourself some, uh, “catnip”, huh?

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            Basil :) It’s always basil in the bag.

            • oaklandj

              Sometimes I tell people oregano. It’s really dank.

          • oaklandj

            Yep…and kitty’s not getting any of this stuff.

            • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

              Fine, I’ve got my own.

        • TCC

          I would say that that explains a lot, but it would be an insult to others who indulge in such activities and still manage to think critically.

          • oaklandj

            Yes, disagreeing with a member of your tribe seems to draw out the insults. I’m so sorry for not paying proper obeisance towards your Go…I mean, mentor/idol/sage. I promise to toe the party line in the future.

            • TCC

              1) There was no insult.
              2) The problem is that your statement above was a strawman. I said as much.
              3) I don’t idolize Hemant, but nice try.

              • oaklandj

                You said I can’t manage to think critically. That’s an insult. Funny how your type, like most zealots, only treasures the truth when it’s convenient to you, and you’re quick to insult people who simply disagree with you.

                • TCC

                  I didn’t say that; you inferred that. But in any case, engaging in a fallacy is a failure of critical thinking, so it’s a description, not an insult.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      Why pretend you can say anything worthwhile when you are ignorant of the basic context of the issues and yet insist on talking anyway? It isn’t as if criticism of Cupp occurred in a vacuum. Her problem is explained in the article above whose existence enpisses you so. Learn to read, please.

      • oaklandj

        Enpisses. LOL. Can’t say I’m pissed. Just wondering why something so trivial can work up someone’s ire.

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          Reread it, and the links to things she’s said before. She’s getting a national soapbox from which to continue libeling a minority group. She claims to be part of that group, but when looking at the context of her previous statements, it comes across as her pretending to be a member in order to justify her attacks, rather like an opportunistic Dr. Whatley:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yada_Yada

      • allein

        upvote for the phrase, “enpisses you so.” :)

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          Aw, thank you! Well, he didn’t seem enraged and I’m trying to be fairer.

          I said fair-er, quit laughing.

    • cary_w

      So, let me guess, you are a Christian, right? And you are in total agreement with all other Christians, including the likes of the Westboro Baptist Church? Because, you know, all Christians believe the same things, right?

      • oaklandj

        Sorry, I’m not. I’m actually usually sympathetic to atheists against the fundamentalists. I usually like Hemant, but I notice that as time goes on, the bitterness grows.
        I’m not a Republican either, just to head off another line of attack.

  • Larry Meredith

    I cannot express how deeply saddened I am that America loves this woman. She’s on Fox, MSNBC, and CNN. She gets so much credibility and respect from all sides of the political spectrum. As a Canadian, I don’t know how you Americans can put up with that.

    • Derrik Pates

      I think it’s an overstatement to say that “America” loves her. The kind of ignorant mouth-breather watching Faux News might love her, because she goes out of her way to confirm nearly every stereotype of atheists they have or could come up with. Too bad there are so many of them.

      • Larry Meredith

        LOL what? She’s on all 3 major news networks. She’s a host on MSNBC’s The Cycle and a host on CNN’s Crossfire. That is quite a successful career! She has achieved way more outside of Faux News, and it’s very unpleasant that Americans from all sides politically have pushed her that deeply into success.

        • jfigdor

          I have to agree with Larry. She’s penetrated the market pretty well at this point.

        • Derrik Pates

          The people that watch 24-hour news networks are not the majority of Americans. I never watch them. I have a job.

          • allein

            I only watch CNN when I’m eating lunch in the cafeteria at work (which I don’t do every day), because it’s on down there all the time (in English at one end and Spanish at the other). Even then I mostly only catch the headlines on the screen.

    • Oranje

      If it helps any, I didn’t know who she was. But then again, I view 24-hour cable news as agitprop and nothing else.

      • allein

        Me neither; I only ever heard of her because Hemant has written about her in the past.

  • Sam

    I sometimes envy religious people too. I envy having a place to go, for free, where people will listen to you, give you coffee and pretend to care about your problems, and where you can sing pretty music in a nice setting. I envy the comfort of believing the ones you love will survive after you die, that everyone will recieve justice and be comforted. I lack direction in my life and I often feeling hopeless and worthless (I’m being medicated). I wish I could feel like I was on the right side of a cosmic battle between good and evil. That must feel awesome. I envy the holidays as well- I’d like to try celebrating the Hindu festival Holi, or Jewish New Year and Passover. I’d like to believe that everything will work out in the end, that there’s some kind of pattern, that someone up there cares about all of us, even the beggars and poor people. I don’t believe these things. I wouldn’t know how to start believing them. There are lots of parts of religion I don’t envy, like circumcision or not being able to get blood transfusions, but I do know what she means.

    • Meeen

      I’m right there with you. I’m an atheist who is also depressed. Not a good combination when you know the truth of the world. I envy the happy atheists who know the truth but aren’t saddened by it.

  • h2ocean

    “I like that there is a check, OK? That there‘s a person in the office that doesn’t think he’s bigger than the state… I like religion being a check and knowing that my president goes home every night addressing someone above him and not thinking all the power resides right here… Atheists don’t have that.”

    I rather think the opposite: an atheist is only responsible to the people he/she represents and doesn’t have to worry about whether or not their decision is going to get them in trouble with the man upstairs. They can make decisions based on reason and evidence as opposed to religious doctrine. Conversely, thinking that one’s power comes from god, or that one’s presidency, administration, or the nation as a whole is blessed by god , gives false legitimacy to policy and power. God can be used to justify any decision and is a conversation killer.

  • gg

    I don’t believe she is atheist. I believe she discovered it lines her pockets much better to claim she is atheist sympathetic and envious of the religious. One day, she will ‘come out’ as someone who has ‘once again found god’, and her purse will be even plumper.

  • gander

    Atheism, as almost all of here have already pointed out, is nothing more than a marketing “hook” for her. As are the glasses, the mask of intellectualism. They’re both a lie for her, and they keep her in good stead with the crowd she wants to be associated with. But she’s not only a bad liar, she’s not very bright. And that’s why she’s no longer on MSNBC’s The Cycle anymore. Her gig playing the conservative atheist, the smart, perky, young redhead could not stand up to the scrutiny of people that were actually who and what they were saying they were.
    If you watched her much at all, you would see that she had nothing much to add to the show (or any show she shows up on), and couldn’t defend her position when she opened her mouth. She was candy for the camera, and nothing more. Fluff. You could see, on many occasions that she KNEW she was out of her league.

    • jfigdor

      Leave her red hair out of it, you anti-redhead bigot. (kidding)

    • Jacob

      Misogyny: Only okay when it’s directed at conservative women. Most of these comments disgust the f­u­ck out of me, and I’m as liberal as they come.

