Newt Gingrich’s whole staff resigns–for Perry?

Twelve of GOP candidate Newt Gingrich, every one of his top campaign staff, walked out on him!  That doesn’t auger well.  The speculation is that they are going over to Texas Governor Rick Perry.  Do you think he might be the cowboy on the white horse who could ride in and save the Republicans?

I’d like to hear from Texans about this guy, since he’s been governor for longer than anyone and I assume you must see something in him.

Newt Gingrich advisers resign en masse – Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman – POLITICO.com.

Gingrich Staff Quits: Is the Republican Nomination Perry’s to Lose? – Roger L. Simon

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • SKPeterson

    As a long-time Texan and having most of my family still there, I think Perry might be a good candidate. He has the vibrancy of the Texas economy going for him as an example of how to take the country forward. That’s a plus. The problem is the negative: he’s from Texas. So were the Bushes. For all his strength and merit as a candidate, there is an almost inherent tendency of the American people to turn away from political dynasties, either familial or regional. I would fully expect that despite all the positives of Texas that have occurred in the past few years such as the best employment growth of any state since the recession, he would be burdened with an attitude of, “Another Texan?” The American people may be burnt out by the South – the Bushes, Clinton, Carter – and turning to the Midwest – Obama, maybe Pawlenty or Bachmann, the flirtation with Daniels.

  • SKPeterson

    As a long-time Texan and having most of my family still there, I think Perry might be a good candidate. He has the vibrancy of the Texas economy going for him as an example of how to take the country forward. That’s a plus. The problem is the negative: he’s from Texas. So were the Bushes. For all his strength and merit as a candidate, there is an almost inherent tendency of the American people to turn away from political dynasties, either familial or regional. I would fully expect that despite all the positives of Texas that have occurred in the past few years such as the best employment growth of any state since the recession, he would be burdened with an attitude of, “Another Texan?” The American people may be burnt out by the South – the Bushes, Clinton, Carter – and turning to the Midwest – Obama, maybe Pawlenty or Bachmann, the flirtation with Daniels.

  • DonS

    I heard today that one of Gingrich’s staffers jumped over to Pawlenty, so I’m not sure whether there is really much to this story. We’ll see, I guess.

  • DonS

    I heard today that one of Gingrich’s staffers jumped over to Pawlenty, so I’m not sure whether there is really much to this story. We’ll see, I guess.

  • Grace

    SKPeterson @ 1

    Rick Perry would be an excellent president – We have called his office and made known our support. There are many more just like us. He’s the best man for the job, . . after this administration, it’s going to take a strong man to lead this country after the mess they have made.

    Texas is a great state!

  • Grace

    SKPeterson @ 1

    Rick Perry would be an excellent president – We have called his office and made known our support. There are many more just like us. He’s the best man for the job, . . after this administration, it’s going to take a strong man to lead this country after the mess they have made.

    Texas is a great state!

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    Trusted advisers and confidants don’t abandon somebody for no reason. Sounds like Newt’s lack of integrity came home to roost.

    It must have been bad to cause them all to quit en mass, and at the same time. Thankfully, he was weeded out now rather than later.

  • http://www.newreformationpress.com Patrick Kyle

    Trusted advisers and confidants don’t abandon somebody for no reason. Sounds like Newt’s lack of integrity came home to roost.

    It must have been bad to cause them all to quit en mass, and at the same time. Thankfully, he was weeded out now rather than later.

  • helen

    If the Texas economy is so “vibrant”, why is the legislature, under Rick Perry, pleading poverty and butchering the school system from K-PhD?

    “Not a Native”, so less impressed

  • helen

    If the Texas economy is so “vibrant”, why is the legislature, under Rick Perry, pleading poverty and butchering the school system from K-PhD?

    “Not a Native”, so less impressed

  • Kirk

    Do governors have to do anything aside from execute criminals and deport Mexicans to be loved by Texans?

    ZING!

  • Kirk

    Do governors have to do anything aside from execute criminals and deport Mexicans to be loved by Texans?

    ZING!

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com bike bubba

    I think they need to eat BBQ, too, Kirk, and make sure it’s beef. :^)

    Here’s a link about what Helen was talking about.

    http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

    Personally, when schools are getting close to $10k/student, I’m thinking that major trims in education funding are not only necessary but advisable. Perhaps a President Perry would end the Department of Education, which would be a wonderful thing.

