Atheists’ two principles

In bidding Goodbye to the Decade of the New Atheists?, Touchstone’s James Kushiner quotes Doug Wilson from the DVD of his debate with Christopher Hitchens:

“Atheists have two basic principles: First, there is no god. Second, I hate him.”

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Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • http://www.brandywinebooks.net Lars Walker

    That’s always been my impression, in listening to atheists.

  • http://www.brandywinebooks.net Lars Walker

    That’s always been my impression, in listening to atheists.

  • Bryan Lindemood

    Perhaps this is why it is so fruitful to engage athiests in debate. Their always so much closer to believing than they think.

  • Bryan Lindemood

    Perhaps this is why it is so fruitful to engage athiests in debate. Their always so much closer to believing than they think.

  • Larry

    That’s a good one, and very accurate. If anyone could debate an atheist well with sharp rapier wit it would be Doug Wilson, he has a great skill in that arena. It’s an admission of the reality that there is no such thing as a real atheist that really believes what he himself says he believes. Namely that there is no God, because as Wilson says they also show, “and I hate him”.

    I’ve always said why are there not any aleprechaunians? I don’t believe there are any leprechauns and I don’t hate them because, well, I really don’t believer there ARE ANY leprechauns.

    Larry

  • Larry

    That’s a good one, and very accurate. If anyone could debate an atheist well with sharp rapier wit it would be Doug Wilson, he has a great skill in that arena. It’s an admission of the reality that there is no such thing as a real atheist that really believes what he himself says he believes. Namely that there is no God, because as Wilson says they also show, “and I hate him”.

    I’ve always said why are there not any aleprechaunians? I don’t believe there are any leprechauns and I don’t hate them because, well, I really don’t believer there ARE ANY leprechauns.

    Larry

  • scots

    Yep, the Bible only acknowledges fools, God-haters and truth suppressors – it does not acknowledge the existence of atheists (cf Rom 1:18-32)

  • scots

    Yep, the Bible only acknowledges fools, God-haters and truth suppressors – it does not acknowledge the existence of atheists (cf Rom 1:18-32)

  • Larry

    Wilson once had a very funny line against John MacArthur at a conference I was at years ago. There was some frustration over some point a non-believer made, I think it was Tu Pak Chakra (spelling??), made to JM on a larger panel of various religions on the Larry King show. I can’t recall the exact issue but it was something about all the “other religions” up there and Christianity being just another voice among the many. Wilson was sitting next to MacArthur and they asked Wilson his thoughts. He gave this hilarious line basically dinging the whole situation, “If there are 12 clowns performing in a circus ring and I go down with them and begin quoting Shakespeare, I just become the 13th clown.”

    Larry

  • Larry

    Wilson once had a very funny line against John MacArthur at a conference I was at years ago. There was some frustration over some point a non-believer made, I think it was Tu Pak Chakra (spelling??), made to JM on a larger panel of various religions on the Larry King show. I can’t recall the exact issue but it was something about all the “other religions” up there and Christianity being just another voice among the many. Wilson was sitting next to MacArthur and they asked Wilson his thoughts. He gave this hilarious line basically dinging the whole situation, “If there are 12 clowns performing in a circus ring and I go down with them and begin quoting Shakespeare, I just become the 13th clown.”

    Larry

  • WebMonk

    scots –

    “The fool says in his heart there is no God.”

    I’m not sure the Bible doesn’t acknowledge that atheists exist, it just calls atheists fools.

  • WebMonk

    scots –

    “The fool says in his heart there is no God.”

    I’m not sure the Bible doesn’t acknowledge that atheists exist, it just calls atheists fools.

