Is this an e-mail to mock?

One of the 25,000 or so e-mails that Sarah Palin’s detractors are making fun of is this one that she wrote to her family about how her new baby Trig has Downs Syndrome: The One Sarah Palin E-mail We Cannot Stop Thinking About | VF Daily | Vanity Fair.

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Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Alan

    I do not think God would mock this. Therefore, we should not.

  • Alan

    I do not think God would mock this. Therefore, we should not.

  • SKPeterson

    My guess is that Mrs. Palin did not write this, but this is a “form email” that people can use to send to friends and family to explain the situation with the child. Reading into it that she was impersonating God is a bit of a stretch. It is a gentle way to say that they are aware of the situation and don’t have a pity party for those poor Palins.

  • SKPeterson

    My guess is that Mrs. Palin did not write this, but this is a “form email” that people can use to send to friends and family to explain the situation with the child. Reading into it that she was impersonating God is a bit of a stretch. It is a gentle way to say that they are aware of the situation and don’t have a pity party for those poor Palins.

  • Jeremy

    Democrats don’t dislike Sarah Palin because she has a kid with Down Syndrome. They dislike her because they think she is unqualified to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. In any other country, I doubt you could find 10% of the population who think she’s qualified to lead a country. I have to say there is a certain irony that the Religious Right has selected a woman and her little husband at home as their leaders.

  • Jeremy

    Democrats don’t dislike Sarah Palin because she has a kid with Down Syndrome. They dislike her because they think she is unqualified to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. In any other country, I doubt you could find 10% of the population who think she’s qualified to lead a country. I have to say there is a certain irony that the Religious Right has selected a woman and her little husband at home as their leaders.

  • Joe

    I think the world ought to give her a little leeway on this email. It is after all the email of a mother trying to come to grips with the fact that she is going to have a baby with Downs Syndrome.

  • Joe

    I think the world ought to give her a little leeway on this email. It is after all the email of a mother trying to come to grips with the fact that she is going to have a baby with Downs Syndrome.

  • Sarah Fowler

    I think it’s odd everyone is jumping on this email now. The email, I believe in it’s entirety, is in her memoir! She talks briefly about learning her son had Down Syndrome and mainly used this email to explain how she and Todd handled it. Way to be two years behind, mainstream media.

  • Sarah Fowler

    I think it’s odd everyone is jumping on this email now. The email, I believe in it’s entirety, is in her memoir! She talks briefly about learning her son had Down Syndrome and mainly used this email to explain how she and Todd handled it. Way to be two years behind, mainstream media.

  • Steve Billingsley

    Palin Derangement Syndrome. I just don’t get it. If you don’t think she should be President and if she runs, don’t vote for her. How hard is that?

  • Steve Billingsley

    Palin Derangement Syndrome. I just don’t get it. If you don’t think she should be President and if she runs, don’t vote for her. How hard is that?

  • Cincinnatus

    If it wasn’t already, the press coverage of Sarah Palin has become utterly embarrassing. Is this what we consider hard-hitting investigative journalism these days? Crowd-sourcing a voyeuristic dig through the mundane (and often personal) email correspondence of a political has-been who isn’t running for office, who has no chance of winning office, who has no power, and who isn’t even seriously suspected of scandal. We might as well be sifting through the personal emails or Paris Hilton or Simon Cowell.

    Mark this: I’m not standing up for Sarah Palin. I think she’s little more than a celebrity who has according imbibed the good feelings and attention celebrity brings and asked for far more of the stuff than she needs and that we can tolerate. I would not support her candidacy for any office (though I doubt she would be more harmful to the country than all the other frauds, philanderers, and charlatans currently occupying higher office these days).

    But the media circus is one of the most depressing things I’ve seen in my (admittedly short) life. For the last three years straight, I don’t think a single day has gone by without multiple Palin editorials (which, of course, have nothing meaningful to say or opine), news reports, or television appearances. Of course, she’s done her part to make sure this is the case, but I have friends in New York journalism right now, and the obsession is just inexplicable. It takes two to tango, and if you needed evidence that American journalism counts for naught, just have a glance at the coverage of Palin.

  • Cincinnatus

    If it wasn’t already, the press coverage of Sarah Palin has become utterly embarrassing. Is this what we consider hard-hitting investigative journalism these days? Crowd-sourcing a voyeuristic dig through the mundane (and often personal) email correspondence of a political has-been who isn’t running for office, who has no chance of winning office, who has no power, and who isn’t even seriously suspected of scandal. We might as well be sifting through the personal emails or Paris Hilton or Simon Cowell.

    Mark this: I’m not standing up for Sarah Palin. I think she’s little more than a celebrity who has according imbibed the good feelings and attention celebrity brings and asked for far more of the stuff than she needs and that we can tolerate. I would not support her candidacy for any office (though I doubt she would be more harmful to the country than all the other frauds, philanderers, and charlatans currently occupying higher office these days).

    But the media circus is one of the most depressing things I’ve seen in my (admittedly short) life. For the last three years straight, I don’t think a single day has gone by without multiple Palin editorials (which, of course, have nothing meaningful to say or opine), news reports, or television appearances. Of course, she’s done her part to make sure this is the case, but I have friends in New York journalism right now, and the obsession is just inexplicable. It takes two to tango, and if you needed evidence that American journalism counts for naught, just have a glance at the coverage of Palin.

  • Cincinnatus

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  • Dennis Peskey

    “Is this an E-Mail to mock?” NO
    If you’ve done this, repent and help you neighbor who had enough faith to raise such a child as a gift from God.

    If your reading Vanity Fair – repent.

    Pax,
    Dennis

  • Dennis Peskey

    “Is this an E-Mail to mock?” NO
    If you’ve done this, repent and help you neighbor who had enough faith to raise such a child as a gift from God.

    If your reading Vanity Fair – repent.

    Pax,
    Dennis

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    I think this whole thing about Sarah Palins Emails and that the whole country just gets to pour through them to see what they can find is atrocious. So far her folder seems to be more innocent than mine…
    If that is the worse they can come up with we ought to saint the woman. I had some objections to it’s overall assumptions about God and the world. But I can’t help but thinking, Bravo and way to go, you are right in your assumptions as to what Trig is going to do for your family. And thank you for sharing, because the world needs to hear that these are people who have more to offer the world than most of us.

