Playing Chikin

The chicken sandwich chain Chick-fil-A is owned by devout Christians who close their stores on Sundays and give lots of money to Christian causes.  The company gave some free sandwiches to a meeting of a “pro-family” group.  Since that group opposes gay marriage–even though Chick-fil-A has not said anything about that issue–some bloggers are calling for a boycott.

This is an especially big deal on university campuses, where Chick-fil-A has a presence.  Peter Wood sees the efforts to boycott the chain and to kick it off campus as symptomatic of some other trends in higher education:

Because of Chick-fil-A’s support for pro-family causes, it has recently run afoul of some gay bloggers who have called for a boycott of the restaurant chain. And as The New York Times reports, “Students at some universities have also begun trying to get the chain removed from campuses.”. . .

Students, of course, are well within their rights to criticize the company and to circulate petitions, and Chik-fil-A is well within its rights to support pro-family causes even as it pursues business opportunities on college and university campuses.  . . .I don’t see a free-speech issue emerging in this controversy. But I do see another instance of aggressive intolerance in higher education towards those who uphold traditional social values.

So far as I can tell, no one has accused Chick-fil-A of discriminating against gays and lesbians in its employment practices or its customer service. The incident that sparked the boycott campaign was a Pennsylvania Chick-fil-A restaurant’s provision of sandwiches and brownies to a marriage seminar put on by the Pennsylvania Family Institute—a group that opposes gay marriage and has been characterized by activists as anti-gay. The seminar in Harrisburg is “The Art of Marriage:  Getting to the Heart of God’s Design.”

Presumably Chick-fil-A contributes to other groups that hold similar views. Does that really provide a sound reason to those who favor gay marriage to drive Chick-fil-A off campus?I think not. The campaign is unwise because it seeks to punish and stigmatize those with whom the protesters disagree. The ideal of the campus as a place where people debate their differences by means of rational arguments and well-vetted evidence has been on a downward trajectory for decades. Kicking Chick-fil-A off campus is a reductio ad absurdum of the now-common tactic of roaring at your supposed opponents. The company, after all, isn’t busy on campus promoting an anti-gay marriage agenda. It’s just selling chicken sandwiches.

Protests like the one aimed at Chick-fil-A are partly or even mostly attempts to exhibit the power of the protesters. That aim has nothing to do with winning the argument—is gay marriage a good social policy or a mistaken one?—and everything to do with controlling the narrative. Only those who agree with the protesters are granted a legitimate voice hereafter. Roar loud enough and you may intimidate the target, but that’s of less importance than pumping up excitement among followers and creating a secondary wave of self-censorship among others who correctly surmise that it is dangerous to disagree.

via Is Chick-fil-A Anti-Gay? – Innovations – The Chronicle of Higher Education.

Do you think gays are overplaying their hand?  They get legal rights, civil unions, in many places since they have the moral high ground same-sex marriage.  Do they need to persecute people who do not agree with them?

HT:  tODD

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • SKPeterson

    Do they need to persecute? In an objective sense, do they? No. In a post-modern, grievance-driven academic culture, do they? Absolutely.

    Are they overplaying their hand? In some parts of the country, yes. In others, no. That’s an obvious banality, but that’s what you often get in culture wars, or misguided skirmishes, as in this case. I think that in most of the country, people won’t care about the feelings of gay students or the fate of on-campus dining establishments. I know I don’t, and as I go, so go’s the nation. ;)

  • SKPeterson

    Do they need to persecute? In an objective sense, do they? No. In a post-modern, grievance-driven academic culture, do they? Absolutely.

    Are they overplaying their hand? In some parts of the country, yes. In others, no. That’s an obvious banality, but that’s what you often get in culture wars, or misguided skirmishes, as in this case. I think that in most of the country, people won’t care about the feelings of gay students or the fate of on-campus dining establishments. I know I don’t, and as I go, so go’s the nation. ;)

  • SKPeterson

    go’s or goes. Take your pick.

  • SKPeterson

    go’s or goes. Take your pick.

  • WebMonk

    Christians have done the exact same thing to all sorts of businesses for very similar reasons – for both the Christians and the students in this story, it’s a stupid thing to do which sets a horrible example on a multitude of levels.

  • WebMonk

    Christians have done the exact same thing to all sorts of businesses for very similar reasons – for both the Christians and the students in this story, it’s a stupid thing to do which sets a horrible example on a multitude of levels.

  • BW

    Oh man, this incident happened in my neck of the woods and I hadn’t even heard anything about it! I am not even sure if it made the local news around here.

    From a Chick-Fil-A point of view, as a business, isn’t it in their best interest to cater to whomever might want their sandwiches? Just asking.

  • BW

    Oh man, this incident happened in my neck of the woods and I hadn’t even heard anything about it! I am not even sure if it made the local news around here.

    From a Chick-Fil-A point of view, as a business, isn’t it in their best interest to cater to whomever might want their sandwiches? Just asking.

  • Porcell

    This is the ordinary sort of persecution that Christians have faced for millennia from “cultured” despisers of religion. In this case the owner of a good business will need to handle a small loss of revenue and, ironically, provide less work in the economy, including apparently for some “gay” people.

  • Porcell

    This is the ordinary sort of persecution that Christians have faced for millennia from “cultured” despisers of religion. In this case the owner of a good business will need to handle a small loss of revenue and, ironically, provide less work in the economy, including apparently for some “gay” people.

  • Kirk

    I am confident that the lure of delicious breaded chicken strips, waffle fries, sweet tea and Chick-fil-a sauce will soon break the will of boycott-ers.

    In unrelated news, have you all heard about how gay Disney is? We should totally send them a message by not watching their movies.

  • Kirk

    I am confident that the lure of delicious breaded chicken strips, waffle fries, sweet tea and Chick-fil-a sauce will soon break the will of boycott-ers.

    In unrelated news, have you all heard about how gay Disney is? We should totally send them a message by not watching their movies.

  • Carl Vehse

    Webmonk: “Christians have done the exact same thing to all sorts of businesses for very similar reasons”

    In such rare cases, it’s then been for the wrong reasons. But when Christians have, for the right reasons, boycotted and denounced leftist travesties and the support from media clymers, that is a good thing.

  • Carl Vehse

    Webmonk: “Christians have done the exact same thing to all sorts of businesses for very similar reasons”

    In such rare cases, it’s then been for the wrong reasons. But when Christians have, for the right reasons, boycotted and denounced leftist travesties and the support from media clymers, that is a good thing.

  • Kristen

    Maybe we should all boycott Hewlitt Packard, since they are a huge contributor to Planned Parenthood.

  • Kristen

    Maybe we should all boycott Hewlitt Packard, since they are a huge contributor to Planned Parenthood.

  • Tom Hering

    No, we should boycott Procter & Gamble. Just because they’ve changed their Satanic logo, doesn’t mean their profits don’t continue to support the Church of Satan.

