Romney wins Florida

The tally:

Mitt Romney 615,216 47.3%

Newt Gingrich 408,952 31.4%

Rick Santorum 170,860 13.1%

Ron Paul 89,105 6.8%

Other 17,683 1.4%

via Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis.

The next contest is the Nevada caucuses on Saturday.  Last time Romney cleaned up in that state with its big Mormon population.  Ron Paul might do well in Nevada with his libertarian philosophy appealing to the vice industry.  But it looks like Romney is sewing up the nomination.  What do you think about that?

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  • Spaulding

    That the RNC wants Obama to win a second term

  • Spaulding

    That the RNC wants Obama to win a second term

  • Michael B.

    @Spaulding

    I think the RNC is taking the right track. What are social conservatives going to do? Vote for Obama?

  • Michael B.

    @Spaulding

    I think the RNC is taking the right track. What are social conservatives going to do? Vote for Obama?

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Spaulding – Every single poll has indicated that Gingrich has much less of a chance to beat Obama than Romney (not that I say either would, but we are talking statistical chances here). So your comment at #1 makes no sense whatsoever.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Spaulding – Every single poll has indicated that Gingrich has much less of a chance to beat Obama than Romney (not that I say either would, but we are talking statistical chances here). So your comment at #1 makes no sense whatsoever.

  • helen

    How did we arrive at an election where I’d have to hold my nose to vote for anybody running!?

  • helen

    How did we arrive at an election where I’d have to hold my nose to vote for anybody running!?

  • SKPeterson

    Skating away on the thin ice of a new day where Obama is elected to a second term.

    Here’s the question: Will the general disgust of Obama by a large portion of the voting public outweigh the general apathy towards Romney by that same population? The RNC is betting yes. I’m betting the odds are still in Obama’s favor and Romney isn’t the horse to make it across the finish line in the lead. And Obama is a very slow horse.

  • SKPeterson

    Skating away on the thin ice of a new day where Obama is elected to a second term.

    Here’s the question: Will the general disgust of Obama by a large portion of the voting public outweigh the general apathy towards Romney by that same population? The RNC is betting yes. I’m betting the odds are still in Obama’s favor and Romney isn’t the horse to make it across the finish line in the lead. And Obama is a very slow horse.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    SKP

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    SKP

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Oops – that was an accidental posting.

    SKP, as I was starting to say – before this whole show started, Obama had very bad approval ratings – and the word on the street was that the lection is going to be the GOP’s to lose. Prophetic? Quite possible.

    Some factors to consider:

    1. Typhoon Gingrich – never will he win the election, but he will, and is hard at work doing so, destroy the party from within. Words cannot describe how egomaniacal the fellow is. Just seeing him stand up and say – I am a Republican – drives independants into Obama’s arms in their hordes. This is the assessment by a veteran politician of my acquiatance, btw. In addition to that, he is seriously bleeding the eventual candidate (Romney), and providing tons of ammunition to the Obama compaing against Romney. He is even turning the trational ultra-conservatives into anti-captialists somehow!
    2. Loss of concentration. The Republicans are losing their concentration on key issues – especially the economy, and instead focus to much on Obama the man – what with the old teleprompter nonsense and all that (forgetting his spectacular performance in the of-the-cuff debates 4 years ago, and the mud-on-the face Trump for all his anti-Obama rhetoric).
    3. Thr Republicans are too easily swayed by sweet words – Santorum has a big government past, and so has Gingrich, yet everyone forgets it as soon as they open their mouths. This makes them look stupid, making the undecided voters back away.

    Look, at the end of the day, as a ghastly outsider I’m not going to declare support for either Obama or Romney (presuming the seemingly inevitable happens), but these are my independant observations.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Oops – that was an accidental posting.

    SKP, as I was starting to say – before this whole show started, Obama had very bad approval ratings – and the word on the street was that the lection is going to be the GOP’s to lose. Prophetic? Quite possible.

    Some factors to consider:

    1. Typhoon Gingrich – never will he win the election, but he will, and is hard at work doing so, destroy the party from within. Words cannot describe how egomaniacal the fellow is. Just seeing him stand up and say – I am a Republican – drives independants into Obama’s arms in their hordes. This is the assessment by a veteran politician of my acquiatance, btw. In addition to that, he is seriously bleeding the eventual candidate (Romney), and providing tons of ammunition to the Obama compaing against Romney. He is even turning the trational ultra-conservatives into anti-captialists somehow!
    2. Loss of concentration. The Republicans are losing their concentration on key issues – especially the economy, and instead focus to much on Obama the man – what with the old teleprompter nonsense and all that (forgetting his spectacular performance in the of-the-cuff debates 4 years ago, and the mud-on-the face Trump for all his anti-Obama rhetoric).
    3. Thr Republicans are too easily swayed by sweet words – Santorum has a big government past, and so has Gingrich, yet everyone forgets it as soon as they open their mouths. This makes them look stupid, making the undecided voters back away.

    Look, at the end of the day, as a ghastly outsider I’m not going to declare support for either Obama or Romney (presuming the seemingly inevitable happens), but these are my independant observations.

  • Tom Hering

    “… the general apathy towards Romney …” – SK @ 5.

    We know Romney is anti-Obama. And we know he’s anti-Newt. And we know he’s not concerned about either the very rich or the very poor. But what in the name of heaven does the man stand for – what in heaven’s name is he in favor of? What has he proposed that isn’t just a platitude about the good old American Way?

