Democratic party says to hijack GOP primary

Dirty tricks:

The Michigan Democratic Party sent an e-mail to supporters Wednesday encouraging them to take part in the state’s Republican presidential primary on Tuesday.

The e-mail points to a YouTube video of two Republican state senators encouraging Democrats to vote and notes that voters can still return to voting in the Democratic caucuses two months from now.

“Any Democrat who takes Senators Jones and Meekhof up on their offer will still be able to participate in the Michigan Democratic Party’s presidential caucuses on May 5, 2012,” Michigan Democratic Party Chairman Mark Brewer said in the brief missive. “If Democratic crossover votes affect the results of the GOP presidential primary next Tuesday, the Republicans will only have themselves to blame.”

There has been some discussion that Democrats might cross over and vote for Rick Santorum over Mitt Romney in an effort either to prolong the Republican nominating contest or to nominate the supposedly less-electable Santorum. . . .

This year’s effort, which is being pushed by liberal blogs like Daily Kos, has been dubbed “Operation Hilarity.”

via Michigan Democratic Party encourages crossover voting in GOP presidential primary – The Washington Post.

I understand the Daily Kos crowd thinking it would be “hilarious” to throw off the Republicans and even funnier to have someone as religious as Santorum drag the Republicans down to ridicule and certain defeat.  So they think.  But to have the official party call for thwarting the political process like this is surely highly unethical.  Isn’t it?

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Tom Hering

    Hmm. One party officially organizing a way for its supporters to mess with the opposing party’s candidates. Why does this sound familiar?

  • Tom Hering

    Hmm. One party officially organizing a way for its supporters to mess with the opposing party’s candidates. Why does this sound familiar?

  • SKPeterson

    Are you seriously shocked that, through common practice, “unethical” and “political process” are words and phrases joined at the hip?

  • SKPeterson

    Are you seriously shocked that, through common practice, “unethical” and “political process” are words and phrases joined at the hip?

  • Joe

    Tom – At lest be fair and report that the Wis. Dems did the exact same thing in the recall races their senators faced last summer. Mike Tate (Chair of the Wis. Dem. party) referred to them as “placeholder candidates.” The Wis. GOP called them “protest candidates” anyone who was paying attention knows that the reason both sides ran these fake candidates was to delay the general – no one was fooled by it on either side.

    This link will take you to the AWL a blog that as far as I can tell hates the Reps and the Dems, but it does collect reports of fake Dems and fake Republicans in Wisconsin over the last several years.

    http://www.theawl.com/2011/06/wisconsin-inc-new-republican-politics-in-the-age-of-the-recall

    This goes back to the framing the issue thread, as the link points out Wisconsin’s Dems (well actually it was AFSCME but in Wisconsin AFSCME and the Dem party are the same thing) started running fake GOP primary candidates in 2010; before in the recall season was upon us.

  • Joe

    Tom – At lest be fair and report that the Wis. Dems did the exact same thing in the recall races their senators faced last summer. Mike Tate (Chair of the Wis. Dem. party) referred to them as “placeholder candidates.” The Wis. GOP called them “protest candidates” anyone who was paying attention knows that the reason both sides ran these fake candidates was to delay the general – no one was fooled by it on either side.

    This link will take you to the AWL a blog that as far as I can tell hates the Reps and the Dems, but it does collect reports of fake Dems and fake Republicans in Wisconsin over the last several years.

    http://www.theawl.com/2011/06/wisconsin-inc-new-republican-politics-in-the-age-of-the-recall

    This goes back to the framing the issue thread, as the link points out Wisconsin’s Dems (well actually it was AFSCME but in Wisconsin AFSCME and the Dem party are the same thing) started running fake GOP primary candidates in 2010; before in the recall season was upon us.

  • Joe

    ** should point out that the AWL hates the Dems for not being left enough.

  • Joe

    ** should point out that the AWL hates the Dems for not being left enough.

  • Tom Hering

    Joe @ 3, I gladly admit that both partys have done this sort of thing. And I share SK’s surprise that anyone is shocked by the news that one party is messing with the opposing party’s primary.

  • Tom Hering

    Joe @ 3, I gladly admit that both partys have done this sort of thing. And I share SK’s surprise that anyone is shocked by the news that one party is messing with the opposing party’s primary.

  • Joe

    Tom @ 5- I’m with you on both accounts.

  • Joe

    Tom @ 5- I’m with you on both accounts.

