Should Hobby Lobby Be Boycotted For Not Selling Hanukkah Supplies?

“We don’t cater to you people.”

That was the incendiary reply from a Hobby Lobby employee when a Jewish customer recently inquired about Hanukkah merchandise.

To be clear, the problem (to me) isn’t that the annoyingly Christian Hobby Lobby doesn’t stock Jewish paraphernalia. I’m pretty sure the 561-store chain doesn’t sell glittery pentagrams and cute Ramadan calendars, either. There’s no law that says a store owner has to cater to all demographics, religious or otherwise. (Think of it this way: If I were to open a craft store, as an atheist, wouldn’t I be well within my rights to decline selling decorative plastic crosses or scrapbooking supplies featuring angels?)

However, “you people” has long had an enormously dismissive, pejorative ring to it. The phrase is tinged with its own racist past. Anyone who interacts with customers, especially, would do well to avoid it.

It’s par for the course that a lot of loyal customers are drawn to Hobby Lobby for its tireless promotion of its so-called Christian values. Others shun the chain for the same reason. It’s all fine. In the open marketplace of ideas, everyone has the right to vote with their feet — and their wallet.

On that front, a commenter at the Raw Story has interesting personal news to report:

My Mom is an artsy-craftsy type of woman. Plus she is Christian. We have a running dialogue on religion/spirituality. (I am an atheist.) When I brought [the Hobby Lobby / Hanukkah story] to her attention, she did something surprising to me. She declared that she would no longer shop at the local Hobby Lobby as long as this policy is in place. Do I have a great Mom or what?

I remain unconvinced that Hobby Lobby did anything wrong here (other than hiring an employee who addressed a customer with a highly inappropriate term). But if boycotting the store floats people’s boat, I certainly support their freedom to do so.

P.S. Actually, as my friend Erik S. (who sent me the story) pointed out, you can find legitimate fault with Hobby Lobby for apparently saying that

Mr. Green is the owner of the company, he’s a Christian, and those are his values.

Of course, Jesus Christ was a Jew. In Erik’s words, “Pretending that your holy book didn’t say that Christ specifically was talking to Jews is just silly.”

About Terry Firma

Terry Firma, though born and Journalism-school-educated in Europe, has lived in the U.S. for the past 20-odd years. Stateside, his feature articles have been published in the New York Times, Reason, Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Wired. Terry is the founder and Main Mischief Maker of Moral Compass, a site that pokes fun at the delusional claim by people of faith that a belief in God equips them with superior moral standards.

  • The Other Weirdo

    As a Jew, I don’t care that they don’t cater to Jews. You can’t ask every company out there to stock every bauble that every group might wish. The “we don’t cater to you people” is something else entirely.

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      Have to agree with this. Though honestly, if Hobby Lobby were to immediately force this person into sensitivity training and/or fire hir, that would also solve it. I do not blame the entire corporation for the actions of one employee if that employee is properly disciplined for being an asshole. It’s only if the employee is not disciplined (thus conveying that Hobby Lobby tacitly approves of such bigotry) that I would blame the entire chain for hir actions.

      Of course, I don’t shop at Hobby Lobby anyways because of their refusal to cover reproductive care and sterilization for their employees, so it’s not like they could lose me as a customer anyways. They already have.

    • Atheistiana

      According to their facebook, they are going to test-sell some Hannukah related items in New Jersey. LOL!

      • Spuddie

        The only stores they have in NJ are about as far from a Jewish population in the state as possible in the state. If they plopped a store down in Elizabeth, that would be interesting. (Large Jewish population, small but growing numbers of Fundies)

  • alfaretta

    Too late — I’m already boycotting Hobby Lobby because of their refusal to cover their employees’ reproductive health needs.

    • ecolt

      Between that, the things said about teh gays…

    • Nate Frein

      Exactly. If insurance is part of the wages they pay their employees, why should the employer dictate what is covered?

      • Nate Frein

        The employer isn’t “providing” the insurance. It’s providing access to the insurance. The insurance is part of the wages. Does the employer also get to dictate how the employees get to spend their money?

        But then, given your racist posts on other threads, continuing to debate you would be a waste of time.

        • Nate Frein

          The employer isn’t purchasing the insurance. And even if they were, that doesn’t give them the right to put harmful restrictions on the insurance.

          • Nate Frein

            Wow. “I employ you, so I get to make decisions that harm you”.

            You’re a real piece of work. Racist and misogynist.

            • Nate Frein

              No one’s being harmed by being denied easy access to reproductive care?

              You really are an idiot as well as an bigot.

              All of this is contrary to your original post, anyway. You don’t think the employer should be involved in reproductive health. Hobby lobby wants very much to be involved in it’s employees’ reproductive health.

              • Nate Frein

                You get more and more idiotic with every response.. They’re offering insurance in lieu of cash…this isn’t purchasing. This is equivalent to saying “here’s fifty bucks, now you can buy anything except stuff I don’t like”.

                • Nate Frein

                  In lieu of providing cash to the employee. You’re willfully obtuse, aren’t you?

                • Nate Frein

                  I’m not the one trying to justify making it harder for people to have access to reproductive care.

                • Nate Frein

                  Keep telling yourself that. Does it help rationalize being such a bigot?

                • Nate Frein

                  The only fact here is that you’re a bigot.

                • Nate Frein

                  Keep telling yourself that, bigot.

                • blainehiggy

                  Galton wins this discussion for two reasons:

                  1 – He or she always remained civil and did not engage in the sort of petty name calling that Frein exhibited.

                  2 – The point he or she is trying to make is quite valid. The best way to remove any employers veto over many of the rules that are established in the insurance market is to either separate the purchase of health insurance from the employer/employee relationship (which to me should be the end game of changes to the health care system in the US) and/or eliminate the tax exemption that employer “provided” health insurance enjoys.

                  I don’t agree at all with Hobby Lobby trying to inject their particular biases into the insurance packages they offer to their employees as part of their compensation but the bottom line is even if they get their way none of their employees will be denied access to contraception – they’ll just have to pay more for it.

                • Nate Frein

                  Someone who uses such racist terms as “Obongo” doesn’t deserve “civility” in the first place. And, really…I’m not sure how you can read as

                  Why are you so emotional about birth control? It’s not like you are going to get your boyfriends AIDS infected anus pregnant.

                  as even remotely “civil”.

                  How does it feel to be an apologist for a bigot?

                • blainehiggy

                  I have no idea what Galton’s comment history is like as I rarely read comment threads. Perhaps he is everything you claim him to be.

                  All I said was that his discourse remained polite while yours exhibited the sort of behavior that makes so many comment threads so fruitless.