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    I think this whole thing about Sarah Palins Emails and that the whole country just gets to pour through them to see what they can find is atrocious. So far her folder seems to be more innocent than mine…
    If that is the worse they can come up with we ought to saint the woman. I had some objections to it’s overall assumptions about God and the world. But I can’t help but thinking, Bravo and way to go, you are right in your assumptions as to what Trig is going to do for your family. And thank you for sharing, because the world needs to hear that these are people who have more to offer the world than most of us.

  • DonS

    This whole episode is yet another pathetic indictment of our press and our culture.

    Jeremy @ 3 — why do you “dislike” someone because you believe they are unqualified for a certain position? I don’t understand the visceral hatred of this woman from the first moment that she came into public life. And I guess I also don’t understand why these same Democrats think that Obama was qualified to be president.

  • DonS

    This whole episode is yet another pathetic indictment of our press and our culture.

    Jeremy @ 3 — why do you “dislike” someone because you believe they are unqualified for a certain position? I don’t understand the visceral hatred of this woman from the first moment that she came into public life. And I guess I also don’t understand why these same Democrats think that Obama was qualified to be president.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    DonS says (@11) that “This whole episode is yet another pathetic indictment of our press and our culture.” But, having read the actual Vanity Fair article Veith links to, I really don’t see how they can be accused of “mocking” or “making fun of” this email. In fact, from the few stories I’ve read about the emails, I really haven’t seen the press “making fun of” much of anything — primarily because there isn’t much to make fun of. So are you all holding the entire press accountable for what Internet commenters are saying at that link, or am I missing something? Who’s mocking what, exactly?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    DonS says (@11) that “This whole episode is yet another pathetic indictment of our press and our culture.” But, having read the actual Vanity Fair article Veith links to, I really don’t see how they can be accused of “mocking” or “making fun of” this email. In fact, from the few stories I’ve read about the emails, I really haven’t seen the press “making fun of” much of anything — primarily because there isn’t much to make fun of. So are you all holding the entire press accountable for what Internet commenters are saying at that link, or am I missing something? Who’s mocking what, exactly?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    DonS also said (@11):

    I don’t understand the visceral hatred of this woman from the first moment that she came into public life.

    Then you’re not trying very hard. It seems to me to be roughly the same “visceral hatred” that can be found in equal quantities and quality on the “right” side of the aisle for, oh, Obama, Gore, Pelosi, anybody named Clinton, etc.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    DonS also said (@11):

    I don’t understand the visceral hatred of this woman from the first moment that she came into public life.

    Then you’re not trying very hard. It seems to me to be roughly the same “visceral hatred” that can be found in equal quantities and quality on the “right” side of the aisle for, oh, Obama, Gore, Pelosi, anybody named Clinton, etc.

  • DonS

    tODD @ 13: I’m not sure I get your point. Because people also hate other people, that should make it understandable? We were talking about Palin. But, to be clear, apparently for your benefit, I don’t understand visceral personal hatred for anyone.

  • DonS

    tODD @ 13: I’m not sure I get your point. Because people also hate other people, that should make it understandable? We were talking about Palin. But, to be clear, apparently for your benefit, I don’t understand visceral personal hatred for anyone.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Cincinnatus (@7), I understand where you’re coming from, but I do think you’re ignoring the context of this email dump.

    Crowd-sourcing a voyeuristic dig through the mundane (and often personal) email correspondence of a political has-been who isn’t running for office, who has no chance of winning office, who has no power, and who isn’t even seriously suspected of scandal.

    Right, but these emails were requested when Palin was running for (national) office, and was very much considered to have a chance at winning that office (vice president, lest we forget). She was also governor of Alaska at that time, and, as such, had power. She was also suspected of scandal at that time, which is why she subsequently ceased to be governor of Alaska.

    That the emails took three years to be released is certainly … interesting … and I don’t know whether to chalk it up to government incompetence, government malevolence, or conspiracy between Palin and Alaska to keep her name in the media in advance of a considered run for the Republican nomination. But I suspect it’s at least one of those three. None of which is the media’s fault.

    I suppose what everyone here expected to happen was, now that Alaska has finally delivered the requested emails three years later, the media would just ignore them all, since Palin is a political nobody. Of course, I know for a fact that quite a few people here do not consider her a nobody, in which case I believe the media is justified in their curiosity regarding the emails. Whatever. I would have looked them over, too. It’s not every day you get data handed to you.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Cincinnatus (@7), I understand where you’re coming from, but I do think you’re ignoring the context of this email dump.

    Crowd-sourcing a voyeuristic dig through the mundane (and often personal) email correspondence of a political has-been who isn’t running for office, who has no chance of winning office, who has no power, and who isn’t even seriously suspected of scandal.

    Right, but these emails were requested when Palin was running for (national) office, and was very much considered to have a chance at winning that office (vice president, lest we forget). She was also governor of Alaska at that time, and, as such, had power. She was also suspected of scandal at that time, which is why she subsequently ceased to be governor of Alaska.

    That the emails took three years to be released is certainly … interesting … and I don’t know whether to chalk it up to government incompetence, government malevolence, or conspiracy between Palin and Alaska to keep her name in the media in advance of a considered run for the Republican nomination. But I suspect it’s at least one of those three. None of which is the media’s fault.

    I suppose what everyone here expected to happen was, now that Alaska has finally delivered the requested emails three years later, the media would just ignore them all, since Palin is a political nobody. Of course, I know for a fact that quite a few people here do not consider her a nobody, in which case I believe the media is justified in their curiosity regarding the emails. Whatever. I would have looked them over, too. It’s not every day you get data handed to you.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    DonS (@14) asked, “Because people also hate other people, that should make it understandable?” Well, yes. Not justifiable, mind you, but understandable. After all, I don’t recall your ever responding like you did (@11) after one of Carl Vehse’s visceral diatribes. So his “visceral hatred” seems unremarkable to you. But when such things are directed at Palin, you remark on it. Why is that?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    DonS (@14) asked, “Because people also hate other people, that should make it understandable?” Well, yes. Not justifiable, mind you, but understandable. After all, I don’t recall your ever responding like you did (@11) after one of Carl Vehse’s visceral diatribes. So his “visceral hatred” seems unremarkable to you. But when such things are directed at Palin, you remark on it. Why is that?

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    Wow, Really?
    Some days I half heartedly hope that she gets elected so that those who hate her can experience the horror many of us felt when Obama won.
    The hatred and disrespect towards Palin is far greater than that shown towards other politicians.
    I frequently hear her called the ‘C Word’ in public and private conversations, while I have only ever heard Obama called the “N Word” a couple of times and that was said quietly or under their breath.

