Liberal vs. Conservative television tastes

How do political beliefs relate to taste in TV shows?  A study has found some patterns:

In the findings, “sarcastic” media-savvy comedies and morally murky antiheroes tend to draw Dems. While serious work-centered shows (both reality shows and stylized scripted procedurals), along with reality competitions, tend to draw conservatives.

Focusing on well-known cable and broadcast original entertainment series (rather than, say, sports, music, news, repeats), here’s who wins the 2011 prime-time primaries:

LIBERAL-DEMOCRAT FAVORITES:

– The Daily Show With Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report (Comedy Central): As you might expect.

– 30 Rock and Parks and Recreation (NBC): Literate media-savvy comedies score high among Dems in general, notes Experian-Simmons senior marketing manager John Fetto. “Sarcastic humor is always a hook for them,” he adds.

– The View (ABC): Shows that skew female tend to do better among Dems, while male-friendly shows tend to do perform higher among Republicans.

– Glee (Fox)

– Modern Family (ABC): Last year, the progressive Glee and Modern Family scored surprisingly strong among both political leanings. Among conservatives this year, the shows still do fairly well, but have dropped out of their top ranks.

– It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia (FX)

– Treme (HBO): GOP Kryptonite. Not only a Dem favorite, but so unpopular among Republicans that the report scores the show with a “*” because not enough conservatives in the study group had actually watched it.

– Cougar Town (ABC)

– The Late Show With David Letterman and The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson (CBS): Dems favor late-night programming, with one big exception that we’ll see below.

Also in the mix: The Soup (E!), Aqua Teen Hunger Force (Adult Swim), Raising Hope (Fox), Saturday Night Live (NBC), The Office (NBC), Project Runway (Lifetime), Shameless (Showtime), Parenthood (NBC), Conan (TBS).

CONSERVATIVE-REPUBLICAN FAVORITES:

– Swamp Loggers (Discovery) and Top Shot (History): Gritty documentary-style work-related reality shows on cable index really strongly with conservative Republicans. Swamp Loggers is particularly polarizing.

– The Bachelor (ABC): They also tend to gravitate toward broadcast reality competition shows.

– Castle (ABC): Ranks fairly high among Dems, too.

– Mythbusters (Discovery)

– Only in America With Larry the Cable Guy, American Pickers, Pawn Stars, Swamp People (History): If you’re a Republican candidate looking to raise money, put ads on History.

– The Middle (ABC): Does well among libs, too.

– The Tonight Show With Jay Leno (NBC): “Did you hear about this? Yeah, this is true: Jay Leno is the late-night choice among conservatives… “

– The Biggest Loser (NBC)

– Hawaii Five-O, NCIS, The Mentalist (CBS): Popular crime dramas — except the left-wing Law & Order franchise — tend to draw a conservative crowd.

Also: Dancing With the Stars results show (ABC), Man vs. Wild (Discovery), Auction Kings (Discovery), Wheel of Fortune (syndi), Top Gear (BBC America).

via Republican vs. Democrat survey: Who watches the best TV shows? | Inside TV | EW.com.

What does this tell us about both liberals and conservatives?

Does this track with your tastes, one way or the other?  Are there other shows that would seem to exemplify a liberal or a conservative aesthetic?

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • SKPeterson

    I’ll confess to not having watched about 90% of these shows.

    I do like Top Gear, but I generally can’t stand any “reality” programming, and especially detest anything with dancing stars, people who want to be stars, or star-struck teen melodramas. Perhaps Anthony Bourdain and Andrew Zimmern are “reality”. If so, then that’s about it. I think they tend to be somewhat libertarian (if not simply libertine a la Bourdain), as they show case individuals traveling around the world and enjoying the food, the people and places they meet. A true cultural mix that is fun to watch.

    The History Channel is to history what MTv is to music – it’s in the title but darned if I can figure out why. I’ve been watching Walking Dead and Hell on Wheels. Eventually, Camelot and Game of Thrones will be back on and I’ll watch those.

    I have no idea how any of that skews, left or right.

  • SKPeterson

    I’ll confess to not having watched about 90% of these shows.

    I do like Top Gear, but I generally can’t stand any “reality” programming, and especially detest anything with dancing stars, people who want to be stars, or star-struck teen melodramas. Perhaps Anthony Bourdain and Andrew Zimmern are “reality”. If so, then that’s about it. I think they tend to be somewhat libertarian (if not simply libertine a la Bourdain), as they show case individuals traveling around the world and enjoying the food, the people and places they meet. A true cultural mix that is fun to watch.

    The History Channel is to history what MTv is to music – it’s in the title but darned if I can figure out why. I’ve been watching Walking Dead and Hell on Wheels. Eventually, Camelot and Game of Thrones will be back on and I’ll watch those.

    I have no idea how any of that skews, left or right.

  • caleb land

    I wonder if this is just me personally or if younger conservatives would have more “liberal” TV taste. I am a 28 year old conservative and I like the NBC shows, especially Parks and Rec and Community and the “antihero” shows like The Walking Dead and Hell on Wheels on AMC. I majored in history so I agree with the previous poster, most “history” channel stuff is simply annoying to me. I don’t get into reality shows much.

    Any other younger conservatives with similar experience out there?

  • caleb land

    I wonder if this is just me personally or if younger conservatives would have more “liberal” TV taste. I am a 28 year old conservative and I like the NBC shows, especially Parks and Rec and Community and the “antihero” shows like The Walking Dead and Hell on Wheels on AMC. I majored in history so I agree with the previous poster, most “history” channel stuff is simply annoying to me. I don’t get into reality shows much.

    Any other younger conservatives with similar experience out there?

  • Dan Kempin

    I have heard great things about “Top Shot,” though I do not have cable. I suppose I can guess why it is not popular on the left.

  • Dan Kempin

    I have heard great things about “Top Shot,” though I do not have cable. I suppose I can guess why it is not popular on the left.

  • Doug

    As a conservative we have elected to ditch TV programming altogether.

  • Doug

    As a conservative we have elected to ditch TV programming altogether.

  • larry

    I don’t know, there’s probably some “connection” but it’s fairly fluid I suspect. I generally watch a show I like if it’s well done and its not trying to thrust a “moral” lesson (left or right) down my throat. I don’t think it’s as clean as “right/left”. I agree with the last poster on the reality stuff and it’s really the product of an uncreative lazy mind, a TV show crutch if you will. The reality stuff has or is burning itself out.

    One caveat the fairly obvious more or less pro-dem/rep type shows (a lot of the comedies go this route) which are obvious in whom they draw.

    The most interesting for comparison is the crime dramas. They tend to show the difference without the overt hackneyed political material (e.g. the Mentalist Vs. Law & Order), well sometimes. Along those lines; I suspect that old Capt. Kirk would tend to draw a more rep. audience, while Jean Luc would draw a more dem. audience. The dem. take on the old Capt. Kirk would be he should talk more and act less, while the rep. take on Jean Luc would be he should act more and talk less.

