Oops, Wrong Head: Islamist Fundies in Syria Know Allah Will Forgive Them For Decapitating One of Their Own

It would be unseemly to laugh, wouldn’t it? From the Telegraph:

Militant Islamist rebels in Syria linked to al-Qaeda have asked for “understanding and forgiveness” for cutting off and putting on display the wrong man’s head.

In a public appearance filmed and posted online, members of Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham [ISIS], one brandishing a knife, held up a bearded head before a crowd in Aleppo. They triumphantly described the execution of what they said was a member of an Iraqi Shia militia fighting for President Bashar al-Assad.

(Image via Barricuda Brigade)

It wasn’t, the beheaders soon discovered to their not inconsiderable chagrin.

An ISIS spokesman admitted he was Mohammed Fares, an Ahrar commander reported missing some days ago.

Ahrar refers to Ahrar al-Sham, a violent Sunni Islamist band of rebels aligned with ISIS.

The men responsible for the misdirected noggin-chopping will not have to fear for their souls:

[ISIS spokesman Omar] al-Qahtani made reference to a story in which Mohammed said Allah would forgive a man who killed a believer in error.

Indiscriminate cruelty and slaughter has long been a way of life for these types. I guess I’m supposed to be sad when it becomes a way of death for them too, but for once I’ll nod along in agreement with Jesus, who is said to have stated the inevitability of violence begetting violence pretty succinctly: “He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.”

Mohammed Fares was another Islamist boil on the ass of humanity. It’s an unpleasant procedure, but boils need to be lanced. Or beheaded — same thing.

About Terry Firma

Terry Firma, though born and Journalism-school-educated in Europe, has lived in the U.S. for the past 20-odd years. Stateside, his feature articles have been published in the New York Times, Reason, Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Wired. Terry is the founder and Main Mischief Maker of Moral Compass, a site that pokes fun at the delusional claim by people of faith that a belief in God equips them with superior moral standards.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    It’s nice to know that Allah will forgive accidentally beheadings. He is after all full of mercy. But women drivers?! Heck, no. A God hasn’t to have his limits.

    • # zbowman

      Given that he apparently forgave them for praying in the wrong direction for years on end until someone got more precise about where Mecca actually was, those limits must be close.

      • Alierias

        Originally Muslems prayed toward Jerusalem, until Mohammed got pissed…

        • # zbowman

          Wow. Did not know that.

          Pushy little douchebag, wasn’t he.

      • DaveDodo007

        If they where praying in the wrong direction he might not have noticed. :)

  • code_monkey_steve
    • Peter Naus

      That’s heading in the right direction….

  • sam

    “OH, you guys, I know you can’t see my face right now, but there is egg all over it. Dirka, Dirka.”

  • Mario Strada

    My guess is that the guy was killed and then beheaded. I would think if the guy was alive he would have protested a bit. At least he would have said who he was.

    But thanks for the favor anyway. Now go kill each other again.

    • paulalovescats

      Maybe they all look….never mind.

      • Madison Blane

        I there’s a hell I’m sure I’m going there for laughing so hard at this thread.
        There are people sleeping in my house dammit!!

        • Peter Naus

          Apparently, my comment was a bit TOO friendly. Pity.

          EDIT: Ah, ok, I see. If I’d called it a hijri, it wouldn’t have been so… What? Insulting? Politically incorrect? To whom? Americans?

          So apparently it’s ok to mock a murder and a beheading of a human being, and it’s even ok for Americans to make fun of the way Arabic sounds, but because one or two people got their panties in a twist about a fucking religious headscarf reserved for males only about to commit jihad, my comment gets censored. Righto.

          At least that’s a rule I can avoid making in the future. Thanks for the heads-up, admin.

  • ChrisU

    Religion of Peace.

  • LesterBallard

    I am one unseemly motherfucker.

  • paul (not the apostle)

    In this killing game everyone wants to win but no one wants to be a-head

  • Monaka der Hund

    Shit happens, everybody makes mistakes, time to move on.

  • Mick

    Don’t laugh at him. He might turn nasty.

