Israel considering a strike against Iran?

Wars and rumors of war:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to rally support in his cabinet for an attack on Iran, according to government sources.

The country’s defence minister Ehud Barak and the foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman are said to be among those backing a pre-emptive strike to neutralise Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

But a narrow majority of ministers currently oppose the move, which could trigger a wave of regional retaliation.

The debate over possible Israeli military action has reached fever pitch in recent days with newspaper leader columns discussing the benefits and dangers of hitting Iran.

Mr Lieberman responded to the reports of a push to gain cabinet approval by saying that “Iran poses the most dangerous threat to world order.”

But he said Israel’s military options should not be a matter for public discussion.

The inside of reactor at the Russian-built Bushehr nuclear power plant in southern Iran, 1200 Kms south of Tehran, where Iran has began to unload fuel for the nuclear power plant

The reactor at the Russian-built Bushehr nuclear power plant where Iran has began to unload fuel for the nuclear power plant

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is due to report on the state of Iran’s nuclear capabilities on November 8, and that assessment is likely to influence Israel’s decision.

Western intelligence officials estimate that Iran is still at least two to three years away from obtaining a nuclear bomb.

Israel has long made it clear that it will not allow Iran to obtain a nuclear capability that could threaten the Jewish State.

Publicly it is pushing for a diplomatic offensive against Iran – including the imposition of sanctions – rather than a military strike.

But prime minister Netanyahu has repeatedly warned that all options are on the table.

via Israel PM Benjamin Netanyahu Considers Pre-Emptive Attack On Iran To Prevent Nuclear Capability | World News | Sky News.

For Iran’s saber rattling, threatening  both Israel and the United States should this happen, see this.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Joe

    I would support an Israeli strike. Iran is an actual threat to Israel. If it obtains weaponized nuclear material it can deliver it against targets in Israel fairly easily. Waiting to respond to a nuclear attack before preforming a surgical air strike (like the one against Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1981) would be poor public policy.

    Also, I don’t think the actual reaction in the Middle East would be that great – much like it wasn’t that big in 1981. The reality is that the Saudi’s don’t want a nuclear Iran, neither do the Iraqi’s (except Sadar’s militia). Iran has great influence in Lebanon and Syria so there will be some cross boarder attacks and the Palestinians would also launch some attacks. But that is a possibility for Israel at any given time.

    The best part of this is that the US would not have to be directly involved.

  • Joe

    I would support an Israeli strike. Iran is an actual threat to Israel. If it obtains weaponized nuclear material it can deliver it against targets in Israel fairly easily. Waiting to respond to a nuclear attack before preforming a surgical air strike (like the one against Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1981) would be poor public policy.

    Also, I don’t think the actual reaction in the Middle East would be that great – much like it wasn’t that big in 1981. The reality is that the Saudi’s don’t want a nuclear Iran, neither do the Iraqi’s (except Sadar’s militia). Iran has great influence in Lebanon and Syria so there will be some cross boarder attacks and the Palestinians would also launch some attacks. But that is a possibility for Israel at any given time.

    The best part of this is that the US would not have to be directly involved.

  • Carl Vehse

    Let’s see… Iraq’s nuclear facility… Syria’s nuclear facility… and now Iran’s nuclear facility. There seems to be a consistent pattern here.

    Oh, and then there’s Lebanon. When I was in Beirut in the late 90s, Israel would fly their jets overhead and occasionally take out an electrical power plant in retaliation for a Hamas attack.

  • Carl Vehse

    Let’s see… Iraq’s nuclear facility… Syria’s nuclear facility… and now Iran’s nuclear facility. There seems to be a consistent pattern here.

    Oh, and then there’s Lebanon. When I was in Beirut in the late 90s, Israel would fly their jets overhead and occasionally take out an electrical power plant in retaliation for a Hamas attack.

  • –helen

    Israel should be told that if they start a war with Iran, not only will we not bail them out, but we will stop every arms shipment and every government dollar going to Israel on that day. Because of those dollars and arms shipments we are directly implicated in what Israel does, whether we think so or even know it.

