It’s nature to nurture

The conventional view in academia today is that sex is biological, but gender is a cultural construction.  That is, roles that are attached to being male or female are nothing more than the impositions of culture.  Well, I just observed my 15-month-old granddaughter picking up her first doll.   She had played with teddy bears and the like, but she never even saw a doll that looked like a baby.  This one wasn’t hers.  But she picked it up, cradled it, supported its head, and kissed it.  How did she know to do this?  No one taught her to.  She is not particularly receptive to culture at her age.  Her brother, at the ripe age of three, had no interest in that particular toy, even though he has some inchoate notions of babies from the existence of little sister.  But she knew immediately how to play mommy.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Mason

    My 4 year old granddaughter is also “all girl.” She always gravitates toward “girl” toys such as baby-dolls, makeup, frilly dresses, etc. She shows not the slightest interest in her 3 year old brothers’ trucks and cars. Her brother thinks dolls are to be kicked out of the way as he runs, jumps, throws things, rides toys, and hits and kicks balls. She likes to quietly preen and dress dolls while he cannot sit for a second if there is a truck or ball within sight. I know exactly what you are talking about. No one showed either of them what to play with or how, they “just know.”

  • Mason

    My 4 year old granddaughter is also “all girl.” She always gravitates toward “girl” toys such as baby-dolls, makeup, frilly dresses, etc. She shows not the slightest interest in her 3 year old brothers’ trucks and cars. Her brother thinks dolls are to be kicked out of the way as he runs, jumps, throws things, rides toys, and hits and kicks balls. She likes to quietly preen and dress dolls while he cannot sit for a second if there is a truck or ball within sight. I know exactly what you are talking about. No one showed either of them what to play with or how, they “just know.”

  • Joe

    My 9, 7 and 4 year olds have definitely demonstrated an inherent attachment to gender specific toys. We bought all kinds of toys for our 9 year old daughter. Dolls, trucks, toy guns, dress up clothes. She gravitated too all the girlie stuff.

    My 7 year old is the only boy and he grew up with his big sisters toys all around. And he would play with her dolls – he would make them fight and go to war, etc.

    My 4 year old is a very rough and tumble girl. She likes to hike, climb trees and play sports, but she never misses an opportunity to take care of her baby.

    I have a feeling that the 10 month old will also confirm what we all used to know.

  • Joe

    My 9, 7 and 4 year olds have definitely demonstrated an inherent attachment to gender specific toys. We bought all kinds of toys for our 9 year old daughter. Dolls, trucks, toy guns, dress up clothes. She gravitated too all the girlie stuff.

    My 7 year old is the only boy and he grew up with his big sisters toys all around. And he would play with her dolls – he would make them fight and go to war, etc.

    My 4 year old is a very rough and tumble girl. She likes to hike, climb trees and play sports, but she never misses an opportunity to take care of her baby.

    I have a feeling that the 10 month old will also confirm what we all used to know.

  • colliebear06

    A note from the animal kingdom: our female collie is going through a faux pregnancy with faux babies – she has adopted most of the soft dog toys in the house as her ‘puppies’. One toy in particular, a red rubber baseball with a bull’s face, has become her favorite. She grooms it, carries it around with her during the day and sleeps with it at night. This has all occurred suddenly within the last week and is likely to last about two more weeks from what I’ve learned.

    It is the result of hormones that came into play during her last heat cycle two months ago. No pregnancy resulted, but her body is mimicking one; the only thing missing is the puppies. It is quite fascinating, more so, because she is such a contrast to Zeke, our male collie who has absolutely no interest in these toys and exibits none of Gabby’s nesting and mothering behavior.

  • colliebear06

    A note from the animal kingdom: our female collie is going through a faux pregnancy with faux babies – she has adopted most of the soft dog toys in the house as her ‘puppies’. One toy in particular, a red rubber baseball with a bull’s face, has become her favorite. She grooms it, carries it around with her during the day and sleeps with it at night. This has all occurred suddenly within the last week and is likely to last about two more weeks from what I’ve learned.

