Pastor Punishes Gay Church Member Because Other Members of the Congregation Are Bigots

Pastor Mark Brewer of Crosspoint Wesleyan Church in Fredericton, New Brunswick had to deal with a potential crisis this past week.

One of the finest members of his church, 20-year-old Colin Briggs, had been a camp counselor and church volunteer for a couple of years. He even went on a mission trip to Haiti in 2011.

Colin Briggs in Haiti (The New Brunswick Beacon)

But he’s gay. And there was a chance that some of the older members of the congregation wouldn’t take that news very well if they ever found out.

So Brewer met with Briggs a few days ago to let him know that, if the church members ever bothered him about his sexuality, Brewer would offer his support and defend Briggs’ character. That’s what their church’s mission was all about, after all: becoming “fully devoted followers of Jesus.”

I’m just kidding. Of course I’m kidding. You know I’m kidding.

Pastor Mark Brewer asked Briggs to stop by the church on September 18 for a meeting. The youth pastor, Nathalie Estey, was also present.

To his shock, they asked Briggs to stop his volunteer activities. They said he was welcome to continue attending church services.

“We felt it would be in the best interest of him and the church if he stopped serving,” said Brewer. This would “avoid any potential uproar that may be caused if families were to find out an openly gay male was working in the children’s ministry.”

And what would be so wrong if people in the church found out he was gay, anyway?

He hesitated, then said, “Having an openly gay male working in the children’s ministry may cause some parents to feel uncomfortable.”

Ah. There we go. Brewer’s concern is that some people in the church might ignorantly link homosexuality with pedophilia… and, instead of correcting their false assumptions, he decided the best option would be to just tell Briggs he couldn’t volunteer at the church anymore.

It’s kind of like when Jesus told the tax collectors and prostitutes, “Get out of here before you make me look bad!”

It’s like that Christian saying: Love the sinner, hate the sin, and then start over and make the sinner feel like shit.

I can’t believe the pastor has no desire at all to correct his congregations’ bigoted thinking. His immediate solution is to make sure no gay person ever represents his church in public. Briggs is still welcome to attend the church, Brewer added.

Because, you know, if Briggs wants to keep tithing, they’ll be glad to have him.

The church hasn’t responded to this article yet, but readers are letting them have it on their Facebook page.

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  • QuestioningKat

    As an atheist, I usually don’t like to give this type of advice….but on the off chance this kid is reading this site. Change churches. There is a Unity in Moncton. They will accept you as you are and have no problem with you being gay.

    • 3lemenope

      As an atheist I give that type of advice all the time. More than a few theists end up attending homophobic, hypocritical, just plain nasty places of worship simply because they are unaware that even within their own faith traditions there are loads better places. Anything to get people moving away from churches that support viciousness and towards ones that don’t suck as much is a win, in my view, not to mention that people who do move away from such churches tend to become much happier.

      • randomfactor

        One of my relatives is actually a pastor in that area, and would be horrified at the treatment this young man received. We have theological differences, but no disagreements about how people should be treated.

    • C Peterson

      Not only should he change churches (obviously!) but he should also stand up before the old congregation to say goodbye, and explain just why he is leaving. Maybe that action will result in a few of the saner, more civilized members leaving with him.

    • Eliot Parulidae

      I went to one of those loosey-goosey Episcopal churches for awhile and it was wonderful: accepting, anti-poverty, and friendly to doubters and question-askers. I felt I wasn’t being true to myself by going to church, but I would recommend it to a believer in a heartbeat.

    • skeptical_inquirer

      I think my advice would be that he can also volunteer with charities that aren’t church-related so there won’t be a stink with the organization about him being gay. Just because the charity isn’t done through a church doesn’t mean that it doesn’t count is how I’d present it.

  • Jasper

    How picture-perfect… valuing the bigotry of a invisible sky dictator over actually doing good.

    • 3lemenope

      It’s not even that. It’s valuing the possible assumed bigotry of some fogey old folks in the church over actually doing good.

