Irate over Festivus Pole, Catholic Talking Head Bill Donohue Says Atheists Are Like Klansmen and Neo-Nazis

The scene is at 3:40:

Bill Donohue (left) with David Silverman (center) and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Donohue: “We don’t want to have the Klan out there on Martin Luther King Day with their monuments right next to a bust of Martin Luther King. We don’t want to have neo-Nazis out there to stick it to Jews on Yom Kippur. And we shouldn’t have people out there ready to trash Christianity, given that proximity.”

A merry season to you too, Bill.

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  • wallofseparation

    So the Jew sitting next to the Catholic has the nerve to say Satan (a creation of an all knowing god btw) is respnsible for genocide and death???

    OMLogic…no wonder they have imaginary friends, understanding the reality of their own faith is a stretch for them.

    • Ann Onymous

      Not only that… In the 1st minute, Jewish Beard Guy has said that we shouldn’t have a Satanic monument because none of the Founding Fathers were Satanists (then says that maybe Benedict Arnold was). Then he says that the Satanic monument “demeans America” because “America is exceptional because of its values” and, “if we’re gonna start worshipping Satan”, we’ll all be evil goat sacrificers. And Silverman’s just staring at him…

  • McAtheist

    Donohue seems to be actively participating in the Festivus tradition. he has happily embraced the ‘Airing of the Grievances’ I believe that the ‘Feats of Strength’ is next.

    • Abel Undercity

      What? And potentially get his hands dirty?

    • McAtheist

      p.s. loved the ‘Mr. Atheistpants’ banner on bottom of screen when Dave was speaking.

    • Andy Anderson

      I get the feeling trying to pin Bill Donohue will end with the classic “you both get covered with mud, but the pig enjoys it.”

    • JT Rager

      You know these Christians, they know that Festivus is real, but they just want to sin all the time!

    • skinnercitycyclist

      Silverman looks like he can handle himself.

  • NathanExplosion

    Classic. You gotta love Bill. He punches that clock better than most.

    The benefits of a Bill Donohue are delicious. We need more of him. How does he not have his own show on Fox News?

    • Pseudonym

      If it wasn’t for FA, I’d have never heard of him. Thank you, FA!

  • Michael Thomas

    The problem here is the fact that they continue to fail to understand the hypocrisy. They fail to acknowledge facts. They fail to recognize the meaning of freedom of religion. They fail to realize that the satanist is attempting to prove a point. It still amazes me that such a simple line of logic is hard for them to comprehend.

    • http://roguemedic.com/ Rogue Medic

      That is the way bias works.

      They blind themselves to an objective view.

      .

  • http://lady-die.deviantart.com/ LizzyJessie

    “What are we going to do, slaughter goats and drink their blood in public?”

    IIRC Leviticus is full of stuff like that.

    • Dan Weeks

      Well, get it straight. They don’t slaughter goats and drink their blood. They slaughter lambs, and the blood is smeared over their doors. Totally different.

      • http://lady-die.deviantart.com/ LizzyJessie

        Smeared over their doors, bathed in their blood, smudged on their ear lobes, etc.

      • Lando

        Goat’s blood is a better exfoliant, though, and you don’t even have to keep it in the fridge, because it’s evil will keep it preserved.*

        *Please refrigerate your goat blood, everybody. This was a sales pitch with fine print and exceptions.

      • JA

        Regardless, still sounds like blood magic, and blood magic is as bad as, if not worse than, black magic.

        • The Other Weirdo

          But unless this is the world of Harry Dresden, black magic is just like white magic, not real. There are not Red Court vampires, nor even the White Court. Hell, there isn’t even a White Council.

    • The Other Weirdo

      Actually, there were injunctions in the OT not to eat the blood. Which explains why there are no vampires mentioned in the entirety of the Bible. The ancient Hebrews found them to be a nuisance and destroyed them, thus saving the world. So, bully for My People™.

      • http://lady-die.deviantart.com/ LizzyJessie

        That sounds like an awesome movie. “Gideon – Vampire Slayer” Though that reminds me of another movie.