    And on the economic front, Texas’ unemployment rate is about 8% now, something that our current President would kill to be able to say about the country as a whole.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com bike bubba

    I think they need to eat BBQ, too, Kirk, and make sure it’s beef. :^)

    Here’s a link about what Helen was talking about.

    http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

    Personally, when schools are getting close to $10k/student, I’m thinking that major trims in education funding are not only necessary but advisable. Perhaps a President Perry would end the Department of Education, which would be a wonderful thing.

    And on the economic front, Texas’ unemployment rate is about 8% now, something that our current President would kill to be able to say about the country as a whole.

  • SKPeterson

    helen @5 – Government has been retreating across the country. Not necessarily a bad thing.

    As to vibrancy, I offer up the following simple statistics from the Dallas Fed:

    1. 37% of net jobs created since the “recovery” have been in Texas. That is an overwhelming number even taking into consideration that Texas ranks #2 in total population. The #1 state in terms of population, California, has had a net loss of jobs over the same period.

    2. Average annual economic growth in Texas has averaged 3.3% since 1990. U.S. growth has averaged 2.6%.

    If one wants to believe that economic policies foster economic outcomes, these two statistics would indicate that Texas has a more vibrant economy than most of the rest of the country. Now, whether that redounds to Mr. Perry’s credit is up to others, but it is indicative of the types of policy outcomes he might introduce to the rest of the nation.

    And, Kirk, deporting illegal Mexicans came to be viewed favorably when it was found that 70% were on the public dole, something that has never been viewed favorably in the state. If illegals are in the state and they are working, then most Texans don’t have a problem with it.

    But, to your larger point, the governors of Texas do have fairly weak powers under the constitution. In many respects, the Lieutenant Governor has more real power.

  • SKPeterson

    helen @5 – Government has been retreating across the country. Not necessarily a bad thing.

    As to vibrancy, I offer up the following simple statistics from the Dallas Fed:

    1. 37% of net jobs created since the “recovery” have been in Texas. That is an overwhelming number even taking into consideration that Texas ranks #2 in total population. The #1 state in terms of population, California, has had a net loss of jobs over the same period.

    2. Average annual economic growth in Texas has averaged 3.3% since 1990. U.S. growth has averaged 2.6%.

    If one wants to believe that economic policies foster economic outcomes, these two statistics would indicate that Texas has a more vibrant economy than most of the rest of the country. Now, whether that redounds to Mr. Perry’s credit is up to others, but it is indicative of the types of policy outcomes he might introduce to the rest of the nation.

    And, Kirk, deporting illegal Mexicans came to be viewed favorably when it was found that 70% were on the public dole, something that has never been viewed favorably in the state. If illegals are in the state and they are working, then most Texans don’t have a problem with it.

    But, to your larger point, the governors of Texas do have fairly weak powers under the constitution. In many respects, the Lieutenant Governor has more real power.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “why is the legislature, under Rick Perry, pleading poverty and butchering the school system from K-PhD?”

    Texas has no money because of unfunded mandates.

    Texas schools are pretty high performing. Anyway, they can tighten their belts like everyone else. They aren’t special.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “why is the legislature, under Rick Perry, pleading poverty and butchering the school system from K-PhD?”

    Texas has no money because of unfunded mandates.

    Texas schools are pretty high performing. Anyway, they can tighten their belts like everyone else. They aren’t special.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    SK (@8), interestingly, if we take two of your claims — “average annual economic growth in Texas has averaged 3.3% since 1990″ and “in many respects, the Lieutenant Governor has more real power [than the governor]” — and combine them, it is interesting to note that, during half of the time since 1990, Texas had a Democratic lieutenant governor.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    SK (@8), interestingly, if we take two of your claims — “average annual economic growth in Texas has averaged 3.3% since 1990″ and “in many respects, the Lieutenant Governor has more real power [than the governor]” — and combine them, it is interesting to note that, during half of the time since 1990, Texas had a Democratic lieutenant governor.

  • http://watersblogged.blogspot.com Bob Waters

    He is apparently one of the supposedly one-third of Texans who believes the urban legend that Texas received an acknowledgement of a right to seceed from the Union when it became a state. Apparently that particular piece of historical nonsense is taught in at least some of the schools down there.