  • Tom Hering

    No, we should boycott Procter & Gamble. Just because they’ve changed their Satanic logo, doesn’t mean their profits don’t continue to support the Church of Satan.

  • BW

    And then we should boycott all the store chains which make their employees say “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas”…

  • BW

    And then we should boycott all the store chains which make their employees say “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas”…

  • Van Edwards

    This story’s making me hungry.

    I work 2 miles from the original Chick-Fil-A. Corporate HQ is 5 miles away. The impact that Truett Cathy and his family have in this area is tremendous. As a company – never mind the chicken – they have provided countless college scholarships, a center for marriage counselling, a camp for troubled children, family-oriented activities in local communities, and that’s just a start. I think if they continue to push against CFA, the backlash would be huge. Or ought to be.

    And no, I don’t work for Chick-Fil-A.

  • Van Edwards

    This story’s making me hungry.

    I work 2 miles from the original Chick-Fil-A. Corporate HQ is 5 miles away. The impact that Truett Cathy and his family have in this area is tremendous. As a company – never mind the chicken – they have provided countless college scholarships, a center for marriage counselling, a camp for troubled children, family-oriented activities in local communities, and that’s just a start. I think if they continue to push against CFA, the backlash would be huge. Or ought to be.

    And no, I don’t work for Chick-Fil-A.

  • K

    Tom…
    I’m hoping your post is made in sarcasm. Otherwise, let’s all get our facts straight:
    http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/procter.asp

  • K

    Tom…
    I’m hoping your post is made in sarcasm. Otherwise, let’s all get our facts straight:
    http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/procter.asp

  • Kirk

    @7: It’s ok when we do it!

    Here’s the deal: I don’t think boycotts accomplish a whole lot (yes, I realize there have been successful ones, but they’re definitely not the norm). But, if you don’t want your money going to support something, then don’t contribute to or patron organizations that use their profits to support that thing. It’s not oppression or persecution, it’s simply being contentious about where your money ends up.

  • Kirk

    @7: It’s ok when we do it!

    Here’s the deal: I don’t think boycotts accomplish a whole lot (yes, I realize there have been successful ones, but they’re definitely not the norm). But, if you don’t want your money going to support something, then don’t contribute to or patron organizations that use their profits to support that thing. It’s not oppression or persecution, it’s simply being contentious about where your money ends up.

  • LAJ

    Has anyone heard of a Target store being put out of business because of the gays boycott last year? Ours is just as busy as ever. Hopefully, it will all blow over, and the Chick-Fill-A’s will all survive in spite of this.

  • LAJ

    Has anyone heard of a Target store being put out of business because of the gays boycott last year? Ours is just as busy as ever. Hopefully, it will all blow over, and the Chick-Fill-A’s will all survive in spite of this.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    Hi my name is Luther and I am a nugget addict. Now I am craving Chick-fil-a and the nearest restaurant is 20 miles away and we’re snowed in from the midwest blizzard. I think I may sue a gay-rights groups for pain and suffering caused by articles on their actions. I want my Chick-fil-a.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    Hi my name is Luther and I am a nugget addict. Now I am craving Chick-fil-a and the nearest restaurant is 20 miles away and we’re snowed in from the midwest blizzard. I think I may sue a gay-rights groups for pain and suffering caused by articles on their actions. I want my Chick-fil-a.

  • Tom Hering

    K @ 12: Consider your hope fulfilled. But then there’s Hollywood. Boycott Hollywood. It’s the gayest thing out there.

  • Tom Hering

    K @ 12: Consider your hope fulfilled. But then there’s Hollywood. Boycott Hollywood. It’s the gayest thing out there.

  • Michael Z.

    Issues Boycotts don’t work…sorry gay-rights people (and some Christians) you just aren’t influential enough.

  • Michael Z.

    Issues Boycotts don’t work…sorry gay-rights people (and some Christians) you just aren’t influential enough.

  • http://bilingualbibleblog.blogspot.com Brian Roden

    I could eat there seven times a day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsJHqstPuNo

  • http://bilingualbibleblog.blogspot.com Brian Roden

    I could eat there seven times a day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsJHqstPuNo

  • Tom Hering

    Seriously, I can support the boycott of a business if its goods or services are directly related to the issue at hand. The way the boycott of table grapes was directly related to the treatment of grape pickers in the 1960s (a boycott that enjoyed wide public support). But boycotting Chick-fil-A because of its indirect support of a pro-family meeting, which is even more indirectly related to gay rights issues? No. Now, if a boycott of Chick-fil-A got going because of the treatment of animals on factory farms …

  • Tom Hering

    Seriously, I can support the boycott of a business if its goods or services are directly related to the issue at hand. The way the boycott of table grapes was directly related to the treatment of grape pickers in the 1960s (a boycott that enjoyed wide public support). But boycotting Chick-fil-A because of its indirect support of a pro-family meeting, which is even more indirectly related to gay rights issues? No. Now, if a boycott of Chick-fil-A got going because of the treatment of animals on factory farms …

  • Tom Hering

    Another good example is the 18th-century English public’s boycott of slave-plantation sugar, which helped to end the slave trade.

  • Tom Hering

    Another good example is the 18th-century English public’s boycott of slave-plantation sugar, which helped to end the slave trade.

  • WebMonk

    Down with Walmart! Down with Target! Down with Disney! Down with Proctor and Gamble! Down with HP! Down with Microsoft! Down with 3M! Abercrombie & Fitch! Barnes and Noble! American Express! General Motors! Gap! Viacom! UPS! Johnson & Johnson!

    Oh yeah. Christians are SO safe throwing stones on this topic.

    And those are just off the top of my head from what I personally have been asked to boycott. (I stuck one company in there that isn’t supposed to be there – can anyone find it?)

  • WebMonk

    Down with Walmart! Down with Target! Down with Disney! Down with Proctor and Gamble! Down with HP! Down with Microsoft! Down with 3M! Abercrombie & Fitch! Barnes and Noble! American Express! General Motors! Gap! Viacom! UPS! Johnson & Johnson!

    Oh yeah. Christians are SO safe throwing stones on this topic.

    And those are just off the top of my head from what I personally have been asked to boycott. (I stuck one company in there that isn’t supposed to be there – can anyone find it?)

  • DonS

    I’m with Webmonk @ 3. Issues boycotts are almost always ineffective, and they often convey the wrong message. But it’s a free country and if you don’t want to support a particular business because of its viewpoints or charitable causes, by all means go for it. There are a few companies we don’t purchase from because of personal convictions we have about their policies/actions. But we don’t make a big deal out of it, nor do we condemn those who do. It’s just a personal choice.

    Private universities, like individuals, as long as they don’t accept government funding, are free to force Chick-fil-A off- campus because they don’t like their viewpoint, if that is their desire. Probably some will — using a pretext like they need a restaurant that is open on Sundays to provide better student service (uh-huh). A boycott of Chick-fil-A will categorically not make them change their views, though. A company that is willing to forego the business they could have by being open on Sundays, because of conviction, is not going to be moved by such efforts as these. Nor will being forced off of a few campuses harm their overall business. I suspect that any university that forces them off, substituting another fast food restaurant, will, however, see a significant reduction of concession revenue, unless they can substitute another hot chain like In ‘n Out.