        Van Helsing: Well Count. What do you think of…THIS! (reveals a Star of David)
        Dracula: (shies away for a moment – then looks) I think you should find a nice Jewish wife.
        Van Helsing: Oh, it’s the other one, isn’t it.

      • Randay

        What!? You mean that we can’t enjoy blood sausage from France and the Caribbean Islands?

      • skinnercitycyclist

        So now we need a monument to vampires? Oi gevalt! Where will it all end?

      • busterggi

        Not until Jesus anyway. “Drink my blood”

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

    I remain a big fan of David Silverman and American Atheists. It is *terrific* to have him on widely viewed TV shows like this, especially on FAUX /Fox News, where folks who have NEVER heard their religion publicly critiqued now hear an articulate and assertive guy like David pointing out their mythology.

    • Bill Anderson

      Yes, David Silverman did a great job on this panel. I’m surprised that Fox “news” keeps bringing him back, except that he does liven up the conversation.

  • http://roguemedic.com/ Rogue Medic

    Martin Luther King Day is a religious holiday?

    Jews celebrate Yom Kippur in a way that neo-Nazis could demand equal time?

    However, the Christians throw their religious spam all over government property and demand to be treated as above the law?

    Even their God ignores them.

    Maybe if they prayed to Lord Festivus, they would not get coal occasionally. O_o

    .

  • http://roguemedic.com/ Rogue Medic

    If giving equal time to other beliefs is trashing Christianity, the obvious conclusion is that there is de facto establishment of Christianity as a state religion.

    .

    • Randay

      As I mentioned in another thread, Saturnalia was celebrated in ancient Rome. According to Wiki, “The holiday was celebrated with a sacrifice at theTemple of Saturn in the Roman Forum and a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival atmosphere that overturned Roman social norms: gambling was permitted, and masters provided table service for their slaves.[1] The poet Catullus called it “the best of days.”

      If only Xmas were like that. Imagine Wall Street CEO’s serving their slaves.

      • skinnercitycyclist

        Whereas Yuletide consisted of huddling round the fire, drinking mass quantities of the harvest that had been preserved for the winter (i.e., “beer”), and waiting for the cold and dark to go away…much like I do this holiday season.

        Happy Yule, everyone!

    • skinnercitycyclist

      Bill Donohue should also understand that most fundie/evangelicals do not consider him to be a Christian at all.

  • http://roguemedic.com/ Rogue Medic

    Religious monuments make a mockery of the American Constitution, which is much more moral than the Bible.

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  • kenofken

    Among the sources of irony in all this is the fact that both the KKK and the Nazis (original and many neo), were solidly rooted in Christianity.

    • SeekerLancer

      Groups that in Bill Donohue’s religion have a better chance of getting to heaven than the Rabbi he was happy to let agree with him.

  • A3Kr0n

    It’s amazing how David Silverman goes on these shows over and over and his head doesn’t explode.

    • TCC

      It’s a Festivus miracle!

    • The Other Weirdo

      The Ancient, Evil Ones are protecting him.

  • Dan Weeks

    Rabbi Boteach: “Look, David, I don’t mean to double team you-”

    David Silverman: “No, go ahead, double team me.”

    Fucking gold!

    • SeekerLancer

      It’s almost become an art form for him, he has to say so much in the tiny amount of time they let him talk without screaming over him. That line was not only funny but spoke volumes.

      They can say whatever BS they want, it’s just going to bounce off our ultimate point as well as the law of the land. In the end we win the argument and they’re left shouting angrily to please Fox News fans.

      • $84687101

        He really does at the least come off as calm, rational, and legally sound against a couple of overly emotional ranters.

  • Carpinions

    Um, did Donohue just liken a pop culture reference from a comedy serial about nothing starring 4 Jewish people to Nazism?