  • Dennis Peskey

    As a resident of the State of Michigan, I am not pleased with the behavior of the political parties in our State. I am less pleased with the reality I’m paying for these primaries and this is how the democratic party demeans our elective process. I would approve sending the bill for the primaries to the state democratic headquarters, due upon arrival as a lesson in civics and democracy. I will be going to the polls on Tuesday to vote for the candidate who offers the best leadership for our country, Rick Santorum. When the general election comes in November, I shall give appropriate consideration to splitting my ballot for any “qualified” democratic candidates unless they denounce this juvenile behavior.
    Pax,
    Dennis

  • Dennis Peskey

    As a resident of the State of Michigan, I am not pleased with the behavior of the political parties in our State. I am less pleased with the reality I’m paying for these primaries and this is how the democratic party demeans our elective process. I would approve sending the bill for the primaries to the state democratic headquarters, due upon arrival as a lesson in civics and democracy. I will be going to the polls on Tuesday to vote for the candidate who offers the best leadership for our country, Rick Santorum. When the general election comes in November, I shall give appropriate consideration to splitting my ballot for any “qualified” democratic candidates unless they denounce this juvenile behavior.
    Pax,
    Dennis

  • Tom Hering

    Satan is attacking Michigan. :-D

  • Tom Hering

    Satan is attacking Michigan. :-D

  • Kirk

    Dr. Veith, you do realize that students at PHC have registered Democrat to screw up primary votes, don’t you.

  • Kirk

    Dr. Veith, you do realize that students at PHC have registered Democrat to screw up primary votes, don’t you.

  • Rose

    This is reminiscent of Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’ in 2008 which urged everyone to vote for Hilarity Clinton in the primaries.
    However, Rush is a rascal and not the official party.

  • Rose

    This is reminiscent of Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’ in 2008 which urged everyone to vote for Hilarity Clinton in the primaries.
    However, Rush is a rascal and not the official party.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Well, what do you expect when your state has an “open primary?”

    Stupid, just stupid.

    My opinion is that party primaries ought to be at the expense of the party in question and participation therein subject to being restricted to whomever the party considers it’s members. Government should not be involved in political primaries at all.

    Does the State insert itself into the election process of the Water Buffalos when they decide who will be their next Grand Poobah? Does the State say that members of the Moose Lodge or the Elks Lodge must be allowed to participate in the Water Buffalos private election?

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Well, what do you expect when your state has an “open primary?”

    Stupid, just stupid.

    My opinion is that party primaries ought to be at the expense of the party in question and participation therein subject to being restricted to whomever the party considers it’s members. Government should not be involved in political primaries at all.

    Does the State insert itself into the election process of the Water Buffalos when they decide who will be their next Grand Poobah? Does the State say that members of the Moose Lodge or the Elks Lodge must be allowed to participate in the Water Buffalos private election?

  • Aloysius

    This harks back at least to Rush Limbaugh’s wicked “Operation Chaos” plan. I call it wicked because it so obviously violates the Golden Rule. But, as they say, what goes around comes around.

  • Aloysius

    This harks back at least to Rush Limbaugh’s wicked “Operation Chaos” plan. I call it wicked because it so obviously violates the Golden Rule. But, as they say, what goes around comes around.

  • Joe

    I would say this, any state that has an open primary not only allows this to happen but sanctions it. In Wisconsin anyone can vote in the primary but you have to pick one party’s ballot at the polling place. Never are you asked your party affiliation – in fact there is no way to formally affiliate with a party from the perspective of the Gov’t. We don’t have to register as a dem, rep, or independent.

    Our open primary is often justified on the basis that it allows the public at large to select the two best candidates to proceed. Under this theory there is simply nothing wrong with me voting for Hillary in the dem primary in 2008 (which I did) because I thought she would have made a better president than Obama. I was hedging my bet. If I lose, I’d rather lose to her.

    Now, I think open primaries are dumb. Heck I think closed primaries are dumb (but less dumb). Each party should go into a smoke filled back room and pick whoever they want and then go sell the person to the voters. The selection of a candidate to represent a party in an election should be done by the party. If the party picks the wrong guy, the party will self-correct or the party will go away. I think this might actually lead to more parties – which I think would be a good thing.

  • Joe

    I would say this, any state that has an open primary not only allows this to happen but sanctions it. In Wisconsin anyone can vote in the primary but you have to pick one party’s ballot at the polling place. Never are you asked your party affiliation – in fact there is no way to formally affiliate with a party from the perspective of the Gov’t. We don’t have to register as a dem, rep, or independent.

