This Must Be What Christian Apologists Think a College Philosophy Class is Like

Remember the trailer for the forthcoming Christian movie God’s Not Dead? It featured a mean atheist professor (played by Kevin Sorbo) and a brave Christian student…

As I said before, it was as if someone turned Snopes, the urban-legend debunking website, into a movie.

Well, LoveInvasion.org just posted a 9-minute movie on YouTube that is somehow even more cliché than that. But without the post-production and raw celebrity power.

It features a professor who walks into a (I presume philosophy) classroom and announces that God isn’t real and that Christianity is a big lie — something that has happened zero times in the history of ever.

Several students walk out of class, angry and upset, leaving behind a small group of men to fend for the faith — the female students are never heard from again. Turns out a couple of the guys know *all* the apologetic arguments…

The professor, after class, weeps for her eternal soul

The fun begins at the 1:00 mark:

I love the bit at 5:00 when the Christian student raises a classic question… and then suggests that we should believe in God because it’s just easier:

Student 1: You all do realize that it actually takes more faith to not believe in God than it does to believe in God?

Student 2 (in the worst acting job since Student 1): How so?

Student 1: Well, who created the stars?

Student 2: [Shrug]

Student 1: Now, you see, wouldn’t it just be easier to say ‘God’?

Easier? Yes. Honest? Nope.

Oh! And you *have* to watch the segment around 6:10 just to hear the ominous music change.

This professor’s in for a rough semester, what with her fewer-than-a-dozen students, the most vocal of whom are in need of severe re-education, and her inability to properly teach a class.

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • Bob Churchill

    Urgh it’s all such awful, awful, transparent propaganda. I have never in my life seen a ‘preachy’ atheist lecturer like that. I want to say, at least no one will believe it, but that’s probably over-optimistic.

    • grindstone

      Number of professors I had who discussed religion or their personal religions: zero
      Number of professors who knew or cared if I was religious: zero

      And yes, I had to take a philosophy class, but the goofy old guy was so enamoured of himself that he likely did not believe in anything larger. I can honestly say the only religion that was brought up was something about a curse on a tomb and the archeologists later all dying mysteriously.

      • Itarion

        That was in Egypt right? If I remember correctly, it was some disease that had been living in isolation in the tomb for some couple thousand years. Cool stuff.

        • grindstone

          It may have been a made-up scenario. Our task was to find a plausible alternative to “an actual curse” caused the men’s deaths. I remember so well because the professor totally dismissed any answer that did not mirror his own, and he had some bizarre set of events that included the song “Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered”.

          • Itarion

            I saw some History channel documentary on it way back when History channel actually did documentaries. It was a real thing, in that there was a series of deaths among those present when the tomb was opened. The so-called curse of Tutenkhamun.

  • keddaw

    If you don’t believe in Santa, why do you hate him so much?

    • WallofSleep

      December 25th, 1978. He knows why.

      • Birdie1986

        Thanks for the laugh.

      • WallofSleep

        Oh, I got Rock ‘Em Sock ‘Em Robots. Indeed I did.

        But I asked for a “Millennium Falcon”. MILLENNIUM FUCKING FALCON!!! How the hell can you possibly confuse that with anything else on this god damned planet?

        • WallofSleep

          Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to Star Trek fandom.

          • WallofSleep

            There’s no such thing as a “Dune vs. [insert some other sci-fi series here]” schism, is there?

            EDIT: It does have that neat, rationalistic mantra: “It is by will alone I set my mind in motion…”:

            • baal

              You either make it through the Frank Herbert books because you love them or you give up and never want to speak of them again. It tends to prevent schisms when one side doesn’t even want to start the disagreement.

              Franks’ son Brian wrote a few books but they were generally pulp fiction boring and never captured the politics, boring yet amazing language or environmentalism of Frank.

              • WallofSleep

                “You either make it through the Frank Herbert books because you love them or you give up and never want to speak of them again.”

                Should be chiseled in stone somewhere.

              • katiehippie

                They are wayyyyy more violent as well. I thought they were ok except for the last one to wrap up the series. Very lame ending.

            • baal

              “It is by will alone” I think that phrase was created by the Hollywood movie Dune and wasn’t in the books (beyond the reference to the red stained lips from the juice of sapho (pronounced sah-fuu in the movie – I was thinking of the other pronunciation “Sappho”).

        • David McNerney

          December 25th, 1978 – you say..

          That’s when I got that Millenium Falcon I didn’t even ask for – I love you Santa.

        • Art_Vandelay

          I don’t know. He managed to confuse the 11th Doctor’s sonic screwdriver with 10th Doctor’s sonic screwdriver on me last year. I wanted to give him a pass but man…fuck the 11th Doctor.