      • baal

        “I’m as liberal as they come.”
        Hallmark of the liberal? They post multiple negative comments that seem contra-factual in atheo-blogs. Typically against liberal comments. yup, you nailed it.

  • Aroon

    Can we get her to do an AMA on reddit ?

  • Kevin R. Cross

    That’s…strange. I mean, I consider myself somewhat conservative (primarily fiscally), but that’s totally out of my ballpark.

  • busterggi

    “You’re an atheist. Embrace it, dammit! You broke free!”
    Clearly she is not and has not. She’s just having a hard time finding a rational explanation to excuse her irrationalism.

  • Willa Spatz Cartwright

    Oh, c’mon. She’s not an atheist. She’s a christian and this is just an act.

    She setting up for a dramatic conversion story … where she finds “the truth was always there – in jesus”.

  • FPrefect

    She’s being paired up with Newt Gingrich. Naturally, the show will be held to the highest possible standards when it comes to honesty. I’ll just get my news from the internet like everyone else genuinely interested in understanding an issue.

  • Bdole

    “Envy”?
    I am nauseated by how nauseous she is.

  • http://www.agnostic-library.com/ma/ PsiCop

    Can we please get over the idea that Ms Cupp is a “self-loathing atheist”? Nothing she says shows that she could possibly be an atheist at all. Rather, she’s truly a theist, merely posing as an atheist in order to put atheists in a bad light and to act out and/or confirm all the various false notions that a lot of theists have about atheists.

    Her insipid act literally drips with disingenuity. Let’s start calling her what she is: A fraudulent Religious Rightist. Plain and simple.

    • Peter Jordan

      Can we please get over the idea that Francis Collins is a “true Christian”? Nothing he says shows that he could possibly be a Christian at all. Rather, he’s truly an atheist, merely posing as a Christian in order to put true Christians in a bad light by going along with the atheist scam that evolution is real.

      His insipid act literally drips with disingenuity. Let’s start calling him what he is: A fraudulent Atheist Marxist Evolutionist. Plain and simple.


      See how fucking stupid you sound?

      • baal

        I don’t see anyone suggesting Francis Collins is disingenuious or that he is shilling for atheism. He doesn’t put christians in any worse a light that they have put themselves. The key here is that Cupp is giving a false impression of atheists and there is reason to doubt her sincerity in her statements. Chief among those reasons is that her living is dependent upon kissing religious assholes and slipping them the tongue.

      • http://www.agnostic-library.com/ma/ PsiCop

        So you’re saying you actually believe Cupp’s lie that she’s an atheist? See how stupid you sound?

        To be clear: Not everyone who claims to be an atheist, is one. Are you saying you disagree with that?

  • Rationalist1

    Imagine if someone on the left was a theist but really wished they were an atheist. They loved everything about atheism, loved how it didn’t lock one down to a specific moral code, loved its questioning tradition, wanted an atheist president because she wouldn’t vote for a theist, etc. How long would the media put up with that nonsense?

    • Peter Jordan

      If atheists were 70%+ of the population, that would be plausible. RIchard Dawkins himself has said that he hates the whole “Americanized” way of referring to the “holiday season” instead of Christmas, and that he hates secular Xmas songs but loves the religious ones. Google it if you don’t believe me.

      • baal

        I would still look at them funny and ask that they get their minds more consonant.

        Somehow Dawkins manages to not throw atheists under the bus with this statement and while he’s criticized on a number of fronts, I don’t think anyone doubts his sincerity.

  • Justin

    Wow, this bitch is insane. ‘An Atheist can’t be president! They would go mad with power!’ …And the uncountable religiously-inspired tyrants throughout history haven’t?

  • smrnda

    She doesn’t seem to be a particularly bright, insightful or careful thinker; she’s not quite at the ‘meaningless word salad full of buzzwords’ level, but she doesn’t strike me as having thought through her positions or the implications very well.

  • SeekerLancer

    S.E. Cupp is a token for media outlets like Fox News to go, “look we have atheists too and ours think Christians are right about everything.”

    If anyone should be offended, it should be other conservative atheists.

  • NathanExplosion

    Sarah Cupp isn’t an atheist. She is a theist troll who will undoubtedly write a “I Was Once An Atheist” book at some point in the future.

    Don’t feed the trolls.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      No. Exposing her early blunts the impact of her eventual heel turn.

    • Peter Jordan

      She’s already been going at this for years, and has already been confronted with this possibility before (I believe by Penn Jilette), and assured it would never happen. Now if it does, she knows people will call her out.

      • Derrik Pates

        So what? Oooh, she’s gonna get “called out”. After she’s made a ton of money telling the Religious Right what they want to hear about the dirty atheists, and after she’s done telling them “I’m an atheist, but not like those OTHER atheists, I think you guys are right about EVERYTHING, you’re soooo awesome and dreamy”. Big smelly deal.

        Edit: And then she’ll still have her second wind, wherein she has her AMAZING CONVERSION and markets the shit out of that.

  • http://www.devitaylor.com/ Devi Taylor

    I think she’s trying to hard to make herself special. Being an atheist isn’t profitable enough. There’s a million of those people around. But being a conservative atheist..well, just put the pile of money by the couch please.

  • Klypto

    I have my doubts she is an atheist at all. It gets her attention she may not get otherwise by being just another Christian.

  • Rayven

    In my opinion she is not an Atheist. I think she pretends to be one. i think she will have a well publicized “conversion” experience, become the religious whackos’ little darling and start giving testimonials at Tea Party events, ensuring herself a financially comfortable future. I think she’s a con artist. I despise her.

    • Derrik Pates

      I’m just not sure. I mean, I *guess* you can be an atheist and still have that strong a conservative streak. But the “I wish I had faith” and “I would never vote for an atheist president, because he would see himself as a god” BS… that does rather scream “troll”. What is the atheist equivalent of a Poe?

  • DougI

    I’m not surprised she can get a show despite her not being terribly bright. Fox News, despite being racist, will happily pay to put a Black guy on television provided he speak negatively about fellow Blacks. So we shouldn’t be surprised CNN happily pays Cupp to be an Atheist to speak negatively about Atheists.

  • ForgotMyPassword

    I’ve been waiting for this post for a long time. I just can’t figure her out. Every time I see her Bill Maher, I just don’t get what side she comes down on. I’m nothing like Cupp, but I do consider myself one of the few atheists who do envy religious people. I envy their ignorance. I guess the rest of you on here would hate me for that, huh? I didn’t choose to be atheist. It’s just the facts. The facts of the world show no indication there’s a god. But for me it’s depressing. If I could choose, I would choose to be ignorant that there’s no god, no heaven, and nothing after this life. But I’m a depressed atheist. I know there are a lot of positive atheists, in fact there are probably mostly positive atheists. I envy them, too.

