Another Gay Waitress Gets Stiffed For Jesus

***UPDATE, November 26*** Serious doubt has been cast on the truthfulness of Dayna Morales’ account. See this new post.

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Another day, another gay waiter getting cheated out of a tip by prayerful Christians. Former Marine Dayna Morales waits tables in a New Jersey restaurant. The other day, a customer scrawled this note on the credit card receipt:

I’m sorry I cannot tip because I do not agree with your lifestyle and the way you live your life.

Morales posted a photo of the receipt on Facebook with the following message:

NEVER in a million years did I think this would happen. Not only was it a family with two kids, but as I introduce myself and tell them my name is Dayna — the mom proceeds to look at me and say “oh I thought you were gonna say your name is Dan. You sure surprised us!”

I am THOROUGHLY offended mad pissed off and hurt that THIS is what her kids will grow up learning and that I served in the Marines to keep ignorant people like them free. Sorry lady but I don’t agree with YOUR lifestyle and the way you’re raising your kids but you didn’t see me throwing that in your face and giving you shitty service. Keep your damn mouth shut and pray we never cross paths again.

Just last month, a diner in Kansas left the following tirade in lieu of a tip:

Thank you for your service, it was excellent. That being said, we cannot in good conscience tip you, for your homosexual lifestyle is an affront to GOD. Queers do not share in the wealth of GOD, and you will not share in ours. We hope you will see the tip your fag choices made you lose out on, and plan accordingly. It is never too late for GOD’S love, but none shall be spared for fags. May GOD have mercy on you.

And who could forgive forget St. Louis pastor Alois Bell, who, back in January, stiffed a waitress with this admonition:

I give God 10 percent why do you get 18?

Can you feel the Jesusy love, people?

About Terry Firma

Terry Firma, though born and Journalism-school-educated in Europe, has lived in the U.S. for the past 20-odd years. Stateside, his feature articles have been published in the New York Times, Reason, Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Wired. Terry is the founder and Main Mischief Maker of Moral Compass, a site that pokes fun at the delusional claim by people of faith that a belief in God equips them with superior moral standards.

  • Rain

    for your homosexual lifestyle is an affront to GOD.

    Most people would say “because” instead of “for”. I guess the person was a Bible thumper that thought they were writing some holy stuff. Very special holy word vocabulary for special righteous people speaking for Jesus.

    • katiehippie

      Why is GOD so wimpy that he can’t take care of himself?

      • JohnnieCanuck

        Because by definition He’s the best at everything? That would have to include being wimpy.

        Not only does He need people to stick up for Him and give Him a voice, He always agrees with whatever each and every one of His spokespeople thinks, even when they don’t agree with each other.

        • katiehippie

          God of the wishy-washy.

  • guest

    It beggars belief that they can treat people in this way and think themselves righteous. Buch of arseholes.

    • Guest

      *fucking asshole cunts

      You’re welcome.

      • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

        No need to use gendered slurs. Arsehole is a perfectly valid way to insult someone.

        • Anna M. Rees

          I believe in equality. Cunts and pricks.

  • LesterBallard

    And she got in trouble for posting this, right?

    • Terry Firma

      I don’t believe so — but the waitress in St. Louis did (bottom of the post).

      • Mario Strada

        That’s because, if I recall, she worked for one of those faceless corporate establishments that are as bland as the food they serve.

        This one sounds like either a privately owned restaurants or a franchise with less corporate oversight.

  • Ewan

    The whole tipping system in the US is completely fucked up – it’s about time waiting staff just got paid a decent wage and customers were charged the full price for what they’re buying, both food and service.

    • Aspieguy

      I absolutely agree. I once lived in Germany, which is a no-tipping country. You could, if you desired, round up the restaurant bill, and the server got to keep it. I loved it. No tipping at restaurants, taxis, or hotels.

      • Nele Abels

        Germany is not a no-tipping country. Service is paid for by the customer, but it is a matter of common courtesy to give a tip of about 10 to 15% of the amount on the cheque.

        • Sly Cooper

          New Zealand is a true no-tipping country.

          People may be offended if you tip them; the bill you get given is the bill, and all service personnel are simply just paid at humane rates.

    • cr0sh

      You think servers are hosed now – they’d be doubly hosed under your system. They’d probably get minimum wage, maybe a tad more – then 10% for the “service” – split 60/40 with the establishment (and guess who’d get the better half).

      When I go someplace, and I get good service – 20% is my tip. If it is excellent service, I’ve been known to go as high as 40%. Rarely do I ever go below 15% – you’d have to be pretty terrible for me to go that low.

      Some of us know how and when to tip, and can easily figure out the tip as well; when a server does well, and actually has customers that care about them, and pay them honest tips – they can make a very decent living.

      You drop the tip system – and you’ll likely just end up with more “working poor” – one step up from a fast-food fry chef.

      • RyansTake

        Numerous studies have been done and time after time again a person’s looks or whether or not they draw a smiley face on the bill has proven far more important to tipping than good service.

        Maybe you’re the very small minority that tips based on quality of service, starting from a healthy base. Others tip by lady’s cup size, if they feel compelled to tip at all.

        Many waiters and waitresses are already the working poor — the tipping system has failed and only fails harder as it’s been a longer and longer period since the last time they’ve enjoyed an increase to their minimum wage.

        Give everyone a $10-15 minimum wage and tie tipped workers to 70% of it, then you’ll see waiters and waitresses get a good, livable wage that’s reflective of the busy, backbreaking and stressful work they do.

        • Insanitydividedby0

          I got tipped quite well, but I was the only female pizza delivery driver in the city I lived in. Although the wear and tear on my car was pretty horrible and was the reason I had to get a different job. I have found that the less the job pays the hardest it is, the best paying jobs I’ve had are often the easiest ones I’ve had. I suppose that it comes from those jobs that are about using one’s head are in less demand from those that require more physical labor because schooling is so expensive.

          • Corey Robey

            “I have found that the less the job pays the hardest it is, the best paying jobs I’ve had are often the easiest ones I’ve had” So few people ever realize or acknowledge that fact. Kudos.

      • discus

        Workers in Canada make minimum wage and we still tip them anywhere from 10%-20% (on average) based on their service. That doesn’t make anyone “working poor” unless they make bad choices about where they work and how they act towards their customers. I’ve known friends that leave work with over $400 a night from tips alone. Even when I was serving at a fairly little-known restaurant 15 years ago, I’d make about $40-$50 in a 6 hour shift, which was more than my wages for that evening at the min wage rate of $6.50 an hour (back then).

        So no, lowering the tip and paying a higher wage won’t “hose” the servers. And it doesn’t make the food prices go up, either.

    • EddieGonzo

      They should work in Australia – def a no tipping country as the price includes food and service. $20 an hour is pretty standard for servers and you get double that on a public holiday.

      • Amor DeCosmos

        But the service in Australia SUCKS because no one needs to try. Also at many restaurants there are no servers or bussers, because who can afford to hire them, so you have to order at the counter and clear your own table at even semi-fancy places.

        • Sly Cooper

          The service in Australia and New Zealand is perfectly fine.

          • Yoyo

            Service in both aus and nz is very good on the whole partially because people can choose the service industry as a real career. Tipping is offensive when it is used to oppress the staff as in the US.

    • Jennifer Lakewood

      Scotland is a no-tipping country (from my experience), and it was amazing. I have a habit of tipping, so they kept giving me back my money, lol. It was the same in Australia and New Zealand.

      • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

        I once gave a 10% tip in a Russian Pizza Hut. The waiter just about kissed my feat.

    • Rick McCrae

      Agreed. The tip is part of the wage and should just be rolled in. Which makes customer’s behavior all the worse. Customer received service then denied payment. He’s just a cheap bastard using bigotry as a way to get out of paying what he owes.

    • Corey Robey

      That’s silly. Skilled servers make more money on tips than they would ever make in uneducated wage labor. When have you seen employers only take their fair share and willingly hand more than they have to off to their employees? Right.

    • Cassandra Fox

      working as a waitress in a dying sandwich shop catering expensive food to college students, I still made more than 10 an hour. Servers make really good money especially at high end restaurants so don’t underestimate the business.

      Plus this whole lie that people don’t tip in Europe, especially Germany needs to stop. Just got back from living there for half a year and you most definitely tip your server. It’s not as high as here in the states but it still expected to leave them something.

