Fulfilling Mormon prophecy?

Floyd Bass, ex-Mormon, said this in a comment on this blog:

The Mormons (especially the early ones) believe that the U.S. Constitution was inspired by their god for the main purpose of providing a country in which Mormonism could flourish.

They also believe (somewhat unofficially, but Joe Smith or Brigham Young said it, which makes it almost inspired) that when the Constitution was ‘hanging by a thread’ (whatever that means) that a Mormon would assume some kind of high office in this country and rescue it. This event is a precursor to their Jesus’ return to establish a 1000-year earthly kingdom (I suppose he would become president? King of the U.S.?).
Draw what conclusion you will from this.

Can anyone confirm this? Would a Romney presidency be a fulfillment of Mormon prophecy?

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Philip

    For those who would like an accurate history of mormonism read Fawn Brodie’s “No man knows my history.” Brodie was a professor of history and has written many readable books.
    No man presents the best explanation of Joseph Smith, his treasure hunting and his connection to Masonry. No man is still in print.

    Other resources are Concerned Christians in Mesa, Arizona and Saints Alive in Washington. They have print and video resources that give an accurate picture of current mormon theology and their history.

    I do not belong to either group but have familial and friendship ties to many mormons.

  • Philip

    For those who would like an accurate history of mormonism read Fawn Brodie’s “No man knows my history.” Brodie was a professor of history and has written many readable books.
    No man presents the best explanation of Joseph Smith, his treasure hunting and his connection to Masonry. No man is still in print.

    Other resources are Concerned Christians in Mesa, Arizona and Saints Alive in Washington. They have print and video resources that give an accurate picture of current mormon theology and their history.

    I do not belong to either group but have familial and friendship ties to many mormons.

  • http://apokalupto.com Bob Illman

    I think this is a poor post. How would you like it if someone quoted an ex-Lutheran who said, “Martin Luther did not like homosexuals because he struggled with his own sexual identity crisis.” Then, the post asked, “Is that true?” Worse than the Mitchell report.

  • http://apokalupto.com Bob Illman

    I think this is a poor post. How would you like it if someone quoted an ex-Lutheran who said, “Martin Luther did not like homosexuals because he struggled with his own sexual identity crisis.” Then, the post asked, “Is that true?” Worse than the Mitchell report.

  • http://www.geneveith.com Veith

    What, Bob? This post asks a factual question. If it takes a Mormon to restore our constitution, I would probably be for that! I’m just curious about Mormon eschatology. Yesterday we had a good discussion, in which Mormons participated, about the Mormon view of life after death. Why are questions about Mormon belief automatically taken as criticisms?

  • http://www.geneveith.com Veith

    What, Bob? This post asks a factual question. If it takes a Mormon to restore our constitution, I would probably be for that! I’m just curious about Mormon eschatology. Yesterday we had a good discussion, in which Mormons participated, about the Mormon view of life after death. Why are questions about Mormon belief automatically taken as criticisms?

  • Bror Erickson

    Yes Bob,
    This is a chance for you to set the story straight if indeed this widespread rumor is correct. I have heard it by Mormons and ex-mormons alike. So Vieth is not the one raising the question, but he is the one giving you opportunity answer it.
    and we do not hold Martin Luther in nearly so high a regard as you hold Joseph Smith. So we don’t feel obligated to answer for every embarrasing thing he said. Though you could hardly make the case that he was sexually repressed.

  • Bror Erickson

    Yes Bob,
    This is a chance for you to set the story straight if indeed this widespread rumor is correct. I have heard it by Mormons and ex-mormons alike. So Vieth is not the one raising the question, but he is the one giving you opportunity answer it.
    and we do not hold Martin Luther in nearly so high a regard as you hold Joseph Smith. So we don’t feel obligated to answer for every embarrasing thing he said. Though you could hardly make the case that he was sexually repressed.