      Somehow I find that a lot worse. Gods you can’t argue with; you can either follow or ignore them. They’re silent and invisible, after all, even in the best of times. But people. You can confront people and their bullshit. To choose instead to knuckle under to said bullshit, when its even mere existence is in a speculative stage, is inexcusable.

    • Artor

      Point taken, but I think we’re making quite an assumption that Briggs’ mission to Haiti actually did any good. When you’re starving and suffering from cholera, having a well-fed white guy hand you a Bible doesn’t help much, unless you needed some thin paper to wipe up the diarrhea.

      • Jasper

        Yes, I keep forgetting that evangelicals think that “help” means something different than the rest of us… in the same sense of those parents who “helped” their multiple dying children by praying for them.

        • Artor

          This, or the many people who tithe to their church, and think that they’ve done their part to help the poor & needy, when only a tiny fraction of that money goes to any charity, instead it pays the pastor’s salary, new paint on the church, flying the pastor to “retreats” in Hawaii, soliciting for more donations, paying off settlements to abused kids, etc. ad nauseum.

          • Camorris

            Having been privy to the finances of a small town church, I can verify that the lion’s share of church income goes to maintaining the physical structure (the club house if you please) and to the compensation for the clergy. Funds dedicated to real charity are minor. I expect that many parishioners donate to real charities separately – not through the church.

            • Artor

              Do they? How many? Mitt Romney bragged about how much money he donated the “charity,” but it was revealed that it all went to the Mormon Church, much of which came back as donations to his campaign.

  • Mick

    I’ll bet Briggs is so brainwashed that he will stay with the church no matter what they do to him.

  • God’s Starship

    “Briggs is still welcome to attend the church, Brewer added”
    Well pin a medal on that motherfucker!!!

  • LesterBallard

    Don’t they realize that if he was a pedophile he’d be a priest?

  • corps_suk

    Is it me or is it weird that they would assume a gay male would molest little boys, but they invited a straight female with no assumption she would molest
    little boys?

    Why do religious males have these assumptions? What are they thinking about that would make them fear something that doesnt exist except in their own heads?

    • Jaded

      For the same reasons that they think gay people are automatically attracted to every single woman/man they come across and therefore would ogle those people in communal changing situations (locker rooms etc).

      • C.L. Honeycutt

        If they had brains in their heads, they wouldn’t need it explained slowly and loudly to them that gay people have more practice at NOT ogling for the specific reason that they had to make use of same-sex locker rooms while growing up.

    • Donalbain

      Its the Two Boxes problem. They don’t use the same moral criteria as us where we think about whether something is consensual and safe and so forth.. they just see sex as coming in two flavours: Evil and Good. Good sex is Man/Woman while married. Anything else is evil sex, and someone who into evil sex has no reason to not be into all kinds of evil sex.

    • Drew M.

      I often wonder if it’s a projection of their own pedophilia.

  • Jaded

    This pisses me off so much. As an atheist, as a homosexual and as somebody who works with the Guiding Association.

    I am attracted to women. Wo-men. Adult females.

    All the other LGBT people I know are also attracted to other adult people.

    Not children.

    • C Peterson

      Of course. Any educated person understands that homosexuality and pedophilia are completely unrelated. But “educated” knocks a lot of religious people out of consideration, doesn’t it?

      While true pedophilia has been a big problem in the Catholic church, for various reasons of church culture, it doesn’t seem such an issue in most Protestant churches. Where is their big problem? Youth pastors, almost always men going after teenage girls. Not an issue of pedophilia, but rather of sleaziness and bad judgment. That’s what these churches need to be worrying about, not gay volunteers!

      • Chris Harmon
        • C Peterson

          I would agree that priests having sex with sexually mature boys does not represent pedophilia, and is properly labeled homosexual.

          That said, Donohue doesn’t address the obvious borderline case of adolescence. He doesn’t back up his statistics. He doesn’t explain why gay men outside the church aren’t running around molesting children with anything like the frequency it seems to be happening inside the church. I’m hard pressed to read his “defense” as anything but an indictment!