                  What he was saying here was not nonsense just because you happen to disagree with it. Having a system where most people are pretty much at the mercy of their employer as to what health care plans are available to them creates massive distortions into that market. Employee insurance coverage is either part of their compensation package or it isn’t. Either way, treating it as a non-taxable part of their income adds further distortions into the market.

                  However, apparently I made the mistake of interrupting the mutual admiration society that seems to hold that there is only one possible approach to helping our health care system evolve.

                  Sorry, I’ll let you folks get back to your game.

                • Nate Frein

                  Wow. You’re going to condemn me and praise him without even reading the whole thread, or his comments elsewhere (easy to do, just click his name).

                  So…you have no problem with someone being a bigot as long as they have a soft tone?

                  If that’s how you really are, you’re pretty worthless as a human being.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  I’ll just add that, at the same time he was posting here, he was on another blog defending yesterday’s D.C. shooter.

                  The tax subsidy cannot be removed without causing even more harm without first overhauling the system, which means more government. This is true because group insurance rates are lower, which is also part of why companies can offer insurance. Take away the subsidy, and fewer people can afford insurance. If fewer people can afford insurance, the rates go up for everyone else because the group isn’t as valuable to the insurance company. It’s magic!

                  Galton, even if one ONLY reads his position on removing the subsidy, is espousing a typical anti-government stance of “Fewer everything, let the market fix itself.” His position on other government policies is easy to work out from there, because Libertarianism is not a set with a wide range.

                  Mutual admiration society? Well, if you’re going to make things up, might as well go whole hog.

                • phantomreader42

                  So, as is standard for tone trolls, you could not possibly bring yourself to care even the tiniest little bit about the actual content of what people said, all you’re capable of doing is whining about naughty words. This is why tone trolls are subhuman garbage. You’re not even capable of pretending to communicate, all you can do is scan for naughty words and whine about them.

                • Spuddie

                  What kind of sock are you made from?

                • indorri

                  Civility is overrated. I don’t see how you can “win” discussions by saying horrid things in a pleasant tone and with a nice choice of words.

                • God’s Starship

                  Yeah, if the worst thing you’ve done in life is call a loudmouth on the internet stupid, I’d say you’re doing alright.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Demands for civility in response to nonsense are childish.

                  Galton has no interest in fixing the health care system, which requires MORE government. He has a history here which demonstrates that. He only wants to get rid of the subsidy because of his Libertarian ideology and assume it will fix itself, which would make the health care system worse.

                  And finally, he can’t actually explain his arguments. He can only repeat his position and say, “Nuh uh” over and over again, and that is what you are claiming is somehow civil and superior.

                  So no, you’re extremely wrong.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Oh, and he’s making fun of people dying horribly of disease in order to try to get a rise out of people, in a way that demonstrates that his thinking is stuck thirty years in the past on everything.

                • indorri

                  This too. The minute he started using GRID, and especially as an insult, is the minute Hemnant should kick his ass out of here.

                • Nate Frein

                  Not to mention “Obongocare”

                • Anat

                  If you think Galton was civil and avoided ‘petty name calling’ your reading skills are lacking. This disqualifies you from pronouncing a victor.

                • phantomreader42

                  What the fuck discussion were you reading, blaine?
                  Lying is not civil. Racism is not civil (“Obongocare”? Really?). Regurgitating long-debunked homophobic idiocy is not civil. Willful ignorance is not civil. Repeating the same lies after they’ve been shown to be false is not civil.
                  This is why I hate tone trolls. They whine about civility, but they don’t have the slightest fucking idea what it really means, so they gleefully cheer for racist sexist homophobic lying apologists for slavery. Yet if someone says the word “fuck” they get a terminal case of the vapours?!

                • Spuddie

                  How does it feel to have a hand up your butt when you speak?

                  Do you consider Kermit the Frog a relative?

                • Timothy R Alexander

                  I realize the comments were probally deleted for good reason, but I kind of wish they were still there cause I came in late and am only getting half the conversation.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Jesus Christ, do you really not realize how stupid it was to say that? That’s bizarre.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  “Poor people have exactly as much access to medicine as rich people.” THAT is your argument. It’s a semantics game with no basis in reality. It’s the child in boots telling the frog with a broken back that it should have been born a human if it didn’t want to get stomped to death.

              • C.L. Honeycutt

                I’m going to try a little analogy I’ve used here before and see if it sinks in.

                Imagine that a local retail corporation is the only real game in town for a county. People can work there or they can starve, because corporate behavior has made it so that no one else is hiring and people can’t afford to move. Actually, more accurately, people don’t get hired there much anymore. The ones still there toe the line or they starve, because there are always more people who need to be able to eat.

                The head of the corporation, a True Christian named Mr. Teetotaler, decides that he doesn’t like alcohol and wants it gone from the region where he hangs his hat. Sadface for him, the laws don’t allow him to be a psychotic tyrant over anyone but his employees, so he has to start with them.

                Mr. Teetotaler sends his representatives out to have chats with the grocery stores and bars, to let them know that he’s got the local politicians in his pocket. “If you sell alcohol to my employees,” he has them informed, “I’ll use their weight against you.”

                This next paragraph is especially important, so read really carefully:

                Now, his employees COULD drive an extra fifty miles to, you know, spend their money their way. But then they’d make themselves even poorer, and he pays them shit to begin with. So this means they have to shop at what have become corporate-approved stores with corporate-approved products.

                Of course Mr. Teetotaler gets his way. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have grown up a tyrannical asshole who believes that he gets to decide how people spend their compensation when they’re not on the job. Because insurance is just that, compensation, and this is the same goddamn thing that Hobby Lobby does when it uses its power over its employees to try to dictate their personal lives. Hobby Lobby is not involved at all with reproductive health choices. They are actually interfering in a business transaction between the individual and his/her insurance company.

                THEY are the ones stuffing their heads into private business deals and telling people they can only buy items approved by Big Brother while dangling desperately needed paychecks over their heads, Is it a little clearer now?

                Oh, my bad, there are a few minor differences:

                Hobby Lobby is excessively targeting women, who are more economically vulnerable to begin with.

                Hobby Lobby is costing every employee who needs to be able to use THEIR COMPENSATION more money.

                Hobby Lobby is costing everyone else in the country, including you, f_galton, more money with your their sociopathic policies.

                Repeatedly mouthing unconsidered non-fixes that will actually make things worse does not change these matters. They are not opinions. They are how the real world works outside of one of Ayn Rand’s badly-written science fiction pieces.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  And yet magically all you can do is stomp your foot and scream, “Nuh uh!” over and over, despite reality.

                  Foolish me for wondering if you had two actual thoughts to rub together. Your nuh uhs aren’t even plausible. Apparently you spent too much time tonight imploding tonight to work up any good gibberish.

