The way out of Iraq

Read this, about negotiations with the Iraqi government about the terms for our troops being there. We dethroned Saddam Hussein and set up a freely-elected government. That mission actually was accomplished. The way out of Iraq is to leave when that government requests us to. When the government is so unstable that it needs our troops to keep its members alive, it will want us to stay. When it attains a level of stability, which it may have reached, to the point that occupying troops are a political liability, it will request us to leave, which will be our way to do so without surrender. (I actually made this case at the outset of our invasion, and it looks like, as sometimes happens, I may have been right, as far as how things are unfolding.)

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Don S

    It seems to me, as I read the Washington Post over the past several months, that they have finally seen the light and understand that we have actually had a remarkable success in Iraq. I agree with you, Dr. Veith, that it is the Iraqi government, over time, which will encourage us to draw down our forces there, in stages, beginning with more containment of our troops on their bases. This will be a healthy thing, and is according to original plan, I believe, though the time period has been extended because of overly optimistic initial planning and overly anti-American reporting, which unduly encouraged the opposition to fight on well past the point at which they were fighting a lost cause.

    Maybe someday western Europe will ask us to leave their countries. This, too, will be a healthy thing.

  • Don S

    It seems to me, as I read the Washington Post over the past several months, that they have finally seen the light and understand that we have actually had a remarkable success in Iraq. I agree with you, Dr. Veith, that it is the Iraqi government, over time, which will encourage us to draw down our forces there, in stages, beginning with more containment of our troops on their bases. This will be a healthy thing, and is according to original plan, I believe, though the time period has been extended because of overly optimistic initial planning and overly anti-American reporting, which unduly encouraged the opposition to fight on well past the point at which they were fighting a lost cause.

    Maybe someday western Europe will ask us to leave their countries. This, too, will be a healthy thing.

  • J Bass

    As Christians, we should not forget that this pointless American invasion resulted in a civil war that virtually wrecked and displaced the ancient Christian community in Iraq.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/bush-the-destroyer-of-ch_b_68583.html

  • J Bass

    As Christians, we should not forget that this pointless American invasion resulted in a civil war that virtually wrecked and displaced the ancient Christian community in Iraq.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/bush-the-destroyer-of-ch_b_68583.html

  • Don S

    Wow, Frank Schaeffer of the Huffington Post. There’s a source that’s right down the middle. You can certainly take anything HE says to the bank!

  • Don S

    Wow, Frank Schaeffer of the Huffington Post. There’s a source that’s right down the middle. You can certainly take anything HE says to the bank!

  • J Bass

    Here’s another source; the link is first, followed by the article’s first paragraph.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/february/12.25.html

    “The war in Iraq, soon to enter its fifth year, has become a costly setback for Christianity in that troubled land. Though Iraq has been associated with biblical and Christian history for 5,000 years, the risk remains high that the current short-term disaster will become a long-term catastrophe.”

  • J Bass

    Here’s another source; the link is first, followed by the article’s first paragraph.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/february/12.25.html

    “The war in Iraq, soon to enter its fifth year, has become a costly setback for Christianity in that troubled land. Though Iraq has been associated with biblical and Christian history for 5,000 years, the risk remains high that the current short-term disaster will become a long-term catastrophe.”

  • Carl Vehse

    Ann Coulter has another great column, “Bush’s America: 100 percent Al-Qaida Free Since 2001″:

    Produce one person who believed, on Sept. 12, 2001, that there would not be another attack for seven years, and I’ll consider downgrading Bush from “Great” to “Really Good.”

    Merely taking out Saddam Hussein and his winsome sons Uday and Qusay (Hussein family slogan: “We’re the Rape Room People!”) constitutes a greater humanitarian accomplishment than anything Bill Clinton ever did — and I’m including remembering Monica’s name on the sixth sexual encounter…

    We begin to forget what it was like to turn on the TV, see a tornado, a car chase or another Pamela Anderson marriage and think: Good — another day without a terrorist attack.

    But liberals have only blind hatred for Bush — and for those brute American interrogators who do not supply extra helpings of béarnaise sauce to the little darlings at Guantanamo with sufficient alacrity.

