Parents vs. peer-ents & the new style of protest

The president of MTV, Stephen K. Friedman, explains the Millennial generation’s way of protesting, as evident in the Occupy Wall Street movement.  That’s interesting in itself, but what struck me was the concept of “peer-ents” as opposed to “parents.”

What many believe to be OWS’s greatest weakness may be its greatest strength. At MTV, we consider it our job to understand the millennial audience. And a refusal to limit itself to a list of demands may be part of the protesters’ generational DNA.

Millennials’ relationship to authority differs from that of previous generations. Millennials weren’t raised with hierarchical, top-down parenting. They’ve grown up with peer-ents; they’re used to seeing authority figures as equals. Add to that what it means to be born and live within the swarm-power of social media, and you have a potent mix.

Millennials don’t think of themselves as outside the system. They believe they are the system. The fact that there’s no definitive leadership in New York’s Zuccotti Park speaks to this generation’s complex understanding of power.

Young people in the 1960s had a mandate and a message. The boomers stood outside the gate and issued their list of demands.

Millennials are trying to remake existing structures to reflect what they expect from business and government. Consider the protests’ General Assembly — a transparent, open, fair and participatory government. The protesters have shaped from the ground up what it means to have a civil society. Or consider how inclusive the protesters are. The young people at the heart of things have welcomed parents, teachers, administrators, union members and others from across generations.

Where their parents engaged in civil disobedience, the Occupy Wall Street protesters are participating in civilized disobedience. Zuccotti Park is the opposite of anarchy. There’s a lending library and a mulch deposit. When the city wanted to clean up, the protesters refused, preferring to clean the park themselves. OWS’s famed human microphone is a metaphor for the movement: By working together, we can amplify our voices.

Millennials realize that there aren’t always clear answers to their concerns. They know that the multitude of societal problems needs to be attacked in a multiplicity of ways.

It’s that open-door policy that has let the protests grow so rapidly. By providing a blank slate on which an entire society can project its grievances, OWS has spread across the United States and into almost 100 countries in little more than a month. It is also highly inclusive. In the small confines of of Zuccotti Park, environmentalism, anti-sexism, spirituality and more are represented.

via Occupying the millenial way – The Washington Post.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Jikkiyu

    They have no understanding of authority…. so they are sociopaths….

  • Jikkiyu

    They have no understanding of authority…. so they are sociopaths….

  • Joe

    I have to say that this take on what is happening inside the park is not consistent with the reports of violence coming out in the media. That reads more like a report of what the OWSers were hoping to establish and not what is actually happening.

  • Joe

    I have to say that this take on what is happening inside the park is not consistent with the reports of violence coming out in the media. That reads more like a report of what the OWSers were hoping to establish and not what is actually happening.

  • Tom Hering

    I’d guess a peer-ent is a parent who has always sought to be his or her child’s friend, first and foremost. (In the past, this wasn’t considered appropriate until one’s offspring reached adulthood.) So I’d also guess that the peer-enting style is to reach consensus with one’s children – even with younger children who aren’t yet able to reason. (The exercise of authority is alien to friendships.)

  • Tom Hering

    I’d guess a peer-ent is a parent who has always sought to be his or her child’s friend, first and foremost. (In the past, this wasn’t considered appropriate until one’s offspring reached adulthood.) So I’d also guess that the peer-enting style is to reach consensus with one’s children – even with younger children who aren’t yet able to reason. (The exercise of authority is alien to friendships.)

  • Tom Hering

    Jikkiyu @ 1, a sociopath is someone lacking conscience and empathy. Not someone who can’t understand the concept of authority.

  • Tom Hering

    Jikkiyu @ 1, a sociopath is someone lacking conscience and empathy. Not someone who can’t understand the concept of authority.

  • Tom Hering

    Joe @ 2, do you think the media might have a preference for violent incidents in its reporting?

  • Tom Hering

    Joe @ 2, do you think the media might have a preference for violent incidents in its reporting?

  • larry

    The entire approach is contradictory. On the one hand they “don’t recongnize authority” per se, yet they are appealing to/for what? Some kind of authority to “solve their problems”.

  • larry

    The entire approach is contradictory. On the one hand they “don’t recongnize authority” per se, yet they are appealing to/for what? Some kind of authority to “solve their problems”.