    It is the result of hormones that came into play during her last heat cycle two months ago. No pregnancy resulted, but her body is mimicking one; the only thing missing is the puppies. It is quite fascinating, more so, because she is such a contrast to Zeke, our male collie who has absolutely no interest in these toys and exibits none of Gabby’s nesting and mothering behavior.

  • http://lutherama.blogspot.com Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    No offense, but she has been taught, just not in a formal sense. She has spent the past 15 months watching what mommy does, she has been learning all that time. However, I believe there is more than cultural conditioning to gender roles. We were created for a specific purpose and that purpose still peeks out in spite of our sin.

    Toy preference is a poor judge of determining gender roles. Whether we mean to or not we teach our kids which toys to prefer. If we want to go off purely anecdotal evidence, my 4 year old daughter plays with dolls (even nursing them like mommy) and can turn most objects into a gun ( a behavior commonly associated with boys). It is simply a result of the environment she is in; she watches mommy take care of little sister and wants to be like her, at the same time she has seen myself play some of my videogames and go to the gun range.

  • http://lutherama.blogspot.com Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    No offense, but she has been taught, just not in a formal sense. She has spent the past 15 months watching what mommy does, she has been learning all that time. However, I believe there is more than cultural conditioning to gender roles. We were created for a specific purpose and that purpose still peeks out in spite of our sin.

    Toy preference is a poor judge of determining gender roles. Whether we mean to or not we teach our kids which toys to prefer. If we want to go off purely anecdotal evidence, my 4 year old daughter plays with dolls (even nursing them like mommy) and can turn most objects into a gun ( a behavior commonly associated with boys). It is simply a result of the environment she is in; she watches mommy take care of little sister and wants to be like her, at the same time she has seen myself play some of my videogames and go to the gun range.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com Bike Bubba

    Yes, she’s been watching, “Dr.”, but keep in mind that sons watch the exact same thing. Somehow the girl identifies with feminine roles for the most part, the boy with the masculine.

    One example; my son is simply drawn to tools. Never told him to do that, it’s just how he works.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com Bike Bubba

    Yes, she’s been watching, “Dr.”, but keep in mind that sons watch the exact same thing. Somehow the girl identifies with feminine roles for the most part, the boy with the masculine.

    One example; my son is simply drawn to tools. Never told him to do that, it’s just how he works.

  • http://www.geneveith.com Gene Veith

    Dr. Luther, I know what you are saying. But her brother watched and experienced the same thing that mommy does. The same toy was in front of him. (The doll belonged to a different family.) Her brother didn’t immediately take up this mothering behavior, but the 15 month old little girl did.

  • http://www.geneveith.com Gene Veith

    Dr. Luther, I know what you are saying. But her brother watched and experienced the same thing that mommy does. The same toy was in front of him. (The doll belonged to a different family.) Her brother didn’t immediately take up this mothering behavior, but the 15 month old little girl did.

  • http://thefragrantharbor.blogspot.com Catherine

    I’m also going to play the devil’s advocate here, and go one step further. She’s been watching, as has her brother, but she identifies with her mother being female. Also, though people don’t realize it, but even at such a young age outwards influences can affect a child. It’s remarkable, really.

    On a more personal note, I do believe “gender” differences can be ingrained. The nature vs. nurture question is incredibly complicated and I just spent and entire semester studying that very question (it drove me mad, because my interest is in abnormal and social psychology, not developmental). Any psychologist worth his or her salt would say “of course ‘gender’ is a social construct!” but if you ask them where personality traits and the self’s concept of their gender, they’d kind of stammer something about “nature vs. nurture” and how the answer is our personalities come from both biology and environmnet (and the amount of twin studies I had to study was staggering and tiring).

  • http://thefragrantharbor.blogspot.com Catherine

    I’m also going to play the devil’s advocate here, and go one step further. She’s been watching, as has her brother, but she identifies with her mother being female. Also, though people don’t realize it, but even at such a young age outwards influences can affect a child. It’s remarkable, really.