                  You’ve actually specifically admitted in your posts here to being stuck in 1982. Well, the lack of Google back then would explain your mental deafness.

              • Baby_Raptor

                Of course nobody is being harmed by asshole companies refusing to offer birth control. After all, nobody is denying healthcare to MEN, and men are the only real people involved.

                Plus, we all know women who have sex are just sluts. Real, proper women keep their legs closed until their daddy gives them to their husband.

            • C.L. Honeycutt

              “The sensible thing is to make it EVEN HARDER for poor people to get medical care, thus actually costing everyone even more money while making people sicker.”

      • Fred

        Moron.
        Pregnancy costs tens of thousands of dollars.
        Insurance companies WANT to cover contraception. It will cost them less money in the short term and the long term.

        • Nate Frein

          You’re conflating two issues rather (I assume deliberately) dishonestly. Insurance companies want to give reproductive care to the people they’re insuring. That’s what the mandate you refer to covers. The mandate is necessary because of bigoted business owners like Hobby Lobby.

          The mandate for everyone to be insured is also a bone to the insurance companies, because it means that healthy young men enroll, which is practically free money for insurance companies.

          But I’m pretty sure you know this. Your misrepresentation of these facts is a deliberate ploy to boost your bigoted view.

          • Nate Frein

            Hobby lobby is not an insurance company. The insurance companies would rather pay for BC than pregnancy

            • Nate Frein

              You really are an idiot.

              • Nate Frein

                Oh, I’m reading you just fine, bigot.

                • Nate Frein

                  Keep it up, bigot.

                • Nate Frein

                  I’m not the one spewing bigoted language, :D

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Poor angrums is imploding with the inability to defend his positions. Poor wittle angrums.

            • God’s Starship

              Rush? Is that you?

              • Nate Frein

                We do. You’re the one saying that insurance companies would rather pay for pregnancies than birth control. Anyone with any economic sense can tell you that’s wrong…one pregnancy costs hundreds of times more than a birth control scrip or IUD.

                • islandbrewer

                  No one said that women are too stupid to buy it themselves, they’re saying that it should be included in comprehensive health insurance paid for by employers. We are saying that you’re too stupid to get this.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  No, according to us, the average situation of the average woman declines when employers who hold all the cards abuse that power, and decline more for those women who have to work for those specific employers. And yes, despite your aversion to reality, they are forced to take shit jobs, Ayn. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. There are many factors that you have missed in your blinding, narcissistic hate.

              • islandbrewer

                Why can’t you understand? Employers can’t dictate how employees spend their wages. Comprehensive health coverage (note that word “comprehensive,” I’ll bring it up again in a second), is part of the employees wages. Yes, it has to be through the employer, because the US won’t go to a single payer model. The employer, thus, should not be able to dictate what employees use their comprehensive coverage for (because each employee has different needs).

                Comprehensive health coverage also includes birth control. What part of this escapes you?

                • islandbrewer

                  You want to employers to carve contraceptives out of the health coverage their employees get. That amounts to dictating how employees’ “wages” are spent.

                • islandbrewer

                  But they should cover all necessary and reasonable health expenditures … such as contraceptives.

                • Nate Frein

                  That’s idiotic. It’s cheaper to pay for maintenance than for an emergency.

                  You have no economic sense.

                • phantomreader42

                  He also has no understanding at all of how insurance actually works in the real world. But then, why would anyone expect a delusional racist troll to have any understanding of reality?

                • Nate Frein

                  Neither is free. Nor is my asthma inhaler. A copay’s a copay.

                • Nate Frein

                  You’re an idiot. I can afford my advair because of ACA.

                • islandbrewer

                  Oh, and I was trying to give you an “out” for your homophobia below.

                  Fine, why the racism? Is it because you’re racist, or some other reason?

                • islandbrewer

                  “Obongo” isn’t racist? Fuck off, worthless piece of shit.

                • islandbrewer

                  No, fuck off, worthless piece of shit. You’re up there with the fucking white supremacists circulating pictures of the President with fried chicken and watermelon. You have abdicated any claim to being a reasonable or decent human.

                  Again, fuck off. You’re a piece of shit.

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Racists never are. They consider themselves “realists” or “controversial”, and use trashy bully defenses like “lighten up” in between bigoted statements. They are defective thinkers and vile little people. Like you.

                • islandbrewer

                  Insulin should be covered, too! Glad you could agree with me!

                • islandbrewer

                  I’m not clear on whether it’s covered, but I’ll agree that it ought to be covered. OR do you think it shouldn’t be covered?

                • islandbrewer

                  Insulin should be free, too. Glad you agree. I’m also glad you agree that we should move to a single payer system.

                  I’m much less pleased by your overt homophobia and racism, you fucking worthless lying piece of shit. I’m a little shocked you don’t just call us all “fags” and “niggers.” That’s what you people usually say, isn’t it?

                • islandbrewer

                  For the same reason you call the president Obongo?

                • C.L. Honeycutt

                  Good job of being too dumb to understand the arguments whether or not they are explained to you, trashbag.

                • allein

                  “Copay” does not mean “not covered.” I wouldn’t necessarily have a problem with a copay for birth control, to be honest, but it should at least be covered like any other prescription drug.

                • allein

                  What is it that I am confused about?

                • allein

                  Damn, I really wanted to know what it was, and now he’s gone. I really am confused now… :(

                • allein

                  Um, my friend is a type 1 diabetic with an insulin pump, and while she has occasionally had to jump through hoops to get her refills on time, her insurance covers her insulin.

                • allein

                  Your wording implied that insulin is, in general, not covered by health insurance, which is what I was responding to. And health insurance covering your medication isn’t providing “free” anything.

                • Nate Frein

                  So you relegate reproductive health to the equivalent of, say, cosmetic surgery?

                • Mario Strada

                  Thank you genius. Good feint.
                  How would you like your Geova witness boss to refuse to cover transfusions?
                  The only reason there is even a controversy about this is because the troglodytes on the right cannot stand women being in control of their reproductive rights.

                  Funny how no one has been complaining about Viagra. These people have a big problem with women having sex, but men having sex is no issue. I wonder who they think these men are having sex with.

                  By the way, I would be thrilled if insurance stopped to be tied with employment. And we would be there if the fucking republicans didn’t scream “socialism” and brought the Canadian system as an example of inefficiency (i.e. Lying and cheating about it). Half my family lives in Canada and even the most conservative of the bunch would never trade systems with us. Not even our new shiny one. They are very happy with what they got and what it costs.

                  Our companies would be more profitable and everyone would be covered.

                  Until I see you campaigning for single payer, please STFU.

                  By the way, what does the F stand for? Did I guess right?

