You make the announcement & do the commentary

We’re hitting the road today and will be gone for the whole labor day weekend. See the top post for why. So I’m sure I’ll miss John McCain’s announcement about his vice-presidential nominee. And since I won’t be taking my computer, I won’t even be able to comment on it. Since we’ve been making the vice-presidential office a big deal on this blog, we have got to talk about it.

So I’m turning the commentary over to you. Leaks will likely abound all day. The first person who hears who it is, tell us about it in a comment on this blog. If it’s before the official announcement, that’s better yet. We’ll see if we can scoop the world. If you’re wrong, someone else can get the credit for announcing the right one before anyone else.

Then discuss the choice. I know a lot of people are waiting to see who McCain picks before being willing to vote for him. Will he shore up his conservative credentials, which many question, with a conservative VP? Will McCain damage his pro-life credentials by picking a pro-death VP? We’ll know soon.

But I’m leaving this topic up to you to handle.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • MarkE

    The sleuths over at FreeRepublic are saying it’s Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, based on their analysis of flight-tracking data.

  • MarkE

    The sleuths over at FreeRepublic are saying it’s Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, based on their analysis of flight-tracking data.

  • http://www.christlutheran.net Jeff Samelson

    Former Wisconsin governor and HHS secretary Tommy Thompson!

    Oh, wait — that was *my* pick. Sorry!

  • http://www.christlutheran.net Jeff Samelson

    Former Wisconsin governor and HHS secretary Tommy Thompson!

    Oh, wait — that was *my* pick. Sorry!

  • WebMonk

    I’ve been hearing a couple rumors based on other things that have suggested Sarah Palin, too.

    Her non-vital stances that I know of seem to be pretty good, but I really don’t know what her views of the major issues are.

    The only thing I have heard about her more important positions is that she’s “anti abortion rights”, but I don’t know how serious she is about that. The source I heard that from would consider anything less than “government paid-for abortions on demand at any time” to be anti-abortion.

  • WebMonk

    I’ve been hearing a couple rumors based on other things that have suggested Sarah Palin, too.

    Her non-vital stances that I know of seem to be pretty good, but I really don’t know what her views of the major issues are.

    The only thing I have heard about her more important positions is that she’s “anti abortion rights”, but I don’t know how serious she is about that. The source I heard that from would consider anything less than “government paid-for abortions on demand at any time” to be anti-abortion.

  • http://indianajanesnotebook.blogspot.com Jane

    Now that Sarah Palin is confirmed as the choice, I have to say, I think I like her better that most of the other potential choices. She is described as strongly pro-life. And she definitely brings some excitement to the ticket. I am anxious to hear more from her.

  • http://indianajanesnotebook.blogspot.com Jane

    Now that Sarah Palin is confirmed as the choice, I have to say, I think I like her better that most of the other potential choices. She is described as strongly pro-life. And she definitely brings some excitement to the ticket. I am anxious to hear more from her.

  • http://www.dawgandponyshow.blogspot.com Van H. Edwards

    Sarah Palin does not have the experience to be a … Oh, nevermind, can’t use that argument. Good choice, Johnny.

  • http://www.dawgandponyshow.blogspot.com Van H. Edwards

    Sarah Palin does not have the experience to be a … Oh, nevermind, can’t use that argument. Good choice, Johnny.

  • Booklover

    Hallelujah and Praise Jesus!!!! A woman in this country does not have to kill her babies to be a leader!!!!!!!!!

  • Booklover

    Hallelujah and Praise Jesus!!!! A woman in this country does not have to kill her babies to be a leader!!!!!!!!!

  • Carl Vehse
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  • utahrainbow

    I like her already! 5 children, a western (well, northern) woman with Idaho roots, former fisherman, ethics her centerpiece…

    vice-presidential? I dunno. But I’d love to have a beer with her. That’s pretty much all you need, eh? :)

  • utahrainbow

    I like her already! 5 children, a western (well, northern) woman with Idaho roots, former fisherman, ethics her centerpiece…

    vice-presidential? I dunno. But I’d love to have a beer with her. That’s pretty much all you need, eh? :)

  • Carl Vehse

    With all the anticipation this week about possible GOP VP candidates, and the resulting excitement and hoopla this morning from McCain’s announcement of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his VP pick, was there anything else of any political interest happening in the last day or so I might have missed?

  • Carl Vehse

    With all the anticipation this week about possible GOP VP candidates, and the resulting excitement and hoopla this morning from McCain’s announcement of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his VP pick, was there anything else of any political interest happening in the last day or so I might have missed?

  • MarkE

    I think there was a rock concert or something in Denver.

  • MarkE

    I think there was a rock concert or something in Denver.

  • Bass

    Palin’s pro life, but she signed into law same-sex rights. She has governed a state with a population less than many American towns for just 2 years, yet McCain says she’s ready to be president. Nonetheless, Palin’s got spunk and seems to like to speak her mind. I think it’s great, by the way, that a woman is one on of the tickets.
    But McCain’s a famously angry controller; it’ll be interesting to see if he can keep Palin in line (and if she will agree to be kept in line). McCain’s also a user (e.g., first wife ditched for second wife’s beer fortune) who plays poorly with others. So while Palin’s a great short-term (i.e., win the election) pick, I suspect that McCain sees her as a sop to appease the Rush Limbaugh faction of the GOP until November.

  • Bass

    Palin’s pro life, but she signed into law same-sex rights. She has governed a state with a population less than many American towns for just 2 years, yet McCain says she’s ready to be president. Nonetheless, Palin’s got spunk and seems to like to speak her mind. I think it’s great, by the way, that a woman is one on of the tickets.
    But McCain’s a famously angry controller; it’ll be interesting to see if he can keep Palin in line (and if she will agree to be kept in line). McCain’s also a user (e.g., first wife ditched for second wife’s beer fortune) who plays poorly with others. So while Palin’s a great short-term (i.e., win the election) pick, I suspect that McCain sees her as a sop to appease the Rush Limbaugh faction of the GOP until November.

  • Don S

    Wow, Bass, way to keep it classy. A “user”? A “famously angry controller”? And Bill Clinton was……….????

    Seriously, John McCain’s sin with respect to his first wife was 30 years ago! And it was the first thing he talked about at the Saddleback Forum as the moral failure he regretted most in his life. This is a Christian blog and forgiveness is the order of the day when a person expresses genuine regret and repentance for his sin. Right? We’re all sinners. Right?

    Politically, this is a very strong pick, for a number of reasons. First, Obama spent his entire convention trying to appease disaffected Clinton voters for not picking her as his VP. He was apparently just starting to make headway last night with his closing speech. Then, this morning, he is hit between the eyes by McCain’s gutsy pick. There is no question that McCain will get some of the more moderate Clinton voters, who will be attracted to the Palin candidacy and want to see the first woman vice-president. The soccer mom vote is McCain’s for the taking.

    Second, the Republican party needs to highlight its young up and coming bench. Palin is definitely a Republican candidate of the future and should help to re-vitalize the party image in the public’s eye.