    Busy bodies like Donohue piss me off, but the more I see him in this setting, the more stupid, insipid, and tiny he seems. Not just because his epithets and claims are ludicrous and unfailingly barbed at anyone and everyone that isn’t Bill Donohue, but because this man’s life’s work is to get excited about stupid bullshit. What a waste of a life. How pathetic. I may actually start pitying the man.

    • AdzyBoy

      Only Jerry was Jewish.

  • John Perkins

    I find myself incapable of respecting people who try to shout over each other. bring your arguments and let them stand on merit, not volume.

    • SeekerLancer

      But it wouldn’t be Fox News if they didn’t loudly gang three people against a single dissenting voice. That’s how you fairly balance things!

  • DoctorDJ

    I hereby challenge uber-catholic Bill D. to the Feats of Strength.

  • WingedBeast

    Rabbi Shmuley Boteach said “America worships God.”
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    Uh, Rabbi, I’m an atheist. Am I not a part of America? How about the Bhuddists, the Hindus, the Taoists, the Shintoists, the Wiccans, the animists, etc. etc. etc. Are they not a part of America?
    -
    I think that’s where we get the bulk of the issue. It’s not explicit, not even in their own minds. But, when they think of America and Americans, they think of people within those two parts of the Abrahamic traditions. The notion that someone celebrating Fetstivus or a Satanist (that they might want to learn a bit more about before proclaiming things about drinking goats blood) or an atheist is the recipient of the same state-based offerings as they are is the problem.
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    So, go ahead, Rabbi Boteach and Mr. Donohue, say exactly what you want to say. “We’re the real members of this society and we’re being nice just letting the rest of them live here.”

  • Pseudonym

    …and in related news, the Pope thinks that pretty much everyone who appears on Fox News has an illness.

  • Brian

    “it means we don’t force God on people” he says as they put up a monument to religion on a public courthouse.

  • Ann Onymous

    And Donohue, at 2:10, is saying the 10 Commandments are a monument to our Judeo-Christian heritage, but he actually says “it’s a monument to our relig- to our Judeo-Christian heritage.” You can see how much he buys his own tripe.

  • Randay

    The ignorant blonde Fux News idiot(a pleonasm)doesn’t even realize that many pagan religions celebrated the winter solstice. Atheist could easily also celebrate, in July, the ancient Greek festival of Kronia. Wiki, “The Kronia was an Athenian festival held in honor of Cronus (Greek Kronos) on the 12th day of Hekatombaion, the first month of the Attic calendar and roughly equivalent to the latter part of July and first part of August. The festival was also celebrated in parts of Ionia, and in these places the month was known as Kronion after the festival.” More at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronia

  • http://parkandbark.wordpress.com/ Houndentenor

    Given how outspoken Donahue is about rights for people who don’t agree with him, I can’t help but find his hypocrisy ironic. He’s especially mean-spirited to people who were raped by priests. Personally I think all these extra displays are absurd, but perhaps this will encourage the believers to set up their own displays on their own property which is what they should be doing anyway.

  • Jessica

    Her utter and sincere bordering-on-shrill outrage is just delightful to me. Also, the Rabbi pointing out that the U.S. was “not founded by satanists”… come on, dude.

    • skinnercitycyclist

      Wasn’t founded by Jews either, Rabbi. Or Catholics or evangelical Christians. May have been a few Catholics and some who might today qualify as fundies, but most were not.

  • Dave The Sandman

    I love the way that the “faith” threesome instantly wheel out the same sad cardboard cutout Hammer Horror cliche of a Satanist – oh they will be sacrificing goats.
    Really Rabbi? And tell me, when exactly did the Judaic faith stop animal sacrifices a la Abraham?
    Dave should have asked how many of the three chuckleheads had actually read any of the content of the Satanic Temple’s website.
    Im still not getting what Dave gets out of being the whipping boy in these circle jerk Fox Horn sessions.

    • SeekerLancer

      I’m pretty sure Dave Silverman is of the PR school of thought that any kind of attention is good attention. And while I sometimes have to wince at his Fox News appearances or some of American Atheists attempts at getting attention that I don’t entirely agree with, I can kind of see why he does it.