          • murphy0071

            It is properly named ephebophilia, which is interest in males at or just beyond puberty and is considered abnormal and like pedophilia predominantly heterosexual males are the offenders, prior to the age of legal consent. Representing over 90% of such offenders. The issue is not sex but power, dominance, and control. Read the literature before commenting.

            • Anna

              Where is the dividing line between ephebophilia and adult homosexuality or heterosexuality? It would make sense for early adolescents to be in that category, but how far does it extend? 16-17 is above the age of consent in many places, and some priests have targeted young men in their late teens and continued abusing them into their twenties.

              • Anna

                Why did someone downvote me for that? I’m genuinely curious. Aren’t men who target sexually-mature teenagers properly called heterosexual or homosexual, rather than ephebophiles? I suppose you’d also have to look at their adult attractions, but I would assume that the interests would correspond. It’s a different situation for pedophiles, of course.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Nope, they’re still ephebophiles, regardless of the age of consent or the supposed “maturity” of the victims.

                  Also, you need to take into account the position of power that a priest has over the congregation.

                • Anna

                  I’m not saying these guys aren’t sleazy rapists; I’m just wondering how far the “ephebophile” designation extends. If it’s used to describe anyone over 18 who is attracted to and has a relationship with someone under 18 (but who is sexually mature), it seems a bit problematic to me.

                  Under that broad of a definition, Laura Ingalls Wilder’s husband would have been considered an ephebophile. He was ten years older than she was, and they married when she was 17.

    • JT Rager

      I want to really understand this idea that gay=pedophile. Do people honestly believe that? I want to believe that they’re just equating the two because they hate homosexuality and are looking for reasons to decry it. But I don’t think it’s out of the question that they truly think homosexuals are pedophiles. Which makes me more sad, since it will be that much harder for them to get over their bigotry, if ever.

      • 3lemenope

        Do people honestly believe that?

        Yes.

        Which makes me more sad, since it will be that much harder for them to get over their bigotry, if ever.

        I’d say it is probably the primary stumbling block for Christians trying to get over homophobia. Homosexuals are slandered so thoroughly in many Christian subcultures that they honestly have a hard time thinking of gays as people at all.

        The upside is that the presentation of what a gay person must be as it is given in the church is so jarringly dissonant with the reality that mere contact with a gay person can cause sufficient cognitive dissonance to damage the credibility of the presentation.

      • Jasper

        It’s also a categorical error… a false equivocation.

        p1, Pedophiles are “sexual deviants”
        p2. Homosexuals are “sexual deviants”

        c1. Therefore, homosexuals are pretty much the same thing as pedophiles… if they’re willing to be all evil about sexuality, you know? They’re statistically more likely to be pedophiles.

        They’re all just lumped together based on a single imbued attribute, like my previous employer would lump together anything that wasn’t explicitly Christian as “Devil worship”

        • Michael

          The same thing has recently been going through the lawmaking process in the UK for kinky sex. It’s kinda insulting that they think we don’t notice the exact same arguments as they recently stopped using against gays.

      • midnight rambler

        Yes, they do; not least because for a very long time the only homosexual behavior anyone in mainstream society saw was by pedophiles. When societal homophobia is intense, most people stayed far in the closet and were never seen. There were of course pedophiles who preyed on children of the opposite sex, but there are plenty of examples of non-deviant heterosexual behavior around to counter that.

        That’s why the right wing fears so much the mere tolerance of gay people – just knowing that they’re around and not likely to be sexual predators destroys their real-life (i.e. non-Biblical) arguments against homosexuality.

      • Don Gwinn

        The more they say it, the more they believe it. Eventually you have people like the pastor, who say they have to discriminate against a gay man because so many people might believe the big lie that gay men are pedophiles. Why would they believe that? Because churches have been teaching it for a long time. Bill Donohue just came out with it again–the priests who molested young boys weren’t pedophiles, in his version, because most of the boys were adolescents, which means those priests were gay, because that’s what homosexuality is: adult men having sex with adolescent boys.
        I’m not paraphrasing much; everything after the colon is the definition he gave, verbatim.