                • phantomreader42

                  I see this idiotic claim that employers get to decide what health coverage their employees have a lot. No matter how many times it’s explained to these idiots that the insurance is part of the employees’ compensation, it never gets through. And when they’re confronted with how their fantasy of bosses having control of employee healthcare would work in the real world, they run away. Not one of them has ever given an answer to how their system would deal with a JW boss demanding that employees die rather than get blood transfusions, or a scientologist refusing to allow mental health coverage, or a boss who wants childless workers forcing them to undergo sterilization. At least, none of them has given such an answer without exposing their claims as either self-serving lies or endorsements of slavery.

              • God’s Starship

                Hey, an incendiary reply. We’ve come full circle. We’re back on topic.

                The insurance you paid for is now mandated to cover certain benefits without a co-pay. This does not make them “free.” It means that you are paying for that service as part of your premium. Women earned birth control, paid for it, and it is theirs. They deserve to get it. The mandate exists so short sighted superstitious woman fearing halfwits like the owners of Hobby Lobby can’t come between them and what they’ve earned. Can you see past your misogyny for enough seconds to grasp this?

                • God’s Starship

                  Not if they can’t afford it. You can’t keep mansplaining over this rather important detail. No one can walk into any pharmacy today and get the pill without a prescription, which in any case first entails a visit to a doctor’s office. No one without insurance can walk into a doctor’s office unless they pay out of pocket or are lucky enough to be covered by Medicaid.

                • allein

                  Because all jobs pay a living wage, right? Simply having “a job” means you can afford everything you need. Sure.

                • God’s Starship

                  Also, he now seems to be arguing it’s okay to shortchange women on healthcare if he percieves they can afford to be ripped off a little. That’s his justification.

                • allein

                  Yeah. I guess I should have had to shell out $100+ a month for 6 years of antidepressants instead of the $25 copay I had just because I’m not destitue. (Good thing I don’t work for a Scientologist-run company.)
                  .
                  I tried to put this as a response to a couple of his posts but it seems they have disappeared. Bummer.

      • eric

        They do get to decide. If they choose not to offer contraception coverage, their employees can get it elsewhere. What’s wrong with that?

        You aren’t suggesting that the employer should have the power to decide what some entirely separate health insurance company offers their employee, are you?

    • Kellen Connor

      I was gonna say I boycott them for being a shitty store, but I think you win.

  • JT Rager

    Currently awaiting another boost of Hobby Lobby boycotters. Cue the people who say Hobby Lobby’s free speech rights are being infringed upon by being boycotted. Because as everyone knows, the first amendment clearly states: “If you are a customer for any particular company and they say something you disagree with, you MUST continue to be a patron to that company”

    • allein

      Well, I’ve never been a customer of theirs, so I’m okay to continue not being one. Cool. ;)

  • ElRay

    I’ll echo the it’s the “We don’t cater to you people.” comment that adds a 3rd notch to the boycott belt, not the mere fact that they don’t carry any non-christian religious paraphernalia.

  • NG

    I haven’t gone into Hobby Lobby in years because the Christianity makes me uncomfortable (I can feel the vibe in the air,) plus is so cluttered it reeks of dirt mall. Their treatment of employees with the health plan is disgusting. They also carry lots of cheap plastic crap. If they don’t carry the items you want, shop where they do. Politely let them know why you’re shopping elsewhere.

    It was unacceptable if the employee said that in that way. The original blog was written by a friend of the patron so nothing is first hand here.Though, I can easily see the atmosphere in Hobby Lobby breeding a situation where someone feel comfortable enough to act like that.

  • The Captain

    I would say that boycotting Hobby Lobby over not carrying Hanukkah stuff or even being overtly christian, is a bit silly. However I fully support boycotting them because they are such gigantic fucking dicks about it all the time!

  • C Peterson

    I wouldn’t shop at Hobby Lobby if they were the last pushers of cheap Chinese “hobby” crap on Earth. And there are so many reasons for that. This latest is just another tiny stain on a company that already reeks.

    • Paula M Smolik

      I can’t afford to shop anywhere but Wal-Mart. I’m glad you can afford to avoid the made in China label. $$$$

      • C Peterson

        I don’t shop at Walmart, either. Because it is actually more expensive. As a rule, buying cheap Chinese crap is false economy. If I spend twice as much for something of quality, it typically lasts ten times longer.

        • 3lemenope

          That only works if you have the upfront money for the “something of quality”.

          • Jeff See

            If you put off making a purchase until you have the cash at hand, you’ll soon realize that you would have purchased 4 or 5 of the cheaper trash versions from Asia in that same time frame, spending the same amount of money if you had simply waited and purchased a better product to begin with.

            We aren’t wealthy. We just do qualify, as ‘not poor’. We don’t shop at Walmart, even though, on the surface, it seems the more logical frugal choice. It’s not.

          • C Peterson

            Save. There are very few things that one needs so desperately that buying something cheaply made is the only option.

        • MonyNH

          I don’t mean to an apologist for Wal-Mart (not my favorite place, but often a necessary resource), but I’m often surprised at the number of items on their shelves that are made in the US.

        • Spuddie

          But they are also cheaper on the name brand kitty litter and cat food based on the money saved by hiring a near slave labor force and inventory efficiencies.

          My cat eats and poops well and often because a Wal-mart employee can’t. Its evil but true.

        • Derrik Pates

          Never mind how much we’re all subsidizing Wal*Mart because they pay their employees a pittance and limit their hours, so a lot of them end up on SNAP/TANF/other government food/housing/etc. assistance. The computed subsidy amount for one Wal*Mart in Wisconsin was in the millions of dollars per year. That’s just for one. With all the Wal*Mart locations out there (heck, TWO in my town of < 100k people)… well, I'm betting you get the idea.

      • Baby_Raptor

        I understand how you feel. My roommate works at Wal-Mart, so as much as I hate them, I depend on them to keep a roof over my head. It sucks.

  • God’s Starship

    They were already on my avoid list for their hang up over birth control (Seriously, mind your own business, Hobby Lobby).
    This just shows what a baffling business model they’re following. Why would a hobby store of all places believe catering to the needs of Jewish customers diminishes their Christian beliefs? They’re just a craft store at the end of the day.

  • invivoMark

    Should we boycott Hobby Lobby over this? No.

    We should already be boycotting it for being shitheads to women and to their own employees.

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    I just hope our regular reader who really needs a job to put food on the table doesn’t have to choose between feeding their kid and working for that place.

  • Randy Meyer

    Honestly, from where I sit as a Jew in identity only, I was not surprised at all when I heard that they don’t cater to ‘my people.’ I wasn’t shopping there before this and I really do not see myself shopping there ever in the future.