  • Tom Hering

    Larry @ 6, if people had to be consistent before they took action, no one would ever take action on anything. It’s rather like “the new Nature writing,” in which some degree of hypocrisy on the part of environmentalists is an accepted aspect of environmentalism. Realism for the real world.

  • Tom Hering

    Larry @ 6, if people had to be consistent before they took action, no one would ever take action on anything. It’s rather like “the new Nature writing,” in which some degree of hypocrisy on the part of environmentalists is an accepted aspect of environmentalism. Realism for the real world.

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    ‘Ignoramusses gone wild’

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    ‘Ignoramusses gone wild’

  • Tom Hering

    Steve Martin @ 8, is that what passes for insight in conservative circles? I doubt it, but you make me wonder.

  • Tom Hering

    Steve Martin @ 8, is that what passes for insight in conservative circles? I doubt it, but you make me wonder.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    I think “peer-ent” needs to be defined.

    No offense to the MTV pres. I don’t think it is so much the “peer-ent” phenomenon as it is the difference between a modern and post-modern worldview. The boomers were still very much influenced by the notion of universal truth and so they naturally sought to define it and have a common voice. Millennial on the other hand are more influenced by post-modern thought and so they do not even think to seek consensus. This lack of consensus is why they will eventually fail.

    What I do find truly surprising is such a technologically aware people are completely oblivious to the fact, they aren’t actually inhibiting the workings of the “evil” corporations. The same technology they are using to organize is helping the corporations maintain business without having to deal with the dilettantes. The only people OWS are actually hurting are the local small business folks who make money off the people who work for said companies.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    I think “peer-ent” needs to be defined.

    No offense to the MTV pres. I don’t think it is so much the “peer-ent” phenomenon as it is the difference between a modern and post-modern worldview. The boomers were still very much influenced by the notion of universal truth and so they naturally sought to define it and have a common voice. Millennial on the other hand are more influenced by post-modern thought and so they do not even think to seek consensus. This lack of consensus is why they will eventually fail.

    What I do find truly surprising is such a technologically aware people are completely oblivious to the fact, they aren’t actually inhibiting the workings of the “evil” corporations. The same technology they are using to organize is helping the corporations maintain business without having to deal with the dilettantes. The only people OWS are actually hurting are the local small business folks who make money off the people who work for said companies.

  • Rev. Chryst

    So broad and inclusive as to be meaningless and ineffective?

  • Rev. Chryst

    So broad and inclusive as to be meaningless and ineffective?

  • Tom Hering

    Rev. Chryst @ 11, perhaps. Consensus of action is the goal of OWS organizers, but without a consensus of ideas, all action will lack the power of moral argument. It may just be too early – OWS is still a very new movement. A meaningful and effective program may yet be created. Right now, the movement is nothing but the expression of anger(s) and frustration(s).

  • Tom Hering

    Rev. Chryst @ 11, perhaps. Consensus of action is the goal of OWS organizers, but without a consensus of ideas, all action will lack the power of moral argument. It may just be too early – OWS is still a very new movement. A meaningful and effective program may yet be created. Right now, the movement is nothing but the expression of anger(s) and frustration(s).

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    Tom,

    These poor (occupying) souls are so ignorant about the basics of economics and government that it boggles the mind that an education system could be SO BAD as to pass them along and deem them “educated”.

    We could get specific, but I don’t know as that would accomplish much more.

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    Tom,

    These poor (occupying) souls are so ignorant about the basics of economics and government that it boggles the mind that an education system could be SO BAD as to pass them along and deem them “educated”.

    We could get specific, but I don’t know as that would accomplish much more.

  • Tom Hering

    Steve @ 13, what do you base your judgment of these “poor souls” on? News reporting? Do you think reporters might be seeking out the silliest examples among the protesters? For their entertainment value? As with Joe @ 2, I’m a little surprised to find conservatives suddenly accepting what they see and hear in media without questioning it.

  • Tom Hering

    Steve @ 13, what do you base your judgment of these “poor souls” on? News reporting? Do you think reporters might be seeking out the silliest examples among the protesters? For their entertainment value? As with Joe @ 2, I’m a little surprised to find conservatives suddenly accepting what they see and hear in media without questioning it.

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    No, Tom.