  • Peter Naus

    “Come on, have you got his head?”
    “Ah, well, see, we ran into a little problem…”
    “Whaddaya mean, ‘problem’?”
    “Well, see, we…”
    “No time for this goatshit. Gimme the head!”
    “I said give it!”
    “OK, but you’re not gonna be happy…”
    “I run this outfit, and when I say give me the infidel’s head, I mean it, by the beard and testicles of the prophet, peace be upon him!”

    The whole story reads right out of Four Lions!

  • Snap

    Please, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let’s not bicker and argue about who killed who.

  • Greta Christina

    I am seriously appalled at both the tone of this post, and at the tone of many of these comments.

    Mohammed Fares was another Islamist boil on the ass of humanity. It’s an unpleasant procedure, but boils need to be lanced. Or beheaded — same

    Really? Human beings — no matter how reprehensible — are boils who need to be lanced? It’s “unpleasant,” but he deserved what he got?

    We all look like him when we’re wearing these bloody teatowels!

    Really? Do you not know that “towelhead” is a racist slur for people of Middle Eastern descent? And that “they all look alike” is a racist slur for pretty much every marginalized racial group, ever?

    That’s heading in the right direction….” “thanks for the favor anyway. Now go kill each other again.

    Really? This is the right direction? This is a favor?

    If you were an ex-Muslim, or a person of Middle Eastern descent who commonly gets stigmatized as Muslim regardless of your current or former religious beliefs, how do you think you’d feel reading this post and this thread?

    There are times when I’m embarrassed to be part of this community. This is one of them.

    • Alex Gabriel

      For what it’s worth, I believe ‘That’s heading in the right direction’ was in response to the ‘head puns’ scene from Austin Powers posted above. (But… yes.)

      • DaveDodo007

        Thanks for stating the obvious Ronald Mcdonald, now fuck off you murder and stoning rape victims apologist.

    • 3lemenope

      Self-righteousness is pretty boring and more than a bit unseemly when employed on behalf of vicious killers.

      Look, there is an irreconcilable tension in human nature in the context of our experience of evil as embodied in persons. We desperately try to instantiate the belief that all persons come pre-packaged with the right to live their lives without being harmed or molested, and on the other hand sometimes folks “just need killin’”, as a Texan might say. What makes the fulfillment of our desires to value life as an absolute in practice a relative luxury is the advantage that an evil person will take of compassion as an opening to do more evil. When someone has gone enough ’round the bend that cutting off heads and displaying them on pikes broadcasting the grotesque results seems like the thing to do, it is difficult to claim in seriousness that we should refrain from judging that act and mocking its perpetrator. As a Buddhist monk once pointed out to me, that it is wrong to kill an evil man does not obligate tears be shed upon their death.

      And often pretty much the reciprocal of the second part. The narrative traditions of pretty much all cultures on Earth are replete with examples of the bad guy/gal losing by dying (often messily), reaping the reward of their own bad acts in a pretty final and inarguable kind of way. It is very nearly a universal ethical lesson. To adjudge someone harshly of being “a boil” that nobody will cry for having being lanced, or even point to the result as a just one, falls squarely within the human tradition and understandings of justice, which in turn are predicated on human nature. To express a desire that people not be happy when an evil person is destroyed is to express an implicit expectation that humans should not be human simply because part of our psychological makeup is aesthetically uncomfortable to you.

      Really? Do you not know that “towelhead” is a racist slur for people of Middle Eastern descent? And that “they all look alike” is a racist slur for pretty much every marginalized racial group, ever?

      Considering that the entire bloody point of the situation is that this murder was performed pursuant to a case of mistaken identity, this complaint in particular comes off as almost comically clueless. You ask (rhetorically) what a person of Middle Eastern descent might feel about making fun of two assholes who are trying to kill each other (and succeeding!) while using some of the tropes and traditions of their regional culture group as an excuse; I think you might be genuinely surprised by what a response from an actual person of Middle Eastern descent might be. In my admittedly anecdotal experience, there are rarely more brutal critics of the extremists of a cline or grouping than their own members, who generally do not see assholes like these as exemplars of their culture or worthy in any way of defense. As an Iraqi interviewed in a recent New Yorker article pointed out, kids in Iraq love playing first-person shooters that involve shooting Iraqi terrorists, which is obvious upon reflection because when you think about it who could possibly have more cause to hate a terrorist in their country than they do?