    Apathy is entirely understandable.

  • Tom Hering

    “… the general apathy towards Romney …” – SK @ 5.

    We know Romney is anti-Obama. And we know he’s anti-Newt. And we know he’s not concerned about either the very rich or the very poor. But what in the name of heaven does the man stand for – what in heaven’s name is he in favor of? What has he proposed that isn’t just a platitude about the good old American Way?

    Apathy is entirely understandable.

  • Jon

    Well, Tom, we also know that he is not solid pro-life.

    If anything, he is for pragmatism.

  • Jon

    Well, Tom, we also know that he is not solid pro-life.

    If anything, he is for pragmatism.

  • SKPeterson

    Jon and Tom – Here’s the stark choice facing the American people: Obama, who is a pragmatist who will spend trillions of dollars. Or, Romney, who is a pragmatist who will only spends hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars.

  • SKPeterson

    Jon and Tom – Here’s the stark choice facing the American people: Obama, who is a pragmatist who will spend trillions of dollars. Or, Romney, who is a pragmatist who will only spends hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars.

  • Renee

    @ Tom Hering – Ok. I’m gonna sound crazy for a minute, but to answer your question “What in the name of heaven does the man stand for – what in heaven’s name is he in favor of?” Here is the oath Mitt Romney took in the Mormon Temple:

    “You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.”

    There is a prophecy in the Mormon Church spoken by Joseph Smith and again by Brigham Young that states, “The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people (Mormons) will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.”

    Most people know little about the Latter-day Saints. They are a people with a plan.

  • Renee

    @ Tom Hering – Ok. I’m gonna sound crazy for a minute, but to answer your question “What in the name of heaven does the man stand for – what in heaven’s name is he in favor of?” Here is the oath Mitt Romney took in the Mormon Temple:

    “You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.”

    There is a prophecy in the Mormon Church spoken by Joseph Smith and again by Brigham Young that states, “The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people (Mormons) will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.”

    Most people know little about the Latter-day Saints. They are a people with a plan.

  • Renee

    We may not believe the plan, but Mitt Romney does.

    “Let us now notice our political position in the world. What are we going to do? We are going to possess the earth . . . and reign over it for ever and ever. Now, ye Kings and Emperors help yourselves if you can. This is the truth and it may as well be told at this time as at any other. There’s a good time coming, Saints, a good time coming!” – Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 230

  • Renee

    We may not believe the plan, but Mitt Romney does.

    “Let us now notice our political position in the world. What are we going to do? We are going to possess the earth . . . and reign over it for ever and ever. Now, ye Kings and Emperors help yourselves if you can. This is the truth and it may as well be told at this time as at any other. There’s a good time coming, Saints, a good time coming!” – Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 230

  • Renee
  • Renee
  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Renee – really? Lots and lots of people take religious oaths – and 99% don’t live up to them. How much did that oath – thingy influence his governorship of Massachusets? Or his father’s governorship of Michigan? And did the pope take over the US under Kennedy (pre-Vatican II)? Spare us the conspiracy theories, and other hooh-haah, please. Mormonism is a bit kooky, but really??

    As to the pragmatism thing – Romney is a CEO – type. You guys could do worse. Ask yourselves – all the stuff previous presidents have said they believed in – how much of that literally “came to pass”? And how much was just electoral speak to get the poor sods to vote them into power and a nice pension package?

    View Romney as a technocrat, and Obama as an idealist.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Renee – really? Lots and lots of people take religious oaths – and 99% don’t live up to them. How much did that oath – thingy influence his governorship of Massachusets? Or his father’s governorship of Michigan? And did the pope take over the US under Kennedy (pre-Vatican II)? Spare us the conspiracy theories, and other hooh-haah, please. Mormonism is a bit kooky, but really??

    As to the pragmatism thing – Romney is a CEO – type. You guys could do worse. Ask yourselves – all the stuff previous presidents have said they believed in – how much of that literally “came to pass”? And how much was just electoral speak to get the poor sods to vote them into power and a nice pension package?

    View Romney as a technocrat, and Obama as an idealist.

  • Renee

    @ Klasie – Mitt Romney holds the position of High Priest in the Mormon church. He believes its teachings.

  • Renee

    @ Klasie – Mitt Romney holds the position of High Priest in the Mormon church. He believes its teachings.

  • Tom Hering

    “You guys could do worse.”

    Considering the performance record of CEOs these days, I’m not so sure.

  • Tom Hering

    “You guys could do worse.”

    Considering the performance record of CEOs these days, I’m not so sure.

  • Truth Unites… and Divides

    Lutheran Culture Warrior Dr. Gene Veith: “But it looks like Romney is sewing up the nomination. What do you think about that?”

    Bleah. Of the 4 GOP candidates remaining, Santorum is the clear preference. With Romney running, there’s a rather signficant chance of another 4 years of Obama. The liberal meanstream media will rip apart Romney and gloss over Obama.

    Romney is John McCain, part two. If Romney wins, which real conservative will he pick to be his VP? Like when McCain picked Palin.

    But having showed my disdain for Romney, I will hold my nose and vote for him (if he wins the nomination) because he’s not the total disaster that Obama is. Just like when I voted for McCain.

  • Truth Unites… and Divides

    Lutheran Culture Warrior Dr. Gene Veith: “But it looks like Romney is sewing up the nomination. What do you think about that?”

