The latest debate

We had another G.O.P. presidential candidate debate.  I’ve stopped watching them, finding them too disheartening.  If you watched it, please report in the comments.  Did anyone rise or fall?

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • larry

    Oh yea, one candidate stood out as the most consistent in his debate prowess last night, John Huntsman.

  • larry

    Oh yea, one candidate stood out as the most consistent in his debate prowess last night, John Huntsman.

  • Lou

    Cain definitely fell, I think. Seemed like all of the other candidates pretty much tore his 9-9-9 plan apart. Toward the end the moderator asked Gingrich why he thinks Cain’s tax plan will be a hard sell and Gingrich replied, “We just saw it.” Great one liner and summed up the whole sentiment of the evening.

    Bachmann had some shining moments as well. But when Cain talked about his fence on the border with Mexico, she responded by saying that she would build “a double fence” — not sure that went over well.

    Perry’ best quote of the evening: “Here’s the 9 we need to get focused on: it’s the 9% unemployment in this country. ” However, he when tried to “bring it” to Romney, he couldn’t “back it up”. As usual, he bumbled and fumbled, whereas Romney was on the mark, concise and consistent. So in the end, Perry just ended up hurting himself when he did this.

  • Lou

    Cain definitely fell, I think. Seemed like all of the other candidates pretty much tore his 9-9-9 plan apart. Toward the end the moderator asked Gingrich why he thinks Cain’s tax plan will be a hard sell and Gingrich replied, “We just saw it.” Great one liner and summed up the whole sentiment of the evening.

    Bachmann had some shining moments as well. But when Cain talked about his fence on the border with Mexico, she responded by saying that she would build “a double fence” — not sure that went over well.

    Perry’ best quote of the evening: “Here’s the 9 we need to get focused on: it’s the 9% unemployment in this country. ” However, he when tried to “bring it” to Romney, he couldn’t “back it up”. As usual, he bumbled and fumbled, whereas Romney was on the mark, concise and consistent. So in the end, Perry just ended up hurting himself when he did this.

  • Joe

    I hereby request that whoever wrote the 9-9-9 plan for Cain give Cain a tutorial on it. I think it is an interesting proposal and worth some discussion. The problem is the guy selling it does not appear to have the ability to discuss it in any detail.

  • Joe

    I hereby request that whoever wrote the 9-9-9 plan for Cain give Cain a tutorial on it. I think it is an interesting proposal and worth some discussion. The problem is the guy selling it does not appear to have the ability to discuss it in any detail.

  • larry

    The debate pretty much summed up thus:

    Mitt and Rick sounded like two 6 year olds bickering through a chain link fence about whose fault it was that the ball got tossed in the high weeds… while the neighborhood mutt wanders away with it. These two come across consistently as the biggest idiots in the house.
    Bachman blinked us to death mostly trying to garner attention by saying, “Me too, I’m still here, hello!”
    Sanitorum whined like he always does.
    Cain fell, but not so much over his tax plan but other answers. Interesting that the power structure left and right agree against this though.
    Paul, nothing new here.
    Gingrich came across the strongest. He had the “ferret out the fake conservative” call of the day when he explained how Mitt and some others still see the solutions “top down” instead of “bottom up”. Gingrich is definitely the idea man and fastest on his feet.
    John Huntsman, in the last debate, not in this one = looked the same.

    I think during the next debate I have some more important scheduled; cleaning the toilets or something.

  • larry

    The debate pretty much summed up thus:

    Mitt and Rick sounded like two 6 year olds bickering through a chain link fence about whose fault it was that the ball got tossed in the high weeds… while the neighborhood mutt wanders away with it. These two come across consistently as the biggest idiots in the house.
    Bachman blinked us to death mostly trying to garner attention by saying, “Me too, I’m still here, hello!”
    Sanitorum whined like he always does.
    Cain fell, but not so much over his tax plan but other answers. Interesting that the power structure left and right agree against this though.
    Paul, nothing new here.
    Gingrich came across the strongest. He had the “ferret out the fake conservative” call of the day when he explained how Mitt and some others still see the solutions “top down” instead of “bottom up”. Gingrich is definitely the idea man and fastest on his feet.
    John Huntsman, in the last debate, not in this one = looked the same.