      And since people of Middle Eastern descent are quite capable of policing their cultural cachet if they are offended, they really don’t need condescending assistance from you.

    • DaveDodo007

      What is this, lets feel sorry for evil, misogynistic murderers day. You really are clueless.

    • Topher Kersting

      Thanks, Greta. I read this on my phone when it first appeared and felt the same way. Just because extremists feel it is acceptable to kill those who disagree with them doesn’t mean we should celebrate when one of them meets that fate themselves. After years of watching this community struggle to gain acceptance and finally seeing it bear some fruit, it saddens me to see things like this.

    • Crtx

      Ugh. I’m with you. The post and many of the comments are, well, just shitty. The tone of hatred and stupidity is not what I’ve come to expect here, guest post or not.

    • ThePrussian

      Don’t worry, you’re not part of any community that’s worth joining. I do love seeing PZ’s little jihad-suck ups come out to play…

      Hmm – just checked. Surprise, surprise, Greta has nothing to say about those murderers in Nairobi. Run along now, run along.

    • MNb

      +1, GC.
      I am personally offended – my female counterpart is a muslima. Criticize the Quran as much and as hard as you prefer. The suggestion that she and her muslim relatives should start chopping each other heads off is appalling.
      I go a step further. I greatly prefer the company of muslims like my female counterpart and her friendly soft-hearted relatives than of atheist jerks like Terry F.
      I write this is as an atheist with a 7 on the scale of Dawkins.

      • Ewan

        “The suggestion that she and her muslim relatives should start chopping each other heads off is appalling.”

        And such a suggestion appears nowhere in this post. The entire point here is not that one muslim killed another, it’s that one murderous fundamentalist islamist killed another. If there’s a problem here it’s your apparent inability to separate your friendly soft-hearted female counterpart from these people despite them being completely different.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/TurboDally TurboDally

        “I am personally offended – my female counterpart is a muslima. Criticize
        the Quran as much and as hard as you prefer. The suggestion that she
        and her muslim relatives should start chopping each other heads off is
        Please can you at least read the post before you make such a comment, unless you’re implying that her relatives are those who engage in serial murder of religious and political opponents?

        “I write this is as an atheist with a 7 on the scale of Dawkins.”
        Maybe it’s best that you be on a scale of “7″ when it comes to READING what Terry has written before doing what creationists do best- attack strawmen.

    • The Other Weirdo

      Would it make you feel better if we all shed a bucketful of crocodile tears over a bunch of killers killing one of their own killers by mistake?

      Muslims are a marginalized group in the Middle East? WTF?

      If this post said that anyone of Middle Eastern descent or ex-Muslims are the same as the person who had gotten himself killed, you’d have a point, and you have just managed to equate people of Middle Eastern descent with this cult of murderers.

      So that this community may not embarrass you in the future, please tells us what we are supposed to feel when a suicide bomber, for example, prematurely blows himself up. Please provide distinct information for when said suicide bomber manages to kill other people, and also when she doesn’t.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/TurboDally TurboDally

      There are some people undeserving of sympathy- those who advocate the murder of people who do not share the same beliefs would be an example. A “boil on humanity”, is a very mild thing to call someone who sheds the blood of innocents in the name of a “just” and “merciful” deity.

      I also felt no hint of racism from the post when the word “teatowel” was used even though I have worn a turban every day for most of my life. I suspect knowing the person, the context in which they’re speaking helps with that, one must not be quick to judge, am I right? I was not born with a turban on my head, it was part of my culture, so feel free to criticise the practices as long as there isn’t any racism, sexism, or general-assholery is not around.

      Your probably have some hint of what my ethnicity may be, and no, I do not take offense to what the poster has said.

    • Peter B.

      Spot on Greta. You have eloquently spoken for those of us who have some decency and humanity left.

      While ever people harbour the inherent racism and hatred oozing out of this article, there can never be peace, harmony or trust among all peoples.

      It also distressing that our godless movement is to be tarnished with exactly the same prejudices that most of us associate purely with the religions we reject.

      Shame on you Terry Firma.This piece is an utter disgrace.

