The Church of Serpents

Turns out there are only a handful of churches left in American that still handle snakes. (Besides the Catholic Church. ZING!)

They’re all in West Virginia, and even there, it’s a bit sketchy.

Kate Fowler and Mark Strandquist are putting together a documentary film called With Signs and Following in which they go into one of these churches, Lord Jesus Church, and explore the pastor and the congregation.

The Paster and Congregation are not Responsible for anyone that handles the serpent’s and get’s bit. If you get bit the church will stand by you and pray with you. And the Same goes with drinking the poision.

Paster: Harvey Payne

Who knew there was a whole congregation that spoke Parseltongue? Speaking in tongues makes waaaaay more sense now.

(via Low-Hanging Bad Apples)

You’re Holding a What? You’re Holding it When?!

Dear Victory Family Church in Belleville, Illinois,

I have some advice for you.

(Yes, I’m an atheist, and no, I don’t expect you to listen. But I’ll say it anyway.)

When you’re planning an event, don’t call it a “Crusade.” That word is steeped in negative religious connotations and you don’t want to be associated with that. Trust me on this one.

Oh. Alright, ignore that one.

When you’re planning a “Crusade,” don’t gear it toward children. Atheists already think churches brainwash kids and you’d just be adding fuel to the fire.

Hmm… I see how you’re playing this game…

(By the way, what’s with the apostrophe usage? It makes it sound like one child is going to grab a weapon and go apeshit on everyone in the building. Anyway, I’ll continue.)

When you’re planning an event that sounds as horrible as a “Kid’s Crusade,” don’t try to “hip it up” with unnecessary adjectives. Don’t call it “Ye Old Tyme Kid’s Crusade” or “Jesustastic Kid’s Crusade O’ Fun” or “Rootin’ Tootin’ Kid’s Crusade.”

Well, fine then…

Finally, don’t hold any event you’re calling a “Crusade” on September 11th. I shouldn’t have to tell you why this is a horrible idea.

Goddammit, seriously?!

I tried, Jesus. I tried.

Sincerely,

Hemant

Church Parking for Atheists

Reader Nic shares this story (via email) about how Christians seem to get special parking privileges in Philadelphia:

I used to live just two blocks from Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, and I remember how the streets would fill with cars on Sunday mornings, all of them conspicuously parked in areas that would otherwise be off limits during the rest of the week (like, for instance, in one of the city’s few reserved bike lanes).

They would all have a neat little placard in the windshield stating the owner was attending church service, which would excuse their otherwise illegal parking. And this in spite of the fact that there is a large parking garage just two blocks from this church.

Evidently, the nature of the activity (worshiping) in itself warrants an exemption, or the church is provides such an essential service to the community that it has earned amnesty from the rules for its members.

So, if worshiping qualifies, what else would qualify, and who decides? Who hasn’t tried (and failed) to justify a parking ticket based on what they were doing when they got the ticket? I once got a ticket for parking illegally at my girlfriend’s front door for 5 minutes in order to drive her to the ER while she was having a seizure. I pleaded for amnesty. No luck. What if I’d said I was praying with her? I’m being facetious, of course, but it nevertheless remains that there’s an unspoken determination that worshiping is somehow universally noble, and practitioners should be treated differently. It’s the same prevailing bias which makes people respect a “man of god” as automatically good, moral and decent.

Chicago tried the same thing a while back, though I’m not sure if they won. It’s incredible to watch how pastors pretend like they’re not asking for unique treatment:

“We’re not asking for special privileges,” said the Rev. Philip Blackwell, pastor of First United Methodist Church at Chicago Temple. “We just happen to be religious institutions. The strange hours that we keep are complementary to the way the rest of the Loop gets used. If we’re going to co-exist in the city we have to have some nuanced understanding about how space is being used. That goes for government vehicles, bikes.”

If anyone has insight into this issue (in any city), I’d love to know what’s going on and why the local governments grant churches special treatment. Would attending atheist gatherings also qualify under the rules?

On a side note, some anonymous rapscallion created a website called ChurchParkingForAtheists.com — if you visit, you can print out a placard to put on your car on Sundays for free parking in parts of Philadelphia. The downside is you have to pretend to be a Christian for a couple hours.

It’s a clever idea, but we shouldn’t have to resort to this. Everyone should get the same exemptions or none at all.

I Do Not Think This Means What They Think It Means…

If there’s one thing I’ve learned about Christians over the years, it’s that they never proofread their church signs:

A church that speaks the truth?! You should stay away from it, just to be safe.