  • Carl Vehse

    Ann Coulter has another great column, “Bush’s America: 100 percent Al-Qaida Free Since 2001″:

    Produce one person who believed, on Sept. 12, 2001, that there would not be another attack for seven years, and I’ll consider downgrading Bush from “Great” to “Really Good.”

    Merely taking out Saddam Hussein and his winsome sons Uday and Qusay (Hussein family slogan: “We’re the Rape Room People!”) constitutes a greater humanitarian accomplishment than anything Bill Clinton ever did — and I’m including remembering Monica’s name on the sixth sexual encounter…

    We begin to forget what it was like to turn on the TV, see a tornado, a car chase or another Pamela Anderson marriage and think: Good — another day without a terrorist attack.

    But liberals have only blind hatred for Bush — and for those brute American interrogators who do not supply extra helpings of béarnaise sauce to the little darlings at Guantanamo with sufficient alacrity.

  • Don S

    J Bass, first you give us Frankie Schaeffer, who has completely repudiated everything his dad ever stood for and thrown over his evangelical Christian faith. Now you give us Christianity Today. Fair enough, but the article doesn’t say anything like what you claimed in your first post. The Christian community in Iraq wasn’t thriving under Saddam Hussein — no one except for his sons and other favored corrupt leaders were. Christians in Iraq are suffering under Muslim oppression, just like they are in every other Muslim majority Middle Eastern country. Yes, we need to pray for our brothers and sisters in Iraq, and everywhere else in the Middle East. We need to support them as best we can. That is what Christianity Today is saying, and they’re right. What we don’t need to do is engage in the mindless pointless Bush-hating that is so common in elitist leftist circles. Believe me, the Huffington Post doesn’t care about Christians in Iraq. They’re using poor deluded Frankie Schaeffer to try and make political hay in the evangelical community, and they’ll throw him away when they’re done with him, just like they threw Cindy Sheehan away when she was no longer useful. The Iraq war has been a long, painful experience, but there is no question at this point that Iraq is far better off today than it was under Saddam. Besides, the only option now is to move forward and stop whining about what is over and done with.

  • Don S

    J Bass, first you give us Frankie Schaeffer, who has completely repudiated everything his dad ever stood for and thrown over his evangelical Christian faith. Now you give us Christianity Today. Fair enough, but the article doesn’t say anything like what you claimed in your first post. The Christian community in Iraq wasn’t thriving under Saddam Hussein — no one except for his sons and other favored corrupt leaders were. Christians in Iraq are suffering under Muslim oppression, just like they are in every other Muslim majority Middle Eastern country. Yes, we need to pray for our brothers and sisters in Iraq, and everywhere else in the Middle East. We need to support them as best we can. That is what Christianity Today is saying, and they’re right. What we don’t need to do is engage in the mindless pointless Bush-hating that is so common in elitist leftist circles. Believe me, the Huffington Post doesn’t care about Christians in Iraq. They’re using poor deluded Frankie Schaeffer to try and make political hay in the evangelical community, and they’ll throw him away when they’re done with him, just like they threw Cindy Sheehan away when she was no longer useful. The Iraq war has been a long, painful experience, but there is no question at this point that Iraq is far better off today than it was under Saddam. Besides, the only option now is to move forward and stop whining about what is over and done with.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Don S (@6), you said “there is no question at this point that Iraq is far better off today than it was under Saddam.” I’m wondering what metrics you’re using to judge that. While Saddam no doubt ruthlessly killed many people, were there a lot of random terrorist attacks under his reign? How about oil production or electricity? I’m honestly curious what metrics you’re using, is all.

    “Besides, the only option now is to move forward and stop whining about what is over and done with.” Ah, well, tell that to our dear friend Ann Coulter. I sometimes wonder if she still thinks Clinton is president.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Don S (@6), you said “there is no question at this point that Iraq is far better off today than it was under Saddam.” I’m wondering what metrics you’re using to judge that. While Saddam no doubt ruthlessly killed many people, were there a lot of random terrorist attacks under his reign? How about oil production or electricity? I’m honestly curious what metrics you’re using, is all.

    “Besides, the only option now is to move forward and stop whining about what is over and done with.” Ah, well, tell that to our dear friend Ann Coulter. I sometimes wonder if she still thinks Clinton is president.


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