  • FW

    C´mon! I am happy to have anyone say “i understand that Lutherans believe this or Luther said that and …no…I would simply set the record straight bob illman, i wouldn´t get upset and not respond. read some of the other posts here about Lutheranism and you will see that I am not alone in this attitude as a Lutheran.

  • FW

    C´mon! I am happy to have anyone say “i understand that Lutherans believe this or Luther said that and …no…I would simply set the record straight bob illman, i wouldn´t get upset and not respond. read some of the other posts here about Lutheranism and you will see that I am not alone in this attitude as a Lutheran.

  • SimDan

    The link that Bob had in his name was broken but I think this is his blog. If so, then he is Presbyterian. Perhaps this is why he has not set the record straight on this Mormon prophecy.

  • SimDan

    The link that Bob had in his name was broken but I think this is his blog. If so, then he is Presbyterian. Perhaps this is why he has not set the record straight on this Mormon prophecy.

  • Paul W.

    Here’s another blog that quotes a Salt Lake Tribune article on the so called “White Horse Prophecy”:
    http://blog.mrm.org/2007/06/the-white-horse-prophecy-rides-again/

    This whole issue is sort of “Mormon Folk-lore”, not Church doctrine or prophecy. It was supposedly first reported that Joseph Smith made these statements from a Church member’s journal in the mid-late 1800′s.

    I personalty (as a Mormon) don’t know much about it and don’t believe it as a “prophecy”.

    I do believe that it is the duty of every Latter-day Saint and every friend of liberty to fight and work to preserve the God given rights set forth in the U.S. Constitution.

  • Paul W.

    Here’s another blog that quotes a Salt Lake Tribune article on the so called “White Horse Prophecy”:
    http://blog.mrm.org/2007/06/the-white-horse-prophecy-rides-again/

    This whole issue is sort of “Mormon Folk-lore”, not Church doctrine or prophecy. It was supposedly first reported that Joseph Smith made these statements from a Church member’s journal in the mid-late 1800′s.

    I personalty (as a Mormon) don’t know much about it and don’t believe it as a “prophecy”.

    I do believe that it is the duty of every Latter-day Saint and every friend of liberty to fight and work to preserve the God given rights set forth in the U.S. Constitution.

  • Bror Erickson

    Now were into the nature of prophecy. The article that you linked us too seems to make prophecy nothing more than a mtter of convenience. Sort of, We”ll believe it as long as it is convenient, but deny it when it isn’t. So was Brigham Young a prophet or not? The article indicates that he believed the prophecy. So how can you then discount it without discounting that Brigham Young was a prophet?

  • Bror Erickson

    Now were into the nature of prophecy. The article that you linked us too seems to make prophecy nothing more than a mtter of convenience. Sort of, We”ll believe it as long as it is convenient, but deny it when it isn’t. So was Brigham Young a prophet or not? The article indicates that he believed the prophecy. So how can you then discount it without discounting that Brigham Young was a prophet?

  • Pr. Conner

    Just in case anyone is interested, here’s the quote:

    Joseph smith predicted that the time would come “when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue.” (in the Conference Report of 1912)

    Numerous Mormons throughout history have repeated this prophecy/statement:

    LDS apostle Mark E. Peterson in 1946: “[Joseph Smith] said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass. When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the ‘Mormon Elders to save it from utter destruction; they will step forth and do it.” (in the Conference Report of 1946)

    LDS apostle and future president Harold B. Lee in 1952: after referencing the Constitution on a thread prophecy said, “We alone (the elders of the Mormon church) know by revelation as to how the Constitution came into being, and we, alone, know by revelation the destiny of this nation.” (in the Conference Report of 1952)

    LDS president Ezra Taft Benson in 1988: “Joseph Smith predicted that the time would come when the Constitution would hang, as it were, by a thread, and at that time ‘this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.’” (in Teachings of Ezra Taft)

    The question I have is “What does this mean?”