      He stays in the media. He continues to remind those who don’t agree with or even hate atheists that we’re still out there. He also draws attention to American Atheists from other atheists through blogs like this one that repost his TV appearances.

  • SeekerLancer

    Good old Bill Donohue and his bloated persecution complex is always a joy to behold. “An atheist is going to quote the bible to me?” You bet, Bill. I’m not the one who has to follow it after all.

    And he’s wrong. If the Klan wants to march on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, let them. If Neo Nazis want to protest on Yom Kippur, it should be their right. It’s no different than tolerating Bill’s hate speech after all.

    That Rabbi is no better in his complete lack of understanding for church and state separation.

    Is Dave a paid corespondent for Fox yet given how he’s pretty much their go-to atheist at this point?

  • tinker

    The blonde talking head asked why she “has to drive around with her kids looking for a nativity scene.” Church property is everywhere and not taxed. Why can’t she drive the block to her church (I am sure that she lives that close) and view a nativity scene there?

    • onamission5

      She’s also more than welcome to place a crèche on her very own lawn, as big and gaudy or small and understated as she wants, then stand in her window and stare at it for hours if that pleases her, and no one will say as much as “boo” about it.

    • $84687101

      So far this season I’ve seen the nativity scene at the church where I buy my Christmas tree, at the Catholic hospital that is the only nearby hospital, and even in the zoo’s holiday display. I don’t think she’s trying hard enough.

      Also, do people have that much interest in taking their kids to see a nativity scene that they go driving around looking for one? I’m inclined to think that was just (gasp) an outright lie.

  • tinker

    David Silverman as the reasonable cream filling in a superstition Oreo!

  • Lando

    “It seems like they went to the craziest group they could find…NO OFFENSE”

    Of course you didn’t mean any offense.

  • $84687101

    Of course, the KKK and Neo-Nazis actually do have such inflammatory rallies, and their legal right to do so is as protected as anyone’s right to speech. Once you open a public facility to monuments, or rallies, you have to admit anyone who isn’t violating the law.

  • $84687101

    Fox News was on in the gym last night and Bill O’Reilly was bloviating about atheists again, and he included a clip from this. Fortunately I had the Skeptics Guide to the Universe in my earphones and didn’t have to listen to the idiocy coming out of Bill’s mouth. I can’t wait until the ice melts on the sidewalks so I can run in peace again without Bill’s ugly mug in my face. The Fox News TV is right in front of the damn treadmills.

  • David

    Why did Silverman not point out that Satan is responsible for much less misery and death in the Bible than god is? Anywhere from 10 million to 33 million by god, and only 10 by Satan. Satan also never orders his followers to kill gays and beat slaves.

    • Lando

      He was lucky to get his name out there before the yelling from both sides started. I though he did as well as anyone could without coming off like an ass.

  • $84687101

    Did the rabbi seriously say if we could find one Satan worshipper among the founding fathers then it could maybe be traced back to some American history or heritage? Really? The rabbi? I remember when Jewish Americans used to understand separation of Church and State and largely be on the same side we are in this. We support his right to put a menorah or a Star of David up next to the Nativity if the Nativity is going to be placed on public property. We have for years, in spite of the fact that I don’t think I know of any Jews among the founding fathers, because the only thing the founding fathers have to do with Church/State issues is that they wrote and voted for the First Amendment, the Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom, and other laws and documents that make it quite clear that placing the monuments of one (or possibly two) faiths on public property at the exclusion of other faiths (and none) is an unlawful establishment of religion by the State.

  • baal

    I don’t think I could sit next to Bill Donahue and not do things to him. He’s singularly odious. The silver lining is that I think his net impact is to drive folks away from catholicism.

    • $84687101

      Bill Donahue is a False Flag operative! False Flag!

  • $84687101

    Bill Donahue:

    You quote the Bible, but you don’t hear me quoting Satan.

    Um, Bill, Satan is a character in the Bible.

  • toth

    Silverman was great, Donohue and Shmuley were their usual moronic, privileged selves.


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