    The whole exercise is ridiculous. You don’t get thngs changed by camping out on and in many cases obstruction public property. We have a political and economic system in place to effect change in our democratic republic.

    When left wing utopians set out to change, they set out to destroy. Michael Moore said that “capitalism needs to be replaced”. “With what?” the reporter asked, “I don’t know…I’ll invent something.” he replied.

    They want to tear down with no idead of the consequences to come.

    Other socialist systems have been tried and have dramatically failed or are in the process of coming apart at the seams (Europe).

    This class warfare rhetoric is down right dangerous. Wanting to put limits on how much people should have is downright un American. What has happened to the freedom that our founders wanted us to have?

    And why aren’t these people occupying Hollywood…or the U.S. Govt.?

    I see it as sheer ignorance and class warfare promulgated by the left.

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    No, Tom.

    The whole exercise is ridiculous. You don’t get thngs changed by camping out on and in many cases obstruction public property. We have a political and economic system in place to effect change in our democratic republic.

    When left wing utopians set out to change, they set out to destroy. Michael Moore said that “capitalism needs to be replaced”. “With what?” the reporter asked, “I don’t know…I’ll invent something.” he replied.

    They want to tear down with no idead of the consequences to come.

    Other socialist systems have been tried and have dramatically failed or are in the process of coming apart at the seams (Europe).

    This class warfare rhetoric is down right dangerous. Wanting to put limits on how much people should have is downright un American. What has happened to the freedom that our founders wanted us to have?

    And why aren’t these people occupying Hollywood…or the U.S. Govt.?

    I see it as sheer ignorance and class warfare promulgated by the left.

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    Heading off to work, so I can’t play anymore.

    Thanks for the discussion.

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    Heading off to work, so I can’t play anymore.

    Thanks for the discussion.

  • James Hageman

    One word: Oakland

  • James Hageman

    One word: Oakland

  • http://www.whenisayrunrun.blogspot.com Andrew

    ‘By providing a blank slate on which an entire society can project its grievances, OWS has spread across the United States and into almost 100 countries in little more than a month.”

    A blank slate has not been provided, the people are the blank slate.

  • http://www.whenisayrunrun.blogspot.com Andrew

    ‘By providing a blank slate on which an entire society can project its grievances, OWS has spread across the United States and into almost 100 countries in little more than a month.”

    A blank slate has not been provided, the people are the blank slate.

  • Tom Hering

    Steve @ 15, protest is un-American? In a country born of violent revolution? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. :-D

  • Tom Hering

    Steve @ 15, protest is un-American? In a country born of violent revolution? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. :-D

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    Tom.

    You got me as I was stepping out the door (but I’m glad I checked).

    I never said that protests are un- American.

    I said that desire to put limits on how much money people can earn, or how much they should have…is un-American. It is.

    That’s it. Done ’till about 5pm PST.

    Ciao. (that’s un-American too…but it’s not dangerous)

  • http://theoldadam.wordpress.com Steve Martin

    Tom.

    You got me as I was stepping out the door (but I’m glad I checked).

    I never said that protests are un- American.

    I said that desire to put limits on how much money people can earn, or how much they should have…is un-American. It is.

    That’s it. Done ’till about 5pm PST.

    Ciao. (that’s un-American too…but it’s not dangerous)

  • michael henry

    How far “culture” has fallen when MTV is an authority on any “generation”. Virtually everything he said is silly putty post-modern language to be twisted any way you want, with the tell tale inventing of terms and labels heretofore never seen or heard. If he can use peer-ent, is there any reason for any of you to doubt me when I say I am a Chevy?

    When you hear or see the things like “engaging” versus “participating” in emergent, and increasingly Yrr, there is a direct line between them, away from historical and authentic Christianity. From a Christian worldview, I cannot see anything positive, redeeming or worthwhile regarding “OWS”.

  • michael henry

    How far “culture” has fallen when MTV is an authority on any “generation”. Virtually everything he said is silly putty post-modern language to be twisted any way you want, with the tell tale inventing of terms and labels heretofore never seen or heard. If he can use peer-ent, is there any reason for any of you to doubt me when I say I am a Chevy?

    When you hear or see the things like “engaging” versus “participating” in emergent, and increasingly Yrr, there is a direct line between them, away from historical and authentic Christianity. From a Christian worldview, I cannot see anything positive, redeeming or worthwhile regarding “OWS”.