    • allein

      I can understand wishing for there to be a benevolent god who will make everything OK in the end (the kind most non-fundy Christians seem to believe in, I guess). I can’t say I would wish to be ignorant, though, or envy those who are. Sometimes I look at the world, and think “we’re all we’ve got”; and then I look at the world, and think, “we’re screwed.”

      I’m a depressed atheist, but my depression has nothing to do with my atheism (or vice versa). I’m working on the depression part.

      • midnight rambler

        My impression is that a lot of those non-fundy Christians and other theists are believers for no other reason than that they want the world to have some benevolent superbeing who will make everything right in the end. Not to say that they “don’t really believe”, exactly, but that a lot of people “want to believe” and can.

        • allein

          Yeah, I would agree with that. My mom’s sister was in the hospital last week, and I was over at my parents’ house and overheard my mom in the kitchen on the phone with her brother (who once told me evolution is impossible, and has a subscription to The Philadelphia Trumpet magazine), and they were talking about my cousin’s father-in-law’s memorial service at a Unitarian Universalist center, and my aunt’s husband was apparently making comments about their lack of religion or whatever. My mom was saying how she doesn’t really care what other people believe; she believes in Jesus and blah blah. Then she made a comment about how he doesn’t seem to be answering her prayers to take away my aunt’s pain (but maybe he is answering them but she just doesn’t see how yet)…and I’m sitting on the living room floor, looking through the newspaper inserts from the previous weekend, and thinking, “that’s because he’s not there…”; but I would never say that to her. :-/

      • ForgotMyPassword

        Hi fellow depressed atheist. I found another way to put it. I envy happy atheists who aren’t depressed by the facts of atheism. The happy atheists who are content with there be nothing afterwards and who are living successful lives now. If I had one of those, I wouldn’t really care that there’s not heavenly afterlife.

        • allein

          I don’t know why someone would downvote this…I get what you’re saying. I’m OK with the idea of this being my only life. I wish I was doing more with it but being a shy introvert with depression and anxiety issues kinda keeps me stuck…

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      Depression sucks. I hope you are seeing a good therapist and/or have medication that’s working for you. *Internet hugs*

  • ForgotMyPassword

    I’ve had a few glasses of wine.

  • ForgotMyPassword

    I would vote for an atheist presidential candidate, though.

  • ForgotMyPassword

    Shit, so I’m a self-loathing atheist? Goddamn it. Even my own atheists hate me.

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    Crossfire? Again? Just what America needs: more idiots screaming bumper stickers at each other in lieu of intelligent conversation.

  • Ray

    So many times people have said on here that “anyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian.” Now we’ve got an atheist whose views differ with most of the atheist community, and therefore she’s not a “Real Atheist.” We can do better than this.

    • http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr/ Christian Kemp

      I agree with you if she says she is an atheist she is an atheist. Been conservative has nothing to do with atheism, just as been liberal or feminist has nothing to do with atheism. We are atheists, and that has only to do with belief in god.

    • http://iamchristianiamanatheist.blogspot.kr/ Christian Kemp

      Oh yeh one more thing, I don’t like her defending religious rights. But I am an anti-theist not just an atheist.

    • midnight rambler

      If somebody claimed to be a Christian, but also said that Jesus didn’t exist and Christianity was evil, would you still consider them a Christian?

      • Ray

        I don’t think she meant to say she believes in God with the Ten Commandments quote. A lot of people think the Ten Commandments are just commonsense moral rules, forgetting/ignoring the first few. To be clear, I’m not a fan of what she said either. But Scotsmen are Scotsmen even if they’d rather be Irish.

      • Jacob

        Replace “Christian” with “jew” and your question can easily be answered yes. Just because someone lacks beliefs in deities doesn’t mean they like anything about it. I don’t like the fact that when I die I’m dead forever, but it doesn’t mean I’m going to pretend to be a Christian.

        • baal

          I’m going to stop replying to you Jacob. You’ve self appointed yourself as the tinsel for this here holiday tree and I’m not feeling the need to repeat myself (unlike you who is rather stuck in the on about it position).

          • Bitter Lizard

            Have it your way. More for us. Just don’t be upset when there’s no Jacob left after we’re done with him.

            • Jacob

              How convenient that you’ve both completely avoided the point. This place is more like PZ Myers’ cesspool every day.

          • Jacob

            “Holiday tree”, oh you sure showed them Christians, buddy.

        • midnight rambler

          Belief in Jesus is not central, or even peripheral, to Judaism. It is for Christianity.

      • baal

        “If somebody claimed to be a Jew, but also said that Jesus didn’t
        exist and Jewity was evil, would you still consider them a Jew?”

        By god i think the answer is YES*!

        (cut/replace, nevermind the semantics change a bit since non-religious jews exist but secular christians are a bit of a rarity)

        *he said while striking a contrived pose.

  • Mark Nichols

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-nichols/my-experience-with-se-cupp/10150428969843139

    My own face to face with Ms. Cupp, though perhaps I should not have previously embarrassed her over a word choice (she couldn’t think of the word currency to describe the euro so I helped a sister out) but regardless, she is either disingenuous, flat out lying, or doesn’t actually take the term atheist to be a meaningful stance. There may be other options, but our public and recorded interaction did not allow for a full explanation.

  • Keulan

    I’m in agreement with all the other commenters here who think S.E. Cupp is not actually an atheist. She doesn’t act like an atheist, she acts like a theist pretending to be an atheist. Real atheists don’t go around supporting lies about atheism and promoting religion. Eventually it will become more profitable for her to portray herself as an “ex-atheist” Christian, and she’ll “convert”.

  • Timothy R Alexander

    I’m sorry, I do not believe this woman is an atheist. Everything she says leads me to believe that she’s a religious person just out there lying.

  • jfigdor

    It’s time for Jon Stewart to murder this show again like the resurrected zombie garbage this Crossfire 2.0 show will be.

  • Tainda

    The only belief she has is in herself. Anything to make the world look at S.E. Cupp is what she does. If it would be more advantageous for her to be a liberal christian, she would.

  • Jade Corong

    weird. Just plain weird. -____-

  • Katarn

    You know what may be the case, shes just super pedantic and honest. We are always saying that religious people are atheists about 99% of gods maybe Cup just hasn’t found that 1% she wants to get on board with and is just being honest, instead of just pretending to believe in one of the other thousand gods.

  • FlyingFree333

    Cupp is not an atheist, she is a fraud paid to deliver conservative propaganda and like all conservatives and theists the only thing she truly worships is the almighty dollar.

  • Joey Heathen

    C-Cup. Is it her porn name?