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    Wow, Really?
    Some days I half heartedly hope that she gets elected so that those who hate her can experience the horror many of us felt when Obama won.
    The hatred and disrespect towards Palin is far greater than that shown towards other politicians.
    I frequently hear her called the ‘C Word’ in public and private conversations, while I have only ever heard Obama called the “N Word” a couple of times and that was said quietly or under their breath.

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    That being said I am still voting for Ron Paul.

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    That being said I am still voting for Ron Paul.

  • DonS

    tODD @ 16: Well, first of all, I am commenting on a blog post, which I am more wont to do than is the case for a blog comment. Usually, I only comment on blog comments after I have decided to comment on the post itself, and then only if it relates to the point I am trying to make. I allow a lot of commenter screed, whether from the left or the right, to pass without my comment.

    Second of all, let’s not confuse hatred for the person for hatred for the person’s ideas and actions. They are distinct. I was particularly directing my comments to what I consider to be the particular ill will shown to a mother blessed with a disabled child. If you want to hate Palin’s politics, hate away. But leave Trig out of it.

  • DonS

    tODD @ 16: Well, first of all, I am commenting on a blog post, which I am more wont to do than is the case for a blog comment. Usually, I only comment on blog comments after I have decided to comment on the post itself, and then only if it relates to the point I am trying to make. I allow a lot of commenter screed, whether from the left or the right, to pass without my comment.

    Second of all, let’s not confuse hatred for the person for hatred for the person’s ideas and actions. They are distinct. I was particularly directing my comments to what I consider to be the particular ill will shown to a mother blessed with a disabled child. If you want to hate Palin’s politics, hate away. But leave Trig out of it.

  • Jonathan

    @17 You actually felt “horror” when Obama was elected? Since your comment links to New Reformation Press, are you speaking for it?

  • Jonathan

    @17 You actually felt “horror” when Obama was elected? Since your comment links to New Reformation Press, are you speaking for it?

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    tODD@15
    Where are Obama’s emails, school records and such? Despite intense pressure he only just released his birth certificate. Why so long? He could have defused the whole controversy if he had released it when the question first came up.

    College transcripts are a regular part of any job application. Why are his records sealed?

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    tODD@15
    Where are Obama’s emails, school records and such? Despite intense pressure he only just released his birth certificate. Why so long? He could have defused the whole controversy if he had released it when the question first came up.

    College transcripts are a regular part of any job application. Why are his records sealed?

  • SKPeterson

    The VF article is fairly innocuous. The vitriol is in the commentary. It can safely be said that idiocy does not respect political points of view; it is equally well distributed throughout the Left, Right and In-Between.

  • SKPeterson

    The VF article is fairly innocuous. The vitriol is in the commentary. It can safely be said that idiocy does not respect political points of view; it is equally well distributed throughout the Left, Right and In-Between.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    I think Patrick (@17, 21), actually embodies fairly well what I was talking about (@13). He even equates his feelings for Obama with what he sees being directed at Palin:

    Some days I half heartedly hope that she gets elected so that those who hate her can experience the horror many of us felt when Obama won.

    And Don, I’ve read more than a few of your comments. I’m pretty certain you allow a lot more “commenter screed” from the right than you do the left. You’re biased. So am I. Can we just admit that?

    But if you’re so shocked by “visceral hatred”, if you truly find it so incomprehensible no matter who does it, why not comment on it when it comes from your “side”?

    You also said:

    I was particularly directing my comments to what I consider to be the particular ill will shown to a mother blessed with a disabled child.

    And yet you explicitly called (@11) this “whole episode … yet another pathetic indictment” not just of our culture but “of our press”. So, do tell, who in the press is showing “particular ill will shown to a mother blessed with a disabled child”? Please give evidence.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    I think Patrick (@17, 21), actually embodies fairly well what I was talking about (@13). He even equates his feelings for Obama with what he sees being directed at Palin:

    Some days I half heartedly hope that she gets elected so that those who hate her can experience the horror many of us felt when Obama won.

    And Don, I’ve read more than a few of your comments. I’m pretty certain you allow a lot more “commenter screed” from the right than you do the left. You’re biased. So am I. Can we just admit that?

    But if you’re so shocked by “visceral hatred”, if you truly find it so incomprehensible no matter who does it, why not comment on it when it comes from your “side”?

    You also said:

    I was particularly directing my comments to what I consider to be the particular ill will shown to a mother blessed with a disabled child.

    And yet you explicitly called (@11) this “whole episode … yet another pathetic indictment” not just of our culture but “of our press”. So, do tell, who in the press is showing “particular ill will shown to a mother blessed with a disabled child”? Please give evidence.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Patrick (@21) asked, “Where are Obama’s emails, school records and such?”

    You seem to think that “school records” — most notably, those from a private university — are subject to FOIA requests. Pretty sure they’re not.

    As to his emails, which ones are you referring to? Why not make a FOIA request for them yourself? There are plenty of Web sites that tell you how to do so effectively — it’s not just a tool for journalists, you know. But you should be looking for something in particular.

    “College transcripts are a regular part of any job application.” And how many presidents have released theirs? Do you know?

    “Despite intense pressure he only just released his birth certificate.” That’s not so. He only just released his long-form birth certificate. He released his short-form certificate three years ago. This did exactly nothing to “defuse the whole controversy”, as you well know.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Patrick (@21) asked, “Where are Obama’s emails, school records and such?”

    You seem to think that “school records” — most notably, those from a private university — are subject to FOIA requests. Pretty sure they’re not.

    As to his emails, which ones are you referring to? Why not make a FOIA request for them yourself? There are plenty of Web sites that tell you how to do so effectively — it’s not just a tool for journalists, you know. But you should be looking for something in particular.

    “College transcripts are a regular part of any job application.” And how many presidents have released theirs? Do you know?

    “Despite intense pressure he only just released his birth certificate.” That’s not so. He only just released his long-form birth certificate. He released his short-form certificate three years ago. This did exactly nothing to “defuse the whole controversy”, as you well know.

  • Tom Hering

    Huh. I thought the short form was released during Paul Revere’s ride.

  • Tom Hering

    Huh. I thought the short form was released during Paul Revere’s ride.

  • Joe

    Tom @ 25 – Historian confirms Palin was correct re: Paul Revere’s ride. http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1343353

    tODD @ 15 public records requests always take a long time unless you are very specific in what you are asking for. I have to do a number of them at both the state and federal levels for my practice. It is usually a matter of staff availability and volume. It is less interesting, than it is frustrating.