  • larry

    I don’t know, there’s probably some “connection” but it’s fairly fluid I suspect. I generally watch a show I like if it’s well done and its not trying to thrust a “moral” lesson (left or right) down my throat. I don’t think it’s as clean as “right/left”. I agree with the last poster on the reality stuff and it’s really the product of an uncreative lazy mind, a TV show crutch if you will. The reality stuff has or is burning itself out.

    One caveat the fairly obvious more or less pro-dem/rep type shows (a lot of the comedies go this route) which are obvious in whom they draw.

    The most interesting for comparison is the crime dramas. They tend to show the difference without the overt hackneyed political material (e.g. the Mentalist Vs. Law & Order), well sometimes. Along those lines; I suspect that old Capt. Kirk would tend to draw a more rep. audience, while Jean Luc would draw a more dem. audience. The dem. take on the old Capt. Kirk would be he should talk more and act less, while the rep. take on Jean Luc would be he should act more and talk less.

  • Kirk

    It’s hard to determine who has better taste. There are some decent shows on both sides and also some real tripe.

    A note to conservatives: if you get made fun of for liking that awful Larry the Cable Guy show, simply raise your heckler a ” the View” and see where things go.

  • Kirk

    It’s hard to determine who has better taste. There are some decent shows on both sides and also some real tripe.

    A note to conservatives: if you get made fun of for liking that awful Larry the Cable Guy show, simply raise your heckler a ” the View” and see where things go.

  • Jon

    Hairy Bikers on the History Channel. Ubiquitous–great show.

  • Jon

    Hairy Bikers on the History Channel. Ubiquitous–great show.

  • Tom Hering

    Other than the PBS NewsHour, I only watch the MeTV channel, and only after 10 PM. The Twilight Zone. Perry Mason. The Untouchables. Peter Gunn. Not sure what this says about me.

    I’ve also participated in half-a-dozen Nielsen and Arbitron ratings surveys over the past decade. (Just completed an Arbitron diary a few weeks ago.) Don’t ask me why they keep asking me to participate. Are low income, never married, white males in their 50s an important demographic? Am I some sort of statistical correction for the average viewing and listening habits of the average American? Is this the whole meaning of my life? :-(

  • Tom Hering

    Other than the PBS NewsHour, I only watch the MeTV channel, and only after 10 PM. The Twilight Zone. Perry Mason. The Untouchables. Peter Gunn. Not sure what this says about me.

    I’ve also participated in half-a-dozen Nielsen and Arbitron ratings surveys over the past decade. (Just completed an Arbitron diary a few weeks ago.) Don’t ask me why they keep asking me to participate. Are low income, never married, white males in their 50s an important demographic? Am I some sort of statistical correction for the average viewing and listening habits of the average American? Is this the whole meaning of my life? :-(

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Only one of the shows are listed as a favourite on my Facebook profile – Mythbusters (Geekdom, anyone? :) ). But some others I do watch, but not religiously – Castle, Mentalist.

    Larry – Kirk vs Picard? I’m afraid, but I’m a Picard man. Does that make me a Liberal? What if I like Janeway more than Kirk? And what about Stargate characters?

    But the rest of my favourite TV programs are mostly from across the pond – what does that mean? What if I like the latest Dr more than the previous Dr? And Riversong?

    And what if I think Barnaby, Poirot, Dalziel, Frost, Marple and Morse are better detectives than anything this side of the Pond? Does that make some sort of Socialist? :)

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Only one of the shows are listed as a favourite on my Facebook profile – Mythbusters (Geekdom, anyone? :) ). But some others I do watch, but not religiously – Castle, Mentalist.

    Larry – Kirk vs Picard? I’m afraid, but I’m a Picard man. Does that make me a Liberal? What if I like Janeway more than Kirk? And what about Stargate characters?

    But the rest of my favourite TV programs are mostly from across the pond – what does that mean? What if I like the latest Dr more than the previous Dr? And Riversong?

    And what if I think Barnaby, Poirot, Dalziel, Frost, Marple and Morse are better detectives than anything this side of the Pond? Does that make some sort of Socialist? :)

  • Matt

    I actually think this is skewed or I’m actually a closet Dem. I am a solid conservative (used to listen Limbaugh almost every day for over twenty years). I haven’t listened to conservative shows in the past few years, but I still agree with conservative principles.

    I actually like a majority of the “Dem” shows they list. If you can’t laugh at yourself, then you are taking yourself way to seriously. It’s easy to watch the “Dem” shows and see where they are taking swipes at Repubs, but just laugh and move on.

    I would say the Dems find it harder to laugh at themselves. My opinion would be they have a tougher time watching the “Repub” list than I would have watching the “Dem” list.

  • Matt

    I actually think this is skewed or I’m actually a closet Dem. I am a solid conservative (used to listen Limbaugh almost every day for over twenty years). I haven’t listened to conservative shows in the past few years, but I still agree with conservative principles.

    I actually like a majority of the “Dem” shows they list. If you can’t laugh at yourself, then you are taking yourself way to seriously. It’s easy to watch the “Dem” shows and see where they are taking swipes at Repubs, but just laugh and move on.

    I would say the Dems find it harder to laugh at themselves. My opinion would be they have a tougher time watching the “Repub” list than I would have watching the “Dem” list.

  • larry

    Klasie,

    “Kirk vs Picard?” Nah, just a general for fun obeservation that the “action” side is generally on the cons. choice list and the “talk” is on the general lib. choice list, not a hard rule as both have their exceptions.

    Personally I’m neither, I never really cared for ST old or new, although I had some friends that loved the show. I rarely watch TV at all. I’m kind of like Tom I suppose except married with kids, not much of a demographic to advertise too. If you are aiming your advertizing & demographic at folks like me, you are already out of business and just don’t know it yet.

  • larry

    Klasie,

    “Kirk vs Picard?” Nah, just a general for fun obeservation that the “action” side is generally on the cons. choice list and the “talk” is on the general lib. choice list, not a hard rule as both have their exceptions.

    Personally I’m neither, I never really cared for ST old or new, although I had some friends that loved the show. I rarely watch TV at all. I’m kind of like Tom I suppose except married with kids, not much of a demographic to advertise too. If you are aiming your advertizing & demographic at folks like me, you are already out of business and just don’t know it yet.

  • SKPeterson

    Klasie – You are a socialist because you did not mention Brother Cadfael.

  • SKPeterson

    Klasie – You are a socialist because you did not mention Brother Cadfael.

  • larry

    Stargate is that a spin off of Star Trek?

  • larry

    Stargate is that a spin off of Star Trek?

  • Tom Hering

    Klasie is worse than a Socialist. He’s a communist for not mentioning the new Sherlock starring Benedict Cumberbatch.

  • Tom Hering

    Klasie is worse than a Socialist. He’s a communist for not mentioning the new Sherlock starring Benedict Cumberbatch.

  • Cincinnatus

    Conclusion: Americans have terrible taste in television.

