The insanity charge

Kyle-Anne Shiver notes another trend in today’s political rhetoric from the left:  Accusing those they disagree with of being insane.  We have Jon Stewart’s upcoming “Restoring Sanity” rally, the NPR exec who said before she fired him that  Juan Williams should just confide his fear of Muslims to his psychiatrist, the psychoanalyzing of the President about  lizard-brained voters, and all kinds of comments about tea-party populists.  She notes:

The Soviets were infamous for declaring any vocal dissident “insane,” putting them in psychiatric “hospitals,” turning the shock therapy machines to full voltage, and throwing away the keys.

via Pajamas Media » Dems Playing Soviet-Style Insanity Card.

When I was in Estonia, I met a poet who had just been released from a mental institution where he had been consigned for writing a poem critical of communism.   Under Marxist theory, art and literature reflect the economic superstructure of the society.  Under a socialist society, a poet who do does not reflect the reality of socialism must therefore be disconnected from reality.  Therefore, insane.

It isn’t that the culture czars were simply trying to shut up a critic.  They really did think he was insane, according to their worldview and their definition of insanity.  (We even had that here in a comment in our discussion of the president’s remark about his opponents not being rational or “scientific” because when they are afraid a different part of the brain takes over.  The commenter argued essentially that  conservatives really ARE irrational.)

I’m not saying that these silly political slams are equivalent to the Soviet persecution of artists. Just that this is dangerous rhetoric to be throwing around.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • fws

    “dangerous”? Depends on one´s point of view eh?

  • fws

    “dangerous”? Depends on one´s point of view eh?

  • Tom Hering

    From the linked article:

    “… Obama would seem to be throwing the entire weight of the U.S. government into this old Soviet tactical slander against dissidents.”

    Hopefully, we’re still far removed from the day when an American president will use his power to round up Tea Partiers and have them thrown into psychiatric hospitals for their treatment and reeducation. But anyone with a cautious eye towards state power ought to be trembling a bit at the awful similarities here.”

    “… all of these seemingly coordinated efforts by Democrats and their press minions …”

    “… it may not all end in fun and games …”

    Whew! Is the author insane? Nah. Dipping her toe in the murky waters of paranoia? Undeniably. But I will give her credit for not suggesting – as others have – that the Obama administration is secretly building concentration camps.

    Then again, she might be saving that for a follow-up article.

  • Tom Hering

    From the linked article:

    “… Obama would seem to be throwing the entire weight of the U.S. government into this old Soviet tactical slander against dissidents.”

    Hopefully, we’re still far removed from the day when an American president will use his power to round up Tea Partiers and have them thrown into psychiatric hospitals for their treatment and reeducation. But anyone with a cautious eye towards state power ought to be trembling a bit at the awful similarities here.”

    “… all of these seemingly coordinated efforts by Democrats and their press minions …”

    “… it may not all end in fun and games …”

    Whew! Is the author insane? Nah. Dipping her toe in the murky waters of paranoia? Undeniably. But I will give her credit for not suggesting – as others have – that the Obama administration is secretly building concentration camps.

    Then again, she might be saving that for a follow-up article.

  • fws

    That´s it! That´s more than I can take. Obama and the liberals are the ones who are insane. And very very dangerous. why. … I am going to move to another country the liberals are getting to be so very dangerous. especially that Jon stewart. I am going to move to….

    um.. aw… forgot. I already DID move out of the country.

    Let me know please when we have sane and intelligent people like sarah palin in power where they belong. Not to mention that woman in delaware who is running as a t party candidate a little confused about the 1st amendment and separation of church and state and that woman in nevada running against the speaker of the house who felt that a roomful of latino youth looked awfully chinese just like she did , being called the first asian candidate in nevada.

    Jon stewart needs the new material that would all provide us. He is looking tired. I agree.

  • fws

    That´s it! That´s more than I can take. Obama and the liberals are the ones who are insane. And very very dangerous. why. … I am going to move to another country the liberals are getting to be so very dangerous. especially that Jon stewart. I am going to move to….

    um.. aw… forgot. I already DID move out of the country.

    Let me know please when we have sane and intelligent people like sarah palin in power where they belong. Not to mention that woman in delaware who is running as a t party candidate a little confused about the 1st amendment and separation of church and state and that woman in nevada running against the speaker of the house who felt that a roomful of latino youth looked awfully chinese just like she did , being called the first asian candidate in nevada.

    Jon stewart needs the new material that would all provide us. He is looking tired. I agree.

  • Tom Hering

    Frank, you can be followed to another country. And how can you be sure you haven’t been, eh? Seen anyone you don’t know in your neighborhood lately? Enough said.

  • Tom Hering

    Frank, you can be followed to another country. And how can you be sure you haven’t been, eh? Seen anyone you don’t know in your neighborhood lately? Enough said.

  • fws

    tom @ 4

    Dang. where is that dunkin donuts coffee when I really need it…

  • fws

    tom @ 4

    Dang. where is that dunkin donuts coffee when I really need it…

  • Carl Vehse

    … the psychoanalyzing of the President about lizard-brained voters

    And then there’s Barry’s niggardly view on bipartisanship:

    “We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”

  • Carl Vehse

    … the psychoanalyzing of the President about lizard-brained voters

    And then there’s Barry’s niggardly view on bipartisanship:

    “We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”

  • collie

    Shiver notes that President Obama will go on Stewart’s show to promote the event. It just seems so undignified. Yes, I know, Richard Nixon went on Laugh-In and said, “Sock it to me”. That was just goofy.

    I wish politicians, once elected would stay off the talk shows, even the more mainstream ones like Leno. That goes for talk radio too. If they want to communicate directly to their constituents, or I should say really listen to them, I like the townhall format that allows for unedited questions to be asked.

    As for the insanity charge, it’s just a tactic used by someone who wants to control others and keep them quiet. A lot of times it works. We’ll see, but I don’t think the voters upset with Obama’s policies are going to fall for it.

  • collie

    Shiver notes that President Obama will go on Stewart’s show to promote the event. It just seems so undignified. Yes, I know, Richard Nixon went on Laugh-In and said, “Sock it to me”. That was just goofy.

    I wish politicians, once elected would stay off the talk shows, even the more mainstream ones like Leno. That goes for talk radio too. If they want to communicate directly to their constituents, or I should say really listen to them, I like the townhall format that allows for unedited questions to be asked.

    As for the insanity charge, it’s just a tactic used by someone who wants to control others and keep them quiet. A lot of times it works. We’ll see, but I don’t think the voters upset with Obama’s policies are going to fall for it.

  • Kirk

    So, Liberals are like Soviets for suggesting that those that oppose them are insane? Isn’t that the same logical fallacy, reductio ad absurdium? Isn’t it also worth nothing that many political discussion seems to take on this tone (or start off with it)? I’ve seen an awful lot of signs featuring Obama with a Hitler mustache.