    I think during the next debate I have some more important scheduled; cleaning the toilets or something.

  • Lou

    larry, ” Gingrich is definitely the idea man and fastest on his feet.”
    Agreed. I saw Gingrich in the same way too.

    On the other hand, I think in the tit for tat between Perry and Romney, Romney came away looking like the grown up. But I’ve heard others who don’t agree with me (think he was too condescending and slick, etc)

  • Lou

    larry, ” Gingrich is definitely the idea man and fastest on his feet.”
    Agreed. I saw Gingrich in the same way too.

    On the other hand, I think in the tit for tat between Perry and Romney, Romney came away looking like the grown up. But I’ve heard others who don’t agree with me (think he was too condescending and slick, etc)

  • Jerry

    I’m not sure if I would vote for someone who would agree to participate in these brawls. They appear to be designed only to give the candidates black eyes, and to provide material for future Obama re-elections ads. Gingrich came out ahead–he’s showing his political awareness at least is ahead of the others; probably comes from having three wives.

  • Jerry

    I’m not sure if I would vote for someone who would agree to participate in these brawls. They appear to be designed only to give the candidates black eyes, and to provide material for future Obama re-elections ads. Gingrich came out ahead–he’s showing his political awareness at least is ahead of the others; probably comes from having three wives.

  • larry

    Lou,

    I’d agree on the Romney vs Perry thing, with this caveat: Perry was the six year old and Romney was closer to a ten year old. “Adult” is being kind to him:-)

    Agreed definitely on Newt.

  • larry

    Lou,

    I’d agree on the Romney vs Perry thing, with this caveat: Perry was the six year old and Romney was closer to a ten year old. “Adult” is being kind to him:-)

    Agreed definitely on Newt.

  • steve

    All the front-runners fell, in my opinion (which already hasn’t been very high lately). Romney probably didn’t fall as far and Gingrich probably rose a bit. It’s all a big shame.

  • steve

    All the front-runners fell, in my opinion (which already hasn’t been very high lately). Romney probably didn’t fall as far and Gingrich probably rose a bit. It’s all a big shame.

  • Norman Teigen

    One source said that Anderson Cooper was the big loser.

  • Norman Teigen

    One source said that Anderson Cooper was the big loser.

  • mrpreacherman

    The whole Perry-Romney, Romney-Perry thing is horrible. Comparied to the rest of the field, both of them do not seem to be genuine. And, if you want to really know their ideas, you need to buy their book… Cain, Gingrich, and Paul talk in terms of solutions, which is what a lot of people are looking for.

  • mrpreacherman

    The whole Perry-Romney, Romney-Perry thing is horrible. Comparied to the rest of the field, both of them do not seem to be genuine. And, if you want to really know their ideas, you need to buy their book… Cain, Gingrich, and Paul talk in terms of solutions, which is what a lot of people are looking for.

  • Grace

    Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul are very much in the race:

    Newt Gingrich won the debate – much to my surprise Ron Paul was excellent, he knew exactly what he was talking about. As for now, they are the two front runners.

    Romney was a disaster, he laughed like a school boy, trying to insight a fight with Perry, then laughing in Perry’s face, when that didn’t garner more anger, Romney stretched out his arm and put his hand on Perry’s shoulder like the school yard bully.

    Cain’s 999 plan fell apart, perhaps for good – this idea may have been a successful tool in the pizza business, but it’s no plan for this countries financial crisis.

    Bachmann wore a beautiful cream colored jacket! :lol:

    Santorum should excuse himself, in more ways then one.

    As for Anderson Cooper – he delighted in stirring up a fight between Perry and Romney.

    Newt Gingrich made one of the greatest statements of the night – it will live on, long after the election is over!