(Thanks to marf for the image!)

What do Churches Contribute to the Community?

(BTW, this post is by Mike Clawson, the very-infrequent-but-still-here Christian contributor.)

I know the answer many atheists would likely give to the question in the title of this post is “nothing”.

However, that may not always necessarily be the case. At least, not according to studies done by U. Penn researcher Ram Cnaan (who describes himself as nonreligious), who has somehow found a way to monetarily quantify all the benefits the average urban congregation brings to their community. According to his calculations the average urban church in Philadelphia provides over $476,663 worth of services annually.

Here’s an illustration from Christianity Today (PDF) for one particular Philadephia congregation whose annual give-back value is over $6 million (click image to enlarge PDF):

Now, I haven’t looked at the actual study, just the articles about it, so I can’t speak to the legitimacy of his methodology or findings. I’m sure, as with any study of this sort, there will be lots to nit-pick about it. Still, to even begin calculating all of these seeming intangibles is an impressive accomplishment, and it raises all sorts of interesting questions about the value of religion in society. But I will leave that topic for all of you to hash out. :)

The Christian ‘Man Church’

Chandler, Arizona is home to a Christian church with special services just for men:

Man Church is church the way a man expects it to be done. No singing, short sermon, time to talk with other guys, no women present, and coffee and donuts. That’s the way men want to do church. The topics of discussion will have a definite manly focus — being the best possible husband, father, employee, leader — being a real man. In fact, every aspect of Man Church is geared for men — not like any other church you have seen. This ain’t your mama’s church!

Wow. A religious service dominated by men.

(As opposed to “normal” religious services, which are also dominated by men…?)

Way to reach out to the silent minority, Christians…

Actually, I understand the aversion to singing and smalltalk. That’s annoying to me and I’m sure some Christians would rather do church without that.

What’s annoying is how the description alone seems to suggest all men must act and think in certain ways (and that women cannot act and think in these ways). If you’re not a macho, motorcycle-riding, grammar-be-damned-we’re-gonna-say-”ain’t” type of guy, we challenge your manhood.

Godless Girl isn’t happy with it at all:

These… guys apparently can’t handle creative expression, women, music, or big words. If I were male, I’d be insulted that my church leadership thinks I am an emotionless, simple-minded grunt who doesn’t crave depth of study and a song once in a while. This sounds [like] fast food instead of a full course meal.

No word on how gay men would be treated in this setting…

You can catch a few glimpses of what Man Church is like here:

After watching excerpts of the sermons from the video, I really don’t get why women couldn’t have heard the same things.

I have never heard of any atheist group — even larger ones, even at conferences — dividing itself up by sexes for any reason. Maybe because we see each other as truly equal. Men are no better or smarter or wiser than women in our world. In the Christian world, the genders have to fit a certain mold (defined by the men).

Sure, many of the more famous New Atheists have been male, but it’s not from lack of awesome female atheists. We just need to publicize the women better than we have been.

Christians have a long way to go, though, before women are really seen as equals in the church.

Go Forth and Spread the Good News!… but Not On Facebook

***Update***: It turns out Rev. Miller admitted to having a threesome with his wife and a church assistant. I don’t care what he does in his bedroom, but I don’t recall threesomes being endorsed by the Bible as a way to show love to your wife. (And people go to this guy to get marriage counseling…?)

Rev. Cedric Miller is telling church leaders at Living Word Christian Fellowship Church that they need to delete their Facebook accounts or resign from the church. And the rest of the church should just follow their lead:

“I’ve been in extended counseling with couples with marital problems because of Facebook for the last year and a half,” Miller said. “What happens is someone from yesterday surfaces, it leads to conversations and there have been physical meet-ups. The temptation is just too great.” While Miller has advised couples to give each other their Facebook passwords in the past, this is the first time he’s called for an outright ban. Of the 1,100 members of the Living Word congregation, Miller claims that 20 couples have approached him for counselling over Facebook-related marital woes. The married pastor also adds that he plans to practice what he preaches: this weekend, he’ll be cancelling his own account.

Yes, Facebook is the real problem… not the cheaters themselves.