    On a more personal note, I do believe “gender” differences can be ingrained. The nature vs. nurture question is incredibly complicated and I just spent and entire semester studying that very question (it drove me mad, because my interest is in abnormal and social psychology, not developmental). Any psychologist worth his or her salt would say “of course ‘gender’ is a social construct!” but if you ask them where personality traits and the self’s concept of their gender, they’d kind of stammer something about “nature vs. nurture” and how the answer is our personalities come from both biology and environmnet (and the amount of twin studies I had to study was staggering and tiring).

  • http://thefragrantharbor.blogspot.com Catherine

    *’an’, not ‘and’
    *environment. I must learn to spell check my posts, sheesh!

  • http://thefragrantharbor.blogspot.com Catherine

    *’an’, not ‘and’
    *environment. I must learn to spell check my posts, sheesh!

  • http://lutherama.blogspot.com Dr. Luther in 21st Century

    I think Catherine is on to something with relating to gender identification. I wouldn’t be surprised that if a boy picked up the doll, it would suddenly become a soldier or ninja assassin (aka action figure).

    Neither am I discounting nature, in my statement. I honestly believe that is not so much nature vs nurture as it is nature and nurture.

  • http://lutherama.blogspot.com Dr. Luther in 21st Century

    I think Catherine is on to something with relating to gender identification. I wouldn’t be surprised that if a boy picked up the doll, it would suddenly become a soldier or ninja assassin (aka action figure).

    Neither am I discounting nature, in my statement. I honestly believe that is not so much nature vs nurture as it is nature and nurture.

  • Dan Kempin

    I think the pertinent questions here are: Was the doll manufactured in China, and did it have toxic compounds?

    The follow up discussion, depending on your political persuasion, should be:
    -How does this reflect the incompetence of president Obama, or
    -How is it really the fault of George W. Bush?

    Discuss . . .

    (Just a moment of spontaneous levity. I will try not to let it happen again.)

  • Dan Kempin

    I think the pertinent questions here are: Was the doll manufactured in China, and did it have toxic compounds?

    The follow up discussion, depending on your political persuasion, should be:
    -How does this reflect the incompetence of president Obama, or
    -How is it really the fault of George W. Bush?

    Discuss . . .

    (Just a moment of spontaneous levity. I will try not to let it happen again.)

  • fws

    This is all very cool.

    It is cool because like most “evidence” of this sort, it usually reinforces what we already “know”.

    It simply must be true that we are hardwired in terms of our gender orientation. This is all proof of that.

    So the same thing is true for gays, lesbians and transgenders right? The difference is that puppy love looks , for gay children, ahem, a tad bit more socially problematic for some.

    I liked guns and trucks as a small child by the way. To be a gay man is sooooo not wanting to be female. Quite to the contrary.

  • fws

    This is all very cool.

    It is cool because like most “evidence” of this sort, it usually reinforces what we already “know”.

    It simply must be true that we are hardwired in terms of our gender orientation. This is all proof of that.

    So the same thing is true for gays, lesbians and transgenders right? The difference is that puppy love looks , for gay children, ahem, a tad bit more socially problematic for some.

    I liked guns and trucks as a small child by the way. To be a gay man is sooooo not wanting to be female. Quite to the contrary.

  • J

    http://scienceblog.com/35610/gay-mens-bilateral-brains-better-at-remembering-faces-york-u-study/

    fws@11. Check out the above link; you appear to be right. Excerpt below:

    TORONTO, June 22, 2010 — Gay men can recall familiar faces faster and more accurately than their heterosexual counterparts because, like women, they use both sides of their brains, according to a new study by York University researchers.

    The study, published in the journal, Laterality: Asymmetries of Body, Brain and Cognition, examined the influence of gender, sexual orientation and whether we’re right-or-left-handed on our ability to recognize faces. It found that when memorizing and discriminating between faces, homosexual men show patterns of bilaterality — the usage of both sides of the brain — similar to heterosexual women. Heterosexual men tend to favour the right hemisphere for such tasks.