  • DonS

    I’m with Webmonk @ 3. Issues boycotts are almost always ineffective, and they often convey the wrong message. But it’s a free country and if you don’t want to support a particular business because of its viewpoints or charitable causes, by all means go for it. There are a few companies we don’t purchase from because of personal convictions we have about their policies/actions. But we don’t make a big deal out of it, nor do we condemn those who do. It’s just a personal choice.

    Private universities, like individuals, as long as they don’t accept government funding, are free to force Chick-fil-A off- campus because they don’t like their viewpoint, if that is their desire. Probably some will — using a pretext like they need a restaurant that is open on Sundays to provide better student service (uh-huh). A boycott of Chick-fil-A will categorically not make them change their views, though. A company that is willing to forego the business they could have by being open on Sundays, because of conviction, is not going to be moved by such efforts as these. Nor will being forced off of a few campuses harm their overall business. I suspect that any university that forces them off, substituting another fast food restaurant, will, however, see a significant reduction of concession revenue, unless they can substitute another hot chain like In ‘n Out.

  • Porcell

    WebMonk, few serious Christians pay attention to any of these campaigns, as they know they have nothing to do with any serious Gospel or Law. Aren’t we supposed to let a higher authority separate the wheat from the chaff. Personally, I buy products from most of the companies on your list.

    When you remark, Oh yeah. Christians are SO safe throwing stones on this topic., you’re referring to a relatively small, though noisy, number of Christians that mistake “activism” for serious religion, the battle field for the mission field. Getting down in the gutter with militant “gay” activists is a big mistake

  • Porcell

    WebMonk, few serious Christians pay attention to any of these campaigns, as they know they have nothing to do with any serious Gospel or Law. Aren’t we supposed to let a higher authority separate the wheat from the chaff. Personally, I buy products from most of the companies on your list.

    When you remark, Oh yeah. Christians are SO safe throwing stones on this topic., you’re referring to a relatively small, though noisy, number of Christians that mistake “activism” for serious religion, the battle field for the mission field. Getting down in the gutter with militant “gay” activists is a big mistake

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Boycotts are OK. After all, a person (or group of people) can choose where to spend his money, and for whatever reason.

    But it does seem a bit intolerant for a group to try to get a public university to put a local franchise out of business because of the charitable donations of a different franchise in a different state .

    Seems all the lefty preaching about “tolerance” over the last few decades has borne some strange fruit.

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Boycotts are OK. After all, a person (or group of people) can choose where to spend his money, and for whatever reason.

    But it does seem a bit intolerant for a group to try to get a public university to put a local franchise out of business because of the charitable donations of a different franchise in a different state .

    Seems all the lefty preaching about “tolerance” over the last few decades has borne some strange fruit.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    For what it’s worth, I personally soldier on in my boycott against Chick-fil-A, my main protest being that there isn’t a location for several hundred miles, and I refuse to accede to their demands that I waste dozens of gallons of gasoline merely so I can have pickles on my chicken sandwich.

    I have also never understood the Evangelical obsession with Chick-fil-A, except as perhaps yet another example of what has been called the “sterile Christian bubble”. The food is pretty good, but would Jesus add pickles to his chicken sandwich? I cannot conclude that he would.

    Also, as one interested in good spelling, I really must take issue with the very name of the corporation, which appears to be a sort of backhanded slap at Americans, implying that they could not possibly pronounce a French loan word without having it phonetically hyphenated for them. (Of course, this is actually true when it comes to the British.)

    Finally, could someone please develop an app for my phone that would recommend restaurants based on demographic boxes I would select? It would be like Yelp, basically, but telling me where not to eat. So if I selected “Christian”, it would produce a list of non-boycotted places (with Chick-fil-A at the top, of course, no matter the distance). Of course, the main cost wouldn’t be the software development, but the full team of business analysts you’d need to keep the database up-to-date on any company that in any way funds, promotes, or could in some way be accused of tolerating anything that is sinful, amoral, or icky.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    For what it’s worth, I personally soldier on in my boycott against Chick-fil-A, my main protest being that there isn’t a location for several hundred miles, and I refuse to accede to their demands that I waste dozens of gallons of gasoline merely so I can have pickles on my chicken sandwich.

    I have also never understood the Evangelical obsession with Chick-fil-A, except as perhaps yet another example of what has been called the “sterile Christian bubble”. The food is pretty good, but would Jesus add pickles to his chicken sandwich? I cannot conclude that he would.

    Also, as one interested in good spelling, I really must take issue with the very name of the corporation, which appears to be a sort of backhanded slap at Americans, implying that they could not possibly pronounce a French loan word without having it phonetically hyphenated for them. (Of course, this is actually true when it comes to the British.)

    Finally, could someone please develop an app for my phone that would recommend restaurants based on demographic boxes I would select? It would be like Yelp, basically, but telling me where not to eat. So if I selected “Christian”, it would produce a list of non-boycotted places (with Chick-fil-A at the top, of course, no matter the distance). Of course, the main cost wouldn’t be the software development, but the full team of business analysts you’d need to keep the database up-to-date on any company that in any way funds, promotes, or could in some way be accused of tolerating anything that is sinful, amoral, or icky.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    WebMonk (@21), I’ll bite. You’ve been invited to more boycotts than I have. I have no idea as to why some of those companies have been proposed as boycott targets, but I’ll take some guesses:

    Abercrombie & Fitch: Kinda porny.
    Procter and Gamble: Gambling is a sin.
    3M: Logo sort of looks like devil if you turn your head sideways. And squint.
    HP: Could stand for “Harry Potter”, which is pro-witchcraft.
    Microsoft: Bill Gates might be the “Gates of Hades” referred to in the Bible.
    Viacom: Name a corruption and mockery of Portugeuse benediction “Vá com Deus”.
    Johnson & Johnson: Name too reminiscent of sexual perverts Masters & Johnson.
    American Express: Name is anagram for “American Sex Reps”.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    WebMonk (@21), I’ll bite. You’ve been invited to more boycotts than I have. I have no idea as to why some of those companies have been proposed as boycott targets, but I’ll take some guesses:

    Abercrombie & Fitch: Kinda porny.
    Procter and Gamble: Gambling is a sin.
    3M: Logo sort of looks like devil if you turn your head sideways. And squint.
    HP: Could stand for “Harry Potter”, which is pro-witchcraft.
    Microsoft: Bill Gates might be the “Gates of Hades” referred to in the Bible.
    Viacom: Name a corruption and mockery of Portugeuse benediction “Vá com Deus”.
    Johnson & Johnson: Name too reminiscent of sexual perverts Masters & Johnson.
    American Express: Name is anagram for “American Sex Reps”.