    • Drew M.

      As a former server in the US, I would probably tell you to kiss my posterior if I were still in the business.

      I made way more than “a decent wage” and I’m an ugly guy who didn’t get flirt tips.

      • Mark Browne

        In which case, why the complaints about the occasional person who stiffs the server. Surely that is just part of doing business.

        • Drew M.

          It’s human nature to complain about jerks. Surely you’ve been exposed to enough of the world to realize this.

          ETA: Normally, getting stiffed resulted in muttering curses to ourselves and a quick bit of commiseration between servers at the end of shift. Seldom was it ever noteworthy, so in that regard, yes, we did just write it off as part and parcel of serving.

          However, I hope you can agree that the situation presented here goes above and beyond simple “stiffing.” I served in the pre-internet days, but I would have written the local paper about douchebaggery of this magnitude.

  • Cattleya1

    Copy cat!

  • Melody Fohr

    They’re able to order from a gay person, have a gay person serve them drinks and food, have a gay person service them throughout the meal. But somehow when it comes to paying, then the gay person is suddenly an affront that cannot be tolerated. What a poor excuse for being a cheap ass.

    • Melissa Shumake

      seriously. for a $93 bill nonetheless. ick.

    • Midas

      Well said!

    • Tobias 27772

      Wouldn’t it be a wonderful world if the waitress could say, ” I am not going to serve you because it goes against my beliefs about feeding assholes !”

      • Jack

        Thats so gay, feeding asshoes.

        • Tobias 27772

          Jack,
          If you want to come out to us, we would try to be accepting.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

    Tips are for service. The service was “excellent.” Why not add something irrelevant to the scenario?

    Imagine the response of those diners if their identities were revealed, and they were denied services because of their moral opinions.

    • Tor

      If they return to that restaurant, they my be eating a booger sandwich. I suggest that they be very very careful.

      • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

        Sad, but true.

    • newavocation

      Non-tippers are not a protected class so I assume you could refuse to server them.

      • VCP

        I suppose you meant ‘to serve them’ but your fingers got confused when you were thinking ‘to sever them’. Either works for me.

        • Kittie

          It’s a bit late when she’s already served them for the entirety of the meal.

    • fjpor

      Which happened at one restaurant.

  • http://www.everydayintheparkwithgeorge.com/ Matt Eggler

    I wonder how much this has to do with religion as opposed to being a cheap-ass skinflint.
    I suppose a lot of it may have to do with religion but I would think that if you believed this way and had any integrity you would ask for a different waiter from the start rather than lead them on in the false belief they would be compensated for their service.
    Scumbags.

    • Spark

      They’re being cheap, no doubt. But, it’s their belief in being “saved” that lets them to act upon it without guilt. A bumper sticker I see way too often succinctly sums it up: “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven.” This attitude of divine acceptance pretty much allows them to screw up and screw over with impunity, since their deity says it’s okay and their trespasses are forgiven.

      And on another tangent, I love how it’s always this passive-aggressive bullshit of notes left on receipts or such. Never a direct face to face explanation. Cowardly, in my humble opinion. Then again, with Dana being a retired Marine, Dad was probably afraid she’d kick his cheapskate ass…

      • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

        I can be a smartass but even I wouldn’t fuck with a marine. (Well there was one but that’s a story for over cocktails. :-) )

        • Spark

          Ok, I’ll buy the first round. But you get to tip the barkeep. :-)

      • Nomad

        You like passive aggressive notes? On the subject of religious people who don’t tip in principle, imagine someone leaving a fake tip. Imagine a piece of paper printed to look like a folded up dollar bill, but when you unfold it it’s a prayer tract. Yep, religious people leave things like that instead of actual tips.

        The thing I can’t get over is the inability to see that from the other person’s perspective. In a situation where you are expected to leave money because part of the income of the person is dependent upon you doing so, you leave fake money to get their hopes up and then it turns out it’s religion. Imagine the mindset of someone who thinks that that will be received well.

    • Patrick Barrett

      Well, you’ve located the problem. People who believe this way have no integrity.

    • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

      I’ve always felt that religion is used as an excuse for the things people were going to do anyway. Here’s it’s an excuse to stiff their server. For other people it’s used as the reason they do good works that they’d be doing even if they were atheists. In other words, I’m saying that even if this person weren’t a Christian, he’d still be an asshole and looking for another reason not to tip.

      • Jennifer Lakewood

        Actually, I find that the more religious a person is, the more of a jerk/thief/freak he or she is. They pretend to be kind or good, but they are usually the most vile people on the planet. Next time a person starts talking about god when you didn’t ask them to, become very alert about what bad stuff they plan to do to you or others around you.

        • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

          I know exactly the type you are talking about. In my experience that is not the typical religious person, but the type that is most likely to be in your face being a big jerk about being religious and demanding that you respect his rights while he shows no respect for anyone else’s. Such people tend to be overcompensating (as in, usually big hypocrites). I also know people who are religious who spend a lot of their free time volunteering at the food pantry or homeless shelter. They aren’t likely to get in your face screaming about you and then probably never (or at least rarely) get into a religious argument.

        • CassandraJK

          Yep, you’re right. The more public they are about their love of Jesus, the shadier they are in private.

      • Derrik Pates

        Pretty sure Susan B. Anthony said something along these lines.

    • Nomad

      You’ve kind of hit the nail on the head. Evangelicals in particular are well known for their inability to tip. Not just to gay people, but to anybody. When I delivered pizza I found this to be true, the more religious bumper stickers I saw on the car parked out in front of the house (no matter how expensive the car or house), the less likely they were to tip.

      I’m not sure what I believe to be the case here. I’m not sure I’d expect someone who never trips to pretend that they would have tipped but just decided not to because their server didn’t share their approved taste in genitals. I mean I expect a degree of dishonesty from these kinds of people, but if they typically do not tip I just don’t expect that kind of an act here. But it’s certainly possible.

      • SeekerLancer

        I think a lot of the ultra-religious really don’t give two-craps about anyone who don’t go to their church, and if someone does something they don’t like it gives them even more of an excuse.

        That pizza girl has tattoos? NO TIP!

        That waiter has an earring? NO TIP!

        That cab driver speaks with a lisp? NO TIP!

        Because Jesus said, “go forth and be an ass to sinners.” Or something.

        They’re just too dense to realize that you should never screw with people in the service industry. Especially the ones that handle your food and might be good at remembering faces.

        • RyansTake

          The reason why they do it is because they’ve done it many times before, probably had parents who did it, too, and rarely — if ever — have they ever been punished for it. Waiters and waitresses can’t do anything about it, because they’re in constant threat of being fired.

          Restaurant owners or managers probably don’t care, because they’re a) generally not known for their empathy — especially the big chains — and b) they’re still getting paid, even if their servers aren’t. If they really cared, they’d make the gratuity included — or pay a living wage by salary.

          All of this is doubly or triply true if someone is being serviced by a waiter or waitress they’re unlikely to see again, which is fairly likely at any given time, unless it’s a very locally owned family business type establishment that basically only serves the same groups of people over and over again, in which I doubt you see this stuff going on to begin with (since these groups of people wouldn’t want to be ‘outed’ as dicks to the rest of their community at the community establishment and to their neighbors and people they’d know).

          So, yeah, what you say about never screwing with people in the service industry may sound good, but I’m just not sure it’s backed up by facts, with only very rare exceptions.

      • Elly

        When I worked as a waiter at TGIF I despised the Sunday, Churchgoing crowd more then any other because i KNEW there would be next to no tips from them. It was so bad, since at the time I lived in Savannah which has a church at every corner, that I switched to evening shifts so I didn’t have to deal with them. Always pissed me off seeing people in several hundred dollar suits/dresses leave 0-5% tip on $60+ checks.

        Also found it amusing, growing up as a orthodox Jew, that my parents would ALWAYS tip 15-30% on the check when returning from synagogue.