  • Nicole Bandes

    I agree. The employee’s reaction was way off base even though it is well within their right not to sell religious paraphernalia of any sort. It is also within their right not to offer contraception to women employees.

    As an atheist, I still shop there. I don’t believe it is appropriate to force my lack of religious views on someone any more than it is appropriate for them to force their views on me. Fortunately, this is a free country. If I want contraceptive coverage, I can go out and find a job that provides it or find an alternative. If I want to avoid overly Christian overtones throughout the store, I can shop at Joann or Michael’s. I’m really not afraid that stepping foot in a Hobby Lobby is going to convert me to Christianity and I don’t believe that spending money at their store is going to further their Christian cause in any way.

    • Nate Frein

      No, but it will help them continue to not cover their worker’s reproductive care.

    • God’s Starship

      No, it is not within their right not to offer contraception to women employees.
      Their job here is to provide access to health coverage for their employees, and their employees have a right to decide how to use it. Because this isn’t feudalism. Their employees are not serfs. They actually have responsibilities to their employees because they don’t own them.

      • Nicole Bandes

        Their job? Who determined what their job was? The employees? If the employees don’t like it, they can get employment elsewhere. If not enough people want to work for them given their choice not to provide it, then they will have to look at making a change on their own.

        A serf would have no where else to go. Hobby Lobby doesn’t have a monopoly on the job market.

        • Spuddie

          Who determined what their job was? Various employment laws and a reasonable understanding of the limits of an employer/employee relationship.

          An employee is not chattel property. An employer does not have the right to premise employment on unreasonable conditions or to accept outrageous conduct.

          If the employer doesn’t like it, then they have to run the risk of various lawsuits either by employees or on their behalf by various government agencies.

    • Baby_Raptor

      No, it is not their right to tell me what I can do with my own money/medical benefits.

      • Nicole Bandes

        Who said you have to work for them? If you don’t like what Monsanto does as a company, would you work for them anyway and then tell them they have to quit producing GMO products? Why is our rights to medical coverage so much more important than their religious rights? I certainly would not work for a company that did not provide contraceptive coverage if that were important to me but I have that right to choose where I work.

        There is nothing, anywhere, that states a woman’s right to contraception trumps religious rights. It’s circular logic. “I’m going to argue my right to my beliefs but you aren’t allowed to have your beliefs because my beliefs are more important than yours.”

        This thinking is why Christians hate atheists and think we are all evil.

        • Baby_Raptor

          1) Do you live in America? Do you know how bad the economy is right now? Just switching jobs because one’s boss is a religious asshat isn’t exactly an option.

          2) None of their rights are being violated. Nobody is forcing them to take birth control. Nobody is forcing them to pay for birth control. Nobody is forcing them to change their beliefs on birth control, or even pretend to. Saying “I believe this is wrong, but my employees should be able to follow their own beliefs” does not violate any religious freedom.

        • phantomreader42

          Nicole, religious delusions do NOT grant a magical exemption from the laws of this nation. You don’t get to just declare that your imaginary friend wants you to ignore the law without any penalty. Membership in a religious cult does not grant any right to control the actions of those who are not members of your cult. And it certainly doesn’t grant the right to selectively ignore parts of your own religion and make shit up to get around laws you don’t like, while still taking advantage of laws that are equally at odds with your religion when doing so is convenient for you.

        • Spuddie

          A company does not have religious rights. Only individuals do. The purpose of a corporation or business entity is that it is an entity which is separate in identity from its owners. An employer has no right to impose their religious beliefs on the employees any more than the can premise a paycheck on attending mass.

          Besides, religious rights end where they attack the rights of others. Your right to act on your religious beliefs end when you harm others. By your logic human sacrifice should be perfectly legal since religious rights trump the right of others to live.

          Christians hate atheists when they don’t like to have their dishonesty pointed and hate it when people call them out on treating others like shit.

        • Derrik Pates

          An employer has no more right to decide how an employee uses their health insurance than they do to decide how that employee spends their paycheck. It’s a benefit of employment, not a gift. If anything, with laws like HIPAA on the books, the employer shouldn’t even be able to know what medical treatment their employees get – it should be solely between that person and their doctor, and the insurer as needed.

    • phantomreader42

      Nicole Bandes:

      It is also within their right not to offer contraception to women employees.

      No, this is not true. It MAY be within their right to not offer any health insurance at all to their employees (though if they choose not to do so they may have to pay a fine). It is NOT within their right to offer health insurance to male employees but not to females, nor is it within their right to otherwise discriminate on basis of gender, race, religion, or a number of other legally-protected characteristics. It is NOT within their right to decide how employees may spend their salaries (and yes, health insurance is part of the employee’s compensation). It is NOT within their right to dictate which healthcare services their employees may use. It is also NOT within their right to claim they are offering health insurance, but instead provide a phony policy that does not provide the necessary preventative and reproductive care required to qualify as legitimate health insurance. And Hobby Lobby is neither a health insurance company, nor a hospital, nor a doctor’s office, nor a pharmacy, and thus is neither permitted nor qualified to restrict how their employees do business with insurers or medical service providers.

      Employees are people, not the property of their bosses. Corporations do not get to dictate what their employees do off the job, or withhold medical care from their families as a means of exploiting them. If you think Hobby Lobby should be allowed to do this, then you are not only grossly ignorant of how employment and insurance work, but you are a monster.

  • sara

    I can’t really boycott Hobby Lobby, since I’m not crafty. I wouldn’t over them not stocking items for one particular demographic, but I do think that employee needs some serious retraining. “I’m sorry, we don’t carry that” is easy. Insulting the customer can only have been intentional.

  • Jeff

    Let’s be careful folks. This was an INDIVIDUAL employee. NOT HOBBY LOBBY. They have already tried to make it clear it was NOT the company’s position. Besides, it may be a legitimate business decision. McD’s doesn’t cater to vegans, are we going to boycott that? If we’re going to get pissed at HL, do it because of trying to deny their employees insurance, don’t leap to conclusions that it is the official position of the entire company not to deal with “those people”.

    • Nate Frein

      No, this was an employee and the employee’s management.

      And a google search will show that this is not an isolated incident.

    • Todd Heath

      This is the attitude of the entire corporate structure of Hobby Lobby. Just google David Green and read up about him.

      • Jeff

        And that is the big question. Can they decide not to stock and sell product for a particular group. Bet you can’t find Kwanzaa stuff their either. Or Eid items. So….are we being any different because we don’t like them picking on Jews? Like I said, I don’t shop there because of their health insurance issues. If you don’t want to shop there because they don’t sell products to celebrate Jewish religious holidays, ok.

        • Nate Frein

          No, the problem isn’t the stocking decisions. It’s the dogwhistles that come from both employees and corporate that are a problem.