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    Never been to Chick-fil-A before. Think I’ll give it a try!

    Thanks for the reminder!

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    Never been to Chick-fil-A before. Think I’ll give it a try!

    Thanks for the reminder!

  • WebMonk

    Porcell, for what it’s worth, I wouldn’t consider the AFA and FotF as a small number of Christians. And there are hundreds of smaller organizations that align themselves with those two. They are the largest groups of Christians in the US outside of specific denominations.

  • WebMonk

    Porcell, for what it’s worth, I wouldn’t consider the AFA and FotF as a small number of Christians. And there are hundreds of smaller organizations that align themselves with those two. They are the largest groups of Christians in the US outside of specific denominations.

  • WebMonk

    Brilliant tODD!

    You know, if someone had asked me to boycott some of the companies for those reasons, I might have actually gone with the boycott! :-D

    Microsoft was the outlier in that collection. The others were the typical gay reasons for the most part. Boring same-old, same-old. How about a bit of variety here! I’m tired of just boycotting companies that “support gays”, I want to boycott some companies because they mis-use plaid! Because they have silly logos! Down with ridiculous slogans! (Hmmm, would that be a ridiculous slogan itself?)

  • WebMonk

    Brilliant tODD!

    You know, if someone had asked me to boycott some of the companies for those reasons, I might have actually gone with the boycott! :-D

    Microsoft was the outlier in that collection. The others were the typical gay reasons for the most part. Boring same-old, same-old. How about a bit of variety here! I’m tired of just boycotting companies that “support gays”, I want to boycott some companies because they mis-use plaid! Because they have silly logos! Down with ridiculous slogans! (Hmmm, would that be a ridiculous slogan itself?)

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  • Porcell

    WebMonk, AFA and FotF are exactly what most serious Christians regard as, however large, noisy and moralistic Christians. They hardly represent the best of Christianity.

    Though these outfits pretend to be fighting a cultural war against evil secular humanists, they make the mistake of fighting leftist activism with Christian activism, again, mistaking the battlefield for what ought to be a mission field.

    Christianity is essentially about Gospel and Law, not about presuming prematurely to separate the wheat from the chaff. Let the radical sodomites play that game.

  • Porcell

    WebMonk, AFA and FotF are exactly what most serious Christians regard as, however large, noisy and moralistic Christians. They hardly represent the best of Christianity.

    Though these outfits pretend to be fighting a cultural war against evil secular humanists, they make the mistake of fighting leftist activism with Christian activism, again, mistaking the battlefield for what ought to be a mission field.

    Christianity is essentially about Gospel and Law, not about presuming prematurely to separate the wheat from the chaff. Let the radical sodomites play that game.

  • WebMonk

    “Christianity is essentially about Gospel and Law, not about presuming prematurely to separate the wheat from the chaff.”

    Preceded immediately by:

    “AFA and FotF are … noisy and moralistic Christians. They hardly represent the best of Christianity.”

    Ya’ just can’t make stuff like that up!

  • WebMonk

    “Christianity is essentially about Gospel and Law, not about presuming prematurely to separate the wheat from the chaff.”

    Preceded immediately by:

    “AFA and FotF are … noisy and moralistic Christians. They hardly represent the best of Christianity.”

    Ya’ just can’t make stuff like that up!

  • Porcell

    Well, Web Monk, there is a distinction between noisy activists and orthodox Christians who make prudential judgments and prefer not to involve themselves in moral jihads against secular humanists.

  • Porcell

    Well, Web Monk, there is a distinction between noisy activists and orthodox Christians who make prudential judgments and prefer not to involve themselves in moral jihads against secular humanists.

  • johnny pronto

    Perhaps a boycott should be called on “gay bloggers”?

  • johnny pronto

    Perhaps a boycott should be called on “gay bloggers”?

  • Grace

    johnny pronto – 33

    “Perhaps a boycott should be called on “gay bloggers”?

    That’s a hoot !

  • Grace

    johnny pronto – 33

    “Perhaps a boycott should be called on “gay bloggers”?

    That’s a hoot !

  • Porcell

    A boycott of “gay” bloggers would be the equivalent of shoveling coon manure against the tide.

  • Porcell

    A boycott of “gay” bloggers would be the equivalent of shoveling coon manure against the tide.

  • trotk

    “WebMonk, AFA and FotF are exactly what most serious Christians regard as, however large, noisy and moralistic Christians. ”

    Peter, how do you presume to speak for most serious Christians? Who are the serious Christians, and who are the not serious Christians?

  • trotk

    “WebMonk, AFA and FotF are exactly what most serious Christians regard as, however large, noisy and moralistic Christians. ”

    Peter, how do you presume to speak for most serious Christians? Who are the serious Christians, and who are the not serious Christians?

  • Tom Hering

    No! Not gay bloggers – gay cloggers. They undermine the urbane stereotype.

  • Tom Hering

    No! Not gay bloggers – gay cloggers. They undermine the urbane stereotype.

  • trotk

    tODD (at 25) – I think the evangelical obsession comes from a few places. First, the fact that Chick-fil-A is owened by evangelical Christians.
    Second, from the fact that Chick-fil-A so readily donates food to church groups. If you are planning a youth group service project, and need some free food, all you have to do is call. It is actually pretty amazing how generous they are.
    Third, from the fact that there is a noticeable difference in the kindness of the servers at Chick-fil-A. They are actively trained to treat the customer with cheerfulness and respect.
    I think these three things go a long way in the evangelical world, and I understand all of them.

  • trotk

    tODD (at 25) – I think the evangelical obsession comes from a few places. First, the fact that Chick-fil-A is owened by evangelical Christians.
    Second, from the fact that Chick-fil-A so readily donates food to church groups. If you are planning a youth group service project, and need some free food, all you have to do is call. It is actually pretty amazing how generous they are.
    Third, from the fact that there is a noticeable difference in the kindness of the servers at Chick-fil-A. They are actively trained to treat the customer with cheerfulness and respect.
    I think these three things go a long way in the evangelical world, and I understand all of them.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Also, Porcell (@30), am I to understand that you are now disavowing the Culture War? That you henceforth disclaim “moral jihads against secular humanists”?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Also, Porcell (@30), am I to understand that you are now disavowing the Culture War? That you henceforth disclaim “moral jihads against secular humanists”?

  • Grace

    Porcell @35

    That was GOOD! LOL

  • Grace

    Porcell @35

    That was GOOD! LOL

  • Grace

    tODD,

    Have a Chick-fil-A feast, go ahead, you’ll feel better!

  • Grace

    tODD,

    Have a Chick-fil-A feast, go ahead, you’ll feel better!

  • Porcell

    Todd, at 39, as a citizen, I am active as a financial contributor and personally in the culture war, though I hardly confuse my role as a citizen with that of being a Christian. Of course, you, who confuse being a left coast liberal and a WEls Christian could hardly understand this.