I wonder what else Rev. Miller will force his staff members not to do next so that their marriages can stay sunny and rosy and wonderful…

  • Don’t go out by yourself. (Single people are everywhere.)
  • Don’t be in close proximity to another human (unless your spouse is right there with you).
  • Don’t ever think about going on Craigslist.
  • Don’t go on the Internet. Ever. At all.
  • Don’t even bother turning on the computer. (Nothing good can come of that.)
  • Don’t use iPhones because we know what you’re going to do with that camera feature…
  • Don’t text message anyone. (Your inevitable sexting will make the Baby Jesus cry.)
  • Don’t watch television because there may be salacious TV shows on the air. (Have you seen Bristol Palin dance?)
  • Don’t call old friends. (Conversations lead to temptation, temptation leads to affairs, and affairs lead to atheism. Obviously.)
  • Don’t go to church. (There are single parishioners and they desperately want a spouse.)

The whole premise of deleting your profile on a social networking site because you might get tempted by other people on it is silly. If your marriage can’t handle Facebook, maybe your marriage shouldn’t have happened in the first place.

I wanted to email Rev. Miller to get his thoughts on some of this but his website doesn’t even have a contact email address… This guy is not very tech savvy. Maybe that’s why he’s blaming technology for the failings of his congregation instead of the people who are going back on their wedding vows.

(Thanks to Erin for the link!)

Trust Him; He’s a Pastor

Pastor Ed Young isn’t just asking for donations at his church. Forget voluntary tithing.

He wants full access to your bank account:

Yeah… what could possibly go wrong there?

I don’t care if he is their pastor; how are some of these churchgoers so gullible that they’re willing to give someone else — anyone else — their bank account number?

If they feel like giving money to the church, then they can do it! But it’s crazy to allow anyone to dip into your personal bank account at their whim, regardless of what they say they’re going to do.

Maybe Fellowship Church just needs another jet:

… Ed Young — the pastor at Fellowship Church in Grapevine — may soon have to answer for the numerous trips by the leased church jet to resort locations. It’s luxury air travel that costs tens of thousands of dollars per trip.

For months, News 8 has requested interviews with Pastor Young. Each time we have been referred to a New York public relations firm for answers.

Yet they have declined to answer simple questions such as: “Who uses the jet, and for what?”

(via Jesus Needs New PR)

Ask Richard: Should I Accept a Scholarship from My Mother’s Church?

Note: Letter writers’ names are changed to protect their privacy.

Dear Richard,

I am an atheist and I attend a state funded university. My family is not poor, nor are we rich, we are just in the middle. My mom has inherited too much money for us to qualify for any financial aid or scholarships. I went through an existential breakdown in high school causing my grades to not deem me fit for any “good student” scholarships or anything of that nature.

My mom however is a devout member of her Methodist church. I had been in the same church my entire life, never fully understanding or believing, just going because it was what I had always done. I went to church camps for the fun and games and never even gave two thoughts about the Christian message, it was just silly to me. I went to church only when my mother forced me through taking away activities or groundings if I skipped out (now I only attend Christmas just so my mom does not completely hate herself). I was sure of my non-beliefs early in high school, but never “came out” to my mother as a non-believer until later. When I did about three and a half years ago, she cried her eyes out. Now she thinks it is a phase and tries to grasp my non-belief but never can. She thinks it has something to do with my father dying when I was 13 or some gripping experience of that nature that “took me from God” instead of my just lifelong skepticism.

Even with all of that, our (her) church has always been there for my family. When my father died and my mother started a homosexual relationship they were there (although some disapproved most never judged). Most of them are great people I have loved my entire life; I have connected with them just never spiritually, so my question to you is it wrong for me to accept scholarship money from this church my mother attends and I theoretically still belong to?

Morally perplexed,
Brent

Dear Brent,

I love people who have moral/ethical dilemmas. It means that they really want to do the right thing. Many ethical decisions hinge on the biggest word in the world, “if.”

It would be wrong for you to accept scholarship money if you did so by deception or false pretenses. If the church is offering you a scholarship with the requirement, or expectation, or assumption, either stated or implied, that you are a believing member, in essence, a Christian, and if you were to misrepresent yourself either actively by lying, or passively by failing to make your non-belief clear to them, then it would be ethically wrong to take their money. It’s about honoring the spirit in which the gift is given, if you will excuse the expression.

To be thoroughly ethical, to be deeply ethical you must not think only in legalistic terms, trying to dance nimbly around technicalities to get what you want, perhaps rationalizing something like, “Well they didn’t write down any requirements that I have to be a believer, so I just won’t tell them.” If they want to give it to a bona fide Christian, then failing to tell them the truth would not be honoring the spirit in which the gift is offered. That would be deceitful and disingenuous. Defer to not just the “letter of the law,” but also the intention of the giver.