    Third, Palin is relatively inexperienced, but more experienced than Obama. This puts the Obama campaign in a quandary. They would love to go after her on her qualifications, and, amazingly, issued a statement to that effect this morning. But can they really go there? An attack of that nature will certainly bounce back on Obama. He actually stated this morning that Palin has no foreign policy experience! That’s hubris. After all, he gave a speech in Germany once. And he’s running for president, not vice-president.

    Fourth, the Biden-Palin debate should be a kick. It’s nice to see the democrats, rather than republicans, putting up the old white guy.

    Fifth, Palin seems to be much more conservative than McCain. Yeah! Her four month old special needs child is evidence of her pro-life values, for those of you who doubt those.

    Personally, I have reservations about the pick, for reasons I have previously commented about on this blog. Palin just had her fifth child in April, and the baby has special needs, as he has Downs Syndrome. Is it the right season of life for her to be taking on a 24-7 job like this? I guess she’ll have to answer that one — actually, I guess she already did. I’ll be praying for her husband and her daughters, who are going to no doubt be taking on many child care responsibilities in the months ahead.

  • Don S

    Wow, Bass, way to keep it classy. A “user”? A “famously angry controller”? And Bill Clinton was……….????

    Seriously, John McCain’s sin with respect to his first wife was 30 years ago! And it was the first thing he talked about at the Saddleback Forum as the moral failure he regretted most in his life. This is a Christian blog and forgiveness is the order of the day when a person expresses genuine regret and repentance for his sin. Right? We’re all sinners. Right?

    Politically, this is a very strong pick, for a number of reasons. First, Obama spent his entire convention trying to appease disaffected Clinton voters for not picking her as his VP. He was apparently just starting to make headway last night with his closing speech. Then, this morning, he is hit between the eyes by McCain’s gutsy pick. There is no question that McCain will get some of the more moderate Clinton voters, who will be attracted to the Palin candidacy and want to see the first woman vice-president. The soccer mom vote is McCain’s for the taking.

    Second, the Republican party needs to highlight its young up and coming bench. Palin is definitely a Republican candidate of the future and should help to re-vitalize the party image in the public’s eye.

    Third, Palin is relatively inexperienced, but more experienced than Obama. This puts the Obama campaign in a quandary. They would love to go after her on her qualifications, and, amazingly, issued a statement to that effect this morning. But can they really go there? An attack of that nature will certainly bounce back on Obama. He actually stated this morning that Palin has no foreign policy experience! That’s hubris. After all, he gave a speech in Germany once. And he’s running for president, not vice-president.

    Fourth, the Biden-Palin debate should be a kick. It’s nice to see the democrats, rather than republicans, putting up the old white guy.

    Fifth, Palin seems to be much more conservative than McCain. Yeah! Her four month old special needs child is evidence of her pro-life values, for those of you who doubt those.

    Personally, I have reservations about the pick, for reasons I have previously commented about on this blog. Palin just had her fifth child in April, and the baby has special needs, as he has Downs Syndrome. Is it the right season of life for her to be taking on a 24-7 job like this? I guess she’ll have to answer that one — actually, I guess she already did. I’ll be praying for her husband and her daughters, who are going to no doubt be taking on many child care responsibilities in the months ahead.

  • Anon

    Sarah Palin is pro-life, and practices what she preaches, and is anti-black-mass-of-same-sex-”marriage” – though she did obey the unlawful ruling of the Alaskan Supreme Court that the Alaskan constitution was unconstitutional by the Alaskan constitution in banning that sacrilege and abomination. She should have resisted it as unlawful and thus of no effect.

    Bass, actually, she opposed that legislation. I believe I read that she vetoed it. Just to correct the disinformatsia.

    She is apparently MUCH better than McCain, Biden or Obama, and has 10 years of executive experience. The rest of them combined have no executive experience (it is reported).

  • Anon

    Sarah Palin is pro-life, and practices what she preaches, and is anti-black-mass-of-same-sex-”marriage” – though she did obey the unlawful ruling of the Alaskan Supreme Court that the Alaskan constitution was unconstitutional by the Alaskan constitution in banning that sacrilege and abomination. She should have resisted it as unlawful and thus of no effect.

    Bass, actually, she opposed that legislation. I believe I read that she vetoed it. Just to correct the disinformatsia.

    She is apparently MUCH better than McCain, Biden or Obama, and has 10 years of executive experience. The rest of them combined have no executive experience (it is reported).

  • Bruce

    Interesting that she is being labelled as a “maverick”. This in contrast to the maverick McCain. The media seems to be studiously NOT referring to him with that term, preferring perhaps the simpler term “old”. To counter this omission of what he must certainly consider a well-earned title, he’s gotten himself another maverick to run alongside him.

    I worry about that baby, though.

    As for her lack of experience, it appears this is the silly season for it. Give me a governor with less than two years of experience over a senator with the same, as a potential chief executive any day.

    I like the choice, except for that young baby.

  • Bruce

    Interesting that she is being labelled as a “maverick”. This in contrast to the maverick McCain. The media seems to be studiously NOT referring to him with that term, preferring perhaps the simpler term “old”. To counter this omission of what he must certainly consider a well-earned title, he’s gotten himself another maverick to run alongside him.

    I worry about that baby, though.

    As for her lack of experience, it appears this is the silly season for it. Give me a governor with less than two years of experience over a senator with the same, as a potential chief executive any day.

    I like the choice, except for that young baby.

  • Carl Vehse

    “Palin’s pro life, but she signed into law same-sex rights.”

    Bass, why did you make such a misleading statement?

    Gov. Palin was required by an Alaska Supreme Court order to sign the law even though she opposed health and retiree benefits to same-sex partners of state employees. In fact Palin supports a constitutional amendment to that effect. For more information read the Anchorage Daily News Dec, 2006, news article.

    McCain’s a famously angry controller; it’ll be interesting to see if he can keep Palin in line (and if she will agree to be kept in line).

    In line for what?!? Addressing the leftist lies, inuendos, and Daily Kos talking points already being hawked on Cranach?

  • Carl Vehse

    “Palin’s pro life, but she signed into law same-sex rights.”

    Bass, why did you make such a misleading statement?

    Gov. Palin was required by an Alaska Supreme Court order to sign the law even though she opposed health and retiree benefits to same-sex partners of state employees. In fact Palin supports a constitutional amendment to that effect. For more information read the Anchorage Daily News Dec, 2006, news article.

    McCain’s a famously angry controller; it’ll be interesting to see if he can keep Palin in line (and if she will agree to be kept in line).

    In line for what?!? Addressing the leftist lies, inuendos, and Daily Kos talking points already being hawked on Cranach?

  • Anon

    If Bill Clinton could do what he did in the Oval Office, surely she can care for her baby in the VP’s office.

  • Anon

    If Bill Clinton could do what he did in the Oval Office, surely she can care for her baby in the VP’s office.

  • Don S

    More info on Palin — she is a lifetime member of the NRA, she hunts moose, and eats mooseburgers. Gotta love that. A lot of midwestern states tilt Republican with this pick.

  • Don S

    More info on Palin — she is a lifetime member of the NRA, she hunts moose, and eats mooseburgers. Gotta love that. A lot of midwestern states tilt Republican with this pick.