  • Cincinnatus

    Conclusion: Americans have terrible taste in television.

  • Cincinnatus

    And politics.

  • Cincinnatus

    And politics.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Tom – Actually, I love the new Sherlock Holmes, but figured that having to explain the difference between that and the horrible Hollywoodised excrescence starring RD jr would be too much trouble. I reckon Cumberbatch gives a brilliant rendition of Holmes – bonechillingly good.

    SKP – I have unfortunately never had the opportunuti to wtch Cadfael – but I did read the books. Thus I can’t comment.

    Larry – not at all. Different concept altogether. Still sci-fi though.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Tom – Actually, I love the new Sherlock Holmes, but figured that having to explain the difference between that and the horrible Hollywoodised excrescence starring RD jr would be too much trouble. I reckon Cumberbatch gives a brilliant rendition of Holmes – bonechillingly good.

    SKP – I have unfortunately never had the opportunuti to wtch Cadfael – but I did read the books. Thus I can’t comment.

    Larry – not at all. Different concept altogether. Still sci-fi though.

  • Tom Hering

    Klasie, the concept shouldn’t have worked. Holmes in 21st century London? And the production team shouldn’t have been able to pull it off. I mean, the people responsible for the goofy Dr. Who? A real and truly amazing surprise.

  • Tom Hering

    Klasie, the concept shouldn’t have worked. Holmes in 21st century London? And the production team shouldn’t have been able to pull it off. I mean, the people responsible for the goofy Dr. Who? A real and truly amazing surprise.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    OK Tom – you are obviously not a Dr Who fan. Whimsical (at times). Goofy? No.

    Also, they did create the scariest monsters (no gore, no scream factor) ever created for TV – the Stone Angels, and especially, the Shadows.

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  • Klasie Kraalogies

    OK Tom – you are obviously not a Dr Who fan. Whimsical (at times). Goofy? No.

    Also, they did create the scariest monsters (no gore, no scream factor) ever created for TV – the Stone Angels, and especially, the Shadows.

    Who turned off the lights?
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  • Stone the Crows

    I didn’t see Deadliest Catch listed on any list, that surprises me. Most of the time my wife and I stay away from reality shows that have so many ‘beep’s’ in the dialog it sounds like a garbage truck backing up, and shows where the accents/drawls are so thick they need subtitles. We like to play MST 3000 with 5-0, which I have re named Hawaii-far fetched for the thinnest and fastest plots on prime time. I still watch Top Gear on BBC-A, but not the American version which is utterly unwatchable.

  • Stone the Crows

    I didn’t see Deadliest Catch listed on any list, that surprises me. Most of the time my wife and I stay away from reality shows that have so many ‘beep’s’ in the dialog it sounds like a garbage truck backing up, and shows where the accents/drawls are so thick they need subtitles. We like to play MST 3000 with 5-0, which I have re named Hawaii-far fetched for the thinnest and fastest plots on prime time. I still watch Top Gear on BBC-A, but not the American version which is utterly unwatchable.

  • Stone the Crows

    Klasie, thanks for the reminder, I am a long time follower of Dr. Who. The plots, concepts, writing and production on the latest iteration are nothing short of brilliant. The only complaint I have is that I sometimes have to turn on CC to understand the very rapid dialog which doesn’t suit my hearing loss very well.

  • Stone the Crows

    Klasie, thanks for the reminder, I am a long time follower of Dr. Who. The plots, concepts, writing and production on the latest iteration are nothing short of brilliant. The only complaint I have is that I sometimes have to turn on CC to understand the very rapid dialog which doesn’t suit my hearing loss very well.

  • SKPeterson

    I always have this in my head when thinking of Dr. Who:

  • SKPeterson

    I always have this in my head when thinking of Dr. Who:

  • Dennis Peskey

    I confess to sometimes watching the Colbert Report and the History Channel whenever I am in need of a good laugh. I find them to be acceptable comedy shows. Mostly, I concern myself with the NFL Channel, the Golf Channel and certain selection shows on the NRB network. Not quite sure what political affiliation this would engender.
    Pax,
    Dennis

  • Dennis Peskey

    I confess to sometimes watching the Colbert Report and the History Channel whenever I am in need of a good laugh. I find them to be acceptable comedy shows. Mostly, I concern myself with the NFL Channel, the Golf Channel and certain selection shows on the NRB network. Not quite sure what political affiliation this would engender.
    Pax,
    Dennis

  • anonymous

    I, too, am 28 and conservative (a la Front Porch Republic, Chronicles Magazine, voting for Paul). We don’t own a TV. Impressive, initially, except my husband and I watch kind of a lot on netflix and hulu. (He insists it’s not as much as the average American, which is small comfort to me.)

    We started with The Office back in 2008 (rented all the seasons and spent a week “catching up”). I’m pretty sure this is the show that crosses all kinds of demographics. The water-cooler smalltalk show, at least for my generation.

    Then we started the X-Files. Still haven’t finished, but past the best seasons.

    Then Party Down (very, very funny, but a lot less clean then the other shows we watch. I’d find myself laughing at things I shouldn’t.) Also, lots of obscenities, so watch out if you’re sensitive about that.

    Then Firefly (this I imagine is more of a “conservative” show). That one was a good dramedy; I’m sorry it ended so soon. I thought it was hokey and cheesy at first, but it grew on me. (We had watched the movie version Serenity first.)

    We watched Colbert when he skewed the neocons-in-power, but he lost us for a while when Obama was elected. Maybe he’s regained his edge. We also like Conan (definitely over Leno-yuck), but don’t watch him regularly.

    Our show of choice now is Parks and Rec (same writers/directors as the Office). Started with some raunchier stuff in season 1, if I remember correctly, but now it’s fairly clean. I still can’t get used to the (bleeped-out) use of the F-word on network TV, though. And it’s not funny, so I don’t know why they do it. But this is probably IMO the best show on TV.

    I watched Storage Wars on my own when my husband worked late, but I suspect it’s all a set-up (and some really bad acting). The reality shows–and history channel shows I see while staying at hotels–really grate me. AWFUL.

    The mister just started Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which I have no interest in watching because of the time commitment (how many seasons?). We tend to become addicted to shows and watch half seasons at a time after the kids are asleep.

    Oh, and my husband is a diehard Arrested Development fan. I didn’t really get it until after we were married and I watched all the seasons with him. Then 80% of my friends’ one-liners made sense in hindsight :) Good news: it’s returning, on Netflix! (Or maybe that’s bad news…)

    So maybe we’re an anomaly, but I don’t think so….

    But looking over this list, we definitely watch too much TV, even if it’s on a tiny laptop.

  • anonymous

    I, too, am 28 and conservative (a la Front Porch Republic, Chronicles Magazine, voting for Paul). We don’t own a TV. Impressive, initially, except my husband and I watch kind of a lot on netflix and hulu. (He insists it’s not as much as the average American, which is small comfort to me.)