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      According to one porn name generation meme, my porn name is “Mister Dix”. Just sayin’.

  • painperdu

    She believes the Christian ethos yet she’s not motivated to it via religion. Isn’t this worse than what atheists detest about religion -she is not motivated by religion yet she behaves as if she is?

  • Paul Reed

    *If* she’s for real (and that’s a big if), it would kind of make sense if she’s bought into the whole “religion = morality” thing, and thinks that the 10 commandments are a moral framework that the modern law system is based on. In other words, if she’s not fake, then she doesn’t know the basics.

    It seems unlikely that someone who’s studied religion wouldn’t know this stuff. But then, presumably most of the so-called news anchors have studied journalism at some point.

  • Guest

    I’m some what of a conservative atheist as well, but i think she still has a lot of learning to do about the world.
    While I say “conservative” atheist, I don’t really side more with 1 side or the other politically as I find some logic and lots of fault on both sides.
    I think when it comes to “values” held by either liberals or conservatives. Conservatives make more sense and are more about freedom to do what you will more so than the liberal side is.
    Liberals will scream all day long about their freedom of speech while trying to take it away from people they find “offensive” yet the conservatives will do the same based on religious belief. So it’s really the political values of both are full of hypocrisy and lack common sense.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      This sounds like a criticism of Authoritarianism, which is found in pretty much all circles.

    • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

      “Conservatives make more sense and are more about freedom to do what you will more so than the liberal side is. ”

      WRONG. Conservatives are trying to take away women’s rights, tend to be racist, and are also currently trying to strip poor people of benefits that are needed to survive such as food stamps.

      • Guest

        See, this is the problem with liberals. You think that government hand outs are some how some entitlement you have a right to. I hear this feminism crap like men are so evil, yeah some are. You talk about stripping away womens rights because you need free birth control and free abortions and higher paying jobs and better health insurance. Liberals screaming “we need gender equality” while screaming, “we need special treatment because we’re female”.
        It’s crap.
        On racism. Please. grow up. One only needs look at the George Zimmerman Trial to see who the real racists are.
        More people than ever are on government hand outs, food stamps and Wic, free cellphones and housing for minorities and free college just because of the color of skin(unless you’re white. So who’s racist? People talk about the black people in poverty. It’s never been easier to be a black person in america.

        I said in my post that yeah, conservatives or at least republicans do the same crap to take away peoples liberties and justify it on religious belief. you must have gone illiterate after reading a few sentences. I hope you can read all of this.

        My reason for saying that conservatives make more sense is because they’re not trying to take away peoples right to self defense, they’re not trying to push a agenda to make white people feel guilty for being white. They’re not trying to force corporations to hire unqualified, unmotivated, lazy workers for the sake of “diversity”.

        I don’t vote because there’s really no point. either 1 evil will be in office just as bad as another fighting some sort of cause that pisses someone off in the first place.
        I’m an atheist and I live in south carolina, which sucks most of the time, but I don’t have to deal with the ignorance of living in a democratic, liberal state. I can have my pit bull, I can have my fire arms, I’m not heckled for having a USMC tattoo on my arm called a baby killer and assaulted, like I was at LAX, or like my friend who had a pit bull service dog assigned to him in TX and then when he moved to Denver, a cop saw it in the backyard and just went up to it and shot it. A service dog! Because the ignorance of liberals in Denver has no bounds.

        So many liberals have their history wrong, their ethics wrong and this arrogant mindset of government entitlement which literally makes NO sense.
        Scream all day about how we spend too much on government spending while begging for more free housing, food stamps and free cellphones? please bitch. Get a job. Get an education.
        Even as a disabled veteran who has been forever screwed by my own government, I still have to pay for some of my schooling. I had to get shot and blown up to “earn” that and because I’m a white male, I get no help. I don’t get free anything. I don’t even qualify for foodstamps because I’m on government disability, a wopping $124 a month. I have to work 55 hour weeks to make ends meet. Still can’t afford a dentist. Still can’t afford a nice car, don’t even have 1 right now. I have to work full time just to afford my school supplies and take out loans to cover the rest of the cost of school that the VA doesn’t pay for because the government, which gives ALLLLL this free crap to minorities and women, only has a small budget for White males. Yet I never supported a cause that said “hey I deserve that for free b/c I’m white” or “because I’m male”. So please, play your liberal sad violin of how the government isn’t taking care of you. That was never supposed to be the governments job in the first place.

        You want socialized health care? Please go visit a few veteran hospitals and look at all that quality government care.
        You want racism to stop? Please, if you’re a white female, please, i beg, you go walk through a poor black neighborhood and spread that message.

        This whole idea that there’s a gender issue or racism issue is just a distraction from REAL issues and doesn’t serve a purpose. There are plenty of rich female CEO’s, politicians, actresses, managers and execs that are successful because of their drive to succeed. In fact, any gender or race can be found to be successful if they worked at it. That’s progress. Not this sit on your ass, gimme gimme gimme that is now somehow the liberal mindset of what is “right”

        I do disagree so much with a lot of the issues that have been popping up but I still believe in what I was i guess “raised” to believe america stood for, and that’s freedom.

        Freedom doesn’t mean free government handouts. Freedom doesn’t mean just because you’re a female you should get more opportunities than your male co-workers just for the sake of your vagina. Freedom doesn’t mean you get free government vagina health care. I agree with the phrase “keep the government out of my vagina”. I do, that means the people screaming that need to stop begging the government to pay for birth control and abortions and pap smears and other vag problems.

        I don’t get free government prostate exams. I don’t get free government testosterone checks.

        I fully support same sex marriage. I will never support a gay pride parade. I fully support medical marijuana and industrial hemp. I will never support anti-vaccination causes. I full support the US military, but I will never support politicians sending them too war.

        Too many ignorance, wanna be intellectuals have stolen what it means to be moral. Tell me. What is the difference between the anti-vaccine people and the faith healers? not a damn thing.

        People need to realize that we live in a country where not all communities have the same values. Just because 1 person in office has certain values than someone else, doesn’t mean that those freedoms should be taken away.
        Kids shouldn’t be getting suspended from school because they made their finger look like a gun, or ate a poptart into a vague shape of a fire arm.

        Ignorance drives the liberals, just like it drives the religious.

        So grow up maybe and understand what equality means. Look at the word. Equal. Stop pissing and moaning and grow up. If you want to be equal then be equal, being equal doesn’t mean you get a handicap, advantages and hand outs so you can stand with the people who had to work their asses off to get where they are.

        So i’ll say it again. Grow up.

        • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

          Check your fucking privilege, kiddo. I’m betting you’re white, middle- to upper-class, and have never had to worry about, oh, where your next meal is coming from, or even if you’ll get a next meal.