    [The Palestinian knows, when his olive grove is unsafe because Israelis are shooting at him with American provided weapons.]

    How are we going to fight yet another war with a reduced military!?
    And why should we?

    A great deal has been made about various “supposed nuclear capability” around the ME. Meanwhile it’s a given that Israel has anything we have, but there’s utter silence, at least in this (free?) country about that. If I were an Arab, it would at least make me wonder why they need them, (and they had them first).

    [And are those electric plants taken out with US planes, too?]

  • –helen

    Israel should be told that if they start a war with Iran, not only will we not bail them out, but we will stop every arms shipment and every government dollar going to Israel on that day. Because of those dollars and arms shipments we are directly implicated in what Israel does, whether we think so or even know it.

    [The Palestinian knows, when his olive grove is unsafe because Israelis are shooting at him with American provided weapons.]

    How are we going to fight yet another war with a reduced military!?
    And why should we?

    A great deal has been made about various “supposed nuclear capability” around the ME. Meanwhile it’s a given that Israel has anything we have, but there’s utter silence, at least in this (free?) country about that. If I were an Arab, it would at least make me wonder why they need them, (and they had them first).

    [And are those electric plants taken out with US planes, too?]

  • Carl Vehse

    [The Palestinian knows, when his olive grove is unsafe because Israelis are shooting at him with American provided weapons.]

    The Palestinian olive grove (or house or church) is probably unsafe because Palestinian terrorists use them to lob Iran-, Russian-, Chicom- or Europe-provided mortars on men, women and children in nearby Israeli kibbutzes, apartments, or hospitals. Whereupon the Israeli military triangulates the location and reciprocates with its own artillery or air strike on that location.

    As noted decades ago in a 1975 symposium paper: “It is the technology of precision, both in time and space which carries the promise of advantage of defense over offense, and the credibility of defense by few against many.” (Prof. Saadia Amiel, Director, Long Range Planning, Israeli Ministry of Defense, in Military aspects of the Israeli-Arab conflict)

    If I were an Arab, it would at least make me wonder why they need them [nuclear weapons].

    The Islamic Arab knows exactly why Israel needs nuclear weapons.

    [And are those electric plants taken out with US planes, too?]

    No, they were taken out by Israeli pilots flying Israeli planes purchased from the U.S.

    BTW, later in 1978 (shortly before his death from cancer at 48), Saadia Amiel stated in an article, “Deterrence by Conventional Forces”: “Without very clear offensive options, a merely passive or responsive defensive strategy, which is based on firepower and fighting on friendly territory, cannot withstand an offensive strategy of an aggressor who possesses a relatively large, well-prepared standing offensive force.”

    In the early 70s, I had the opportunity, when he was in the U.S. during the summer, to learn and work with Saadia Amiel on a hot-atom research project.

  • Carl Vehse

    [The Palestinian knows, when his olive grove is unsafe because Israelis are shooting at him with American provided weapons.]

    The Palestinian olive grove (or house or church) is probably unsafe because Palestinian terrorists use them to lob Iran-, Russian-, Chicom- or Europe-provided mortars on men, women and children in nearby Israeli kibbutzes, apartments, or hospitals. Whereupon the Israeli military triangulates the location and reciprocates with its own artillery or air strike on that location.

    As noted decades ago in a 1975 symposium paper: “It is the technology of precision, both in time and space which carries the promise of advantage of defense over offense, and the credibility of defense by few against many.” (Prof. Saadia Amiel, Director, Long Range Planning, Israeli Ministry of Defense, in Military aspects of the Israeli-Arab conflict)

    If I were an Arab, it would at least make me wonder why they need them [nuclear weapons].

    The Islamic Arab knows exactly why Israel needs nuclear weapons.

    [And are those electric plants taken out with US planes, too?]

    No, they were taken out by Israeli pilots flying Israeli planes purchased from the U.S.