    We started with The Office back in 2008 (rented all the seasons and spent a week “catching up”). I’m pretty sure this is the show that crosses all kinds of demographics. The water-cooler smalltalk show, at least for my generation.

    Then we started the X-Files. Still haven’t finished, but past the best seasons.

    Then Party Down (very, very funny, but a lot less clean then the other shows we watch. I’d find myself laughing at things I shouldn’t.) Also, lots of obscenities, so watch out if you’re sensitive about that.

    Then Firefly (this I imagine is more of a “conservative” show). That one was a good dramedy; I’m sorry it ended so soon. I thought it was hokey and cheesy at first, but it grew on me. (We had watched the movie version Serenity first.)

    We watched Colbert when he skewed the neocons-in-power, but he lost us for a while when Obama was elected. Maybe he’s regained his edge. We also like Conan (definitely over Leno-yuck), but don’t watch him regularly.

    Our show of choice now is Parks and Rec (same writers/directors as the Office). Started with some raunchier stuff in season 1, if I remember correctly, but now it’s fairly clean. I still can’t get used to the (bleeped-out) use of the F-word on network TV, though. And it’s not funny, so I don’t know why they do it. But this is probably IMO the best show on TV.

    I watched Storage Wars on my own when my husband worked late, but I suspect it’s all a set-up (and some really bad acting). The reality shows–and history channel shows I see while staying at hotels–really grate me. AWFUL.

    The mister just started Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which I have no interest in watching because of the time commitment (how many seasons?). We tend to become addicted to shows and watch half seasons at a time after the kids are asleep.

    Oh, and my husband is a diehard Arrested Development fan. I didn’t really get it until after we were married and I watched all the seasons with him. Then 80% of my friends’ one-liners made sense in hindsight :) Good news: it’s returning, on Netflix! (Or maybe that’s bad news…)

    So maybe we’re an anomaly, but I don’t think so….

    But looking over this list, we definitely watch too much TV, even if it’s on a tiny laptop.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    I can see the breakdown to some extent. But as always with these kind of studies it really depends on how large a sample size they used. The larger, the more accurate the study will be.

    Politically, I am a libertarian leaning conservative republican.

    Kirk v Picard? Sheridan would kick both their butts while punting Janeway across the Delta quadrant. I always liked Q because he had a habit of knocking Picard down a peg. For the record the only Captain I didn’t like was Janeway, but I didn’t care for “Voyager” as a whole anyways.
    Stargate? Everybody knows Macgyver is boss besides he is Mitchel’s dad ;), and that Burns is really Gua’uld. SgU doesn’t exist in reality, it was only a bad dream.

    I don’t have cable and when I did, I never had premium channels so that is going automatically cut me out of anything HBO shows. However, when I have had access to cable, I tend to watch the NCIS channel (aka USA) and the History Channel. I watch Psych, Burn Notice, Castle, White Collar, Mythbusters and Supernatural via Netflix and DVD. I used to watch Law & Order in all of its incarnations, but stopped for a couple of reasons. I found SVU too disturbing and the original too predictable and the new detectives were the nails in the coffin.

    As for reality tv, it is neither real nor tv. Caveat “Swamp People” and “Dangerous Catch” are for some reason very memorizing. I don’t understand it, I can’t stop watching it.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    I can see the breakdown to some extent. But as always with these kind of studies it really depends on how large a sample size they used. The larger, the more accurate the study will be.

    Politically, I am a libertarian leaning conservative republican.

    Kirk v Picard? Sheridan would kick both their butts while punting Janeway across the Delta quadrant. I always liked Q because he had a habit of knocking Picard down a peg. For the record the only Captain I didn’t like was Janeway, but I didn’t care for “Voyager” as a whole anyways.
    Stargate? Everybody knows Macgyver is boss besides he is Mitchel’s dad ;), and that Burns is really Gua’uld. SgU doesn’t exist in reality, it was only a bad dream.

    I don’t have cable and when I did, I never had premium channels so that is going automatically cut me out of anything HBO shows. However, when I have had access to cable, I tend to watch the NCIS channel (aka USA) and the History Channel. I watch Psych, Burn Notice, Castle, White Collar, Mythbusters and Supernatural via Netflix and DVD. I used to watch Law & Order in all of its incarnations, but stopped for a couple of reasons. I found SVU too disturbing and the original too predictable and the new detectives were the nails in the coffin.

    As for reality tv, it is neither real nor tv. Caveat “Swamp People” and “Dangerous Catch” are for some reason very memorizing. I don’t understand it, I can’t stop watching it.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    edit that should be “mesmerizing”.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    edit that should be “mesmerizing”.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    I forgot about Arrested Development. They are getting a new season and a movie, I hear.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    I forgot about Arrested Development. They are getting a new season and a movie, I hear.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    DrLit21C,

    Sheridan, bah! Picard would have him for breakfast, and Janeway would eat him for desert. Even Arthur would give him a go :)

    SgU – agreed – never could get my teeth into it.

    Reality TV loses me though. Anyway, it’s all scripted….

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    DrLit21C,

    Sheridan, bah! Picard would have him for breakfast, and Janeway would eat him for desert. Even Arthur would give him a go :)

    SgU – agreed – never could get my teeth into it.

    Reality TV loses me though. Anyway, it’s all scripted….

  • SKPeterson

    Sponge Bob would destroy Sheridan or Picard; he’s taken on the Flying Dutchman and won.

  • SKPeterson

    Sponge Bob would destroy Sheridan or Picard; he’s taken on the Flying Dutchman and won.

  • moallen

    I don’t watch tv. However, I do watch all the same crap on hulu. Actually, I am a conservative who does not watch much beyond Biggest Loser on hulu, the original Twilight Zone (on Amazon Prime), One Step Beyond, Lutheran Satire clips on youtube, and some political programming clips. Having Kids and lots of tv don’t go together. Part of why I like Biggest Loser is that it can’t be faked – those people lose that weight. Other reality shows? Well who know how “real” it is. Working in the business I can tell you Klasie Kraalogies is right – it’s pretty well scripted/set-up scene by scene. Biggest Loser is too, but there is some “real” there.

    Also, I noticed that the Republican programming skews towards a male audience, which fits with the gender differences between Republicans and Democrats. But I think many conservatives like myself have generally given up a lot of television – a huge share of the audience, that segment that helps to make Pixar movies so successful, doesn’t buy into many of the narratives told in scripted television today. Our kids watch DVDs of high quality movies – oh, and some sci-fi cotton candy I feed them from hulu.

  • moallen

    I don’t watch tv. However, I do watch all the same crap on hulu. Actually, I am a conservative who does not watch much beyond Biggest Loser on hulu, the original Twilight Zone (on Amazon Prime), One Step Beyond, Lutheran Satire clips on youtube, and some political programming clips. Having Kids and lots of tv don’t go together. Part of why I like Biggest Loser is that it can’t be faked – those people lose that weight. Other reality shows? Well who know how “real” it is. Working in the business I can tell you Klasie Kraalogies is right – it’s pretty well scripted/set-up scene by scene. Biggest Loser is too, but there is some “real” there.