  • Bass

    Anon #13, you misunderstood Palin’s involvement in implementing same-sex benefits in Alaska.
    As for her executive experience, I believe you’re crediting her term as mayor of a tiny Alaska town. I know HOA’s with larger populations. But I grant you that she appears ideological purer than others than McCain could have picked, and thus she may well pacify the GOP’s right wing.

  • Bass

    Anon #13, you misunderstood Palin’s involvement in implementing same-sex benefits in Alaska.
    As for her executive experience, I believe you’re crediting her term as mayor of a tiny Alaska town. I know HOA’s with larger populations. But I grant you that she appears ideological purer than others than McCain could have picked, and thus she may well pacify the GOP’s right wing.

  • saddler

    Hillary has to be seething. Her lifetime of angling toward legacy suddenly derailed by a dark horse from Alaska (of all places). Sarah and Hillary will be juxtaposed on the national scene, and HRC won’t weather well.

  • saddler

    Hillary has to be seething. Her lifetime of angling toward legacy suddenly derailed by a dark horse from Alaska (of all places). Sarah and Hillary will be juxtaposed on the national scene, and HRC won’t weather well.

  • Carl Vehse

    “More info on Palin…”

    … and a fisherman.

    Also read the comments and pics from a Floridian teacher, Elizabeth Eubanks, after a chance meeting with Gov. Palin and her daughter at the Fairbanks, AK, airport earlier this year.

  • Carl Vehse

    “More info on Palin…”

    … and a fisherman.

    Also read the comments and pics from a Floridian teacher, Elizabeth Eubanks, after a chance meeting with Gov. Palin and her daughter at the Fairbanks, AK, airport earlier this year.

  • Susan aka organshoes

    She might even do a good job, if elected.
    I don’t think she’s any less qualified for the Vice Presidency than Barack Obama is for the Presidency, and she’s certainly had more executive experience than he–than any of them, maybe.
    She’s certainly had the buck stop at the nameplate on her desk more than most legislators have.
    I hope her spunk is a match for Spunky Joe Biden’s spunk.

  • Susan aka organshoes

    She might even do a good job, if elected.
    I don’t think she’s any less qualified for the Vice Presidency than Barack Obama is for the Presidency, and she’s certainly had more executive experience than he–than any of them, maybe.
    She’s certainly had the buck stop at the nameplate on her desk more than most legislators have.
    I hope her spunk is a match for Spunky Joe Biden’s spunk.

  • Anon

    One of the Obaman tactics to shut down free speech is to send agents provocateur to conservative blogs and troll. (others include false legal advice, lawsuit threats, arrests and beatings)

    I’m curious; how long have those who post the talking points of the Daily Kossack been here?

  • Anon

    One of the Obaman tactics to shut down free speech is to send agents provocateur to conservative blogs and troll. (others include false legal advice, lawsuit threats, arrests and beatings)

    I’m curious; how long have those who post the talking points of the Daily Kossack been here?

  • Carl Vehse

    This just goes to show you that a href=”http://www.beldar.org/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/29/palinbook049.jpg”>two-year-old shrimper can grow up to be a “hockey mom” governor and presumptive VP nominee.

  • Carl Vehse

    This just goes to show you that a href=”http://www.beldar.org/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/29/palinbook049.jpg”>two-year-old shrimper can grow up to be a “hockey mom” governor and presumptive VP nominee.

  • The Jones

    Governor Palin, under any other election circumstances, would be a high-risk pick. But the Democrats have opened themselves up to this, and now I believe her downsides are relatively a non-factor. As a lifelong Republican, it makes me giddy with how ineffective the initial Democratic attack has been. Sarah “no experience” Palin. Honestly, Dems…. ….should you be the one to bring up the whole experience thing.

    The traditional line is that once this ticket is elected, if McCain dies we will then be left with a leader lacking experience.

    Well, if the Obama ticket is elected, we will have a leader with no experience UNTIL Obama dies.

    The Republican #2 has more experience than the Democrat #1. I’m liking the outlook.

  • The Jones

    Governor Palin, under any other election circumstances, would be a high-risk pick. But the Democrats have opened themselves up to this, and now I believe her downsides are relatively a non-factor. As a lifelong Republican, it makes me giddy with how ineffective the initial Democratic attack has been. Sarah “no experience” Palin. Honestly, Dems…. ….should you be the one to bring up the whole experience thing.

    The traditional line is that once this ticket is elected, if McCain dies we will then be left with a leader lacking experience.

    Well, if the Obama ticket is elected, we will have a leader with no experience UNTIL Obama dies.

    The Republican #2 has more experience than the Democrat #1. I’m liking the outlook.

  • Susan aka organshoes

    Rush Limbaugh had a great line today.
    ‘Here’s the way to look at McCain picking Sarah Palin as his running mate. Hillary Clinton has been replaced by the other woman…again.’
    The liberals in my family apparently didn’t find that funny.
    We are fortunately separated by many states.

  • Susan aka organshoes

    Rush Limbaugh had a great line today.
    ‘Here’s the way to look at McCain picking Sarah Palin as his running mate. Hillary Clinton has been replaced by the other woman…again.’
    The liberals in my family apparently didn’t find that funny.
    We are fortunately separated by many states.

  • Joe

    I read an article by Dick Morris this am before the announcement. His thrust was McCain should name a women for two big reasons:

    1. Obama is only leading McCain among femal voters by a 2 points. Typically the Dem candidate has a pretty solid 10-15 point lead. Adding a woman coudl bring in enough female voters to make the female vote a split.

  • Joe

    I read an article by Dick Morris this am before the announcement. His thrust was McCain should name a women for two big reasons:

    1. Obama is only leading McCain among femal voters by a 2 points. Typically the Dem candidate has a pretty solid 10-15 point lead. Adding a woman coudl bring in enough female voters to make the female vote a split.

  • J

    I’m unpersuaded by the reasoning (from men, usually) that says that Palin helps McCain simply because women will vote for a woman. Do men think they vote for men because they’re men? Maybe some do; and maybe some women who would not otherwise support McCain will now do so. But don’t we all like to think we make decisions more rationally? It seems odd to characterize the selection of Palin in such a Stepford-wife fashion.

  • J

    I’m unpersuaded by the reasoning (from men, usually) that says that Palin helps McCain simply because women will vote for a woman. Do men think they vote for men because they’re men? Maybe some do; and maybe some women who would not otherwise support McCain will now do so. But don’t we all like to think we make decisions more rationally? It seems odd to characterize the selection of Palin in such a Stepford-wife fashion.

  • Bruce

    J, since most people aren’t one-issue voters, it should be obvious that “just because she’s a woman”, she would not receive the bulk of the “woman vote” (which is pretty mythical anyway, IMO). BUT, other things being equal, it might be the one thing that tips the balance for a lot of people.

    I think folks have actually WANTED to vote for and elect a woman, but no one running met their other criteria. This lady might come closer for a lot of independent and undecided voters.

  • Bruce

    J, since most people aren’t one-issue voters, it should be obvious that “just because she’s a woman”, she would not receive the bulk of the “woman vote” (which is pretty mythical anyway, IMO). BUT, other things being equal, it might be the one thing that tips the balance for a lot of people.

