War between the states?

OK, it’s not on the scale of 1862, but since California is threatening to boycott Arizona because of its new law  evicting illegal immigrants, Arizona is threatening to cut off California’s electricity.  Los Angeles gets 25% of its power from Arizona.

via Power Play Over Immigration Law | NBC Los Angeles.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Carl Vehse

    California is threatening to boycott Arizona

    That has its positive aspects, especially if politicians and illegal aliens from California boycott Arizona.

    As for LA being in the dark without Arizona-generated electricity, don’t worry; LA residents will just burn stores at night for lighting.

    BTW, on another positive note, AZ Gov. Jan Brewer is a Missouri Synod Lutheran.

  • Carl Vehse

    California is threatening to boycott Arizona

    That has its positive aspects, especially if politicians and illegal aliens from California boycott Arizona.

    As for LA being in the dark without Arizona-generated electricity, don’t worry; LA residents will just burn stores at night for lighting.

    BTW, on another positive note, AZ Gov. Jan Brewer is a Missouri Synod Lutheran.

  • Tom Hering

    Carl Vehse, do you mean those people of color in LA will burn stores at night for lighting? That it wasn’t serious racism that set off previous riots, and that these people burn things because it’s in their nature to do so?

  • Tom Hering

    Carl Vehse, do you mean those people of color in LA will burn stores at night for lighting? That it wasn’t serious racism that set off previous riots, and that these people burn things because it’s in their nature to do so?

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    It will be interesting to see how all this plays out. But California might start investing in power plants of its own.

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    It will be interesting to see how all this plays out. But California might start investing in power plants of its own.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com Bike Bubba

    25% of its electricity, and most of its….water. Are they going to boycott the Colorado River now?

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com Bike Bubba

    25% of its electricity, and most of its….water. Are they going to boycott the Colorado River now?

  • sg

    I thought Arizona was just taunting LA and daring them to conserve enough electricity to make using electricity generated in Arizona unnecessary. However, if immigration laws had been enforced, California would not need the extra electric in the first place.

  • sg

    I thought Arizona was just taunting LA and daring them to conserve enough electricity to make using electricity generated in Arizona unnecessary. However, if immigration laws had been enforced, California would not need the extra electric in the first place.

  • DonS

    Dr. Veith, the article you linked to is a bit misleading. If you read the portion of his letter quoted in the article, you will see that what he actually said was that he would be happy to renegotiate the contract with L.A. so that Arizona kept the power instead of transmitting it to L.A. I heard this Power Commission official in an interview and he confirmed that he wasn’t threatening to cut L.A. off. The fact of the matter was that he was reminding L.A. that they get their cheapest electrical power from Arizona, and this whole boycott idea is idiotic meddling in Arizona’s sovereign affairs.

    And he is absolutely right.

  • DonS

    Dr. Veith, the article you linked to is a bit misleading. If you read the portion of his letter quoted in the article, you will see that what he actually said was that he would be happy to renegotiate the contract with L.A. so that Arizona kept the power instead of transmitting it to L.A. I heard this Power Commission official in an interview and he confirmed that he wasn’t threatening to cut L.A. off. The fact of the matter was that he was reminding L.A. that they get their cheapest electrical power from Arizona, and this whole boycott idea is idiotic meddling in Arizona’s sovereign affairs.

    And he is absolutely right.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    To boycott an entity is to meddle in its sovereign affairs?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    To boycott an entity is to meddle in its sovereign affairs?

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    I don’t think Arizona could cut off the power to Los Angeles. There are contractual obligations, after all. But if L.A wants to boycott Arizona, it should quit pussy-footing around and go all the way by renegotiate those contracts, asking for them to be canceled. Let them put their money where their mouth is.

    For a local government to call a boycott against another state, I would think would at least be meddling in interstate commerce where it has no business doing so. That function is specifically reserved to the federal government by the constitution.

    I don’t suppose, however, that the federal government under the current administration is going to bother with asserting it’s exclusive constitutional authority by suing the City of L.A. (and others) in this case. Besides, it’s rather too busy right now asserting unconstitutional authority over the states and local jurisdictions…

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    I don’t think Arizona could cut off the power to Los Angeles. There are contractual obligations, after all. But if L.A wants to boycott Arizona, it should quit pussy-footing around and go all the way by renegotiate those contracts, asking for them to be canceled. Let them put their money where their mouth is.

    For a local government to call a boycott against another state, I would think would at least be meddling in interstate commerce where it has no business doing so. That function is specifically reserved to the federal government by the constitution.

    I don’t suppose, however, that the federal government under the current administration is going to bother with asserting it’s exclusive constitutional authority by suing the City of L.A. (and others) in this case. Besides, it’s rather too busy right now asserting unconstitutional authority over the states and local jurisdictions…

  • Stephanie

    I think his point is… if you are going to boycott a state on “principle” – then you should boycott everything you get from that state. Including things that you really need or want. Like water. And electricity. But it is a little silly to pretend to be all “we’re better than you are” when you are only willing to boycott the easy stuff. If you are really convinced that the law is wrongedy wrong wrong wrong, then stand by your convictions and boycott the whole state. Otherwise, I am going to assume that you are just grandstanding. [You do not help your case by admitting that you have never actually read the text of the law. And yes, I'm conflating there.]

