Customers Refuse to Tip Gay Waiter For Being ‘An Affront to God’

Customers at a Carrabba’s restaurant in Kansas this week said they received excellent service from their waiter — but they refused to tip him because he’s gay. And the hateful note they left him stings even worse than being stiffed:

After the 20-year-old waiter served a couple earlier this week in Overland Park, the hostess, who is also the young man’s mother, found a disturbing note on the back of the check.

“Thank you for your service, it was excellent. That being said, we cannot in good conscience tip you, for your homosexual lifestyle is an affront to GOD. [Gay slur] do not share in the wealth of GOD, and you will not share in ours,” the customer wrote. “We hope you will see the tip your [gay slur] choices made you lose out on, and plan accordingly. It is never too late for GOD’s love, but none shall be spared for [gay slur]. May GOD have mercy on you.”

This is Kansas we’re talking about (albeit somewhat-metropolitan Kansas), so I’m not entirely surprised, but come on. What justifies that kind of behavior? Not Christianity. Not any belief system.

The waiter and his mother aren’t answering questions on camera and are instead deferring to Carrabba’s for official statements. The restaurant says it does not condone any kind of discrimination from restaurant staff or customers, but it’s unclear whether they can or will pursue any action against the couple.

This unfortunately isn’t the first instance of homophobic interactions between restaurant customers and/or staff; in one story from earlier this year, it was a restaurant owner who handed a bigoted note to a same-sex couple, and in another, a same-sex couple was verbally harassed by fellow customers outside a food truck.

There is one silver lining, though. As is often the case with such incidents, the story is going viral on social media and the waiter has received an outpouring of support. People from the area are going out of their way to visit the restaurant, sit in the waiter’s section, and tip him extra, according to news reports. One such customer is Dr. Marvin Baker, a gay former pastor who visited the restaurant with his partner to wish the waiter well.

“I was angry. I said, this is not Christian as I know it,” Baker said.

Coincidentally enough, the hostess who led them to their seats was the server’s proud mother.

“I said, ‘We are here to meet your celebrity. The one who was mistreated.’ She said, ‘That’s my son. Would you like a table or booth?’ I said, ‘Wherever he’s serving,’” Baker explained.

Though he’s no longer a pastor, Baker still leads a Bible study group and reportedly called the anonymous couple’s behavior “ungodly.” (That’s a given.)

“This does not represent Christianity. I called them Pharisees,” he said. “God really loves us. And God does not advertise or promote hate. That is not love.”

Baker said the server indicated to him that he appreciated the support. They agreed that gays experience too much rejection and hurt, and that “it is nice to know that someone cares.”

It’s certainly up for debate whether or not this “represents Christianity,” as Christianity seems to be at the root of so many hateful interactions between LGBT individuals and strangers who feel entitled to publicly harass and humiliate them. What’s crystal clear is that this server didn’t deserve to be treated so horrifically — nobody does — and his community is doing an impressive job of standing up for him.

About Camille Beredjick

Camille is a twentysomething working in the LGBT nonprofit industry. She runs an LGBT news blog at gaywrites.org.

  • Gus

    So they’ll let him serve them, but won’t pay him? How about the sub-minimum wage pay he gets anyway? What about the gay chef or line cook or software developer or engineer who made their phone? If they want to be bigots and not pay for service received (and as long as servers are paid below minimum wage, it’s fair pay for service received, not extra generosity) then they should have walked out before they ordered. Or if they didn’t know he was gay (and how did they “know” or did they just guess?) then they should have paid for what they had ordered and left immediately.

    No, they wanted to actually punish him, regardless of their own hypocrisy. This is disgusting and people who hate LGTB people that much probably should avoid eating in restaurants. Surely they’ve tipped gay servers before.

  • Paula M Marshall

    So they let him serve them anyway? I would think people like that would take one look at him and immediately demand seats in another section. They’ll let him touch their food and their silverware? Then don’t give him a tip? Scum.