      • UWIR

        There’s also the issue of the high proportion of child molestation being same-sex, which, if one doesn’t think too deeply about it (which these people can hardly be expected to do) sounds like homosexuals are disproportionately pedophiles.

    • http://twitter.com/thom1956 Tom Schott

      “-..some people in the church might ignorantly link homosexuality with pedophilia…”<–THIS, the people who believe this lie, destroyed my step-son's childhood. No words can describe how angry it makes me. :/

    • gg

      If you were attracted to children, you would be a p-e-d-o-p-h-i-l-e, or at least an e-p-h-e-b-o-p-h-i-l-e. See, it’s easy, the letters are in a much different order than LGBT. Should be easy for even a child to figure out…. What idiots they are.

  • Lucilius

    You’re giving Brewer too much credit for honesty. It looks pretty clear to me that he’s not really worried about what other churchgoers will think. He’s just attributing his own bigotry to them, because he’s too chickenshit to tell Briggs “Actually, I’M a homophobe – but I’ll still take your money!”

    • 3lemenope

      I think it’s even odds on whether he himself is a bigot or is simply too cowardly to confront the bigots in his congregation.

      • Artor

        My money is on both.

        • 3lemenope

          So is Brewer’s.

  • Ham Salad Sandwich

    I looked at the church’s Facebook page, and they sure ask for volunteers a lot. I think I’ll respond to all those posts with “Unless you’re gay. We don’t need gay volunteers. But we’ll pray for you.”

  • jdm8

    Some churches don’t allow men to help with the children period, because they think men that want to help with children might be predators.

    The assumption with gays is that they think it’s a deviancy, and they think people with one deviancy probably harbor other deviancies.

    It’s just as easy to hide real deviancy behind religiosity, as shown by how many predatorial priests and pastors we’ve seen.

  • Artor

    Yet another example of what a great moral leader the Church is. I have one question though; if the pastor is worried about parishoners making a link between homosexuals and pedophilia, why not worry about the much more obvious, and evidence-based link between priests and pedophilia?

  • Liza

    Gay people need to stop going to churches that won’t accept them. (Believe it or not-but not all churches treat LGBT people this way) There are ways to good for the world and your community without being involved in a church. All these churches are going to do is make gays feel ashamed of who they are. You don’t need a building or a group of people in order to have a relationship with God anyway.

    I know what it feels like to be just another member who tithes, etc. I am a single mom-not because my husband died, which is acceptable to churches, but because I had sex out of wedlock. Shame, shame, shame. I never had a ministry and I was always getting looks from members. The whole “Love the sinner, hate the sin” thing is an insult. They really believe that is what God does. If people don’t accept you for who you are then move on. That is what I did and I feel great! I am still a Christian, just now I’m not all tangled up in theologies that hurt others.

  • Erp

    The church seems to belong to the Wesleyan Church; one forebearer was a group that split from the Methodist Episcopal Church in 1842 over several issues (one of which was slavery, this group was against it). Another forebearer seems to have been early in ordaining women ministers. Later these various groups merged. The denomination is officially against same-sex marriage (though with a large number in Canada one would think they are fairly use to the civil version). They are officially against ‘homosexual activity’ (or any sexual activity outside of marriage between a man and a woman) but also say the church should welcome sinners. The denomination also allows a fair bit of local independence so individual churches may vary.

    https://www2.wesleyan.org/235/a-wesleyan-view-of-homosexuality
    (note Genesis 19 is cited as evidence when any honest reading is that it is rape and inhospitality towards strangers that is being condemned not consensual sexual relations).

  • Fentwin

    “They said he was welcome to continue attending church services.”

    i.e. “You are welcome to continue tithing”?

    • 3lemenope

      That’s how I read it.

      I mean, either you believe the guy is a dangerous predator or you don’t. If your determination for whatever reason is, yes, this guy is just too dangerous to keep around the kids, it is beyond stupid to keep him in the fold.

      So they clearly don’t believe he’s a dangerous predator. They just don’t like gay people. Gay people’s money is still green, though.