  • J

    http://scienceblog.com/35610/gay-mens-bilateral-brains-better-at-remembering-faces-york-u-study/

    fws@11. Check out the above link; you appear to be right. Excerpt below:

    TORONTO, June 22, 2010 — Gay men can recall familiar faces faster and more accurately than their heterosexual counterparts because, like women, they use both sides of their brains, according to a new study by York University researchers.

    The study, published in the journal, Laterality: Asymmetries of Body, Brain and Cognition, examined the influence of gender, sexual orientation and whether we’re right-or-left-handed on our ability to recognize faces. It found that when memorizing and discriminating between faces, homosexual men show patterns of bilaterality — the usage of both sides of the brain — similar to heterosexual women. Heterosexual men tend to favour the right hemisphere for such tasks.

  • fws

    J @ 12

    J, I want to be clear that this all falls into the category of “interesting”, “curiosity”.

    Is the earth the center of the universe or not? It doesn´t really affect me in my day to day life. So i really don´t care about the question honestly except for my natural curiosity in a hobby sorta way. I accept that this is not true merely because it seems that m0st of the world does not accept this proposition as true, and because also there are certain evidences that I have not rigorously pursued but which lend support to the falsity of the proposition. If it had a more urgent and immediate bearing on my life, I would pay more attention.

    This kind of stuff falls into that category for me. It won´t “prove” anything about my existence or whatever.

    I have to deal with the facts of my existence as I know them. And how I know those facts could be entirely wrong. But some of those perceived facts have proven to be rather stubborn ones. I fought the idea that I was gay for most of my life.

    I finally decided that what is today is for today. God can change that at any moment. or not. but I do know that God would have me to deal each day with where he has placed me in my various vocations. One of those happens to be that I am a gay man who is christian and Lutheran. So there are people I can serve with all that. Acceptance is such an easier way to deal with life.

    Acceptance does not mean approval or disapproval. It means dealing with the hand one has been dealt and only that. And it means , for a christian, knowing that God has fully accepted me in my baptism. It is called honesty. Believers in the Way , the Truth and the Life seem to have a need to be honest.

  • fws

    J @ 12

    J, I want to be clear that this all falls into the category of “interesting”, “curiosity”.

    Is the earth the center of the universe or not? It doesn´t really affect me in my day to day life. So i really don´t care about the question honestly except for my natural curiosity in a hobby sorta way. I accept that this is not true merely because it seems that m0st of the world does not accept this proposition as true, and because also there are certain evidences that I have not rigorously pursued but which lend support to the falsity of the proposition. If it had a more urgent and immediate bearing on my life, I would pay more attention.

    This kind of stuff falls into that category for me. It won´t “prove” anything about my existence or whatever.

    I have to deal with the facts of my existence as I know them. And how I know those facts could be entirely wrong. But some of those perceived facts have proven to be rather stubborn ones. I fought the idea that I was gay for most of my life.

    I finally decided that what is today is for today. God can change that at any moment. or not. but I do know that God would have me to deal each day with where he has placed me in my various vocations. One of those happens to be that I am a gay man who is christian and Lutheran. So there are people I can serve with all that. Acceptance is such an easier way to deal with life.

    Acceptance does not mean approval or disapproval. It means dealing with the hand one has been dealt and only that. And it means , for a christian, knowing that God has fully accepted me in my baptism. It is called honesty. Believers in the Way , the Truth and the Life seem to have a need to be honest.

  • Peter Leavitt

    Despite the corrosive effort of the radical feminists and the soft men who follow them, boys will be boys and given proper formation eventually they will become men. The best outfit to facilitate this transition is the U..S. Marines. At the school level the best influence is rigorous athletics.

  • Peter Leavitt

    Despite the corrosive effort of the radical feminists and the soft men who follow them, boys will be boys and given proper formation eventually they will become men. The best outfit to facilitate this transition is the U..S. Marines. At the school level the best influence is rigorous athletics.