    I just wish we could stop talking about Palin unless and until she announces her candidacy. That she bought/rented a bus and wants to drive around the country is really a non-story in my view. I don’t really give to #*$&s about her little tour.

  • Joe

    Tom @ 25 – Historian confirms Palin was correct re: Paul Revere’s ride. http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1343353

    tODD @ 15 public records requests always take a long time unless you are very specific in what you are asking for. I have to do a number of them at both the state and federal levels for my practice. It is usually a matter of staff availability and volume. It is less interesting, than it is frustrating.

    I just wish we could stop talking about Palin unless and until she announces her candidacy. That she bought/rented a bus and wants to drive around the country is really a non-story in my view. I don’t really give to #*$&s about her little tour.

  • Tom Hering

    Joe, that just shows how the conservative media elite are conspiring with her to create … something. (I’m still working on my theory.)

  • Tom Hering

    Joe, that just shows how the conservative media elite are conspiring with her to create … something. (I’m still working on my theory.)

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Joe (@26), of course, you’re contributing to the conversation about Palin. :) See, she’s hard to ignore, even if you’re just complaining about her!

    I do think what it’ll really take to get her to go away is for more Republicans to start decrying her. She thrives, of course, on any negative attention from the left or the media (all you conservatives, together now: “Same thing!”). But Republicans generally don’t want to get on her bad side — at least not the prominent ones. Because she has some pretty decent influence with not a few voters that those other Republicans would like.

    Which means that the only sure way to get her to go away is to have her run for the GOP ticket and be soundly defeated.

    And yeah, I’m generally aware of FOIA requests taking “a long time”, but three years? Tell me you’ve experienced delays like that.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Joe (@26), of course, you’re contributing to the conversation about Palin. :) See, she’s hard to ignore, even if you’re just complaining about her!

    I do think what it’ll really take to get her to go away is for more Republicans to start decrying her. She thrives, of course, on any negative attention from the left or the media (all you conservatives, together now: “Same thing!”). But Republicans generally don’t want to get on her bad side — at least not the prominent ones. Because she has some pretty decent influence with not a few voters that those other Republicans would like.

    Which means that the only sure way to get her to go away is to have her run for the GOP ticket and be soundly defeated.

    And yeah, I’m generally aware of FOIA requests taking “a long time”, but three years? Tell me you’ve experienced delays like that.

  • Cincinnatus

    tODD, admit it. Sarah Palin is a media circus, and it’s not simply because she happens to be a dancing bear. There are lots of dancing bears out there, some much more entertaining than she is. The media–liberals and conservatives, reporters and bloggers, pundits and talk-show hosts–are obsessed. It’s not simply that she wants the attention; the media (and apparently their audience) want to give it to her. In the past three years, we’ve had wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, volcanoes, airline crashes, actual scandals, depressions, recessions, tornadoes, etc.–all of which have passed gracefully from the news. And yet Sarah Palin remains. If she launches a meaningless bus tour, the Sun–and every other blogger, reporter, and “journalist”–is there. They relish it. They proclaim, with no basis whatsoever, that she is the leader of the Republican party. When she is not dancing, innumerable bloggers still insist upon writing prominent and visceral pieces about her antics, her unfitness for rule, her general silliness.

    We get it. Now shut up, all of you.

    I may be exaggerating if I claimed that she’s gotten more coverage from this than WikiLeaks, but seriously. Nonstop for three years.

  • Cincinnatus

    tODD, admit it. Sarah Palin is a media circus, and it’s not simply because she happens to be a dancing bear. There are lots of dancing bears out there, some much more entertaining than she is. The media–liberals and conservatives, reporters and bloggers, pundits and talk-show hosts–are obsessed. It’s not simply that she wants the attention; the media (and apparently their audience) want to give it to her. In the past three years, we’ve had wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, volcanoes, airline crashes, actual scandals, depressions, recessions, tornadoes, etc.–all of which have passed gracefully from the news. And yet Sarah Palin remains. If she launches a meaningless bus tour, the Sun–and every other blogger, reporter, and “journalist”–is there. They relish it. They proclaim, with no basis whatsoever, that she is the leader of the Republican party. When she is not dancing, innumerable bloggers still insist upon writing prominent and visceral pieces about her antics, her unfitness for rule, her general silliness.

    We get it. Now shut up, all of you.

    I may be exaggerating if I claimed that she’s gotten more coverage from this than WikiLeaks, but seriously. Nonstop for three years.

  • Tom Hering

    We liberals hate to admit she’s awfully sexy. So we condemn her to convince ourselves we really aren’t attracted to her.

  • Tom Hering

    We liberals hate to admit she’s awfully sexy. So we condemn her to convince ourselves we really aren’t attracted to her.

  • SKPeterson

    I’ve got a suggestion. Controversial to be sure, but one that nips this issue in the bud: repeal the 19th Amendment. Then we can go back to the clean, upright, elevated political campaigning this nation grew up on.

  • SKPeterson

    I’ve got a suggestion. Controversial to be sure, but one that nips this issue in the bud: repeal the 19th Amendment. Then we can go back to the clean, upright, elevated political campaigning this nation grew up on.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Cincinnatus (@29), who’s denying the circus atmosphere? Not me! Yes, the media loves her — because the people love to hear about her! Every story provokes an emotional response, and with it, many an advertising dollar. She and the media form a perfectly symbiotic storm, each addicted to the other and unable to live without them.

    Still, for all the hue and cry from those of you on the vaguely right-hand side of things, I believe you forget one thing: the woman was the 2008 Republican nominee for vice president!

    In other words, she’s not just another candidate, one among handfuls of equals. She’s the one who’s gotten closer to holding national executive power than any other candidate out there. Much as you or I may wish to write her off into the sunset, she’s not merely a “dancing bear”. Neither of us may take her seriously, but, and this bears repeating, she was the 2008 Republican nominee for vice president! That’s a whole lot of cred, a whole lot of gravitas, a whole lot of branding. Now, you can see that (as I do) as being horribly embarrassing for the Republican party — or at least the Republican party of 2008.

    But do have some sense of perspective here. She’s not just another Lyndon LaRouche or Jimmy McMillan. She is, and I’ll say this one last time, the most recent Republican nominee for vice president!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Cincinnatus (@29), who’s denying the circus atmosphere? Not me! Yes, the media loves her — because the people love to hear about her! Every story provokes an emotional response, and with it, many an advertising dollar. She and the media form a perfectly symbiotic storm, each addicted to the other and unable to live without them.

    Still, for all the hue and cry from those of you on the vaguely right-hand side of things, I believe you forget one thing: the woman was the 2008 Republican nominee for vice president!

