Establishment enemies

Why many in the Civil Rights establishment do not like Obama. (Short answer: political patronage.)

Why many in the Republican establishment do not like McCain. (Short answer: his role in exposing the Abramoff scandal.)

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Carl Vehse

    Are you sure it’s not his involvement in the McCain-Feingold travesty, or the Kennedy-McCain mass amnesty bill, or being a member of the Keating Five, or just being an opportunistic RINO?

  • Carl Vehse

    Are you sure it’s not his involvement in the McCain-Feingold travesty, or the Kennedy-McCain mass amnesty bill, or being a member of the Keating Five, or just being an opportunistic RINO?

  • fw

    i really like Mc Cain in so many ways. but when he says that we maybe should be in iraq for 50-100 years like korea and germany he has totally lost me.

    if we haven´t learned that iraq is it´s own deal, and haven´t learned from the history of the brittish before us in iraq…..

    and besides that, and something no one says who supports the war in iraq: we simply are spending way beyond our means. our power DOES have limits. why is no conservative seeming to address THIS issue head on as part of the mix in deciding what to do?

  • fw

    i really like Mc Cain in so many ways. but when he says that we maybe should be in iraq for 50-100 years like korea and germany he has totally lost me.

    if we haven´t learned that iraq is it´s own deal, and haven´t learned from the history of the brittish before us in iraq…..

    and besides that, and something no one says who supports the war in iraq: we simply are spending way beyond our means. our power DOES have limits. why is no conservative seeming to address THIS issue head on as part of the mix in deciding what to do?

  • Don S

    The article is a typical MSM approach — attribute the worst possible motivations to those evil right-wing Republicans. They hate McCain because he stands up to what is right and exposed the Abramoff corruption scandal. Well, that might be true for a few sold out insiders, but most of us don’t like him for the reasons Carl stated above. He was wrong on McCain-Feingold, wrong on immigration, wrong on global warming, wrong on the “Gang of 14″, wrong on lowering taxes. His voting record is reasonably conservative, but he doesn’t lead the way he votes. The issues that are most important to him are all liberal positions. To my knowledge, he has never led on the pro-life issues, or the other family issues that are important to social conservatives.

  • Don S

    The article is a typical MSM approach — attribute the worst possible motivations to those evil right-wing Republicans. They hate McCain because he stands up to what is right and exposed the Abramoff corruption scandal. Well, that might be true for a few sold out insiders, but most of us don’t like him for the reasons Carl stated above. He was wrong on McCain-Feingold, wrong on immigration, wrong on global warming, wrong on the “Gang of 14″, wrong on lowering taxes. His voting record is reasonably conservative, but he doesn’t lead the way he votes. The issues that are most important to him are all liberal positions. To my knowledge, he has never led on the pro-life issues, or the other family issues that are important to social conservatives.

  • kerner

    If you go on McCain’s website (look under the issues heading-human dignity), he says that Roe V. Wade is flawed and should be overturned. He further promises to appoint Supreme Court Justices that will not legislate from the bench. John Paul Stevens, the most Liberal member of the Court, is 89 years old. We need ONE MORE JUSTICE. Maybe McCain isn’t everything you want him to be, but to have the Republicans nominate the most electable pro-life candidate is very important, I’m not a single issue voter, but this issue has been very important to me for a long time. If a Democrat is elected, Stevens, and probably Ruth Bader Ginsberg will retire, and we will surely have to live with Roe v. Wade for another 20 years.

    People complain about the “Gang of 14″, but you forget that they broke the deadlock and got approval of Samuel Alito. We need one more.

    For those who don’t trust the Washington Post Read what J.C. Watts wrote about McCain here:

    http://www.lvrj.com?opinion/13746827.html

    and the Arizona Republic, here:

    http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0114mon1-14.html

  • kerner

    If you go on McCain’s website (look under the issues heading-human dignity), he says that Roe V. Wade is flawed and should be overturned. He further promises to appoint Supreme Court Justices that will not legislate from the bench. John Paul Stevens, the most Liberal member of the Court, is 89 years old. We need ONE MORE JUSTICE. Maybe McCain isn’t everything you want him to be, but to have the Republicans nominate the most electable pro-life candidate is very important, I’m not a single issue voter, but this issue has been very important to me for a long time. If a Democrat is elected, Stevens, and probably Ruth Bader Ginsberg will retire, and we will surely have to live with Roe v. Wade for another 20 years.