  • William Wilcox

    I am not sure how much we should rely on MTV sources for what the millenial generation is all about. Here are some links to alternative sources of information:

    http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Transition-Emerging-Adulthood-ebook/dp/B005FVPEW8/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp

    http://pewsocialtrends.org/files/2010/10/millennials-confident-connected-open-to-change.pdf

  • William Wilcox

    I am not sure how much we should rely on MTV sources for what the millenial generation is all about. Here are some links to alternative sources of information:

    http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Transition-Emerging-Adulthood-ebook/dp/B005FVPEW8/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp

    http://pewsocialtrends.org/files/2010/10/millennials-confident-connected-open-to-change.pdf

  • DonS

    Having visited Zuccotti Park recently, I must quarrel with this sentence: “When the city wanted to clean up, the protesters refused, preferring to clean the park themselves.”

    Either Mr. Friedman meant that they preferred to , but didn’t actually do it, or he has no concept of what it means to “clean”. For that was the foulest little spot of ground I have ever seen or smelled.

    One of the reasons our family home schools is to instill in our children a sense of hierarchy, where the younger kids look up to the older ones, and the parents are full time authority figures in their children’s lives. Our older children are continually reminded of their status as role models, and are given responsibility accordingly. Age-segregated education contributes to the societal tendency to value looks, athletic ability, “cool factor”, and other such nonsubstantive characteristics for experience and wisdom when seeking out role models to follow.

    We are seeing the fruits of society’s failure to respect and establish legitimate authority because of its destruction of historic respect for religious teaching and increasing age stratification during most waking hours of the day, thereby denying our young of the opportunity to respect and learn from their elders.

  • DonS

    Having visited Zuccotti Park recently, I must quarrel with this sentence: “When the city wanted to clean up, the protesters refused, preferring to clean the park themselves.”

    Either Mr. Friedman meant that they preferred to , but didn’t actually do it, or he has no concept of what it means to “clean”. For that was the foulest little spot of ground I have ever seen or smelled.

    One of the reasons our family home schools is to instill in our children a sense of hierarchy, where the younger kids look up to the older ones, and the parents are full time authority figures in their children’s lives. Our older children are continually reminded of their status as role models, and are given responsibility accordingly. Age-segregated education contributes to the societal tendency to value looks, athletic ability, “cool factor”, and other such nonsubstantive characteristics for experience and wisdom when seeking out role models to follow.

    We are seeing the fruits of society’s failure to respect and establish legitimate authority because of its destruction of historic respect for religious teaching and increasing age stratification during most waking hours of the day, thereby denying our young of the opportunity to respect and learn from their elders.

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  • Larry

    Tom,

    “…if people had to be consistent before they took action, no one would ever take action on anything”

    It sounds profoundly clever at a first superficial glance kind of like “the sound of one hand clapping” in which one might stare at it like some verbal “shiny beads”, but not quite reality.

    It pretty much dies on its own sword by requiring people to be consistently inconsistent so that people would not have to wait to be consistent before they took action and thereby avoid the “can” never take any action on anything. It’s a form of “the absolute truth is, there is no absolute truth” which basically pretends to vindicate pretty much anything it is pulled out on to defend.

    The consistent reality is this: “One doesn’t like authority, until one themselves needs ‘their kind of authority’”.

  • Larry

    Tom,

    “…if people had to be consistent before they took action, no one would ever take action on anything”

    It sounds profoundly clever at a first superficial glance kind of like “the sound of one hand clapping” in which one might stare at it like some verbal “shiny beads”, but not quite reality.

    It pretty much dies on its own sword by requiring people to be consistently inconsistent so that people would not have to wait to be consistent before they took action and thereby avoid the “can” never take any action on anything. It’s a form of “the absolute truth is, there is no absolute truth” which basically pretends to vindicate pretty much anything it is pulled out on to defend.

    The consistent reality is this: “One doesn’t like authority, until one themselves needs ‘their kind of authority’”.

  • Gary

    Larry, how about if I restate Tom’s observation like this: If you insist people shouldn’t act until they justify their actions as being consistent with their past views or actions, they will ignore you and go on doing whatever they want, whether or not it’s consistent. Stuff still gets done.