  • Porcell

    Todd, at 39, as a citizen, I am active as a financial contributor and personally in the culture war, though I hardly confuse my role as a citizen with that of being a Christian. Of course, you, who confuse being a left coast liberal and a WEls Christian could hardly understand this.

  • trotk

    But Peter, I thought that the kingdom was coming on this earth.

    How in the world do you reconcile this stance with your excitement over Jesus’ political message?

  • trotk

    But Peter, I thought that the kingdom was coming on this earth.

    How in the world do you reconcile this stance with your excitement over Jesus’ political message?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Trotk (@38), I’m always surprised when I’m reminded you’re not a Lutheran. Take that as a compliment or a swipe, as you wish. :) Are you, then, a self-described “Evangelical”? I forget.

    Anyhow, I haven’t heard much about Chick-fil-A’s food donation policy, other than the kerfuffle around this particular instance. That does make sense, though, in the same way that Papa John’s was the go-to pizza provider for any meeting when I was in college (wasn’t donated, but it was the cheapest).

    And from my one (1) visit to a Chick-fil-A (my Baptist in-laws more or less insisted I eat there when I went back to Texas; for some reason, I never ate at Chick-fil-A when I lived there), you are right about customer service. It was a noticeable step up from your typical fast-food place.

    I will also note, for what it’s worth, that it was the only place I’ve had that served me food in styrofoam (for eating in, no less!) in a decade or more. So that was a bit striking, as well. And while I’m not equipped with a list of ecological pros and cons when it comes to the manufacturing and disposal of styrofoam vs. paper containers, my experience with Evangelicals is that, on average, they don’t much care, either way.

    I guess it all seems a bit odd to me as a Lutheran. Especially a Lutheran who, if he’s going to eat any fast food, will typically do so on Sunday, right after church.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Trotk (@38), I’m always surprised when I’m reminded you’re not a Lutheran. Take that as a compliment or a swipe, as you wish. :) Are you, then, a self-described “Evangelical”? I forget.

    Anyhow, I haven’t heard much about Chick-fil-A’s food donation policy, other than the kerfuffle around this particular instance. That does make sense, though, in the same way that Papa John’s was the go-to pizza provider for any meeting when I was in college (wasn’t donated, but it was the cheapest).

    And from my one (1) visit to a Chick-fil-A (my Baptist in-laws more or less insisted I eat there when I went back to Texas; for some reason, I never ate at Chick-fil-A when I lived there), you are right about customer service. It was a noticeable step up from your typical fast-food place.

    I will also note, for what it’s worth, that it was the only place I’ve had that served me food in styrofoam (for eating in, no less!) in a decade or more. So that was a bit striking, as well. And while I’m not equipped with a list of ecological pros and cons when it comes to the manufacturing and disposal of styrofoam vs. paper containers, my experience with Evangelicals is that, on average, they don’t much care, either way.

    I guess it all seems a bit odd to me as a Lutheran. Especially a Lutheran who, if he’s going to eat any fast food, will typically do so on Sunday, right after church.

  • trotk

    I am Anglican, tODD, though I always feel the need to distance myself from Canterbury and the Episcopal Church (perhaps the way you might feel if someone assumed by the term Lutheran that you were ELCA). My church is a part of the province of Rwanda, which is traditional, orthodox Anglicanism. I wouldn’t describe myself as evangelical for two reasons:

    Most evangelicals deny the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
    Most evangelicals flee liturgy, and insist instead upon being “Spirit-led” (which usually means terribly boring and emotionally driven, which ends up being emotionally shallow).

    I understand the supporting of Chick-fil-A because they donate to churches and schools, and agree with supporting them for that reason.
    I understand the desire to give business to other Christians, but I also think you should love non-Christians by giving business to them, so that’s a wash.
    I like good customer service, and so I would support them over another fast food place.
    I have never seen the styrofoam containers, but if they are still using that in places, it would seem obvious that they should stop.

    But at the end of the day, I eat fast food about 5 times a year, so it doesn’t really matter to me.

  • trotk

    I am Anglican, tODD, though I always feel the need to distance myself from Canterbury and the Episcopal Church (perhaps the way you might feel if someone assumed by the term Lutheran that you were ELCA). My church is a part of the province of Rwanda, which is traditional, orthodox Anglicanism. I wouldn’t describe myself as evangelical for two reasons:

    Most evangelicals deny the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
    Most evangelicals flee liturgy, and insist instead upon being “Spirit-led” (which usually means terribly boring and emotionally driven, which ends up being emotionally shallow).

    I understand the supporting of Chick-fil-A because they donate to churches and schools, and agree with supporting them for that reason.
    I understand the desire to give business to other Christians, but I also think you should love non-Christians by giving business to them, so that’s a wash.
    I like good customer service, and so I would support them over another fast food place.
    I have never seen the styrofoam containers, but if they are still using that in places, it would seem obvious that they should stop.

    But at the end of the day, I eat fast food about 5 times a year, so it doesn’t really matter to me.

  • Grace

    “I guess it all seems a bit odd to me as a Lutheran. Especially a Lutheran who, if he’s going to eat any fast food, will typically do so on Sunday, right after church.”

    So that’s where you people dine after church? who would have ever guessed?

    Do you ever go to brunch? .. they serve eggs benedict, and all the other great choices on real china, with champagne. . no plastic, paper or styrofoam – give it a try!

  • Grace

    “I guess it all seems a bit odd to me as a Lutheran. Especially a Lutheran who, if he’s going to eat any fast food, will typically do so on Sunday, right after church.”

    So that’s where you people dine after church? who would have ever guessed?

    Do you ever go to brunch? .. they serve eggs benedict, and all the other great choices on real china, with champagne. . no plastic, paper or styrofoam – give it a try!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Grace (@46), I couldn’t begin to speak for “us people”, but do keep in mind I have a nearly-two-year-old son that needs a nap very soon after lunch is over, and generally is not so much into the whole waiting aspect of dining (waiting to be seated, waiting for food to arrive, etc.). To say nothing of the fact that crowds at establishments that serve champagne, for some reason, don’t seem terribly thrilled when they see parents bringing in a toddler.

    So do forgive our predilection for fast food. For what it’s worth, we usually eat at local chain Burgerville, which makes more local and seasonal fare than the average fast food joint. We also enjoy bánh mì sandwiches. Sometimes, we take the family out to dim sum (but usually only if we have more than two adults in our party), as Chinese restaurants — especially the cavernous types that offer dim sum — tend to be much more accepting of cranky toddlers.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Grace (@46), I couldn’t begin to speak for “us people”, but do keep in mind I have a nearly-two-year-old son that needs a nap very soon after lunch is over, and generally is not so much into the whole waiting aspect of dining (waiting to be seated, waiting for food to arrive, etc.). To say nothing of the fact that crowds at establishments that serve champagne, for some reason, don’t seem terribly thrilled when they see parents bringing in a toddler.