    • ShoeUnited

      You can’t berate a lesson onto to somebody by avoiding them. How else can your get your superiority fix? Sure, persecution can pay off later. And I’m sure if they ever get found out they’ll scream for it; but you can’t get that same level of smug self-satisfaction than you can by cockslapping someone’s feeling because they are different.

      • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

        Exactly. It’s not enough for people like this to be bigots, they have to be assholes about it as well. You used to get similar attitudes towards women and minorities as well. Maybe people still do that as well. it’s very sad. I can’t imagine. I get Jesusy people waiting on me all the time. I’d never stiff them or be rude to them. They have every right to live as they want. I only care that they do their job well.

    • EdmondWherever

      But if they went with a heterosexual waiter, what excuse would they have to stiff HIM? Surely you can see the pickle they were in!

      • Tor

        Any excuse to save 20% (in their case, 4%) of the bill.

      • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

        Didn’t a story just blow up earlier this year about how badly the after-church crowd tips? Some even leave religious tracts in lieu of a tip. Ever since then I’ve added on a little extra to all my tips.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    I can’t blame the couple. After all there are several references to not tipping in the bible. Remember, when Jesus said, “Whatever you do onto the least of you, you do onto me, unless it’s your server and your server is gay, then it’s 5% at most.” And who can forget the beatitude, “Blessed are those who do not tip, for they shall receive the soup with the spit.”

    • CassandraJK

      Yea, verily, thou shalt love the sinner, but forbidden is showing thy love with reasonable gratuities.

    • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

      Whatever would we do without having the bible to answer all our moral quandaries…

      • WallofSleep

        Fuck. I guess we’d have to start thinking for ourselves. Nobody wants to do that.

        • Mark W.

          Whoa, whoa whoa…whoa. Lets not be hasty now, put down the book and get back to watching reality TV.

          • WallofSleep

            Oh dear. Fuck MTV for starting that shit.

      • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

        I think I would resort to making shit up.

        • closetatheist

          isn’t that how this whole shit storm got started?

    • Mark W.

      “And there came a time amongst the people when their stupidity and hypocrisy was viewed instantly by the multitudes, for the angels of Computation and Social Media did fly as the wind across the land.”

      The Book of Face, Chapter 1, Twitter-Verse 1

      • Charlie Hall

        Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn!!! lol

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

      I hesitate to remind those believers what their bigoted bible actually says about how homosexuals should be treated.

      • Tor

        Unfortunate, but true.

      • James Coward

        A lot of my gay friends regularly get stoned. Usually on a Friday night after a night out in the pub. Maybe not stoned to death, but I understand they give it a good effort…

  • Tainda

    I live about 30 minutes from OP and may just go eat dinner there tonight! I’m sure his section is very busy now though.

    What irks me even more is that they said they received excellent service. I so wish I had been there to tell them off because I’m sure he is too much of a good employee and gentleman to do it himself.

    • JuneAbend

      Wrong on many levels, of course, but please don’t think of these scumbags as representing my hometown of Overland Park, a warm, decent, friendly, and fairly sophisticated bedroom community of Kansas City. Beyond that, how in the hell would these troglodytes have known that a stranger was gay? Effeminate appearance or mannerisms (by mainstream stereotypes) might show…but WTF…how does “gay” show? Grrrrrr. Also, the censoring down to “gay slur” in the article gives these people a modicum of cover…let their ugly words show, they own them.

      • WallofSleep

        I discovered at one job that I have absolutely no gaydar, or if I do, it is seriously malfunctioning. I could no more pick a homosexual out of a crowd than I could shit a literal, purple twinkie.

        “Also, the censoring down to “gay slur” in the article gives these people a modicum of cover…let their ugly words show, they own them.”

        Indeed. I agree 100%.

        • Tor

          I’m gay, and my gaydar is so bad that I think every male I meet is gay, too. Fortunately, I’ve learned to not make passses or comments without knowing for sure.