    You see, _there’s_ a consistent reality about human nature. And, for what it’s worth, your observation about authority has some merit as well. The only thing is, the protesters may not be recognizing the authority in any sense which legitimizes it, and yet be recognizing the obvious condition of certain people having _power_.

  • Gary

    Larry, how about if I restate Tom’s observation like this: If you insist people shouldn’t act until they justify their actions as being consistent with their past views or actions, they will ignore you and go on doing whatever they want, whether or not it’s consistent. Stuff still gets done.

    You see, _there’s_ a consistent reality about human nature. And, for what it’s worth, your observation about authority has some merit as well. The only thing is, the protesters may not be recognizing the authority in any sense which legitimizes it, and yet be recognizing the obvious condition of certain people having _power_.

  • larry

    Gary,

    I think you miss my point as did Tom my original point, my lack of clarity.

    I was not saying, “…insist people shouldn’t act until they justify their actions as being consistent with their past views or actions…” Or that people changing positions then acting accordingly have as a whole acted inconsistently, like converts to the faith for example. One always does act in accordance with what they believe/consider/think to be truth at any given moment in the real present tense at the subjective level. All either consider their “ever present” reality entirely consistent or they justify it somehow as “consistent”.

    Rather that their action in the present reality is inconsistent. We all know that no fallen human being is truly an anarchist. An anarchist is in reality nothing more than letters and syllables describing philosophical what boils down to a superstition. So called “anarchist” are nothing more, as fallen individuals, than “local self made lawyers”, who thus seeks authority for their “law” – liberal or conservative. It’s just a matter of which side of authority one wishes to “side with” and exude on another.

    It’s really nothing more than “I like my authority over yours”. That was the hole 60s movement argument and todays, nothing knew under the sun, really.

    It’s kind of like a Sting concert I once attended in college when Sting laughably conducted the entire group crowd, “Raise your hands in the air to express your individuality”.

  • larry

    Gary,

    I think you miss my point as did Tom my original point, my lack of clarity.

    I was not saying, “…insist people shouldn’t act until they justify their actions as being consistent with their past views or actions…” Or that people changing positions then acting accordingly have as a whole acted inconsistently, like converts to the faith for example. One always does act in accordance with what they believe/consider/think to be truth at any given moment in the real present tense at the subjective level. All either consider their “ever present” reality entirely consistent or they justify it somehow as “consistent”.

    Rather that their action in the present reality is inconsistent. We all know that no fallen human being is truly an anarchist. An anarchist is in reality nothing more than letters and syllables describing philosophical what boils down to a superstition. So called “anarchist” are nothing more, as fallen individuals, than “local self made lawyers”, who thus seeks authority for their “law” – liberal or conservative. It’s just a matter of which side of authority one wishes to “side with” and exude on another.

    It’s really nothing more than “I like my authority over yours”. That was the hole 60s movement argument and todays, nothing knew under the sun, really.

    It’s kind of like a Sting concert I once attended in college when Sting laughably conducted the entire group crowd, “Raise your hands in the air to express your individuality”.

  • Tom Hering

    “Raise your hands in the air to express your individuality”

    Fingerprints?

  • Tom Hering

    “Raise your hands in the air to express your individuality”

    Fingerprints?

  • fws

    how is ows different than the tea party movement ? I hear lots of tea party types desparaging the government and politicians (aka authority).

    and… like ows I see alot of venting of anger that is sort of unfocussed and sort of a grab bag of ideas

  • fws

    how is ows different than the tea party movement ? I hear lots of tea party types desparaging the government and politicians (aka authority).

    and… like ows I see alot of venting of anger that is sort of unfocussed and sort of a grab bag of ideas

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    how is ows different than the tea party movement ?

    tea party blames gov’t; ows blames business?

    The truth is the businesses couldn’t do what they do without gov’t contributing to it. So, they are both right.

    Some I have read seem to think that these folks expected to be upwardly mobile. With current trends, that seems unlikely to be the case anytime soon or perhaps ever within their lifetimes. They probably feel lied to and ows is predominantly younger so they are less able to express themselves even as well as the tea party.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    how is ows different than the tea party movement ?

    tea party blames gov’t; ows blames business?

    The truth is the businesses couldn’t do what they do without gov’t contributing to it. So, they are both right.