    BTW, later in 1978 (shortly before his death from cancer at 48), Saadia Amiel stated in an article, “Deterrence by Conventional Forces”: “Without very clear offensive options, a merely passive or responsive defensive strategy, which is based on firepower and fighting on friendly territory, cannot withstand an offensive strategy of an aggressor who possesses a relatively large, well-prepared standing offensive force.”

    In the early 70s, I had the opportunity, when he was in the U.S. during the summer, to learn and work with Saadia Amiel on a hot-atom research project.

  • Carl Vehse

    Excerpted from “Israeli PM orders investigation into Iran leak“:

    Israel’s prime minister has ordered an investigation into alleged leaks of plans to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, it has been reported.

    According to the Kuwaiti newspaper al-Jarida, the main suspects are the former heads of the Mossad and the Shin Bet, respectively Israel’s foreign and domestic intelligence agencies.

    Netanyahu is said to believe that the two, Meir Dagan and Yuval Diskin, wanted to torpedo plans being drawn up by him and Ehud Barak, the defence minister, to hit Iranian nuclear sites. Tzipi Livni, leader of the opposition Kadima party, is also said to have been persuaded to attack Netanyahu for “adventurism” and “gambling with Israel’s national interest”….

    The Kuwait paper has a track record of running stories based on apparently high-level leaks from Israeli officials.

    Even well-informed Israeli observers admit to being confused about what is going on behind the scenes.

    “It seems that only Netanyahu and Barak know, and maybe even they haven’t decided,” commented Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff, both respected Haaretz writers. “While many people say Netanyahu and Barak are conducting sophisticated psychological warfare and don’t intend to launch a military operation, top officials … are still afraid.”

  • Carl Vehse

    Excerpted from “Israeli PM orders investigation into Iran leak“:

    Israel’s prime minister has ordered an investigation into alleged leaks of plans to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, it has been reported.

    According to the Kuwaiti newspaper al-Jarida, the main suspects are the former heads of the Mossad and the Shin Bet, respectively Israel’s foreign and domestic intelligence agencies.

    Netanyahu is said to believe that the two, Meir Dagan and Yuval Diskin, wanted to torpedo plans being drawn up by him and Ehud Barak, the defence minister, to hit Iranian nuclear sites. Tzipi Livni, leader of the opposition Kadima party, is also said to have been persuaded to attack Netanyahu for “adventurism” and “gambling with Israel’s national interest”….

    The Kuwait paper has a track record of running stories based on apparently high-level leaks from Israeli officials.

    Even well-informed Israeli observers admit to being confused about what is going on behind the scenes.

    “It seems that only Netanyahu and Barak know, and maybe even they haven’t decided,” commented Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff, both respected Haaretz writers. “While many people say Netanyahu and Barak are conducting sophisticated psychological warfare and don’t intend to launch a military operation, top officials … are still afraid.”

  • kerner

    Well, not exactly Carl. Israel purchases its aircraft from us with money we give them. So, maye it is technically correct to say they “purchased” the aircraft from us, but it’s like those deals some stores have “Free after mail in rebate”. In substance, we are building the aircraft, and then giving the Israelis the money to “buy” them.

    The subtleties of all this are lost on the people Israel makes war upon. And it is no wonder that Israel’s enemies consider themselves to be the enemies of the USA as well.

    All of which would be fine with me if I could be shown why it is in the interest of the United States to be the enemies of everyone who has a bone to pick with Israel.

  • kerner

    Well, not exactly Carl. Israel purchases its aircraft from us with money we give them. So, maye it is technically correct to say they “purchased” the aircraft from us, but it’s like those deals some stores have “Free after mail in rebate”. In substance, we are building the aircraft, and then giving the Israelis the money to “buy” them.

    The subtleties of all this are lost on the people Israel makes war upon. And it is no wonder that Israel’s enemies consider themselves to be the enemies of the USA as well.

    All of which would be fine with me if I could be shown why it is in the interest of the United States to be the enemies of everyone who has a bone to pick with Israel.

  • kerner
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  • Carl Vehse

    Well, yes exactly, kerner. Israel didn’t steal the money if we gave it to them. Of course there may be some kind of deal between us and them that we taxpayers haven’t been told.