          • Guest

            I’m white yes. But the most I ever made in 1 year was $23,000.
            Yeah, guess I better check my privileges with all that upper white middle class.
            I make less than that now and am taking loans out for school so I can get a degree and a better job. Something that so many people don’t want to do, They just collect their welfare check and go party.
            I’ve been on the Ramen diet more than once. Love your presumptuous comment though.

            • fiona64

              Privilege isn’t about money, Andrew. It is about how you are treated differently *right out of the gate* because of who you are, or who you are not. As a white male, presumably cisgendered and hetero, you are at the top of the privilege ladder that was *built* by white, cisgendered, hetero males for their own benefit.

              I hope you’ll appreciate that I find your remarks about presumptuous comments ironic, given this: They just collect their welfare check and go party.

              You betray your privilege once again with that remark. The majority of underprivileged people are working more than one job in a desperate attempt to make ends meet.

              • Andrew

                Are you serious? You really don’t understand the concept of a double standard do you? This isn’t 1950.

                • fiona64

                  You need to go read up on this matter. If your college offers a social psychology class, take it. If not, go read the writings of Tim Wise.

                  You have a lot to learn.

                  You are, however, proof positive of the theory that those who are the most privilege-blind are the ones who benefit most from it.

                  PS: When you try to go back and delete your posts, they still show up. They just show up as “Guest” … but we all know they’re from you, sweetie.

                • Andrew

                  Proof positive? so you’re saying it’d be totally ok to have a White entertainment channel? A white history month? A straight pride parade? White college grants? Government prostate assistance? Is it ok to say “I’m proud to be a white straight male!” … I’m not even that white. My grandfather was 100% native american, we used to go the Potawatomi pow wow’s and sweats.

                  anyways. This conversation has been fun. debating these views is like trying to convince a christian that jesus didn’t exist.
                  You’re too naive, too ignorant, too entitled and lazy to think anything other than “gimme gimme gimme”

                • fiona64

                  so you’re saying it’d be totally ok to have a White entertainment
                  channel? A white history month? A straight pride parade? White college
                  grants?

                  The reason for all of those things is that the *privileged* class (i.e., people like you) have traditionally put down those in minority groups … just as you are doing with your posts here.

                  You’re too naive, too ignorant, too entitled and lazy to think anything other than “gimme gimme gimme”

                  And what is your source for this assertion, Andrew? My standing up to your bullshit? One of us has a college education and is a homeowner — and it isn’t you. One of us has a career — and it isn’t you. One of us has never taken any assistance other than unemployment for 10 weeks (unless you want to count academic scholarships) — and it isn’t you.

                  So, who’s lazy and “entitled” again?

                • Valde

                  Oh, Andrew, you forget one!

                  Fiona is also a ‘selfish unborn baybeeee killer’*

                  *well, not really. I mean, she is pro-choice, which I guess, in the conservative mind, is the same as going out and massacring babies

                • fiona64

                  He’s kind of a funny little boy, isn’t he?

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Oh, now you conveniently have Native heritage. I call bullshit.

          • Guest

            Luckily my parents weren’t complete pieces of shit, but unfortunately, I’m going to be the first person ever in my family to graduate college. on my own. No hand outs… So yeah I guess I never had to play “the pursuit of happiness” with will smith in a subway bathroom, but I didn’t grow up with privilege. I think you might need to check your attitude and as I said earlier. Grow up.

            • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

              Oh, right, BOOTSTRAPS!!!!elebenty!

              Fucking Libertarian asshole.

              • Guest

                lol you’re retarded if you really think that there’s a gender issue or racism issue. Please. More like a entitlement issue. This is why conservatives make more sense. They’re not deluded with this pretense that minorities and the poor deserve special rights because they’re not as fortunate.

                Feel entitled if you want. Your sense of self entitlement is going to make you succeed. It doesn’t make you a good leader. It isn’t going to make you any happier.

                Here’s your liberal dream.

                http://youtu.be/a780LGWG7to

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Racist, ableist and sexist, to boot. Why am I not surprised by this…

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  The poor are very different from the rest of us- they have less money.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Special rights?

                  What the fuck are you on about?

                  I’m bloody well entitled to the things I need to live — shelter, clothing, and food.

                  The fact that you think helping out the poor — most of whom are elderly and/or disabled — is some kind of “entitlement” issue is fucking disgusting.

                • RobMcCune

                  Your sense of self entitlement is going to make you succeed.

                  Why? Yours certainly hasn’t improved your situation.

                • Guest

                  I don’t feel entitled. at all. I work for what I have. I’m not extremely broke because my wife and I both work together. She feels the same way. Everything we have we worked for. We don’t feel like the government owes us just because.

                • Valde

                  If it wasn’t for ‘liberal ideas’ you wouldn’t have weekends, you’d be working 14 hour days, and your family wold probably still be sharecroppers.

                • Guest

                  well lets see. As a manager. Nope no weekends, Maybe sometimes I’ll get a sunday off or saturday off depending on the schedule but saturday and sundays are the busiest days so usually never get a weekend. No holidays (except for christmas day) but that’s new with the company I work for now, a few years ago I worked for a company where I absolutely had to work on thanks giving and christmas. People love to shop those days. 7 days of vacation a year. Sometimes my wife and I both work 12-14 hour days. Nice try though. Obviously you don’t know shit about the service industry.

                  I didn’t say I disagree with EVERY aspect of the “liberal” view, but most of it is pretty fucked up. anti-vaccine, anti-male(not equality) anti-white(not equality) anti-straight (again, not equality when you make it mandatory that a 7 year old boy put on make up and a fairy costume and march in a gay pride parade) Also lets look at the new rules with homosexuals in the military. again, I FULLY SUPPORT SAME SEX MARRIAGE YOU DUMB FUCK, but look at the new regulations for the military. Now there is a regulation, FOR ANYONE, straight, gay, married or whatever, that says IN PUBLIC and IN UNIFORM public displays of Affection are NOT allowed. I was actually ordered to charge one of my marines with PDA, Non-judicial punishment for “inappropriately” making out with his wife during a Marine Corps ball. Now if he was gay making out with his boyfriend, nothing would have happened because it’s “anti-gay”.

                  All of these causes are fucking bullshit. It’s a double standard. That’s all it’s ever been. Double standards and a mountain of hypocrisy and the HYPOCRISY of it is what is bullshit. You can’t use the term “logic and reason” with the amount of hypocrisy and all the double standards.