  • ThePrussian

    Not quite “two for one” but getting there!

  • Fran

    Brutal killing is a reason to oppose religionists – not to cheer on the outcome of their violent ideology.

    • ThePrussian

      Take a few minutes to imagine what these chaps would do with you or your loved ones if they had the chance. Then ask “isn’t it better that there’s now one less?”

      • Ross Thompson

        I believe the same logic was used to justify the lynching of African Americans less than a century ago.

        • ThePrussian

          That would be a perfect analogy, in that if the KKK members accidentally lynched one of their own, there’d be a parallel.

          Meanwhile, the jihadis practice slavery, have been responsible for a major genocide of black Africans and call president Obama “abeed al-beit” and I’ll let you find the translation for that. But I’ll bet you just feel warm and fuzzy defending them!

          • Ross Thompson

            I’m sorry, I didn’t realise that treating people like human beings, and not calling for their extermination was the same as defending them.

            • ThePrussian

              Tell it to the janjaweed and see how far you get. Tell it to Hezbollah and HAMAS. Tell it to Ahr al-Sham. Tell it to Al Qaeda. See how far you get kiddo.

              • Ross Thompson

                I’m sorry, I really don’t understand your point here. Are you saying that some groups disagree that people should be treated like humans and not exterminated? Because if so, you’re right.

                Are you claiming that we should all hold ourselves to the lowest possible standard of our opponents; that if people we disagree with want to murder others, we’re obligated to be equally immoral? If so, I cannot possibly agree.

                Or is there some third meaning that you’re struggling towards?

                • ThePrussian

                  By what passes for this trainwreck of logic, the KKK and those who oppose the KKK, and slavers and the ships that put down slavery, and the Nazis and those who fought against Naizsm are all equivalent.

                  You know, in Germany we know very well what to make of people spilling crocodile tears for violent, ultra-rightist lunatics who got caught in the violence they started. We know what to make of chaps like you.

                • Ross Thompson

                  So, no explanation of what you mean, just insults based on the fact that I think killing people is wrong, even if the people being killed disagree. I can only assume that you have no intention (and possibly no ability) to make yourself understood, or argue in good faith.

                  Thanks for playing.

                • ThePrussian

                  Nah, I just don’t try to play your stupid game. As I said, I know about chaps like you. I know what I’m dealing with. I’m sure you feel all good about yourself weeping tears about the bombs that fell on Dresden and and Berlin and don’t care to remember why they fell. Run along, your crap doesn’t work against someone who knows evil when he sees it.

                • Ross Thompson

                  Did I give you the impression that I don’t also condemn the deaths caused by terrorists? In that case, I apologise; I was unclear in my writing and gave you the wrong impression.

                  I absolutely and unambiguously condemn the deaths cased by Nazis, Neo-nazis, Islamic terrorists, the KKK, The Unabomber, Nidal Hasan, Anders Brevik, the Red Army Faction, the Tamil Tigers, Hamas and any other group you care to name.

                  I also absolutely and unambiguously condemn the deaths of any members of these groups when it could, in any circumstance, be avoided. I oppose America’s current “war on terror” not only on the grounds that it kills people outside of the rule of law, based on secret evidence, so we can’t know if the victims are actually guilty of any crime; but also because it only serves (as has been well documented) to create more terrorists and result in more killings.

                  I understand that there are cases where the only way to stop a terrorist attack in progress is the use of lethal force, and I accept that. I do not feel that is incompatible with feeling regret that a human being has been killed. However, in the majority of cases, such deaths take place far away from any immanent threat, where the subject could be arrested and imprisoned instead of being assassinated or executed, and in those cases, I feel it would be horrific not to pursue non-lethal alternatives as far as possible, not least to safeguard people in cases of mistaken identity.

                  The deaths of millions of innocent civilians in Berlin and Dresden does make me sad, yes. And I do wonder if another way could be found to stop the Nazis without it having happened, but I don’t know enough about the build-up to the war to express further opinion on that.

                  I hope I’ve managed to make my position clearer, and we can find some agreement.

                • ThePrussian

                  Well, let me take this at the strongest point, taking the Sam Gamgee view:

                  “It was Sam’s first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man’s name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil at heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace.”