  • Pr. Conner

    Just in case anyone is interested, here’s the quote:

    Joseph smith predicted that the time would come “when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue.” (in the Conference Report of 1912)

    Numerous Mormons throughout history have repeated this prophecy/statement:

    LDS apostle Mark E. Peterson in 1946: “[Joseph Smith] said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass. When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the ‘Mormon Elders to save it from utter destruction; they will step forth and do it.” (in the Conference Report of 1946)

    LDS apostle and future president Harold B. Lee in 1952: after referencing the Constitution on a thread prophecy said, “We alone (the elders of the Mormon church) know by revelation as to how the Constitution came into being, and we, alone, know by revelation the destiny of this nation.” (in the Conference Report of 1952)

    LDS president Ezra Taft Benson in 1988: “Joseph Smith predicted that the time would come when the Constitution would hang, as it were, by a thread, and at that time ‘this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.’” (in Teachings of Ezra Taft)

    The question I have is “What does this mean?”

  • Pr. Conner

    On a semi-related note, can anyone enlighten me on the accurateness of the history reported by the Mormon church. Here’s why I ask, LDS leaders claim Smith’s History of the Church is not only “an unusually accurate historical document,” but it is “the most accurate history in all the world.” (John Widtsoe, Joseph Smith – Seeker After Truth, 1951)

    I have heard, however, that the truth might be otherwise. In fact in 1999, long-time Mormon, Francis Nelson Henderson (who happened to be a founding member of Comtel) said this, “While asking me to be honest, loyal, obedient, and to give time and tithing, church policy is that the only Mormon history told should be a so-called “faith promoting” history which conceals controversies and difficulties of the Mormon past and present. To me the existence of this policy is in itself, alone, a violation of my trust. The supremacy of my individual freedom of choice requires a church policy of complete honesty, regardless of the implications. My freedom of choice is never at any time consigned to the church. Hence, a policy of changing, retelling, or withholding information, is willful manipulation of my ongoing right to an informed choice.” (available online at http://www.exmormon.org/whylft131.htm)

    Anyone have any information on this?

  • Pr. Conner

    On a semi-related note, can anyone enlighten me on the accurateness of the history reported by the Mormon church. Here’s why I ask, LDS leaders claim Smith’s History of the Church is not only “an unusually accurate historical document,” but it is “the most accurate history in all the world.” (John Widtsoe, Joseph Smith – Seeker After Truth, 1951)

    I have heard, however, that the truth might be otherwise. In fact in 1999, long-time Mormon, Francis Nelson Henderson (who happened to be a founding member of Comtel) said this, “While asking me to be honest, loyal, obedient, and to give time and tithing, church policy is that the only Mormon history told should be a so-called “faith promoting” history which conceals controversies and difficulties of the Mormon past and present. To me the existence of this policy is in itself, alone, a violation of my trust. The supremacy of my individual freedom of choice requires a church policy of complete honesty, regardless of the implications. My freedom of choice is never at any time consigned to the church. Hence, a policy of changing, retelling, or withholding information, is willful manipulation of my ongoing right to an informed choice.” (available online at http://www.exmormon.org/whylft131.htm)

    Anyone have any information on this?

  • http://apokalupto.wordpress.com Bob Illman

    I’m not a Mormon. I’m not a Mitt Romney guy. I left my comment to suggest that a popular blog like this has to be careful asking “harmful” questions the way the original post did. If it is true, take the time to veryify it and then post. If it isn’t true, who will ever know? I still haven’t seen it resolved as a follow-up post. My Luther example was my, obviously ineffective way, to suggest that harm can be done by asking, “Is it true?” Blogs that have a large following have an obligation to be as factual as possible. Ask open questions off line, not in public.

  • http://apokalupto.wordpress.com Bob Illman

    I’m not a Mormon. I’m not a Mitt Romney guy. I left my comment to suggest that a popular blog like this has to be careful asking “harmful” questions the way the original post did. If it is true, take the time to veryify it and then post. If it isn’t true, who will ever know? I still haven’t seen it resolved as a follow-up post. My Luther example was my, obviously ineffective way, to suggest that harm can be done by asking, “Is it true?” Blogs that have a large following have an obligation to be as factual as possible. Ask open questions off line, not in public.