    As for the people the Israelis make war on, they should work extra hard to alleviate the reasons that have caused the Israelis to make war on them (like, for example, trying to annihilate Israel).

    As for why it is in our interest to be enemies of everyone who has “a bone to pick with Israel,” a better question would be why would everyone who has a bone to pick with Israel think it is in their interest to be enemies of us.

  • Carl Vehse

    Well, yes exactly, kerner. Israel didn’t steal the money if we gave it to them. Of course there may be some kind of deal between us and them that we taxpayers haven’t been told.

    As for the people the Israelis make war on, they should work extra hard to alleviate the reasons that have caused the Israelis to make war on them (like, for example, trying to annihilate Israel).

    As for why it is in our interest to be enemies of everyone who has “a bone to pick with Israel,” a better question would be why would everyone who has a bone to pick with Israel think it is in their interest to be enemies of us.

  • kerner

    No, Carl, that’s not the question at all. It should be obvious that, when we side with Israel, Israel’s enemies become our enemies.

    The question is, why should we side with either of them?

  • kerner

    No, Carl, that’s not the question at all. It should be obvious that, when we side with Israel, Israel’s enemies become our enemies.

    The question is, why should we side with either of them?

  • Abby

    Kerner @9: “. . . why should we side with either of them?” . . . because Israel is so small and the thugs and bullies want to keep beating up on them. At least Israel still believes in Yahweh.

  • Abby

    Kerner @9: “. . . why should we side with either of them?” . . . because Israel is so small and the thugs and bullies want to keep beating up on them. At least Israel still believes in Yahweh.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Israel does not believe in the same Yahweh that we do, Abby (@10). The Yahweh that we believe in was made flesh and walked among us, and died on a cross for our sins. Most Israelis know nothing of this Yahweh.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Israel does not believe in the same Yahweh that we do, Abby (@10). The Yahweh that we believe in was made flesh and walked among us, and died on a cross for our sins. Most Israelis know nothing of this Yahweh.

  • Abby

    Todd @11: I understand. But I still do not understand any reason for not helping them defend themselves. I’m “attached” to the area because it is where Jesus was born, walked and talked, and was raised from the dead. I still have a heart for Israel because God did from the beginning when He called them out to be His people. Israel, if I understand correctly, practices freedom and democracy. We feel close to them because of some shared political ideologies. And I still do believe they believe in the Yahweh that they knew before Jesus came. To know Him would make them complete. And it seems, from scripture, that that will happen someday. Paul said that right now the Gentiles know the truth becuase Israel rejected it. However, he also said that we must not become arrogant about that or God would cut us off as well. I always appreciate your comments, Todd. You have a way of always looking at the other side and keeping us on our toes. Not that I always agree with you! But I appreciate you.

  • Abby

    Todd @11: I understand. But I still do not understand any reason for not helping them defend themselves. I’m “attached” to the area because it is where Jesus was born, walked and talked, and was raised from the dead. I still have a heart for Israel because God did from the beginning when He called them out to be His people. Israel, if I understand correctly, practices freedom and democracy. We feel close to them because of some shared political ideologies. And I still do believe they believe in the Yahweh that they knew before Jesus came. To know Him would make them complete. And it seems, from scripture, that that will happen someday. Paul said that right now the Gentiles know the truth becuase Israel rejected it. However, he also said that we must not become arrogant about that or God would cut us off as well. I always appreciate your comments, Todd. You have a way of always looking at the other side and keeping us on our toes. Not that I always agree with you! But I appreciate you.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Abby (@12) said

    I still do not understand any reason for not helping them defend themselves.

    Likely for the same reasons we don’t help — at least, to that extent — most other countries defend themselves.

    I’m “attached” to the area because it is where Jesus was born, walked and talked

    Are you likewise in favor of the US giving special financial and military help to Greece and Turkey, owing to their geographical roles in the New Testament? Should we also help Palestine for the reasons you list?

    Israel, if I understand correctly, practices freedom and democracy.

    Kind of depends on who you are in Israel and what you believe, as I understand it.