        • Sophie

          I’ve found that too, I’ve had several years experience in the industry before changing because I found the long hours, lack of breaks, and bad treatment by customers unbearable. And it’s always people who have the best of everything who give the least and are always unhappy for one reason or another. Middle-class white folks have the world at their feet, yet working class people, people of different ethnicity, ability, etc etc usually are really grateful for good service, take the trouble to learn your name, and tip pretty well! I find women don’t tip quite as well either, unless it’s a hen party or something like that, but that may be because I’m female, I don’t know. I’ve been given the best tips from groups of (I suppose) typically working class guys or mixed groups. I think Eddie Izzard also brings up that point, that middle-class white Christians tend to be quite dreary and don’t get much joy out of their religion; in contrast, gospel churches are joyous and energetic, and they have a background borne of racism, murder, rape, slavery, poverty and so forth! I suppose a by-product of all that self-suppression might be that they take their frustrations out on others…

    • Nancy Shrew

      “I’m not tipping you because Jesus” vs. “I’m not tipping you because I’m a cheap shit”. We might know those both amount to bullshit, but you’re more likely to get white knights for the former.

    • Sophie

      Aren’t religious people usually encouraged to give generously and love thy neighbour, judge not etc?

      • Jennifer Lakewood

        Ha ha ha ha!!!! Sorry, I couldn’t help myself when I read your post.

  • meatbubble

    These people, and their religion, must be destroyed. And I mean that with love (and sharp pointy hammers).

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    Theft. Plain and simple.

  • Tor

    These people need to be outed and publicly shamed. That is, if shame is possible for people like that.

  • http://youtu.be/fCNvZqpa-7Q Kevin_Of_Bangor

    Why does the b in but look a lot different than the b in his signature.

    • Ron

      Because your signature doesn’t look like your hand writing.

      • http://youtu.be/fCNvZqpa-7Q Kevin_Of_Bangor

        One would think they would at least have the same flow to them as they are both in cursive but then again I’m not a hand writing expert and don’t get me wrong, not trying to say he faked it, it is just something that jumped out at me.

        • isaiahyoung

          The letters of my signature looks completely different from cursive letters that I write.

  • http://www.formerlyfundie.com/ Benjamin L. Corey

    Unless I missed it, the top receipt didn’t say anything about Jesus, just “I don’t agree with how you live your life.” It’s appalling, yes, but not sure that we should blame it on Jesus– bigots can be bigots with or without him.

    • Artor

      Do you think there’s more than in infintesimal chance that these aren’t church-going Xians? Yes, there are non-Xian bigots, but I don’t think that’s likely the case here.

    • meatbubble

      Other incidents noted in the article are God-based hatred of gays and giving gratuity. It is a lot less likely that there would be so much fear of homosexuality if it weren’t for God and his boundless love.

      John 13:34-35
      New International Version (NIV)
      34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” ( oh, except for gays and anyone else you find inconvenient )

    • Terry Firma

      Writing hateful “Christian” messages on credit card receipts in lieu of a tip is its own genre now, my friend. See also the examples from Kansas and St. Louis in my post (the latter cheapskate was a pastor, no less).

      • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

        When I was a fundie, my church discovered an all-you-can-eat place and began visiting it after church services. Naturally, most of the church members did not tip at all, or tipped really poorly (the buffet had waitresses doing refills on drinks and bringing more food to the table, so it didn’t differ from a regular restaurant except in how you got the initial plate of food), as well as leaving a disaster area to clean up and lingering for *hours* “fellowshipping” after services, tying up the tables all day. I’d been going there for some time already and I always tipped and tried to be a considerate patron, so it was quite mortifying to see my church behaving like pigs! Very quickly the manager there lost his patience with my brethren and sistren (that’s a word, right?). Apparently a phone call got made to the pastor informing him that my church would not be welcome there anymore if we didn’t clean up our acts.

        You can threaten fundies with just about anything and they won’t care, but don’t you take away their all-you-can-eat buffets! They’d been gleefully stiffing those poor waitresses for weeks and making tons of work for them cleaning up after their filthy antics, but whatever that manager said, my pastor read that church the *RIOT ACT*–tipping and keeping a good witness was actually the topic of his next Sunday sermon. Things improved dramatically after that; I seriously don’t think my church had even considered how they were coming off to that restaurant’s staff. I wonder how many churches have had to do something like that? And even moreso I wonder how many churches *should* be doing something like that?

    • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

      Fair enough. While religion in general is a strong indicator of bigotry against gay people, and while we don’t often run across non-Christian bigots talking in their out-loud voice like this (truthfully, I cannot remember ever running across a single non-Christian bigot here in the States, though that doesn’t mean they don’t exist), it’s possible that the religion in question wasn’t Christianity but Islam or Judaism or something.

      Found this and thought it was very interesting, btw, for whoever’s interested..

      http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/03/whats-connection-between-religion-and.html

  • Frank Mitchell

    Not to go too far on a tangent, but how did this fine upstanding family know that Ms. Morales was gay? Was she snogging another waitress? Wearing a rainbow necklace? Or did she keep her hair short and work out as, perhaps, an ex-Marine might?

    Having been misidentified as gay on numerous occasions — spindly arms, a large vocabulary, and an indifference to sports are classic signs, dontcha know — I’m almost as offended by the presumption that one can judge sexuality by appearance as by the homophobia on display.

    • https://www.facebook.com/GentleGiantDK GentleGiant

      ‘…but as I introduce myself and tell them my name is Dayna — the mom
      proceeds to look at me and say “oh I thought you were gonna say your
      name is Dan. You sure surprised us!”’
      One could guess that, to them, she looked like what they think of as “stereotypical lesbian” (i.e. probably has short hair) and they made an assumption from that.

      • Frank Mitchell

        Which is kind of my point … along with homophobia comes ridiculously narrow sex roles. “Real” men are beefy football-watching outdoorsmen who dress like crap; “real” women are dainty, pretty, impeccably dressed homemakers. Anyone outside those parameters is “gay”, whether they’re actually attracted to the same sex or not.

        • https://www.facebook.com/GentleGiantDK GentleGiant

          Indeed.

    • SeekerLancer

      I thought this same thing the last time this happened.

      I had many family members assume I was gay when I was younger as well because I was skinny and not into sports and used a large vocabulary.

      The simple fact of the matter is they were operating on stereotypes, it doesn’t really matter to them if they’re wrong. To them not fitting the typical model for masculinity or femininity is already a sin. Look at blowhards like Mark Driscoll and their sermons on being a “real” man or woman.

      If you’re not fitting their pre-defined molds you’re already being “gay.”

      • Nandy Rewman

        So both of you were stereotyped for being in shape/healthy, intelligent/well-read, and because you don’t give a shit about modern gladiatorial combat?

        I applaud you as human beings.

  • Rhys Owen

    So the next time i eat out, if the waitress is wearing a cross I’m going to refuse to tip because i don’t like the lifestyle choice of christians.

    • Bob Becker

      That’ll just make you an SOB too.

      • Rhys Owen

        I really don’t care. I’m from the UK, where tipping is optional, and given for really good service. If someone is incapable of coming to work without having a religious icon hung round their neck, they won’t get a tip from me… simple.

        • Terry Firma

          Still makes you a bigot.

  • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

    I was a raft guide on the Wenatchee river last year. The only time I got stiffed on a tip was when iv had a group from the BSA. During the trip I applauded them for changing their policy on allowing gay scouts into their organization, but I asked them why they still disallowed atheists from joining them. The kids didn’t really have an answer, but the adult in the group gave me exact same reasons that they had been using to discriminate against homosexuals! It was their group and they could allow whoever they wanted into it. And god is a core part of the scouts apparently. And then they lied and said they arranged a tip on their account me when they really didn’t. And an average tip is about 60 bucks for that trip. I’ll never buy any of their crappy popcorn ever again!

    • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

      1. There were two rafts in that party. What did the second guide do to bring it upon himself? Or does my offense transfer to him?
      2. The guy I talked to wasn’t the trip leader.
      3. I should be able to talk to a group about their beliefs without incurring a penalty to myself.
      4. They lied to me about it, which is generally a pretty shitty thing to do.
      5. Christians claim to be charitable. Anyone who’s worked for tips will tell you the opposite is typically true. I thought Christianity and it’s morals were so important to the BSA?
      6. You think getting stiffed is a reasonable punishment for inquiring as to the reason behind a policy? Hardly.

      You don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • Bob Becker

        You’ve added information you didn’t include in your first post, and so of course I couldn’t take it into account ( e.g. second raft and second guude stiffed). I’m not a mind- reader CP.

        You did exercise your right to brace them on their beliefs. And they exercised their right to resent a guide on a recreational outing choosing to challenge them on their beliefs by not tipping you.