    Some I have read seem to think that these folks expected to be upwardly mobile. With current trends, that seems unlikely to be the case anytime soon or perhaps ever within their lifetimes. They probably feel lied to and ows is predominantly younger so they are less able to express themselves even as well as the tea party.

  • larry

    “how is ows different than the tea party movement ?”

    They are not all that different in the end. The only superficial difference is that one is the elder brother and the other is the prodigal son younger brother.

  • larry

    “how is ows different than the tea party movement ?”

    They are not all that different in the end. The only superficial difference is that one is the elder brother and the other is the prodigal son younger brother.

  • fws

    I see the truly christian attitude as seeing that structure and authority are good gifts of God. Yes they can be abuse.

    So christians will constantly look to placing themselves under authority and look to find authority under which to place their lives and their actions.

    An study of the Conservative Lutheran Reformation will quickly show that those early Lutherans were meticulous in seeing lawful means in all that they did, even though the keepers of those lawful means were either corupt or deeply flawed.

    It is not the spirit of Lutheranism to speak badly of district presidents or synodical authorities or those who are in government. we are to defend their honor, speak well of them, pray for them, and put the most favorable understanding possible on their words and actions. we are to show them the same mercy (which is always undeserved) that we ourselves would love to receive.

    I see people of all political stripes fail constantly at this demand of the Law of God.

    Lord have mercy on us all.

  • fws

    I see the truly christian attitude as seeing that structure and authority are good gifts of God. Yes they can be abuse.

    So christians will constantly look to placing themselves under authority and look to find authority under which to place their lives and their actions.

    An study of the Conservative Lutheran Reformation will quickly show that those early Lutherans were meticulous in seeing lawful means in all that they did, even though the keepers of those lawful means were either corupt or deeply flawed.

    It is not the spirit of Lutheranism to speak badly of district presidents or synodical authorities or those who are in government. we are to defend their honor, speak well of them, pray for them, and put the most favorable understanding possible on their words and actions. we are to show them the same mercy (which is always undeserved) that we ourselves would love to receive.

    I see people of all political stripes fail constantly at this demand of the Law of God.

    Lord have mercy on us all.

  • Joe

    Tom @ 5 – sure the media likes to report the violence, but unless you are accusing them of making up the reports, I still think there is a lot of violence happening. The threat of sexual assault in New York has become so real that the protesters have now set up a women’s only tent that is guarded by a female patrol so the women have a safe place to sleep.

    That is a far cry from the unicorns and rainbows that the article is selling.

  • Joe

    Tom @ 5 – sure the media likes to report the violence, but unless you are accusing them of making up the reports, I still think there is a lot of violence happening. The threat of sexual assault in New York has become so real that the protesters have now set up a women’s only tent that is guarded by a female patrol so the women have a safe place to sleep.

    That is a far cry from the unicorns and rainbows that the article is selling.

  • http://concordiaandkoinonia.wordpress.com/ Rev. Mark Schroeder

    First: the presumption of the MTV president seem to be that all parenting is ‘peerenting’ which it is not because there are still traditional religious communities who adhere to the commandments.
    Second: let us also keep in mind that all those born post 1973 can contemplate the question, why didn’t Mom abort me? This sets a tone to a generation that has not been so probably since the Roman Empire in the West.
    Third: couple this piece with the hilarious Stephen Colbert that Prof. Veith posted and you have an indication of a frightening track OWS and other such future movements may take. In the Colbert piece, ‘Ketchup’ explains their consensus with the hand signals. One is block. Colbert says to ‘Ketchup’, in effect, so you are controller of the consensus, ‘oh, no’, she shot back, “the facilitator”. Colbert caught something: it sounded to me as if ‘facilitator’ is Orwellian “newspeak”for ‘controller’. ‘Ketchup’ might be a kind of nascent Madame Defarge. It seemed to me that her ‘male-bodied’ friend was in for the ride and enjoying Colbert. She was in control but of course not! In a group with no authority, an authority will never the less step into the void, under the pretense of being pro-consensual process, but can take control over the collective mind and eventually and utterly run it to his/her will while everyone else will still be giving hand signals thinking they are thinking in consensus.