    Frankly, reducing your opponent via ad hominem is disingenuous regardless of which side of the political spectrum you stand on. It’s stupid to compare someone to Hitler because it doesn’t address the root cause of your disagreement with that person. Similarly, it’s ridiculous to simply call an opponent “crazy” because it dismisses their argument without actually offering a valid counter. It’s far too prevalent in America and it’s absolutely the most frustrating thing in the world. It’s why I hate pundits. It’s just reducing your opponents to quips, sound bites and crass caricatures so that you can quickly refute the straw man that you’ve constructed and smugly enjoy your moral superiority.

  • Kirk

    So, Liberals are like Soviets for suggesting that those that oppose them are insane? Isn’t that the same logical fallacy, reductio ad absurdium? Isn’t it also worth nothing that many political discussion seems to take on this tone (or start off with it)? I’ve seen an awful lot of signs featuring Obama with a Hitler mustache.

    Frankly, reducing your opponent via ad hominem is disingenuous regardless of which side of the political spectrum you stand on. It’s stupid to compare someone to Hitler because it doesn’t address the root cause of your disagreement with that person. Similarly, it’s ridiculous to simply call an opponent “crazy” because it dismisses their argument without actually offering a valid counter. It’s far too prevalent in America and it’s absolutely the most frustrating thing in the world. It’s why I hate pundits. It’s just reducing your opponents to quips, sound bites and crass caricatures so that you can quickly refute the straw man that you’ve constructed and smugly enjoy your moral superiority.

  • Carl Vehse

    I’ve seen an awful lot of signs featuring Obama with a Hitler mustache.

    A few years ago there were an awful lot of signs featuring George Bush as Hitler.

    And then there’re always signs featuring Joe Biden as… Joe Biden.

  • Carl Vehse

    I’ve seen an awful lot of signs featuring Obama with a Hitler mustache.

    A few years ago there were an awful lot of signs featuring George Bush as Hitler.

    And then there’re always signs featuring Joe Biden as… Joe Biden.

  • Tom Hering

    Yahoo! News, October 25: “[Obama] said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, ‘we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.’”

    Niggardly? Not at all. (I’ll leave your questionable phonetics aside, Vehse.) The President is simply saying, “They drove the car off the road. And we’ll generously allow them in the car again. But no more steering wheel.”

  • Tom Hering

    Yahoo! News, October 25: “[Obama] said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, ‘we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.’”

    Niggardly? Not at all. (I’ll leave your questionable phonetics aside, Vehse.) The President is simply saying, “They drove the car off the road. And we’ll generously allow them in the car again. But no more steering wheel.”

  • Kirk

    @9

    Absolutely, and it was as pointless then as it is now. “The other guys did it, too” is no excuse for degrading political dialogue with absurd guilt by associations. If you disagree with someone, you should know why and at least make a reasonable attempt at articulating yourself.

  • Kirk

    @9

    Absolutely, and it was as pointless then as it is now. “The other guys did it, too” is no excuse for degrading political dialogue with absurd guilt by associations. If you disagree with someone, you should know why and at least make a reasonable attempt at articulating yourself.

  • Tom Hering

    Yeah, what was the point of portraying Bush as Hitler? It was enough to portray Bush as … Bush.

  • Tom Hering

    Yeah, what was the point of portraying Bush as Hitler? It was enough to portray Bush as … Bush.

  • Carl Vehse

    …no excuse for degrading political dialogue with absurd guilt by associations

    It’s not so absurd in the context of comparing Barry’s support of genocidal murder by abortion and Adolph’s support for genocidal murder in concentration camps.

    OTOH, in the context of job experience in the private sector, Adoph had some experience working as a painter, so there can be no guilt by association with Barry there.

  • Carl Vehse

    …no excuse for degrading political dialogue with absurd guilt by associations

    It’s not so absurd in the context of comparing Barry’s support of genocidal murder by abortion and Adolph’s support for genocidal murder in concentration camps.

    OTOH, in the context of job experience in the private sector, Adoph had some experience working as a painter, so there can be no guilt by association with Barry there.

  • Carl Vehse

    In addition to his denigration of voters, here’s yet another example of Barry Soetoro’s typical lack of taste –

    At a $7,500-per-person fundraising dinner in Providence, RI, wealthy elitists were treated to a 20-minute spiel by Barry, who then left before the dinner was served. And this was no “rubber-chicken meal” but a dinner prepared, in anticipation of the honor of serving the President, by George Germon and Johanne Killeen, chef/owners of the noted Al Forno Restaurant in Providence.

    So what were Barry’s departing words before the fundraiser attendees began to dine on the Al Forno chefs’ exquisitely prepared cuisine?

    “I’ve got to go home to tuck in the girls and walk the dog and scoop the poop.”

    Yummmm!

  • Carl Vehse

    In addition to his denigration of voters, here’s yet another example of Barry Soetoro’s typical lack of taste –

    At a $7,500-per-person fundraising dinner in Providence, RI, wealthy elitists were treated to a 20-minute spiel by Barry, who then left before the dinner was served. And this was no “rubber-chicken meal” but a dinner prepared, in anticipation of the honor of serving the President, by George Germon and Johanne Killeen, chef/owners of the noted Al Forno Restaurant in Providence.

    So what were Barry’s departing words before the fundraiser attendees began to dine on the Al Forno chefs’ exquisitely prepared cuisine?

    “I’ve got to go home to tuck in the girls and walk the dog and scoop the poop.”

    Yummmm!

  • fws

    carl@ 14

    your posts are for sure going to make me vote republican next time around! you really have persuasive and substantive reasons why I should do this. not!

  • fws

    carl@ 14

    your posts are for sure going to make me vote republican next time around! you really have persuasive and substantive reasons why I should do this. not!

  • fws

    ” I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength [by doing or not doing] believer in Jesus Christ nor come to him….

    but the Holy Spirit….”

    There is utterly nothing one can do or not do that has eternal consequences.

  • fws

    ” I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength [by doing or not doing] believer in Jesus Christ nor come to him….

    but the Holy Spirit….”

    There is utterly nothing one can do or not do that has eternal consequences.

  • Dust

    fws above….what about denying the Holy Spirit? Of course, we do not by OUR OWN reason or strength “believe” etc. etc….but if we DENY, that is our own doing, eh? Or did the devil make me do it?

  • Dust

    fws above….what about denying the Holy Spirit? Of course, we do not by OUR OWN reason or strength “believe” etc. etc….but if we DENY, that is our own doing, eh? Or did the devil make me do it?

  • fws

    Dust/Ptl @ 17

    The unregenerated Old Adam is an enemy of God, hates God, does not seek him, is at enmity with him.

    No one goes to hell because of what he does, but rather because of who he is. The Old Adam can only hate God. What else could he do being who he is?

  • fws

    Dust/Ptl @ 17

    The unregenerated Old Adam is an enemy of God, hates God, does not seek him, is at enmity with him.

    No one goes to hell because of what he does, but rather because of who he is. The Old Adam can only hate God. What else could he do being who he is?