  • J

    Leavitt, you may want to read about Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, the first American to be wounded in war in Iraq. On March 21, 2003 Alva stepped on a landmine, sustaining heavy injuries to his leg. It couldn’t be saved and was amputated. Alva was medically discharged and awarded a Purple Heart.

    http://www.hrc.org/alva/

  • J

    Leavitt, you may want to read about Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, the first American to be wounded in war in Iraq. On March 21, 2003 Alva stepped on a landmine, sustaining heavy injuries to his leg. It couldn’t be saved and was amputated. Alva was medically discharged and awarded a Purple Heart.

    http://www.hrc.org/alva/

  • fws

    Peter @14

    great advice peter! I am told that I turned out pretty well following that advice! thanks!

  • fws

    Peter @14

    great advice peter! I am told that I turned out pretty well following that advice! thanks!

  • Tom Hering

    Peter @ 14, don’t forget that the best place to continue the masculine project – after school and the military – seems to be Hardee’s. Where (according to their commercials) guys don’t bake, cry too often, or order grilled-cheese sandwiches in front of other guys. They just get obese and have heart attacks. Ah, manliness!

  • Tom Hering

    Peter @ 14, don’t forget that the best place to continue the masculine project – after school and the military – seems to be Hardee’s. Where (according to their commercials) guys don’t bake, cry too often, or order grilled-cheese sandwiches in front of other guys. They just get obese and have heart attacks. Ah, manliness!

  • Peter Leavitt

    Tom, this weekend I watched my forty-seven year old son along with hundreds of other men and women do a triathlon including a 1.2 mile swim, fifty-three mile bike ride, and a thirteen-mile run. He played football in school and following family tradition was once a Marine officer. He and I don’t know what the Hell Hardees is.

  • Peter Leavitt

    Tom, this weekend I watched my forty-seven year old son along with hundreds of other men and women do a triathlon including a 1.2 mile swim, fifty-three mile bike ride, and a thirteen-mile run. He played football in school and following family tradition was once a Marine officer. He and I don’t know what the Hell Hardees is.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Tom (@17), according to Wikipedia, there are no Hardee’s (or, for that matter, Carl’s’s Jr., however one might pluralize that editorially difficult name) in Massachusetts. If I am not mistaken, this likely says something about the moral fortitude of Massachusettians.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Tom (@17), according to Wikipedia, there are no Hardee’s (or, for that matter, Carl’s’s Jr., however one might pluralize that editorially difficult name) in Massachusetts. If I am not mistaken, this likely says something about the moral fortitude of Massachusettians.

  • Tom Hering

    Sorry for the confusion, Peter. tODD @ 19, thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware that the #4 burger chain hadn’t yet extended it’s realm to the lands beyond our great Midwestern Civilization.

  • Tom Hering

    Sorry for the confusion, Peter. tODD @ 19, thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware that the #4 burger chain hadn’t yet extended it’s realm to the lands beyond our great Midwestern Civilization.

  • Mark Veenman

    Ho man. What do I think now. I’m straight. I’m proud to be straight. I eschewed the drums and hockey and latched onto piano and french horn and high school choir. I have 4 kids and one on the way. How isch disch poshibull?

  • Mark Veenman

    Ho man. What do I think now. I’m straight. I’m proud to be straight. I eschewed the drums and hockey and latched onto piano and french horn and high school choir. I have 4 kids and one on the way. How isch disch poshibull?

  • http://forestboar.wordpress.com Lincoln Winter

    We had the same thing in reverse. My first was a girl. When her little brother was old enough to play with toys, we didn’t have any boy-toys around. He picked up her Little People mini-van (the only toy with wheels) and carried it around the house until Christmas came and he got his own toys. He didn’t know what to do with it, but he knew he liked wheels, not dolls.

  • http://forestboar.wordpress.com Lincoln Winter

    We had the same thing in reverse. My first was a girl. When her little brother was old enough to play with toys, we didn’t have any boy-toys around. He picked up her Little People mini-van (the only toy with wheels) and carried it around the house until Christmas came and he got his own toys. He didn’t know what to do with it, but he knew he liked wheels, not dolls.