    Our open primary is often justified on the basis that it allows the public at large to select the two best candidates to proceed. Under this theory there is simply nothing wrong with me voting for Hillary in the dem primary in 2008 (which I did) because I thought she would have made a better president than Obama. I was hedging my bet. If I lose, I’d rather lose to her.

    Now, I think open primaries are dumb. Heck I think closed primaries are dumb (but less dumb). Each party should go into a smoke filled back room and pick whoever they want and then go sell the person to the voters. The selection of a candidate to represent a party in an election should be done by the party. If the party picks the wrong guy, the party will self-correct or the party will go away. I think this might actually lead to more parties – which I think would be a good thing.

  • trotk

    Yet another reason to heed Washington’s parting advice and reject political parties all together.

    If this sort of action bothers you, start registering as an independent and voting independently. A vote for the Democrats or the Republicans is the same wasted vote, because it will just perpetuate a broken system. Two sides of the same coin, six one way and a half-dozen the other, guns or butter – recognize that both parties are interested in one thing and one thing only: power.

  • trotk

    Yet another reason to heed Washington’s parting advice and reject political parties all together.

    If this sort of action bothers you, start registering as an independent and voting independently. A vote for the Democrats or the Republicans is the same wasted vote, because it will just perpetuate a broken system. Two sides of the same coin, six one way and a half-dozen the other, guns or butter – recognize that both parties are interested in one thing and one thing only: power.

  • DonS

    This stuff is part of politics, done by both sides. It doesn’t have an impact on presidential primary elections because the turnouts are larger and very few voters are engaged enough or strategic enough to execute the plan. Sometimes it can make a difference at the local level in a partisan race and in an off-year or special election, where turnouts are very low.

    As has been said above, many states now have open primaries, which are extremely dumb and which essentially sanction this kind of “negative” voting.

  • DonS

    This stuff is part of politics, done by both sides. It doesn’t have an impact on presidential primary elections because the turnouts are larger and very few voters are engaged enough or strategic enough to execute the plan. Sometimes it can make a difference at the local level in a partisan race and in an off-year or special election, where turnouts are very low.

    As has been said above, many states now have open primaries, which are extremely dumb and which essentially sanction this kind of “negative” voting.

  • Grace

    This announcement just might usher in the “Popular Vote.” It’s been discussed many times. I agree with a “majority vote”

  • Grace

    This announcement just might usher in the “Popular Vote.” It’s been discussed many times. I agree with a “majority vote”

  • SKPeterson

    What Mike W. says is particularly relevant. Why are the states picking up the tab for political parties to decide who will be on their ticket in the general election? Why not have each party decide how and when it will undertake to select its condidates? In fact, would it not be better to have people have to pay to vote in a party primary? You know, a $20 membership fee that would go to the local or state party for electioneering, etc. If you don’t want to pay, you don’t have to vote, but you also make it expensive for people to try and spike another party’s election process.

  • SKPeterson

    What Mike W. says is particularly relevant. Why are the states picking up the tab for political parties to decide who will be on their ticket in the general election? Why not have each party decide how and when it will undertake to select its condidates? In fact, would it not be better to have people have to pay to vote in a party primary? You know, a $20 membership fee that would go to the local or state party for electioneering, etc. If you don’t want to pay, you don’t have to vote, but you also make it expensive for people to try and spike another party’s election process.

  • Grace

    SKP

    Making a charge to vote in an election is plain wrong. Those who could afford to do so, would be far more in the majority, especially in this economy.

  • Grace

    SKP

    Making a charge to vote in an election is plain wrong. Those who could afford to do so, would be far more in the majority, especially in this economy.

  • Joe

    Grace – you assume you have the right to vote in a primary. Certainly you have a constitutional right to vote in the election that decides who take office, but you have no constitutional right to participate in the selection of any parties’ candidate.

  • Joe

    Grace – you assume you have the right to vote in a primary. Certainly you have a constitutional right to vote in the election that decides who take office, but you have no constitutional right to participate in the selection of any parties’ candidate.

  • Helen K.

    I think SKP @17 has a point. The average person “wastes” say, $20.00 frequently. Even in this dismal economy.

  • Helen K.

    I think SKP @17 has a point. The average person “wastes” say, $20.00 frequently. Even in this dismal economy.

  • Grace

    Joe @ 19

    You stated: “Grace – you assume you have the right to vote in a primary.”

    I do have the right to vote in the primary election here in California. I must choose either to vote in the Republican or Democrate primary.

  • Grace

    Joe @ 19

    You stated: “Grace – you assume you have the right to vote in a primary.”