    In other words, she’s not just another candidate, one among handfuls of equals. She’s the one who’s gotten closer to holding national executive power than any other candidate out there. Much as you or I may wish to write her off into the sunset, she’s not merely a “dancing bear”. Neither of us may take her seriously, but, and this bears repeating, she was the 2008 Republican nominee for vice president! That’s a whole lot of cred, a whole lot of gravitas, a whole lot of branding. Now, you can see that (as I do) as being horribly embarrassing for the Republican party — or at least the Republican party of 2008.

    But do have some sense of perspective here. She’s not just another Lyndon LaRouche or Jimmy McMillan. She is, and I’ll say this one last time, the most recent Republican nominee for vice president!

  • Jon

    Sorry, but I personally doubt Trig is hers. I’ve read the portions of “Going Rogue” where she describes the birth event and I’ve seen the reports about the e-mails. It doesn’t add up how she was TX when her water broke, etc. I think she could assauge my doubts by producing Trig’s birth certificate or the medical records of her pregnancy. But she won’t.

  • Jon

    Sorry, but I personally doubt Trig is hers. I’ve read the portions of “Going Rogue” where she describes the birth event and I’ve seen the reports about the e-mails. It doesn’t add up how she was TX when her water broke, etc. I think she could assauge my doubts by producing Trig’s birth certificate or the medical records of her pregnancy. But she won’t.

  • Cincinnatus

    Jon@33: wat.

    tODD@32: Oh, so three-years-stale, former, failed vice-presidential candidates constitute important public figures worthy of indefinite media coverage? This is, may I remind you, the same office of Vice President that is, even today, perhaps the least powerful office provided by the Constitution. That’s the office she doesn’t occupy and likely never will.

    But if we must talk about vice presidents, let’s. How about the current occupant? Admit it: Joe Biden is just as much of a joke as Sarah Palin, except he’s actually in the office. Yet every time those of us “on the vaguely right-hand side of thing” mention something to the effect of “Biden is a blithering idiot”–which he is–we’re generally greeted with an obnoxious “lalalala” from the left. No talk of being “a heartbeat from the Presidency” there!

    Or maybe Al Gore is a better example. She’s gotten at least as much coverage as Gore. And yet Gore, for all his amusing faults, was actually a serious guy (yeah, yeah) who made a viable run not merely for Vice President (an office he actually occupied for a fair chunk of time) but for the Presidency itself. What about Edwards? He’s not merely a joke but a vile human being–and even he hasn’t gotten nearly the coverage that Palin has gotten even though he actually has made serious and arguably viable runs for higher office.

    But no. Type “Palin media coverage” into Google and multiple news items pop up with headlines like this: “Have the media treated Obama and Palin Equally?” Huh, good question…wait a second. Obama–the actual President of the United States who does actually important things on a daily basis–is considered by journalists and their readers to belong properly in the same category as Sarah Palin–a person who holds no office and who only made one public attempt at national office. Really, media? Really?

    Look, I’m not claiming media bias. I’m claiming media stupidity. The almost-literally infinite coverage of Palin has, in my opinion, nothing to do with what you imply is her importance as a public figure (seriously?) but is rather an epiphenomenon of a systematic degradation of the profession of journalism in the United States. As I mentioned earlier, crowd-sourcing an archaeological dig through emails bound (and proven) to be uncontroversial, unimportant, and irrelevant is what counts as a suitable substitute for actual, investigative journalism these days. It is, in fact, sad that Palin proves more profitable, simple, and entertaining to cover than, say, something that is actually newsworthy, even minimally.

    And if you can’t see that, I have to assume you must have your head in the sand–just a little.

  • Cincinnatus

    Jon@33: wat.

    tODD@32: Oh, so three-years-stale, former, failed vice-presidential candidates constitute important public figures worthy of indefinite media coverage? This is, may I remind you, the same office of Vice President that is, even today, perhaps the least powerful office provided by the Constitution. That’s the office she doesn’t occupy and likely never will.

    But if we must talk about vice presidents, let’s. How about the current occupant? Admit it: Joe Biden is just as much of a joke as Sarah Palin, except he’s actually in the office. Yet every time those of us “on the vaguely right-hand side of thing” mention something to the effect of “Biden is a blithering idiot”–which he is–we’re generally greeted with an obnoxious “lalalala” from the left. No talk of being “a heartbeat from the Presidency” there!

    Or maybe Al Gore is a better example. She’s gotten at least as much coverage as Gore. And yet Gore, for all his amusing faults, was actually a serious guy (yeah, yeah) who made a viable run not merely for Vice President (an office he actually occupied for a fair chunk of time) but for the Presidency itself. What about Edwards? He’s not merely a joke but a vile human being–and even he hasn’t gotten nearly the coverage that Palin has gotten even though he actually has made serious and arguably viable runs for higher office.

    But no. Type “Palin media coverage” into Google and multiple news items pop up with headlines like this: “Have the media treated Obama and Palin Equally?” Huh, good question…wait a second. Obama–the actual President of the United States who does actually important things on a daily basis–is considered by journalists and their readers to belong properly in the same category as Sarah Palin–a person who holds no office and who only made one public attempt at national office. Really, media? Really?

    Look, I’m not claiming media bias. I’m claiming media stupidity. The almost-literally infinite coverage of Palin has, in my opinion, nothing to do with what you imply is her importance as a public figure (seriously?) but is rather an epiphenomenon of a systematic degradation of the profession of journalism in the United States. As I mentioned earlier, crowd-sourcing an archaeological dig through emails bound (and proven) to be uncontroversial, unimportant, and irrelevant is what counts as a suitable substitute for actual, investigative journalism these days. It is, in fact, sad that Palin proves more profitable, simple, and entertaining to cover than, say, something that is actually newsworthy, even minimally.

    And if you can’t see that, I have to assume you must have your head in the sand–just a little.

  • Cincinnatus

    tl; dr: Those who think infinite coverage of Palin is justified probably possess the mental acuity of those who thought Donald Trump was a serious and viable candidate for President and who thus dedicated endless hours of coverage to his little charade.

  • Cincinnatus

    tl; dr: Those who think infinite coverage of Palin is justified probably possess the mental acuity of those who thought Donald Trump was a serious and viable candidate for President and who thus dedicated endless hours of coverage to his little charade.

  • WebMonk

    Jon = left version of Vehse? Crackpot conspiracy theory nuts but in opposite direction? Twins separated at birth?

    Get their birth certificates! Pictures of their mom when she was pregnant with them!