                  There’s something to be said for that view, indeed, and I would recommend to you the very fine debate between Christopher Hitchens and A.C. Grayling on the firebombing of German cities. However, to be able to make that case honourably and honestly, you have to have some knowledge of the stakes and the moral issues involved.

                  In my experience, that knowledge is usually lacking. There are some, and you may be one, who are capable of seeing the sad necessity and yet not liking it. However, it has been my experience that the majority who talk like this either just try to evade the issues at stake and pretend that evil isn’t real, or, worse still, have a sneaking sympathy with the other side. Take the following lines from Orwell:

                  “The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States”

                  Orwell knew all about the horrors of war, but he still took a rifle and a pack to fight fascism himself when the rest of the world was looking the other way. While I could believe that you do indeed take the honourable stance, I simply do not credit it to something like Christina who never says a squeak about the horrors the jihadists commit. It reminds me perfectly of those in Germany who whine about the area bombing but keep stumm about the nature of the Nazi empire.

                  You wonder if there was a better way to handle the Nazis – indeed there was. At the zeroth hour, a league of high ranking officers, clergymen and nobility made a secret envoy to the British government saying that, if they would fight for Checkoslovakia, then they would perform a coup d’etat and annihilate the Nazis then and there. They were told “Forget it”. This sort of empty-headed pacifism gets a lot of people killed. You may remember that the pacifist line was taken, it won the day, in the matter of Darfur. And now our new millenium began with a fresh genocide.

                  So, for my part, I will continue to call evil by its right name and rejoice in its destruction.

            • Obazervazi

              Why treat someone like a human being when they refuse to act even remotely civilized and are a threat to the livelihood of others?

              (This isn’t rhetorical, I’m actually asking.)

              • Ross Thompson

                Because they’re human? Because we’re humans? There are other ways to deal with people like that without reducing us to their level.

                • Obazervazi

                  Reducing us to their level? They murder innocents, we are merely happy when they deal with one of their own by accident, reducing out vast workload just a bit. There’s still a long way to fall.

                  The way I see it, you lose the right to be treated nicely when you act inhumanly toward others.

                  It’s nice to try to respect all life, but one has to be ready for situations where there aren’t other ways to deal with evil.

                • http://www.youtube.com/user/TurboDally TurboDally

                  When you murder or pose a threat to my safety or that of others- being treated like a “human” is the very last thing you can expect from me.

                  If you pose no threat to anyones rights/freedoms, you’ll get my respect. But in the REAL world, people who are willing to cut your throat because you don’t share their religious or political views exist- do not be naive to this.

      • Fran

        No – it is not “better” that the killing has happened, or that people are saying such killings are right.

        Celebrating this is acting like the religionists I oppose.

        • ThePrussian

          Oh, you “oppose” them do you? So whatcha doing that’s going to stop ISIS or Al Qaeda or Boko Haram or Al Shabab? Going to wag your finger at them? Tell them you’ll be terribly upset if they don’t quit it?

          • RowanVT

            What are *you* doing to stop them? Are you over there attempting to kill them to stop them? Or are you nowhere near them, sitting in front of a computer, and giggling gleefully over their deaths?

            • ThePrussian

              Nowhere near enough – pamphleteering and blogging and protesting, but nowhere near enough. But at least I have the knowledge that I am not going out of my way to defend, or make excuses for, these maniacs

              • derputy dawg

                If you’re not defending their humanity against their own brutality then you’re hardly opposing them or the ideology which leads to their methods. Cheering their deaths isn’t cheering for the cessation of that ideology or their methods, it’s cheering the dehumanization you posture yourself to be against.

                • 3lemenope

                  The dehumanization ship sailed when heads started being separated from bodies for entertainment and recruitment purposes. Showing disdain for and heaping ridicule upon people who do such things isn’t “dehumanization”, it’s common moral fucking sense.

                • derputy dawg

                  How nice of them to unburden you of that humanistic tendency. I wish I were as cold as you.

                • 3lemenope

                  It’s the opposite of cold. Cold is mouthing platitudes about the worth of all life in regard to vicious cold-blooded killers.