  • fws

    Dust/Ptl @ 17

    You raise an important point that is answered in that rather famous Law and Gospel 3 year lecture series known as “The Parables of Jesus Christ”.

    In those parables Jesus uses earthly kingdom things to reveal heavenly kingdom realities.

    In the earthly kingdom righteousness is to be judges strictly according to evident-ial works and not according to who one is. It fully excludes faith.

    In the heavenly kingdom this is turned upside down. We are here judged strictly by who we are and what we do is not counted as to righeousness. This troubles us doesn´t it? It seems unreasonable. That is because it is.

  • fws

    Dust/Ptl @ 17

    You raise an important point that is answered in that rather famous Law and Gospel 3 year lecture series known as “The Parables of Jesus Christ”.

    In those parables Jesus uses earthly kingdom things to reveal heavenly kingdom realities.

    In the earthly kingdom righteousness is to be judges strictly according to evident-ial works and not according to who one is. It fully excludes faith.

    In the heavenly kingdom this is turned upside down. We are here judged strictly by who we are and what we do is not counted as to righeousness. This troubles us doesn´t it? It seems unreasonable. That is because it is.

  • Dust

    FWS….ok thanks. But we are judged by what we do, sorry….that is what judgement day is all about (am going to let you look up any verses if you need them). The difference is that believers will be covered in the blood of the Lamb and judged by his good works, as if they were their own, eh? Not trying to argue, but wondering if that is correct, thanks!

  • Dust

    FWS….ok thanks. But we are judged by what we do, sorry….that is what judgement day is all about (am going to let you look up any verses if you need them). The difference is that believers will be covered in the blood of the Lamb and judged by his good works, as if they were their own, eh? Not trying to argue, but wondering if that is correct, thanks!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    “I’m not saying that these silly political slams are equivalent to the Soviet persecution of artists.” … No, I’m just implying it. It’s something I do every election year, like my 2010 series on how Obama is an Alinskyite Marxist. I’m not saying that the Democratic Party equals the Communist Party. I’m just comparing them. Repeatedly. Kinda similar, right?

    Ahem.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    “I’m not saying that these silly political slams are equivalent to the Soviet persecution of artists.” … No, I’m just implying it. It’s something I do every election year, like my 2010 series on how Obama is an Alinskyite Marxist. I’m not saying that the Democratic Party equals the Communist Party. I’m just comparing them. Repeatedly. Kinda similar, right?

    Ahem.

  • Dust

    Just a followup, if my original line of thinking is correct, somewhat correct, or just not totally incorrect…..it would follow that unbelievers on the day of judgement would have to stand on their own works and deeds, which following from the wickedness of their heart and lack of love for God, would be self-centered, wicked, lustful, etc. etc. and get their just reward? Just a wondering, since that is how it comes across to me in the Bible….thanks FWS!

  • Dust

    Just a followup, if my original line of thinking is correct, somewhat correct, or just not totally incorrect…..it would follow that unbelievers on the day of judgement would have to stand on their own works and deeds, which following from the wickedness of their heart and lack of love for God, would be self-centered, wicked, lustful, etc. etc. and get their just reward? Just a wondering, since that is how it comes across to me in the Bible….thanks FWS!

  • Carl Vehse

    Regarding “The insanity charge” thread, not only Barry, but also his MSM kneepad sycophants have taken to describe the mental state of voters in the flyover states.

    Recently, the CBS News anchor (and perennial TV ratings bottom-scraper), Katie Couric, talked about her opportunity to tour “this great unwashed middle of the country” (such as Illinois, but for Katie including Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and New Jersey) to understand the reason why Midwest midterm voters are not swallowing Barry’s jive.

    Katie’s diagnosis: “American voters are slightly schizophrenic—they want compromise, and yet some of them are ideologically so fixated to one point of view… ”

    … and Katie, with her leftist political scotoma, doesn’t see it.

  • Carl Vehse

    Regarding “The insanity charge” thread, not only Barry, but also his MSM kneepad sycophants have taken to describe the mental state of voters in the flyover states.

    Recently, the CBS News anchor (and perennial TV ratings bottom-scraper), Katie Couric, talked about her opportunity to tour “this great unwashed middle of the country” (such as Illinois, but for Katie including Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and New Jersey) to understand the reason why Midwest midterm voters are not swallowing Barry’s jive.

    Katie’s diagnosis: “American voters are slightly schizophrenic—they want compromise, and yet some of them are ideologically so fixated to one point of view… ”

    … and Katie, with her leftist political scotoma, doesn’t see it.

  • Dust

    If it helps, read once that even Freud referred to those who didn’t accept his theories of psychoanalysis as “crazy” or idiots…too stupid to understand. You get it?

  • Dust

    If it helps, read once that even Freud referred to those who didn’t accept his theories of psychoanalysis as “crazy” or idiots…too stupid to understand. You get it?

  • fws

    Dust/Ptl @ 20 and 22

    Rather than respond, I would like more information. What are the passages or parables that have led you to these conclusions?

    If I understand right here is what you are saying is true:

    Believers are judged according to the works of Jesus as though those works are their own as a reward for having that thing called faith, and God will just ignore the wicked life, works and heart of Dust/Ptl on judgement day.

    The same wicked works and ways will send others who do not have the faith of Dust / Ptl to eternal punishment in hell as the just reward for the exact same wicked life and works and heart that God overlooks in Dust/Ptl.

    Am I understanding you right dear sister?

  • fws

    Dust/Ptl @ 20 and 22

    Rather than respond, I would like more information. What are the passages or parables that have led you to these conclusions?

    If I understand right here is what you are saying is true:

    Believers are judged according to the works of Jesus as though those works are their own as a reward for having that thing called faith, and God will just ignore the wicked life, works and heart of Dust/Ptl on judgement day.

    The same wicked works and ways will send others who do not have the faith of Dust / Ptl to eternal punishment in hell as the just reward for the exact same wicked life and works and heart that God overlooks in Dust/Ptl.

    Am I understanding you right dear sister?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    This whole article is really surprisingly pathetic and disingenuous. Which is what I’ve come to expect from Pajamas Media. But I do expect better of you, Dr. Veith.

    People who think the Daily Show’s animus is a liberal one just don’t get it. It has always been a sendup — a critique — of the state of modern journalism. No, really. Try watching an episode sometime. Or watch the infamous video of John Stewart dismantling CNN’s Crossfire[1], with its supposed liberal co-host on a network the right-wingers will never cease to call liberal, no matter what.

    It is against the insanity found in the modern media landscape — in particular, that of Glenn Beck — that Stewart’s rally is, well, rallying. You’d think that “conservatives” — those who are always telling liberals that they have no sense of humor, no less — might find something valuable in critiquing the media, but oh no. Not when it’s Fox News! They’re Our Heroes! They are the balance needed to restore the media universe over and against the cursed CNN!