  • WebMonk

    Jon = left version of Vehse? Crackpot conspiracy theory nuts but in opposite direction? Twins separated at birth?

    Get their birth certificates! Pictures of their mom when she was pregnant with them!

  • Louis

    Cincinnatus – the media gives people what they want. It is entertainment. Actually, I don’t know if the word exists, but it is newsatainment. What sells, gets reported on. Palin, for whatever insane reason, sells better than Biden/Gore or whoever.

    The martketplace seems to indicate the people want Palin coverage, so that is what they get.

  • Louis

    Cincinnatus – the media gives people what they want. It is entertainment. Actually, I don’t know if the word exists, but it is newsatainment. What sells, gets reported on. Palin, for whatever insane reason, sells better than Biden/Gore or whoever.

    The martketplace seems to indicate the people want Palin coverage, so that is what they get.

  • Louis

    IOW: Once again, it is the economy, stupid! :)

  • Louis

    IOW: Once again, it is the economy, stupid! :)

  • ed piman

    “Democrats don’t dislike Sarah Palin because she has a kid with Down Syndrome. They dislike her because they think she is unqualified to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.”

    And yet they elected and support as President a man manifestly less qualified than Palin. How very unpersuasive.

  • ed piman

    “Democrats don’t dislike Sarah Palin because she has a kid with Down Syndrome. They dislike her because they think she is unqualified to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.”

    And yet they elected and support as President a man manifestly less qualified than Palin. How very unpersuasive.

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    Johnathan @20 said,
    “You actually felt “horror” when Obama was elected? Since your comment links to New Reformation Press, are you speaking for it?”

    Short answer to your second question. = No.

    Longer Answer= I can link to whichever websites I wish but that does not mean that I speak in an official capacity for the organization in any forums except those of the organization itself.
    We deliberately keep politics off the NRP website and blog. My comments here are my personal political views.

    If memory serves me correctly we have had this conversation before.

    Go through the New Reformation Press website with a fine toothed comb and you will not find one bit of political commentary. Lutherans see this as an example of applying the doctrine of the two kingdoms.

    However if you are intent on linking our theology there with my personal politics and then labeling the theology of no use, I cannot stop you. tODD and I share pretty much the same theology and are at vastly different places on the political spectrum. Our theology is held by many people of all political stripes.

    As to your first question, yes, I was horrified, and I think events will bear me out on this.

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    Johnathan @20 said,
    “You actually felt “horror” when Obama was elected? Since your comment links to New Reformation Press, are you speaking for it?”

    Short answer to your second question. = No.

    Longer Answer= I can link to whichever websites I wish but that does not mean that I speak in an official capacity for the organization in any forums except those of the organization itself.
    We deliberately keep politics off the NRP website and blog. My comments here are my personal political views.

    If memory serves me correctly we have had this conversation before.

    Go through the New Reformation Press website with a fine toothed comb and you will not find one bit of political commentary. Lutherans see this as an example of applying the doctrine of the two kingdoms.

    However if you are intent on linking our theology there with my personal politics and then labeling the theology of no use, I cannot stop you. tODD and I share pretty much the same theology and are at vastly different places on the political spectrum. Our theology is held by many people of all political stripes.

    As to your first question, yes, I was horrified, and I think events will bear me out on this.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Cincinnatus (@34), I’m basically with Louis (@37) on this one. If we as a culture weren’t buying into the Palin circus, the media wouldn’t be selling it.

    Honestly, why does the faith of right-wingers (or whatever term you’ll allow) in the market seem to falter when it comes to the media? It’s like supply and demand explain so much in this world, but when it comes to journalism, it’s all one big cabal, completely unexplainable by what the people want. Maybe this paragraph doesn’t apply as much to you as to others here, but still.

    I mean, sure, the VP position ain’t all that. Failed would-be VPs, all the more so. But that doesn’t mean Palin is a complete nobody/joke.

    She remains a former state governor (never mind her quitting part-way through her first term), which Republicans until recently were typically emphatic about being the best experience for the presidency. So even if we ignore her failed (and, let’s be honest, flawed) 2008 bid for an office of no consequence, she still trumps Santorum, Gingrich, et al. when it comes to the all-mystical “executive experience”.

    I have no problem about making Biden jokes, by the way. But I get most of my political commentary from this site (and from Facebook links), and even the majority-conservative crowd* here has had precious little to say about the man. Biden is an old-school VP.

    Type “Palin media coverage” into Google and multiple news items pop up with headlines like this: “Have the media treated Obama and Palin Equally?”

    I was curious to see who, exactly, was asking this question, so I did like you asked and typed it into Google. Um, which of these august publications were you hoping me to take seriously?

    • TheBlaze.com (“The Blaze is a news, information and opinion site brought to you by Glenn Beck and a dedicated team of writers, journalists & video producers.”)
    • RedBlueAmerica.com
    • LiveLeak.com
    • IfBushDidIt.com
    • GlockTalk.com (not about glockenspiels!)
    • Some forum on Scout.com for the Clemson U. Tigers
    • Fuse.tv (“where music lives”)
    • MichianaVoice.com (“A Conservative Voice in Michiana”)
    • NewWorldOrderBlog.us

    I mean, that’s just the first page of Google results, but, um, based on the quality of that selection, I’m not digging any further.

    It is, in fact, sad that Palin proves more profitable, simple, and entertaining to cover than, say, something that is actually newsworthy, even minimally.

    Sure. You know what else sucks? More people prefer bland cheese that’s been artificially dyed orange than to anything that tastes remotely interesting. And the best-selling beer brands are crap. Which is to say, blaming this one on just the media may have missed the larger context of the problem.

    *Though you, of course, are surely aware of the plans of our leftist cabal to turn this place into yet another online temple to the 0bamessiah. Don’t worry, we’ll come for you last, Cincinnatus. We like you.**

    **Actually, you should worry. Our saying, “We like you” is actually a signal to our archenemy cabal to attack you for being too friendly with us. Sorry, but you’re collateral in the battle for control of this blog. You know too much. As in facts. Dumb it down, will ya?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Cincinnatus (@34), I’m basically with Louis (@37) on this one. If we as a culture weren’t buying into the Palin circus, the media wouldn’t be selling it.

    Honestly, why does the faith of right-wingers (or whatever term you’ll allow) in the market seem to falter when it comes to the media? It’s like supply and demand explain so much in this world, but when it comes to journalism, it’s all one big cabal, completely unexplainable by what the people want. Maybe this paragraph doesn’t apply as much to you as to others here, but still.