          • WallofSleep

            “Wow, is there ANY geek shit that I don’t like?”

            I swear to Kryten, if you say “Red Dwarf”, I’ll pee on your car tires everyday for the rest of my life.

        • CanadianNihilist

          I got one, it was awesome. It opened up and was pretty detailed inside, you could put the action figgers in the cockpit and I think it made sounds with the press of a button.

          Maybe I got yours cause I don’t remember asking for it.

      • eric

        Don’t worry Wall of Sleep, if South Park is anything to go by, the NSA has him chained in a dungeon. Evidently, they’re using him to know when you are sleeping, know when you’re awake, and know when you’ve been bad or good…

  • islandbrewer

    Which one was Einstein?

    • Pepe

      Both of them.

  • ed2525

    head spin. Just reading the quotes has turned me into a Souther baptist

  • Art_Vandelay

    Not to get all hyperbolic, but that really may be the worst thing ever produced in the history of everything ever. Of course, this begs the question…if there’s a history of everything ever, where did that come from?
    Wait, what?

  • unbound55

    Looks like a video version of the “Atheist Professor with No Brain” christian tale that has been around for many years.

    Someone put up the whole christian tale with a continuation of the story (http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/brain.htm). The continuation / rebuttal starts immediately after “The Christian sits… ” about 2/3 of the way down.

  • WallofSleep

    “Students Defend Christianity against Atheist College Class”
    Wouldn’t that be seen as a redundancy by the target audience?

    “Jesus is the most popular imaginary friend in all of human history.”

    “Why is there so much evil in the world?”

    “You all do realize that it actually takes more faith to not believe in God than it does to believe in God?”

    For fuck’s sake, this is like watching a one-legged cat try to bury a turd in a marble floor. So. Much. Fail.

    • islandbrewer

      I stealing the “one-legged cat trying to bury a turd in a marble floor.”

      • WallofSleep

        Youtube commenter “MrGreycoat”:

        “There is unquestionable proof for the existence of Christ. If you’ve
        never been to Saudi Arabia, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.”

        That cat just lost his last leg.

        • busterggi

          Cat with no legs is deaf.

        • Stev84

          It’s just a flesh wound.

          • James Buchy

            He’ll bite your kneecaps!

        • Intelligent Donkey

          I question it.

        • TheMarkness

          The best part about “unquestionable proof” is that it’s still questionable…especially considering the source for the “proof”.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    The dead parrotGod skit.

    A customer enters a church.

    Mr. Praline: ‘Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

    (The Priest does not respond.)

    Mr. Praline: ‘Ello, Minister?

    Owner: What do you mean “Minister” I am a priest, do I look like a protestant reformer to you? Not bloody likely

    Mr. Praline: (pause)I’m sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!

    Owner: We’re closin’ for the passover seder .

    Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my Father. I wish to complain about this God what I worshipped not half an hour ago from this very alter.

    Priest: Oh yes, the, uh, the Palestinian Yahweh…What’s,uh…What’s wrong with it?

    Mr. Praline: I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it, my Father. ‘E’s dead, that’s what’s wrong with it!

    Priest: No, no, ‘e’s uh,…he’s resting. It is the seventh day afterall.

    Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead God when I see one, and I’m looking at one right now.

    Priest: No no he’s not dead, he’s, he’s restin’! Remarkable God, the Yahweh, idn’it, ay? Beautiful scriptures and parables!

    Mr. Praline: The parables and questionable morality don’t enter into it. This stone-age god is stone dead.

    Priest: Nononono, no, no! ‘E’s resting!

    Mr. Praline: All right then, if he’s restin’, I’ll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) ‘Ello, Mister Omnipotent God! I’ve got a lovely burnt offering for you if you show…

    (owner hits the gilded cage)

    Priest: There, he moved!

    Mr. Praline: No, he didn’t, that was you hitting the cross and claiming divine involvement, when a naturalistic explaination, a la you hitting the cage, would suffice!

    Priest: I never!! God done moved. ‘e moves in mysterious way, ya know.

    Mr. Praline: No ‘e don’t. He isn’t moving in a mysterious way, unless laying perfectly still because he’s dead counts as mysterious moving.

    Priest: Uh, Ya it does. That God itsn’t dead….

    Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) ‘ELLO Yehwah!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o’clock alarm call, you hosts of hosts!

    (Takes God out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)

    Mr. Praline: Now that’s what I call a dead God.

    Priest: No, no…..No, ‘e’s stunned!

    Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!? How can I stun an omnipotent being. Am I stronger than the strongest conceivable being in the entire universe.