    I do have the right to vote in the primary election here in California. I must choose either to vote in the Republican or Democrate primary.

  • Grace

    Helen K

    The idea of charging 20.00 to vote, or any other dollar amount is ludicrous!

  • Grace

    Helen K

    The idea of charging 20.00 to vote, or any other dollar amount is ludicrous!

  • SKPeterson

    Grace – Can you walk into any local Lions Club and vote? Of do you have to pay a membership fee? Why are political parties different? If you want to be a Republican, pay to be a Republican. If you want to be a Democrat, pay to be a Democrat. If you want to be Independent, then wait for the free general election.

  • SKPeterson

    Grace – Can you walk into any local Lions Club and vote? Of do you have to pay a membership fee? Why are political parties different? If you want to be a Republican, pay to be a Republican. If you want to be a Democrat, pay to be a Democrat. If you want to be Independent, then wait for the free general election.

  • Grace

    SKPeterson

    Comparing the United States to a Lions Club, adding to that, in need of a membership fee, is absurd. The U.S. is not a club. :razz: However, after your last post, much of what I’ve read previously from your posts is rather telling, as a comparative to club membership!

  • Grace

    SKPeterson

    Comparing the United States to a Lions Club, adding to that, in need of a membership fee, is absurd. The U.S. is not a club. :razz: However, after your last post, much of what I’ve read previously from your posts is rather telling, as a comparative to club membership!

  • Gary

    SK and Mike, I agree with you in principle–political parties are private associations, and at their own expense they can (theoretically) use whatever process they care to in the selection of their nominees.

    The other side, though, which Grace supports, is that de facto these private associations are being regulated because 1. it is widely perceived/believed among voters that these parties have a public service _obligation_ to conduct an honest nomination process so the nominees may accurately reflect member preferences, and 2. the electorate has a super-constitutional “right” to choose between choose between candidates _they_ had a hand in nominating, on the grounds that ultimately the whole electorate, regardless of party, has to be saddled with whichever nominee wins.

  • Gary

    SK and Mike, I agree with you in principle–political parties are private associations, and at their own expense they can (theoretically) use whatever process they care to in the selection of their nominees.

    The other side, though, which Grace supports, is that de facto these private associations are being regulated because 1. it is widely perceived/believed among voters that these parties have a public service _obligation_ to conduct an honest nomination process so the nominees may accurately reflect member preferences, and 2. the electorate has a super-constitutional “right” to choose between choose between candidates _they_ had a hand in nominating, on the grounds that ultimately the whole electorate, regardless of party, has to be saddled with whichever nominee wins.

  • http://enterthevein.wordpress.com J. Dean

    It’s funny how this is openly championed.. and yes, it’s been done on both sides.

  • http://enterthevein.wordpress.com J. Dean

    It’s funny how this is openly championed.. and yes, it’s been done on both sides.

  • Lou

    I am so for Rick Santorum right now. I truly hope that the democrats do this and help get him nominated. A Rick Santorum run for the White House is EXACTLY what this country needs. Forget about the greed/economy schtick. We need a moral/spiritual wake up call and the only guy in the room who can do it is Mr. Santorum. Whether he is elected or not, we need him to take on Obama directly, in my opinion.

  • Lou

    I am so for Rick Santorum right now. I truly hope that the democrats do this and help get him nominated. A Rick Santorum run for the White House is EXACTLY what this country needs. Forget about the greed/economy schtick. We need a moral/spiritual wake up call and the only guy in the room who can do it is Mr. Santorum. Whether he is elected or not, we need him to take on Obama directly, in my opinion.

  • Grace

    Lou,

    I couldn’t agree with you more – Santorum is the only choice we have.

    Reading just today what Obama wants to do regarding our “Troops” and their health care. The guy really doesn’t care, he never tires of his socialism cause. It was announced just this afternoon.

    Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

    One of the lines reads:
    “Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges.”

    http://freebeacon.com/trashing-tricare/

  • Grace

    Lou,

    I couldn’t agree with you more – Santorum is the only choice we have.

    Reading just today what Obama wants to do regarding our “Troops” and their health care. The guy really doesn’t care, he never tires of his socialism cause. It was announced just this afternoon.

    Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

    One of the lines reads:
    “Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges.”

    http://freebeacon.com/trashing-tricare/

  • #4 Kitty

    Democratic party says to hijack GOP primary

    It’s not just the Democratic party!

  • #4 Kitty

    Democratic party says to hijack GOP primary

    It’s not just the Democratic party!

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