                  Again, on women, if a woman who eats, is lazy, doesn’t exercize and is obese, she should be proud and get herself a “wealthy” fit man who has got his shit together. But even if a successful over weight man gets with a fit woman, oh no, he’s a misogynistic, sexist, pig. The double standards blow my fucking mind. Totally ok for women to cheat (infidelity ALWAYS justified) on their spouses, It’s OK for women to want to go out and “just get laid” but god forbid a man says something like that without again, being called a sexist, misogynistic pig. If a woman cheats and sluts around, it’s because she was unhappy, but society says a man cannot feel the same way.

                  Your double standards are bullshit.
                  I didn’t say I was completely anti-liberal, I agree with legalizing hemp and marijuana, shit we have cigerettes and alcohol.
                  I agree with same sex marriage, I agree with doing, WHATEVER IT IS you want to fucking do, as long as it doesn’t impede upon the freedoms of others.
                  that’s what liberals don’t get. Liberals are NO BETTER than the fanatical religious right.
                  Both are extremely uneducated and ignorant, both are full of hypocrisy, both spout off nonsense. It’s 1 group trying to control another. None of it backed by anything except for “popular” opinion.

                  People wonder why we have so many problems in this country. It’s not racist, sexist rich white men that have run this country into the ground. While there has always been corruption, (like every war america has ever been in) with rich men, it’s not EVERY man. It’s not even a gender or race issue as I’ve said. It’s a PEOPLE problem.

                  Once you get over the facts that there’s NO SUCH THING as racial and gender injustice (i acknowledge homosexual injustice absolutely) but as far as men and women go. you’ll find success with any color, any gender, in America.

                  Of course you can turn on any news channel and hear stories of poverty, injustice, you can’t controll 100% of the population, but these issues are so greatly exaggerated by liberals that it BLOWS MY MIND. So many millions and millions of dollars are wasted on shit that DOESNT matter.
                  Like recently the “assault weapons ban”. Less than 0.01% of GUN crime, a rifle of ANYTIME was used. That includes shotguns and “hunting” rifles or whatever you ignorant fucktards want to call it. Yes millions upon millions of dollars went to fund these useless and meaningless campaigns and they still fucking lost.

                  Demonize the NRA all you want. Make fun of rednecks. you’re no better then they are. At least the NRA has actually taken steps to make people safer.
                  If strict gun laws worked. Chicago and DC should be SHINING examples of success but unfortunately they’re the most violent and crime ridden cities in the US.

                  I’m also not some deluded libertarian as I keep getting called. There’s no such thing as a free market. You can’t have productive and happy workers with no regulation. I get that, but you can’t bitch about the national debt, and crime and beg for government handouts like you DESERVE free money because you exist.

                  Do something productive. Get a job. Educate yourself. Grow the fuck up and stop acting like spoiled little fucking kids who thinks the world owes them everything because you’re alive.

                  7 billion people on the planet. You are so fucking selfish to think that you deserve all this shit and don’t even consider what it is the keeps america going. There are slaves in china, slaves in africa so you can have your hip hop music, you cheap chinese electronics, your fucking iphones and starbucks and liberals do nothing but bitch and moan that certain groups in america aren’t getting their fair share.

                  Grow the fuck up.

                  wow that was a rant. I don’t think I’ve met so many retards 1 day.

                • Valde

                  You know what’s conservative?

                  Feudalism.

                • Guest

                  you must not have any clue what the definition of the word “Conserve” means.

                • Valde

                  Yeah well, neither do today’s conservatives – who support deforestation and abuse of available resources.

                  And yes, feudalism IS conservative. Monarchy IS conservative. I suggest you study the US revolution along with some British history. Conservatism – right wing – were the nobles who sat to the right of the king, and wanted to preserve their power over the serfs. Those who sat on the left – left wing – were more egalitarian in nature.

                  Your heroes of the US revolution were all flaming pinkos as far as the British crown was concerned.

                • Guest

                  I’m not defending that. The founders were snobs who didn’t want to pay taxes, i’m not defending that at all.

                  Conservative ideals though, like I dunno, FREEDOM and LIBERTY are shared pretty much by all, not just America, but America so one of the most LEAST free countries because of liberalism, not because of conservatives. More and more our freedoms are taken away and more and more liberals pass dumb fucking laws based on racism and discrimination.

                  I don’t support the abuse of resources at all or deforestation. Jesus fuck you guys really are dumb fucken ignorant douche bags.

                • Valde

                  You sure are cute, so angry.

                  lol

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  You’re a fucking moron.

                  Our freedoms are being taken away by the RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES, IN THE NAME OF GOD. You’re the ones wanting to strip benefits to the poor, elderly, and disabled. You’re the ones keep voting for lower and lower taxes on the rich, and higher and higher taxes on the poor. You’re the ones wanting resegregation and the “freedom” to discriminate against anyone who isn’t white, male, ablebodied, straight, and Christian.

                  Stop trying to pin that on the people who are actually fighting for freedom and liberty FOR ALL.

                • Valde

                  That is ‘Andrew’ btw, who went back and tried to delete his posts for some reason…

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  I know. I’m not letting him duck out on this.

                • Valde

                  Good.

                • Valde

                  At least the NRA has actually taken steps to make people safer.

                  The NRA doesn’t give a flying fig about making people safer. They just want to make as much money as possible selling guns and they keep you rednecks scared shitless so they can keep making milions in donations.

                  . Liberals are NO BETTER than the fanatical religious right.

                  Extremists on both sides are scary. Not all liberals are as crazy as the RR, just as all conservatives are not as crazy as the RR.

                  If strict gun laws worked. Chicago and DC should be SHINING examples of
                  success but unfortunately they’re the most violent and crime ridden
                  cities in the US.

                  Well they work in Australia and Canada. Many many Canadians own guns – lots of rural farmers and hunters – and Canada doesn’t have the gun crime that the USA has.

                  Australia routinely had mass shootings like you did in the USA before they enacted strict gun control. And now, not only have gun deaths decreased, but overall CRIME has too.

                • Guest

                  That’s completely false.
                  While mass shootings have stopped yes. I would like to point out that EVERY mass shooting in america has happened in a “GUN FREE ZONE”.
                  Also crime went up quite a bit after the banning of most of the firearms.
                  Home invasions, rape, violent crime, robbery, armed robbery, assaults, burglery are up. Some way up. UK and Aussie are still trying to define what a “home invasion” is and people who are defending themselves, even with tools or their fists are losing cases and spending more time in jail than the perp who broke into the house in the first place.

                  I guess the liberal view is “lay down and die”. Because you’re life is worth so much, you should be generous enough to allow someone to take it or rape you.

                  It’s also a FACT that lawful, responsible gun owners prevent more crime and make a safer community.

                  What would you rather see on the news? That a burgler or rapist broke into someones house, raped and murdered them? Or that a resident was able to stop a crime in progress with a gun?