    But no. “Conservatives” assume the rally is aimed at them and is merely a partisan attack. Which says more about “conservatives” than it does about Stewart — that they, well, don’t have much of a sense of humor and that they see everything in terms of a win-lose two-party partisan framework that is the problem in America. (Not all conservatives, mind you, but certainly everyone buying the claims of this article here.)

    Well, Jon Stewart is planning what he claims will be a huge rally next weekend called the “Restoring Sanity” demonstration. Odd, really, since Jon Stewart comes across as always a few screws short of a full brain.

    Nice. So the Pajamas Media author not only bungles his own metaphor, but he also hypocritically engages in the same thing he is decrying: calling people crazy. Wonderful. But see, he’s just playing the partisan game. He’s not actually interested in honesty. He’s just scoring points for his audience.

    It might behoove a sentient American to ponder whether Jon Stewart considers qualities like cheerfulness, religiosity, a penchant for cleanliness, and a love of American liberty — which were on ample display during Beck’s rally — to be signs of mental illness.

    Holy cow, who writes like this? How is this Web site going to overcome even the execrable writing style of the MSM if it tosses out stylistic turds like “It might behoove a sentient American to ponder”? And what pathetic sort of straw-man argument is this? Oh yes, I’m sure the Stewart rally will mainly be harping on Beck’s cheerfulness and cleanliness. I mean, that’s all that anyone even talked about regarding Beck’s rally. How clean it was. I don’t even know what Beck talked about — how clean was his rally! Okay, the Pajamas Media article is pathetic. It’s just angry that Beck got gored. I can’t read any more of it.

    But even Dr. Veith is falling for this talking point, flogging the framing that DonS mentioned on another thread, that “the NPR exec who said before she fired him that Juan Williams should just confide his fear of Muslims to his psychiatrist”. I cannot believe this argument is gaining traction, it is so disingenuous. I first heard of it via this completely hypocritical writeup that someone linked to here[2]:

    Crackpot NPR CEO Vivian Schiller bashed Juan Williams today for his insensitive comments that Muslims attacked the US on 9-11 (Muslims did attack the US on 9-11) . This far left loon then not only insulted Juan Williams bust she also insulted anyone who seeks psychiatric help: “Juan Williams should have kept his feelings about Muslims between himself and his psychiatrist or his publicist.”

    Okay, if you actually watch the video at that link, you’ll see that she’s saying that Juan was free to discuss his “emotions” — which, keep in mind, were about his fears of Muslims — with his psychiatrist. She was not saying he’s crazy or needs to see a shrink. Psychiatrists are, in fact, people that you talk to your fears and emotions about.

    And the relativism underlying all these meta-critiques — “Why, you can’t say other people are wrong, or less intelligent, or less reasonable; why, we’re all equally right, smart, and reasonable; except you, you’re the stupid, crazy one for thinking we’re not!” — is completely unbecoming would-be “conservatives”.

    [1]youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE
    [2]gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/10/npr-ceo-juan-williams-views-should-stay-between-himself-and-his-psychiatrist-video/

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    This whole article is really surprisingly pathetic and disingenuous. Which is what I’ve come to expect from Pajamas Media. But I do expect better of you, Dr. Veith.

    People who think the Daily Show’s animus is a liberal one just don’t get it. It has always been a sendup — a critique — of the state of modern journalism. No, really. Try watching an episode sometime. Or watch the infamous video of John Stewart dismantling CNN’s Crossfire[1], with its supposed liberal co-host on a network the right-wingers will never cease to call liberal, no matter what.

    It is against the insanity found in the modern media landscape — in particular, that of Glenn Beck — that Stewart’s rally is, well, rallying. You’d think that “conservatives” — those who are always telling liberals that they have no sense of humor, no less — might find something valuable in critiquing the media, but oh no. Not when it’s Fox News! They’re Our Heroes! They are the balance needed to restore the media universe over and against the cursed CNN!

    But no. “Conservatives” assume the rally is aimed at them and is merely a partisan attack. Which says more about “conservatives” than it does about Stewart — that they, well, don’t have much of a sense of humor and that they see everything in terms of a win-lose two-party partisan framework that is the problem in America. (Not all conservatives, mind you, but certainly everyone buying the claims of this article here.)

    Well, Jon Stewart is planning what he claims will be a huge rally next weekend called the “Restoring Sanity” demonstration. Odd, really, since Jon Stewart comes across as always a few screws short of a full brain.

    Nice. So the Pajamas Media author not only bungles his own metaphor, but he also hypocritically engages in the same thing he is decrying: calling people crazy. Wonderful. But see, he’s just playing the partisan game. He’s not actually interested in honesty. He’s just scoring points for his audience.

    It might behoove a sentient American to ponder whether Jon Stewart considers qualities like cheerfulness, religiosity, a penchant for cleanliness, and a love of American liberty — which were on ample display during Beck’s rally — to be signs of mental illness.

    Holy cow, who writes like this? How is this Web site going to overcome even the execrable writing style of the MSM if it tosses out stylistic turds like “It might behoove a sentient American to ponder”? And what pathetic sort of straw-man argument is this? Oh yes, I’m sure the Stewart rally will mainly be harping on Beck’s cheerfulness and cleanliness. I mean, that’s all that anyone even talked about regarding Beck’s rally. How clean it was. I don’t even know what Beck talked about — how clean was his rally! Okay, the Pajamas Media article is pathetic. It’s just angry that Beck got gored. I can’t read any more of it.

    But even Dr. Veith is falling for this talking point, flogging the framing that DonS mentioned on another thread, that “the NPR exec who said before she fired him that Juan Williams should just confide his fear of Muslims to his psychiatrist”. I cannot believe this argument is gaining traction, it is so disingenuous. I first heard of it via this completely hypocritical writeup that someone linked to here[2]:

    Crackpot NPR CEO Vivian Schiller bashed Juan Williams today for his insensitive comments that Muslims attacked the US on 9-11 (Muslims did attack the US on 9-11) . This far left loon then not only insulted Juan Williams bust she also insulted anyone who seeks psychiatric help: “Juan Williams should have kept his feelings about Muslims between himself and his psychiatrist or his publicist.”

    Okay, if you actually watch the video at that link, you’ll see that she’s saying that Juan was free to discuss his “emotions” — which, keep in mind, were about his fears of Muslims — with his psychiatrist. She was not saying he’s crazy or needs to see a shrink. Psychiatrists are, in fact, people that you talk to your fears and emotions about.

    And the relativism underlying all these meta-critiques — “Why, you can’t say other people are wrong, or less intelligent, or less reasonable; why, we’re all equally right, smart, and reasonable; except you, you’re the stupid, crazy one for thinking we’re not!” — is completely unbecoming would-be “conservatives”.

    [1]youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE
    [2]gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/10/npr-ceo-juan-williams-views-should-stay-between-himself-and-his-psychiatrist-video/

  • Dust

    FWS….are not the works of Christ imputed to us as believers? Maybe not, as am not as smart or knowledgeable as you or others, but seems to me that is a basic stuff? So God the Father, the Judge, sees the works of Christ and not ours? Of course, perhaps all He sees is the faith in our hearts and then on account of that, looks no further? Is that what you say? Fine with me, still gets me an admission ticket!