        I’ve worked for tips too, CP. Challenging customers’ beliefs out of the blue is a sure way to cut your take home pay. I don’t think atheist waiters who say to customers wearing crosses “How can you believe that stuff?” take home much green.

        • RyansTake

          Not a mind reader, but plenty willing to pass judgment without all the facts. I guess.

          • 3lemenope

            Humans are constantly required to make judgments utilizing incomplete (sometimes woefully incomplete) information. This means two things:

            1. It is probably not best to complain about someone making a preliminary judgment since in most situations it is an unavoidable requirement

            2. It is important for people making preliminary judgments to hold their preliminary decisions open for amendment due to new information

            Sometimes we have the luxury of maintaining agnosticism. Occasionally, agnosticism is actually morally preferable (like, for example, not assuming the sexual orientation or religious opinion of a person from their outward appearance). Oftentimes, though, agnosticism about a fact, situation, or outcome ends up being less helpful and/or actually more destructive than operating off of a preliminary hypothesis.

      • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

        When that racist cabbie in Atlanta decided to talk about his beliefs to me (hint: if I hadn’t been white, he would not have picked me up, even though it was the mall and I’d called the company to send someone) I decided not to tip him.

        • http://nomadwarriormonk.blogspot.com/ Cyrus Palmer

          Was I offensive? Did I express my personal beliefs? I asked them for the reasons behind their policy. I never said that I was an atheist or that I thought what they were doing was wrong. I asked a couple of questions about their policy. It was a two minute conversation in a 4 hour trip that they had a blast in. And the other raft guide?

          • Donalbain

            Yes, you DID express your personal views.

            During the trip I applauded them for changing their policy on allowing gay scouts into their organization

            And then you went on to ask them about another of their policies. A policy that nobody in the raft drafted, or was responsible for. Frankly, if I had been in the party, I would not have given you a tip either, and I *agree* with your position on the matter.

    • Terry Firma

      Nothing to see here; I (re)moved my comment.

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson
    • Matt

      “Byron Lapola, general manager of Gallop Asian Bistro, said Morales is
      a “good person” and if the family were to return to dine at his
      restaurant, they wouldn’t be welcome.

      “Honestly, I would ask them to leave,” Lapola said.

      “Previous to becoming a manager I was a server for about 10 years,”
      Lapola said. “I’ve been stiffed for tips quite a few times, but never
      for a reason like this.”

      This is how you help people respect you as a manger and become a good leader. Good on him

  • SeekerLancer

    If gays are really that abhorrent to your religion, why didn’t you just leave the restaurant instead of allowing them to serve you at all?

    Because you apparently don’t really care about your beliefs unless you can use them as an excuse to be an ass.

    • http://hauntedtimber.wordpress.com/ timberwraith

      I suspect that they saw an opportunity to hurt someone they despise and justified those motives under the rubric of their religion.

      If you don’t tow the line as a social outsider and refuse to swallow your expected subordinate status, you are guaranteed to run into assholes like this. It doesn’t matter whether you are black, female, gay, Muslim, atheist, immigrant, gender variant, or what have you. An analogous dynamic always seems to pop up.

  • Aspieguy

    I am appalled. This is a 93.55 bill and no tip? What kind of person does that? My son has worked in restaurants and depended on tips for income. He, like many other servers, hate working on Sunday and serving the church crowd. Not only do they either tip poorly or not at all, they often leave christian tracts in place of a tip. I always tip 20%, regardless of the service. Tips often go into a common “pot” and are shared by servers, servers assistants, hosts and bartenders. Shame on the jesus people.

    • JohnnieCanuck

      I know a young woman who says that when she gets stiffed, she has to take money out of her pocket to put in the tip pot for the others working in the restaurant. That’s harsh.

  • Jeeler

    Betcha this bunch of ignorant christers will insist that they “hate the sin, but love the sinner” – which is one of the biggest crocks of shit these religious types try to sell.

    • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

      I had some Christian rock musician try that on me not long ago. He really thought that he was being “loving” by “loving the sinner and hating the sin.” He made a big deal out of it. I told him that the results sure felt the same as hating the sinner. Mind-blowing hypocrisy there, as well as a total lack of self-awareness. Disgusting, too.

  • DougI

    I’m so sick of the gays forcing their lifestyle upon us. First they provide service at restaurants, but what’s next? Are they going to give us cab rides? Will they infiltrate hospitals and give us life saving medical care? This homosexual agenda must be stopped!

  • Nomad

    I just… look, I know that the stories of Jesus are all a bunch of bullshit to them, I know that they only care about the specially selected passages that reinforce their biases, but… seriously, at what point in the bible does Jesus withhold money from someone because of their sexuality? I mean what was that verse, blessed are the poor, because if they weren’t gay I’d have given them the money they deserved for the service they gave me?

    Who would Jesus stiff? Let he who is without sin withhold the first tip?

    • meatbubble

      Jesus doesn’t ever mention homosexuality, not once. Extremely odd since of it’s popularity, especially amongst Romans, at the time. Christians, often not comfortable with the message of love in the new testament, use the old testament (essentially making them Jews) to spread their message of hate and belief that tipping is immoral.

      • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

        Mmm, nope, not making them Jews. Sorry, no anti-Semitism for you.

  • Dave

    Great, since around 85% of USA citizens are religious I won’t feel guilty about not tipping them next time I am in the states. Lol
    What church do you go to?
    Then write sorry I can’t tip you becauseI don’t agree with your lifestyle on the butt
    I feel like my iq dropped a couple of points just writing that shit.

    • Churchlady320

      Although it would be nice if you were bigger than they, this did make me laugh.

  • cryofly

    Well, as the saying goes, “Religion breeds bigotry”. And the bigots don’t pay a person for his/her service, but for what that person is.

    • Churchlady320

      But FAITH should breed justice. When it doesn’t, it IS mere religiosity and worth very little.

  • cary_w

    So, apparently the mom has no idea that “Dayna” (usually spelled “Dana”, but pronounced the same) can also be a boy’s name?

    • Nomad

      Oh I’m betting she did. But if she’d acknowledged that then she would have ruined her opportunity to get in a good public shaming on someone who didn’t subscribe to the same superficial beliefs that she did.

      There’s a metaphor there about the willful embrace of ignorance that I’m not going to dig into.

  • Nomad

    Small story from my days delivering pizza. I was helping to deliver a massive order of pizzas to some event at a church. It was so much pizza that I took the first load out and brought someone else along to help me carry the stacks of pizza inside. And then once the second half of the pizzas were out of the oven another guy drove them out, and the three of us carried them in together. The bill was easily into the multiple hundreds of dollars, I’ve never seen such a large order since.

    Once we finally finished carrying them all in, one of us got the bill taken care of. As the credit card receipt was being passed back to him, the guy who had paid it quietly said “there’s a little something in there for you”. The third guy in our group who had handled the bill glanced at it as we were walking away, and as soon as we were out of earshot he quietly said “yeah it’s little alright”.

    Five dollars. For the three of us, for an order so big that it had to be delivered in two fractions because a single car couldn’t practically carry it all.

    I know this is somewhat tangential to the subject at hand. He did not make any judgement on our sexualities, in fact he thought he was being generous because of the way he seemed proud of what he had given us. But I’m just sayin’, these kinds of people are not a friend of service industry professional. Overall I found church deliveries to be the most difficult, because the customer would often leave no information as to where the pizza was supposed to go, and I’d be left wandering the hallways of a huge church trying to figure out who might have ordered a pizza. Once I delivered to a church with locked doors. And this was before cell phones were ubiquitous, few of our drivers carried cell phones then so often about the only option was to either find a payphone or else return to the restaurant and either call them if they left a useful number or else wait for them to call up asking where their pizza was.

    Church people can be “nice”, but too often I’ve found them to be thoughtless and inconsiderate even when they’re not trying to condemn someone because of their holier than thou attitude concerning whatever is currently in fashion for them to disapprove of.

    • Churchlady320

      When my organization that does public policy for the mainline Protestant denominations orders anything, take out or delivery, we ALWAYS tip 20%. ALWAYS. That is the minimum we can do for people who prepare, cook, and give us our food. We are also totally inclusive on race, gender, LGBT issues, and the idea you’d NOT tip someone because of who they are is disgusting – and that includes an occasional fundamentalist server we may encounter. Humanity is not about exclusion. If you believe in “ALL God’s children” you have no right to exclude anyone. All is all, not bits and pieces you like or don’t like. Anyone making that exclusion is NOT a Christian.