    Priest: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin’ up! Yahweh stuns easily, major, why do you think he’s always restin’.

    Mr. Praline: Um…now look…now look, mate, I’ve definitely ‘ad enough of this. That God is definitely deceased, and when I worshipped it not ‘alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to him bein’ mysterious and unknowable to mere mortals and shagged out following a prolonged intervention in all the worlds problems.

    Priest: Well, he’s…he’s, ah…probably pining for the fjords.

    Mr. Praline: PININ’ for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got ‘im home?

    Priest: Yahweh prefers keepin’ on it’s back! That way he’s alway lookin’ at heaven. Remarkable God, id’nit, squire?

    Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that God when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its cross in the first place was that it had been NAILED there.

    (pause)

    Priest: Well, o’course it was nailed there! If I hadn’t nailed that God down, how else would He have preformed the sacrificial blood letting that cleansed the sin fo’ me and you?

    Mr. Praline: “sacrificial blood letting”?!? Mate, this God wouldn’t accept a scarfice if you put four million virgins through it! ‘E’s bleedin’ demised!

    Priest: No no! ‘E’s pining!

    Mr. Praline: ‘E’s not pinin’! ‘E’s passed on! This God is no more! He has ceased to be! ‘E’s expired and gone to meet ‘itself! ‘E’s a stiff! Bereft of life, ‘e rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed ‘im to the cross ‘e’d be pushing up the daisies! ‘Is metabolic processes are now ‘istory! ‘E’s off the twig! ‘E’s kicked the bucket, ‘e’s shuffled off ‘is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-God!!

    (pause)

    Priest: Well, I’d better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Here have a Jesus. ‘Tis an younger hipper God… Definitely not dead.

    Mr. Praline: Are you kiddin’ me? It’s the same bloody God. Same bloody nail holes. And the same bloody lack of life. Ain’t there any other god, I could devote my life too?

    Priest: (pause) I got a white dove……

    Mr. Praline: White dove? Holy spirit, eh? Oh well.

    • Greg G.

      That’s terrific! One question: How did you get the accents inside my head?

      • busterggi

        ventriloquism

    • baal

      That was long but an excellent read!

    • invivoMark

      YOU WIN.

    • Gus

      I know I’m just supposed to be laughing at your incredible Python reference, but it just got me to thinking:

      If the Sabbath is supposed to be a day of rest, and the day on which God rested, and we’re supposed to remember it and keep it holy, why do people spend that day worshiping, “making a joyous noise”, and praying? If it were my day of rest, and everyone started making a bunch of noise, and then asking me to do a bunch of work, I’d be pretty peeved.

      • WallofSleep

        I’ve said before that going to church services on the sabbath causes the preacher to ply his trade, putting said preacher and the entire congregation in violation of that commandment.

        • Castilliano

          When people bring up the importance of the 10 commandments, I like to ask them these two questions:
          What day are Christians not supposed to work?
          What day do pastors work?
          After that, I let them start the unraveling.

          • cyb pauli

            All theists have an unlimited supply of special plead. Pastors working isn’t really work, it’s servicing God.

            • Itarion

              Typically, when I get my car serviced, the mechanics are working. That [okay, all] plead is crappy.

            • Jim Jones

              What happens when your mare gets serviced?

              • cyb pauli

                Sabbath doesn’t apply to sires. :D

    • James Buchy

      Oh I am SO stealing this! Of course, NO credit will be given since I am a godless heathen.

  • SeekerLancer

    Nobody involved in this video has ever attended a philosophy class in their lives.

    • WallofSleep

      It’s also clear that none of them have ever encountered a real, live atheist in the wild.

      • Elly

        To be fair we can only be encountered in the tall grass.

        • Lando

          And we all know you don’t go into the tall grass.

    • John

      Or any college class, for that matter.

    • Randay

      Given the look of the prof, this is clearly a ripoff of Dr. House. With none of the humor nor insight.

    • Cody Smith

      Or an acting class.

    • TheMarkness

      THANK YOU!!!! There isn’t a single philosophy teacher ON THE PLANET OR IN HISTORY that has begun a class berating a particular religion.

  • dsmith

    This film is classic martyrdom, which is after all what Christians have clung to for 2,000 years. Psychologically born again Christians identify with Jesus suffering, being rejected, whipped, spit on and gladly turn any rejection of their dogmatic beliefs into suffering along side of Jesus. My brother was in a cult known as the Jehovah Witnesses for decades and they thrived on being told they were nuts by the “Worldly” people.

    A good response from the professor to the student would have been… Why don’t you climb down from your cross!