  • Todd Heath

    David Green and his minions are bigoted and nasty people. Look at their efforts to take over Feed the Children as an example for how immoral these people are. I live in he same city they are based and they have their tentacles all over it. I have quite a few gay friends who work for them and I am close friends with a former executive who is now pastor of a gay affirming church. I can’t understand why these friends of mine put up with working for people that hate them. There are so many better places to work in this town that respect LGBTQ employees.

  • Paula M Smolik

    They’re going out of business anyway. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

    Being offended by “you people” is ridiculous to me.

    • Nate Frein
      • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

        Really.

        • Nate Frein

          I guess that’s your privilege.

          • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

            Was it a good guess?

      • UWIR

        The metaphor behind the phrase ‘dog whistle’ really doesn’t apply here.

    • cathouseumbrella

      Everything is ridiculous to you people.

      • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

        Fine. I have no choice but to boycott personcott you.

    • Matt D

      And?

      • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

        I don’t know what you’re asking. Can you expound on the question?

        • Matt D

          No, I realize it’s not productive to debate personal opinions, so forget the inquiry.

          • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

            Because it appears to be a reactionary, uncritical response to words, with no regard for their meaning.

            • Matt D

              Indeed, hence my previous request that you “forget the inquiry”.

    • Spuddie

      When was the last time someone referred to you as “you people”?
      When you are on the receiving end, it is very offensive.

      • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

        It was Thursday, 3 October 2013, and I wasn’t offended. Remember that what offends you might not offend others. The rest of use aren’t bound by your limitations.

        • Spuddie
          • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

            What is your goal, here? It seems like you’re trying to convince me to be offended by something which doesn’t offend me. I am entitled to my own thoughts and reactions, even if every person on the planet differs.

            • Spuddie

              I am trying to convince you that people besides yourself are offended by it. If you didn’t figure that out, you are just being dense for the sake of argument.

              • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

                I already knew it offends other people. What gave you the impression I didn’t?

                • Spuddie

                  “Being offended by “you people” is ridiculous to me.”

                  Now we are back to square one. The conversation has officially gone up its own sphincter.

                • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

                  What did you expect? You began with a hasty generalization, which later became an appeal to popularity. And for what? — to persuade me into a position I already held.

                  I’m sorry if my words were unclear or misleading. If I’m at fault for the confusion, please indicate where and how. I’d like to learn from any mistakes I might have made.

                • Spuddie

                  You were perfectly clear, just mendacious.

                • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

                  I’m sorry I wasted time responding. If we should meet in another thread, be sure to open with a similar accusation. That should be enough to remind me not to bother with you again.

                • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

                  I was a bit irritated and hasty in my previous post. I apologize. If you aren’t fucking with me — and I don’t think you are — then you must have misunderstood something I wrote. With that said, I don’t much care to resolve the issue. Good day to you.

  • duke_of_omnium

    Personally, I wouldn’t boycott them for refusing to sell Hanukkah supplies … but I wouldn’t discourage anyone else from doing so. And as other have pointed out, there are much more immediate reasons for boycotting them.

  • molyca1986

    I’ve been boycotting Hobby Lobby for a long time. My disagreement with them is they push Christian values on ALL employees and ALL customers. They are a public corporation, not a non-profit, so they cannot claim religious persecution when we want them to be more tolerant and accepting. I feel the same way about Chik-Fil-A.

    • allein

      How do they push Christian values on customers? (I know that sounds a little trollish, but I’m honestly asking; I’ve never shopped there and don’t intend to.)

      • Stev84

        Don’t they play Christian music in all stores?

        • allein

          Do they? I didn’t notice any music when I was in there…then again I don’t usually notice music in stores unless it’s really loud. They were also getting ready to close so maybe they turned it off. The only thing I remember hearing over the loudspeaker is the “we’re closing in a 10 minutes; our regular hours and such-and-such and we’re closed on Sundays” announcement.

  • http://knottiesniche.com/ Knottie

    I am currently crocheting a lace Chuppah for a Gay Jewish wedding. The only place in town to buy the thread I need for it is Hobby Lobby… this story pissed me off so bad I did some online shopping and found the thread at a MUCH better price even with shipping cost.. So stick that Mr.Green.. You lost a customer who once spent a LOT of money in your store.

  • Nate Frein

    It’s called empathy. I wouldn’t expect a bigot like you to understand.

  • Fred

    LOL you’re such a scumbag.

  • Nichelle Wrenn

    I am rather unreceptive of organized boycotts, however I do agree that people need to be aware of stores that have practices that may be go against their values. I recognize that boycotts are two way street: conservatives do it, as well. I would never look down on someone because they shop at a place I do not, I may tell them why I do not but it would end there.

  • Marisa Totten

    I used to go to HL about once a week. But then I got their 4th of July email. Which resulted in me limiting my trips to things I couldn’t get anywhere else locally (which turned out to be surprisingly little) and deleting the app off my phone. Oh, and firing off a rather strongly worded email of my own. That email admittedly ticked me off worse than the Jewish thing. Though I’m not above going into my local HL and asking where the Hannukah supplies are, just to be a butt.

  • Wilyou

    Actually Yeshua was a jew, and a fine one. The term Christ means messiah, which Yeshua was not. He was a great jewish philosopher who wanted to enlighten his people, not start a rival religion. Yeshua worshiped G-d, not the other way around.

    • Artor

      God is a job description, not a name. Go on, you can spell it out. You won’t be struck by lightning, I promise. Also, Jew is a proper noun, and should be capitalized.

  • MG

    They carry all manner of hideous goth crap that vampire wannabes use to decorate their tweenage bedrooms, though. WTF is up with that?

    • Feral Dog

      Twilight brought an onslaught of hardcore Christians into the vampire and werewolf subcultures. There’s forums I can’t even visit anymore due to the Twitard invasion.

  • indorri

    The topic of this title is focusing on the wrong thing. It’s not that they don’t stock supplies for certain religious holidays. It’s that they showed utter contempt and bigotry towards their customer because of their religion and/or race.

    • God’s Starship

      Yes, that did get lost. It’s not that they don’t carry an item. It’s how rude they were to the customer who simply asked for the item. This is really a story about manners.

  • C.L. Honeycutt

    What a nasty little piece of shit you are. I’m sorry I bothered explaining things to you like you were a grownup.

    • Nate Frein

      Your bigotry explains less.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      You’re projecting, shitstain bigot. Say buh-bye while you can.

      • C.L. Honeycutt

        Enjoy being a lying shitstain while you can. Rationality gets the last word. Buh bye, trashbag bigot.

  • islandbrewer

    Why the homophobia? Is it because you’re a homophobe, or some other reason? (I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt for your overt homophobic statement.)