    Bleah. Of the 4 GOP candidates remaining, Santorum is the clear preference. With Romney running, there’s a rather signficant chance of another 4 years of Obama. The liberal meanstream media will rip apart Romney and gloss over Obama.

    Romney is John McCain, part two. If Romney wins, which real conservative will he pick to be his VP? Like when McCain picked Palin.

    But having showed my disdain for Romney, I will hold my nose and vote for him (if he wins the nomination) because he’s not the total disaster that Obama is. Just like when I voted for McCain.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Tom – his record as CEO is not bad. And many companies are doing quite well, considering the economy out there – the number of rogues is not that big. But of course it is the rogues that make the news,

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Tom – his record as CEO is not bad. And many companies are doing quite well, considering the economy out there – the number of rogues is not that big. But of course it is the rogues that make the news,

  • Tom Hering

    “But of course it is the rogues that make the news.”

    And the biggest newsmaker around is always the President. Follow my logic here? :-D

  • Tom Hering

    “But of course it is the rogues that make the news.”

    And the biggest newsmaker around is always the President. Follow my logic here? :-D

  • Steve Billingsley

    The hand wringing over this is pretty interesting to me. All of the candidates have flaws, but Romney is certainly the best financed and organized and it likely will carry him to the nomination. I personally like Santorum the best, but he does suffer from a lack of funding.

    I have no problem with the process continuing for quite some time. In 2008 McCain had clinched for all intents and purposes pretty early (Romney dropped out in early February) and Obama and Clinton fought tooth and nail for months – ending in practically a flat-footed tie in terms of popular vote with Obama doing a better job in caucus states to tip the scale in his favor. Obama wasn’t damaged for the general election as a result of the long primary battle and McCain didn’t gain any kind of advantage from wrapping things up early.

    Newt will keep on going, Santorum will compete hard and has a chance to do well in places like Missouri coming up soon (he actually leads in the polls there right now and Newt isn’t on the ballot) and Ron Paul has very committed supporters and will continue to campaign and gain delegates right up to the convention.

    I do think that Romney has the clear advantage, but let’s see what the process brings.

  • Steve Billingsley

    The hand wringing over this is pretty interesting to me. All of the candidates have flaws, but Romney is certainly the best financed and organized and it likely will carry him to the nomination. I personally like Santorum the best, but he does suffer from a lack of funding.

    I have no problem with the process continuing for quite some time. In 2008 McCain had clinched for all intents and purposes pretty early (Romney dropped out in early February) and Obama and Clinton fought tooth and nail for months – ending in practically a flat-footed tie in terms of popular vote with Obama doing a better job in caucus states to tip the scale in his favor. Obama wasn’t damaged for the general election as a result of the long primary battle and McCain didn’t gain any kind of advantage from wrapping things up early.

    Newt will keep on going, Santorum will compete hard and has a chance to do well in places like Missouri coming up soon (he actually leads in the polls there right now and Newt isn’t on the ballot) and Ron Paul has very committed supporters and will continue to campaign and gain delegates right up to the convention.

    I do think that Romney has the clear advantage, but let’s see what the process brings.

  • DonS

    “But it looks like Romney is sewing up the nomination. What do you think about that?” — It is what it is. We have seen this coming for a long time — the “young guns” who are the future of the Republican party weren’t ready to run this time around. It’s always difficult to challenge a sitting president.

    Romney is a very competent guy, with a good ethic and a good family. I wish he were more conservative, but that is almost always the case in every election. He has the opportunity now to make his case to the electorate, and hopefully he will do that well.

  • DonS

    “But it looks like Romney is sewing up the nomination. What do you think about that?” — It is what it is. We have seen this coming for a long time — the “young guns” who are the future of the Republican party weren’t ready to run this time around. It’s always difficult to challenge a sitting president.

    Romney is a very competent guy, with a good ethic and a good family. I wish he were more conservative, but that is almost always the case in every election. He has the opportunity now to make his case to the electorate, and hopefully he will do that well.

  • Dan

    In Missouri, Gingrich is not on the ballot and in a head-to-head poll, Santorum leads Romney 50-37. I haven’t given up hope that Santorum will get another look the more Newt marginalizes himself.

    I do recognize the likelihood that Romney will be the nominee. I have no clue what his true core is, but I think he will need to govern closer to his current stated position than to his record. That people can’t pin down Romney’s core, I think, is likely to help him in the general election, not hurt him. That same lack of perspicuity helped the current president in his first campaign.

    I think Romney is also more capable of running an effective campaign than people are giving him credit for. He’s been able to adapt strategy and implement it effectively.

    That said, he’s no Rick Santorum. I will support the best candidate as long as he is running, regardless of his apparent odds of winning.

  • Dan

    In Missouri, Gingrich is not on the ballot and in a head-to-head poll, Santorum leads Romney 50-37. I haven’t given up hope that Santorum will get another look the more Newt marginalizes himself.

    I do recognize the likelihood that Romney will be the nominee. I have no clue what his true core is, but I think he will need to govern closer to his current stated position than to his record. That people can’t pin down Romney’s core, I think, is likely to help him in the general election, not hurt him. That same lack of perspicuity helped the current president in his first campaign.

    I think Romney is also more capable of running an effective campaign than people are giving him credit for. He’s been able to adapt strategy and implement it effectively.