  • Marty

    I once read a book by the author and philosopher Mortimer Adler, can’t remember which title. My memory is that in this book he described how he was teaching a philosophy class and insisted that all his students agree with his proof of the existence of god before they could, I can’t remember – leave the room? pass the class? It sounded distressing. Then he described how later he himself concluded that there had been a flaw in his argument. and it did not in fact prove the existence of a god.
    So if my memory is correct about that book, and if he was accurately describing his teaching, there was at least one case where a philosophy professor insisted that his class accept that there WAS a god.
    According to wikipedia he eventually became a Catholic; I don’t know if that was before or after he wrote the book I’m thinking of.

  • Unlearn

    “If there were no God, there would be no atheists.” I don’t even… I can’t… think… too much… dumb-making.

    • TheG

      That makes sense, though.

      In “The Invention of Lying”, there has never been a lie in the history of the world. Thus, they have no word for “lie”, but they have no word for “truth” either.

      If there were no gods at all, what would you call a person who didn’t believe in god? Nothing. There would be no word for it because there would be no need for the word.

      • baal

        The error is that we’d all be atheists (not “no atheists”) (and not have a word or concept for it as you rightly point out).

      • Paul Reed

        You’re confusing a concept with a reality. There are no gods, but only concepts of gods. Theists are people who believe that real gods exist.

        In your second paragraph, you’re essentially saying that atheists only have a word to describe themselves because some kind of god actually exists
        You’re correct that the concept exists, and that atheism and theism derive from that concept, but no actual god is necessary in order for the existence of atheism to make sense.
        Quite the opposite, in fact.

    • Ann Onymous

      If there were no Invisible Pink Unicorn, there would be no disbelievers in him!
      If there were no purple furry harmonica in my hand, there would be no disbelievers in it!

  • Kevin Jackson

    A few years ago, the viral myth this movie was based on was going around and I created this little vid to try to get them to see what a ridiculous farce it was.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0-koah0K8

  • Alan Duval

    Oh, man, that was nauseating.

    “The truth is…”

    No. No it’s not.

  • eric

    It features a professor who walks into a (I presume philosophy) classroom and announces that God isn’t real and that Christianity is a big lie — something that has happened zero times in the history of ever.

    Oh, I expect it’s happened. I’ll go further and say I can imagine a context in which such a proclamation is good pedagogy! Don’t believe me? Here’s an example:

    Philosophy professor walks into the first class of the semester and says “reality is an illusion, its all a big lie – discuss.”

    Philosophy professor walks into the second class of the semester and says
    “there is no such thing as right or wrong – discuss.”

    Philosophy professor walks into the third class of the semester and says “a statement and it’s logical contradiction can be true at the same time – discuss.”
    The, on the umpteenth iteration of this technique, and maybe after already doing a day’s discussion on some less-controversial religion, they use God and Christianity as the subject of the day’s discussion.

  • KMR

    I went to a liberal college and this would have been a cool ass class to attend. Yeah the movie obviously is on the side of the apologetics (which really kudos for college age kids if they are that well versed in the arguments for their faith. That wouldn’t happen in the real world very often), but how neat if Christian privilege were thrown out in educational settings more often and people confronted with their own idiocy in intelligent, thoughtful, respectful ways. I might have confronted the stupidity of my own beliefs sooner if I had attended a class like this.

    I got bored though halfway through and stopped watching. If they made the atheist professor at the end of the movie actually affected by those arguments then that’s ridiculous since anyone with enough balls to open up her class with a declaration like she did would have already already researched and dismissed the arguments like the rest of us.

  • Hurryupandpost

    How do you get into college and not know how stars are made?

    • Gus

      Sadly, I expect if you asked a random sample of recent baccalaureate graduates from American universities how stars were made, the majority would not be able do answer you. Let alone high school graduates.

      • Itarion

        It’s because of the terribly low science gen ed requirements. My own college is dropping it down to a single science class is required to graduate. I object.

    • Elly

      Community College. Got a pulse? Come on in!

    • Timmah

      Dude you give people too much credit. I bet if i went around my office and asked what is the closest star to Earth I’d get a bunch of “How would i know that??” replys.

      • David S.

        To be fair, very few people can answer that one correctly. Isaac Asimov himself pointed out that he got that wrong in one of his lectures.

        • guest

          I think because “other than the sun” is implied. It’s more a semantic trick than an actual test of knowledge.

          • David S.

            Unlike some semantic tricks, it’s an entirely clear question, and important to remembering that the Sun is not exceptional. In any case, Asimov’s book “Alpha Centauri, the nearest star” is incorrectly named; Alpha Centauri is a multiple star system, and Proxima Centauri (in that system, but distinctly named) is the nearest star besides the Sun.