  • http://watersblogged.blogspot.com Bob Waters

    He is apparently one of the supposedly one-third of Texans who believes the urban legend that Texas received an acknowledgement of a right to seceed from the Union when it became a state. Apparently that particular piece of historical nonsense is taught in at least some of the schools down there.

  • Steve Billingsley

    As a native (and lifelong resident) of Texas, I am of the opinion that Rick Perry is seriously overrated. For some reason he has a great national reputation among conservatives. But among Texas voters, not as much. A few examples.

    In 2006, Perry was re-elected governor easily, but it was an odd race that featured 4 major candidates (including novelty candidate Kinky Friedman and former Comptroller Carol Strayhorn. Perry won only 39% of the vote.
    In 2008, in a horrible year for Republicans nationally, John McCain won over 55% of the vote in Texas. In 2010, in a great year for Republicans nationally, Perry won just under 55% of the vote in Texas. Perry underperformed a weak Republican Presidential ticket in an off-year election with a strong anti-Democrat sentiment in the air nationally. By comparison, when George W. Bush was re-elected Texas governor in 1998 in a “meh” year for Republicans, he received over 68% of the vote.
    I think if Perry gets in the race, he will fairly quickly be exposed as a lightweight. Texas is pretty dark red state and even the most generic of Republican candidates generally win statewide races.

  • Steve Billingsley

    As a native (and lifelong resident) of Texas, I am of the opinion that Rick Perry is seriously overrated. For some reason he has a great national reputation among conservatives. But among Texas voters, not as much. A few examples.

    In 2006, Perry was re-elected governor easily, but it was an odd race that featured 4 major candidates (including novelty candidate Kinky Friedman and former Comptroller Carol Strayhorn. Perry won only 39% of the vote.
    In 2008, in a horrible year for Republicans nationally, John McCain won over 55% of the vote in Texas. In 2010, in a great year for Republicans nationally, Perry won just under 55% of the vote in Texas. Perry underperformed a weak Republican Presidential ticket in an off-year election with a strong anti-Democrat sentiment in the air nationally. By comparison, when George W. Bush was re-elected Texas governor in 1998 in a “meh” year for Republicans, he received over 68% of the vote.
    I think if Perry gets in the race, he will fairly quickly be exposed as a lightweight. Texas is pretty dark red state and even the most generic of Republican candidates generally win statewide races.

  • SKPeterson

    Yep, Todd, you are correct. Bill Hobby was one of the last powerful Democrats in the state. Similar to Lloyd Bentsen, but even more conservative. He and Bush got along very well and were able to get the ball rolling on ensuring growth in Texas. It should be noted that the Texas growth paradigm was largely a bipartisan effort, although most of the Democrat Party in Texas was still conservative in the 1990′s.

    Like Steve B. notes above, and as I’ve alluded, I’m not sure how much of Texas’s economic growth advantage can be credited to Perry. Maybe he can best be credited with not screwing it up.

  • SKPeterson

    Yep, Todd, you are correct. Bill Hobby was one of the last powerful Democrats in the state. Similar to Lloyd Bentsen, but even more conservative. He and Bush got along very well and were able to get the ball rolling on ensuring growth in Texas. It should be noted that the Texas growth paradigm was largely a bipartisan effort, although most of the Democrat Party in Texas was still conservative in the 1990′s.

    Like Steve B. notes above, and as I’ve alluded, I’m not sure how much of Texas’s economic growth advantage can be credited to Perry. Maybe he can best be credited with not screwing it up.

  • John C

    Governor Perry is far too divisive to be a Republican candidate. At the moment, Perry is organizing “The Response” prayer rally and rightwing Christian extemists John Hagee, Jim Garlow and the American Family Association will be providing the entertainment.
    Governor Perry is also an enthusiasic player in the culture wars and the GOP has been successful in getting Intelligent Design onto the Science curriculum.
    Sorry Grace but Perry is a bit of a maddie — he’ll frighten the horses.

  • John C

    Governor Perry is far too divisive to be a Republican candidate. At the moment, Perry is organizing “The Response” prayer rally and rightwing Christian extemists John Hagee, Jim Garlow and the American Family Association will be providing the entertainment.
    Governor Perry is also an enthusiasic player in the culture wars and the GOP has been successful in getting Intelligent Design onto the Science curriculum.
    Sorry Grace but Perry is a bit of a maddie — he’ll frighten the horses.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “GOP has been successful in getting Intelligent Design onto the Science curriculum.”