    That said, he’s no Rick Santorum. I will support the best candidate as long as he is running, regardless of his apparent odds of winning.

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    I never thought I’d agree so much with what Tom says, and that over and against Klasie!
    If Romney stands for anything, it is quite frankly precisely what Renee says. Though his track record with abortion might indicate otherwise. That is it might indicate he is not as loyal to his church as he likes to portray himself. However, we are dealing with a religion in which the ends justify the means, and it is actually quite a different animal, for all its similarities with the hierarchy of the RC, than the RC is. Which is why I’m much more comfortable voting for Newt, a Roman Catholic, than I am for Romney.
    We can laugh at Newt for his exaggerations and overstatements. But many of the criticisms levelled at Newt, “Egomaniac” out for himself” etc. Are just as true of Romney if not more so.
    Romney sealing the nomination? means I’ll vote for Ron Paul on a third party ticket. I don’t agree with Ron Paul on many things, think his foreign policy would be incredibly disastrous, it has been tried numerous times in the history of the U.S. But at least I could live with his domestic program, and I think he’d have as much success with the foreign policy as Obama has. I will not vote for Romney. I won’t vote for Obama either.

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    I never thought I’d agree so much with what Tom says, and that over and against Klasie!
    If Romney stands for anything, it is quite frankly precisely what Renee says. Though his track record with abortion might indicate otherwise. That is it might indicate he is not as loyal to his church as he likes to portray himself. However, we are dealing with a religion in which the ends justify the means, and it is actually quite a different animal, for all its similarities with the hierarchy of the RC, than the RC is. Which is why I’m much more comfortable voting for Newt, a Roman Catholic, than I am for Romney.
    We can laugh at Newt for his exaggerations and overstatements. But many of the criticisms levelled at Newt, “Egomaniac” out for himself” etc. Are just as true of Romney if not more so.
    Romney sealing the nomination? means I’ll vote for Ron Paul on a third party ticket. I don’t agree with Ron Paul on many things, think his foreign policy would be incredibly disastrous, it has been tried numerous times in the history of the U.S. But at least I could live with his domestic program, and I think he’d have as much success with the foreign policy as Obama has. I will not vote for Romney. I won’t vote for Obama either.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    I guess Bror, that means you won’t vote….

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    I guess Bror, that means you won’t vote….

  • SKPeterson

    I think I’ll petition for Tennessee to be admitted to Canada. We have maples here, so it should be a seamless transition.

  • SKPeterson

    I think I’ll petition for Tennessee to be admitted to Canada. We have maples here, so it should be a seamless transition.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    SKP: Given my fracas with some folks yesterday, you might have to get in line, though. I think Montana is first. You would have to change to CFL rules though…

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    SKP: Given my fracas with some folks yesterday, you might have to get in line, though. I think Montana is first. You would have to change to CFL rules though…

  • Bob

    The Repubs. don’t need Obama to beat them — they’re busy doing it (to) themselves!

    “Long, drawn-out skirmishes over the debt ceiling, the supercommittee and the payroll tax holiday have led to a 64 percent unfavorable rating for Republicans, with their favorable numbers sitting at 29 percent, according to an internal poll conducted by GOP pollster David Winston in the final days of December 2011.”

    To illustrate how precipitous a drop that is, Republicans started off 2011 with a 43 percent favorable rating and 46 percent unfavorable rating.”

    Keep it up, guys! Keep suggesting nothing new for the American people. Wanting the incumbent to fail isn’t enough for most of us.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72183.html#ixzz1l9uSVF53

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72183.html#ixzz1l9uJhSAT

  • Bob

    The Repubs. don’t need Obama to beat them — they’re busy doing it (to) themselves!

    “Long, drawn-out skirmishes over the debt ceiling, the supercommittee and the payroll tax holiday have led to a 64 percent unfavorable rating for Republicans, with their favorable numbers sitting at 29 percent, according to an internal poll conducted by GOP pollster David Winston in the final days of December 2011.”

    To illustrate how precipitous a drop that is, Republicans started off 2011 with a 43 percent favorable rating and 46 percent unfavorable rating.”

    Keep it up, guys! Keep suggesting nothing new for the American people. Wanting the incumbent to fail isn’t enough for most of us.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72183.html#ixzz1l9uSVF53

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72183.html#ixzz1l9uJhSAT

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Obama pretty much has turned me off with his administration’s flagrant disregard for the First Amendment’s protection of religious freedom. Think I’m done considering voting for him.

    I’m far, far, far from convinced, however, that Romney deserves my vote. Odds are I’ll just write-in a vote for the best person, regardless of the status of his campaign. It’s what I did in 2008.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Obama pretty much has turned me off with his administration’s flagrant disregard for the First Amendment’s protection of religious freedom. Think I’m done considering voting for him.

    I’m far, far, far from convinced, however, that Romney deserves my vote. Odds are I’ll just write-in a vote for the best person, regardless of the status of his campaign. It’s what I did in 2008.

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    Klasie,
    I would rather not vote, than vote for either of the two men you think will be on the ballot as primary contenders. In fact my doings will probably be something more along the lines of tODD.

  • http://www.utah-lutheran.blogspot.com Bror Erickson

    Klasie,
    I would rather not vote, than vote for either of the two men you think will be on the ballot as primary contenders. In fact my doings will probably be something more along the lines of tODD.