            And really, any answer besides the Sun is trivia. There’s a case that educated adults should know how stars are formed; it’s part of the history of our universe that had a direct impact on current lives. On the other hand, knowing that Proxima Centauri is the nearest star to our Sun is trivia; it’s geographical coincidence that has no impact on anything.

  • Gus

    Do they really think college professors do that? Really?

    Worst. Straw. Woman. Ever.

    • Patrick

      I think it’s because so few of the most evangelical christians in this country actually attend college. Either that or maybe their mind is so warped by religion that (given what I actually think was a pretty reasonable statement by the professor in this clip) what’s reasonable to the rational mind is persecution to the indoctrinated mind.

      • Gus

        Or they went to Evangelical Christian colleges, where the professors actually do approach classes that way, except the assertion is the opposite.

      • WillBell

        I was at a christian summer camp and the counsellors were talking to each other about god, someone brought up Pascal’s Wager and explained it, and all the counsellors basically went MIND=BLOWN so I think it is reasonable to say that any of these arguments would seem sensible to many Christians.

    • Unlearn

      I’m amazed the writer thought it seemed realistic to make the professor appear so visibly shaken by such illogical arguments. She’s obviously going to be kept up at night reevaluating her 6-11 years of education in philosophy because some freshman gave her some bumper sticker arguments.

  • Carol Lynn

    Was this class called, “Philosophy 105: How not to think: The use of logical fallacies”? They clearly only took it to get an easy A as it was obvious they already knew all the material.

    That was painful.

  • David McNerney

    FriendlyAtheist my arse – give me my 9 minutes of life back!!

    • WallofSleep

      You knew what this was…

      • David McNerney

        I know. (Hangs head in shame). I have the buyers remorse.

  • Gus

    7:40:

    The problem with most Americans is that they can’t fathom the need for a life full of miracles because they are so saturated in a culture that is dominated by materialism.

    Translation: The world needs more poverty and suffering so that people will need to rely on God to save them from it. Yeah, great moral religion you’ve got there.

    we reject Christ because of his outrageous call for men to die.

    Well, that would be a good reason to reject Christ, but no, we really do reject him because of the paucity of evidence. In fact, setting aside the question of whether Jesus of Nazareth existed, we have absolutely no reliable evidence that the Christ, that is, the Messiah, a messenger from or son of God, actually existed. But again, nice moral religion you’ve got there that calls for death to redeem people from the sin of their ancestors thousands of years before, which an all knowing, all powerful God created them knowing they would commit.

    I really do wish they’d stop creating straw people to argue with. It’s insulting, cheap and degrading. Mostly to themselves.

    • busterggi

      Ah, but straw people have no brains, see ‘The Wizard of Oz’ for confirmation.

      • Itarion

        Even with a diploma. He totally misquoted Pythagoras.

        • busterggi

          Probably a degree in Theater Arts judging by all his singing & dancing.

          • Itarion

            Because what can you do with a Fine Arts degree?

    • Faith Bavonese

      There’s an ad on the metro which shows a crying young African girl and quotes her as believing in God despite the fact that [militia] killed her family in front of her. I am incredibly grossed out by it every time I see it. I’m not sure why the faith of a child suffering from PTSD is supposed to make me believe anything.

  • Redorblack Nigelbottom

    Keep rewording a comment… ‘childish’, ‘stupid’, ‘why?’ come to mind. What kept going through my head was that this seemed like it was written as an assignment by elementary school kids who just referenced Youtube videos with titles like “1 question to destroy an atheist” type of crap. They got done with this film, high fived each other and are now waiting for the conversions to start happening in a viral manner all over the world. Just occurred to me… books/movies/television which is fiction requires “suspension of dis-belief” for one to enjoy them. So is this, only they want it to continue for life… and it doesn’t work for the first minute.

  • mikespeir

    Even easier to say, “Og.” Fewer letters.

  • advancedatheist
  • Itarion

    Hmmm… That teacher’s an ass. I don’t like him all that much either.

    Besides, philosophy is less about teaching what to think than how to think. So, he does it poorly, too.

  • Gus

    I think they actually meant this to be a science class, judging by the book titled “Evolution” at the beginning, and the professor’s comments on science. Which might explain why she doesn’t already know about the Cosmological argument and the obvious refutation (that is, premise 1, that there must be a cause for existence, is not shown and makes the argument circular, and premise 2, that the universe began, is similarly not shown), but it does make the introductory speech even less likely.

    • Jacqui H

      I too thought this was supposed to be a biology class. I did have my high school biology teacher straight up tell us that we were doing a section on evolution and that it was a provable scientific fact and she wasn’t there to have a conversation about religion, which was awesome. But thats the closest to confrontational I’ve had a teacher be.