    And I still do believe they believe in the Yahweh that they knew before Jesus came.

    Nobody in Israel is that old, Abby. God revealed himself in the flesh over 2000 years ago. They overwhelmingly rejected Him then, and the great majority of Israelis today continue to reject Yahweh and his plan for salvation.

    It would be arrogant for us Christians to likewise reject Jesus and the salvation we have solely through him — that is true. But the Jews in Israel no more believe in Yahweh than do the Muslims in Israel.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Abby (@12) said

    I still do not understand any reason for not helping them defend themselves.

    Likely for the same reasons we don’t help — at least, to that extent — most other countries defend themselves.

    I’m “attached” to the area because it is where Jesus was born, walked and talked

    Are you likewise in favor of the US giving special financial and military help to Greece and Turkey, owing to their geographical roles in the New Testament? Should we also help Palestine for the reasons you list?

    Israel, if I understand correctly, practices freedom and democracy.

    Kind of depends on who you are in Israel and what you believe, as I understand it.

    And I still do believe they believe in the Yahweh that they knew before Jesus came.

    Nobody in Israel is that old, Abby. God revealed himself in the flesh over 2000 years ago. They overwhelmingly rejected Him then, and the great majority of Israelis today continue to reject Yahweh and his plan for salvation.

    It would be arrogant for us Christians to likewise reject Jesus and the salvation we have solely through him — that is true. But the Jews in Israel no more believe in Yahweh than do the Muslims in Israel.

  • Carl Vehse

    Typically we support Israel on those issues which are, overall, beneficial to us, and we do not support Israel on those issues which, overall, are harmful to us. In the last half century there have tended to be more times in which the U.S. has found it in their overall interest to support Israel rather than not support them.

    Ironically, at the same time and in similar ways, we have also supported Israel’s Islamic enemies, for reasons beneficial to the U.S., primarily to provide cheap oil during the Cold War, and that such support would serve as a disadvantage to our (usually strategic) enemies.

  • Carl Vehse

    Typically we support Israel on those issues which are, overall, beneficial to us, and we do not support Israel on those issues which, overall, are harmful to us. In the last half century there have tended to be more times in which the U.S. has found it in their overall interest to support Israel rather than not support them.

    Ironically, at the same time and in similar ways, we have also supported Israel’s Islamic enemies, for reasons beneficial to the U.S., primarily to provide cheap oil during the Cold War, and that such support would serve as a disadvantage to our (usually strategic) enemies.

  • Abby

    Todd @13: Hmmmmm — I can’t argue with you, Todd. I’m just stuck in my love for Israel. I can’t help but think that God still loves Israel too–even when they’re under discipline. And, as Carl points out, we do provide lots of aid for “sides” all over the world — even if they hate us. It’s just a product of the big chess game we play. That’s purely the Left Hand Kingdom. I’m thinking about the other Kingdom.

  • Abby

    Todd @13: Hmmmmm — I can’t argue with you, Todd. I’m just stuck in my love for Israel. I can’t help but think that God still loves Israel too–even when they’re under discipline. And, as Carl points out, we do provide lots of aid for “sides” all over the world — even if they hate us. It’s just a product of the big chess game we play. That’s purely the Left Hand Kingdom. I’m thinking about the other Kingdom.

  • Abby

    I participated in an event to witness to Jewish people on the streets of New York. This event was through Apple of His Eye/LCMS. We passed out tracks that were written particularly to Jewish people. I received a lot of “black” looks from some. One elderly lady even spit at me. One man, David, stopped to talk. His heart was breaking because he did not know if he were indeed keeping the “kosher” laws well enough. And he cried about it as he explained. When he was finished I tried to tell him about Jesus being the atonement for him — that he had kept everything perfectly for him and would forgive all of his sins. He thought a minute, then shook his head meaning he couldn’t believe that, and then walked away. He was still holding this deep grief for his sins but could not accept the Savior. I cried for him. I still hope and pray for Israel. And witness if I can.