  • Grace

    It is not to late for Gingrich to win the nomination. There are 207 days before the Republican Convention in Tampa Bay. I believe he can win. There are many other states, that will hold elections before the convention.

    Romney is no better choice than Obama, for all the reasons I’ve stated on this thread, on many occasions.

    The article below, sums up what I have stated and believed long before Obama took office. If he is re-elected, he will have accomplished all that he set out to do.

    HURT: ‘Islamist Firster’ president not what he claimed
    By Charles Hurt

    The Washington Times

    Tuesday, January 31, 2012

    “As for the rest of the world, Mr. Obama promised to devote himself to healing the grave injustices and halting the atrocities that have afflicted the world since the rise of radical, violent jihadism. With his Muslim roots, Mr. Obama was positioned better than any leader on the global stage to speak with authority to radical Islamists and finally bring about permanent peace.

    Instead, Mr. Obama chose to unilaterally alienate perhaps our most strategically important ally in the world and do all he can to cozy up to the very people who are dedicated to destroying not only Israel, but America as well.

    Leading Democrats have been in the news lately sliming Americans who stick up for Israel as being “Israel Firsters.” Well, Mr. Obama has become an “Islamist Firster.”

    Since becoming president, he has not once visited our greatest ally in the region. Rather, he has gone to places like Cairo to tell the Muslim world how much he likes it. He also stunningly trashed the oath of office he took by saying it is “part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

    And, of course, he apologized for the “sexuality” and “mindless violence” from the West permeating the Internet. But Internet porn and creepy videos are little match for virginity tests, stoning women and beheading Jews — all for the fun of it.”

    READ THE REST: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/31/hurt-islamist-firster-president-not-what-he-claime/

  • Grace

    It is not to late for Gingrich to win the nomination. There are 207 days before the Republican Convention in Tampa Bay. I believe he can win. There are many other states, that will hold elections before the convention.

    Romney is no better choice than Obama, for all the reasons I’ve stated on this thread, on many occasions.

    The article below, sums up what I have stated and believed long before Obama took office. If he is re-elected, he will have accomplished all that he set out to do.

    HURT: ‘Islamist Firster’ president not what he claimed
    By Charles Hurt

    The Washington Times

    Tuesday, January 31, 2012

    “As for the rest of the world, Mr. Obama promised to devote himself to healing the grave injustices and halting the atrocities that have afflicted the world since the rise of radical, violent jihadism. With his Muslim roots, Mr. Obama was positioned better than any leader on the global stage to speak with authority to radical Islamists and finally bring about permanent peace.

    Instead, Mr. Obama chose to unilaterally alienate perhaps our most strategically important ally in the world and do all he can to cozy up to the very people who are dedicated to destroying not only Israel, but America as well.

    Leading Democrats have been in the news lately sliming Americans who stick up for Israel as being “Israel Firsters.” Well, Mr. Obama has become an “Islamist Firster.”

    Since becoming president, he has not once visited our greatest ally in the region. Rather, he has gone to places like Cairo to tell the Muslim world how much he likes it. He also stunningly trashed the oath of office he took by saying it is “part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

    And, of course, he apologized for the “sexuality” and “mindless violence” from the West permeating the Internet. But Internet porn and creepy videos are little match for virginity tests, stoning women and beheading Jews — all for the fun of it.”

    READ THE REST: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/31/hurt-islamist-firster-president-not-what-he-claime/

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Well, Obama might have his problem, but Grace certainly has her issues.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Well, Obama might have his problem, but Grace certainly has her issues.

  • Grace

    Kraalogies @ 31

    Is there some way you can stay on higher ground, without making snide remarks? Why not stay on the issue’s rather than making those who post your playground ?

  • Grace

    Kraalogies @ 31

    Is there some way you can stay on higher ground, without making snide remarks? Why not stay on the issue’s rather than making those who post your playground ?

  • Bob

    Grace #32

    My gosh.

    Look in the mirror. Get the speck out first.

  • Bob

    Grace #32

    My gosh.

    Look in the mirror. Get the speck out first.

  • Grace

    SKPeterson @ 5

    “I’m betting the odds are still in Obama’s favor and Romney isn’t the horse to make it across the finish line in the lead. And Obama is a very slow horse.”

    I tend to agree with you SK, — first sentence – the second sentence, no. Obama isn’t slow, his agenda is clear, it’s the worst possible choice this country could be saddled with. The middle east will roar with delight.

  • Grace

    SKPeterson @ 5

    “I’m betting the odds are still in Obama’s favor and Romney isn’t the horse to make it across the finish line in the lead. And Obama is a very slow horse.”

    I tend to agree with you SK, — first sentence – the second sentence, no. Obama isn’t slow, his agenda is clear, it’s the worst possible choice this country could be saddled with. The middle east will roar with delight.

  • Grace

    Bob @ 33

    There is no “gosh” or “mirror” to it!

    I’m not posting here to make personal attacks on anyone. The issues should take precedent, not petty playground fights.

  • Grace

    Bob @ 33

    There is no “gosh” or “mirror” to it!

    I’m not posting here to make personal attacks on anyone. The issues should take precedent, not petty playground fights.

  • Grace

    Renee @ 11 “Most people know little about the Latter-day Saints. They are a people with a plan.”

    Renee @ 12 “We may not believe the plan, but Mitt Romney does.”