    So do forgive our predilection for fast food. For what it’s worth, we usually eat at local chain Burgerville, which makes more local and seasonal fare than the average fast food joint. We also enjoy bánh mì sandwiches. Sometimes, we take the family out to dim sum (but usually only if we have more than two adults in our party), as Chinese restaurants — especially the cavernous types that offer dim sum — tend to be much more accepting of cranky toddlers.

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  • Tom Hering

    Real Lutherans eat at restaurants that offer a macaroni-based hot dish and a Jell-O salad. There they sit – they can do no other.

  • Tom Hering

    Real Lutherans eat at restaurants that offer a macaroni-based hot dish and a Jell-O salad. There they sit – they can do no other.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Trotk (@45), gotcha, thanks. I presume you’re referring to the ACiA, then?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Trotk (@45), gotcha, thanks. I presume you’re referring to the ACiA, then?

  • Porcell

    Careful, Grace, at 46, Todd, a Seattle liberal, would never admit to having a classy brunch. That would violate all the equality shibboleths. Better to go to Wendys and feel virtuous, though he does sometimes aver that he has somehow developed, God forbid, a taste for gourmet food.

  • Porcell

    Careful, Grace, at 46, Todd, a Seattle liberal, would never admit to having a classy brunch. That would violate all the equality shibboleths. Better to go to Wendys and feel virtuous, though he does sometimes aver that he has somehow developed, God forbid, a taste for gourmet food.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Porcell said (@42), “Of course, you, who confuse being a left coast liberal and a WEls Christian could hardly understand this.” Oh good. That again.

    Go ahead, Peter, educate me. What about my being a “left coast liberal” is in contradiction with my being a “WEls Christian”?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Porcell said (@42), “Of course, you, who confuse being a left coast liberal and a WEls Christian could hardly understand this.” Oh good. That again.

    Go ahead, Peter, educate me. What about my being a “left coast liberal” is in contradiction with my being a “WEls Christian”?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Oh good, you’re at it again, Porcell (@50). You’re going to tell me what I think and pretend that you know better than me about me, even as you maintain that I live in Seattle — when I reminded you all of last week that you were mistaken in thinking I live in Washington state. Not that you’ll ever admit you got even that simple fact wrong, as you have stated that is not your practice. But it is indicative of the level of accuracy of your portrait of me.

    Anyhow, are you trying to make a point, or just an ass of yourself? Does “equality shibboleths” have semantic meaning to you beyond mere space-filler, and if so, (1) when have I ever averred such things, and how, for the love of Pete, does brunch violate them?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Oh good, you’re at it again, Porcell (@50). You’re going to tell me what I think and pretend that you know better than me about me, even as you maintain that I live in Seattle — when I reminded you all of last week that you were mistaken in thinking I live in Washington state. Not that you’ll ever admit you got even that simple fact wrong, as you have stated that is not your practice. But it is indicative of the level of accuracy of your portrait of me.

    Anyhow, are you trying to make a point, or just an ass of yourself? Does “equality shibboleths” have semantic meaning to you beyond mere space-filler, and if so, (1) when have I ever averred such things, and how, for the love of Pete, does brunch violate them?

  • Porcell

    Todd, at 51, one point would be that WELS is clearly opposed to homosexual behavior and marriage, while you, in vehement opposition to conservatives, ask the rhetorical question as to just how does homosexuality and marriage affect conservatives lives.

    You spuriously cite the two kingdoms argument though in truth Luther, Melanchthon and most other traditional Lutherans were adamantly opposed to homosexual behavior and marriage.

  • Porcell

    Todd, at 51, one point would be that WELS is clearly opposed to homosexual behavior and marriage, while you, in vehement opposition to conservatives, ask the rhetorical question as to just how does homosexuality and marriage affect conservatives lives.

    You spuriously cite the two kingdoms argument though in truth Luther, Melanchthon and most other traditional Lutherans were adamantly opposed to homosexual behavior and marriage.

  • WebMonk

    And yup, Porcell continues to refuse to acknowledge even tiny mistakes.

    tODD, I can’t possibly believe you’re going to accomplish anything worthwhile for yourself, for him, or for any readers by wrestling around in the mud with Pete.

  • WebMonk

    And yup, Porcell continues to refuse to acknowledge even tiny mistakes.

    tODD, I can’t possibly believe you’re going to accomplish anything worthwhile for yourself, for him, or for any readers by wrestling around in the mud with Pete.

  • Grace

    WebMonk – 54

    “And yup, Porcell continues to refuse to acknowledge even tiny mistakes. tODD, I can’t possibly believe you’re going to accomplish anything worthwhile for yourself, for him, or for any readers by wrestling around in the mud with Pete.”

    It wouldn’t be the first time tODD tried to lure someone into his mud hole, it never serves him well, and it certainly doesn’t help your position, as you longingly wish for a dip into the mud yourself.

  • Grace

    WebMonk – 54

    “And yup, Porcell continues to refuse to acknowledge even tiny mistakes. tODD, I can’t possibly believe you’re going to accomplish anything worthwhile for yourself, for him, or for any readers by wrestling around in the mud with Pete.”

    It wouldn’t be the first time tODD tried to lure someone into his mud hole, it never serves him well, and it certainly doesn’t help your position, as you longingly wish for a dip into the mud yourself.

  • Tom Hering

    Someone who repeatedly brought up Luther and the Jews, regardless of thread topic, shouldn’t criticize others for wanting to wrestle in the mud.

  • Tom Hering

    Someone who repeatedly brought up Luther and the Jews, regardless of thread topic, shouldn’t criticize others for wanting to wrestle in the mud.

  • Grace

    Tom Herring – 56 — “Someone who repeatedly brought up Luther and the Jews, regardless of thread topic, shouldn’t criticize others for wanting to wrestle in the mud.”

    Is that what Luther represents, mud wrestling? — Another Herring non sequitur .

  • Grace

    Tom Herring – 56 — “Someone who repeatedly brought up Luther and the Jews, regardless of thread topic, shouldn’t criticize others for wanting to wrestle in the mud.”

    Is that what Luther represents, mud wrestling? — Another Herring non sequitur .

  • Tom Hering

    Non sequitur, Grace? I guess you can see my remark @ 56 as irrelevant to your comment @ 55 if you want to. And I’m sure you want to.

  • Tom Hering

    Non sequitur, Grace? I guess you can see my remark @ 56 as irrelevant to your comment @ 55 if you want to. And I’m sure you want to.

  • Grace

    Tom –

    Mix and match it anyway you like. This is nothing but a hobby for you, repeatedly …. I find it boring and non productive.

  • Grace

    Tom –

    Mix and match it anyway you like. This is nothing but a hobby for you, repeatedly …. I find it boring and non productive.

  • Tom Hering

    Of course it’s non-productive. But I can’t believe you find it boring, as you never fail to engage others for their supposed love of mud.

  • Tom Hering

    Of course it’s non-productive. But I can’t believe you find it boring, as you never fail to engage others for their supposed love of mud.