          BTW, you should see the purple Twinkie I shat out this morning. :-)

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            I’m straight and I’ve gotten far more passes from men than women in my life. Although, that could be because men are more overt about it, and I’m frankly dense.

            • WallofSleep

              “I’m frankly dense.”

              You and me both, brother. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve chatted with a female, only to realize an hour or more latter “Damnnit! I think that woman was trying to get me in the sack”.

          • Scott

            Don’t be modest, I heard you gays could shat out rainbow twinkies ;)

          • Dan Robinson

            I think every guy I meet is gay too. I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s just wishful thinking.

          • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

            I have fairly good gaydar but I’d never come right out and say something before I knew whether the guys was out or not and certainly wouldn’t use it to hurl insults.

        • closetatheist

          Funny story. a few weeks into a new job a couple of giggling girls asked me who in the office I thought was gay. Not feeling comfortable enough to tell them to fuck off I picked the leastest gay dude I could think of, who was currently in the room with us and loudly proclaimed, “Kyle, Kyle is gay.” I thought that would make the girls feel dumb because I gave a silly answer and be something I could laugh about with the guys later. Turns out Kyle WAS gay, hadn’t come out yet and then had mental anxiety for a few days wondering if everyone already knew what he hadn’t told them….and then he came out…and I felt like a giant dick. Then everyone congratulated me on my gaydar, which, ironically, wasn’t working well and that’s the only reason I pegged Kyle as gay.

        • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

          Agreed. I’m gay and I’m more offended by editing it out than I am by quoting the word. Let it be shown exactly what they said. Editing it out only helps the assholes who used the word.

      • cyngus

        They wrote in the name of God and not as representing Overland Park. Search for those who represent God in your hometown.

      • Tainda

        As I said, I live in the kc area and know exactly what Overland Park is about

      • Stev84

        Some stereotypes exist because there a certain amount of truth to them.

        There are gay people who couldn’t hide it if they wanted to. With men for example, if someone is effeminate or flamboyant that’s not an act they are conscious about, but just how they move around for some reason. Those stereotypical gay hand gestures for example? Some people actually are like that.

        • Anat

          Unless they learn to behave that way by hanging around gay people or watching them on TV.

    • Tor

      He probably did not find out until after they had left. Such is the nature of “tipping.”

  • God’s Starship

    Freeloading for Jesus.

  • Timmah

    Here is the million dollar question: How did they KNOW?

    • ShoeUnited

      Some people can be more flamboyant by voice or mannerism by nature. Life seems to like grading things on a curve.

    • C Peterson

      With such vehement feelings, I wouldn’t be surprised if the male member of the couple was a repressed homosexual himself. So he might have finely tuned gaydar. And as good Christians, the woman was just being subservient to her husband. If she had an opinion on the matter, if was of no consequence.

      • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

        I used to resist that hypothesis, but so many anti-gay bigots have been outed in recent years that there’s a good bit of evidence. I have a lot of straight male friends. They could care less who I sleep with. They aren’t threatened because they aren’t gay and it’s not like they can catch it or something. It’s the men who aren’t comfortable with their own sexuality. Maybe they aren’t gay but perhaps just a little big bisexual in their attractions and it freaks them out. They then externalize their attempts to suppress those feelings and Ted Haggard. Or name someone else. Seriously why else would people be so freaked out by gay people. Yes, people do all kinds of things that I think are icky but I don’t make a career out of crusading against it. I’m not into bondage but chacun a son gout!

    • Tor

      Rainbow patterned Mohawk?

    • Eric Moody

      He was probably wearing his sticker. :D

  • ShoeUnited

    Not only is it an argument about this being christian or not (no true christian), but there’s even argument about whether Jesus was himself a pharisee (no true pharisee?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees#Pharisees_and_Christianity

    Still, good on the people who are decrying this.

  • C Peterson

    It’s certainly up for debate whether or not this “represents Christianity,” as Christianity seems to be at the root of so many hateful interactions between LGBT individuals and strangers who feel entitled to publicly harass and humiliate them.