    You’re right,.. both statements. You have obviously studied the LDS church and their beliefs.

  • Grace

    Renee @ 11 “Most people know little about the Latter-day Saints. They are a people with a plan.”

    Renee @ 12 “We may not believe the plan, but Mitt Romney does.”

    You’re right,.. both statements. You have obviously studied the LDS church and their beliefs.

  • Grace

    Bror @ 23

    “I will not vote for Romney. I won’t vote for Obama either.”

    I agree, and will do the same.

  • Grace

    Bror @ 23

    “I will not vote for Romney. I won’t vote for Obama either.”

    I agree, and will do the same.

  • Dan

    Grace –

    You need to go read http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/trouble-ahead-for-romney.html

    It is far too late for Gingrich to win the nomination. He has shown in Florida, New Hamshire, and Iowa, where the negative ads were run against him that he cannot survive them. He has done too much to damage himself. He is utterly unelectable. The people who stay on Newt’s bandwagon only make it more likely that Romney is the nominee. Look at the poll numbers above.

    In Missouri Santorum leads Romney 50-37 while Gingrich-Romney is a dead heat. In Ohio Santorum leads 45-38, while Gingrich’s lead is not likely to withstand negative ads at just 42-39.
    A quote from PPP:
    “Two takeaways from those numbers: if this ever came down to Romney, Paul, and just one out of Gingrich and Santorum, Romney would be in a lot of trouble. And he’d be in more trouble if the single conservative alternative ended up being Santorum.
    “Santorum is a stronger long term threat to Romney than Gingrich because he has less baggage and is simply much better liked. “”Santorum is easily the most popular of the Republican candidates in both Missouri (+42 favorability at 63/21, compared to +20 for Gingrich and +10 for Romney) and Ohio (+35 at 59/24 compared to +10 for both Gingrich and Romney). It’s just proving hard for Santorum to get much traction while Gingrich is still in the race.”

    If you don’t want Romney, you need to ditch Gingrich ASAP.

  • Dan

    Grace –

    You need to go read http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/trouble-ahead-for-romney.html

    It is far too late for Gingrich to win the nomination. He has shown in Florida, New Hamshire, and Iowa, where the negative ads were run against him that he cannot survive them. He has done too much to damage himself. He is utterly unelectable. The people who stay on Newt’s bandwagon only make it more likely that Romney is the nominee. Look at the poll numbers above.

    In Missouri Santorum leads Romney 50-37 while Gingrich-Romney is a dead heat. In Ohio Santorum leads 45-38, while Gingrich’s lead is not likely to withstand negative ads at just 42-39.
    A quote from PPP:
    “Two takeaways from those numbers: if this ever came down to Romney, Paul, and just one out of Gingrich and Santorum, Romney would be in a lot of trouble. And he’d be in more trouble if the single conservative alternative ended up being Santorum.
    “Santorum is a stronger long term threat to Romney than Gingrich because he has less baggage and is simply much better liked. “”Santorum is easily the most popular of the Republican candidates in both Missouri (+42 favorability at 63/21, compared to +20 for Gingrich and +10 for Romney) and Ohio (+35 at 59/24 compared to +10 for both Gingrich and Romney). It’s just proving hard for Santorum to get much traction while Gingrich is still in the race.”

    If you don’t want Romney, you need to ditch Gingrich ASAP.

  • Grace

    Dan @ 38

    The LINK you gave to Public Policy Polling isn’t the last word on the election. We still have many more states before this is over.

  • Grace

    Dan @ 38

    The LINK you gave to Public Policy Polling isn’t the last word on the election. We still have many more states before this is over.

  • Dan

    Grace,

    But the reality is that the money will not wait to commit. It’s not really 46 states to go – at most, 16 more states to go.

    As I said weeks ago, there’s no time to go through the same cycle we went with Herman Cain, defending him, then slowly coming to the realization that, wait, this guy really isn’t fit for the office.
    http://www.scriptoriumdaily.com/2012/01/30/the-tattooed-man/

  • Dan

    Grace,

    But the reality is that the money will not wait to commit. It’s not really 46 states to go – at most, 16 more states to go.

    As I said weeks ago, there’s no time to go through the same cycle we went with Herman Cain, defending him, then slowly coming to the realization that, wait, this guy really isn’t fit for the office.
    http://www.scriptoriumdaily.com/2012/01/30/the-tattooed-man/

  • Grace

    Dan @ 40

    “As I said weeks ago, there’s no time to go through the same cycle we went with Herman Cain, defending him, then slowly coming to the realization that, wait, this guy really isn’t fit for the office.”

    Gingrich is “fit for the office” –

    The LINKS you throw up, aren’t not the last word Dan. The last one is mawkish, and childish.

  • Grace

    Dan @ 40

    “As I said weeks ago, there’s no time to go through the same cycle we went with Herman Cain, defending him, then slowly coming to the realization that, wait, this guy really isn’t fit for the office.”

    Gingrich is “fit for the office” –

    The LINKS you throw up, aren’t not the last word Dan. The last one is mawkish, and childish.

  • Dan

    Grace,

    If I understand you right, you’re arguing that Dr. John Mark Reynolds, founder and director of the Torrey Honors Institute at Biola, is being childish for making an astute historical comparison about Speakers of the House running for POTUS. Meanwhile, you argue Newt Gingrich, who wouldn’t even call Romney to congratulate him, isn’t acting like an undisciplined child. Safe to say, then, that you and I have a much different understanding of maturity.