    People complain about the “Gang of 14″, but you forget that they broke the deadlock and got approval of Samuel Alito. We need one more.

    For those who don’t trust the Washington Post Read what J.C. Watts wrote about McCain here:

    http://www.lvrj.com?opinion/13746827.html

    and the Arizona Republic, here:

    http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0114mon1-14.html

  • kerner

    Sorry, the link to J.C. Watts is wrong. Try this:

    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/13746827.html

  • kerner

    Sorry, the link to J.C. Watts is wrong. Try this:

    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/13746827.html

  • http://www.geneveith.com Veith

    I’m not saying there are not valid reasons for conservatives to be against him. This article is about the hostility to him in the Republican establishment that is not grounded in these valid issues. The fact is, there has been a lot of corruption, and McCain, whatever his flaws, stood against it and actually did something about it. Again, conservative Republicans should also give him credit for crusading against pork barrell spending, unlike most of the conservative Republicans in congress! I’m not endorsing McCain by a long shot. I’m just sayin’. . . .

  • http://www.geneveith.com Veith

    I’m not saying there are not valid reasons for conservatives to be against him. This article is about the hostility to him in the Republican establishment that is not grounded in these valid issues. The fact is, there has been a lot of corruption, and McCain, whatever his flaws, stood against it and actually did something about it. Again, conservative Republicans should also give him credit for crusading against pork barrell spending, unlike most of the conservative Republicans in congress! I’m not endorsing McCain by a long shot. I’m just sayin’. . . .

  • fw

    I can believe that the republican party elite want a democrat elected president, preferably a third term for bill clinton, to clear the way for Jeb Bush to run in 2012.

    also the mortgage scandal has only shown the tip of the iceberg. wouldn´t the republicans rather hand of responsibility for that mess to the democrats in the form of a democratic congress and president? they will still have enough members in congress to slow any democratic agenda. people tend to split their vote and vote republican for congress if they vote democratic for president….

    however barack obama could change all of these dynamics… jeb would be running and probably losing against obama in 2012 or would have to wait till 2016

  • fw

    I can believe that the republican party elite want a democrat elected president, preferably a third term for bill clinton, to clear the way for Jeb Bush to run in 2012.

    also the mortgage scandal has only shown the tip of the iceberg. wouldn´t the republicans rather hand of responsibility for that mess to the democrats in the form of a democratic congress and president? they will still have enough members in congress to slow any democratic agenda. people tend to split their vote and vote republican for congress if they vote democratic for president….

    however barack obama could change all of these dynamics… jeb would be running and probably losing against obama in 2012 or would have to wait till 2016

  • fw

    I am reading that the clintons and the bushes are actually quite chummy with each other in private. anyone know if this is true or not? maybe they have cut a deal? bush, clinton,bush,clinton, jeb bush anyone?

  • fw

    I am reading that the clintons and the bushes are actually quite chummy with each other in private. anyone know if this is true or not? maybe they have cut a deal? bush, clinton,bush,clinton, jeb bush anyone?

  • Joe

    fw – And then we can have Chelsea after Jeb. ;)

    But I really think you give Obama too much credit. Is there a candidate who is not running on change? And how exactly is he going to change anything? What has he ever changed in the past? He is a very effective speaker but it just seems to me that he has found a better way to package the typical liberal progressive message. I really don’t see anything new – from a substance point of view. I don’t mean that as a knock against him; its just how I see it.

  • Joe

    fw – And then we can have Chelsea after Jeb. ;)

    But I really think you give Obama too much credit. Is there a candidate who is not running on change? And how exactly is he going to change anything? What has he ever changed in the past? He is a very effective speaker but it just seems to me that he has found a better way to package the typical liberal progressive message. I really don’t see anything new – from a substance point of view. I don’t mean that as a knock against him; its just how I see it.


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