    This is not true. The science curriculum has evolution only. It may include a discussion of the unproven assumption of all theories and a clarification of the distinction between theories and laws. Boyle’s Law is proven. So, it is a law, not a theory.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “GOP has been successful in getting Intelligent Design onto the Science curriculum.”

    This is not true. The science curriculum has evolution only. It may include a discussion of the unproven assumption of all theories and a clarification of the distinction between theories and laws. Boyle’s Law is proven. So, it is a law, not a theory.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “Governor Perry is far too divisive to be a Republican candidate.”

    News flash, Governor Perry has won numerous times in a white minority state. That hardly sounds divisive.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “Governor Perry is far too divisive to be a Republican candidate.”

    News flash, Governor Perry has won numerous times in a white minority state. That hardly sounds divisive.

  • John C

    The Texas State Board of Education promotes the scrutiny of all sides of scientific theory within the science curriculum. This sounds perfectly sensible and inoccuous but it allows creationists to offer a critique of evolution under the guise of the pseudo science, Intelligent Design. Intelligent Design has not been accepted by the scientific community as fitting within the field of scientific inquiry.
    Texas has formally raised Intelligent Design to the status of a legitimate scientific dicipline. This may please Christian and Islamic creationists but ultimately it undermines both church and science.

  • John C

    The Texas State Board of Education promotes the scrutiny of all sides of scientific theory within the science curriculum. This sounds perfectly sensible and inoccuous but it allows creationists to offer a critique of evolution under the guise of the pseudo science, Intelligent Design. Intelligent Design has not been accepted by the scientific community as fitting within the field of scientific inquiry.
    Texas has formally raised Intelligent Design to the status of a legitimate scientific dicipline. This may please Christian and Islamic creationists but ultimately it undermines both church and science.

  • John C

    Sg, you can’t hang around with the the lunatic fringe, Hagee, Garlow and the American Family Association and expect to unite the country.

  • John C

    Sg, you can’t hang around with the the lunatic fringe, Hagee, Garlow and the American Family Association and expect to unite the country.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “you can’t hang around with the the lunatic fringe, Hagee, Garlow and the American Family Association and expect to unite the country.”

    Half of Obama’s “advisors” are lunatic fringe. Obama himself said he wanted energy regulations that would cause energy prices to necessarily skyrocket. Is that “uniting”? The truth is most people don’t know or care who Hagee, Garlow, etc., even are. I don’t. I care about rising prices and unemployment and our expensive and unpopular overseas adventures coming to an end. Doesn’t look like Obama is too committed to ending any of those “wars” or reducing any other gov’t spending that we can’t afford.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “you can’t hang around with the the lunatic fringe, Hagee, Garlow and the American Family Association and expect to unite the country.”

    Half of Obama’s “advisors” are lunatic fringe. Obama himself said he wanted energy regulations that would cause energy prices to necessarily skyrocket. Is that “uniting”? The truth is most people don’t know or care who Hagee, Garlow, etc., even are. I don’t. I care about rising prices and unemployment and our expensive and unpopular overseas adventures coming to an end. Doesn’t look like Obama is too committed to ending any of those “wars” or reducing any other gov’t spending that we can’t afford.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “This sounds perfectly sensible and inoccuous but it allows creationists to offer a critique of evolution under the guise of the pseudo science, Intelligent Design.”

    It is sensible and innocuous. Robust theories can stand on their own merits. Students should be encouraged to question everything and not just obediently memorize the current thinking.

    “Intelligent Design has not been accepted by the scientific community as fitting within the field of scientific inquiry.”

    Neither were Newton’s Optics.

    So what?

    Better to have students hash it out.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “This sounds perfectly sensible and inoccuous but it allows creationists to offer a critique of evolution under the guise of the pseudo science, Intelligent Design.”

    It is sensible and innocuous. Robust theories can stand on their own merits. Students should be encouraged to question everything and not just obediently memorize the current thinking.

    “Intelligent Design has not been accepted by the scientific community as fitting within the field of scientific inquiry.”

    Neither were Newton’s Optics.

    So what?

    Better to have students hash it out.

  • John C

    Yes, you’re right, sg, let’s leave it to students to decide what is science and what isn’t.
    And if you don’t know Hagee, Garlow and the American Family Association, perhaps it’s time you did. Ignorance is not necessarily bliss, sg.