    Kudos for using the word “mawkish” though. It’s a good word and underused.

  • Dan

    Grace,

    If I understand you right, you’re arguing that Dr. John Mark Reynolds, founder and director of the Torrey Honors Institute at Biola, is being childish for making an astute historical comparison about Speakers of the House running for POTUS. Meanwhile, you argue Newt Gingrich, who wouldn’t even call Romney to congratulate him, isn’t acting like an undisciplined child. Safe to say, then, that you and I have a much different understanding of maturity.

    Kudos for using the word “mawkish” though. It’s a good word and underused.

  • SKPeterson

    Grace @ 34 – the slow horse analogy wasn’t so much in reference to Obama’s politics, but to his obvious weakness. He’s a slow horse, so to speak, and any decent Republican should be capable of beating by 10 lengths. I don’t see Romney doing that.

  • SKPeterson

    Grace @ 34 – the slow horse analogy wasn’t so much in reference to Obama’s politics, but to his obvious weakness. He’s a slow horse, so to speak, and any decent Republican should be capable of beating by 10 lengths. I don’t see Romney doing that.

  • Grace

    Dan @ 42

    “If I understand you right, you’re arguing that Dr. John Mark Reynolds, founder and director of the Torrey Honors Institute at Biola, is being childish for making an astute historical comparison about Speakers of the House running for POTUS.”

    John Reynolds is not the last, or the most learned authority nor is anyone else. Just because he is founder of “Torrey Honors” at Biola doesn’t mean he could possible be wrong? Biola, used to be a much different university, it’s changed, therefore it doesn’t hold the prestige, doctrine, or my total respect on all issues, any longer.

    The piece below stands out as one who considers themselves wise, but in essence is promoting a universal ‘get along religiosity’ that is very evident in todays churches. As for universities, many have veered off the the Biblical track, hoping the masses will follow, but alas, there are countless Christians who do not follow.

    The Washington Post
    The Christian case for Mormon values
    By John Mark Reynolds February 9, 2011
    God works in mysterious ways to perform His wonders. Old Testament prophets complained about the instruments God chose, but God went on being God despite their complaints. 2012 is likely to give Americans two serious candidates for president that are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS). Many conservative Christians, for good and bad, get inspiration and information from Glenn Beck, who is also a member of the Church.

    Should Americans be concerned? Bluntly, no, though those of us who are not Mormon should be depressed that such a small group has outworked, out thought, and out hustled us. Mormon success should spur traditional Christians, who outnumber Mormons by tens of millions, to do better.

    Sadly ignorance of the LDS Church is widespread in our culture. Despite over a century of faithful citizenship and embracing family values, stupid stereotypes remain. Magically much of the media easily remembers Glenn Beck is Mormon, but keeps forgetting that Harry Reid is as well. Sacred garments on Christians and Jews are normal, but sacred garments on Mormons?

    Of course, there is a vocal fringe of Americans who think any religious person is nuts. These equal-opportunity offenders can be ignored as invincibly ignorant. They don’t respect Mormons, because they don’t respect Christians, Jews, Muslims, or anybody who thinks we are more than computers made out of meat.”

    Another excerpt ______

    “If this is, as the Washington Post suggests, a Mormon moment, it is because Mormons clung to truths now unfashionable and addressed questions others ignore. They suffered exile in their own land, persecution, and the need to change important ideas to be part of the broader culture. This American experience taught them good lessons about America. Being right is powerful and most LDS are right on many of today’s big issues: the nature of family, the protection of life, defense of religious liberty, and republican values.”

    http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/john_mark_reynolds/2011/02/an_american_trumpet.html

    Dan, you left out Christ. All through the piece above. Reynolds doesn’t mention the LORD either, what he does is castigate other Christians, and elevates the Mormons (LDS) You’re fooling your self, if you believe that Christians do not understand the CORE BELIEFS of the Mormon Church.

  • Grace

    Dan @ 42

    “If I understand you right, you’re arguing that Dr. John Mark Reynolds, founder and director of the Torrey Honors Institute at Biola, is being childish for making an astute historical comparison about Speakers of the House running for POTUS.”

    John Reynolds is not the last, or the most learned authority nor is anyone else. Just because he is founder of “Torrey Honors” at Biola doesn’t mean he could possible be wrong? Biola, used to be a much different university, it’s changed, therefore it doesn’t hold the prestige, doctrine, or my total respect on all issues, any longer.

    The piece below stands out as one who considers themselves wise, but in essence is promoting a universal ‘get along religiosity’ that is very evident in todays churches. As for universities, many have veered off the the Biblical track, hoping the masses will follow, but alas, there are countless Christians who do not follow.

    The Washington Post
    The Christian case for Mormon values
    By John Mark Reynolds February 9, 2011
    God works in mysterious ways to perform His wonders. Old Testament prophets complained about the instruments God chose, but God went on being God despite their complaints. 2012 is likely to give Americans two serious candidates for president that are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS). Many conservative Christians, for good and bad, get inspiration and information from Glenn Beck, who is also a member of the Church.

    Should Americans be concerned? Bluntly, no, though those of us who are not Mormon should be depressed that such a small group has outworked, out thought, and out hustled us. Mormon success should spur traditional Christians, who outnumber Mormons by tens of millions, to do better.