    Now as concerns your other paragraph where you seem to misunderstand me:

    “The same wicked works and ways will send others who do not have the faith of Dust / Ptl to eternal punishment in hell as the just reward for the exact same wicked life and works and heart that God overlooks in Dust/Ptl.”

    Well, it could be the wicked works, but that’s because unbelievers do not share in the blood and life of the Lamb, and whether or not they are judged by their works, or the wickedness of their heart for not being washed in the blood of the Lamb, the result is the same, right?

    So am very interested in your response, and if you would be so kind, how would you explain the differences that determine one’s place of residence for eternity?

    Thanks FWS…..

  • Dust

    FWS….are not the works of Christ imputed to us as believers? Maybe not, as am not as smart or knowledgeable as you or others, but seems to me that is a basic stuff? So God the Father, the Judge, sees the works of Christ and not ours? Of course, perhaps all He sees is the faith in our hearts and then on account of that, looks no further? Is that what you say? Fine with me, still gets me an admission ticket!

    Now as concerns your other paragraph where you seem to misunderstand me:

    “The same wicked works and ways will send others who do not have the faith of Dust / Ptl to eternal punishment in hell as the just reward for the exact same wicked life and works and heart that God overlooks in Dust/Ptl.”

    Well, it could be the wicked works, but that’s because unbelievers do not share in the blood and life of the Lamb, and whether or not they are judged by their works, or the wickedness of their heart for not being washed in the blood of the Lamb, the result is the same, right?

    So am very interested in your response, and if you would be so kind, how would you explain the differences that determine one’s place of residence for eternity?

    Thanks FWS…..

  • Kirk

    Oh, and PS, in case anyone is wondering what Jon Stewart’s take on the whole “psychiatrist comment,” and the Juan Williams scandal as a whole, watch this: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-25-2010/npr-staffing-decision-2010

    (I was at this taping. If you listen closely, you can hear me saying “woooooo!” “yeaaaaah!” and “hahahaha!” at various points during the recording)

  • Kirk

    Oh, and PS, in case anyone is wondering what Jon Stewart’s take on the whole “psychiatrist comment,” and the Juan Williams scandal as a whole, watch this: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-25-2010/npr-staffing-decision-2010

    (I was at this taping. If you listen closely, you can hear me saying “woooooo!” “yeaaaaah!” and “hahahaha!” at various points during the recording)

  • George A. Marquart

    I was going to jump in and contribute my invaluable comments for the betterment of the world, but I am delighted to see that the majority of those who have commented have stood up for sanity with eloquence and reason.

    But there is one area about which I know more than most people in this country: the Soviet Union. So I have to take issue with one sentence in the original posting: “They really did think he was insane, according to their worldview and their definition of insanity.” When you finally understand that “they” fully realized that their victims were devoid of any mental health issues, you will begin to understand the full cynicism and evil of that regime. Before the cure by “psychushka,” (the Russian term of endearment for “psychiatric hospital”), when the Soviet rulers had not yet been spoiled by extravagant lifestyles, Stalin personally signed the death warrants of thousands of people, fully realizing that they were not guilty of anything.

    As Christians we are shocked, even though we supposedly know that the natural state of humanity is total depravity, evil, and hate. I note that lately the hatred has risen to such a degree that people consciously promote a reality which they know is not true: viz. the Birthers, the Obama is Crypto-Muslim people, and the Swift Boat Veterans.

    Peace and Joy!
    George A. Marquart

  • George A. Marquart

    I was going to jump in and contribute my invaluable comments for the betterment of the world, but I am delighted to see that the majority of those who have commented have stood up for sanity with eloquence and reason.

    But there is one area about which I know more than most people in this country: the Soviet Union. So I have to take issue with one sentence in the original posting: “They really did think he was insane, according to their worldview and their definition of insanity.” When you finally understand that “they” fully realized that their victims were devoid of any mental health issues, you will begin to understand the full cynicism and evil of that regime. Before the cure by “psychushka,” (the Russian term of endearment for “psychiatric hospital”), when the Soviet rulers had not yet been spoiled by extravagant lifestyles, Stalin personally signed the death warrants of thousands of people, fully realizing that they were not guilty of anything.

    As Christians we are shocked, even though we supposedly know that the natural state of humanity is total depravity, evil, and hate. I note that lately the hatred has risen to such a degree that people consciously promote a reality which they know is not true: viz. the Birthers, the Obama is Crypto-Muslim people, and the Swift Boat Veterans.

    Peace and Joy!
    George A. Marquart

  • Dust

    FWS…..a follow up, hope it helps? Guess the main thing about your second paragraph is you seem to think it is one’s faith that saves them?

    “will send others who do not have the faith of Dust / Ptl to eternal punishment in hell”

    Just to try to clarify, although don’t know if it will help or just add to one’s confusion, but the way it was taught to me, it is not our faith that saves us, but Christ’s redeeming work, which is imputed to us through our faith? Hope that is correct, as if not, then please let me know….thanks FWS!

  • Dust

    FWS…..a follow up, hope it helps? Guess the main thing about your second paragraph is you seem to think it is one’s faith that saves them?

    “will send others who do not have the faith of Dust / Ptl to eternal punishment in hell”

    Just to try to clarify, although don’t know if it will help or just add to one’s confusion, but the way it was taught to me, it is not our faith that saves us, but Christ’s redeeming work, which is imputed to us through our faith? Hope that is correct, as if not, then please let me know….thanks FWS!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Yeah, Kirk (@28), but I bet you were mainly laughing at the DC in-jokes. Actually, the part about the city-as-metaphor was probably the funniest thing about that video.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Yeah, Kirk (@28), but I bet you were mainly laughing at the DC in-jokes. Actually, the part about the city-as-metaphor was probably the funniest thing about that video.

  • fws

    DUST/PTL Now as concerns your other paragraph where you seem to misunderstand me:

    FWS “The same wicked works and ways [that Dust/Ptl is completely and utterly and equally guilty of] will send others who do not have the faith of Dust / Ptl to eternal punishment in hell as the just reward for the exact same wicked life and works and heart that God overlooks in Dust/Ptl.”

    FWS You are telling me I misunderstand what you are saying with what I have written in this paragraph. I maybe am a little dense today, but I am not seeing exactly where you are telling me I misunderstand you. It will be important to know that so we are communicating and I give you the repect you deserve in trying to hear you properly, before I can give you an answer right? I need to make sure I understand your view before I can respond to it.

    DUST/PTL: So am very interested in your response, and if you would be so kind, how would you explain the differences that determine one’s place of residence for eternity?

    Thanks FWS…..

    FWS: Again, there is nothing we can do or omit doing that will make the difference between heaven and hell.

    This is not something that can be explained as a reason-able proposition that can be understood with logic or our reason. It is totally UNreasonable in fact. I can only tell you that this is so because Christ and his Holy Apostles tell us this, and only faith can receive this as truth.