  • John C

    Yes, you’re right, sg, let’s leave it to students to decide what is science and what isn’t.
    And if you don’t know Hagee, Garlow and the American Family Association, perhaps it’s time you did. Ignorance is not necessarily bliss, sg.

  • Jeremy

    “I care about rising prices and unemployment and our expensive and unpopular overseas adventures coming to an end”

    Where were these Republicans during the Bush years?! I take it they are no longer gung ho Iraq?

  • Jeremy

    “I care about rising prices and unemployment and our expensive and unpopular overseas adventures coming to an end”

    Where were these Republicans during the Bush years?! I take it they are no longer gung ho Iraq?

  • John C

    Actually sg, I think we can settle the squabble over teaching creationism in the classroom by quoting the well known historian and Christian, David Barton.
    “As far as the Founding Fathers were concerned, they’d already had the entire debate over creation and evolution, and you get Thomas Paine, who is the least religious Founding Father, saying you’ve got to teach Creation science in the classroom. Scientific method demands that.”
    One must never let fact or science get in the way of a good story, sg.

  • John C

    Actually sg, I think we can settle the squabble over teaching creationism in the classroom by quoting the well known historian and Christian, David Barton.
    “As far as the Founding Fathers were concerned, they’d already had the entire debate over creation and evolution, and you get Thomas Paine, who is the least religious Founding Father, saying you’ve got to teach Creation science in the classroom. Scientific method demands that.”
    One must never let fact or science get in the way of a good story, sg.

  • MMc

    If you look at his actions, not his words, you’ll see that Rick Perry is a moderate, not a conservative. He’s just talk. Those of us in Texas call it, “All hat and no cattle.” He is a light weight, finger to the wind politician who would be terrible in a debate with Obama. This Texas Tea Party leader, long-time fan of Gene Veith pleads with you, please don’t fall for his swagger and Texas accent.

  • MMc

    If you look at his actions, not his words, you’ll see that Rick Perry is a moderate, not a conservative. He’s just talk. Those of us in Texas call it, “All hat and no cattle.” He is a light weight, finger to the wind politician who would be terrible in a debate with Obama. This Texas Tea Party leader, long-time fan of Gene Veith pleads with you, please don’t fall for his swagger and Texas accent.

  • Grace

    MMc – 24

    “If you look at his actions, not his words, you’ll see that Rick Perry is a moderate, not a conservative. He’s just talk. Those of us in Texas call it, “All hat and no cattle.” He is a light weight, finger to the wind politician who would be terrible in a debate with Obama. “

    Obama cannot remember the year it is, just a few weeks ago in London, while visiting the queen – he can’t remember how many states we have? Oh yes, and then there is the teleprompters the poor man needs, because he cannot remember what to say. I could go on, but I think YOU remember all the mistakes? – or maybe YOU don’t!

    Rick Perry can handle a debate with Obama, .. almost anyone can.

  • Grace

    MMc – 24

    “If you look at his actions, not his words, you’ll see that Rick Perry is a moderate, not a conservative. He’s just talk. Those of us in Texas call it, “All hat and no cattle.” He is a light weight, finger to the wind politician who would be terrible in a debate with Obama. “

    Obama cannot remember the year it is, just a few weeks ago in London, while visiting the queen – he can’t remember how many states we have? Oh yes, and then there is the teleprompters the poor man needs, because he cannot remember what to say. I could go on, but I think YOU remember all the mistakes? – or maybe YOU don’t!

    Rick Perry can handle a debate with Obama, .. almost anyone can.

  • Grace

    MMc – 24

    “This Texas Tea Party leader, long-time fan of Gene Veith pleads with you, please don’t fall for his swagger and Texas accent.”

    Are you waving a flag for Palin? – if so, she doesn’t have a chance. The ole grizzly has become a bore!

  • Grace

    MMc – 24

    “This Texas Tea Party leader, long-time fan of Gene Veith pleads with you, please don’t fall for his swagger and Texas accent.”

    Are you waving a flag for Palin? – if so, she doesn’t have a chance. The ole grizzly has become a bore!

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “Where were these Republicans during the Bush years?! I take it they are no longer gung ho Iraq?”