    Regarding a candidates religion
    CNN Transcript 10-18-2011
    CNN LIVE EVENT/SPECIAL

    GINGRICH: “Well, I think if the question is, does faith matter? Absolutely. How can you have a country which is founded on truths which begins we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights? How can you have the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 which says religion, morality and knowledge being important, education matters. That’s the order: religion, morality and knowledge.

    Now, I happen to think that none of us should rush in judgment of others in the way in which they approach God. And I think that all of us up here I believe would agree. (APPLAUSE)

    But I think all of us would also agree that there’s a very central part of your faith in how you approach public life. And I, frankly, would be really worried if somebody assured me that nothing in their faith would affect their judgments, because then I’d wonder, where’s your judgment — how can you have judgment if you have no faith? And how can I trust you with power if you don’t pray?

    (APPLAUSE)

    Who you pray to, how you pray, how you come close to God is between you and God. But the notion that you’re endowed by your creator sets a certain boundary on what we mean by America.”

  • Grace

    Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul are very much in the race:

    Newt Gingrich won the debate – much to my surprise Ron Paul was excellent, he knew exactly what he was talking about. As for now, they are the two front runners.

    Romney was a disaster, he laughed like a school boy, trying to insight a fight with Perry, then laughing in Perry’s face, when that didn’t garner more anger, Romney stretched out his arm and put his hand on Perry’s shoulder like the school yard bully.

    Cain’s 999 plan fell apart, perhaps for good – this idea may have been a successful tool in the pizza business, but it’s no plan for this countries financial crisis.

    Bachmann wore a beautiful cream colored jacket! :lol:

    Santorum should excuse himself, in more ways then one.

    As for Anderson Cooper – he delighted in stirring up a fight between Perry and Romney.

    Newt Gingrich made one of the greatest statements of the night – it will live on, long after the election is over!

    Regarding a candidates religion
    CNN Transcript 10-18-2011
    CNN LIVE EVENT/SPECIAL

    GINGRICH: “Well, I think if the question is, does faith matter? Absolutely. How can you have a country which is founded on truths which begins we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights? How can you have the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 which says religion, morality and knowledge being important, education matters. That’s the order: religion, morality and knowledge.

    Now, I happen to think that none of us should rush in judgment of others in the way in which they approach God. And I think that all of us up here I believe would agree. (APPLAUSE)

    But I think all of us would also agree that there’s a very central part of your faith in how you approach public life. And I, frankly, would be really worried if somebody assured me that nothing in their faith would affect their judgments, because then I’d wonder, where’s your judgment — how can you have judgment if you have no faith? And how can I trust you with power if you don’t pray?

    (APPLAUSE)

    Who you pray to, how you pray, how you come close to God is between you and God. But the notion that you’re endowed by your creator sets a certain boundary on what we mean by America.”

  • Elise

    Gingrich won, in my opinion, because he came across as sharp, serious, and capable. Cain did not do as well as I hoped but he managed a decent performance, especially in the last half of the debate. Romney and Perry were fighting like little kids. Both came across as petty/immature, but Perry much more so than Romney. Santorum/Bachman didn’t make much of an impact… and I was quite pleased at the absence of Jon Huntsman; didn’t miss him at all!

  • Elise

    Gingrich won, in my opinion, because he came across as sharp, serious, and capable. Cain did not do as well as I hoped but he managed a decent performance, especially in the last half of the debate. Romney and Perry were fighting like little kids. Both came across as petty/immature, but Perry much more so than Romney. Santorum/Bachman didn’t make much of an impact… and I was quite pleased at the absence of Jon Huntsman; didn’t miss him at all!

  • Helen K.

    Newt is astute, but…..the bottom line is…would he, or could he, beat Obama? Lord Have Mercy.

  • Helen K.

    Newt is astute, but…..the bottom line is…would he, or could he, beat Obama? Lord Have Mercy.