  • scots

    WebMonk:

    Before they became fools they suppressed the truth of God revealed in Creation Rom 1:18-22 – I think the basis for the Bible calling “atheists” fools is that their foolishness derives from disavowing what they know to be true, namely, that God exists and requires something of them
    (anyway, I think we agree that, in the end, they are fools, as we once were :) )

  • scots

    WebMonk:

    Before they became fools they suppressed the truth of God revealed in Creation Rom 1:18-22 – I think the basis for the Bible calling “atheists” fools is that their foolishness derives from disavowing what they know to be true, namely, that God exists and requires something of them
    (anyway, I think we agree that, in the end, they are fools, as we once were :) )

  • Rob Cartusciello

    Positively brilliant.

    In like manner, relativist arguments basically break down to:

    “There’s no such thing as truth, and that’s the truth!”

  • Rob Cartusciello

    Positively brilliant.

    In like manner, relativist arguments basically break down to:

    “There’s no such thing as truth, and that’s the truth!”

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Clever.

    It reminds me of the saying that hate isn’t the opposite of love, apathy is. Atheists seem to hate God, while agnostics (or the people who don’t even bother to label themselves) can’t be bothered to care one way or the other. Like Bryan said (@2), this puts atheists in the position of listening better to what you’re saying, because at some level, they care.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Clever.

    It reminds me of the saying that hate isn’t the opposite of love, apathy is. Atheists seem to hate God, while agnostics (or the people who don’t even bother to label themselves) can’t be bothered to care one way or the other. Like Bryan said (@2), this puts atheists in the position of listening better to what you’re saying, because at some level, they care.

  • http://puttingoutthefire.blogspot.com/ Frank Gillespie

    In the before times, in the long, long ago when I was an atheist “First, there is no god. Second, I hate him.” was my enthusiastic mantra. I felt it was my duty to be a better evangelist for unbelief than those who believed in something, anything. The new (or old it doesn’t matter) atheists are always on a mission to spead their belied system and I was no different. Thankfully my dear missus was strong against my relentless ridicule and attacks on Christ’s church and ignored much of my blabbering drivel.

  • http://puttingoutthefire.blogspot.com/ Frank Gillespie

    In the before times, in the long, long ago when I was an atheist “First, there is no god. Second, I hate him.” was my enthusiastic mantra. I felt it was my duty to be a better evangelist for unbelief than those who believed in something, anything. The new (or old it doesn’t matter) atheists are always on a mission to spead their belied system and I was no different. Thankfully my dear missus was strong against my relentless ridicule and attacks on Christ’s church and ignored much of my blabbering drivel.

  • http://beaumontcannonball.com Troy

    Atheists, like Christians and Muslims, are not all alike. Most atheists do *not* hate God, they simply understand that religion was developed as a means to explain (at the time) unexplainable phenomena. Most atheists are not even “evangelical” about atheism. Yes, some atheists are mean-spirited and hateful. However, the same can be said about a small percentage of Christians and Muslims. An overwhelming majority of Christians and Muslims…and atheists, are nice, honest people.

  • http://beaumontcannonball.com Troy

    Atheists, like Christians and Muslims, are not all alike. Most atheists do *not* hate God, they simply understand that religion was developed as a means to explain (at the time) unexplainable phenomena. Most atheists are not even “evangelical” about atheism. Yes, some atheists are mean-spirited and hateful. However, the same can be said about a small percentage of Christians and Muslims. An overwhelming majority of Christians and Muslims…and atheists, are nice, honest people.

  • Kelly

    C.S. Lewis said the same about his experience as an atheist. “I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with Him for creating a world.”

  • Kelly

    C.S. Lewis said the same about his experience as an atheist. “I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with Him for creating a world.”

  • Booklover

    Larry #5, why did Wilson have a line against John MacArthur?

  • Booklover

    Larry #5, why did Wilson have a line against John MacArthur?

  • http://www.eucharisteojourney.blogspot.com Sharaya Crossan

    Doug got that idea from C. S. Lewis, by the way.

    Oh now that I typed that I see Kelly already pointed that out…

  • http://www.eucharisteojourney.blogspot.com Sharaya Crossan

    Doug got that idea from C. S. Lewis, by the way.

    Oh now that I typed that I see Kelly already pointed that out…


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