    Of course they are gung ho for Iraq. The whole lot of them are influence peddlers. Many hoped Obama would end the wars. He didn’t. Rather, he busies himself feathering the nests of his supporters. Many hoped Republicans would tackle the debt and deficit. They didn’t. Rather, they busy themselves feathering the nests of their supporters. Neither party is civic minded. They just have different constituencies and supporters. But they are all in the business of getting themselves elected and helping themselves and their friends. We have no democracy.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “Where were these Republicans during the Bush years?! I take it they are no longer gung ho Iraq?”

    Of course they are gung ho for Iraq. The whole lot of them are influence peddlers. Many hoped Obama would end the wars. He didn’t. Rather, he busies himself feathering the nests of his supporters. Many hoped Republicans would tackle the debt and deficit. They didn’t. Rather, they busy themselves feathering the nests of their supporters. Neither party is civic minded. They just have different constituencies and supporters. But they are all in the business of getting themselves elected and helping themselves and their friends. We have no democracy.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I think we can settle the squabble over teaching creationism in the classroom by quoting the well known historian and Christian, David Barton.”

    Silly, David Barton is not an authority. Even if he were, that quote proves nothing but his own opinion and the sentiments of a bunch of folks who died before Darwin was born. All that matters is what is in black and white in the curriculum, and what teachers actually teach.

    Besides, folks really champion evolution as a means to bash political enemies. They often don’t understand evolution and certainly don’t actually believe it, especially as it applies to recent human psychological trait selection.

    I have linked this book before. Very interesting.

    http://www.amazon.com/000-Year-Explosion-Civilization-Accelerated/dp/0465002218

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I think we can settle the squabble over teaching creationism in the classroom by quoting the well known historian and Christian, David Barton.”

    Silly, David Barton is not an authority. Even if he were, that quote proves nothing but his own opinion and the sentiments of a bunch of folks who died before Darwin was born. All that matters is what is in black and white in the curriculum, and what teachers actually teach.

    Besides, folks really champion evolution as a means to bash political enemies. They often don’t understand evolution and certainly don’t actually believe it, especially as it applies to recent human psychological trait selection.

    I have linked this book before. Very interesting.

    http://www.amazon.com/000-Year-Explosion-Civilization-Accelerated/dp/0465002218

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “Rick Perry can handle a debate with Obama, .. almost anyone can.”

    Not sure about that. I attended the Rally for Life this January in Austin at the capitol. Perry was not particularly strong in his speech delivery that day. Maybe he was feeling poorly. I don’t know. Obama’s delivery sounds pretty good much of time. Perry was really weak this year. I do recall a couple of years ago he sounded better. I haven’t heard him speak a lot, so, FWIW, he may or may not be really good on his feet.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “Rick Perry can handle a debate with Obama, .. almost anyone can.”

    Not sure about that. I attended the Rally for Life this January in Austin at the capitol. Perry was not particularly strong in his speech delivery that day. Maybe he was feeling poorly. I don’t know. Obama’s delivery sounds pretty good much of time. Perry was really weak this year. I do recall a couple of years ago he sounded better. I haven’t heard him speak a lot, so, FWIW, he may or may not be really good on his feet.

  • MMc

    Lots of us who are long-time conservatives aren’t sure yet about the GOP candidates who have already announced. We are looking for a true conservative with a powerful and articulate message who is also able to appeal to independents. No, I’m not necessarily a Palin supporter. I’d like to see Paul Ryan jump in. If you check out Perry’s debates on Youtube, you’ll see he’s not that impressive. Many of these candidates look better from a distance, but when you investigate, they disappoint.

  • MMc

    Lots of us who are long-time conservatives aren’t sure yet about the GOP candidates who have already announced. We are looking for a true conservative with a powerful and articulate message who is also able to appeal to independents. No, I’m not necessarily a Palin supporter. I’d like to see Paul Ryan jump in. If you check out Perry’s debates on Youtube, you’ll see he’s not that impressive. Many of these candidates look better from a distance, but when you investigate, they disappoint.

  • John C

    David Barton is not a scientist, nor a historian but he is a Christian and a follower of Seven Moutains Domionism, sg.
    He has a degree in religious instruction from that august institution, the Oral Roberts University and an honoury degree in something or other.
    He was appointed by Governor Perry as an ‘advisor’ to the Texas State Board of Education. Gringrich, Huckabee and Glen Beck have enthusiastcally endorsed his work as a ‘historian’. He is eminently qualified to comment on creationism and science. I am surprised you still doubt his credibilty.