    Also, I noticed that the Republican programming skews towards a male audience, which fits with the gender differences between Republicans and Democrats. But I think many conservatives like myself have generally given up a lot of television – a huge share of the audience, that segment that helps to make Pixar movies so successful, doesn’t buy into many of the narratives told in scripted television today. Our kids watch DVDs of high quality movies – oh, and some sci-fi cotton candy I feed them from hulu.

  • moallen

    SK – I did buy my kids the first 100 episodes of Spongebob on DVD for Christmas this year (hhmmm, maybe not so “high quality”… and maybe not a good idea seeing how studies indicate that Spongebob lowers I.Q. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/young-children/children-development/why-spongebob-is-a-bad-influence/article2160212/ BUT my kids are not pre-schoolers any more. I blame their grandparents for exposing them to this great show on Roku Netflix).

  • moallen

    SK – I did buy my kids the first 100 episodes of Spongebob on DVD for Christmas this year (hhmmm, maybe not so “high quality”… and maybe not a good idea seeing how studies indicate that Spongebob lowers I.Q. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/young-children/children-development/why-spongebob-is-a-bad-influence/article2160212/ BUT my kids are not pre-schoolers any more. I blame their grandparents for exposing them to this great show on Roku Netflix).

  • mikeb

    We have small children at home so when the t.v. is on it’s on PBS Kids or sports most of the time. My lovely bride and I are both libertarian/conservative/republican types who nevertheless still use our brains and buck on a few issues. We like the CBS and ABC comedies that fall on both sides of this list. Not sure who takes theses surveys but I hear they all live in Battle Creek, MI — is that true (he asked sarcastically)?

    PS – Everyone knows Capt. Archer (ala ‘Enterprise’) is the toughest. He never got to say “make it so” because he was too busy ‘making it so.’

  • mikeb

    We have small children at home so when the t.v. is on it’s on PBS Kids or sports most of the time. My lovely bride and I are both libertarian/conservative/republican types who nevertheless still use our brains and buck on a few issues. We like the CBS and ABC comedies that fall on both sides of this list. Not sure who takes theses surveys but I hear they all live in Battle Creek, MI — is that true (he asked sarcastically)?

    PS – Everyone knows Capt. Archer (ala ‘Enterprise’) is the toughest. He never got to say “make it so” because he was too busy ‘making it so.’

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    I like Sons of Anarchy. The rest of the time T.V. is mostly white noise, except for half of the News Hour, meaning I tune it in and out, Inside Washington, and the McLaughlin Group, because I just like watching them debate, and like how you really only need one conservative per 3 to four liberals…

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    I like Sons of Anarchy. The rest of the time T.V. is mostly white noise, except for half of the News Hour, meaning I tune it in and out, Inside Washington, and the McLaughlin Group, because I just like watching them debate, and like how you really only need one conservative per 3 to four liberals…

  • Dust

    Well can certainly see why this country is in such deep do do….

  • Dust

    Well can certainly see why this country is in such deep do do….

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Hey Dusty – while you’re back on the line – I went to the trouble to make a longer reply on that Darwinism thread of the other day, as you originally requested, referring to some of the issues discussed.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Hey Dusty – while you’re back on the line – I went to the trouble to make a longer reply on that Darwinism thread of the other day, as you originally requested, referring to some of the issues discussed.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Well, I routinely get pegged — by some, at least — as a “liberal” on this blog, though I actually think I’m more idealogically libertarian, but pigeonholes are for others to determine, I suppose.

    Anyhow, I’d be willing to bet there’s an unexamined age factor in all of this. Most of the “liberal” shows there appear aimed at a younger population (with whom the “sarcastic humor” is likely more popular — it was only invented in 1987, of course). Yes, younger people skew more “liberal”, but my point is that it seems to me that age differences are more likely to be the underlying cause here, not political affiliation. Hard to say, as the article doesn’t link to the actual survey data.

    I think it’s funny that so many “conservatives” take issue with The Daily Show, given that the main animus of that show (admittedly, I haven’t watched it regularly since Obama took office) is skewering the media — something that “conservatives” nominally enjoy doing. This incongruent reaction only furthers the “conservatives can’t take a joke” meme, you know.

    I’ve never watched Colbert regularly, but from what I’ve seen, his schtick doesn’t work. He can’t commit to simply lampooning egotistical talking heads by being like them. He always has to tip his hand.

    If I had to sum up the “liberal” and “conservative” TV shows in one word each, though, it would be this: “edgy” and “inoffensive”, respectively. Actually, those descriptions nominally play into the actual definitions of “liberal” and “conservative”. So … yeah.

    Of course, all this comes from a guy who doesn’t have cable TV (just my little nanny-government-sponsored digital set-top box) and has never gotten into watching TV shows on his computer (with the exception of Facebook-linked Daily Show clips), and, perhaps consequently, rarely watches TV of any sort. I own all of (most of) two TV series on DVD: Arrested Development and The Office. So I guess I fit the pigeonhole? Maybe?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Well, I routinely get pegged — by some, at least — as a “liberal” on this blog, though I actually think I’m more idealogically libertarian, but pigeonholes are for others to determine, I suppose.

    Anyhow, I’d be willing to bet there’s an unexamined age factor in all of this. Most of the “liberal” shows there appear aimed at a younger population (with whom the “sarcastic humor” is likely more popular — it was only invented in 1987, of course). Yes, younger people skew more “liberal”, but my point is that it seems to me that age differences are more likely to be the underlying cause here, not political affiliation. Hard to say, as the article doesn’t link to the actual survey data.

    I think it’s funny that so many “conservatives” take issue with The Daily Show, given that the main animus of that show (admittedly, I haven’t watched it regularly since Obama took office) is skewering the media — something that “conservatives” nominally enjoy doing. This incongruent reaction only furthers the “conservatives can’t take a joke” meme, you know.

    I’ve never watched Colbert regularly, but from what I’ve seen, his schtick doesn’t work. He can’t commit to simply lampooning egotistical talking heads by being like them. He always has to tip his hand.

    If I had to sum up the “liberal” and “conservative” TV shows in one word each, though, it would be this: “edgy” and “inoffensive”, respectively. Actually, those descriptions nominally play into the actual definitions of “liberal” and “conservative”. So … yeah.

    Of course, all this comes from a guy who doesn’t have cable TV (just my little nanny-government-sponsored digital set-top box) and has never gotten into watching TV shows on his computer (with the exception of Facebook-linked Daily Show clips), and, perhaps consequently, rarely watches TV of any sort. I own all of (most of) two TV series on DVD: Arrested Development and The Office. So I guess I fit the pigeonhole? Maybe?