    I mean, sure, the VP position ain’t all that. Failed would-be VPs, all the more so. But that doesn’t mean Palin is a complete nobody/joke.

    She remains a former state governor (never mind her quitting part-way through her first term), which Republicans until recently were typically emphatic about being the best experience for the presidency. So even if we ignore her failed (and, let’s be honest, flawed) 2008 bid for an office of no consequence, she still trumps Santorum, Gingrich, et al. when it comes to the all-mystical “executive experience”.

    I have no problem about making Biden jokes, by the way. But I get most of my political commentary from this site (and from Facebook links), and even the majority-conservative crowd* here has had precious little to say about the man. Biden is an old-school VP.

    Type “Palin media coverage” into Google and multiple news items pop up with headlines like this: “Have the media treated Obama and Palin Equally?”

    I was curious to see who, exactly, was asking this question, so I did like you asked and typed it into Google. Um, which of these august publications were you hoping me to take seriously?

    • TheBlaze.com (“The Blaze is a news, information and opinion site brought to you by Glenn Beck and a dedicated team of writers, journalists & video producers.”)
    • RedBlueAmerica.com
    • LiveLeak.com
    • IfBushDidIt.com
    • GlockTalk.com (not about glockenspiels!)
    • Some forum on Scout.com for the Clemson U. Tigers
    • Fuse.tv (“where music lives”)
    • MichianaVoice.com (“A Conservative Voice in Michiana”)
    • NewWorldOrderBlog.us

    I mean, that’s just the first page of Google results, but, um, based on the quality of that selection, I’m not digging any further.

    It is, in fact, sad that Palin proves more profitable, simple, and entertaining to cover than, say, something that is actually newsworthy, even minimally.

    Sure. You know what else sucks? More people prefer bland cheese that’s been artificially dyed orange than to anything that tastes remotely interesting. And the best-selling beer brands are crap. Which is to say, blaming this one on just the media may have missed the larger context of the problem.

    *Though you, of course, are surely aware of the plans of our leftist cabal to turn this place into yet another online temple to the 0bamessiah. Don’t worry, we’ll come for you last, Cincinnatus. We like you.**

    **Actually, you should worry. Our saying, “We like you” is actually a signal to our archenemy cabal to attack you for being too friendly with us. Sorry, but you’re collateral in the battle for control of this blog. You know too much. As in facts. Dumb it down, will ya?

  • Stephen

    Cinncinatus

    For your edification:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377079/Is-picture-proves-Sarah-Palin-did-birth-baby-Trig.html

    Isn’t the professor mentioned in the article from your neck of the woods? I could care less but hey, it’s great entertaining fun!

    As fr me, I just hope, by golly, she doesn’t get elected. She’s certainly a fetching gal, until she opens her mouth. I suspect that is an enormous part of the fascination. She looks good on TV and we need that! But I’d rather vote for Tina Fey. At least she would have a sense of humor about being attacked in the media rather then whining about being a victim of “gotcha” journalism.

    “Ms. Palin, what did you learn about Paul Revere”

    “Oh gosh, he was there with the shots and bells to warn the British . . .” Heck, I was embarrassed for her.

    Gotcha! Well, to be fair, it was tough question. As Stephen Colbert put it, “Wow! I could not have put together a more random string of words if I tried.”

    Please someone tell me when we can close the books on this one? She IS the very epitome of the “lame-stream” she complains about. It’s a marriage made in media heaven.

  • Stephen

    Cinncinatus

    For your edification:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377079/Is-picture-proves-Sarah-Palin-did-birth-baby-Trig.html

    Isn’t the professor mentioned in the article from your neck of the woods? I could care less but hey, it’s great entertaining fun!

    As fr me, I just hope, by golly, she doesn’t get elected. She’s certainly a fetching gal, until she opens her mouth. I suspect that is an enormous part of the fascination. She looks good on TV and we need that! But I’d rather vote for Tina Fey. At least she would have a sense of humor about being attacked in the media rather then whining about being a victim of “gotcha” journalism.

    “Ms. Palin, what did you learn about Paul Revere”

    “Oh gosh, he was there with the shots and bells to warn the British . . .” Heck, I was embarrassed for her.

    Gotcha! Well, to be fair, it was tough question. As Stephen Colbert put it, “Wow! I could not have put together a more random string of words if I tried.”

    Please someone tell me when we can close the books on this one? She IS the very epitome of the “lame-stream” she complains about. It’s a marriage made in media heaven.

  • Cincinnatus

    Hey, tODD< I never cried "conspiracy," sir! And I certainly don't think the media is biased; it's not monolithic in an ideological sense (I do think it’s dangerously monolithic in others ways, but not in the trivial partisan sense).

    But sure, I agree with you and Louis on this point: the American viewing public shares the blame with the media, as the media are only giving “us” what we “want.”

    And yet, am I merely being nostalgic for a past that never existed when I pine for a journalistic establishment that actually did view itself in a role of responsibility, that actually did, thus, “sift and winnow” the events of the world in order to provide for the public a digest of events and commentary of some importance? Even looking at figures as late as the television age, I can’t imagine Morrow obsessing over the drivel of Sarah Palin.

  • Cincinnatus

    Hey, tODD< I never cried "conspiracy," sir! And I certainly don't think the media is biased; it's not monolithic in an ideological sense (I do think it’s dangerously monolithic in others ways, but not in the trivial partisan sense).

    But sure, I agree with you and Louis on this point: the American viewing public shares the blame with the media, as the media are only giving “us” what we “want.”

    And yet, am I merely being nostalgic for a past that never existed when I pine for a journalistic establishment that actually did view itself in a role of responsibility, that actually did, thus, “sift and winnow” the events of the world in order to provide for the public a digest of events and commentary of some importance? Even looking at figures as late as the television age, I can’t imagine Morrow obsessing over the drivel of Sarah Palin.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Patrick (@40), we do (mostly) share our theology. And a birthday (which we share with Cincinnatus — perhaps I should switch my allegiance to a new, Februarist cabal!).

    And while I do think it’s unfair to tie your comments here to your work at NRP, I also think it’s not reasonable to expect other commenters (especially any new ones) to be aware of your earlier disavowals of speaking for NRP when you comment here.

    I certainly understand why you link to NRP (links never hurt when it comes to eyeballs; though, from an SEO perspective, Veith’s blog is set up to give you no boost in Google rankings, FYI), but since you do so, it wouldn’t hurt if you appended a little “My comments here do not speak for New Reformation Press” to any comment.