  • DividedUnderGod.com

    My head just fucking exploded. None of the “arguments” of the students have any logical truth to them. As a former philosophy student, I can honestly say all of these kids would fail Intro to Logic.

  • Itarion

    This trailer. Hoo boy. It just “keeps firing off cliches with startling precision, like a sniper using bullocks for ammo.” Tim Minchin, Storm

  • Jasper

    “I don’t know” is not a faith position. It’s not a belief. It’s the exact opposite.

    The most honest, legitimate and non-faith position one can take is “I don’t know”, when the evidence is insufficient to come to any rational conclusions.

    • Highlander

      And contrary to the video, it’s pretty easy to say, “I don’t know.” It’s much more difficult to pick a mythical being (or pantheon of beings), learn all about them and the rules ascribed to them, live your life according to those rules, learn the apologetics for why your particular mythical being is really not mythical and then attempt to persuade everyone that your particular mythical being “did it” is the answer to every question science hasn’t given us the answer to yet. Honestly, I think Googling “how do stars form” would be easier than having “God did it” as an answer.

  • T. J. Luschen

    If there was no Bigfoot there would be no Bigfoot deniers.

    • baal

      If there was no Joe Klein there would be no Joe Klein deniers.*

      *trying out the contra positive.

  • JT Rager

    Oh my godddddd. The first line gave me the biggest facepalm ever. This was so painful to watch.

  • Jacqui H

    I couldn’t get past the slow obvious shot of the evolution book….

    • Paul Reed

      Yeah. Is it a philosophy class or a science class….?

      • Gus

        I think it’s actually supposed to be a science class. But remember, they think science is a religion and that science professors are like priests who spend their time railing at religion.

  • advancedatheist

    I wonder what christian apologists make of all the exoplanets astronomers keep finding. If mindless natural forces can create planets all over the place, you have to engage in really desperate special pleading to maintain that we need to invoke a miracle to explain our planet’s origins.

    Ironically the Mormons welcome the discovery of exoplanets because they have a doctrine about an exoplanet they imagined called Kolob. Mormonism started in the era of modern astronomy, and its founders in the early 19th Century knew something about the scientific view of the world at the time. Therefore Mormonism made assumptions about cosmology which sound less implausible to modern people than the Ptolemaic assumptions underlying christian cosmology.

    • Artor

      Congratulations, AA. I didn’t know you were capable of intelligent commentary. More of this and less of the ignorant misogyny please.

  • cyb pauli

    Sooooooo this is that Chick tract ain’t it? Only in live action form, eh? Good job.

  • OverlappingMagisteria

    Is it significant that at the beginning when students were leaving class, all the women left, but none of the men did? It seems that couldn’t have been a coincidence. Do they think that women not able to present bad arguments for the existence of god?

    • Jacqui H

      Well you see: It’s already bad that the Professor is a women. They should not teach and be silent. So the women leaving were just being good christian girls by not trying to school anyone and leave it to the menfolk

  • http://ma-sblog.blogspot.com/ Alice

    Oh that professor…boooo!

    • Paul Reed

      …oooobs!

      Oh! Sorry, misunderstood… :P

      • http://ma-sblog.blogspot.com/ Alice

        I meant Kevin Sorbo’s character, He think’s HE’s God and that he’s better than everyone else (to quote a NonStampCollector video).

        I like your take on it too, though.

        • http://www.skeptimusprime.com/ Dylan Walker (Skeptimus Prime)

          Well he did play a half god back in the 90′s. That must have gone to his head.

          • Itarion

            So Morgan Freeman is an insane egotist too?

  • MNb

    “Well, who stole my bike three weeks ago?”
    Shrug.
    “Wouldn’t it just be easier to say it was gawd?
    Gawd sucks.

    • Paul Reed

      Why did I read that in Jaclyn Glenn’s voice? :)

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    leaving behind a small group of men to fend for the faith — the female students are never heard from again

    At least there are brown people.

  • Paul Zimmerle

    Noooo, Kevin Sorbo! I loved you in Hercules. You traitor!

    That bit about the stars is like a parody of what atheists think Christians believe – only it was produced by actual Christians instead.

  • Rain

    Only one cult could possibly be this stupid. Yep you guessed it: creationists.

  • R Bonwell parker

    I’m reminded of the video where they show a bunch of lesbians some girl-on-girl porn and get their flabbergasted reactions. This stuff is Christian porn… getting off on some bizarro version of an atheist.

  • Moose McNuggets

    Reminds me of one of my favorite Jack Chick comics. Wasn’t hard to find with a Google search. Turn science inside out and upside down you, young man, can make a creationist out of an evolutionist university professor.