                  I would also like to bring up the FACT that when orlando had a rape problem, in the 70′s i think it was. The police started offering women FREE fire arms training. Rape went down 80% the following year.

                  So no, overall CRIME did not go down. It went up. You can check your facts with statistics sites.

                • Valde

                  I guess the liberal view is “lay down and die”. Because you’re life is
                  worth so much, you should be generous enough to allow someone to take it
                  or rape you.

                  Now you’re just being stupid.

                  It’s also a FACT that lawful, responsible gun owners prevent more crime and make a safer community.

                  Yeah, that’s why urban gun crime is considered to be a huge HEALTH problem by doctors.

                  So no, overall CRIME did not go down. It went up. You can check your facts with statistics sites.

                  The onus is on you. Prove that australia has higher crime rates now, all because of the gun laws.

                • Guest

                  you made the first claim asshole. Do you’re own research.

                • Valde

                  Like I figured.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  No such thing as a “responsible” gun owner, as a truly responsible person would never own a killing machine.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Antivaxxers aren’t a “liberal” problem at all, they tend to be religious nutjobs.

                  It’s not “anti-straight” or “anti-male” to promote equality. That you think it is says so much about you. Namely, it tells me that you’re a racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynistic douchecanoe who can’t see past his own dick to the REAL state of the country.

                  Get fucked, you anti-human shit-stain.

                • RobMcCune

                  Yeah, yeah, you’re the only one who works hard and nobody else deserves what they have, heard it all before.

                • Guest

                  I never said that either. I’m noticing a pattern here. Lots of assumptions. Lots of them. Liberals sure like to guess wrong a lot.

                • Valde

                  I’m noticing a pattern here. Lots of assumptions.

                  Look in the mirror, sweetcheeks.

                  And get help for that anger management problem.

              • Guest

                http://youtu.be/NpY_YG4kNhs

                Your liberal dream is a lie. The people you demonize are the people you depend on. The people you want to change are the people you need. They work their asses off so liberal cunts like you don’t have to.
                You work 80 hours a week and have 55% of you pay taken away because you don’t have kids to go to people like in the video i just linked. You’d be pissed too. Grow up. Stop acting like such a petulant child.

                • fiona64

                  Grow up. Stop acting like such a petulant child.

                  Take your own advice.

                • Guest

                  lol because you disagree I’m the child? must be so easy to call yourself an “adult” with this fantasy you guys live in where your “causes” have been proven over and over again to fail, cause poverty, racism and discrimination, death etc.

                • fiona64

                  You remind me of something I read quite some time ago. It’s a quote from John Rogers:

                  “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

                  Here’s a clue for you, bubbe: John Galt isn’t real.

                • RobMcCune

                  lol because you disagree I’m the child?

                  No, you’re a grown man who acts like a child, please pay attention.

                  must be so easy to call yourself an “adult”

                  It is when you don’t throw temper tantrums.

                • Guest

                  I don’t know. I see an awful lot of liberals throwing fits all the time on TV….

                • baal

                  Feeding hungry children causes death in the U.S.?

                • Guest

                  Foodstamps/EBT is now accepted at fast food places, which now corporations are getting that much more profit from the government… Do you not understand the concept of taxes and corporate welfare?

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Wow, that’s just plain untrue.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Depends on what you’re feeding them…

                • baal

                  Real wages are down by 40% since 1970. If you were worth 10 in 1970, you’re now getting 6. It’s worth complaining about when boss guy is pocketing the difference 4x{number of workers} and his tax rate is half of what it was. i.e. some fat cat got fatter while folks figure out if they pay for a filling or can put gas in the car.

              • Andrew
              • Guest

                that’s the problem with liberals. you’re more ass backwards than any other groups. because i’m a white male. I MUST be racist, I MUST best sexist. you keep pulling these cards. You’re the real sexist. The real racist.

            • fiona64

              on my own. No hand outs

              So, no GI Bill then? No student loans? You’re paying cash on the barrelhead for that education?

              Yeah, I thought not.

              • Guest

                GI bill doesn’t cover everything. It also has a limit. I wanted to get a quality education and the GI bill only covers tuition up to a certain dollar amount so every semester I have to fork out money from my own pocket, but since I can’t afford an extra 3000 every semester, I take out loans. But obviously you know all about how the GI bill works right?

                Also the GI bill doesn’t cover school supplies. You get a $200 “book” allowance every semester. taking 6 classes every semester, that MIGHT cover 1 book, even a used one. Still doesn’t cover even half of the supplies.

                • fiona64

                  So, you are taking assistance … despite your initial denials. Please, at least be honest with *yourself.*

                • Guest

                  I was wounded in combat in fallujah in 2004. I get $124 a month. Hardly a hand out compared to the welfare program and EBT that gets spent now at McDonalds and Gas stations for cigerettes, Dollar menu items and liquor.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Liar.

                • Valde

                  This guy is a riot he is SO SO angry.

                  Tells us not to make assumptions and then goes on about how liberals have singlehandedly destroyed America.

                  Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.

        • Fleet_and_Truck_Pro

          “People talk about the black people in poverty. It’s never been easier to be a black person in america.”

          Really? So you wouldn’t mind waking up in the morning as a black man? I think that living in South Carolina would give you a leg up on the “easy life” of a black man. People won’t think differently of you, deny you job and housing opportunities, take away your Klan membership card, and since you are too lazy to vote, that will even be made easier. Plus when you’re pulled over for ‘driving while black’ you can accumulate all those ‘rewards points’.

          • Andrew

            My friend shawn, (whos black) saw this and can’t stop laughing at how stupid you are.

            • fiona64

              “Some of my best friends are black …” — The dogwhistle rallying cry of racists everywhere

            • Antinomian

              Yeah sure.. Cool story bro..

            • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

              Lies. No self-respecting black person (or person of any other color) would associate with your racist ass, except maybe your inbred buddies in the Klan.

    • Matt D

      Speaking of common sense, if you have a problem with both parties, why would you choose either of them to support?

  • http://adderall-apocalypse.blogspot.com/ Adderall Apocalypse

    Is it fair to say that S.E. Cupp sort of reminds me of, like, the E.W. Jackson of atheists? heh…

  • Mark W.

    You would figure that someone with a Master’s Degree in Religious Studies would understand atheism a little more.

  • Jacob

    Man, you sure are “friendly”, huh? I don’t see her criticizing your particular fashion of being an atheist. If she lacks belief in gods, she’s a goddamn atheist. It doesn’t matter what else she does or says. You already know this, but you’re just being intolerant of her for the sake of it. I guess “No True Scotsman” only applies when it’s in your argument’s favor.