  • JunkerGeorg@yahoo.com

    Though I am a conservative, I simply can’t stand O’Reilly and Hannity. The last two times I watched Fox News were enough: When O’Reilly had a debate with Bill Maher over Christianity and ended up declaring, “We all know the Old Testament is allegorical”, and the other time was when he was not only snide and interruptive, but had the audacity to try to “school” Ron Paul on the gold standard. Hardly “Fair and Balanced”.

    I now prefer to watch the Daily Show, since, while I realize they have a liberal bias, they at least are funny at times. Also, I’ve yet to find a sitcom that is as good as “Northern Exposure” from the 90′s was. Currently, though it’s for a slightly younger audience (and you have to filter out the occasional single-person sexual innuendo/scenarios), we do enjoy watching “Big Bang Theory”.

  • JunkerGeorg@yahoo.com

    Though I am a conservative, I simply can’t stand O’Reilly and Hannity. The last two times I watched Fox News were enough: When O’Reilly had a debate with Bill Maher over Christianity and ended up declaring, “We all know the Old Testament is allegorical”, and the other time was when he was not only snide and interruptive, but had the audacity to try to “school” Ron Paul on the gold standard. Hardly “Fair and Balanced”.

    I now prefer to watch the Daily Show, since, while I realize they have a liberal bias, they at least are funny at times. Also, I’ve yet to find a sitcom that is as good as “Northern Exposure” from the 90′s was. Currently, though it’s for a slightly younger audience (and you have to filter out the occasional single-person sexual innuendo/scenarios), we do enjoy watching “Big Bang Theory”.

  • Dust

    Klasie…actually my request was for you to point out the claims made by me or Lou that you thought were “truly ridiculous” and rather than do that you came back and asked that Lou name one fallacy of yours. And cannot speak for Lou, but am guessing he did not want to play the game that way. In my opinion, you had the ball but you punted it…in any case, you comments was not in reply to my actual request, in my humble opinion :)

    And actually it is just the case that we are on different sides of this issue, and am pretty sure it will always be the case, at least for me. Am not a fan of evolution for many reasons, and am perfectly comfortable with a God that created this Universe, and it doesn’t matter to me how long it took. To me it’s just another of those little things He can do (and continues to do) that doesn’t have a scientific explanation. Sort of like turning water into wine, or his son being born of a virgin, or rising from the dead, or giving sight to the blind. You get the idea? To me, these things have no scientific explanation and don’t need one…same thing for the Creation.

    My personal feelings about why so many folks from the scientific community who call themselves Christians but want to believe in evolution, is simply a matter of peer pressure and they want to fit in with their peers and to avoid the label of irrational or kooky kind of thinker. It seems to be more intellectually honest to believe in evolution, and no one in the educated community, especially among scientists, could bear to be labeled as anti-intellectual?

    But, do they also then deny all the other miracles like the ones above? Probably not, either because their peers don’t know about them, or they don’t get the kind of scrutiny that creation gets, nor have the negative stigma attached to them, if you believe in them. After all, there’s a lot riding on whether or not evolution is true but not such a big deal if some water was turned to wine. Pretty harmless, childish kind of fairytale and doesn’t have serious implications, so we can overlook it if someone wants to believe that harmless little thing. But to me, if God can do that, he can do all the others too. It doesn’t really seem different to me in any sense, in any way. That’s my theory and am sticking to it :)

    So to me, am not a big fan of quibbling over all the evidence and learning all one needs to know to follow the argument so that it leads to the apparently crystal clear and logical conclusion that the planet evolved and so did all the other life forms. To me that is a huge waste of time, because there will always be more data and more evidence and more facts that sort of like trees, stop one from seeing the forest.

    But having said all this, on the other hand, I can see how one could believe in evolution and think it is very logical and all that. It’s just not my thing, but don’t want to put anyone down for it, and don’t want to argue it with them either. In fact, sort of feel sorry for them and pity them for living under such a delusion. But can see how they arrive at their opinion and feel compelled and pressured to do so, especially in this day and age. To me there is no harm done, as long as they don’t go around and insult others who don’t feel that way about it, or put them down because they don’t believe in it. Or think that they are superior because they can see the light and those other people are too stupid to see :(

    Here’s a nice little poem that in my opinion sort of says it all, it’s about astronomy, but it could also be about other things of beauty and wonder and awe:

    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/174747

    Cheers!

  • Dust

    Klasie…actually my request was for you to point out the claims made by me or Lou that you thought were “truly ridiculous” and rather than do that you came back and asked that Lou name one fallacy of yours. And cannot speak for Lou, but am guessing he did not want to play the game that way. In my opinion, you had the ball but you punted it…in any case, you comments was not in reply to my actual request, in my humble opinion :)

    And actually it is just the case that we are on different sides of this issue, and am pretty sure it will always be the case, at least for me. Am not a fan of evolution for many reasons, and am perfectly comfortable with a God that created this Universe, and it doesn’t matter to me how long it took. To me it’s just another of those little things He can do (and continues to do) that doesn’t have a scientific explanation. Sort of like turning water into wine, or his son being born of a virgin, or rising from the dead, or giving sight to the blind. You get the idea? To me, these things have no scientific explanation and don’t need one…same thing for the Creation.

    My personal feelings about why so many folks from the scientific community who call themselves Christians but want to believe in evolution, is simply a matter of peer pressure and they want to fit in with their peers and to avoid the label of irrational or kooky kind of thinker. It seems to be more intellectually honest to believe in evolution, and no one in the educated community, especially among scientists, could bear to be labeled as anti-intellectual?

    But, do they also then deny all the other miracles like the ones above? Probably not, either because their peers don’t know about them, or they don’t get the kind of scrutiny that creation gets, nor have the negative stigma attached to them, if you believe in them. After all, there’s a lot riding on whether or not evolution is true but not such a big deal if some water was turned to wine. Pretty harmless, childish kind of fairytale and doesn’t have serious implications, so we can overlook it if someone wants to believe that harmless little thing. But to me, if God can do that, he can do all the others too. It doesn’t really seem different to me in any sense, in any way. That’s my theory and am sticking to it :)

    So to me, am not a big fan of quibbling over all the evidence and learning all one needs to know to follow the argument so that it leads to the apparently crystal clear and logical conclusion that the planet evolved and so did all the other life forms. To me that is a huge waste of time, because there will always be more data and more evidence and more facts that sort of like trees, stop one from seeing the forest.

    But having said all this, on the other hand, I can see how one could believe in evolution and think it is very logical and all that. It’s just not my thing, but don’t want to put anyone down for it, and don’t want to argue it with them either. In fact, sort of feel sorry for them and pity them for living under such a delusion. But can see how they arrive at their opinion and feel compelled and pressured to do so, especially in this day and age. To me there is no harm done, as long as they don’t go around and insult others who don’t feel that way about it, or put them down because they don’t believe in it. Or think that they are superior because they can see the light and those other people are too stupid to see :(

    Here’s a nice little poem that in my opinion sort of says it all, it’s about astronomy, but it could also be about other things of beauty and wonder and awe:

    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/174747

    Cheers!