                • ThePrussian

                  Correct. Compassion to the guilty is treason to the innocent.

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Now that is incorrect. One can support a guilty person’s humanity while still thinking ze should be punished for crimes committed. That is a general statement in response to a general statement of principles.

                  In this specific instance, I found myself amused. I have a mordant sense of humor. Killing someone for believing in a different imaginary friend than you is absurd and ridiculous and tragic. Killing someone for believing in a different imaginary friend than you and then realizing you had a case of mistaken identity on your hands goes beyond tragic into the land of farce.

                  So yes, I laughed. It was tragic and it was absurd and it was dark. My laughter at the sheer absurdity of the situation doesn’t make the murder any less tragic nor take away from the humanity of the victim, though.

                • ThePrussian

                  Well, good and evil are only matters relevant to human beings. There’s no sense in calling a snake or a smallpox virus “evil”. By damning such types as evil – that is, in fact, recognising their humanity.

                  I’m glad you laughed at that. Well done :)

                • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

                  Oh sure, snakes and viruses aren’t evil. They’re incapable of the sentience necessary to make choices while understanding the ethical implications of their actions. Only sentient beings can do good or evil.

                  I am, however, extremely hesitant to call people evil. There are a very few people I’m willing to give that moniker to, but mostly people are ignorant, misled, scared, desperate, pressured, and/or duped into doing evil acts. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be punished or condemned, of course. It just means I think it’s way more complicated than good people and evil people.

          • jimthepleb

            Tell beheaders not to behead….at least I believe that’s the suggested method of these (highly ineffective) apologists.
            Wagging a finger my be construed as harassment and tone policing.

          • Fran

            What I don’t do is imitate them – as you are. Bad ideas are beaten with good ideas – not killing people.

            • ThePrussian

              If I were taking up a rusty scimitar and started lopping off a few heads, then you could say I was “imitating” them. Even then though, only slightly, since that would be killing killers, not killing innocents. How can you seriously say anything that fatuous?

              Anyway, go on and take your good ideas and beat them! Come on. Let’s see you try.

              • Fran

                No, you’re imitating. Most of “them” aren’t engaged in violence directly, they’re just supporting it. Like you are. You’re even making up imaginary violent scenarios to justify yourself, just like a religionist.

                Approving of the violence makes you part of the problem.

                • ThePrussian

                  Tell, me if your ideas aren’t good enough to convince me, how are they going to manage to do anything against the jihadists?

                  Sorry, did I just blow a hole in the middle of your self-flattering evasions?

  • ThePrussian

    Dave, forget it. Common sense and the blindingly obvious are anathema to this lot.

  • Ross Thompson

    This from the same person who was so excited to tell us that al-Awlaki (assassinated without trial or charges by the US government) had spent time with prostitutes, which goes against what Terry thinks al-Awaki’s moral beliefs are (even though he offers no evidence beyond “All Muslims believe exactly the same thing, on every possible topic”), and therefore … well, he was quick to distance himself from any possible “therefore”, because the one that numerous commentators believed to be strongly implied was horrific.

    Can I get a version of the RSS feed for this blog that doesn’t include Terry Firma’s screeds? Or do I have to drop the whole thing?

  • ThePrussian

    Man, look at all the lil’ jihadi-apologists crawling out of the woodwork. Very well done, Mr Firma! You’re not doing it right if you’re not upsetting people.

    • Brian

      Yes, people come out and say that all murdering is wrong and should not be celebrated, whilst singling out this jihadist murder as equally bad, are jihadi-apologists. Solid logic there, man.

      • ThePrussian

        Yeah? Look at lil’ Greta below. Says precisely squat about the endless atrocities of the jihadists and helps stitch up those actually fighting a resistance. But someone say something nasty about them, and she comes crawling. As do you.

        • Brian

          So she commented on the article in the comments section on the article? How dare she.

        • Ross Thompson

          She also doesn’t write about the rape of children; I assume you interpret that as her being in favour of that? Or do you believe that people can hold opinions without constantly opining on them?

          • ThePrussian

            Perfect parallel: when bigmouths like Donahue whine about “anti-Catholic bigotry” but say squat about the rape of children, then I know what I’m dealing with. As I do with people like you.