    I offer this as friendly, earnest advice, and not in the spirit of piling on.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Patrick (@40), we do (mostly) share our theology. And a birthday (which we share with Cincinnatus — perhaps I should switch my allegiance to a new, Februarist cabal!).

    And while I do think it’s unfair to tie your comments here to your work at NRP, I also think it’s not reasonable to expect other commenters (especially any new ones) to be aware of your earlier disavowals of speaking for NRP when you comment here.

    I certainly understand why you link to NRP (links never hurt when it comes to eyeballs; though, from an SEO perspective, Veith’s blog is set up to give you no boost in Google rankings, FYI), but since you do so, it wouldn’t hurt if you appended a little “My comments here do not speak for New Reformation Press” to any comment.

    I offer this as friendly, earnest advice, and not in the spirit of piling on.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Cincinnatus (@43), I’m not sure what your first paragraph is directed at, but I’m glad to hear it all the same. I certainly think the media is biased, but, like you, I agree that it’s “not in the trivial partisan sense”.

    As for the potential for false nostalgia, I don’t know. I’ve only truly paid attention to the media since they’ve been stupid, however long that’s been for (but, in my case, since the dawn of 24-hour cable news; though I have very rarely had cable TV myself).

    I have heard that, once upon a time, news outfits were seen as a source of prestige within a TV network, and, as such, not subject to expectations of bringing home the bacon. Instead, goes this story, the other programming funded the news division, which was a signal of Quality, Seriousness, and so on. And then, at some point, perhaps with the advent of cable and the fracturing of our media landscape, news divisions suddenly had to support themselves. And compete with 24-hour cable networks who really had a lot of free time on their hands. Maybe I’m repeating all of this from Amusing Ourselves to Death, I don’t recall. Point being, no, Morrow likely wouldn’t have paid attention to it back then. But that was back then.

    In other news, getting signed to a major record label is no longer what it once was in terms of fame and money.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Cincinnatus (@43), I’m not sure what your first paragraph is directed at, but I’m glad to hear it all the same. I certainly think the media is biased, but, like you, I agree that it’s “not in the trivial partisan sense”.

    As for the potential for false nostalgia, I don’t know. I’ve only truly paid attention to the media since they’ve been stupid, however long that’s been for (but, in my case, since the dawn of 24-hour cable news; though I have very rarely had cable TV myself).

    I have heard that, once upon a time, news outfits were seen as a source of prestige within a TV network, and, as such, not subject to expectations of bringing home the bacon. Instead, goes this story, the other programming funded the news division, which was a signal of Quality, Seriousness, and so on. And then, at some point, perhaps with the advent of cable and the fracturing of our media landscape, news divisions suddenly had to support themselves. And compete with 24-hour cable networks who really had a lot of free time on their hands. Maybe I’m repeating all of this from Amusing Ourselves to Death, I don’t recall. Point being, no, Morrow likely wouldn’t have paid attention to it back then. But that was back then.

    In other news, getting signed to a major record label is no longer what it once was in terms of fame and money.

  • Stephen

    Oh Walter Cronkite, where art thou!

    So I tracked down the aricle and the “scholarly paper” about Palin’s baby deception. Just sayin’

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-trig-birth-2011-4?page=1&comments_page=2

  • Stephen

    Oh Walter Cronkite, where art thou!

    So I tracked down the aricle and the “scholarly paper” about Palin’s baby deception. Just sayin’

    http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-trig-birth-2011-4?page=1&comments_page=2

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    tODD@44
    Fair enough, you are probably right.

    In this case I think Jonathan has taken me to task on this before. If I am mistaken and it wasn’t Johnathan, I apologize for my terse response.

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    tODD@44
    Fair enough, you are probably right.

    In this case I think Jonathan has taken me to task on this before. If I am mistaken and it wasn’t Johnathan, I apologize for my terse response.

  • Jeremy

    DonS @ 11 writes “why do you “dislike” someone because you believe they are unqualified for a certain position?”

    I don’t dislike Sarah Palin as a person. Even some of her political enemies have described her as personable. I just dislike her as a potential chief diplomat, policy maker, and the military commander-in-chief of the most powerful nation on earth.

  • Jeremy

    DonS @ 11 writes “why do you “dislike” someone because you believe they are unqualified for a certain position?”

    I don’t dislike Sarah Palin as a person. Even some of her political enemies have described her as personable. I just dislike her as a potential chief diplomat, policy maker, and the military commander-in-chief of the most powerful nation on earth.

  • Cincinnatus

    Jeremy@48: Cool. Good thing she’s a non-contender for that office.

    I also dislike Kim Kardashian for that office.

  • Cincinnatus

    Jeremy@48: Cool. Good thing she’s a non-contender for that office.

    I also dislike Kim Kardashian for that office.

  • Jeremy

    @Cincinnatus

    Good point. I don’t have any problem with Kim Karsashian, unless she tries to run for the highest office in the land. And I wouldn’t accuse someone of being “elitist” or hating people from New Jersey if he thought that “Snookie” from the cast of Jersey Shore shouldn’t be in the Oval Office.

  • Jeremy

    @Cincinnatus

    Good point. I don’t have any problem with Kim Karsashian, unless she tries to run for the highest office in the land. And I wouldn’t accuse someone of being “elitist” or hating people from New Jersey if he thought that “Snookie” from the cast of Jersey Shore shouldn’t be in the Oval Office.

  • Joe

    @ tODD -” And yeah, I’m generally aware of FOIA requests taking “a long time”, but three years? Tell me you’ve experienced delays like that.”

    Almost every time I deal with the EPA – they are the worst agency for public records requests. My worst case was a letter three or four years after the request telling me that they had determined that complying with the request would be unduly burdensome and giving me the contact information for the appeals officer.

  • Joe

    @ tODD -” And yeah, I’m generally aware of FOIA requests taking “a long time”, but three years? Tell me you’ve experienced delays like that.”

    Almost every time I deal with the EPA – they are the worst agency for public records requests. My worst case was a letter three or four years after the request telling me that they had determined that complying with the request would be unduly burdensome and giving me the contact information for the appeals officer.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Still, Joe (@51), you do have to admire their thoroughness. They really put a lot of effort into making sure that complying would be too burdensome! ;)

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Still, Joe (@51), you do have to admire their thoroughness. They really put a lot of effort into making sure that complying would be too burdensome! ;)

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    No, okay, that’s crazy (@51), but there you have it. Thanks.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    No, okay, that’s crazy (@51), but there you have it. Thanks.

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