      • 3lemenope

        I definitely appreciate the sentiment (the world and all of us in it would be so much better off if more people, including Christians, would cotton to the notion that most differences just don’t matter), but…

        Anyone making that exclusion is NOT a Christian.

        …would perhaps best be recast as “Anyone making that exclusion is NOT good at being a Christian.” No-True-Scotsmen considerations aside, failing to live up to an ideal doesn’t mean you don’t believe in the ideal, it just (usually) means the ideal is hard to live up to, or you’re simultaneously pulled in a different direction by something else you also believe in. I totally get pointing to an example like this, and saying “this is not an example of what a Christian ought to do”, but it goes too far to claim that such a person who fails in one manner or another is outright not a Christian.

        • justme

          AGREED

      • Gid

        Oh theyre christians alright. Good for you for being a decent tipper, the ” No true Scotsman” fallacy is getting a little old though

        • Steve Nickell

          Well, Christians are well defined in the bible. In fact, the definition is “Christ-like.”. You can decry the No True Scotsman thing all you like, since there is no precise definition of a Scotsman. But when I say no true Christian would do this or that, I am referring to whether or not Jesus would have acted in that way. Judging from the Bible, no Christian SHOULD act like this woman and her family.

          • Gid

            I use the No true scotsman fallacy because it’s just so pertinent. I have literally lost count at how often I see one christian say that another christian isnt a real christian when that person has done something generally shitty. It seems that there aren’t any ” REAL ” Christians in the US at all. And I would hope that you’re not using the bible as a guide to morality. That is genuinely frightening to think of.

            • Steve Nickell

              I think the ten commandments are a fantastic moral guide.
              You may need to read my post again. And perhaps the bible. Jesus opened his arms to people whom the religious people of his day shunned. He both loved and accepted outcasts and the unaccepted. When Christians act in opposition to how Jesus acted, then they aren’t, by very definition, acting very Christian.
              Thus, the Scotsman fallacy is far to vague to apply to Christians, since the definition of “Scotsman” is far, far too vague to apply to Christians.

              • Gid

                Oh I have read the bible. I was three years in the Seminary. The Bible is at least 90% of the reason I’m an Atheist. I suggest YOU read it. Really read it. The ten commandments , apart from the first four, which are basically the same thing repeated 4 times ( I’m your god, worship me or burn) are absolute nonsense. The rest are basic guides to not hurting people and living a decent life. No celestial threats of eternal torture required. Good people have a name for the rest of them, Common sense. Now you’re starting to sound as if you think the bible and christianity have some kind of patent on basic morality. Decent people will act decently, indecent, indecently. The ” commandments” have nothing to do with it and honestly, if they did, it would be even more frightening. Some people seem to think people would be running the streets murdering and raping without them. I’m a little worried about the people that think that lol.

                Thanks for the laugh.

                • Steve Nickell

                  “Now you’re starting to sound as if you think the bible and christianity have some kind of patent on basic morality.”

                  Try not to make assumptions. You certainly don’t sound like an ignorant, insulting pratt. Try not to act like one.
                  Before you regale me further with your rather humorous interpretations of scripture, let me stop you. I thought the subject at hand was the folks who acted so terribly toward the waitress. I think we both agree that it was reprehensible behavior. I merely pointed out that the Jesus these people claim to follow (if they do…no religion is explicitly mentioned in the note) would not have done so, and that this disqualifies them from the label “Christian,” at least in this instance. As a former atheist myself, I know how hard it can bento stay on subject. Lets go back to where we can find at least some common ground…assuming you just don’t want to argue.

                • Gid

                  You’re right, slipped in with your rather indirect, sideways slip at insulting me, you were correct that I was headed off topic. That said, The No true scotsman fallacy DOES fit. It doesnt matter if you cant define what a scotsman is, it’s just a name for what hypocrite christians throw out there almost every time one of you does something stupid , and it really does happen a lot. ” Oh he/she/they are not REAL christians.” I’m sorry but yes, they are real christians , It happens so often that these kind of people have become the very definition of christian.

              • Gid

                Oh, I left out the Tenth. Which frankly…well, lets look at it shall we?

                the tenth commandment, which riles the feminist blood, says: “Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor’s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or anything that is thy neighbor’s.” In addition to rating a wife with an ox and an ass, the bible loftily overlooks the woman who might desire her neighbor’s husband. Covetousness somehow does not seem like such a crime. If you can’t have a comfortable house or a productive farm, what is the great harm in wishing you did?
                Covetousnessmay be nonproductive and unpretty, but to make a big, bad deal out of it is ridiculous. Bible apologists sometimes will excuse the triviality of the tenth commandment on the basis that covet, in a more superstitious age, once meant “to cast an evil eye.” Someone who coveted”his neighbor’s house” was purportedly casting an evil eye on that property with a view toward its destruction. Whether one accepts the apologist’s definition of covet or the more popular meaning, the tenth commandment lacks real importance.

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            But a True Christian should be in favor of slavery. Jesus is very clear that slavery is absolutely fine.

            If you’re anti-slavery, you are No True Christian. You’re not acting like Jesus acted at all if you believe that humans should never be treated as chattel property.

            And that is why your definition of a True Christian is very flawed. I’m not saying Christians believe in slavery or that they should. Clearly, in this day and age, they don’t. But if we used your definition, I would be right. Since your definition leads to really terrible outcomes, you may wish to change your definition of a True Christian?

            • Steve Nickell

              2 points…

              One, Jesus never taught about slavery anywhere in the Gospels, although the apostles later teachings were against it.

              And two, chattel slavery doesn’t exist in the bible, outside of prisoners of war in the Old Testament.

              • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                Oh boy, we get to pull this out again! In short, the NT is very pro-slavery and chattel slavery most definitely existed both in the OT and Roman times.

                First, some fun verses from the NT endorsing and condoning slavery. I have yet to find a verse that says slavery is bad.

                Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

                Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

                In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong. This also means Jesus didn’t mind slavery as an institution at all.

                The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

                Second, chattel slavery very much existed in the Old Testament.

                Rules for selling one’s daughter into sex slavery: When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) Also note that the girl is a permanent slave- she is never freed.

                Chattel slavery: foreigners held as permanent slaves, women and their slave-born children held as permanent slaves, and specific instructions on how to will slaves to ones heirs:

                However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

                If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

                So like I was saying- maybe you want to change your definition of True Christian just a tad?

      • Nomad

        Your response seems to have set off a hornets nest of a reaction and coming into it late I’m not really looking to wade into it. But for what it’s worth I appreciate your organization making it a point to pay attention to tipping with stuff like that. In truth it’s not just churches, large groups typically tip poorly. Parties, cooperate events, whatever, the tip just gets forgotten.

  • fjpor

    And they probably profess to be patriotic, too. Hypocritical bastards

  • natsera

    I’m not Christian, but neither are they. Only difference is I’m nicer.

  • fjpor

    I keep a very short haircut and have always been a tomboy. Don’t judge a book, etc.

  • tm17

    Blessed Mary got stiffed by Jesus’ dad. So, the good Christians of today are just following a long held tradition of their faith. This is the same tradition that allows Catholic priests to stiff alter boys. All love and happiness.

  • Rain

    How did they know about her lifestyle and the way she lives her life? If they knew all that, then why even go there. It’s almost like they were on a mission.

  • Charlie

    I’m tired of these shitty people. The next time you see one, punch them in the throat over and over again until they turn blue.

    • 3lemenope

      I tend to think an embarrassing public lecture on Jesus’ words (nobody enjoys being called out as a hypocrite; using the words of their own God is just gravy) or, on the outside edge, a glass of cold water to the face would suffice.

  • Ron

    I do not agree with your lifestyle and the way you live your life.

    Lifestyle: the way in which a person lives.

    Kids, just say “no” to pleonasms and tip your server.

  • ritchard

    I am not gay but I will fight for gay rights no freedom until we all have it. No where does it say besides from some people that being gay is wrong. Who do they think they are nothing in my book.