    I think folks have actually WANTED to vote for and elect a woman, but no one running met their other criteria. This lady might come closer for a lot of independent and undecided voters.

  • Susan aka organshoes

    J–Do you not realize how many women supported Hillary simply because she’s a woman? Well, a Democrat woman. They supported a Democrat woman because she’s a Democrat woman.
    Lots of women really really really want to see a woman president. Go figure.
    Anecdotally, many of us can attest to how much emotion gets invested in a candidate–over and above rationality.

  • Susan aka organshoes

    J–Do you not realize how many women supported Hillary simply because she’s a woman? Well, a Democrat woman. They supported a Democrat woman because she’s a Democrat woman.
    Lots of women really really really want to see a woman president. Go figure.
    Anecdotally, many of us can attest to how much emotion gets invested in a candidate–over and above rationality.

  • J

    I hear you, Susan, but even so.
    Palin seems like such a cynical choice; surely if McCain really wanted to select a credible woman VP candidate, he would have found one with more substantial experience. He seems to be saying that any woman would do.
    Call me underwhelmed.

  • J

    I hear you, Susan, but even so.
    Palin seems like such a cynical choice; surely if McCain really wanted to select a credible woman VP candidate, he would have found one with more substantial experience. He seems to be saying that any woman would do.
    Call me underwhelmed.

  • Don S

    J, I think it seems cynical to you because you are looking at the choice using the race/gender lens that the democrats and the media always seem to impose on society. Maybe McCain wanted to select someone, regardless of gender or race, who was a young, up and coming conservative from a red state, who demonstrates ability, energy, vision, and stamina, and who would shake up the race and challenge long-held stereotypes about candidates and parties? How, may I ask, is Sarah Palin “any woman”? She is an incredibly interesting and accomplished person, wouldn’t you say? And if not, why not?

  • Don S

    J, I think it seems cynical to you because you are looking at the choice using the race/gender lens that the democrats and the media always seem to impose on society. Maybe McCain wanted to select someone, regardless of gender or race, who was a young, up and coming conservative from a red state, who demonstrates ability, energy, vision, and stamina, and who would shake up the race and challenge long-held stereotypes about candidates and parties? How, may I ask, is Sarah Palin “any woman”? She is an incredibly interesting and accomplished person, wouldn’t you say? And if not, why not?

  • Carl Vehse

    No, J, you’re just repeating the talking points from ‘rat media clymers like Charles Gibson and George Stepinallofit.

    When it comes to chief executive experience Gov. Palin has significantly more than the democratic Presidential nominee, who has none, or even she-who-will-not-be-named (who has even less). She has demonstrated the ability to make tough decisions in her 2 years as governor in an energy-important state, and she has made decisions opposing the envirowackos and Washington bureaucrats. She has demonstrated in her own personal life the moral positions that for many DC politicians are forgettable boilerplate platitudes.

    Those who hear Gov. Palin speak, including in an impromptu interview, witness intelligent and informed responses, not the stuttering blather of a narcissistic empty suit or the frothy exaggerations of a plagiarizing buffoon.

  • Carl Vehse

    No, J, you’re just repeating the talking points from ‘rat media clymers like Charles Gibson and George Stepinallofit.

    When it comes to chief executive experience Gov. Palin has significantly more than the democratic Presidential nominee, who has none, or even she-who-will-not-be-named (who has even less). She has demonstrated the ability to make tough decisions in her 2 years as governor in an energy-important state, and she has made decisions opposing the envirowackos and Washington bureaucrats. She has demonstrated in her own personal life the moral positions that for many DC politicians are forgettable boilerplate platitudes.

    Those who hear Gov. Palin speak, including in an impromptu interview, witness intelligent and informed responses, not the stuttering blather of a narcissistic empty suit or the frothy exaggerations of a plagiarizing buffoon.

  • The Jones

    I think Sarah Palin’s nomination WAS a pander to women voters and disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporters. But I also say “So what?”
    Palin IS a sitting governor, with specific policy achievements, a reform background and persona, and a reputation of being blunt and straightforward. So it’s just icing on the cake that she’s also a strategic demographic tool. Think of what her pick does do: 1) This COMPLETELY took the wind out of Obama’s speech yesterday. That is old news now. 2) She made social conservatives ecstatic. What’s been strange about this election is that it hasn’t been about independents (both Obama and McCain do well with independents), it’s been about strengthening the base. Obama needs disgruntled Hillary supporters, and McCain needs those suspicious social conservatives. With one pick, he made those conservatives happy and created another hurdle in Obama’s task. 3) It makes this race interesting. Republicans have suffered from the boring white guy syndrome for a long time. This not only steals the spotlight in this election, but it is an icebreaker for years to come. I say, this thing looks good. Of course it could go wrong in the future. Anything can. But right now, the prospects look great.
    And while the short governorship of Palin leads to the “on the job training” danger, I think her successful stint as an executive in Alaska makes up for a great deal of that. The fact that Obama headlines the other ticket takes care of much more. And while I don’t believe that she is unforgivably and undeniably in need of “on the job training,” I would like to make this point, for the sake of argument. The presidency does NOT lend itself to on the job training, but the VP spot does. I really won’t sweat a bit unless McCain dies within the first 6 months of office.

  • The Jones

    I think Sarah Palin’s nomination WAS a pander to women voters and disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporters. But I also say “So what?”
    Palin IS a sitting governor, with specific policy achievements, a reform background and persona, and a reputation of being blunt and straightforward. So it’s just icing on the cake that she’s also a strategic demographic tool. Think of what her pick does do: 1) This COMPLETELY took the wind out of Obama’s speech yesterday. That is old news now. 2) She made social conservatives ecstatic. What’s been strange about this election is that it hasn’t been about independents (both Obama and McCain do well with independents), it’s been about strengthening the base. Obama needs disgruntled Hillary supporters, and McCain needs those suspicious social conservatives. With one pick, he made those conservatives happy and created another hurdle in Obama’s task. 3) It makes this race interesting. Republicans have suffered from the boring white guy syndrome for a long time. This not only steals the spotlight in this election, but it is an icebreaker for years to come. I say, this thing looks good. Of course it could go wrong in the future. Anything can. But right now, the prospects look great.
    And while the short governorship of Palin leads to the “on the job training” danger, I think her successful stint as an executive in Alaska makes up for a great deal of that. The fact that Obama headlines the other ticket takes care of much more. And while I don’t believe that she is unforgivably and undeniably in need of “on the job training,” I would like to make this point, for the sake of argument. The presidency does NOT lend itself to on the job training, but the VP spot does. I really won’t sweat a bit unless McCain dies within the first 6 months of office.

  • Paul

    Has anyone noticed that both sides now have skipped an entire generation — the baby boomers — whom Hillary Clinton epitomized? Obama is 47? And Palin is 44? Okay, call ‘em baby ‘busters.’ On the other extreme is McCain and Biden who are how old – 72 and 65? It seems to me that both parties are skipping over the boomers albeit not exactly by age, looking for the next generation. The Dems skipped down for their Presidential Candidate while the Reps skipped down for their V.P. running mate. Since JFK was 43 when Nominated for President, I don’t see this as an age-thing but as a generational thing. Both parties have skipped those born between 1945 and 1960 looking to those older for stability and to those younger for change. True to character for both, the Dems have put the change ahead of stability while the Reps have put the stability ahead of change. But essentially, the both reflect the growing attitude in the country that the Truest Boomers have shown their rejection of stability but have blown their chance at effecting the change they so dearly wanted.