  • http://concordiaandkoinonia.wordpress.com/ Rev. Mark Schroeder

    First: the presumption of the MTV president seem to be that all parenting is ‘peerenting’ which it is not because there are still traditional religious communities who adhere to the commandments.
    Second: let us also keep in mind that all those born post 1973 can contemplate the question, why didn’t Mom abort me? This sets a tone to a generation that has not been so probably since the Roman Empire in the West.
    Third: couple this piece with the hilarious Stephen Colbert that Prof. Veith posted and you have an indication of a frightening track OWS and other such future movements may take. In the Colbert piece, ‘Ketchup’ explains their consensus with the hand signals. One is block. Colbert says to ‘Ketchup’, in effect, so you are controller of the consensus, ‘oh, no’, she shot back, “the facilitator”. Colbert caught something: it sounded to me as if ‘facilitator’ is Orwellian “newspeak”for ‘controller’. ‘Ketchup’ might be a kind of nascent Madame Defarge. It seemed to me that her ‘male-bodied’ friend was in for the ride and enjoying Colbert. She was in control but of course not! In a group with no authority, an authority will never the less step into the void, under the pretense of being pro-consensual process, but can take control over the collective mind and eventually and utterly run it to his/her will while everyone else will still be giving hand signals thinking they are thinking in consensus.

  • Joe

    All of this talk about finding consensus reminds me of an MLK quote I heard (again) on a TV show (I assume it is authentic):

    “A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus. “

  • Joe

    All of this talk about finding consensus reminds me of an MLK quote I heard (again) on a TV show (I assume it is authentic):

    “A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus. “

  • fws

    rev mark @33

    I suggest that you are overanalyzing in view of facts all christians should know and believe. Which are the following:

    1) God has devinely written his Law in the Reason (not the hearts!) of ALL men. This would include those who have no Bible or have consciously discarded it. (rom 2:15, apology art IV).

    2) This Divine Law written in the Reason of ALL men, ALWAYS accuses. It simply will not go away. (cf Luke 18). So even those who disregard the first and second table are made to do what the Law demands.

    They simply have no choice. God will ALWAYS use the Law to extort 1st, 2nd and 3rd article Fatherly Goodness and Mercy out of ALL Old Adams and for ALL Old Adams. Mercy is always undeserved, unlike justice. And mercy is NOT the Gospel, even though it is undeserved kindness. That means that these facts are equally true for ALL men whether christian or not. Again what you wrote could be taken to mean other than this.

    This is true for the “…unworthy..those who do not pray..those who do not ask for it…. even for all the wicked (those who seek to subvert it).” (Luther’s Small Catechism 1st article and 1-7th Petitions).

    Again, what you wrote could be understood differently than this.

    The only difference between Christian and pagan is in NO way found in the Law. Even pagans know that God is good and merciful and will punish those who break the Law, even christians. But only Christians know to hide ALL their righeousness in the Works of Another and accept the judgement of God upon their sanctified works are being the moral equivalent of used Tampons that they are (cf Isaiah).

  • fws

    rev mark @33

    I suggest that you are overanalyzing in view of facts all christians should know and believe. Which are the following:

    1) God has devinely written his Law in the Reason (not the hearts!) of ALL men. This would include those who have no Bible or have consciously discarded it. (rom 2:15, apology art IV).

    2) This Divine Law written in the Reason of ALL men, ALWAYS accuses. It simply will not go away. (cf Luke 18). So even those who disregard the first and second table are made to do what the Law demands.

    They simply have no choice. God will ALWAYS use the Law to extort 1st, 2nd and 3rd article Fatherly Goodness and Mercy out of ALL Old Adams and for ALL Old Adams. Mercy is always undeserved, unlike justice. And mercy is NOT the Gospel, even though it is undeserved kindness. That means that these facts are equally true for ALL men whether christian or not. Again what you wrote could be taken to mean other than this.

    This is true for the “…unworthy..those who do not pray..those who do not ask for it…. even for all the wicked (those who seek to subvert it).” (Luther’s Small Catechism 1st article and 1-7th Petitions).

    Again, what you wrote could be understood differently than this.

    The only difference between Christian and pagan is in NO way found in the Law. Even pagans know that God is good and merciful and will punish those who break the Law, even christians. But only Christians know to hide ALL their righeousness in the Works of Another and accept the judgement of God upon their sanctified works are being the moral equivalent of used Tampons that they are (cf Isaiah).


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