  • Abby

    I participated in an event to witness to Jewish people on the streets of New York. This event was through Apple of His Eye/LCMS. We passed out tracks that were written particularly to Jewish people. I received a lot of “black” looks from some. One elderly lady even spit at me. One man, David, stopped to talk. His heart was breaking because he did not know if he were indeed keeping the “kosher” laws well enough. And he cried about it as he explained. When he was finished I tried to tell him about Jesus being the atonement for him — that he had kept everything perfectly for him and would forgive all of his sins. He thought a minute, then shook his head meaning he couldn’t believe that, and then walked away. He was still holding this deep grief for his sins but could not accept the Savior. I cried for him. I still hope and pray for Israel. And witness if I can.

  • Abby

    Only one more thing—I support Israel’s right to exist. There seems to still be people who would have no problem absolutely exterminating all Jewish people from the face of the earth, like Hitler and others tried to do. Where does this extreme hatred come from? And if any other tiny nation on earth were subject to this kind of treatment from bullies–I would want to defend their right to exist too.

  • Abby

    Only one more thing—I support Israel’s right to exist. There seems to still be people who would have no problem absolutely exterminating all Jewish people from the face of the earth, like Hitler and others tried to do. Where does this extreme hatred come from? And if any other tiny nation on earth were subject to this kind of treatment from bullies–I would want to defend their right to exist too.

  • Joe

    Abby – Israel is a nuclear power that has consistently kicked the snot out of its neighbors. They may be geographically tiny but lets not make them out to be helpless.

  • Joe

    Abby – Israel is a nuclear power that has consistently kicked the snot out of its neighbors. They may be geographically tiny but lets not make them out to be helpless.

  • Abby

    Joe @ 18: I don’t think I portrayed them as helpless. Right now I’m in a “Yeshiva” style Bible study led by a Jewish christian. We’re studying the life of King David. You are right — they have for a long time “kicked the snot out of its neighbors.” Also, for good reason I might add. And also by God’s orders sometimes. (1Sam 15) King David was a hawk for God and the poor and needy. He, along with God, hated idolatry. Of course, this is Old Testament.

    What Jesus does when He returns: Rev 19:11-21.

  • Abby

    Joe @ 18: I don’t think I portrayed them as helpless. Right now I’m in a “Yeshiva” style Bible study led by a Jewish christian. We’re studying the life of King David. You are right — they have for a long time “kicked the snot out of its neighbors.” Also, for good reason I might add. And also by God’s orders sometimes. (1Sam 15) King David was a hawk for God and the poor and needy. He, along with God, hated idolatry. Of course, this is Old Testament.

    What Jesus does when He returns: Rev 19:11-21.

  • kerner

    Typically we support Israel on those issues which are, overall, beneficial to us…

    Save the generalities, Carl. Give us some examples. Name one thing Israel has ever done for us that we couldn’t have done for ourselves just as easily. Name one way that the USA would be harmed if we weren’t supporting Israel. Name one way in which supporting Israel has benefited us. Abby at least gives us her real reason. She doesn’t pretend that she’s supporting Israel for reasons oif national interest. She’s “just stuck in [her] love for Israel”.

    Abby. I understand that you love the Jews, and it is right for all of us to love our neighbors. But a political entity is not our neighbor per se, i.e. the Israelis might be our neighbors, but the state of Israel is not.

    But I have to ask, are the Arabs not our neighbors as well? What about our brothers and sisters in Christ, who are treated very badly in Israel by the Israelis, because they are Arabs? Can’t you love them too?

    Much as I appreaciate Apple of His Eye, and I do, we have to remember that the Church has a place for all kinds of people.

  • kerner

    Typically we support Israel on those issues which are, overall, beneficial to us…

    Save the generalities, Carl. Give us some examples. Name one thing Israel has ever done for us that we couldn’t have done for ourselves just as easily. Name one way that the USA would be harmed if we weren’t supporting Israel. Name one way in which supporting Israel has benefited us. Abby at least gives us her real reason. She doesn’t pretend that she’s supporting Israel for reasons oif national interest. She’s “just stuck in [her] love for Israel”.