  • Paul

    Has anyone noticed that both sides now have skipped an entire generation — the baby boomers — whom Hillary Clinton epitomized? Obama is 47? And Palin is 44? Okay, call ‘em baby ‘busters.’ On the other extreme is McCain and Biden who are how old – 72 and 65? It seems to me that both parties are skipping over the boomers albeit not exactly by age, looking for the next generation. The Dems skipped down for their Presidential Candidate while the Reps skipped down for their V.P. running mate. Since JFK was 43 when Nominated for President, I don’t see this as an age-thing but as a generational thing. Both parties have skipped those born between 1945 and 1960 looking to those older for stability and to those younger for change. True to character for both, the Dems have put the change ahead of stability while the Reps have put the stability ahead of change. But essentially, the both reflect the growing attitude in the country that the Truest Boomers have shown their rejection of stability but have blown their chance at effecting the change they so dearly wanted.

  • Susan aka organshoes

    I’d read about Palin since she ran for governor of Alaska, but had never heard her speak, didn’t know her bio much. But she was fascinating today, to listen to. So confident, so all-American, so reality-based–not at all self-absorbed, not angry, and thank God no grievance-stories.
    She could really be inspiring. I wouldn’t underestimate her, just on her own merits.

  • Susan aka organshoes

    I’d read about Palin since she ran for governor of Alaska, but had never heard her speak, didn’t know her bio much. But she was fascinating today, to listen to. So confident, so all-American, so reality-based–not at all self-absorbed, not angry, and thank God no grievance-stories.
    She could really be inspiring. I wouldn’t underestimate her, just on her own merits.

  • http://www.brandywinebooks.net Lars Walker

    I’d like to point out (with characteristic modesty) that I said some time back in comments on this very same blog that I thought McCain would be crazy not to choose a woman as a running mate, if he had someone viable on his bench.

    I’m over the moon about this selection.

    Not only because I like everything I’ve learned about Palin, but because of what it tells me about McCain. He kept his own counsel, played his cards close to his chest, and executed an elegant head-fake on the Democrats at the strategically perfect moment.

    This is the guy I want dealing with Iran. This is the guy I want dealing with Russia.

  • http://www.brandywinebooks.net Lars Walker

    I’d like to point out (with characteristic modesty) that I said some time back in comments on this very same blog that I thought McCain would be crazy not to choose a woman as a running mate, if he had someone viable on his bench.

    I’m over the moon about this selection.

    Not only because I like everything I’ve learned about Palin, but because of what it tells me about McCain. He kept his own counsel, played his cards close to his chest, and executed an elegant head-fake on the Democrats at the strategically perfect moment.

    This is the guy I want dealing with Iran. This is the guy I want dealing with Russia.

  • rlewer

    The point is not that she was only governor for two years. It is how much she was able to accomplish in only two years. Remember the reforms that she was able to accomplish in the state before she even became governor.

    Biden has a lot more years of “experience.” It was mostly experience in being wrong.

  • rlewer

    The point is not that she was only governor for two years. It is how much she was able to accomplish in only two years. Remember the reforms that she was able to accomplish in the state before she even became governor.

    Biden has a lot more years of “experience.” It was mostly experience in being wrong.

  • Anon

    I don’t know how many group-will-to-power feminists will vote for Palin because she is a woman.

    I do know that unlike the Christian-hating Biden, and the Christians-must-conform-to-the-will-of-Caesar Obama, She -is- a Christian, pro-life, *lives* the pro-life belief, is intelligent, able to defeat corruption, and has more executive experience than Obama and Biden put together.

  • Anon

    I don’t know how many group-will-to-power feminists will vote for Palin because she is a woman.

    I do know that unlike the Christian-hating Biden, and the Christians-must-conform-to-the-will-of-Caesar Obama, She -is- a Christian, pro-life, *lives* the pro-life belief, is intelligent, able to defeat corruption, and has more executive experience than Obama and Biden put together.

  • Bruce

    Here is an excerpt from an email from yesterday. This is a friend who absolutely detests George Bush but tends to vote conservatively. He had in an ealier email expressed his total disappointment in McCain for such a “loser” pick. I think it reflects something of what the social-conservatives in the country felt yesterday:

    “I was so distraught that McCain threw away the election that I had to leave work to listen to her speech. My reaction is. . .

    Obama is toast. She is the real deal. I’ve never been more jazzed about anyone! She is authentic. She lives what she believes. She is middle america values to the core. She is honest. Every 20 to 40 something woman with a career & a family will resonate to her in profound way.

    This is a BRILLIANT choice that, once america gets to know, will CRUSH the dems.”

    Well, maybe not crush the dems, but he was pretty ecstatic just the same. I would guess that McCain’s donations hotlines are pretty hot just now.

    Paul #34: great observation about skipping the boomers! Not sure what it means, though.

  • Bruce

    Here is an excerpt from an email from yesterday. This is a friend who absolutely detests George Bush but tends to vote conservatively. He had in an ealier email expressed his total disappointment in McCain for such a “loser” pick. I think it reflects something of what the social-conservatives in the country felt yesterday:

    “I was so distraught that McCain threw away the election that I had to leave work to listen to her speech. My reaction is. . .

    Obama is toast. She is the real deal. I’ve never been more jazzed about anyone! She is authentic. She lives what she believes. She is middle america values to the core. She is honest. Every 20 to 40 something woman with a career & a family will resonate to her in profound way.

    This is a BRILLIANT choice that, once america gets to know, will CRUSH the dems.”

    Well, maybe not crush the dems, but he was pretty ecstatic just the same. I would guess that McCain’s donations hotlines are pretty hot just now.

    Paul #34: great observation about skipping the boomers! Not sure what it means, though.

  • Paul

    Re: skipping the boomers — First, I think this explains why Hillary lost as well as demonstrating something that I believe we also see in the church; namely, that the Boomers, as a group, tend to be all talk and no show, so the generations on either side are combining to support each other. I believe that this election now demonstrates that the Boomers have officially begun to lose their sway over the culture. It’s “The Beginning of the End” for “give peace a chance” and “kumbaya.”

    Second, I think this observation will be the principal determinant in the November election: Dems have put change ahead of stability (Obama, then Biden) while Reps have put stability ahead of change (McCain, then Palin). In the current national scene (war and economy), putting stability first will succeed.

    In fact, I will not only predict that McCain/Palin will win, but I will also predict that either McCain won’t run again or he will die in office near the end of his term. Then Palin will wear both mantles, marking the end of one era and the beginning of the next. This was also JFK’s appeal, being able to serve both old school and new which banner McCain/Palin now takes up better than any since (Bush/Quayle tried, but the Boomers had to have Change take the front seat which is how they had (mistakenly) seen JFK.).

    In my opinion, this observation (1) explains recent developments, and (2) predicts the outcome.