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Dust, I do not want to derail this thread, so email me at K—-e.K—-o—s(at)g mail and I will respond to some points you made there, which are pretty intense :)

    In case you miss the email address, fill in the blanks…….

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Dust, I do not want to derail this thread, so email me at K—-e.K—-o—s(at)g mail and I will respond to some points you made there, which are pretty intense :)

    In case you miss the email address, fill in the blanks…….

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Back to the topic – what is it with Arrested Development – many of you mention it? Not funny from where I sit.

    Actually, for a Canadian spin on the whole cops-and-robbers bandwagon, try Republic of Doyle – a slightly whimsical look at the adventures of a offbeat PI in St Johns, Newfoundland. Yes, if you know anyhting about Canada, you know what they say about Newfies….

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Back to the topic – what is it with Arrested Development – many of you mention it? Not funny from where I sit.

    Actually, for a Canadian spin on the whole cops-and-robbers bandwagon, try Republic of Doyle – a slightly whimsical look at the adventures of a offbeat PI in St Johns, Newfoundland. Yes, if you know anyhting about Canada, you know what they say about Newfies….

  • moallen

    I was a big Twin Peaks fan in the 90s – and then it turned out Laura Palmer’s dad, while being inhabited by an Indian spirit, killed his daughter – but at least there was some resolution. I’ve seen a number of David Lynch films, starting with Blue Velvet in the mid-80s. Not sure this fits the conservative/liberal paradigm and besides we’re talking television not movies – but Lynch has long been a fascination of mine. I’ve tried Parks and Recreation – I just didn’t find it funny. Same with Outsourced – mildly funny (is it still on?). Have not seen Big Bang Theory. I could not miss Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Angel when they were broadcast – and am currently watching via Amazon old Firefly episodes – I think Josh Weedon’s work is exceptional – the way he uses religious imagery is interesting and he builds on interesting themes. Watching TV on the computer is not bad – especially when you feed it to a monitor/flat screen via HDMI. I don’t fit the crime drama stereotype of conservatives – nor do I watch much reality beyond Biggest Loser. I think these categorizations, while interesting, there are many many who don’t fit into any box – you won’t catch me downloading the latest “Dancing with the Stars.” Also – I find “The Soup!” formerly “Talk Soup” pretty funny, in a snarky irreverent way – that’s the kind of ironic disdain/humor I appreciate i.e. “it’s pretty much all just a bunch of crap” – television that is. All this and I don’t watch broadcast tv or have cable – but I do tune in some shows when I am on the road. (I had literally no idea who Kate Gosslin was when she suddenly appeared on the cover of every single supermarket tabloid, with the divorce headlines.) The internet is taking us to the nonlinear, watch what you want when you want world. In fact, we’re there. I probably should watch more – just to keep current with shooting styles and what is selling. But who has the time any more?

  • moallen

    I was a big Twin Peaks fan in the 90s – and then it turned out Laura Palmer’s dad, while being inhabited by an Indian spirit, killed his daughter – but at least there was some resolution. I’ve seen a number of David Lynch films, starting with Blue Velvet in the mid-80s. Not sure this fits the conservative/liberal paradigm and besides we’re talking television not movies – but Lynch has long been a fascination of mine. I’ve tried Parks and Recreation – I just didn’t find it funny. Same with Outsourced – mildly funny (is it still on?). Have not seen Big Bang Theory. I could not miss Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Angel when they were broadcast – and am currently watching via Amazon old Firefly episodes – I think Josh Weedon’s work is exceptional – the way he uses religious imagery is interesting and he builds on interesting themes. Watching TV on the computer is not bad – especially when you feed it to a monitor/flat screen via HDMI. I don’t fit the crime drama stereotype of conservatives – nor do I watch much reality beyond Biggest Loser. I think these categorizations, while interesting, there are many many who don’t fit into any box – you won’t catch me downloading the latest “Dancing with the Stars.” Also – I find “The Soup!” formerly “Talk Soup” pretty funny, in a snarky irreverent way – that’s the kind of ironic disdain/humor I appreciate i.e. “it’s pretty much all just a bunch of crap” – television that is. All this and I don’t watch broadcast tv or have cable – but I do tune in some shows when I am on the road. (I had literally no idea who Kate Gosslin was when she suddenly appeared on the cover of every single supermarket tabloid, with the divorce headlines.) The internet is taking us to the nonlinear, watch what you want when you want world. In fact, we’re there. I probably should watch more – just to keep current with shooting styles and what is selling. But who has the time any more?

  • moallen

    Recently when I was on the road I watched several episodes of “Ghost Adventures” – who knew an entire show could be based around random shots with a night vision camera and amplified audio artifacts? I watched though. I know a crew member who worked on an episode of Ghost Hunters shot here locally – he claims he saw an “orb” shoot through a room – he will never work on another episode. I wonder how shows with spiritual themes/ideas such as these fare between Republicans and Democrats. It seems that conservatives, being more religious in general, would watch more shows with paranormal themes, even if such activity is attributed to demons (by the viewers and sometimes implied even in the shows). Or would the Biblical injunction against the occult preclude viewing such a show? I wonder – espcially given my appetite for this particular rot. I really do wonder what the break-out would be.

  • moallen

    Recently when I was on the road I watched several episodes of “Ghost Adventures” – who knew an entire show could be based around random shots with a night vision camera and amplified audio artifacts? I watched though. I know a crew member who worked on an episode of Ghost Hunters shot here locally – he claims he saw an “orb” shoot through a room – he will never work on another episode. I wonder how shows with spiritual themes/ideas such as these fare between Republicans and Democrats. It seems that conservatives, being more religious in general, would watch more shows with paranormal themes, even if such activity is attributed to demons (by the viewers and sometimes implied even in the shows). Or would the Biblical injunction against the occult preclude viewing such a show? I wonder – espcially given my appetite for this particular rot. I really do wonder what the break-out would be.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Klasie (@40):

    What is it with Arrested Development – many of you mention it? Not funny from where I sit.

    Maybe it’s just truly American humor, then? Because I assure you, it is one of the best, funniest TV shows I have ever watched. The jokes in that show are ludicrously intricate.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Klasie (@40):

    What is it with Arrested Development – many of you mention it? Not funny from where I sit.

    Maybe it’s just truly American humor, then? Because I assure you, it is one of the best, funniest TV shows I have ever watched. The jokes in that show are ludicrously intricate.

  • mikeb

    moallen @ 41

    Watching TV on the computer is not bad – especially when you feed it to a monitor/flat screen via HDMI.

    We don’t have cable and will occasionally hook my laptop to the tv/surround sound system to watch Hulu. The kids love the old cartoons (they love Pink Panther and HeMan) and it’s nice to see some classics (even from a couple years ago) without so much sex, drugs, and violence.

  • mikeb

    moallen @ 41

    Watching TV on the computer is not bad – especially when you feed it to a monitor/flat screen via HDMI.