    I love Jack Chick comics. Not as good as the Marvel Universe, but wondrous in their own warped and wacky way.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    Turns out a couple of the guys know *all* the apologetic arguments…

    So the hell what? It doesn’t matter if they have mastered every argument from Argumentum ad Banana-um, to Argumentum ad Commonsensum, to Argumentum ad Mind-numbingly Confusingum and Longwindedum.

    They’re arguments! They are vibrating air.

    Arguments are what you fall back on when you don’t have evidence. Arguments are what you throw when you come to a battle without any bullets. Arguments are what you offer when you show up in class without your homework. Arguments are what you hand your creditors when you don’t have the cash. All, ALL arguments for gods, whether they’re from the mouth of a hapless sophomore or a vaunted and venerated apologist amount to one confessionary statement: “I got nothin’ to show you.”

    “Sasquatch exists!”
    “Do you have evidence supporting that claim?”
    “No, but I have a great argument.”

    If someone starts a dialogue like this with you, using any noun for the first word in that first sentence, be it Sasquatch, UFOs, Elvis, leprechauns, or God, stop the process right there. Don’t get suckered into it. Don’t waste your and their time indulging in this inane futility. Demand evidence instead of arguments.
    Then you’ll have to explain that…
    No, another argument is not evidence supporting the first argument.
    No, warm fuzzy feelings are not evidence.
    No, lots of people agreeing with you are not evidence.
    No, a facile response that is easier than offering evidence is not evidence.
    No, talk is cheap.

    Tell them that whatever evidence they’re picking up that convinces them that you exist would be a good start for them to offer for their claim that their god exists, but since it’s a much more elaborate claim than just the existence of a mere mortal, it will have to be more impressive than that.

    • http://abb3w.livejournal.com/ abb3w

      Warm fuzzy feelings are indeed evidence — though there’s usually better explanations for them, such that they are inadequately persuasive to base support of the thesis.

  • Loic

    They so desperately wish a professor or teacher would say something like that. There is a trend for Christian bloggers to blatantly make up some alleged provocation–silly straw man creation that would be laughable if legislators who fund education didn’t often fall for the falsehoods. I had a relative who taught earth history at a Christian college; this person saw no contradiction between the bible and evolution, and was eventually fired as Evangelicals became more isolated from science–but before that, she noted that students would more and more try to pick fights, try to demonize her for simply teaching paleontology. They would come to class all prepared for some holy war that had nothing to do with the topic of the day. She believed this was because in real life, nobody would even bother having those conversations with the students! So they were dying to take up their swords of righteousness.

  • Guillaume Bérubé

    This brings up an interesting question. Wich god is easier to believe in? I think it would be the FSM.

    But seriously maybe that is how believers work when they say they checked other religions before going back to the one they were raised in. It is easier to follow the rituals you know then the ones of a foreign religion.

    • Lando

      “It is easier to follow the rituals you know then the ones of a foreign religion..” especially when you live in a country that (generally speaking) lifts up that religion, centers national holidays around its calendar, and tends to demonize adherents to any other religion (or nonbelievers)

  • Jim Valentine

    There’s plenty of brain power and artsy atheists out there, why isn’t one of them creating a clip that shows the reality of the situation as a counter to all this tripe?

  • EdmondWherever

    Class DISMISSED? After like EIGHT minutes? No, these people have not been to a real college.

  • Savpunk

    Is this supposed to be the first day of class? The day the professor introduces herself, hands out the syllabus, asks if everyone has the textbook, figures out who’s gone through add/drop, explains the absence policy, discusses papers, the midterm, the final, quizzes, etc. And THEN begins teaching by not espousing her personal views?

  • ZenDruid

    Thanks, everyone… you spared me the trauma of watching these.

  • aoscott

    This reminds me of one of the greatest copypasta….

    A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist. ”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!” At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all
    military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock. ”How old is this rock, pinhead?” The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian” ”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now” The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An
    eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the
    American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was
    read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax
    rate across the country. The professor lost his tenure and was
    fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into
    the lake of fire for all eternity.

    Semper Fi.

  • Paul

    Paraphrasing: We define God as always existing, so he always existed.

    The kalam cosmological argument, world’s most misleading ontological argument.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw/ m6wg4bxw

    From the website’s “About” page (emphasis mine):

    The Love Invasion is a series of events and documentaries, created to stir up both the “Christian” and the person seeking restoration and hope. It is meant to thoroughly and biblically challenge people with God’s radical love for humanity. Our purpose is to invade this fallen culture with the Gospel of Love in such a way, that it would be impossible for anyone to miss it or escape from it. Our vision is to influentially paint the Book of Acts with our lives today where Gods unfailing love, once again, will clothe a naked and lost world. Be warned! It will comfort the disturbed, and disturb the comfortable.