  • Paul

    Re: skipping the boomers — First, I think this explains why Hillary lost as well as demonstrating something that I believe we also see in the church; namely, that the Boomers, as a group, tend to be all talk and no show, so the generations on either side are combining to support each other. I believe that this election now demonstrates that the Boomers have officially begun to lose their sway over the culture. It’s “The Beginning of the End” for “give peace a chance” and “kumbaya.”

    Second, I think this observation will be the principal determinant in the November election: Dems have put change ahead of stability (Obama, then Biden) while Reps have put stability ahead of change (McCain, then Palin). In the current national scene (war and economy), putting stability first will succeed.

    In fact, I will not only predict that McCain/Palin will win, but I will also predict that either McCain won’t run again or he will die in office near the end of his term. Then Palin will wear both mantles, marking the end of one era and the beginning of the next. This was also JFK’s appeal, being able to serve both old school and new which banner McCain/Palin now takes up better than any since (Bush/Quayle tried, but the Boomers had to have Change take the front seat which is how they had (mistakenly) seen JFK.).

    In my opinion, this observation (1) explains recent developments, and (2) predicts the outcome.

  • Carl Vehse

    In his Toledo Blade column, “McCain’s Masterstroke”, Jack Kelly notes:

    “Whether this is a brilliant choice or a bad risk will depend on how Ms. Palin performs on the campaign trail. But if I were Joe Biden, I’d be worried. A former journalist, Sarah Palin is careful about what she says and says it well, qualities for which Mr. Biden is not renowned. Mr. Obama picked Mr. Biden in part because of his reputed skill as a hatchet man. But if Mr. Biden comes on too hard in the vice presidential debate, he’ll look like a bully. And Alaska is littered with the bodies of those who tried to bully Sarah Palin and failed.

    “What’s not in doubt is that Mr. McCain’s rollout of his running mate was brilliant. The secret was kept until the last minute, which is remarkable in politics. Speculation about who it would be dominated the morning talk shows yesterday, pushing aside discussion of Mr. Obama’s acceptance speech.

    “Mr. McCain has shown political skills few of us thought he had. I think he’s about to take the new kid to school.”

  • Carl Vehse

    In his Toledo Blade column, “McCain’s Masterstroke”, Jack Kelly notes:

    “Whether this is a brilliant choice or a bad risk will depend on how Ms. Palin performs on the campaign trail. But if I were Joe Biden, I’d be worried. A former journalist, Sarah Palin is careful about what she says and says it well, qualities for which Mr. Biden is not renowned. Mr. Obama picked Mr. Biden in part because of his reputed skill as a hatchet man. But if Mr. Biden comes on too hard in the vice presidential debate, he’ll look like a bully. And Alaska is littered with the bodies of those who tried to bully Sarah Palin and failed.

    “What’s not in doubt is that Mr. McCain’s rollout of his running mate was brilliant. The secret was kept until the last minute, which is remarkable in politics. Speculation about who it would be dominated the morning talk shows yesterday, pushing aside discussion of Mr. Obama’s acceptance speech.

    “Mr. McCain has shown political skills few of us thought he had. I think he’s about to take the new kid to school.”

  • Paul

    BTW: Both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were born in 1946. Gerald Kieschnick, current President of the LC-MS, was born in 1943. I expect that the next LCMS President will either be born after 1960 (less than age 45 at the next Convention) or very close to 1945 (right around age 65 at the next Convention). Although the shift may not come at this next convention, I do expect it will and it will also skip over the Boomers.

  • Paul

    BTW: Both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were born in 1946. Gerald Kieschnick, current President of the LC-MS, was born in 1943. I expect that the next LCMS President will either be born after 1960 (less than age 45 at the next Convention) or very close to 1945 (right around age 65 at the next Convention). Although the shift may not come at this next convention, I do expect it will and it will also skip over the Boomers.

  • Booklover

    If I was a shallow person I would vote for her for her great cheekbones, her excellent taste in shoes, and her exquisite choice of a hunk of a husband.

    Not being shallow, I am ecstatic because she exhibits conservatism both morally and socially.
    1. She demonstrates the most important value, pro-life, by not just her words but her life.
    2. She saves the peoples’ money—as soon as she took office she sold the governor’s private jet, and she travels commercially like the rest of us.
    3. She realizes that Alaska was joined to the union in large part for the benefit its great resources would bring. Hence, she is working for ways to supply our country with oil that are both commonsense yet will impact the environment minimally.

    She is used to hard work. (She was a basketball star, she often got up at 3 a.m. to go moose-hunting, she raises 5 kids, she was a hockey mom, she was on a city council and a mayor. . .)

    I’m willing to forgive her for being a Pentecostal. :-)

  • Booklover

    If I was a shallow person I would vote for her for her great cheekbones, her excellent taste in shoes, and her exquisite choice of a hunk of a husband.

    Not being shallow, I am ecstatic because she exhibits conservatism both morally and socially.
    1. She demonstrates the most important value, pro-life, by not just her words but her life.
    2. She saves the peoples’ money—as soon as she took office she sold the governor’s private jet, and she travels commercially like the rest of us.
    3. She realizes that Alaska was joined to the union in large part for the benefit its great resources would bring. Hence, she is working for ways to supply our country with oil that are both commonsense yet will impact the environment minimally.

    She is used to hard work. (She was a basketball star, she often got up at 3 a.m. to go moose-hunting, she raises 5 kids, she was a hockey mom, she was on a city council and a mayor. . .)

    I’m willing to forgive her for being a Pentecostal. :-)

  • CRB

    I’d like to ask an honest question (as I really do not know the answer): What is the difference between a Pentecostal and someone who espouses “liberation
    theology”? I understand that some Pentecostals do not believe in the Trinity?

  • CRB

    I’d like to ask an honest question (as I really do not know the answer): What is the difference between a Pentecostal and someone who espouses “liberation
    theology”? I understand that some Pentecostals do not believe in the Trinity?

  • Don S

    Technically, the baby boom generation is most commonly defined as being 1946-1964, so both Obama and Palin are technically baby boomers. Though, I don’t think that detracts from the point that the older baby boomers, those who came of age in the 60′s and should be the most likely presidential candidates at this point in time, seem to have been skipped during this campaign cycle.

    “Pentecostal” is used broadly to define those who emphasize the spiritual gifts which were manifest during the feast of Pentecost in Acts 2, correct? Many who would be considered Pentecostal are Trinitarian (e.g. Assemblies of God, Foursquare), though I believe there are some who are not. I don’t think there is much connection between “liberation theology” and pentecostalism. Two entirely different concepts.

  • Don S

    Technically, the baby boom generation is most commonly defined as being 1946-1964, so both Obama and Palin are technically baby boomers. Though, I don’t think that detracts from the point that the older baby boomers, those who came of age in the 60′s and should be the most likely presidential candidates at this point in time, seem to have been skipped during this campaign cycle.

    “Pentecostal” is used broadly to define those who emphasize the spiritual gifts which were manifest during the feast of Pentecost in Acts 2, correct? Many who would be considered Pentecostal are Trinitarian (e.g. Assemblies of God, Foursquare), though I believe there are some who are not. I don’t think there is much connection between “liberation theology” and pentecostalism. Two entirely different concepts.