  • trotk

    tODD, I have the nicest setup. Like you, I have little kids who need naps (2.5 and 4 years) plus a pregnant wife who enjoys the rest that a quiet home gives. Our little church eats together every Sunday (we all just bring something to contribute), and thus we get home and don’t have to worry about lunch.

    Plus, there is something special about going through the liturgy together, praying together, partaking of the Eucharist together, and then eating together. It seems like lunch is just an extension of the readings and sermon, as they continue to be discussed. But then again, we are only a handful of families with loads of little kids, so it works for everyone.

  • trotk

    tODD, I have the nicest setup. Like you, I have little kids who need naps (2.5 and 4 years) plus a pregnant wife who enjoys the rest that a quiet home gives. Our little church eats together every Sunday (we all just bring something to contribute), and thus we get home and don’t have to worry about lunch.

    Plus, there is something special about going through the liturgy together, praying together, partaking of the Eucharist together, and then eating together. It seems like lunch is just an extension of the readings and sermon, as they continue to be discussed. But then again, we are only a handful of families with loads of little kids, so it works for everyone.

  • trotk

    tODD, we are actually AMiA (that may have been what you meant).

  • trotk

    tODD, we are actually AMiA (that may have been what you meant).

  • Trey

    I guess I will have to eat more (wait for it) Chikin from my favorite fast food place to parry this boycott.

  • Trey

    I guess I will have to eat more (wait for it) Chikin from my favorite fast food place to parry this boycott.

  • Tom Hering

    “… as one interested in good spelling, I really must take issue with the very name of the corporation …” – Todd @ 25.

    Ahh, the spelling of business names. I think I was watching overnight educational broadcasting on public TV – a series on the history of the Klu Klux Klan specifically – when (if I remember correctly) it was mentioned that the substitution of a “K” for a hard “C” in a name got its start in the early 20th century, when the Klan was respectable and very widespread. The “K” substitution was a way of advertising the fact that the owner of a business was a Klan member. Can anyone confirm this?

  • Tom Hering

    “… as one interested in good spelling, I really must take issue with the very name of the corporation …” – Todd @ 25.

    Ahh, the spelling of business names. I think I was watching overnight educational broadcasting on public TV – a series on the history of the Klu Klux Klan specifically – when (if I remember correctly) it was mentioned that the substitution of a “K” for a hard “C” in a name got its start in the early 20th century, when the Klan was respectable and very widespread. The “K” substitution was a way of advertising the fact that the owner of a business was a Klan member. Can anyone confirm this?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Trotk (@61), sounds nice, perhaps like what Paul intended (but was not taking place) in 1 Cor. 11. Our church has the occasional potluck during the year, and I think does soup dinners before Lenten services, too (I don’t know, because such services take place when my son is in bed). And yes, I meant AMiA.

    I also forgot to tell Tom that I enjoyed his “There they sit – they can do no other” comment (@48). I suppose true Lutherans engage in Jell-O wrestling. With marshmallows.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Trotk (@61), sounds nice, perhaps like what Paul intended (but was not taking place) in 1 Cor. 11. Our church has the occasional potluck during the year, and I think does soup dinners before Lenten services, too (I don’t know, because such services take place when my son is in bed). And yes, I meant AMiA.

    I also forgot to tell Tom that I enjoyed his “There they sit – they can do no other” comment (@48). I suppose true Lutherans engage in Jell-O wrestling. With marshmallows.

  • Tom Hering

    “… true Lutherans engage in Jell-O wrestling. With marshmallows.”

    But do they wear thongs?

  • Tom Hering

    “… true Lutherans engage in Jell-O wrestling. With marshmallows.”

    But do they wear thongs?

  • SKPeterson

    @Tom #66 – not jello wrestling but jello tossing to my recollection. Usually a raisin/carrot construct launched via plastic spoon. But, then again I grew up ELCA, so maybe we weren’t as fastidious as Todd and the WELS bunch. ;)

    As to the hard K in Chik-Fil-A, why stop at assinuations about K for the Klan? Why Fil-A and not Filet? Maybe Fil is short for inFILtrate and A is for AmeriKa. So, Chik-fil-A is actually a cover for how the Klan will infiltrate America – by selling grilled chicken sandwiches to the unsuspecting American populace (but not on Sundays, of course).

  • SKPeterson

    @Tom #66 – not jello wrestling but jello tossing to my recollection. Usually a raisin/carrot construct launched via plastic spoon. But, then again I grew up ELCA, so maybe we weren’t as fastidious as Todd and the WELS bunch. ;)

    As to the hard K in Chik-Fil-A, why stop at assinuations about K for the Klan? Why Fil-A and not Filet? Maybe Fil is short for inFILtrate and A is for AmeriKa. So, Chik-fil-A is actually a cover for how the Klan will infiltrate America – by selling grilled chicken sandwiches to the unsuspecting American populace (but not on Sundays, of course).

  • Tom Hering

    SKPeterson, I’m surprised that an ELCA Jell-O salad would contain carrots and raisins. Something symbolically shriveled. We of Missouri use carrots and walnuts.

    The Online Symbolism Dictionary:

    The nut itself, which in many fairy tales and legends contains secret riches, is of considerable symbolic importance in general: a hard shell surrounds valuable contents.

  • Tom Hering

    SKPeterson, I’m surprised that an ELCA Jell-O salad would contain carrots and raisins. Something symbolically shriveled. We of Missouri use carrots and walnuts.

    The Online Symbolism Dictionary:

    The nut itself, which in many fairy tales and legends contains secret riches, is of considerable symbolic importance in general: a hard shell surrounds valuable contents.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Tom (@64), SK (@67), you do realize it’s spelled “Chick-fil-A”, not “Chik-fil-A”, right?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Tom (@64), SK (@67), you do realize it’s spelled “Chick-fil-A”, not “Chik-fil-A”, right?

  • Tom Hering

    Duh! As in “Chick tracts.” I should have realized.

  • Tom Hering

    Duh! As in “Chick tracts.” I should have realized.

  • http://journeytoluther.blogspot.com/ moallen

    I boycott Jack-in-the-box. The food is not edible. Recently, I have boycotted Chic-Fil-A because I determined I need to lose some weight and am not sure there are any real options with that goal in mind. But their food is good. I recently read how we should boycott “organic” foods because they are becoming part of the giant corporate profiteers, although we still buy organic milk despite their evil money grubbing habits. I once worked on a student film where Chick-fil-A donated the food. I thought the student film was subpar and slightly mocking towards some aspects of Christianity (I believe it had a smoking nun in it who was not portrayed in a positive light!) so it’s a wonder I ever ate there again. ;-)

  • http://journeytoluther.blogspot.com/ moallen

    I boycott Jack-in-the-box. The food is not edible. Recently, I have boycotted Chic-Fil-A because I determined I need to lose some weight and am not sure there are any real options with that goal in mind. But their food is good. I recently read how we should boycott “organic” foods because they are becoming part of the giant corporate profiteers, although we still buy organic milk despite their evil money grubbing habits. I once worked on a student film where Chick-fil-A donated the food. I thought the student film was subpar and slightly mocking towards some aspects of Christianity (I believe it had a smoking nun in it who was not portrayed in a positive light!) so it’s a wonder I ever ate there again. ;-)

  • Tom Hering

    moallen @ 71: Congratulations on your “Journey to Luther” blog. Very nice. :-)

  • Tom Hering

    moallen @ 71: Congratulations on your “Journey to Luther” blog. Very nice. :-)

  • http://journeytoluther.blogspot.com/ moallen

    Tom @72 – thank you – glad you like it.

