Replacing the New Testament reading with the Quran

Rev. Kevin Thew Forrester, who has been elected bishop of Northern Michigan by the Episcopal Church replaced the New Testament reading for one of the Sundays in Epiphany with a passage from the Quran. The liturgy folder, which you can download from the link if you don’t believe it, keeps the regular responses:

Reader: Hear what the Spirit is saying to the church.

Assembly: Thanks be to God.

(Note to Steve from Toronto: I don’t mean to pick on Anglicans! I agree on their many contributions to historic Christianity. It just makes it hurt the more when I see things like this.)

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Manxman

    This is what the LORD (YHWH!!!!!) says—
    Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
    I am the first and I am the last;
    apart from me there is no God.
    Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
    Let him declare and lay out before me
    what has happened since I established my ancient people,
    and what is yet to come—
    yes, let him foretell what will come.

    Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
    Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?
    You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me?
    No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."

    All who make idols are nothing,
    and the things they treasure are worthless.
    Those who would speak up for them are blind;
    they are ignorant, to their own shame.

  • Manxman

    This is what the LORD (YHWH!!!!!) says—
    Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
    I am the first and I am the last;
    apart from me there is no God.
    Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
    Let him declare and lay out before me
    what has happened since I established my ancient people,
    and what is yet to come—
    yes, let him foretell what will come.

    Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
    Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?
    You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me?
    No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."

    All who make idols are nothing,
    and the things they treasure are worthless.
    Those who would speak up for them are blind;
    they are ignorant, to their own shame.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/CharlesLehmann CharlesLehmann

    It should be:

    Reader: Hear what the spirit of Antichrist is saying to the church.

    Assembly: Let him be anathema.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/CharlesLehmann CharlesLehmann

    It should be:

    Reader: Hear what the spirit of Antichrist is saying to the church.

    Assembly: Let him be anathema.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/wcwirla wcwirla

    The bishop is apostate, and if the church does not remove him, that church is apostate as well. As Charles says: Let him be anathema.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/wcwirla wcwirla

    The bishop is apostate, and if the church does not remove him, that church is apostate as well. As Charles says: Let him be anathema.

  • Cap Stewart

    This unfortunate event (to put it mildly) reminds me of the kindness of God in my own life, keeping me from the damning delusions that are plaguing so many in the church. But for the grace of God, I would—or, at the very least, could—be susceptible to such abominable lies. Thank God for the gift of His Spirit, who guides us into all truth.

  • Cap Stewart

    This unfortunate event (to put it mildly) reminds me of the kindness of God in my own life, keeping me from the damning delusions that are plaguing so many in the church. But for the grace of God, I would—or, at the very least, could—be susceptible to such abominable lies. Thank God for the gift of His Spirit, who guides us into all truth.

  • Kelly

    I seriously just don't get it… what is the *point* of doing things like this? Unless the bishops who do these things really are closet Muslims. Does it impress the social circles they move in and get them invited to better parties? I can't imagine it would impress many seriously devout Muslims.

  • Kelly

    I seriously just don't get it… what is the *point* of doing things like this? Unless the bishops who do these things really are closet Muslims. Does it impress the social circles they move in and get them invited to better parties? I can't imagine it would impress many seriously devout Muslims.

  • Joe

    The point is spread their warped theology. Follow the link in the post and you will find comments to the original post. One has the text of the collect for the day:

    “God of Light and Wisdom:
    May we hold in trust
    The questioning mind,
    The searching heart,
    The thirsting soul;
    May we guard as sacred
    The many different paths into you,
    The Font of all Life;
    May we be as ready to hear the good news
    From your people of other denominations and faiths,
    As we are to proclaim the gospel;
    Through the healing Spirit of Christ. Amen”

    This theology sees Christ as but one path to God. It also appears that they invited a Muslim to preach that day.

  • Joe

    The point is spread their warped theology. Follow the link in the post and you will find comments to the original post. One has the text of the collect for the day:

    “God of Light and Wisdom:
    May we hold in trust
    The questioning mind,
    The searching heart,
    The thirsting soul;
    May we guard as sacred
    The many different paths into you,
    The Font of all Life;
    May we be as ready to hear the good news
    From your people of other denominations and faiths,
    As we are to proclaim the gospel;
    Through the healing Spirit of Christ. Amen”

    This theology sees Christ as but one path to God. It also appears that they invited a Muslim to preach that day.

  • http://newine.wordpress.com ultraguy

    Ya… just this year, the publishers of the Quaker calendar my family has exchanged on Christmas for generations (though I'm not Quaker) began sneaking in quotes from the Q'uran. And I began redacting them with a sharpie when I didn't throw the entire month in the trash. The tide is sadly rising. Fortunately, we know who wins.

  • http://newine.wordpress.com ultraguy

    Ya… just this year, the publishers of the Quaker calendar my family has exchanged on Christmas for generations (though I'm not Quaker) began sneaking in quotes from the Q'uran. And I began redacting them with a sharpie when I didn't throw the entire month in the trash. The tide is sadly rising. Fortunately, we know who wins.

  • Jerry

    I really don't get the "many paths to God" concept among "Christians" although it is obviously popular.

    How do you hold to such a doctrine without making Jesus a liar in John 14:6?