    We don’t have cable and will occasionally hook my laptop to the tv/surround sound system to watch Hulu. The kids love the old cartoons (they love Pink Panther and HeMan) and it’s nice to see some classics (even from a couple years ago) without so much sex, drugs, and violence.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Todd – it has been some time – but I understood the attempt at humour, ie what was meant to be funny. I just did not find it all that funny, just slightly lame. Same with Modern Family.

    If you want to see me rolling in the aisles, you probably have to go to some British comedy .. Or an old episode of Mash?

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Todd – it has been some time – but I understood the attempt at humour, ie what was meant to be funny. I just did not find it all that funny, just slightly lame. Same with Modern Family.

    If you want to see me rolling in the aisles, you probably have to go to some British comedy .. Or an old episode of Mash?

  • SAL

    Apparently I’m in some Bermuda Triangle demographic.

    Here’s a list of shows I’ve liked recently:

    Jericho
    FlashForward
    Dollhouse
    Kings
    Madmen
    No Ordinary Family
    $#*! My Dad Says
    The Event
    The Cape
    Lie To Me
    The Good Guys

    So if I like a show it has a high chance of being canceled the first season and it’s highly unlikely to last past season two. The only show I’ve liked lately that’s done well is Madmen.

    I’m a 29 year old father of two kids who’s at the exact center of the income distribution. How come my shows always get canceled?

  • SAL

    Apparently I’m in some Bermuda Triangle demographic.

    Here’s a list of shows I’ve liked recently:

    Jericho
    FlashForward
    Dollhouse
    Kings
    Madmen
    No Ordinary Family
    $#*! My Dad Says
    The Event
    The Cape
    Lie To Me
    The Good Guys

    So if I like a show it has a high chance of being canceled the first season and it’s highly unlikely to last past season two. The only show I’ve liked lately that’s done well is Madmen.

    I’m a 29 year old father of two kids who’s at the exact center of the income distribution. How come my shows always get canceled?

  • Cincinnatus

    Arrested Development is probably the funniest, wittiest sitcom ever produced. And I say this as a fan of British comedy, which is allegedly superior to American humor.

    Modern family is amusing, but not nearly on par with AD. And, as this list suggests, its political agenda–and there is one–can often be just too obvious and distracting. Yeah, I get it. Gay families are just like everyone else.

    Other than that, none of the shows I watch in anything resembling a systematic manner are on this list. TV hipster?

    I’ll second the accolades of the recent BBC version of Sherlock, though. Grade A stuff.

  • Cincinnatus

    Arrested Development is probably the funniest, wittiest sitcom ever produced. And I say this as a fan of British comedy, which is allegedly superior to American humor.

    Modern family is amusing, but not nearly on par with AD. And, as this list suggests, its political agenda–and there is one–can often be just too obvious and distracting. Yeah, I get it. Gay families are just like everyone else.

    Other than that, none of the shows I watch in anything resembling a systematic manner are on this list. TV hipster?

    I’ll second the accolades of the recent BBC version of Sherlock, though. Grade A stuff.

  • Cincinnatus

    Since the discussion is meandering a bit, can I also point out that some television series, particularly on HBO and AMC, are approaching cinematic quality? In many respects, they are superior to a lot of movies in their capacity to sustain an extended narrative and character development over months or even years.

    Breaking Bad, Mad Men, The Wire, even (I confess) Battlestar Galactica, among others: some of the only television worthy of being classified “art,” I think.

  • Cincinnatus

    Since the discussion is meandering a bit, can I also point out that some television series, particularly on HBO and AMC, are approaching cinematic quality? In many respects, they are superior to a lot of movies in their capacity to sustain an extended narrative and character development over months or even years.

    Breaking Bad, Mad Men, The Wire, even (I confess) Battlestar Galactica, among others: some of the only television worthy of being classified “art,” I think.

  • mikeb

    SAL @ 46

    I thought I was the only person watching Jericho–

  • mikeb

    SAL @ 46

    I thought I was the only person watching Jericho–

  • moallen

    SAL, mikeb,

    Nope, I watched Jericho too… In addition to Flashforward and The Event. Good fun. Plus, I wanted to check out Dollhouse – Eliza Dushku was good in Buffy and Angel – plus the Joss Whedon connection means it’s entertaining.

  • moallen

    SAL, mikeb,

    Nope, I watched Jericho too… In addition to Flashforward and The Event. Good fun. Plus, I wanted to check out Dollhouse – Eliza Dushku was good in Buffy and Angel – plus the Joss Whedon connection means it’s entertaining.

  • Tom Hering

    Has anyone watched an episode of Terra Nova? Doing a series without actors or writers is an interesting idea.

  • Tom Hering

    Has anyone watched an episode of Terra Nova? Doing a series without actors or writers is an interesting idea.

  • kerner

    Kirk vs. Picard? Neither. Sisko, in the later years when he had the shaved head and goatee.

    The best TV show EVER is “The Wire” (HBO), which gets the workings of urban police work, crime, politics, unions and the press better than any other work of fiction on the small screen.

    The first couple seasons have a bit too much HBO sex for me, and the character drop the f-bomb as frequently as their real life counterparts do. If you can get past that, it’s great.

    For what little it’s worth, I don’t have cable or a dish. I got the discs from Netflix.

  • kerner

    Kirk vs. Picard? Neither. Sisko, in the later years when he had the shaved head and goatee.

    The best TV show EVER is “The Wire” (HBO), which gets the workings of urban police work, crime, politics, unions and the press better than any other work of fiction on the small screen.

    The first couple seasons have a bit too much HBO sex for me, and the character drop the f-bomb as frequently as their real life counterparts do. If you can get past that, it’s great.

    For what little it’s worth, I don’t have cable or a dish. I got the discs from Netflix.

  • mikeb

    moallen @ 50

    I guess we were the only three then! Counting my wife makes it four…

  • mikeb

    moallen @ 50

    I guess we were the only three then! Counting my wife makes it four…

  • mikeb

    Tom @ 51

    Leave it to Fox to air “When Dinosaurs Attack!”

  • mikeb

    Tom @ 51

    Leave it to Fox to air “When Dinosaurs Attack!”

  • Nathan

    I would agree with caleb land and tODD that age probably has a lot to do with this. I am a 20-year-old conservative, and while I don’t watch much television (I prefer talk radio instead), I do enjoy watching The Middle, The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson, and The Office. I also enjoy watching Mythbusters when I have access to cable TV. Unlike the conservatives in this study, I can’t stand reality TV. I have to imagine that my age has something to do with my more liberal-leaning tastes in television.

  • Nathan

    I would agree with caleb land and tODD that age probably has a lot to do with this. I am a 20-year-old conservative, and while I don’t watch much television (I prefer talk radio instead), I do enjoy watching The Middle, The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson, and The Office. I also enjoy watching Mythbusters when I have access to cable TV. Unlike the conservatives in this study, I can’t stand reality TV. I have to imagine that my age has something to do with my more liberal-leaning tastes in television.

  • bob taylor

    no. just no


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