  • Anon

    There are ‘oneness’ pentacostals. United Pentacostal, I think is the name. They are typically modal monarchians. I don’t think that there are many of them. The vast majority of pentacostals and charismatics are trinitarian evangelicals and catholics.

    Liberation theology is ‘baptized’ Marxism. That is on the left side of things, with Elca, PCUSA, TEC, and so forth. Not the conservative, Bible-believing Pentacostals.

  • Anon

    There are ‘oneness’ pentacostals. United Pentacostal, I think is the name. They are typically modal monarchians. I don’t think that there are many of them. The vast majority of pentacostals and charismatics are trinitarian evangelicals and catholics.

    Liberation theology is ‘baptized’ Marxism. That is on the left side of things, with Elca, PCUSA, TEC, and so forth. Not the conservative, Bible-believing Pentacostals.

  • Carl Vehse

    To keep this focused on McCain’s VP nominee, here’s Harper’s magazine article on “Palin and Her Pastors: “Those that die without Christ have a horrible, horrible surprise”.

    Some links to sermons of her current and former pastors are given at the bottom of the article.

  • Carl Vehse

    To keep this focused on McCain’s VP nominee, here’s Harper’s magazine article on “Palin and Her Pastors: “Those that die without Christ have a horrible, horrible surprise”.

    Some links to sermons of her current and former pastors are given at the bottom of the article.

  • rlewer

    We are not electing a national theologian.

  • rlewer

    We are not electing a national theologian.

  • BKW

    “Personally, I have reservations about the pick, for reasons I have previously commented about on this blog. Palin just had her fifth child in April, and the baby has special needs, as he has Downs Syndrome. Is it the right season of life for her to be taking on a 24-7 job like this? I guess she’ll have to answer that one — actually, I guess she already did. I’ll be praying for her husband and her daughters, who are going to no doubt be taking on many child care responsibilities in the months ahead.”

    Agreed. It will be interesting to see how conservative family values voters will justify this and put the proper spin on her sacrificing her family for this position.

  • BKW

    “Personally, I have reservations about the pick, for reasons I have previously commented about on this blog. Palin just had her fifth child in April, and the baby has special needs, as he has Downs Syndrome. Is it the right season of life for her to be taking on a 24-7 job like this? I guess she’ll have to answer that one — actually, I guess she already did. I’ll be praying for her husband and her daughters, who are going to no doubt be taking on many child care responsibilities in the months ahead.”

    Agreed. It will be interesting to see how conservative family values voters will justify this and put the proper spin on her sacrificing her family for this position.

  • Carl Vehse

    “It will be interesting to see how conservative family values voters will justify this and put the proper spin on her sacrificing her family for this position.”

    How do you know she is sacrificing her family for this position? What evidence do you have for that or any need for a “proper spin”? Did you think she sacrificed her family in running for and then serving as governor? From what I can find through even a cursory internet examination of the information available about Sarah Palin and her family (other than the rantings from leftist blogs and the major league clymers), her family has turned out very well. I think their youngest son will have more than enough love and care from Sarah and the rest of her family as he grows up and deals with any problems he may have.

    Give it a rest, BKW; you must be tired from carrying all that water for Barry.

  • Carl Vehse

    “It will be interesting to see how conservative family values voters will justify this and put the proper spin on her sacrificing her family for this position.”

    How do you know she is sacrificing her family for this position? What evidence do you have for that or any need for a “proper spin”? Did you think she sacrificed her family in running for and then serving as governor? From what I can find through even a cursory internet examination of the information available about Sarah Palin and her family (other than the rantings from leftist blogs and the major league clymers), her family has turned out very well. I think their youngest son will have more than enough love and care from Sarah and the rest of her family as he grows up and deals with any problems he may have.

    Give it a rest, BKW; you must be tired from carrying all that water for Barry.

  • Carl Vehse

    OTOH, the VP on another ticket might consider giving up the race and a 24/7 job to spend a little more quality time with his son, who obviously has (or could have) some special needs.

  • Carl Vehse

    OTOH, the VP on another ticket might consider giving up the race and a 24/7 job to spend a little more quality time with his son, who obviously has (or could have) some special needs.

  • B.Wink

    Spin #1

  • B.Wink

    Spin #1

  • BKW

    Governor of Alaska vs. VP of the United States? Hmmm…

  • BKW

    Governor of Alaska vs. VP of the United States? Hmmm…

  • Paul

    BKW:

    Four years as Senator and then to PRESIDENT of the United States? Doesn’t seem a problem then for a sitting Governor to be VICE President.

  • Paul

    BKW:

    Four years as Senator and then to PRESIDENT of the United States? Doesn’t seem a problem then for a sitting Governor to be VICE President.

  • Carl Vehse

    Four years?!?

    In terms of continuous time from when Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Hussein Obama) took office as senator until he began campaigning for the presidency in May, 2007, it’s almost 2 years, 5 months.

    In terms of work days in the Senate over the same period of time, Barry has served only 144 days.

    When she was selected by McCain for his VP running mate, Sarah Palin had served as governor of Alaska for 1 year and 9 months, or 634 days.

  • Carl Vehse

    Four years?!?

    In terms of continuous time from when Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Hussein Obama) took office as senator until he began campaigning for the presidency in May, 2007, it’s almost 2 years, 5 months.

    In terms of work days in the Senate over the same period of time, Barry has served only 144 days.

    When she was selected by McCain for his VP running mate, Sarah Palin had served as governor of Alaska for 1 year and 9 months, or 634 days.

  • Jonathan

    This poor woman may be able to hunt polar bear, but she plainly is the least qualified VP choice in modern times. Her selection shows the worse sort of pandering and that McCain’s judgment in making appointments is grossly self-centered and deeply flawed. Maybe McCain will appoint his wife (also a former beauty queen – is this what he values in women?) as Secretary of State.

  • Jonathan

    This poor woman may be able to hunt polar bear, but she plainly is the least qualified VP choice in modern times. Her selection shows the worse sort of pandering and that McCain’s judgment in making appointments is grossly self-centered and deeply flawed. Maybe McCain will appoint his wife (also a former beauty queen – is this what he values in women?) as Secretary of State.

  • The Jones

    I think what some people seem to be missing is that right now, John McCain is TIED in the polls against Barack Obama, right after the most watched Democratic national convention in history, in a year when Republicans are supposed to get creamed, and even BEFORE the Republican convention.

    Just as Obama is losing steam, McCain is gaining it. He has unified his party while Barack Obama couldn’t unify his. He was the headline on every news channel (until Hurricane Gustav, that is) and has gotten more coverage than Obama for the first time in the entire election.

    Like I said, anything can go bad, but the more I look at Palin and the more I look at the positives of past couple of days, this is looking like a very, very good choice.

  • The Jones

    I think what some people seem to be missing is that right now, John McCain is TIED in the polls against Barack Obama, right after the most watched Democratic national convention in history, in a year when Republicans are supposed to get creamed, and even BEFORE the Republican convention.

    Just as Obama is losing steam, McCain is gaining it. He has unified his party while Barack Obama couldn’t unify his. He was the headline on every news channel (until Hurricane Gustav, that is) and has gotten more coverage than Obama for the first time in the entire election.