    Christianity can’t really be represented by anything, since there is no such thing as a coherent Christian philosophy. Christianity encompasses a vast range of different ideas, ethics, and opinions.

    This particular incident does, however, represent a significant subset of Christianity, which is particularly found in parts of the U.S., including Kansas.

    • Intelligent Donkey

      I’d argue that it’s bigotry in the name of Christianity. Bigots will be bigots, and some justify their bigotry with “holy” books.

      • C Peterson

        No, it’s bigotry in the name of one subset of Christianity. There is no single belief shared by all Christians that automatically engenders bigotry. There are many sects of Christianity that do, however.

      • Nox

        And occasionally “holy” books create bigots.

  • CriticalThunker

    Fuck these people in particular.

    • WallofSleep

      I don’t know why, but the “in particular” part up there actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.

      • CriticalThunker

        :)

  • CassandraJK

    This reminds of an incident that occurred over ten years ago to me. I was serving in an upscale restaurant in the suburbs, and one of my coworkers was a young man who was prone to making casual, homophobic remarks. He wanted to work downtown, so I looked him in the eye and told him that if he did, as a hetero male he would be in the minority and he’d best get over himself real fast.
    These morons for Jesus need to be shaken severely and told basically the same thing. If they dine out in certain restaurants there’s a pretty good chance that their server is gay. If this town is anything like my city, all the servers at the various restaurants know each other and word will get out rather quickly and these douchebags will find their orders getting “lost” and their food coming out cold or not at all.

    • irenedemova

      How do you know that these customers are Christians? They don’t mention Christianity in the note they left this young man. They do use the word “God”, but that could be any number of religions.

      • Oranje

        I’m guessing the odds are very high, what in Kansas and all. Pretty much left with Christians and Jews with a reference to GOD in that manner. Very Old Testament, too. I would have liked a LORD in there for good measure. It’s an assumption, but a relatively safe one, I would think.

        • Anna

          Plus, religious Jews would have written “G-d,” not “God.”

          • Mario Strada

            Amazing that the old guy is still fooled by that little trick.

      • cyngus

        Or any number of Christianities.

      • Vanadise

        How many religions do you know of who have a significant presence in Kansas and would hate somebody for being homosexual because “God” told them to?

      • Mario Strada

        Process of elimination.

    • WallofSleep

      I’ve worked in restaurants, and I’ve never understood the monumental stupidity required to berate or harass those who handle your food. I would never fuck with anyone’s food myself, as I take food safety very seriously, but I’ve worked with many who have no such internal governor when it comes to that.

    • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

      Years ago I had a colleague who was a Rush Limbaugh fan and all around right wing douchebag. After the show (this was a major opera house chorus gig) he made a very anti-gay comment including the word “fag”. He’d been around long enough to know better so I read him. “Look around. Half the guys here are gay. Your boss is gay. If I were you I’d keep my anti-gay mouth shut while I was in this building.” I heard later that he was a little freaked out. Good.

  • The Captain

    So lets see, they couldn’t in “good conscience” tip the guy for his service, but apparently having the guy wait on them all through dinner and labor for them without pay didn’t violate that same “conscience”. These people aren’t so much religious biggots as they are cheap fucking cunts!

    • Ron

      Not perfect—just perfect assholes.

      • David Kopp

        I dunno. Assholes aren’t completely useless… you’re giving a bad name to them.

    • God’s Starship

      They’re bigots and they’re cheap asses. It’s like the perfect storm of fucking cunts!

  • SattaMassagana

    I recently had (what I presumed) was a gay waiter in a heavily mormon area and wondered if this was a problem for him. Left a huge tip just in case.

    • Tor

      Bless you. Oh wait. What’s the proper response for an atheist in a case like this?

      • McAtheist

        I believe it’s “Bless your godless little heart”.

  • WallofSleep

    If only the god of Judea were real, I’d wager he’d like to smite those who use his name as an excuse to be cheap bastards.