So it is important for you to find out if there is any stated or unstate expectation, or preference, or if it is required for you to be a believer in order to receive this money. You might try to ascertain this discreetly, so that you can decide what course to take. If it’s required that you be a genuine Christian, then drop the matter right there. If it makes no difference to them, then just apply for the scholarship. But if it is expected or preferred that the money should go to a believing member of the church, then to ask for it in a thoroughly ethical way would require you to reveal your lack of belief at least to the people who would be making the decision. Then you will have to decide if “outing” yourself to them will be worth having only the chance of getting the money, and what social effect, if any, revealing that might have on your mother.

Yes, being ethical can sometimes get complicated because there can be so many “ifs.”

If you see that it is ethically necessary to let them know where you stand, and if you think it’s worth a try, you have a pretty good template for talking to or writing to them right here in your letter. I rearranged some of it into a suggested statement:

You and the congregation have always been there for my family, and I am very grateful. When my dad died, most of you were supportive and not judgmental of my mom when she reached out to another woman for companionship. That shows how big your hearts are. You’re great people. I have loved many of you for my entire life, and I feel a very close human connection.

But I have never felt a spiritual connection. Since I was very young, I have never believed in God or the Christian message. This has nothing to do with your actions, and nothing to do with any rebellion or traumatic experience of mine. It is only due to my lifelong skeptical nature.

I would very much like to accept the scholarship, and I certainly do need it, but I want to be completely honorable and honest with you, and to be sure that you really know the person you are helping. I have a strong moral and ethical instinct, and I am practicing it right now by telling you these things. I hope that knowing all this, you will still consider me for the scholarship. Regardless of your decision, I sincerely thank you.

Brent, whether you take my suggestion or not, one way or another I’m confident that you’ll get your education completed. It might take longer than you’d prefer, but if you’ve done it entirely in an honest and above board way, then you will be someone who uses the knowledge and the credibility that your education gives you to make the world around you a little better. Perhaps a lot better. We don’t really need more professionals as much as we need more deeply ethical people, people who are champions at doing the right thing. I wish you the best, and I have a feeling that you’ll be among the best.

Richard

You may send your questions for Richard to AskRichard. Please keep your letters concise. They may be edited. There is a very large number of letters. I am sorry if I am unable to respond in a timely manner.

Those Militant Catholic Bloggers

This is really what the Catholic Church needs right now: A group of people trying to make Catholicism even less inclusive.

The Associated Press reports that conservative Catholic bloggers are trying to hold the church more accountable:

Enraged by dissent that they believe has gone unchecked for decades, and unafraid to say so in the starkest language, these activists are naming names and unsettling the church.

Among [Michael Voris of RealCatholicTV.com's] many media ventures is the CIA — the Catholic Investigative Agency — a program from RealCatholicTV to “bring to light the dark deeds of evil Catholics-in-name-only, who are hijacking the Church for their own ends, not the ends of Christ.”

In an episode called “Catholic Tea Party,” Voris said: “Catholics need to be aware and studied and knowledgeable enough about the faith to recognize a heretical nun or a traitorous priest or bishop when they see one — not so they can vote them out of office, but so they can pray for them, one, and alert as many other Catholics as possible to their treachery, two.”

Yes, it’s about time someone put a stop to those evil, evil nuns. Step number one: retroactively protest Sister Act.

Truth be told, I think I understand where they’re coming from.

If Catholicism teaches that abortion is a sin, what do you call someone who has an abortion and continues to call herself a Catholic?

If the Pope says something and you just dismiss it, how “Catholic” are you?

If you’re gay, should you really be receiving a Communion wafer in Church?

Obviously, it’s my hope that everyone (Catholics included) stop taking the Pope seriously. I want Catholics to leave the Church in droves and then drop their faith altogether. And I would hope these bloggers agree with me that it needs to become easier to take your name off the Church’s membership rolls if you have no business being in the Church. The fact that it’s so hard to leave just dilutes the church’s “purity.”

But if I were Catholic (and took it seriously), I’d be pissed off if people did exactly the opposite of what my church taught but still clung to the label.

The question I’d love for these Catholic activists — Catholictivists? — to answer is: Do you want to see a church that is growing and accepting of more people? Or a church that is far smaller, more “true” to the Church’s teachings, but possibly less influential as a result?

Side note: When reading an article about a new breed of Catholic activists, it’s pretty goddamn scary to see one of them brandishing a sword:

(Thanks to Richard for the link!)