  • John C

    David Barton is not a scientist, nor a historian but he is a Christian and a follower of Seven Moutains Domionism, sg.
    He has a degree in religious instruction from that august institution, the Oral Roberts University and an honoury degree in something or other.
    He was appointed by Governor Perry as an ‘advisor’ to the Texas State Board of Education. Gringrich, Huckabee and Glen Beck have enthusiastcally endorsed his work as a ‘historian’. He is eminently qualified to comment on creationism and science. I am surprised you still doubt his credibilty.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    John, that has nothing to do with what is actually in the curriculum or what teachers actually teach. Also, there are folks on the Texas State Board of Education that have views opposite Barton. We could probably dig up some statements from them. So what? Who cares what degrees etc., Barton has? The other folks on the board have degrees, and opinions, yada yada. So what?

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    John, that has nothing to do with what is actually in the curriculum or what teachers actually teach. Also, there are folks on the Texas State Board of Education that have views opposite Barton. We could probably dig up some statements from them. So what? Who cares what degrees etc., Barton has? The other folks on the board have degrees, and opinions, yada yada. So what?

  • John C

    That’s odd sg, I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies. This is the idea that those appointed to public office had qualifications and expertise in the field to to which they were appointed. One would expect an advisor to a state board of education to have some expertise in the field of education — but apparently not in Texas. God help you if Governor Bush becomes President.

  • John C

    That’s odd sg, I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies. This is the idea that those appointed to public office had qualifications and expertise in the field to to which they were appointed. One would expect an advisor to a state board of education to have some expertise in the field of education — but apparently not in Texas. God help you if Governor Bush becomes President.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies.”

    What about influence peddling?

    “One would expect an advisor to a state board of education to have some expertise in the field of education”

    “but apparently not in Texas.” Probably not anywhere. The whole idea is like a sad joke. Probably the worst person to sit on the Board of Education is someone from the education industry. Ed majors consistently score among the lowest on average of all college and grad school applicants. On average they score below the mean of all test takers and even below the female mean.

    “expertise in the field of education” It is practically a contradiction in terms.

    “God help you if Governor Bush becomes President.”

    Some kind of slip? Bush was the governor of Florida.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies.”

    What about influence peddling?

    “One would expect an advisor to a state board of education to have some expertise in the field of education”

    “but apparently not in Texas.” Probably not anywhere. The whole idea is like a sad joke. Probably the worst person to sit on the Board of Education is someone from the education industry. Ed majors consistently score among the lowest on average of all college and grad school applicants. On average they score below the mean of all test takers and even below the female mean.

    “expertise in the field of education” It is practically a contradiction in terms.

    “God help you if Governor Bush becomes President.”

    Some kind of slip? Bush was the governor of Florida.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies.”

    Must be thinking of the private sector.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies.”

    Must be thinking of the private sector.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies.”

    The Congress passed regulations, and the Judiciary issued rulings to outlaw meritocratic practices in order to get votes from those who didn’t like so much competition as well as to get votes from those who couldn’t compete on merit alone.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies.”

    The Congress passed regulations, and the Judiciary issued rulings to outlaw meritocratic practices in order to get votes from those who didn’t like so much competition as well as to get votes from those who couldn’t compete on merit alone.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies.”

    The current principle is the subsidizing and incentivizing of dysfunction.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “I thought meritocracy was the primary organizing principle of western democracies.”

    The current principle is the subsidizing and incentivizing of dysfunction.

  • John C

    So sg, the state of higher education is in such decline and ruin that Governor Perry could not find a prominent academic to advise the Board of Education on curriculum development and therefore had no choice but to appoint David Barton. Sounds dire!
    In practice, the merocratic ideal is often abused but this not an argument that it should be rejected. In fact when Meritocracy is illtreated or ignored one usually finds corruption, incompetence and cronyism — the story of Bush’s life and administration and God did not seem all that interested.

  • John C

    So sg, the state of higher education is in such decline and ruin that Governor Perry could not find a prominent academic to advise the Board of Education on curriculum development and therefore had no choice but to appoint David Barton. Sounds dire!
    In practice, the merocratic ideal is often abused but this not an argument that it should be rejected. In fact when Meritocracy is illtreated or ignored one usually finds corruption, incompetence and cronyism — the story of Bush’s life and administration and God did not seem all that interested.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “the state of higher education is in such decline and ruin that Governor Perry could not find a prominent academic to advise the Board of Education on curriculum development and therefore had no choice but to appoint David Barton.”