    • baal

      SECUPP seems to dislike all particular fashions of atheist except her own. It matters since she’s pandering to the religious despite her views on the existence of god question. Why is it intolerant to fairly represent her in her own words? Don’t you see an apparent contradiction in being a professed atheist and being in support of the phrase, “I am the Lord thy God, you will have no other gods before me”‘?

    • Bitter Lizard

      I don’t see her criticizing your particular fashion of being an atheist.

      Then you’re an imbecile. She basically criticizes all atheists by saying that being one means you shouldn’t be holding national office, and calls the “typical” atheist “militant” for not sucking religion’s dick hard enough.

      • Jacob

        I said fashion of being an atheist, not things atheists do irrelevant to their atheism. She doesn’t accuse other atheists of “faking their atheism” just because their other political beliefs don’t line up with pre-conceived notions.

        • baal

          She’s not under attack for her political views so much as her inherently self-contradictory views on atheism / religion OR for being an apparent puppet for the pro-religion station.

        • Bitter Lizard

          No, I haven’t seen her accuse any atheists of “faking their atheism”, but what you said above was “I don’t see her criticizing your particular fashion of being an atheist”. She obviously is extremely critical of atheists who are not like her, and the fact that you “don’t see” this even though it’s right there in plain English says a lot more about you than it says about Hemant.

    • Nomad

      The problem is the other things she says imply that she does not in fact lack a belief in an invisible magic man in the sky. She says she’s not ready to believe in such an entity “yet”, implying that she’s trying to get there. That doesn’t ring true.

      On the other hand she has found a very cozy niche as an Uncle Tom atheist for the relgiious world. She tells them what they want to hear. Such as that amazing crap about refusing to vote for an atheist president because being religious would make a president more accountable. Let’s just face it, she said that a religious president would be more moral because he thinks he’s acting in the favor of that same invisible magic man in the sky. The way that many believers seem to feel that their god wants the same things that they do and use that to support their biases instead of, ya’know, actually acting acountable apparently hasn’t ourred to her. That statement was the giveaway. She tipped her hand there, but she doesn’t care because the believers don’t care. Thats what they want to hear, so she tells them that.

      It’s not that atheists are immune to irrational, self contradictory thinking, but it’s just a little too neat and convenient that her irrationality happens to mirror the thinking of believers and that it just happens to qualify her for the conservative rubber chicken circuit gravy train for life. I mean it’s possible that she’s an incredibly cynical atheist who is putting on an act for money, but I find it more likely that she’s a garden variety liar for Jesus.

      But then again you know all this, don’t you? You saw this article that laid out a bunch of points of criticism and you responded to it without addressing a single point that was brought up, presumably because you had no response, but still didn’t like seeing her criticised. Instead you chose to make a joke about the name of the blog. Yes, you showed the strength of your position with that little manuver.

  • German Morales

    she is either fishing for the confused or she is just plainly liying about being an atheist. She just knows that intelligence dictates there is no such thing a a god but then she just can bare the thought of breaking her mommy´s heart
    German Morales

    • David Kopp

      She’s just the character that Christians think of all Atheists. That we’re self-loathing and just want to be as good as the faithful, but we can’t. Almost like Poe’s Law personified.

  • Jacob

    Funny how “No True Scotsman” never seems to apply when it’s inconvenient. These comments are no better than Christians crying about “oh he believes in evolution, he’s not a True® Christian!!”.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      Find us a Christian who makes up negative things about Christianity and all Christians, tells us they get their morality from Humanist principles and from the idea that there is no god, and who gets a paycheck from this persona, and we’ll talk.

  • guest

    “I would never vote for an atheist president. Ever… Because I do not think that someone who represents 5 to 10 percent of the population should be representing and thinking that everyone else in the world is crazy, but me.”

    So it would be better to have a president thinking that everybody else in the world is going to hell?

    • Mario Strada

      Yet, she probably voted for the Mormon candidate?

  • Fleet_and_Truck_Pro

    S.E. Cupp is no more an atheist than I am a Paleolithic Crustacean in need of “tree fiddy”

  • JACruz

    I’ve never had a problem with atheist who are conservative just like I’ve never had a problem with believers who are on the left. However, an atheist who claims to be a skeptic as a reason for being an atheist and yet doesn’t apply that to politics irks me.
    For example: a well known public atheist called Obamacare a socialist project, then proceeded to tell folks he was voting for Mitt Romney because the GOP candidate would not support “socialistic” programs like the Obama healthcare law.
    Living in Massachusetts, I can tell you that Romneycare and Obamacare are the same. The Heritage Foundation, a right-wing “think tank,” created the basis of the Romney health care insurance plan that has been placed into law by the Democrats.

  • rg57

    Cupp: “I got a MASTERS in religious studies”.

    Sounds familiar (e.g. Aslan “I am a professor of religion”). Is this what non-Christians do when they go on Fox and CNN now?

    She’s so embarrassing to watch.

  • T Rizz

    Right Wing bait and switch…,mystery solved. You are welcome.

  • fiona64

    right you dumb cunt?

    There’s the kind of intelligent discourse I’ve come to expect from a typical Randian …

  • Adam

    What is this, the Cold War era? Why would someone believe it’s a contradiction to be a conservative (or any other political philosophy) and an atheist? Atheism is simply the absence of belief in the existence of deities. What the hell does that have to do with one’s political views? “Hey, look at me, I’m an atheist conservative!” SO?

  • _7654_

    An atheist who tries to believe in a sky daddy, and who agrees with most of purported edicts of such an entity sound just as phoney as a three dollar bill. She is not an atheist, rater a theist waiting and yearning for the opportunity happen.

  • Phillip Woon

    Who’s she? Is she relevant? When someone says that they’re conservative and atheist, they’re not atheist. Just saying…

  • Mark Witters

    AINO, atheist in name only.. ” I wish I had faith” means you do believe in something out there, you just haven’t figured it out yet.. kinda like me saying I wish I had ice cream… sorry SC, you’re not an atheist… could be she decide god doesn’t exist around age 16 when all the other girls got bigger boobs….

  • Ian Hall

    I’m a reasonably conservative atheist but I struggle to view the religious zealots on the far right as conservatives – their views are entirely reactionary. Conservatism is a philosophy that, at its heart recognizes that the state exists to serve the needs of every member of society and not the other way around. The god-botherers who want to force schools to proselytize to children are theocratic-socialists which is why their slogan is One Nation UNDER God – the state is inviolable because it is an instrument of the divine. The idiots who demand special privilieges for one narrow segment of society while denying the rights of others are not conservatives, no matter what they may claim, as they’re assigning a selective power to a central authority: the state is a special arbiter in a self-selecting orthodoxy overseen by straight, white men over 50. Barry Goldwater warned us: “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”


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