    We are a generation who seeks to continue the revolution that Jesus began over 2,000 years ago. For us, it is normal, but to most, it is seen as a cutting edge Christianity.

    There is no escape.

  • http://somaticstrength.wordpress.com/ Toranse

    My brother, a fundie Christian told me that he had to drop out of both his philosophy class and his political science class in the same semester because the philosophy teacher said the first day of class “if you’re a Christian you’re going to fail this course” and the political science professor said on the first day of class, “If you’re a Republican you’re going to fail” and I’m pretty sure (having taken both those courses at the same college) that what that really was was “you can’t just declare yourself right and get an A.” I wonder how many other fundie Christians translate “You actually have to think and engage with other ideas outside of your own” as “The professor said God is fake/dead/evil!”

  • guest

    ‘Who are you really trying to fail, me or God?’

    Comedy gold.

  • Rob P

    I know I am preaching to the choir here (irony intended). The first video: no atheist would say “God is dead”. And atheist would say that “God doesn’t exist” or “there is no evidence for the existence of God.” I guess such subtly is beyond the film maker.
    The second video and the “Who created the stars?” question. The question first presupposes a creator. Then they don’t realize that “I don’t know” is an acceptable answer and preferable to a made up answer.

    • guest

      An atheist professor of philosophy might say ‘God is dead’ if e was teaching a class on

      Friedrich Nietzsche
      but if e was any good at the job, e wouldn’t tell the students what to think, e’d encourage them to come to their own conclusions, as long as they could defend the logic of their position.

  • LiveFree0rDie

    So they want to play logic games with Pressupositional Apoligetics?

    Well, here is my good friend Solipsism.

    How do you know that you don’t live in the Matrix and the Bible is just an illusion.

  • guest

    If dragons don’t exist then what are we even arguing about?
    The shared concept of dragons we have in our heads, you ignorant kid.

  • Timmah

    I lasted 1:20. I only just got home form work and I can see I’m going to need to be intoxicated to get thru this.

  • guest

    So many random leaps and undeclared assumptions. I could feel my IQ dropping, watching this.
    Who created the stars? Nobody. They simply came into being because of how the universe works, in the same way we came into being.

  • Brian

    So, we are all pencils? That’s all i got out of it.

  • Soren

    When the music started playing, I almost expected them to break out in Jeff Bethke-style poetry.

  • Soren

    He basically says most Americans aren’t Christian. Really. You mean to say this is true in a nation that is 75% Christians?

  • TheMarkness

    Sorry, atheists are just not bumbling bullies who are ill-equipped to contend with elementary-level arguments riddled with safety-in-numbers/pascal’s wager/watchmaker/appealing to ignorance/appealing to authority/etc. arguments and fallacies!

    This is your typical groupthink circlejerk that gives every atheist a facepalm. It shows that christians are just as clueless as ever in understanding the default position, and have no immediate or long-term plans at gaining understanding.

  • Aleister Gates

    I think its that one or 2 of them are “playing the role” of a skeptic or an atheist…but they are using circular reasoning and bad acting IMO

  • J M

    It’d be even easier to say “Ra”. No extra consonant sound at the end, and shorter to spell too. I expect en mass conversions to commence.

  • http://rolltodisbelieve.wordpress.com/ Captain Cassidy

    This is the sort of argument that these particular Christians think is compelling and persuasive. This is what persuades *them*. This is how they wish real atheists would behave. This is how they truly dearly wish their arguments would go over with non-believers. This is the viewpoint they dearly wish the real world would cooperate with. And most of all they wish with all their hearts that the rest of us would find these arguments as compelling and persuasive as they do.

    I’m so sick of Christian “arguments.” They’re lame and unpersuasive, they’re divorced from reality, they’re easily dismantled, and worst of all, they are not evidence. But there are a lot of smug, tedious “rational Christian” types out there who are absolutely convinced that they have steel-clad arguments for their beliefs.

  • Georgina

    Oh come on, we all know that Xena killed all the gods except Hercules! And sa prove of his existance we have …. Kevin Sorbo! Drool.

  • willchain

    Loveinvasion.org?! Is anyone else kinda creeped by this URL?

  • Joshua Pierce

    Student 1: Well, who created the stars?

    Student 2: [Shrug]

    Student 1: Now, you see, wouldn’t it just be easier to say ‘God’?

    Ah intellectual laziness. Sounds like a perfect way to live one’s lives.

  • Joshua Pierce

    The only place a christian can win a debate… in their own fan fic.


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