    There is something however that we can discuss that makes perfect sense to anyones reason and cannot be denied. That is this:

    God demands of you Dust first that you love the lord your God with ALL your heart mind and soul.

    This means that God does not only demand that you accept some doctrines as true. Or mouth the words “Jesus is Lord”. He demands that you do everything from the bottom of your heart. Every. thing.

    This means that you trust in God completely without any doubt at all. It means that you must always cheerfully and spontaneously do only what is right to the extent that you dont even need to choose between right and wrong because it would just be as impossible for you to sin as it was for Jesus to sin. This is all that is necessary to keep the first commandment. And you do not do this do you? I know that I do not. So if you are saved because of your faith, then that would not be enough would it be? because your faith itself would condemn you (and yes, me too) , and justly so, to hell.

    Then , to top that off, secondly God also demand that you love your neighbor and have a burning and heartfelt desire to make them happy in the exact same way as you have treated the love of your life. This would especially need to be true for people you don´t like or who have betrayed you or done you wrong. This is especially also true for how you are commanded to treat persons who are morally suspect. I don´t do this. Do you?

    Isnt it great that none of this is what will make the difference in your eternity or anyone elses?

  • fws

    DUST/PTL Now as concerns your other paragraph where you seem to misunderstand me:

    FWS “The same wicked works and ways [that Dust/Ptl is completely and utterly and equally guilty of] will send others who do not have the faith of Dust / Ptl to eternal punishment in hell as the just reward for the exact same wicked life and works and heart that God overlooks in Dust/Ptl.”

    FWS You are telling me I misunderstand what you are saying with what I have written in this paragraph. I maybe am a little dense today, but I am not seeing exactly where you are telling me I misunderstand you. It will be important to know that so we are communicating and I give you the repect you deserve in trying to hear you properly, before I can give you an answer right? I need to make sure I understand your view before I can respond to it.

    DUST/PTL: So am very interested in your response, and if you would be so kind, how would you explain the differences that determine one’s place of residence for eternity?

    Thanks FWS…..

    FWS: Again, there is nothing we can do or omit doing that will make the difference between heaven and hell.

    This is not something that can be explained as a reason-able proposition that can be understood with logic or our reason. It is totally UNreasonable in fact. I can only tell you that this is so because Christ and his Holy Apostles tell us this, and only faith can receive this as truth.

    There is something however that we can discuss that makes perfect sense to anyones reason and cannot be denied. That is this:

    God demands of you Dust first that you love the lord your God with ALL your heart mind and soul.

    This means that God does not only demand that you accept some doctrines as true. Or mouth the words “Jesus is Lord”. He demands that you do everything from the bottom of your heart. Every. thing.

    This means that you trust in God completely without any doubt at all. It means that you must always cheerfully and spontaneously do only what is right to the extent that you dont even need to choose between right and wrong because it would just be as impossible for you to sin as it was for Jesus to sin. This is all that is necessary to keep the first commandment. And you do not do this do you? I know that I do not. So if you are saved because of your faith, then that would not be enough would it be? because your faith itself would condemn you (and yes, me too) , and justly so, to hell.

    Then , to top that off, secondly God also demand that you love your neighbor and have a burning and heartfelt desire to make them happy in the exact same way as you have treated the love of your life. This would especially need to be true for people you don´t like or who have betrayed you or done you wrong. This is especially also true for how you are commanded to treat persons who are morally suspect. I don´t do this. Do you?

    Isnt it great that none of this is what will make the difference in your eternity or anyone elses?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    FWS, can you explain how you came to be having this conversation with Dust/PTL in this thread? Best I can tell, your comment (@16) was a complete non sequitur, and for some reason, Dust/PTL bit (@17 ff). Am I missing something?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    FWS, can you explain how you came to be having this conversation with Dust/PTL in this thread? Best I can tell, your comment (@16) was a complete non sequitur, and for some reason, Dust/PTL bit (@17 ff). Am I missing something?

  • Grace

    For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

  • Grace

    For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

  • Carl Vehse

    tODD@16: “I can’t read any more of it.

    Oh, dear. By posting a link to and quoting from (in tODD’s judgment) a “really surprisingly pathetic and disingenuous” article, Dr. Veith “is falling for its talking point” and failing to meet tODD’s expectations. And why? According to tODD –

    “People who think…just don’t get it ” Conservatives telling liberals they have no sense of humor… Conservative assume… Which says conservatives don’t have a sense of humor… Pajamas Media is calling people crazy… “Holy cow, who writes like this?”… Beck’s cheerfulness and cleanliness… “I cannot believe this argument is gaining traction, it is so disingenuous”… “Okay, if you actually watch the video”… “the relativism underlying all these meta-critiques”… “is completely unbecoming would-be ‘conservatives’.”

    Any questions?

  • Carl Vehse

    tODD@16: “I can’t read any more of it.

    Oh, dear. By posting a link to and quoting from (in tODD’s judgment) a “really surprisingly pathetic and disingenuous” article, Dr. Veith “is falling for its talking point” and failing to meet tODD’s expectations. And why? According to tODD –

    “People who think…just don’t get it ” Conservatives telling liberals they have no sense of humor… Conservative assume… Which says conservatives don’t have a sense of humor… Pajamas Media is calling people crazy… “Holy cow, who writes like this?”… Beck’s cheerfulness and cleanliness… “I cannot believe this argument is gaining traction, it is so disingenuous”… “Okay, if you actually watch the video”… “the relativism underlying all these meta-critiques”… “is completely unbecoming would-be ‘conservatives’.”

    Any questions?

  • Richard

    It seems as if a lot of people are going to Hell in this political season: http://video.foxnews.com/v/4388465/behar-on-angle-shes-going-to-hell-this-bamp/

  • Richard

    It seems as if a lot of people are going to Hell in this political season: http://video.foxnews.com/v/4388465/behar-on-angle-shes-going-to-hell-this-bamp/

  • Dust

    FWS at 16….did you inject the words in brackets?

    ” I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength [by doing or not doing] believer in Jesus Christ nor come to him….

    If not, could you source them?

    My comment in 17 (?) basically was saying one does not need the Holy Spirit to NOT BELIEVE in JC nor come to him….that is done all by ourselves, unfortunately.

    So you say….

    “There is utterly nothing one can do or not do that has eternal consequences.”

    My comment was just to say you are right with respect to ending up at the pearly gates…..hmmm, now that I think about it, guess there is nothing someone could do to end up in the flames of Hell. That is their “default” final resting place, if they are not born again, that is where they will be without doing a thing. They are already on that “flight path” and only one thing can change their landing location?

    Is that right FWS?

  • Dust

    FWS at 16….did you inject the words in brackets?

    ” I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength [by doing or not doing] believer in Jesus Christ nor come to him….

    If not, could you source them?

    My comment in 17 (?) basically was saying one does not need the Holy Spirit to NOT BELIEVE in JC nor come to him….that is done all by ourselves, unfortunately.