    There are already those types on the board and board members can call people and ask their advice, etc. The citizens of Texas may well like Barton and his perspective. Parents may well want someone like Barton representing their positions on the board. There need to be “men of the people” on the board. Anyway, this is K-12 education. So long as the person graduated high school, he is qualified to sit on the board. I can’t think of a worse board of ed than one that is comprised entirely of academics.

    I looked up Barton to see if he is as I remember. Anyway, his big schtick seems to be promoting and publishing and reprinting original source material from American history. That seems pretty good. The rest of his deal seems religiously motivated in as much as he thinks history has been edited to omit quite a bit of religious happenings.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “the state of higher education is in such decline and ruin that Governor Perry could not find a prominent academic to advise the Board of Education on curriculum development and therefore had no choice but to appoint David Barton.”

    There are already those types on the board and board members can call people and ask their advice, etc. The citizens of Texas may well like Barton and his perspective. Parents may well want someone like Barton representing their positions on the board. There need to be “men of the people” on the board. Anyway, this is K-12 education. So long as the person graduated high school, he is qualified to sit on the board. I can’t think of a worse board of ed than one that is comprised entirely of academics.

    I looked up Barton to see if he is as I remember. Anyway, his big schtick seems to be promoting and publishing and reprinting original source material from American history. That seems pretty good. The rest of his deal seems religiously motivated in as much as he thinks history has been edited to omit quite a bit of religious happenings.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “In practice, the merocratic ideal is often abused but this not an argument that it should be rejected.”

    It has been rejected. That is what disparate impact laws do. It is why they exist.

    “In fact when Meritocracy is illtreated or ignored one usually finds corruption, incompetence and cronyism”

    Yup.

    Bush = Obama

    My favorite funny pic of Obama.

    Check out the cheesy light bulb cross. Hilarious.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/14/that-old-rugged-neon-explicit-cross/

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “In practice, the merocratic ideal is often abused but this not an argument that it should be rejected.”

    It has been rejected. That is what disparate impact laws do. It is why they exist.

    “In fact when Meritocracy is illtreated or ignored one usually finds corruption, incompetence and cronyism”

    Yup.

    Bush = Obama

    My favorite funny pic of Obama.

    Check out the cheesy light bulb cross. Hilarious.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/14/that-old-rugged-neon-explicit-cross/

  • John C

    All western democracies have anti discrimination laws — it is part of the social contract. These laws do not undermine the the spirit of a meritocratic ethos — one could argue they probably enhance it.
    Actually, there are quite a few things worse than a Board comprised entirely of academics. How about a Board with a majority of Rightwing political and religious extremists? Now that’s a worry.

  • John C

    All western democracies have anti discrimination laws — it is part of the social contract. These laws do not undermine the the spirit of a meritocratic ethos — one could argue they probably enhance it.
    Actually, there are quite a few things worse than a Board comprised entirely of academics. How about a Board with a majority of Rightwing political and religious extremists? Now that’s a worry.

  • John C

    I would also add that the Right has embraced post modernism more enthusiasically than the Left. Science has lost its authority,at least in Texas. Science is what the school board says it is. Science has not one truth but many.
    Its worth quoting David Barton again, man in street and advisor to Texas Board of Education

    As far as the Founding Fathers were concerned, they’d already had the entire debate over creation and evolution, and you get Thomas Paine, who is the least religious Founding Father, saying you’ve got to teach Creation science in the classroom. Scientific method demands that.”

    This man’s ignorance is stunning but still he is regarded as an expert and helping to shape of education in Texas.
    It looks as though any fool who goes to school is an expert on education.

  • John C

    I would also add that the Right has embraced post modernism more enthusiasically than the Left. Science has lost its authority,at least in Texas. Science is what the school board says it is. Science has not one truth but many.
    Its worth quoting David Barton again, man in street and advisor to Texas Board of Education

    As far as the Founding Fathers were concerned, they’d already had the entire debate over creation and evolution, and you get Thomas Paine, who is the least religious Founding Father, saying you’ve got to teach Creation science in the classroom. Scientific method demands that.”

    This man’s ignorance is stunning but still he is regarded as an expert and helping to shape of education in Texas.
    It looks as though any fool who goes to school is an expert on education.


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