      • C.L. Honeycutt

        Gay people’s money is still green, though.

        Unless you’re RW of course. Then the gays need to be ghettoized as swiftly as the law will allow. And publicly, because then you can make up the losses from bigot solidarity.

        • 3lemenope

          What cracks me up about RW is that he’s a lawyer. I still can’t get over a lawyer seeking to be choosy about which sins he’ll help his clients commit, much less which ones he’s willing to commit himself to obey the canons of professional ethics w/r/t obligations to one’s own client.

          • C.L. Honeycutt

            We need to remember to ask him if he thinks that Muslim women should be allowed to wear the niqab when testifying in court because Freedom.

            • Spuddie

              RW is not a lawyer!

              I never even heard him make the claim.

              He may work for one, but he definitely lacks the basic knowledge that even a 1st year Law student has. At best he is some kind of admin who thinks he can learn the law by osmosis. The comment about the canons of professional conduct shows more basic knowledge of the legal profession than RW ever has.

              • 3lemenope

                Well, he has made oblique claims like this, which, if he isn’t a lawyer, are far more obnoxious than they originally sound. Which is impressive.

                • Spuddie

                  I never saw that before, thanks. It’s such an obvious dishonest boast like, “I have a girlfriend in Canada”, and “Angelina Jolie is my distant cousin”

                  I would venture to guess he is a file clerk or a paralegal (but not of the law school attending variety).

                • Anna

                  He has actually made a direct claim before. Here’s a comment from last year:

                  Both at the same time. Getting my masters degree in Biblical studies. And actively practicing law every day.

                  http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/12/16/we-dont-need-to-force-god-into-our-schools-mass-murders-happen-in-religious-places-too/#comment-739688297

                • Anna

                  Another comment from the past, in which he says he practices family law:

                  http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/11/21/did-father-lose-custody-of-children-because-of-his-agnosticism/#comment-248578504

                  Didn’t someone post a link to his law practice once? I seem to remember that.

                • Spuddie

                  So he allegedly practices law (every day) in both family law and defamation law (where he makes millions!) while getting a masters in biblical studies (because high end lawyers always have time to attend night school despite billable hour limits or working on contingency).

                  It is just getting sillier and sillier.

                  Generally as a rule of thumb most lawyers do not reveal their profession online obviously for fear of the ever present, “cocktail party legal advice question”. Plus it leads to the insult “you call yourself a lawyer?”.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  I think at this point he might actually be less plausible than the “transgender Hollywood movie helicopter stunt pilot cowboy” commenter that used to visit here, which is saying something, since his only claim is “lawyer”.

                • Spuddie

                  http://www.rwlawoffice.com/attorneys.php

                  RWlawoffice.com is a tiny firm dealing with transactional law. There is no Robert (last name redacted) working there as either an attorney or on the staff. No family law or litigation in practice of note

                  Of course I am assuming that the two are related. That is not always the case with small firms. Typical website name for a firm is to use the initials of the partners, but there is always commonalities given the sheer number of attorneys out there. Robert (last name redacted) is such a “generic” name that it will turn up lawyers all over the place out of coincidence.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  That’s definitely not him. If you Google the handle “rwlawoffice”, you’ll see on Twitter that he’s in Texas. I didn’t bother past that, because he just wasn’t interesting.

                • Spuddie

                  Just a coincidence. Not an unusual one given the lack of creativity in law firm website names imposed by professional ethics and normal business practices.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  I don’t know about his exact practice, but he’s easy to find online because he uses the same handle in other social media.

                  He pitched a FIT because Cipher found his Twitter while Googling his DISQUS name to locate a quote (which is exactly the same way I found it.) Robert accused Ciph of stalking him… which is of course libelous, not that RW would know anything about how the law works.

                  Later on he pretended that it never happened, until shown the link, at which point he became hilariously quiet.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  This reminds me of that quote Oraxx here made about David Barton, “He might as well call himself an astronaut as a historian.”