    “And God does not advertise or promote hate.”

    Ah, well

    • Lord Incaros

      Maybe god prefers irony.

      • WallofSleep

        Have you see the modern GOP? Irony is dead, my friend.

  • Lord Incaros

    I kinda hope the customers realize all the tips they just indirectly gave that waiter, and how the community feels about their jerkish comments. Oddly enough, I think writing that little note can count as a sin itself. A sin of pride at least, as it came off as kinda arrogant and self righteous. I think their preacher needs to spend less time talking about how homosexuality is a sin, and reminding people that PRIDE and WRATH are sins as well. The BIG sins.

  • Lindsey Stock

    What is it with this trend of leaving passive aggressive notes instead of tips?

    • cyngus

      It seems that Christianity is ignored, and all Christians can do, to be remarked, is to look like assholes.

  • WallofSleep

    Wait a minute. Is there an 11th commandment I’ve not heard of?

    “If thou lovest Me, thou shalt act like a miserly prick.”

    • Dan Robinson

      It’s in there. You just have to read between the lines.

  • SeekerLancer

    I’ve always lived by the the advice, “Don’t piss off the people who make or handle your food.”

    • Tor

      Some of the wisest advice ever written. (spit, hack, cough)

  • Rain

    “This does not represent Christianity. I called them Pharisees,” he said.

    Jesus had some choice words for the Pharisees. Mama, don’t let your sons grow up to be a Pharisee.

    “God really loves us. And God does not advertise or promote hate. That is not love.”

    Exactly. (Unless you are a Pharisee.)

    “Mrs. Rosen, when you see your grandson, tell him not to become a haberdasher.” –Red Buttons in The Poseidon Adventure

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      Um, well, technically, all Jews today are Pharisees.

      See, the sect that survived the Diaspora best was the Pharisees who gave rise to the great rabbis who wrote the earliest bits of the Talmud, beginning the traditional of legalistic Judaism we see today, and … yeah, i’m just going to shut up now. But suffice it to say, Jesus was part of an intra-Jewish religious feud, and he had some nasty things to say about other sects that are of, shall we say, questionable accuracy.

    • David Kopp

      From a Bible Study site ( http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/pharisee.htm ) “The Pharisees perhaps meant to obey God, but eventually they became so devoted and extremist in very limited parts of The Law (plus all that they themselves added to it), that they became blind to The Messiah when He was in their very midst.”

      Seems to describe most fundies pretty well. I can see why the preacher would make that comparison.

    • Anat

      If you want to know what the Pharisees were really like, see Ethics Of The Fathers. Except for Antigonus of Socho, who was a Sadducee, all those quoted were Pharisees.

  • Layla13

    Ah yes, another fine example of loving Christians. *eye roll*

  • http://youtu.be/fCNvZqpa-7Q Kevin_Of_Bangor

    And I present to you comments from The Blaze. How these people think always amuses me.

    I’m going to call BS on this. Did the waiter tell these people his life story in between fetching them water and getting their food? Seriously, at what point did this waiter feel comfortable enough during his brief encounter with these complete strangers to start discussing his sexuality?
    ______________________________________________________________

    I call BS on this. I think he may have gotten stiffed and decided to try to get at the couple, but I doubt anyone would write that whole note on their tab…unless, of course, they are from that church that hates everything and everyone except themselves…?Jonesboro?…not sure of the name, don’t care to know.
    ______________________________________________________________
    What did the waiter say or do to indicate to the customers that he was homosexual? If the customers acted on speculation, they were wrong to do so. If the waiter flaunted his lifestyle to “test” the customers, he got what he deserved.
    _______________________________________________________________
    No! These people are NOT of God. Christians do NOT act this way. If the Holy Spirit has ANY sway in these people’s lives then He needs to work on them. They are wrong.

    Must have been a couple of the Westboro idiots…

    • WallofSleep

      I’m sorry, but did you mean to use the word “think” intentionally?