  • Paul of Alexandria

    Dr. Luther in the 21st Century: She has spent the past 15 months watching what mommy does
    So does a baby boy, of course. My wife works in a preschool. She has many times observed such as the following: Two children, one boy, one girl, of approximately the same age, both playing with the toy dinosaurs. The girl takes a large one and a small one; the large one becomes “mommy dinosaur”, the smaller the baby. With the boy, the larger immediately eats the smaller.

    Women and men are wired different, mentally and physiologically. They both have different roles to play in raising children, and it is very difficult for each to assume the other’s role. My wife will put up with things from the kids that would drive me insane; I will let them do things that would have her grinding her teeth to powder (e.g. driving practice). This, btw, is why despite society’s wishes to the contrary we’ll never see as many female engineers as male (or as many male nurses as female), and why women in combat positions are a really, really bad idea.

    See also many and various articles at The Ruth Institute
    and
    The National Organization for Marriage

  • Paul of Alexandria

    Dr. Luther in the 21st Century: She has spent the past 15 months watching what mommy does
    So does a baby boy, of course. My wife works in a preschool. She has many times observed such as the following: Two children, one boy, one girl, of approximately the same age, both playing with the toy dinosaurs. The girl takes a large one and a small one; the large one becomes “mommy dinosaur”, the smaller the baby. With the boy, the larger immediately eats the smaller.

    Women and men are wired different, mentally and physiologically. They both have different roles to play in raising children, and it is very difficult for each to assume the other’s role. My wife will put up with things from the kids that would drive me insane; I will let them do things that would have her grinding her teeth to powder (e.g. driving practice). This, btw, is why despite society’s wishes to the contrary we’ll never see as many female engineers as male (or as many male nurses as female), and why women in combat positions are a really, really bad idea.

    See also many and various articles at The Ruth Institute
    and
    The National Organization for Marriage

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  • Paul of Alexandria

    fws: So the same thing is true for gays, lesbians and transgenders right? The difference is that puppy love looks , for gay children, ahem, a tad bit more socially problematic for some.

    Actually, it’s a different, although related, point. One of the reasons for forbidding homosexual behavior (whether it is due to nature or nurture) is because it damages the dual roles of the sexes in society and the makeup of the family.

  • Paul of Alexandria

    fws: So the same thing is true for gays, lesbians and transgenders right? The difference is that puppy love looks , for gay children, ahem, a tad bit more socially problematic for some.

    Actually, it’s a different, although related, point. One of the reasons for forbidding homosexual behavior (whether it is due to nature or nurture) is because it damages the dual roles of the sexes in society and the makeup of the family.

  • Paul of Alexandria

    Mark Veenman: How isch disch poshibull?
    It’s not – you’re a figment of the imagination. (What do your choices of sports and instruments have to do with anything?)

  • Paul of Alexandria

    Mark Veenman: How isch disch poshibull?
    It’s not – you’re a figment of the imagination. (What do your choices of sports and instruments have to do with anything?)

  • fws

    http://www.amazon.com/Life-Pink-Vie-Rose-All-regions/dp/B000N4I424/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1277328498&sr=1-3-fkmr0

    this is a great film on early childhood development. Imagine if one of your children had turned out like this child. what would you have done differently?

  • fws

    http://www.amazon.com/Life-Pink-Vie-Rose-All-regions/dp/B000N4I424/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1277328498&sr=1-3-fkmr0

    this is a great film on early childhood development. Imagine if one of your children had turned out like this child. what would you have done differently?

  • fws

    Paul @24

    “Actually, it’s a different, although related, point.

    One of the reasons for forbidding homosexual behavior (whether it is due to nature or nurture) is because it damages the dual roles of the sexes in society and the makeup of the family.”

    First Question:
    How? Please share brother Paul.