    Frankly, I think the city of Los Angeles has more important things they could be doing other than obsessing over laws in a different state. They are free to declare a boycott. And individual citizens are free to participate or ignore it. Or join the “buycott” that a radio station my sister listens to is pushing. Either way, it’s going to get a big eyeroll from me because it is all just empty gestures.

  • Stephanie

    I think his point is… if you are going to boycott a state on “principle” – then you should boycott everything you get from that state. Including things that you really need or want. Like water. And electricity. But it is a little silly to pretend to be all “we’re better than you are” when you are only willing to boycott the easy stuff. If you are really convinced that the law is wrongedy wrong wrong wrong, then stand by your convictions and boycott the whole state. Otherwise, I am going to assume that you are just grandstanding. [You do not help your case by admitting that you have never actually read the text of the law. And yes, I'm conflating there.]

    Frankly, I think the city of Los Angeles has more important things they could be doing other than obsessing over laws in a different state. They are free to declare a boycott. And individual citizens are free to participate or ignore it. Or join the “buycott” that a radio station my sister listens to is pushing. Either way, it’s going to get a big eyeroll from me because it is all just empty gestures.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Stephanie (@8), to whom are you responding? And have you paid close attention to what parties are alleged to be involved in this would-be conflict?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Stephanie (@8), to whom are you responding? And have you paid close attention to what parties are alleged to be involved in this would-be conflict?

  • Tommy

    “Arizona’s sovereign affairs”? Did someone really say that?

  • Tommy

    “Arizona’s sovereign affairs”? Did someone really say that?

  • Bock

    Will the last Latino to leave the GOP turn out the lights…?
    Thank you.

  • Bock

    Will the last Latino to leave the GOP turn out the lights…?
    Thank you.

  • http://carolmsblog.blogspot.com/ C-Christian Soldier

    and some of us Californians are taking our vacation $$$ to Arizona!!!!
    C-CS

  • http://carolmsblog.blogspot.com/ C-Christian Soldier

    and some of us Californians are taking our vacation $$$ to Arizona!!!!
    C-CS

  • LAJ

    #12 Good for you!

  • LAJ

    #12 Good for you!

  • Stephanie

    tODD – to… the Internet in general I think. I pay only as much attn to this as I have to, but I live in CA and my family is all in the LA area so people send me links, IMs, etc.

    As for the parties, from what headlines I have been unable to avoid – the City of Los Angeles voted on / is planning to vote on a boycott. Several other Californian cities have voted on the same (San Francisco comes to mind). Not sure if the state as a whole is considering anything but if they are – please, my elected representatives, spend your time fixing our state budget. Obama and Holder have chimed in with opinions (Holder being the one who admitted he hadn’t read the law I believe – thus my “conflating”). As has the President of Mexico (since Mexico itself has such welcoming policies to immigrants from their own southern neighbors).

    And, I’m just tired of it all. I think there is exageration on both sides. It’s been compared to Naziism. It’s been claimed that it is no more intrusive than asking for license and registration which everyone who is pulled over for anything has to provide anyway. The whole conflict seems overblown and manufactured to me. Nor is it particularly helpful in fostering real dialog about legal vs. illegal immigration and the drug cartels and rising murder rates in states that border Mexico. Do I think the law will solve those problems? Probably not. Do I think AZ is going to try to round up everyone who has dark-ish skin? No.

    I hate politics. I usually like talking public policy. But this is politics. So my comment was to the Internet, and media writers, and everyone who is currently annoying me with this issue. Sort of a “put up or shut up” if you will.

  • Stephanie

    tODD – to… the Internet in general I think. I pay only as much attn to this as I have to, but I live in CA and my family is all in the LA area so people send me links, IMs, etc.

    As for the parties, from what headlines I have been unable to avoid – the City of Los Angeles voted on / is planning to vote on a boycott. Several other Californian cities have voted on the same (San Francisco comes to mind). Not sure if the state as a whole is considering anything but if they are – please, my elected representatives, spend your time fixing our state budget. Obama and Holder have chimed in with opinions (Holder being the one who admitted he hadn’t read the law I believe – thus my “conflating”). As has the President of Mexico (since Mexico itself has such welcoming policies to immigrants from their own southern neighbors).

    And, I’m just tired of it all. I think there is exageration on both sides. It’s been compared to Naziism. It’s been claimed that it is no more intrusive than asking for license and registration which everyone who is pulled over for anything has to provide anyway. The whole conflict seems overblown and manufactured to me. Nor is it particularly helpful in fostering real dialog about legal vs. illegal immigration and the drug cartels and rising murder rates in states that border Mexico. Do I think the law will solve those problems? Probably not. Do I think AZ is going to try to round up everyone who has dark-ish skin? No.

    I hate politics. I usually like talking public policy. But this is politics. So my comment was to the Internet, and media writers, and everyone who is currently annoying me with this issue. Sort of a “put up or shut up” if you will.


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