      • http://youtu.be/fCNvZqpa-7Q Kevin_Of_Bangor

        Sadly, I did.

    • Dan Robinson

      every time the Blaze comes up my mind jumps to the Blade….not the same thing! ha

  • http://www.agnostic-library.com/ma/ PsiCop

    Quoted: ““This does not represent Christianity. I called them Pharisees,” [Baker] said.”

    Although I appreciate Baker’s outreach to the stiffed waiter, the cold fact is that he’s wrong, on this point. He’s engaging in the “No True Scotsman” fallacy. For better or worse, the Christians who refused to tip a gay waiter are just as “Christian” as Baker is, or any other Christian, for that matter. A “Christian” is anyone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. That they disagree as to what those teachings were, and on what it means to be a Christian, is actually irrelevant to this distinction.

    I get that guys like Baker are trying to disavow themselves of other Christians who make them look bad. But in the end, that’s all they’re doing. That effort accomplishes absolutely nothing whatsoever. And it’s every bit as weaselly as I made it sound.

    • TnkAgn

      Right on, PsiCop.

    • Tor

      I agreed 100%. The NALT (Not All Like That) Xtians have to speak out, or forever lose their respectability.

    • Mario Strada

      Another thing I find funny is the “I called them Pharisees” part. I am just now reading a book where a chapter is dedicated to the Pharisees. They were essentially another judaic sect. Paul apparently was one, as was Josephus.

      Funny enough, the reason why they are the paragon of evilness is because Jesus hated their guts, or so I gather from reading about them.

      • http://www.agnostic-library.com/ma/ PsiCop

        You’re right, the Pharisees were one of a number of Jewish sects by the 1st century. Josephus mentions four of them (the Sadducees, Essenes, and “the 4th philosophy” or Zealots, in addition).

        Anyway, it is, in fact, extremely interesting that the gospels paint the Pharisees as Jesus’ chief accusers, and moreover, present them as being something other than just being one of several Jewish sects: At times the gospels suggest the Pharisees are more of a caste than a sect; a level of leadership, or a wing of the priesthood.

        It’s possible this is trick of propaganda is explained by the fact that, by the end of the Jewish-Roman War, of those Jewish sects, only the Pharisees remained standing. Thus, “the Pharisees” came to represent … in the minds of early Christians … those Jews who refused to believe in their Jesus. The gospels were all written after the conclusion of that war.

  • A3Kr0n

    I’m sure glad they are people coming in to support him and his mother.

  • Cattleya1

    Sounds like a couple of those wonderful folks from Westboro baptist church wandered over to Kansas City for an evening out.But I can’t figure out why they ate the food, though, since it must have absorbed an awful lot of gay cooties when he carried the plates out. What a couple of loathsome parasites!

    • Tor

      I truly hope their food had gay cooties all over it. I’m surprised they did not ask to be served by a different waitperson.

      • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

        But if they’d have done that, they would have had to tip their server. I think they were looking for an excuse to be cheap more than anything else.

  • chrisvogel

    This is about typical for conservative and evangelical Christians and their religion: selfish, totally self-indulgent, arrogant, malicious. Indeed, that is why they are conservative Christians, so that they can do this kind of thing and imagine they can get away with it. Really, their faith consists of little else. It would be wise for receptionists, maître d’s and waitstaff to inquire about prospective diners’ religion before admitting them to a restaurant.

  • TnkAgn

    There is a term in the retail food and beverage industry, which many of us worked in at one time or another: “86.” That is what this Carrabbas should do with this troglodytes. Don’t tell me they can’t ID these cave-dwellers, we know they can.
    KS, you are so fucking sad.

    • Tor

      I’m sure everyone at the restaurant, and at every restaurant nearby, knows who they are.

  • Tor

    This is about the 8th blog I’ve read today (yes, I need to get a life) that has this story. Good work, bloggers, on getting the word out. Though seemingly insignificant, this is an important story. Each of you bloggers hits a different demographic.