  • Jimmy Veith

    Perry proved that he was truly a man of the people, when he used the term “fixin’ to”, and referred to the only black candidate as “brother”. :)

  • Jimmy Veith

    Perry proved that he was truly a man of the people, when he used the term “fixin’ to”, and referred to the only black candidate as “brother”. :)

  • JunkerGeorg

    I was truly amused watching Goldman Sachs (Romney) fighting the Fed (Cain) over apples and oranges, as well as Perry bent over backwards from unsuccessful attempts at bringing down Romney, and Romney keeled over from taking some hard shots from Santorum. Overall, it was entertaining to watch Rino Neocons feeding on each other. :)

    Was happy to see CNN show much more class than Faux News and other media when it came to giving Ron Paul at least some time to speak, at least more than normal. And it was nice to see Romney and Cain admit he was right regarding answers he gave to a couple questions. Granted, unlike the rest of the candidates, he was cut off from making a closing statement. Oh well. I still think if he can overcome the media blackouts, RP just might have a shot, albeit slim, of contending. He is the only candidate who has presented a plan which has a balanced budget included in his plan for saving/restoring the economy. One which cuts out 5 beaurocracies to boot!

  • JunkerGeorg

    I was truly amused watching Goldman Sachs (Romney) fighting the Fed (Cain) over apples and oranges, as well as Perry bent over backwards from unsuccessful attempts at bringing down Romney, and Romney keeled over from taking some hard shots from Santorum. Overall, it was entertaining to watch Rino Neocons feeding on each other. :)

    Was happy to see CNN show much more class than Faux News and other media when it came to giving Ron Paul at least some time to speak, at least more than normal. And it was nice to see Romney and Cain admit he was right regarding answers he gave to a couple questions. Granted, unlike the rest of the candidates, he was cut off from making a closing statement. Oh well. I still think if he can overcome the media blackouts, RP just might have a shot, albeit slim, of contending. He is the only candidate who has presented a plan which has a balanced budget included in his plan for saving/restoring the economy. One which cuts out 5 beaurocracies to boot!

  • Deborah

    I tried to watch but it was too painful. Where, oh where, are the true conservatives? Pres. Obama is vulnerable and could easily be a one-termer in light of his disastrous first 3 years, but none of the current crop in the GOP seem serious enough. I would love to see Paul Ryan jump in. He’s a serious man who’s not afraid to stand up for his convictions.

  • Deborah

    I tried to watch but it was too painful. Where, oh where, are the true conservatives? Pres. Obama is vulnerable and could easily be a one-termer in light of his disastrous first 3 years, but none of the current crop in the GOP seem serious enough. I would love to see Paul Ryan jump in. He’s a serious man who’s not afraid to stand up for his convictions.

  • Bob

    Ugly, ugly, ugly.

    The debating points were ugly, too.
    :)

  • Bob

    Ugly, ugly, ugly.

    The debating points were ugly, too.
    :)

  • larry

    I think, based on conversations I’ve had with who is offered, many conservatives “secret pick” is Newt. They are just afraid for some reason to come right out and say so.

    The pundits and talking heads, left and right, missed Newt’s statement after the others blasted Cain’s plan at the beginning. He was asked why he thought it wouldn’t work and answer, “I think you saw why.”

    He was not concurring with the others disagreement with Cain’s plan but displaying that the Washington “beast”, rep. as it were and dem., will not embrace any real change because it shifts power…irrespective of the details of Cain’s specific plan.

  • larry

    I think, based on conversations I’ve had with who is offered, many conservatives “secret pick” is Newt. They are just afraid for some reason to come right out and say so.

    The pundits and talking heads, left and right, missed Newt’s statement after the others blasted Cain’s plan at the beginning. He was asked why he thought it wouldn’t work and answer, “I think you saw why.”

    He was not concurring with the others disagreement with Cain’s plan but displaying that the Washington “beast”, rep. as it were and dem., will not embrace any real change because it shifts power…irrespective of the details of Cain’s specific plan.

  • Lou

    Yes, I caught that too. (See my #4 here)

  • Lou

    Yes, I caught that too. (See my #4 here)


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