  • http://journeytoluther.blogspot.com/ moallen

    Tom @72 – thank you – glad you like it.

  • Booklover

    Well, I learned one thing from reading this blog and that’s how to pronounce “Chick-fil-A.” If they would have just called it Chick Filet, I would have known how to pronounce it. We don’t have any up north, so I always pronounced it “chick-FILL-a”, with that last “a” being a schwa. I was confused, and probably wouldn’t have entered a place with such a strange name. Kind of like the place that did nails and called itself the “Grand F-Nail-E.” Too weird for me.

  • Booklover

    Well, I learned one thing from reading this blog and that’s how to pronounce “Chick-fil-A.” If they would have just called it Chick Filet, I would have known how to pronounce it. We don’t have any up north, so I always pronounced it “chick-FILL-a”, with that last “a” being a schwa. I was confused, and probably wouldn’t have entered a place with such a strange name. Kind of like the place that did nails and called itself the “Grand F-Nail-E.” Too weird for me.

  • Booklover

    So, Tom @48, have you ever seen the musical play, “Church Basement Ladies?” We about laughed our guts out.

  • Booklover

    So, Tom @48, have you ever seen the musical play, “Church Basement Ladies?” We about laughed our guts out.

  • Pete

    A plug for Hardee’s. Their chicken strips are very good. They won me over with their ad (this is advertising doing its job) on TV with a chicken walking around while the question is being asked, “Where are the nuggets – chickens don’t HAVE nuggets. Come to Hardee’s for real chicken strips.” So, not being a frequenter of said fast food chain, I visited. The strips (they come in 3′s or 5′s) are indeed quite good. An added bonus was that, over the holidays, they were very intentional about wishing their customers Merry Christmas.

    What a great blog thread this is!

  • Pete

    A plug for Hardee’s. Their chicken strips are very good. They won me over with their ad (this is advertising doing its job) on TV with a chicken walking around while the question is being asked, “Where are the nuggets – chickens don’t HAVE nuggets. Come to Hardee’s for real chicken strips.” So, not being a frequenter of said fast food chain, I visited. The strips (they come in 3′s or 5′s) are indeed quite good. An added bonus was that, over the holidays, they were very intentional about wishing their customers Merry Christmas.

    What a great blog thread this is!

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    UPS.
    (Webmonk #21)

  • http://www.redeemedrambling.blogspot.com/ John

    UPS.
    (Webmonk #21)

  • SKPeterson

    @Todd #69 – Of course it’s spelled Chick, but why be careful when you can say ChiK and get that conspiratorial K in the mix? I mean, we need reasons to boycott and not the fluffy reasons given by moallen. I’m talking real, valid REASONS. I’d like to boycott Taco Bell and switch to Taco Bueno, but there are no Buenos in east Tennessee, so the monopolists at the Bell will get my dollar. BUT UNDER PROTEST, mister!

  • SKPeterson

    @Todd #69 – Of course it’s spelled Chick, but why be careful when you can say ChiK and get that conspiratorial K in the mix? I mean, we need reasons to boycott and not the fluffy reasons given by moallen. I’m talking real, valid REASONS. I’d like to boycott Taco Bell and switch to Taco Bueno, but there are no Buenos in east Tennessee, so the monopolists at the Bell will get my dollar. BUT UNDER PROTEST, mister!

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Taco Bueno? I’ve never heard of that chain, and I’ve lived in the southwest USA my whole life. Whatever it is, it’s probably just as inauthentic is Taco Bell..

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Taco Bueno? I’ve never heard of that chain, and I’ve lived in the southwest USA my whole life. Whatever it is, it’s probably just as inauthentic is Taco Bell..

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  • Tom Hering

    “Taco Bell was the only restaurant to survive the Franchise Wars. Now all restaurants are Taco Bell.” – Lenina Huxley, Demolition Man.

  • Tom Hering

    “Taco Bell was the only restaurant to survive the Franchise Wars. Now all restaurants are Taco Bell.” – Lenina Huxley, Demolition Man.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Ah, Taco Bueno! I haven’t had that since high school.

    Anyhow, enjoy your 35%-to-88% beef product, SK (@78)!

    And Mike, I’ll have you know that Taco Bell is very authentic! Why, it’s “Mexican inspired” [source: Taco Bell advertising]!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Ah, Taco Bueno! I haven’t had that since high school.

    Anyhow, enjoy your 35%-to-88% beef product, SK (@78)!

    And Mike, I’ll have you know that Taco Bell is very authentic! Why, it’s “Mexican inspired” [source: Taco Bell advertising]!

  • DonS

    All right, since I work across the street from the international headquarters of Taco Bell, a division of YUM! Brands, I feel compelled to come to its defense. Who here is arguing that Taco Bell is inauthentic? Have you not enjoyed an authentic CRUNCHWRAP food product? It doesn’t get any more Mexican than that, for goodness sake!

    And what’s the deal with complaining about 35-88% beef product? Aren’t oats better for you than that nasty beef anyway? The food police should be very pleased.

    Seriously, Irvine is also the home of In ‘n Out Burgers. Now, there’s a fast food chain.

  • DonS

    All right, since I work across the street from the international headquarters of Taco Bell, a division of YUM! Brands, I feel compelled to come to its defense. Who here is arguing that Taco Bell is inauthentic? Have you not enjoyed an authentic CRUNCHWRAP food product? It doesn’t get any more Mexican than that, for goodness sake!

    And what’s the deal with complaining about 35-88% beef product? Aren’t oats better for you than that nasty beef anyway? The food police should be very pleased.

    Seriously, Irvine is also the home of In ‘n Out Burgers. Now, there’s a fast food chain.

  • Tom Hering

    Todd and Don, call your lawyers.

    “We plan to take legal action for the false statements being made about our food.”/Statement-Regarding-Class-Action-Lawsuit

  • Tom Hering

    Todd and Don, call your lawyers.

    “We plan to take legal action for the false statements being made about our food.”/Statement-Regarding-Class-Action-Lawsuit

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    Shirley. You jest.

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    wow. I am coming into this late..

    did i hear someone mentioning banning gay cloggers?

    Shirley. You jest.

    i am in brasil. so obviously I need to be a part of this righeous chic-a -fil boycott! I can righeously predict that I will NEVER EVER darken the door of one of those fowl establishments!

    (until i get back to the usa and have time to shower and unpack… Shhhhhhhhh!)

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