  • Nathan Lovell

    How did they even know he was gay?

    • Nemo

      This. How did it come up? Or, did they simply judge him gay by his mannerisms? Now, I do that all the time, But I’m not the one trying to argue that homosexuality is a freely chosen (and sinful) lifestyle. What then, I wonder, do they make of someone like Marcus Bachmann?

      • Stev84

        Sometypes the stereotypes are true. Some people are so gay that they can’t hide it. It’s not a bad thing to notice that if you don’t generalize their mannerisms on all gay people.

    • David Kopp

      They got talking to him and asked him about his girlfriend? All kinds of ways it could come up.

  • Whitney

    Nothing says LOVE like gay slurs and no tip, I guess. >.<

    • midnight rambler

      Love the sinner, hate the tip.

  • Juan

    The irony is, because of the couple’s action, the waiter got more than what they would have tipped.

  • pagansister

    I think they were just too cheap to tip, so used that ridiculous reason to NOT tip! Some folks are just stupid and most horrible representations of what I understand Christianity to be. I know lots of Christians, many in my immediate family and they are nothing like the customers mentioned above. In fact, they could care less what sexual orientation anyone is.

    • Ella Warnock

      I hear you, and I agree. But this couple made a specific point of linking their prejudice to their religious belief. They just don’t realize how much damage they do for their cause.

      • pagansister

        True. I agree, they did make a point of linking their prejudice to their religious belief. My first sentence was an attempt (poor one I guess) to be sarcastic. :-) As to their lack of realizing how much damage they do to their cause? I also agree—they are totally blind to that, since they are, after all, totally right! How could anyone not realize that? It is truly sad that they are that blind.

  • fry

    Badly treating gays is not Christian behavior? Are you serious? Read their goddam Bible. Gay-slurring / hating / killing is as Christian as a skinny man on a stick.

  • The Other Weirdo

    How did they know he is gay? I heard tell that gay can always recognize gay. Maybe they should look in the mirror.

  • Ann

    Well Holytape, where does your “God” get “His” money? Hmmmm….From you hypocrite Christians!!

  • Nancy Shrew

    Inre to all the “how did they know he was gay?”: As if assumptions aren’t enough for people to work off of.

  • Terry Firma

    What is the repeated mention of “[gay slur]” about? I assume the unmentionable word was “fag”?

    The problem with that kind of prissy obfuscation is that the writer of the quoted article takes none of her readers seriously enough to tell them the truth of what was in the note; and that we are left to pointlessly imagine what the horrible word could have been. I find that kind of censorship just as annoying as the slur was no doubt off-putting.

    • Lurker111

      It was a legitimate substitution. The couple called him a “Republican.”

      Edit: Okay, I may have oversnarked this.

  • TravellingBeard

    Christians (and other deeply religious people) seem to have a love/hate relationship with cognitive dissonance. On one side, you have the fire and brimstone bigots on the right (like the customers in the article, Westboro, etc) who cherry pick the parts of the Bible that suit them while conveniently ignoring the other parts.

    On the other side, the more tolerent and understanding “God Loves Everyone” Christians see the Bible more as a guide for living and they should treat everyone with respect (I’m talking to you,gay christian ex-pastor) and yet somehow ignore the parts of both the old and new testaments that are so full of violence and prejudice, that they must devise their own form of apologetics that the far right has used for so long.

  • Lori F

    With the [gay slur] I would say the writers were from the Westboro ‘baptist’ church.

  • Mario Rodgers

    “Though he’s no longer a pastor, Baker still leads a Bible study group” *sigh* Almost there. Sooooo close.

  • capodo

    I am a Christian. Please just allow me to say that I am sickened and hurt to be lumped into the same group as the people above. Not all Christians are so pathetic and narrow minded. In fact, I’ll go so far as to say I don’t know that these people have a right to call themselves Christians at all! It’s stories like this that make understand why others hate Christians so much…

  • JWatts

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