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  OMFG, that thread. Yeah, I didn’t make it through the paralegal program, and even I know more about the law than he does!

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Pfftha! I don’t know how I missed that one. So he’s taking credit for his employers’ successes, assuming he isn’t making things up completely.

      • midnight rambler

        Since it’s Canada, their money is still pink. Oh, the irony.

        • AxeGrrl

          Actually, our money is more like a rainbow (let’s pile on the irony!)

          Blue, green, red, brown, purple…… :)

          • http://springygoddess.blogspot.com/ Astreja

            I particularly like the red bills and the brown bills.

      • UWIR

        I don’t think that really follows. After all, if they’re just interested in exploiting him, why are they not accepting free labor? The risk is a bit different letting someone work for you, rather than merely attending services.

  • TnkAgn

    This incident is only truly unfortunate if Mr. Briggs allows it to be. Instead, perhaps he should reexamine his core philosophy of life and take his leave of these people.

    Briggs may also take note of the admonishment from Twain: “Missionarying – that least excusable of all human trades.”

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    I can’t believe the pastor has no desire at all to correct his congregations’ bigoted thinking.

    I can. His congregation’s bigoted thinking is probably the only thing left that keeps the group cohesive. It seems like many branches of Christianity are steadily losing interest in uniting behind what Jesus taught about how to treat their fellow man, and increasingly uniting behind shared disapproval and hatred of selected groups of people.

    “Love” the sinner abstractly, but in real life treat him hatefully, hatefully drive him away, speak hatefully of him to each other, turn your hatred on anyone else who challenges your hateful ignorance and hateful treatment of him, and oh yeah, if you haven’t exhausted your large personal and communal reservoirs of hate, remember to hate the sin.

    Love is a verb, not a hypothetical concept floating around in Plato’s Realm of Pure Forms. We are what we do, not what we think. If we only think loving thoughts, then we don’t love at all. We love as we actually practice love in the real world.

  • C.L. Honeycutt

    Well, the important thing is that Mark Brewer is making absolutely sure that those church members about to die won’t take the church out of their wills at the last minute.

    God forbid.

  • SeekerLancer

    Just something hypothetical that I always wondered: Say you were an actual pedophile who wanted to predate on the children of a church congregation that believes homosexuality is deviant.

    Why would you be openly gay? Wouldn’t the paranoia this would cause among the bigots in the church sort of work against your criminal intent?

    Shouldn’t you be more comfortable with a person who’s willing to be open and honest with you about themselves?

  • Paula M Smolik

    Because, dummy, if he’s gay, therefore he’s a pedophile. Obviously.

  • lmeridian

    Just revisited the Facebook page nearly 3 hours after my initial tirade over there. They’ve almost finished scrubbing clean all the criticizing comments, but have YET to make any statement or reply…

    • benanov

      It’s now deleted.

  • anon from freddy

    This is a church in my city, and I know people who are involved in it and I just don’t understand any of the rationale behind the decision, but then I’m a big old atheist. It’s becoming news slowly, but what’s worse, is they’re taking down comments and banning people from on their Facebook page as fast as people can post. So instead of facing the backlash and story head on, they’re ducking and avoiding the issues. It makes me sad it exists here, especially when we have one of the largest (per capital) LGBT populations in Canada.

    • lmeridian

      D’oh! I’ve been banned now myself! Blast…

      • anon from freddy

        And now they’ve taken the entire page down. So not the way to handle things.

        • lmeridian

          I have to wonder if they really think ignoring the issue will eventually make it ok, or if they plan on releasing some kind of apology. I’d also like to know if this pastor Mark had feedback from the parents in question before making assumptions about their opinions or if he was using them as a scapegoat for his own hangups. Either we have a whole community in need of re-education, or this man alone needs to be confronted.

  • elentir

    They updated their twitter account:

    Clarifying statements regarding recent events: https://t.co/tpgKQlyo6Z— CrosspointNB (@CrosspointNB) September 22, 2013

    • lmeridian

      Thank you for the link. I find it pretty stupid though that he STILL hasn’t presented the REASONS for which the person in question was dismissed. All he does is rant about how much good they do. As if. He is totally disgusting…

      • http://twitter.com/#!/MsWildhack Montana

        It’s the typical reaction of bigots when they start getting the blowback from their bigotry — “Waah! I’m the victim here!”