  • Insanitydividedby0

    I’ve been mistaken for being gay quite a bit, a lot of the assumptions are made because I have some “masculine” traits. I’m strong, I’m not afraid to state my opinion, and I can admire a beautiful woman. I’m not gay, but if what little has happened to me because of those assumptions are being done constantly to those who are gay or who appear even more gay than me, I can’t even imagine their struggles. This makes me very angry, that people think this is okay and that this behavior will get them into their heaven. I realize that the god written about in the old testament and in revelations is a very hateful guy so they are just emulating his actions, I just don’t understand how humans can treat each other so disdainfully. Maybe it is a good thing that I can’t empathize with these people because that would make me more like them.

  • Aurélien Créteur

    Why not simply be doing like in France on the recipt there two very neat precisions :
    TTC = Toutes Taxes Comprises = All Taxes Are Included
    Service Compris = Service is included

    So basically once and for good bring back the habit of tipping as a bonus to the waiter, and not a way for the boss to give the waiter a shitty wage ?

    How about that one ?

  • Debbi

    I was born male and am now legally female. I always worry over how I am perceived, especially restrooms and situations with kids. From bitter experience hospitals and doctors scare the hell out of me, cops too, anyone who has to know my past and has authority scare the hell out of me, word getting around scares the hell out of me.
    I am glad this woman exposed this situation, for the sake of so many others out there who are judged and shunned for one reason or another. Glad she didn’t internalize the feelings, I do know self loathing and always will, it has been battered and beat (literally) into me.

    • Churchlady320

      Went to the annual memorial services at an Episcopal cathedral for transgendered victims of hate yesterday. You are so in my heart! I am so sorry you have to live in a society that cannot be happy you are true to yourself. Know please you are NOT alone. Whether a victim or hopeless, there are so many people, straight and LGBT, who stand with you. You are deeply loved and respected for finding and being true to who you really are.

  • Jason Mitchell

    Do these people wear a badge that says their name and their sexual preference?

  • JessicaSmiles

    I hate seeing this. I hate seeing people be rude and unloving , in the name Jesus. I don’t agree with being gay either, but I’m not going to disrespect them for being the way they are. Just like i don’t like swiss cheese, but I don’t hate my husband because he does.The second commandment we were given is to “love your neighbor as yourself”…stiffing someone who earned their wage & tip is not showing them love, but indifference. Jesus would not approve. A heart full of hate has no room for love, and if you don’t have love, you don’t have anything. And we won’t enter the gates of Heaven with even an ounce of hate in our hearts. These “Christians” need to look in the mirror and take the log out of their own eyes before attempting to take the spec out of his brother’s.

    • 3lemenope

      Jesus would not approve.

      Seriously, all I can ever think about when stuff like this comes up–it just pops right in there–is “Woe unto ye, Pharisees! Hypocrites![...]” And I’m an atheist who has never been a believer. How is that (or your recitation of the Great Commandment, or preferably both) the first thing that pops into most believer’s heads when thinking about doing something morally naughty like stiffing a waiter/waitress on a bill?

      Do they make red letter bibles because red is harder to read or something?

      • Churchlady320

        Seriously – it was the only ink color that make it readable. You are absolutely correct – Jesus as he matured broke with the Pharisees he once emulated and that is how his vision and teachings came to differ. Problem today? We have Pharisee followers NOT Christians. If Jesus were to return (a fantasy not subscribed to by most mainline Protestants) they’d kill him again. Can you imagine these people actually LIKING and following someone who embraced ALL people, NO exceptions? Nope – tribalism and divisiveness is soooo much easier.

    • Carmelita Spats

      You don’t agree with being gay. Fine. I don’t agree with being Christian but I would NEVER withhold a tip because a waitress happened to be wearing a grotesque instrument of torture, a lower case “t”, around her neck. Also, you should take a second look at the bible before you criticize another Christian for trying very hard to hate like Jesus…Yahweh’s brat has a lot to say about sin and punishment and hell. Jesus is not a “nicer” version of Old Genocidal Yahweh…Jesus is just as grotesque, violent and a twisted fuck like his dad…

      1. Matthew 10:34…Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people love him more then they love their own family…just like a cult leader. Jesus threatens you with DEATH just because your love for your mother may be stronger than your love for him. Only a sociopath threatens others with violence if they “don’t -love-him-back.” Jesus acts like the vintage ex-boyfriend who stalks.

      2. Matthew 10:21…Families will be torn apart because of Jesus.

      3. Matthew 5:17…Jesus strongly approves of the LAW and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament, including killing homosexuals.

      4. Matthew 11:20…Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching.

      5. Revelations 19:13-15….Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the wine-press of the wrath of God. (The wine-press is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up like cat food.)

      6. Revelations 19:20-21….The beast and the false prophet
      are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us, the unsaved trash, will be killed with the sword of Jesus.

      7. Mark 4:11-12… Jesus explains that he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell.

      8. Matthew 19:29…Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. Abandoning your child is abuse, it’s called
      neglect, pure and simple.

      9. Mark 7:9…Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.

      10. Mark 5:12-13….Jesus sends the devils into 2,000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse.

      11. Mark 11:13…Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Only a lunatic takes his rage out on plants. What’s next? Kicking the shit out of the neighbor’s manicured holly bushes?

      12. Luke 12:47…. Jesus thinks its okay to beat slaves.

      For fuck’s sake, if you are offended by Christians who are simply trying to live up to Jesus’ bigotry and standards of hate, then learn to value moral reasoning and not superstition.

      • Churchlady320

        The point of the New Testament is following Jesus’ movement AWAY from the tribalism of his youth. It’s that maturation that should be our only lesson. The “rights” he expounds when younger give way to an entirely different vision that is possible for everyone. From tribalism and rules to universality and all-encompassing inclusion, his growth is THE story. Most Christians MISS that, as obviously the NON tippers have done. Smug self righteousness about others, stiffing people who work, all repudiated by Jesus as he grew and created a new vision of humanity on earth. Those who adhere to Leviticus only, to cultish insularity are not Christians but “Old Testamentarians” for whom Jesus is just the ‘get out jail free’ card they hope to play at death. THAT superstition is not foundational to a serious understanding of Christianity and makes its adherents small minded nasty people.

  • Neil

    Once more with Burroughs:

    “If you’re doing business with a religious son of a bitch, get it in
    writing. His word isn’t worth shit, not with the good Lord telling him
    how to fuck you on the deal.”

    • Churchlady320

      The good Lord is doing NO such thing – those little voices in his head need treatment.

    • Wit

      William S. Burroughs?

  • http://ma-sblog.blogspot.com/ Alice

    Ouch.

    They should really have an automatic gratuity included. I was a waitress and while most people tipped reasonably well, a table like this is a complete waste of time.

    And it is totally true that the after church crowd doesn’t tip nearly as well as the Saturday night party crowd.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    It’d be nice if every restaurant in the area would ban the family in the future. You screwed someone out of a tip, with excellent service, on a $93 bill. You do not get to eat in public if you are going to act like assholes.

    • 3lemenope

      At the very least the manager/owner of that establishment could disinvite them forever. After all, viciously bad tippers raise discontent among the staff; a manager whose employees feel abused by their job is a manager who is borrowing trouble.

  • Ton_Chrysoprase

    Not sure why the pastor is tipping his god. If there is one, the service is really shitty.

  • cyb pauli

    Did she say “Hi my name be Dayna and I like the V?”

    • 3lemenope

      Yeah, the assumption is almost more offensive than what resulted as a consequence of the assumption.

      Almost.

      • McAtheist

        I used to train waiters, they probably figured it out from the canned intro which goes something like this.
        “Hi, my name is Chad, I’ll be your waiter tonight. I like to have sex with other guys and listen to show tunes. The specials tonight are spaghetti with meatballs and trout almandine.”

        • Churchlady320

          Well – you serve spaghetti and meatballs with trout, no WONDER you don’t get a tip!

          • Carmelita Spats

            Spaghetti with meatballs and trout almandine? Hell, I told them I had a bitchin’ bottle of 2,000-year-old Blood of Christ and Cheez Whiz which would smooth over the rancid aftertaste of those Body-of-Christ transubstantiated communion wafers. I got stiffed. I got thrown out of church. Blasphemous waitressing during communion is not a good idea.

  • David Curtis

    An asshole is an asshole. An ignorant , bigoted Christian asshole is an asshole for Jesus. Doesn’t bother Jesus because he forgives all sins, but those of us less perfect wish bad news and hard times on people like this.

  • Heiko

    I like to confuse the hell out of religious people by not showing them respect just because they’re religious. You gotta earn respect, you don’t inherit it.