    • islandbrewer

      Ok, so you claim you’re a racist, homophobic piece of shit who is too clueless to recognize he’s a racist homophobic piece of shit.

  • Artor

    There’s plenty reasons not to shop at the Hobby Lobby. This is pretty far down the list.

    • Anna

      That was my first thought. There are a million and one reasons that I would never set foot in a Hobby Lobby. This is just icing on the cake.

  • Artor

    I don’t know of any explicitly atheist art stores anywhere. Is this a secret niche I’ve never discovered?

    • islandbrewer

      And if there is one, would they turn people away saying “We don’t cater to you people!”?

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      Awww, angry bigot is desperate for some support now!

  • God’s Starship

    But there’s no such thing as an atheist craft store. Because that would be as dumb as having a Christian craft store.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      Good job being too stupid to know what an “atheist craft store” would even entail and thus why it would be stupid, bigot trashbag.

      • God’s Starship

        No one said they were stupid. Just that attaching religious significance to their sale was.

        • God’s Starship

          This is so bizarre. You seem to under the impression that businesses and companies inherently share the religious identification of the owner. You might as well be babbling about an atheist landscaping service or atheist dog-walking service.

          • C.L. Honeycutt

            Dawkins, rating himself as a 6, is not absolutely convinced that there is no Dog.

          • Mario Strada

            Indeed, probably you should sell plaster casts of assholes to make sure your ownership is properly identified.

    • God’s Starship

      There are many atheist business owners. The only lazy thing here was that reply.

    • Artor

      Don’t include me in your delusions.

      • Artor

        My people won’t talk to you people. Seriously, get your head out of your ass before you suffocate. That can’t be comfortable.

    • Miss_Beara

      That person said we should open an atheist craft store? Is that like that one commenter a few months ago saying that we should open an atheist hospital?

      • allein

        Hell, that might have been the same person.

  • Carmelita Spats

    Emotional about birth control? Hell yeah! According to Christian lore, the Lard can impregnate ANYTHING, even an “AIDS infected anus”, through His green cosmic goo which in Christian porn-speak is known as Holy Spirit Jizz. Just ask the “Virgin” Mary. Praise! I’m emotional about birth control because if the “Not-So-Virgin” Mary had used it instead of equipping her uterus with a hydraulic pump and a revolving door to birth Yahweh’s semen demon, humanity would be a helluva lot better off. Hell, last May I was thrown out of church for bringing a Mother’s Day present for the Virgin Mary. I brought to church a gift basket that contained a box of rubbers, a cucumber, a bottle of lube, a magnifying glass, fingerprint detection kit, a UV light, and a card that
    said “Next time, wrap it up or just stay home. If you pop out another one, Earth will have yet another religion to deal with. Good luck finding the baby daddy.” Same goes for your mother…You are a shit salesman with a mouthful of samples.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      What’s the magnifying glass for?

  • islandbrewer

    Wow, you are Rush Limbaugh!

    • Tainda

      Damnit! I missed another idiot? That would have made my night so much better :(

      • islandbrewer

        Part idiot, part troll. He may have been intentionally clueless, but he had his libertarian insistence that many of the issues with the ACA would magically be removed by ending tax subsidies to employers.

        And then he intentionally used racist and homophobic insults while coyly putting a finger to his cheek and saying, “What, me racist and homophobic?”

  • EdmondWherever

    My local Hobby Lobby shares a parking lot with Galaxy Hobby, which is MUCH more my speed. I’ve never been inside one. Is it like a Michael’s, or a Jo-Ann’s?

    • allein

      They just opened one near me; I went in a few weeks ago while I was up at another store in the same shopping center, just to see what it looked like. It’s a pretty typical craft store as far as I can tell (though it kinda smelled funny; huge, too – they took over what was previously a supermarket). The wall art section definitely has more Christian-themed pieces, though.
      .
      Even if I were inclined to spend my money there, Michael’s and AC Moore are both closer to me, so on the rare occasions I have to buy craft supplies, I’d go to one of them first, anyway.

      • C.L. Honeycutt

        Lucky dog. Our Michael’s and AC Moore stores closed down. Hobby Lobby took over the Michael’s property, and is now building a second store close by. The smaller crafts shops are gone. I have no idea where to go.

        • onamission5

          The internet? Shipping is a pain, I know, and sometimes you need to be able to touch an item to see if it’s what you need, or you need it right that moment and can’t wait. (I’m looking at you, emergency 7PM poster board) But if you have a couple days’ notice…

          I hate the walmart effect. I would honestly much rather go to several different mom and pop hobby shops looking for just the right thing than to a giant, impersonal one, had I my druthers. Being able to talk to people who know their shit is a major selling point for me.

          • C.L. Honeycutt

            And online selections suck. I did some clothes shopping last month online, then went into the same stores physically a couple of weeks later and found about twenty times as many different articles in my size, and even more than that on clearance racks.

        • allein

          I’m not really a crafter, but I usually go to AC Moore when I do need something. It’s in a shopping center adjacent to another center that has Target and Wegmans, one or both of which I generally end up in at least once a week. (Also they have a PetSmart two doors down where I can go look at kitties up for adoption and occasionally happen upon customers who let me pet their dogs. As I am unfortunately dogless for the time being, I need to get my fix somewhere.) My mom is a crafter so I often get her gift cards for one or the other (or sometimes both). Which reminds me…her birthday is in a couple weeks…

    • Kevin_Of_Bangor

      They have lots of big crosses at mine.

  • God’s Starship

    Now you’re just trolling. Flagged.

  • Kevin_Of_Bangor

    They just opened a Hobby Lobby where I live. I received a 40% off anything in the store coupon in the mail yesterday and I plan on using it to get my daughter an Owl mug she wanted, she also wanted the below. It is an awesome hobby store.

    • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

      Do you have a Michael’s or something nearby? You know they all accept competitor coupons.

      • Kevin_Of_Bangor

        The one we have is in Augusta which is over an hour away. She really did love the mug.

  • Whitney

    There are plenty of reasons to boycott this business. They’ve had a long track record for bad service; the pricing is high every time I’ve been there, and they often don’t carry what I’m looking for. I really wish I could claim to be surprised. I’ve felt so unwelcome in some of their stores I’ve left just to get away from it.

  • onamission5

    Cleanup on aisle f_galton, please.

    • islandbrewer

      Who? It seems I must have imagined and replied to a bunch of deranged racist and homophobic comments. Probably stress caused by the Republican shutdown.

      • allein

        Looks like he’s been cleaned up…

        • God’s Starship

          It seems the cleaners have arrived. I flagged him once.

  • fry

    Boycott them for that? Nah. Boycott them for being seriously annoying Bible-thumping assholes who don’t deserve my money? Oh yes.