    So you say….

    “There is utterly nothing one can do or not do that has eternal consequences.”

    My comment was just to say you are right with respect to ending up at the pearly gates…..hmmm, now that I think about it, guess there is nothing someone could do to end up in the flames of Hell. That is their “default” final resting place, if they are not born again, that is where they will be without doing a thing. They are already on that “flight path” and only one thing can change their landing location?

    Is that right FWS?

  • fws

    tood @ 33

    it is not easy to be blonde. or norwegian. you are right. i çposted to the wrong thread and ptl bit. I am outta here… thanks

  • fws

    tood @ 33

    it is not easy to be blonde. or norwegian. you are right. i çposted to the wrong thread and ptl bit. I am outta here… thanks

  • Grace

    “There is utterly nothing one can do or not do that has eternal consequences.”

    Not believing in Jesus Christ as Savior will result in an eternity separated from the LORD. Those who believe in Christ will be saved, the Scriptures prove it, Jesus stated it:

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3

  • Grace

    “There is utterly nothing one can do or not do that has eternal consequences.”

    Not believing in Jesus Christ as Savior will result in an eternity separated from the LORD. Those who believe in Christ will be saved, the Scriptures prove it, Jesus stated it:

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3

  • Dust

    gee fws (and todd) talk about thin skin :(

  • Dust

    gee fws (and todd) talk about thin skin :(

  • Dust

    Grace….give it up, FWS is talking on a plane so far above us all, good thing our Lord wasn’t so impatient and had a much better way with words!

  • Dust

    Grace….give it up, FWS is talking on a plane so far above us all, good thing our Lord wasn’t so impatient and had a much better way with words!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Dust/PTL (@40), what are you talking about?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Dust/PTL (@40), what are you talking about?

  • Kirk

    @39:

    NO ONE. SAY. ANYTHING.

  • Kirk

    @39:

    NO ONE. SAY. ANYTHING.

  • Grace

    Dust – 41

    The LORD Jesus Christ was straightforward, spoke plainly. It is man who feels the need to contort the words, using a lopsided form of intellectualism, which amounts to pseudo or false understanding of the Bible.

  • Grace

    Dust – 41

    The LORD Jesus Christ was straightforward, spoke plainly. It is man who feels the need to contort the words, using a lopsided form of intellectualism, which amounts to pseudo or false understanding of the Bible.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Kirk (@43), ANYTHING.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Kirk (@43), ANYTHING.

  • Grace

    Kirk – 43

    “NO ONE. SAY. ANYTHING.

    For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

  • Grace

    Kirk – 43

    “NO ONE. SAY. ANYTHING.

    For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

  • Tom Hering

    If I say “anything” am I no one? If a tree falls in the forest …

  • Tom Hering

    If I say “anything” am I no one? If a tree falls in the forest …

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    I feel like this thread has kind of come to resemble insanity itself. Can I say that?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    I feel like this thread has kind of come to resemble insanity itself. Can I say that?

  • Tom Hering

    Sure. You’re not under the restrictions of a freely-entered contract with NPR. :-)

  • Tom Hering

    Sure. You’re not under the restrictions of a freely-entered contract with NPR. :-)

  • Dust

    tODD at 42 above…..you’re right, my apologies! But am surprised at how sensitive FWS when one wants some amplification or clarification on one of his profound comments regarding the Gospel (well, profound to some of us, like me and perhaps him too since he likes to zing them out there?)….and thought was being pretty respectful and trying to understand his point of view (like my comment in 37, near the end) and was hoping he’d give me an A for the day, at least for effort. But he’s “outta here” instead…thus, the thin skin reaction, sorry it was not nice!

    Honestly, at first your comments used to bug me a lot and now they only bug me a little as you are showing yourself to be more fair and balanced than was my first impression….that’s pretty good progress,right? or am I going insane, or aminsane? Hard to discern that over a blog…after all FWS refers to me as his dear Sister. Am afraid to ask why exactly, as it may damage my male ego…..well, wouldn’t be the first time, eh?

    Speaking of FWS, above in 38….would it be proper to ask if you are a natural blonde :)

  • Dust

    tODD at 42 above…..you’re right, my apologies! But am surprised at how sensitive FWS when one wants some amplification or clarification on one of his profound comments regarding the Gospel (well, profound to some of us, like me and perhaps him too since he likes to zing them out there?)….and thought was being pretty respectful and trying to understand his point of view (like my comment in 37, near the end) and was hoping he’d give me an A for the day, at least for effort. But he’s “outta here” instead…thus, the thin skin reaction, sorry it was not nice!

    Honestly, at first your comments used to bug me a lot and now they only bug me a little as you are showing yourself to be more fair and balanced than was my first impression….that’s pretty good progress,right? or am I going insane, or aminsane? Hard to discern that over a blog…after all FWS refers to me as his dear Sister. Am afraid to ask why exactly, as it may damage my male ego…..well, wouldn’t be the first time, eh?

    Speaking of FWS, above in 38….would it be proper to ask if you are a natural blonde :)

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Tom (@49), true factoid: I was once referred to, indirectly, in a question on “Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me”. But there was no contract involved, it’s true.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Tom (@49), true factoid: I was once referred to, indirectly, in a question on “Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me”. But there was no contract involved, it’s true.

  • trotk

    tODD -

    Sitting down to read through these comments reminded me of the first chapter of Faulkner’s “The Sound and the Fury”. Completely fragmented, out of natural order, and yet there obviously is meaning to the individual pieces, and together, they probably have meaning, if you have the time to sort it all out.

  • trotk

    tODD -

    Sitting down to read through these comments reminded me of the first chapter of Faulkner’s “The Sound and the Fury”. Completely fragmented, out of natural order, and yet there obviously is meaning to the individual pieces, and together, they probably have meaning, if you have the time to sort it all out.

  • Tom Hering

    So, which one of us gets the Nobel Prize for literature?

  • Tom Hering

    So, which one of us gets the Nobel Prize for literature?

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    What about the money?

    The spending by both parties has been insane.

    Our debt is outrageous.

    Our unfunded liabilities more so.

    And the cost of the wars of dubious purpose is egregious.

    There is no way to pay for all of this.

    What about the insane spending?

    What about the money?

    I would welcome a return to sanity.

    I wish it were one of the choices.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    What about the money?

    The spending by both parties has been insane.

    Our debt is outrageous.

    Our unfunded liabilities more so.

    And the cost of the wars of dubious purpose is egregious.

    There is no way to pay for all of this.

    What about the insane spending?

    What about the money?

    I would welcome a return to sanity.

    I wish it were one of the choices.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    SG said (@55), “I would welcome a return to sanity.” Hey, everyone, SG’s a Communist, too!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    SG said (@55), “I would welcome a return to sanity.” Hey, everyone, SG’s a Communist, too!

  • Tom Hering

    J @ 54, I’m worse than elitist. I’m elitist with a taste for less well-known literature. My favorite Nobel-winning writer is Haldor Laxness.