    • http://hauntedtimber.wordpress.com/ timberwraith

      I believe that every human being is deserving of a basic level of respect, regardless of race, sexual orientation, class, religious philosophy, country of origin, age, ability, etc.

  • Psychotic Atheist

    Whatever ye do to the least of these ye do unto me, unless they’re fags. Nobody likes fags, right? — Jesus

    • Lark62

      God Loves Everyone *

      (*some exceptions apply)

  • observer

    It’s telling they knew the waitress was gay, yet it wasn’t until after she did her job serving her(?) that the customer felt her “lifestyle” was an issue.
    I’m almost surprised the customer didn’t add that the waitress ought to be grateful to serve such a “righteous” Christian.

  • Paul Zimmerle

    I know the waitress involved with the Alois Bell incident. That one had nothing to do with homosexuality – just one hell of a greedy pastor.
    These people are awful.

  • Corey Robey

    Why not be an honest christian and tell them at the beginning that you don’t like them, won’t tip them, and probably shouldn’t be served by them? Oh, because it will make you look bad…. Well, as long as you’re proud to stand up for what you believe… lol…

  • seatazzz

    I’ve been a waitress/bartender for over 20 years, and have always strived to give great service no matter who I am serving…the establishment I work for has a large “regular” clientele so they all know me well. Once in a while I’ll get a walk in customer who gets the same service as everyone else..a smile, a joke, and their drinks/meal served quickly and correctly. My theory has always been, for every shitty or no-tipper out there, there are at least 10 more who will tip well. I’ve had church groups come in, have a bill over $200, and leave only $5 (this is for the cook, waitress, & bartender to SPLIT). Had a guy explain that he couldn’t in conscience leave more because “we’re a church group with little money to spare” and he was sure I would understand. If you have the money to spend on an outing that costs that much, eat, drink (yes they DID drink), how can you leave just that for a tip for THREE PEOPLE???? Moral Majority my ASS.

    Not to demean what Dayna went through, which was appalling to say the least, but this is more of a “keep your chin up” message that there are still people out there who appreciate her and what she does, and has done for her country!

  • McAtheist

    It’s a new fundie trend I think: get ready for ‘Stiff-a-gay-waiter-for-jesus-day’.
    The: ‘how to tell if your server is gay so I can stiff him/her’ book.
    (Also available in vid).
    The list of: ‘restaurants that employ gay waiters in the continental US’.
    And the talk shows: ‘We went to dinner and was served by a guy who touches other guys junk on his own private time, now our cousin Benny has done caught the gay’.

  • CanadianNihilist

    I was in Japan recently. Great service and no tipping. They get paid to do a job, they do their job, end of story.
    Lovely country.

    • Lark62

      It would be great is the custom in the US changed and the cost of service was included in the price of the meal. Instead, servers are paid a pathetic base wage that must be supplemented by tips to approximate a normal wage. Maybe the custom will change someday, but for now, It is what it is.

      These goody good christians essentially stole the service while claiming to be righteous. They are pathetic and immoral. They need to read what the bible says about cheating other people in business transactions – specifically it is an abomination. I guess abominations are only bad when other people do them.

  • Freediver

    Pseudo Christians…Authentic Nazis! “Sieg Heil”

  • dick_sakwrinkle

    She had me until that part about having “served in the Marines to keep ignorant people like them free”, and the implied threat at the end. Nevertheless, she DID deserve a tip.

  • Brien DeChristopher

    I think this article is an agenda-based hunk of trash. Just because the writer of the column SAYS the receipt was written on by a Christian (while the scrawling poses absolutely NO mention of Christianity or God) and it was supposedly written to a Gay person (where, again, the scrawling says NOTHING about what the lifestyle they have issue with is), I can only come to the conclusion that this article is a hate-filled agenda article to try to turn people against Christians and to assist in support for gays and atheists. How Hypocritical. Shame on all of you for buying this BS article as fact.

    • Mario Strada

      Indeed. They were probably Buddhists and the lifestyle they objected to was riding a bike without a helmet.

    • phantomreader42

      So, Brien, given the already-documented asshattery of your fellow death cultists, and the complete and utter lack of any plausible alternative explanation, why should anyone believe you and your bizarre delusions?

    • Nox

      In what other context would anyone ever say that?

  • m

    So where’s the article for when I cheated out of my tips because I’m a Christian? Oh, wait, there isn’t one because this world today is full of hypocrisy? Idiots.

    • m

      when I was*

    • phantomreader42

      So where’s the article for when I was cheated out of my tips because I’m a Christian?

      Did that actually happen, in the real world, not in a hallucination or martyrbation fantasy? Did your boss steal your tips because you’re a christian or because he’s an asshole and a thief? Did people refuse to tip you because of your religion or because you were too damn busy babbling about your imaginary friend to do your fucking job? Or are you just whining that ridiculous hallucinations aren’t being used to “balance” the documented asshattery of your fellow death cultists?

  • john

    tips has nothing to do with being gay it is for the tipe of sev you get an yall were wrong about it ppl like this makers me wonder

  • teviko

    No way a Christian family did this. This is a hoax and I will explain why. Even as a Christian, the Bible *does* say that homosexuality is a sin, in today’s society, a gay lifestyle is more accepted than a Christian one. Therefore, NO christian in teh world would do some utter non-sense like this. Not only are *we* demonized and victimized and portrayed as religious zealots, but in today’s society, we are ‘told’ that we must be accepting of all things or be bigots.

    Anyone can ‘claim’ to be Christian, anyone can claim to be muslim, and anyone can claim to be bi-polar. It is how you act to you fellow man that defines who you are as a person. If you did this and claim to be a Christian, you give all Christians a bad name, a bad reputation, as if we needed more.

    No, this was some jerk who did this. Not only a jerk to the woman in question, but to Christians as well.

    This was absolutely distasteful.

    • 3lemenope

      Let’s sing the no-true-Christian song.

      All together now!

    • Nox

      What is more accepted in today’s church?

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      The people in the above story did a shitty thing. They also think Jesus told them it was an acceptable thing to do or, at least, would forgive them for it.

      How exactly does this make them not Christian? My definition of a Christian is someone who believes Jesus died and was resurrected to cleanse them of sins. The rest is minor theological debates (though, granted, those minor theological debates caused a huge number of wars and deaths). Can you define what Christian is for me please? Your definition of a Christian is _______?

    • phantomreader42

      teviko, would you be so kind as to post a picture of your
      certificate, signed personally by almighty god in eternally burning
      letters, that appoints you and you alone as the sole arbiter of what
      constitutes a true christian? Until you do, shut the fuck up with the No
      True Scotsman bullshit.

  • Evelyn Glover

    A $93.00 bill is not small and maybe anything over a certain amount should have a 20% tip built into it, just as they do for large parties.

  • Judy

    I don’t think it is fair to Title this article as if Jesus had anything to do with it…the blame goes to the action of the person paying.

  • Bozo_Profundo

    And where is the evidence that this person was a Christian? I see no name on that ticket. This guy claims to have been trained to be a journalist, but he accepts blatant innuendo as evidence? The waitress herself could have written the note to elicit sympathy (as has been done elsewhere), or the people doing this could just be atheists trying (successfuly) to trash people of faith (thanks to gullible people like Firma).

  • M E

    There’s a special place in hell for people like this. I hate people who pretend to have my religion.

  • steve

    This is the very reason why Christians get a bad rap! If you are a man or women of God leave a gracious tip + 5 -10 % more than the standard tip. Then leave a trac or note of salvation or better yet leave a note of appreciation and communicate to their boss/manager
    of their service. If the restaurant is frequented often by you build a relationship with the sever by leaving a gracious tip then present Christ as the Holy Spirit leads…….Regardless of their orientation ,race, beliefs etc….

    • WhatTheWhat

      Don’t leave behind tracs or “notes of salvation”. Who ever came up with that has to take the award for being the most brain dead and moronic people on the planet. Everyone who gives those to others or leaves them around should apologize to the entire human race.

  • The Skeptic

    Ok not to be THAT GUY but I have to ask (as I ask with ANY claim), how do we know this story to be true? I’m not saying the server lied but I am a skeptic of all things. Is it plausible this happened? Certainly. Is it plausible that a person made up a story to get attention? Yes.