    • Guest

      Yeah, tried to watch it… all he really says is the “I’m doing a bigoted thing but I’m not bigoted the internet is lying”

  • mywall

    While I can sort of understand why people would choose to be bigots (hating can be sort of fun), I have no idea why any organisation would choose to accommodate that decision. Are these people bringing something to the organisation that’s more valuable than a dedicated volunteer?

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke, TOWAN

    not a faceborg user, can’t see the page. oh well.

    • Anna

      Faceborg – I like it! I don’t know why so many groups make it impossible for people who haven’t joined to see the page.

  • Ryan Elliott

    But of course he could still come to church services. Can’t risk losing those extra collection plate dollars.

  • Sideshow_Billybob

    They have a response. Doesn’t really address the issue but tries to sidestep.

    http://vimeo.com/75162300

    • Sideshow_Billybob

      Bah, been posted already. That’s what I get for looking around the net before checking all posts.

  • Michaela Samuels

    Time and time and time and damn time again, we see this happen in churches.

    Time and time and time and fucking time again, the other Christians claim they and their creed is not associated with hate and exclusivity.

    For all I hear about the free love of Christ, I sure do see a whole lot of strings.

  • Richard Fortuna

    ROFL! I just tried to look at the church’s Facebook page, and it’s gone!

  • kaydenpat

    It’s kind of like when Jesus told the tax collectors and prostitutes, “Get out of here before you make me look bad!”

    Best line ever!

  • R Vogel

    Coming from a Fundamentalist background, with many still Fundamentalist family members, it is not Pedophilia most of them worry about. There may be some, I can’t speak for everyone, but from my experience they would be worried about him influencing theirs kids – leading them astray as it were – because he openly lives in a life of sin. He should properly be wearing a hairshirt covered in ashes and continually flogging himself with a leather thong. (Only a slight hyperbole) It is the same belief that drives the movement against Marriage Equality, even though it would have zero impact on Christians who believe in Marriage Exclusivity. They belief that the open acceptance of a ‘sinful’ lifestyle will lead to the destruction of civilization (I wish I was employing hyperbole, but I’m not), particularly by influencing children. Same claim by Socrates accusers if memory serves. It is just shameful.

  • Rev Frank

    As someone who graduated from Seminary, male, and married to a guy for the last 3 years, I can honestly say, that this is the reason why I decided to say no to becoming a Pastor. God is worth it, but going through all that isn’t. I know that Jesus went through so much scrutiny and so much judgement, but I am no Jesus, and I just couldn’t do it. Shame on that Pastor, shame on him.

  • You Have AIDS!!!

    “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.” – Leviticus 20:13

    Geeze these Christians think homosexuality is wrong just because the bible calls it a “detestable” act & states it should be a capital offense? What a bunch of bigots. Totally totally bigots. I mean we should just verbally tongue lash them for attempting to exercise their freedom of religion (as granted by the first amendment). I mean really fuck those guys for even holding onto some ancient religion which isn’t even in style this year. We should totally throw them to the lions if they attempt to practice their faith. Yeah that’ll totally teach them acceptance…. oh wait, shit. I guess that would actually be a hateful intolerant act. Kind of like how this is “article” is about as open minded towards Christians as the KKK’s stormfront blog is to blacks.

    Wow, you guys are totally not hateful, full of resentment, or looking to settle some old score. Give yourselves a big round of applause! *sarcasm*

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      They’re letting an old, dusty book tell them to hate people. That’s pretty shitty. They’re treating someone badly because an ancient tome told them to. That’s pretty shitty.

      They should be, and are, legally allowed to do this. No one actually wants to change that. That doesn’t change the fact that they are shitty, bigoted people though.

      Please read this to understand why the tolerant have no onus to tolerate intolerance.


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