  • kielc

    I already boycott them for not providing employees with healthcare coverage that covers birth control.

  • sdfgsdfg

    Does it matter? There are already plenty of reasons for people to boycott Hobby Lobby. I, for one, will NEVER buy anything there.

  • Baby_Raptor

    My two cents: Boycotts are a personal matter. It depends on several personal factors that can’t really be decided as a whole group. How does the issue at the core of the matter affect you? Do you have the money to afford possibly more expensive alternatives to whatever Boycotted Company offers? Can you even find an alternative to Boycotted Company? I’m sure there are other considerations too.

    So it’s really up to the person involved if they want to Boycott Hobby Lobby. I would for this, since religious bigotry is a trigger for me, but I’ve been boycotting them for awhile over other matters.

  • nobody

    I don’t suppose somebody could explain who or what was said in all the deleted comments, it makes it awfully confusing.

    • Nate Frein

      Someone started posting libertarian arguments against employee health insurance and ACA in general. When called out on it, and on his racist behavior in other threads, started spewing racist and homophobic language here.

      • phantomreader42

        And some idiot tone troll claimed the racist asshole “won” the argument because he was “civil*”. Oddly, I don’t recall said idiot being named “kelemi”.

        *no, lying, racism, long-debunked homophobic paranoia, and willful ignorance do not qualify as “civil”, but who would expect a tone troll to be capable of comprehending that?

        • C.L. Honeycutt

          Hell, just repeating oneself instead of formulating a counterargument or leaving it alone is uncivil in my opinion.

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      What Nate said. I did a full page capture fairly late that has about all his relevant comments, just in case he tried a delete-and-deny. I’d upload it and link for the morbidly curious, but I’m not sure how to upload it to an image hosting site in a way that it doesn’t appear minimized to the point of being unreadable.

    • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

      Troll shit.

    • The Captain

      Yea, I really wish they wouldn’t delete that shit around here. Too many sensitive self righteous “must report and remove offensive remarks” censor types around though. I say let the crazy racist troll comments stay to show everyone what the crazy racist assholes position is on things. They only hurt themselves!

      • baal

        The moderation here is pretty light. You have to either use gendered slurs / blatantly racist / homophobic language or little offer nothing but irrelevant, content free, vacuous insults to get removed. Were is one of two post, I’d agree with you but the troll(s) were filling multiple screens with pure crap and lots of it look like one off sockpuppets accounts.

  • Tainda

    So glad I’m not crafty in the LEAST lol

  • sunburned

    Screw Hobby Lobby. I don’t frequent businesses who use *religion* as a sales pitch, PR boost or the like. I as a customer should be oblivious to the owners/board/corporate structures religious bent.

  • baal

    Some of the comments here are nicer to the bigots than the law would be. While the cases vary somewhat, the general idea is that an employee in the scope of their employment is not individually culpable. Said the other way around, if the guy is at work, the employer is responsible for the acts of the employee.

    Since this employer has had many awful statements in the past, it looks to me like this is just one more example of the hobbylobby being bad. Regardless, I’d already be avoiding them like the plague but they aren’t in my State.

  • Michaela Samuels

    Yeah, I already avoid Hobby Lobby because they are pretty much ask for it. I felt similarly to you about this story, though. Could they have given a worse response to an honest question?

  • advancedatheist

    I think the Hobby Lobby employee has Jews confused with the ‘droids in Star Wars.

    http://youtu.be/DIzAaY2Jm-s

  • Dave

    Why are these comments deleted? Anyone reading these pages is intelligent enough to work out whether they have merit or not. And if they are bat shit crazy then the censorship has stopped me having a laugh at their expense by making fun of them. :-(

    • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

      What I’ve gleaned about where Hemant draws the line is that there are certain levels of racism/homophobia/sexism that he won’t tolerate. It just makes for a toxic fight. I didn’t pay too much attention, but there did seem to be a high level of that involved.

      I’ve never seen Hemant delete debates about things like what should or should not be included in health insurance, and I think if the deleted person hand’t included all the racist shit, they’d still be here.

  • Bernhard Rosenberg

    I spent an hour at the Marlboro store trying to help them and spoke to corporate. I do not believe they are anti-Semitic and believe certain people are trying to destroy their reputation. I have suggested sources to obtain channukah items and how to fight the bad press. RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG

    • Liya

      Bernie, in order to destroy the reputation you have to own it in the first place. For a rabbi you really lack discernment ;)
      Hobby Lobby and homophobic and anti-women’s rights. Pigs! They deserve the bashing, and trust me, if they aren’t stopped, then you – or us, rather, I am a Jewish Christian – are next on their list.

  • Cylon

    Hobby Lobby should be boycotted for a bunch of reasons. This just adds one more to the list.

  • SabsDkPrncs

    I once went into Hobby Lobby (after I decided not to spend money there anymore) intending to pick out what I needed then order it online. There was a table setup in the front passing out anti-choice literature and signs saying that contraception is a sin. I couldn’t run out of there fast enough (literally, I was wearing a skirt).

    • C.L. Honeycutt

      I was horrified. Then I LOL’d.

      • SabsDkPrncs

        I aim to amuse. Maybe I can tell this as a scary story around a campfire someday.

  • Ed Selby

    They have NEVER carried “Jewish paraphernalia”. Why is it a big deal now?

    (of course, they store is bursting with cutesy Halloween shit)

  • kaileyverse

    I mean, hobby lobby is not even a store that I would go to begin with, but I don’t think it is the obligation of a craft store (like, where a person could buy the shit they need to make Hanukkah decorations themselves) to sell merchandise representing all faiths.

    • Derrik Pates

      No, and as pointed out in the story, that is entirely secondary; referring to a customer making an inquiry about availability of items they are looking to pay good, green money for with that kind of hostile, snobbish talk is the issue. “We don’t cater to you people”? At least in my world, that would be a firing offense if I talked to a customer like that.

  • Timothy R Alexander

    I’ve been avoiding the store for years simply because I’ve never found a hobby worth picking up there.

  • icebiker

    the issue is the response of the ‘Hobby Lobby’ employee. No need to boycott the store. It would be far better to have a discussion with management.

    • Spuddie

      Or sue them.

    • Derrik Pates

      Assuming the management would consider this a problem. From the sound of things, I wouldn’t be too surprised to find they, uh… didn’t.

  • http://eternalbookshelf.wordpress.com/ Ani J. Sharmin

    Seriously, if someone works in a job with customers (or really, works in any kind of job where they are interacting with other people) they should know better than to say something like that. Just say that you don’t have what the person is looking for, maybe direct them to another place that might have what they want, if you know of one. It’s okay to be a specialty store; it’s not okay to insult random people and alienate everyone who isn’t your target demographic.


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