    “I would welcome a return to sanity.” – sg @ 55.

    Unless one’s definition of sanity is itself insane. Think about that. *Cackles and twists mustache*

  • Tom Hering

    J @ 54, I’m worse than elitist. I’m elitist with a taste for less well-known literature. My favorite Nobel-winning writer is Haldor Laxness.

    “I would welcome a return to sanity.” – sg @ 55.

    Unless one’s definition of sanity is itself insane. Think about that. *Cackles and twists mustache*

  • Bryan Lindemood

    Were a lot of people drinking today? I think I missed the party! (expletive deleted)!

  • Bryan Lindemood

    Were a lot of people drinking today? I think I missed the party! (expletive deleted)!

  • fws

    todd @ 48

    A famous brasilian actress pointed out that only the truly sane can see and admit that they are insane.

    The mental hospitals house noone who is insane, only people who are sure they are sane .

    Lots of them preferred to be called Jesus Christ interestingly….

  • fws

    todd @ 48

    A famous brasilian actress pointed out that only the truly sane can see and admit that they are insane.

    The mental hospitals house noone who is insane, only people who are sure they are sane .

    Lots of them preferred to be called Jesus Christ interestingly….

  • fws

    …… yo! Grace are ya still listening?

  • fws

    …… yo! Grace are ya still listening?

  • Tom Hering

    Bryan Lindemood @ 58, grab your car keys. It’s gonna be an all-nighter. Woo hoo!

  • Tom Hering

    Bryan Lindemood @ 58, grab your car keys. It’s gonna be an all-nighter. Woo hoo!

  • Dust

    For what it is worth, from G. H. Chesterton, Orthodoxy:

    “The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except reason.”

    Pretty reasonable, eh?

  • Dust

    For what it is worth, from G. H. Chesterton, Orthodoxy:

    “The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except reason.”

    Pretty reasonable, eh?

  • Tom Hering

    Ah! Yes! An argument for this position or that position can be very well reasoned. But wrong – even mad. If love of God and neighbor is absent from it.

  • Tom Hering

    Ah! Yes! An argument for this position or that position can be very well reasoned. But wrong – even mad. If love of God and neighbor is absent from it.

  • Dust

    Seems like even fellow Cranach bloggers aren’t immune from leveling the crazy/insane accusation, a real debate stopper, that one:

    “Indeed. Been worried about Grace’s mental health for quite sometime. Her and PTL or Dust. that was quite an odd statement. Given that you don’t know the cultural relevance I’m assuming it has none. Of course, you can’t tell a crazy person that they are crazy, a real catch 22 there.”

    Not a big deal, but it can happen to the best of us!

  • Dust

    Seems like even fellow Cranach bloggers aren’t immune from leveling the crazy/insane accusation, a real debate stopper, that one:

    “Indeed. Been worried about Grace’s mental health for quite sometime. Her and PTL or Dust. that was quite an odd statement. Given that you don’t know the cultural relevance I’m assuming it has none. Of course, you can’t tell a crazy person that they are crazy, a real catch 22 there.”

    Not a big deal, but it can happen to the best of us!

  • Porcell

    When one debates leftists on such issues as embryonic-cell destruction [research], abortion, and homosexual marriage, bottom line one’s reason and sanity come into question.

    Reinhold Niebuhr in the Nature and Destiny of Man pointed out that liberals are essentially involved in a form of Marxist ideology, with its corrosive criticism of democratic capitalism.

    Todd: I feel like this thread has kind of come to resemble insanity itself. Can I say that? Of course being a consummate leftist you must say that.

  • Porcell

    When one debates leftists on such issues as embryonic-cell destruction [research], abortion, and homosexual marriage, bottom line one’s reason and sanity come into question.

    Reinhold Niebuhr in the Nature and Destiny of Man pointed out that liberals are essentially involved in a form of Marxist ideology, with its corrosive criticism of democratic capitalism.

    Todd: I feel like this thread has kind of come to resemble insanity itself. Can I say that? Of course being a consummate leftist you must say that.

  • Porcell

    Mr. Dunster, with Niebuhr one must distinguish between his early years during which he was severely critical of bourgeois capitalism andhis later years when he came to understand the bankruptcy of socialism and communism.

    In theology Niebuhr was, following Paul and Augustine, at bottom an orthodox Christian, though he was skeptical of simplistic biblical inerrancy and pietism. Niebuhr’s two volume Nature and Destiny of Man will likely become a classic of orthodox Christian literature.

  • Porcell

    Mr. Dunster, with Niebuhr one must distinguish between his early years during which he was severely critical of bourgeois capitalism andhis later years when he came to understand the bankruptcy of socialism and communism.

    In theology Niebuhr was, following Paul and Augustine, at bottom an orthodox Christian, though he was skeptical of simplistic biblical inerrancy and pietism. Niebuhr’s two volume Nature and Destiny of Man will likely become a classic of orthodox Christian literature.

  • fws

    Todd, Consumate Leftist.

    Todd. you still got some of those Trollios? I am needing a snack as I am being entertained. I am outta popcorn here.

  • fws

    Todd, Consumate Leftist.

    Todd. you still got some of those Trollios? I am needing a snack as I am being entertained. I am outta popcorn here.

  • Carl Vehse

    In connection to his earlier insanity claims about political opponents, here’s some excerpts from Barry Soetoro, by Tom Hoefling, AIPNews, quoting from last night’s appearance of Barry on Jon Stewart’s Comedy Central show:

    “Are you disappointed in how it’s gone?” Stewart asked.

    Obama replied that the situation is no surprise given the country’s high unemployment, underwater mortgages, and an overall poor economy. “Folks are going to be frustrated, and that’s going to reflect on the political environment,” Obama said. Obama said that in context, he’s “feeling great about where the American people are, considering what we’ve gone through.”

    “We’ve gone through the two toughest years since The Great Depression.”

    So, to translate that out of Obama-speak into normal English: “Folks have lost their jobs, they’re losing their homes, and the prospects for anything better are dim. And I feel great about that.”

    Pot, meet kettle.

  • Carl Vehse

    In connection to his earlier insanity claims about political opponents, here’s some excerpts from Barry Soetoro, by Tom Hoefling, AIPNews, quoting from last night’s appearance of Barry on Jon Stewart’s Comedy Central show:

    “Are you disappointed in how it’s gone?” Stewart asked.

    Obama replied that the situation is no surprise given the country’s high unemployment, underwater mortgages, and an overall poor economy. “Folks are going to be frustrated, and that’s going to reflect on the political environment,” Obama said. Obama said that in context, he’s “feeling great about where the American people are, considering what we’ve gone through.”

    “We’ve gone through the two toughest years since The Great Depression.”

    So, to translate that out of Obama-speak into normal English: “Folks have lost their jobs, they’re losing their homes, and the prospects for anything better are dim. And I feel great about that.”

    Pot, meet kettle.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/1843889-sol-buur Jefferey Schuck

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