    Again, I AM NOT SAYING SHE MADE IT UP. But, I have to approach this with the same skepticism I would have if a fundy claimed atheists stiffed her because of her beliefs. I guess my one point of contention would be: at what point would the server’s sexual orientation come up during the meal? It’s a a red flag.

    Once again, please don’t slag me…I am not saying 100% certain that this is a hoax or it is real. Just a friendly reminder to my fellow friendly atheists to always BE SKEPTICAL.

  • Jacque

    I am a christian. I do not agree with this person’s actions. They saw WWJD. Well… Jesus wouldn’t stiff a waitress like that. Jesus wasn’t a judgmental pick. He did not hate . I don’t understand why people do these things in His name.

  • Dave

    I’m skeptical of these receipts. In all the restaurants I have ever been to, the sexual preference of the waiter/waitress has never come up. You order and maybe exchange a few pleasantries. I’ve never had a waitress say ” hello my name is Karen and I will be your lesbian server today”

    • FTP_LTR

      I was once at a company gathering in a bar where my 2-up boss took over the karaoke microphone and declared, “My name is [name], I’ll be your homosexual for the evening. Our first song is… [etc]” but that’s not quite the same, I admit.

  • David

    I am the straightest, most right wing conservative you have ever meet and I think this is terrible. It is not my job to judge anyone on their lifestyle. Anyone who says they are doing this because of their Christian beliefs had better do a little self examination.

    I know you want to bash Christians at every turn. Really get to know the ones that are true, and not just the ones that want wave a Bible around and tell you how good they are.

    • FTP_LTR

      Hi David, please could you post a link to the official register of True Christians as it would prevent many misunderstandings.

      • David

        Believe me I wish there was one. I know where some of them have breakfast on Saturday morning, but thats the best I can do…

  • Donovan McDonald

    Just because someone doesn’t agree with another’s lifestyle doesn’t mean they are a Christian….there are jerks of all persuasions.

  • Losthopeforhumanity

    I hate it when “Christians” do this. I am a Christian and I would NEVER do this! That women earned the money. And to go further my best friend is Gay and is happily in a relationship, I may disagree with it, but I don’t believe he’s going to hell for it, or that it makes him anymore of a person! Damn I hate it when people give us, who act like a TRUE Christian should! It puts such a hatred on the Christian name. And that is why people are so turned off by us. Because we stick our noses in where it doesn’t belong, bible thump until doomsday(not pun intended) and treat those that are different with disdain. Please those of you who are nonbelievers, I am not going to say anything high and mighty about being a Christian, I’m not trying to convert you, but please, PLEASE don’t think that these two asshole are good examples of Christians we’re not all this judgmental, self-righteous, bigoted, and Jackass-like. Please Please to let these people be your peeked into our faith and our character. There those who follow Christ and those who are merely “religious” and these people with the lack of respect for a fellow person and pulling such a cheap stunt and cheap shot at this woman’s lifestyle, they are most certainly nothing but religious practitioners. Just like the Pharisees who didn’t care about those who weren’t in their “special” club.

    • Daniel Schealler

      For what it’s worth, as far as this atheist is aware, in the US Christians and non-Christians tip pretty much the same.

      The problem is that the small number of bad tippers happen to be predominantly Christian and will explicitly use their religion as a dodge. This disproportionately skews the perception.

      In my opinion religion takes what a person already has and reinforces it. Good people do more good more often. But jerks just get even jerkier.

      Speaking as a Kiwi here, I think that the underlying problem is that in the US it is considered culturally acceptable for business owners to employ staff for next to nothing such that the staff rely on tips to make a living wage in the first place. But maybe that’s just me.

      • Rob Hurt

        Wow…still pondering your statement “In my opinion religion takes what a person already has and reinforces it. Good people do more good more often. But jerks get even jerkier.” I’m a Christian, and to me that’s a little different than “religion”, but based on the behavior of most of us Christians, I think your statement is quite accurate.

        • Daniel Schealler

          To inform your pondering, consider this: Believers’ estimates of God’s beliefs are more egocentric than estimates of other people’s beliefs.

          The abstract:

          People often reason egocentrically about others’ beliefs, using their own beliefs as an inductive guide. Correlational, experimental, and neuroimaging evidence suggests that people may be even more egocentric when reasoning about a religious agent’s beliefs (e.g., God). In both nationally representative and more local samples, people’s own beliefs on important social and ethical issues were consistently correlated more strongly with estimates of God’s beliefs than with estimates of other people’s beliefs (Studies 1–4).

          Manipulating people’s beliefs similarly influenced estimates of God’s beliefs but did not as consistently influence estimates of other people’s beliefs (Studies 5 and 6). A final neuroimaging study demonstrated a clear convergence in neural activity when reasoning about one’s own beliefs and God’s beliefs, but clear divergences when reasoning about another person’s beliefs (Study 7).

          In particular, reasoning about God’s beliefs activated areas associated with self-referential thinking more so than did reasoning about another person’s beliefs. Believers commonly use inferences about God’s beliefs as a moral compass, but that compass appears especially dependent on one’s own existing beliefs.

          Couple of different ways to interpret this, so I expect that as a believer and an atheist, you and I would probably interpret that study very differently. ^_^

          Still, more grist for the mill is always a good thing.

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      Oh, we all know not all or even most Christians are like this. Many of us used to be Christians, and most of us have friends and family who still are.

      Most Christians are perfectly lovely people, as most people are. We just don’t think being Christian makes you a better person, and stories like this provide the evidence we need to reach that conclusion.

  • Losthopeforhumanity

    And to the woman who got stiffed – thank you for serving our country I can’t apologize enough for the ridiculousness of some who care our name of Christian and smother it in the mud. No matter what you choice maybe.

  • Losthopeforhumanity

    Pardon any typos, I tend to get really riled up about this and tend to type faster than I think, and I can make mistakes like anyone can.

  • FaggHater2010

    Shouldn’t have been gay.

    • Trevor

      Lmfao. True dattt

  • Asianman

    Just like some White man wrote left a note on the receipt that she wasn’t going to get a tip because of her race and called her the N word! America what a country to love not!

  • Rob Hurt

    I am a Christian and I believe homosexuality is wrong, just as I believe heterosexual adultery is wrong. That being said, I believe the behavior of this family was NOT Christ-like. A tip is based on service, not on the way a person looks or their personal life-style choices. As to the tipping conversations, I do not like 18% being added to my ticket as a tip…I tip 20% for good service which is a habit I learned from my boss…a pastor. I believe the Jesus I read about in the Bible would have engaged in a genuinely caring conversation with this waitress and tipped at least 20%. I would like to suggest that it is us, Jesus’ followers, that are messed up and not the Jesus we follow. I know often I do not accurately portray the Christ I claim to follow. As a Christ-follower, I apologize to this server.

    • Wit

      A 18% tip is the standard gratuity added to the bill for large groups. Not everyone tips as generously as you do especially for a servicing a large party of guests so restaurants add the automatic 18% to ensure their servers aren’t worked to death then unfairly stiffed. That said since you inferred that homosexual adultery is wrong I suppose you are therefore pro-gay marriage, right?

  • Charolette

    And I guess these customers call themselves Christians. Judge not or you shall be judged….I feel sorry for them when they think they are going to make it through the Pearly Gates and are turned away because they judged someone. Besides that, the lifestyle of others is none of our business – clean up your own life before opening your un-Christian mouth.

  • Roberto Villagomez

    Hmm what would Jesus do?
    Not tip apparently…

  • David

    Just wondering why this article is titled “Another Gay Waitress gets Stiffed for Jesus.” When we don’t even know if the customer was a Christian. Maybe they just didn’t agree with the lifestyle. Don’t title an article completely based on assumption. Yes the other examples were obviously people who claimed to be Christians, but the one that the story was written about doesn’t even show any religious background. I am a Christian and I think not leaving a tip over something like that is completely wrong.

  • David

    Sweet, my comment got deleted.

  • Bozo_Profundo

    And now we know that this story isn’t about bigotry, it is bigotry and those that spread it are the real bigots. Hey cracker, are you going to let your readers know this was a hoax? C’mon, be honest for once.

  • Sandalsnoshoes

    This whole story has been disproved and shown to be a lie. The waitress made the whole thing up. Worse, she actually added the charge that the people left on the other receipt ($18). All her comments about that event were a lie. She even lied about giving all of her donations to the Wounded Warrior Project. I was wondering how all of you felt about your disparaging comments towards … everyone?


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