  • http://www.geneveith.com Veith

    But why is this a “harmful question”? Some Mormons posted, and they didn’t seem to think it was harmful. Again, if it takes a Mormon to restore the constitution, I’m all for him. What this blog discussion turned up is that Mormons in general will save the republic, according to Brigham Young, not just one Mormon on a white horse. How does one verify something without asking about it? What seems kind of odd is how ANY question or information about Mormon beliefs seems to be ruled out of line, as inappropriate or negative. Why is that, Bob?

  • http://www.geneveith.com Veith

    But why is this a “harmful question”? Some Mormons posted, and they didn’t seem to think it was harmful. Again, if it takes a Mormon to restore the constitution, I’m all for him. What this blog discussion turned up is that Mormons in general will save the republic, according to Brigham Young, not just one Mormon on a white horse. How does one verify something without asking about it? What seems kind of odd is how ANY question or information about Mormon beliefs seems to be ruled out of line, as inappropriate or negative. Why is that, Bob?

  • http://apokalupto.wordpress.com Bob Illman

    In court, some questions are ruled inappropriate because the inflamatory nature is said to outweigh the probative value. You asked a fair question, I just think that in a public blog such as this, the possibility that someone will take the asked question as fact makes it inflammatory. Where you ask a question makes a difference. If someone reads your question, then tells someone else, “I saw on Veith’s blog that . . .,” I think that is a problem to be guarded against. I don’t care about asking questions about Mormonism or any other ism. Passing on hearsay and asking about whether or not anyone can confirm or deny is different when it happens in a well respected blog such as this. If Gene Veith says he’s heard, some might assume that it is true. So, whatever the topic, bloggers held in high esteem need to watch what and how they say things. That is what I was trying to deal with.

  • http://apokalupto.wordpress.com Bob Illman

    In court, some questions are ruled inappropriate because the inflamatory nature is said to outweigh the probative value. You asked a fair question, I just think that in a public blog such as this, the possibility that someone will take the asked question as fact makes it inflammatory. Where you ask a question makes a difference. If someone reads your question, then tells someone else, “I saw on Veith’s blog that . . .,” I think that is a problem to be guarded against. I don’t care about asking questions about Mormonism or any other ism. Passing on hearsay and asking about whether or not anyone can confirm or deny is different when it happens in a well respected blog such as this. If Gene Veith says he’s heard, some might assume that it is true. So, whatever the topic, bloggers held in high esteem need to watch what and how they say things. That is what I was trying to deal with.

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  • FW

    This article makes a rather compelling argument for NOT voting for Romney. I would be distressed if I could ONLY vote republican after reading this…

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/12/no-to-romney.html

  • FW

    This article makes a rather compelling argument for NOT voting for Romney. I would be distressed if I could ONLY vote republican after reading this…

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/12/no-to-romney.html

  • Dave VanderBeek

    I am a Mormon. Just because a politician is Mormon does not mean I will vote for him or that I think he would save the nation. We have corrupt members just as in every other nation.

    As for what will save this nation, we believe the Constitution was divinely inspired of God and that the founding fathers were chosen of God. Note we believe this knowing they were clearly NOT Mormons. We believe men can be inspired anywhere at any time by God to save their nations.

    Personally, I’m a Ron Paul man because he supports the Constitution.

  • Dave VanderBeek

    I am a Mormon. Just because a politician is Mormon does not mean I will vote for him or that I think he would save the nation. We have corrupt members just as in every other nation.

    As for what will save this nation, we believe the Constitution was divinely inspired of God and that the founding fathers were chosen of God. Note we believe this knowing they were clearly NOT Mormons. We believe men can be inspired anywhere at any time by God to save their nations.

    Personally, I’m a Ron Paul man because he supports the Constitution.

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    http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/latter-day-saints/TRQK1L6O2UCG372A9

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