            • Brian

              Sorry, you just wrote a comment about Bill Donohue not talking about the rape of children, but you didn’t explicitly condemn the rape of children yourself, so by your own logic, you support it. You also didn’t talk about rape in Mennonite communities, or abuse of home schooled children, so you must not care about those.

              • ThePrussian

                Sorry, nice try again. If someone doesn’t, e.g. complain about the rape and torture of children but only starts complaining when others bring the heat – and is not complaining about said rape and torture but about the heat being brought because of it – then he can be legitimately be labelled an apologist. Ditto for jihad and Greta here.

  • RowanVT

    I was sad when Saddam and Bin Laden were killed. I do understand why they were killed, and that in many ways it was a ‘good’ thing, but I still was sad. I am saddened by any death; for their pain, for their fear, for those who may have loved them even if just for when they were a child. I know I’m odd one out on such things, but I have a high degree of empathy for others and I could never wish another person to feel pain and fear, even if the individual is utterly depraved.

  • JustAguest

    Very disappointing to see that this post is still up.

  • http://garicgymro.wordpress.com garic gymro

    If I were Hemant, I’d be seriously considering whether I want to be associated with this kind of post.

  • Dekker Van Wyk

    There isn’t enough prison space in the entire world to house all the poor tender jihadists that that the bleeding hearts would prefer we lock up instead of helping on their way to martyrdom. These shit bags want to kill every last one of the people advocating here for their right to continue their foul lives. Non-believers defending and advocating for these wastes of oxygen is like a Jew defending Nazis. It is especially reprehensible coming from a LGBT people like Greta.

    • RowanVT

      Because killing makes everything better and doesn’t simply spawn more hatred in a never ending cycle. I understand that sometimes killing is necessary, but we should not gloat over death. It dehumanizes *us* to do so.

      • Guest

        I think that defending these murderers probably does a better job of dehumanizing you than celebrating their destruction.

        • RowanVT

          Where am I *defending* them? Is it in the part where I say “sometimes killing is necessary”?

          Or you do like gloating over a corpse?

          • Peter Naus

            Hey, if we can’t gloat a little, where’s the fun in being a friendly, happy-go-lucky, amoral atheist?

    • Ross Thompson

      There isn’t enough prison space in the entire world to house all the
      poor tender jihadists that that the bleeding hearts would prefer we lock
      up instead of helping on their way to martyrdom.

      If that were true (and it really isn’t), it would mostly because assassinating people tends to drive more people to become terrorists. If we took a different approach, there would be fewer people who feel that terrorism is their only way to make a difference, and therefore fewer terrorists.

  • 3lemenope

    Everything else aside, every fairweather moralist on this thread who danced a secret little jig in their heart when they heard that Osama bin Laden was shuffled off the mortal coil with extreme prejudice would do well to reflect on that, and perhaps stuff their current indignation somewhere dark and quiet.

  • Paul Zimmerle

    “Mohammed Fares was another Islamist boil on the ass of humanity. It’s an unpleasant procedure, but boils need to be lanced. Or beheaded — same thing.”

    The hell is this doing here?
    I won’t argue that Mohammed Fares wasn’t doing terrible things, but I expect better of this blog.

  • guest

    I don’t think the violent death of anyone is a reason to celebrate. Last I checked, the death penalty was illegal in Great Britain, and for good reason. This man, whatever his beliefs, was still someone’s son. He will have had people to whom he meant the world. I will mourn him, I will mourn the loss of his potential. He never had a chance to change his mind, to learn about the wonders of science, to see his hateful ideology for what it is. There’s nothing to celebrate in that.

    Ask yourself, are you a humanist or just an anti-religionist? I know I am the former. I don’t what to be part of a tribe that cheers whenever a member of ‘that other tribe’ is hurt. I want all humans to unite in peace to find solutions for our planet together.

    • Lark62

      Killing people is wrong. Nobody here is advocating killing another person. This blog was in response to a group of murderers who accidentally killed another murderer rather than an innocent victim. Poetic justice at its finest.

  • DJMankiwitz


    I’m a fan of PZ, but it was a little soon to be this hypocritical wasn’t it?