  • Jerry

    I really don't get the "many paths to God" concept among "Christians" although it is obviously popular.

    How do you hold to such a doctrine without making Jesus a liar in John 14:6?

  • Joe

    You can't. That is the problem. But it is easy to get around it. You do what the ELCA has done and even expressly stated in its new study Bible – you say, "We believe that the Word of God is IN the Bible, but the Bible (in total) IS NOT the Word of God." Then you just get to pick and chose which parts you like.

  • Joe

    You can't. That is the problem. But it is easy to get around it. You do what the ELCA has done and even expressly stated in its new study Bible – you say, "We believe that the Word of God is IN the Bible, but the Bible (in total) IS NOT the Word of God." Then you just get to pick and chose which parts you like.

  • Jerry

    At best that makes John a liar for misquoting Jesus. Who wants a Bible written by liars? Yeah, I know, most denominations these days.

    Kyrie Eliason!

  • Jerry

    At best that makes John a liar for misquoting Jesus. Who wants a Bible written by liars? Yeah, I know, most denominations these days.

    Kyrie Eliason!

  • Steve in Toronto

    Please check out the excellent debate that is going on regarding Bishop (elect) Forrester over at Anglican Centrist http://anglicancentrist.blogspot.com/ . I think you will be surprised at how wide spread (as well as how thoughtful) the opposition to Forrester is in the ECUSA. As I said in a previous post I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the ECUSA is a lost cause but I am hopeful the Anglican Mission in American and her sister denominations will salvage what’s best of the tradition from that rapidly sinking ship.

    God bless

    Steve in Toronto

  • Steve in Toronto

    Please check out the excellent debate that is going on regarding Bishop (elect) Forrester over at Anglican Centrist http://anglicancentrist.blogspot.com/ . I think you will be surprised at how wide spread (as well as how thoughtful) the opposition to Forrester is in the ECUSA. As I said in a previous post I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the ECUSA is a lost cause but I am hopeful the Anglican Mission in American and her sister denominations will salvage what’s best of the tradition from that rapidly sinking ship.

    God bless

    Steve in Toronto

  • Steve in Toronto

    I really don’t mind you ripping into genuine heretics (like Forrester) in fact I encourage it. I only object when a Godly Men like Rev Williams gets caught in the crossfire.

    Peace

    Steve in Toronto

  • Steve in Toronto

    I really don’t mind you ripping into genuine heretics (like Forrester) in fact I encourage it. I only object when a Godly Men like Rev Williams gets caught in the crossfire.

    Peace

    Steve in Toronto

  • LAJ

    Which study Bible is that? It must be NRSV, isn't it? What do you think of the new ESV study Bible new last January?

  • LAJ

    Which study Bible is that? It must be NRSV, isn't it? What do you think of the new ESV study Bible new last January?

  • Joe

    Steve – I am glad to hear it!

  • Joe

    Steve – I am glad to hear it!

  • Joe

    Yes it is an NRSV version that is put out by Augsburg – the ELCAs publishing house (not to be confussed with the new LCMS study Bible that unfortunately carries the exact same name – The Lutheran Study Bible).

    I am not familure with the new ESV study Bible you refered to? I do know that the new LCMS study Bible (which can be pre-ordered now) uses the ESV.

  • Joe

    Yes it is an NRSV version that is put out by Augsburg – the ELCAs publishing house (not to be confussed with the new LCMS study Bible that unfortunately carries the exact same name – The Lutheran Study Bible).

    I am not familure with the new ESV study Bible you refered to? I do know that the new LCMS study Bible (which can be pre-ordered now) uses the ESV.

  • Steve in Toronto

    Sadly I am afraid the today’s ECUSA can best be described as a place where the inmates have taken over the asylum. This is not to say those Godly Orthodox men (and even a few Women) are not in positions of authority just those there voices seem to be increasingly marginalized. Sadly this is the inevitable result of schism (the wake of the Seminex controversy in the LCMS, the OPC/PCUSA split ect). The kind of polarization that results from these divisions is especially hard on people like my self who are regularly described as a fundamentalist by the liberals and as a liberal by the Conservatives.

    God Bless

    Steve in Toronto

  • Steve in Toronto

    Sadly I am afraid the today’s ECUSA can best be described as a place where the inmates have taken over the asylum. This is not to say those Godly Orthodox men (and even a few Women) are not in positions of authority just those there voices seem to be increasingly marginalized. Sadly this is the inevitable result of schism (the wake of the Seminex controversy in the LCMS, the OPC/PCUSA split ect). The kind of polarization that results from these divisions is especially hard on people like my self who are regularly described as a fundamentalist by the liberals and as a liberal by the Conservatives.

    God Bless

    Steve in Toronto

  • LAJ

    The ESV one is not Lutheran, but it is better on Baptism than Life Application study Bibles are. Interesting that Christian book stores probably won't carry the Augsburg one because they do not give enough of a discount, which mean I won't have to sell it to customers!

  • LAJ

    The ESV one is not Lutheran, but it is better on Baptism than Life Application study Bibles are. Interesting that Christian book stores probably won't carry the Augsburg one because they do not give enough of a discount, which mean I won't have to sell it to customers!


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