    Like I said, anything can go bad, but the more I look at Palin and the more I look at the positives of past couple of days, this is looking like a very, very good choice.

  • Anon

    Palin does have some negatives: it appears that -maybe- she was 1 month pregnant when she married. However, she got married right away. Secondly, first time pregnancies aren’t always spot on nine months. Thirdly, she might not have known she was pregnant at that point.

    Now it turns out her 17 year-old daughter is pregnant. Not a good witness, and the example of her own parents might be at play her. But she is going to keep the baby, and is marrying the father. In Biblical law, if a couple has sex, but then gets married, it is no longer the sin of fornication. In Rabbinical law, that was considered shameful, but lawful. But definitely shameful.

    You can count on the hate-filled anti-Christ left to harp on it – they already are. We must be careful in our defense of her and of their obvious repentance to not thereby give permission to our singles to follow in their footsteps – only in the example not murdering the baby, and of marrying.

    The ‘bridge to nowhere’ is also a problem, as it was not to nowhere, but to a town that is otherwise isolated from food and medical care for half the year. It was a humanitarian action, and Palin opposed it.

  • Anon

    Palin does have some negatives: it appears that -maybe- she was 1 month pregnant when she married. However, she got married right away. Secondly, first time pregnancies aren’t always spot on nine months. Thirdly, she might not have known she was pregnant at that point.

    Now it turns out her 17 year-old daughter is pregnant. Not a good witness, and the example of her own parents might be at play her. But she is going to keep the baby, and is marrying the father. In Biblical law, if a couple has sex, but then gets married, it is no longer the sin of fornication. In Rabbinical law, that was considered shameful, but lawful. But definitely shameful.

    You can count on the hate-filled anti-Christ left to harp on it – they already are. We must be careful in our defense of her and of their obvious repentance to not thereby give permission to our singles to follow in their footsteps – only in the example not murdering the baby, and of marrying.

    The ‘bridge to nowhere’ is also a problem, as it was not to nowhere, but to a town that is otherwise isolated from food and medical care for half the year. It was a humanitarian action, and Palin opposed it.

  • Carl Vehse

    While the posting of leftist talking points about McCain’s VP selection has been pointed out earlier, another viewpoint that may explain some of the posted comments has not yet been mentioned. That unstated viewpoint, primarily from a Biblical basis, is that women should not hold public government offices over men. (This corresponds to similar doctrinal views for two other Scripturally-based institutions – the family and the church.)

    Thus, while one may agree with Palin’s political positions opposing abortion, government waste, political corruption, enviromental pseudoscience, etc., this unstated viewpoint would also hold that Palin should be satisified with being a wife and mother (and now, apparently, grandmother), and not assume such vocations as mayor, chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, governor, commander-in-chief of the Alaska National and Air Guard, or Vice-President.

    It would be helpful in posted discussions of any negative aspects or political positions of Palin if the poster were to identify whether his objections come from a political opposition viewpoint that her positions are incorrect (e.g., inconsistent, too liberal, or too conservative), and/or from a fundamental religious viewpoint that, regardless of her political positions, Palin should not be in (or try for) such a vocation.

  • Carl Vehse

    While the posting of leftist talking points about McCain’s VP selection has been pointed out earlier, another viewpoint that may explain some of the posted comments has not yet been mentioned. That unstated viewpoint, primarily from a Biblical basis, is that women should not hold public government offices over men. (This corresponds to similar doctrinal views for two other Scripturally-based institutions – the family and the church.)

    Thus, while one may agree with Palin’s political positions opposing abortion, government waste, political corruption, enviromental pseudoscience, etc., this unstated viewpoint would also hold that Palin should be satisified with being a wife and mother (and now, apparently, grandmother), and not assume such vocations as mayor, chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, governor, commander-in-chief of the Alaska National and Air Guard, or Vice-President.

    It would be helpful in posted discussions of any negative aspects or political positions of Palin if the poster were to identify whether his objections come from a political opposition viewpoint that her positions are incorrect (e.g., inconsistent, too liberal, or too conservative), and/or from a fundamental religious viewpoint that, regardless of her political positions, Palin should not be in (or try for) such a vocation.

  • Joe

    Anon – they island was not isolated. They have regular ferry service. The bridge was just a way for Ted Stevens (currently under federal indictment) to bring more pork to his state. Palin had the courage to say no, if we want it we’ll build it ourselves with our money.

  • Joe

    Anon – they island was not isolated. They have regular ferry service. The bridge was just a way for Ted Stevens (currently under federal indictment) to bring more pork to his state. Palin had the courage to say no, if we want it we’ll build it ourselves with our money.

  • Anon

    Joe, it only has ferry service half the year. Ted Stevens is indicted by Democrats – whenever Democrats get the power to harass their opponents with the organs of government, they do so. The usual Democrat witch-hunts don’t mean anything in and of themselves.

    Just like all of the frothing-at-the-mouth hate-filled lies on the Democrat blogs – they who have made a covenant with death – against Palin and her family. And they will likely continue to issue lies, showing their parentage.

  • Anon

    Joe, it only has ferry service half the year. Ted Stevens is indicted by Democrats – whenever Democrats get the power to harass their opponents with the organs of government, they do so. The usual Democrat witch-hunts don’t mean anything in and of themselves.

    Just like all of the frothing-at-the-mouth hate-filled lies on the Democrat blogs – they who have made a covenant with death – against Palin and her family. And they will likely continue to issue lies, showing their parentage.

  • Anon

    The latest news: protesters in Saint Paul are breaking glass and starting fires. The national guard has been called out.

    ‘Breaking glass’ . . .where have I heard of that before.

  • Anon

    The latest news: protesters in Saint Paul are breaking glass and starting fires. The national guard has been called out.

    ‘Breaking glass’ . . .where have I heard of that before.

  • Paul

    There are many, many such places in Alaska (and even in Michigan) that are not accessible by road or by water for half or more of the year. If we built bridges to them all . . . . well, you see my point.

  • Paul

    There are many, many such places in Alaska (and even in Michigan) that are not accessible by road or by water for half or more of the year. If we built bridges to them all . . . . well, you see my point.

  • Joe

    Anon – an indictment comes from the Justice Department – not the Senate. Ted Stevens is in the criminal justice system and was put there by Republicans.

    Re: the ferry – from the five or six hits I looked at running a google search this morning it appears that it runs year round. Every 30 minutes except during peak tourist season when it runs every 15 minutes. This is the airport ferry; costs 5 buck round trip. (connects the island – home to all of what 50 people? – to the second busiest airport in Alaska). There is also a state run ferry. These people are connected to the world.

  • Joe

    Anon – an indictment comes from the Justice Department – not the Senate. Ted Stevens is in the criminal justice system and was put there by Republicans.

    Re: the ferry – from the five or six hits I looked at running a google search this morning it appears that it runs year round. Every 30 minutes except during peak tourist season when it runs every 15 minutes. This is the airport ferry; costs 5 buck round trip. (connects the island – home to all of what 50 people? – to the second busiest airport in Alaska). There is also a state run ferry. These people are connected to the world.


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