    Abby. I understand that you love the Jews, and it is right for all of us to love our neighbors. But a political entity is not our neighbor per se, i.e. the Israelis might be our neighbors, but the state of Israel is not.

    But I have to ask, are the Arabs not our neighbors as well? What about our brothers and sisters in Christ, who are treated very badly in Israel by the Israelis, because they are Arabs? Can’t you love them too?

    Much as I appreaciate Apple of His Eye, and I do, we have to remember that the Church has a place for all kinds of people.

  • Abby

    kerner @ 20: I love your question! (“. . .because they are Arabs? Can’t you love them too?”)

    I was married to an Arab! I do love them! I’m married to a whole community of them! His grandparents had to flee to the United States because of Muslim persecution. His grandfather became an Eastern Orthodox priest and founded 2 Eastern churches in his city. They are still thriving today. I still attend both churches with my husband’s family. My husband was 1/2 Syrian and 1/2 Lebanese. My husband’s grandparents (Lebanon) were killed during the French Revolution. And his dad was brought here as an orphan. They had trouble there with the Druse (Muslim).

    Right now a member of one of these congregations just became elected to the House of Representatives in Washington D.C. Justin’s family was brought to our city years ago by a Christian minister. They were refugees from Palestine and were born near Bethlehem. Justin recently this year said: “Despite his heritage, Justin, 31, said his stance on the issue is the same as it always has been and that American needs to scale back its military spending and presence in foreign countries. ‘I don’t have anything against Israelis or Palestinians, I hope they have peace in that part of the world, but I don’t think the president should dictate the outcome. . . The President is urging that a Palestinian state be based on 1967 borders . . . Only the two countries can negotiate. The President is making it seem like the United States is dictating to Israel what the borders should be.’ Justin said. And that is from a Palestinian.

    The problems over there are as old as dirt. And, in my opinion, will not be resolved until Jesus returns. And, yes, I love the Jews and the Arabs!

  • Abby

    kerner @ 20: I love your question! (“. . .because they are Arabs? Can’t you love them too?”)

    I was married to an Arab! I do love them! I’m married to a whole community of them! His grandparents had to flee to the United States because of Muslim persecution. His grandfather became an Eastern Orthodox priest and founded 2 Eastern churches in his city. They are still thriving today. I still attend both churches with my husband’s family. My husband was 1/2 Syrian and 1/2 Lebanese. My husband’s grandparents (Lebanon) were killed during the French Revolution. And his dad was brought here as an orphan. They had trouble there with the Druse (Muslim).

    Right now a member of one of these congregations just became elected to the House of Representatives in Washington D.C. Justin’s family was brought to our city years ago by a Christian minister. They were refugees from Palestine and were born near Bethlehem. Justin recently this year said: “Despite his heritage, Justin, 31, said his stance on the issue is the same as it always has been and that American needs to scale back its military spending and presence in foreign countries. ‘I don’t have anything against Israelis or Palestinians, I hope they have peace in that part of the world, but I don’t think the president should dictate the outcome. . . The President is urging that a Palestinian state be based on 1967 borders . . . Only the two countries can negotiate. The President is making it seem like the United States is dictating to Israel what the borders should be.’ Justin said. And that is from a Palestinian.

    The problems over there are as old as dirt. And, in my opinion, will not be resolved until Jesus returns. And, yes, I love the Jews and the Arabs!

  • Abby

    In fact, I always considered it incredible that God knowing how much I loved the Jews (going back to my childhood) that he gave me a Middle Eastern Christian! My children love their 1/2 and 1/2 heritage (my half being German). My girls are active and involved LCMSrs. My son decided to rejoin the Orthodox church.

  • Abby

    In fact, I always considered it incredible that God knowing how much I loved the Jews (going back to my childhood) that he gave me a Middle Eastern Christian! My children love their 1/2 and 1/2 heritage (my half being German). My girls are active and involved LCMSrs. My son decided to rejoin the Orthodox church.

  • Abby

    I love and know how to make all the food too!

  • Abby

    I love and know how to make all the food too!

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