    Second Question:
    So what would you mean by “homosexual behavior” here? what would that look like?
    Since we are talking about early childhood development here, can I assume that “homosexual behavior” excludes sex acts in our context? How is the behavior of a 7 year old going to do such damage?

  • fws

    Paul @24

    “Actually, it’s a different, although related, point.

    One of the reasons for forbidding homosexual behavior (whether it is due to nature or nurture) is because it damages the dual roles of the sexes in society and the makeup of the family.”

    First Question:
    How? Please share brother Paul.

    Second Question:
    So what would you mean by “homosexual behavior” here? what would that look like?
    Since we are talking about early childhood development here, can I assume that “homosexual behavior” excludes sex acts in our context? How is the behavior of a 7 year old going to do such damage?

  • fws

    fws

    I miss hardees. Just for the record.

    And I always preferred trucks over dolls. Does that mean anything at all I should be troubled about in my development as a homosexual child, as in, was it abnormal in my case?

  • fws

    fws

    I miss hardees. Just for the record.

    And I always preferred trucks over dolls. Does that mean anything at all I should be troubled about in my development as a homosexual child, as in, was it abnormal in my case?

  • Paul of Alexandria

    fws:
    First Question:
    How? Please share brother Paul.

    See the current controversy over “homosexual marriage”. Two women or two men are simply not capable of doing the job properly. See articles at the Ruth Institute.

    Second Question:
    So what would you mean by “homosexual behavior” here? what would that look like?

    First of all, your comment re a 7 year old is specious, since 7 year olds shouldn’t be engaged in sexual behavior at all. I was referring to adult behavior, obviously. On the subject, though, pedophilia does seem to be rampant in and promoted by the homosexual community (NAMBLA comes to mind).

  • Paul of Alexandria

    fws:
    First Question:
    How? Please share brother Paul.

    See the current controversy over “homosexual marriage”. Two women or two men are simply not capable of doing the job properly. See articles at the Ruth Institute.

    Second Question:
    So what would you mean by “homosexual behavior” here? what would that look like?

    First of all, your comment re a 7 year old is specious, since 7 year olds shouldn’t be engaged in sexual behavior at all. I was referring to adult behavior, obviously. On the subject, though, pedophilia does seem to be rampant in and promoted by the homosexual community (NAMBLA comes to mind).

  • Paul of Alexandria

    For some additional interesting thoughts on the subject see the Father’s Day interviews at Issues, Etc. , particularly the “Best of” section on June 21 and “Fatherhood and Atheism with Dr. Paul Vitz”. He makes an excellent case that fathers and mothers have different roles in raising children.

  • Paul of Alexandria

    For some additional interesting thoughts on the subject see the Father’s Day interviews at Issues, Etc. , particularly the “Best of” section on June 21 and “Fatherhood and Atheism with Dr. Paul Vitz”. He makes an excellent case that fathers and mothers have different roles in raising children.

  • Paul of Alexandria

    fws:
    … I should be troubled about in my development as a homosexual child, as in, was it abnormal in my case?
    You should ask yourself
    1) what triggered this behavior (is it really ingrained, or the result of some trauma) and
    2) why do you think that the behavior (not the inclinations, but their physical manifestation) is acceptable?

  • Paul of Alexandria

    fws:
    … I should be troubled about in my development as a homosexual child, as in, was it abnormal in my case?
    You should ask yourself
    1) what triggered this behavior (is it really ingrained, or the result of some trauma) and
    2) why do you think that the behavior (not the inclinations, but their physical manifestation) is acceptable?

  • fws

    Paul @29

    reread my two questions in 27 please :) You didn´t read them as they were written. especially the second question. Your answer says you did not understand that second question at all.

    don´t send us to another site. summarize your own answer to my first question if you would please. You made an earlier assertion. I am asking for you for more detail is all brother.

  • fws

    Paul @29

    reread my two questions in 27 please :) You didn´t read them as they were written. especially the second question. Your answer says you did not understand that second question at all.

    don´t send us to another site. summarize your own answer to my first question if you would please. You made an earlier assertion. I am asking for you for more detail is all brother.


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