    Sadly ignorance of the LDS Church is widespread in our culture. Despite over a century of faithful citizenship and embracing family values, stupid stereotypes remain. Magically much of the media easily remembers Glenn Beck is Mormon, but keeps forgetting that Harry Reid is as well. Sacred garments on Christians and Jews are normal, but sacred garments on Mormons?

    Of course, there is a vocal fringe of Americans who think any religious person is nuts. These equal-opportunity offenders can be ignored as invincibly ignorant. They don’t respect Mormons, because they don’t respect Christians, Jews, Muslims, or anybody who thinks we are more than computers made out of meat.”

    Another excerpt ______

    “If this is, as the Washington Post suggests, a Mormon moment, it is because Mormons clung to truths now unfashionable and addressed questions others ignore. They suffered exile in their own land, persecution, and the need to change important ideas to be part of the broader culture. This American experience taught them good lessons about America. Being right is powerful and most LDS are right on many of today’s big issues: the nature of family, the protection of life, defense of religious liberty, and republican values.”

    http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/john_mark_reynolds/2011/02/an_american_trumpet.html

    Dan, you left out Christ. All through the piece above. Reynolds doesn’t mention the LORD either, what he does is castigate other Christians, and elevates the Mormons (LDS) You’re fooling your self, if you believe that Christians do not understand the CORE BELIEFS of the Mormon Church.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Grace – yes you have issues. Because the “Obama is a secret Musliom” and all that trash has been refuted so many times, but you hang on to it like any good ol’ conspiracy theorist. Just last week he called Iran’s bluff and let the USS Nimitz, in company with a British and a French warship, sail through the strait of Hormuz. And have you already forgotten the slaying of Bin-Laden? And how he has Hillary working to put and end to the violence in Syria? And how he authorized the raid last week into Somalia?

    If you disagree with him, that’s fine. But do so on real grounds, not fictional ones.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Grace – yes you have issues. Because the “Obama is a secret Musliom” and all that trash has been refuted so many times, but you hang on to it like any good ol’ conspiracy theorist. Just last week he called Iran’s bluff and let the USS Nimitz, in company with a British and a French warship, sail through the strait of Hormuz. And have you already forgotten the slaying of Bin-Laden? And how he has Hillary working to put and end to the violence in Syria? And how he authorized the raid last week into Somalia?

    If you disagree with him, that’s fine. But do so on real grounds, not fictional ones.

  • Cincinnatus

    Obomney 2012!

    I’ll be writing in, thanks.

  • Cincinnatus

    Obomney 2012!

    I’ll be writing in, thanks.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Anyway, I must say with the relative limited amount of power a US president yields over the internal affairs of the country, the amount of passion generated by a presidential election, and even just by the primaries, is quite remarkable, and never ceases to amaze this outsider. The fervour borders on the religious ;)

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Anyway, I must say with the relative limited amount of power a US president yields over the internal affairs of the country, the amount of passion generated by a presidential election, and even just by the primaries, is quite remarkable, and never ceases to amaze this outsider. The fervour borders on the religious ;)

  • Dan

    Grace @44 –

    That I cited Reynolds once, and defended his stature, does not mean I endorsed everything he’s ever written or said. Further, that I cannot abide Gingrich says nothing in favor of Romney. I am trying to show you the only way to beat Romney: supporting Rick Santorum.

    I’m also disappointed that you said, “Dan, you left out Christ.” Maybe you mistyped.

  • Dan

    Grace @44 –

    That I cited Reynolds once, and defended his stature, does not mean I endorsed everything he’s ever written or said. Further, that I cannot abide Gingrich says nothing in favor of Romney. I am trying to show you the only way to beat Romney: supporting Rick Santorum.

    I’m also disappointed that you said, “Dan, you left out Christ.” Maybe you mistyped.

  • Grace

    Dan @48

    “That I cited Reynolds once, and defended his stature, does not mean I endorsed everything he’s ever written or said. Further, that I cannot abide Gingrich says nothing in favor of Romney. I am trying to show you the only way to beat Romney: supporting Rick Santorum. “

    Mentioning Reynolds once, was enough. The man knows little of the LDS Church, if he did understand their unBiblical doctrine, he wouldn’t have written that piece.

    I support Gingrich.

    This which Reynolds wrote, and I cited in post #44

    “Should Americans be concerned? Bluntly, no, though those of us who are not Mormon should be depressed that such a small group has outworked, out thought, and out hustled us. Mormon success should spur traditional Christians, who outnumber Mormons by tens of millions, to do better.”

    The piece of nonsence which Reynolds blithers away above, doesn’t just “suggest” that he has no conception of the Evangelical Church, but that he believes Mormons have arrived at “success” which is FALSE to the core. He gives honor to Mormons, and down-grades Christian Believers.

    It’s obvious you are very impressed with Reynolds, I’m not. As you stated with great pride in post 42.

  • Grace

    Dan @48

    “That I cited Reynolds once, and defended his stature, does not mean I endorsed everything he’s ever written or said. Further, that I cannot abide Gingrich says nothing in favor of Romney. I am trying to show you the only way to beat Romney: supporting Rick Santorum. “

    Mentioning Reynolds once, was enough. The man knows little of the LDS Church, if he did understand their unBiblical doctrine, he wouldn’t have written that piece.

    I support Gingrich.

    This which Reynolds wrote, and I cited in post #44

    “Should Americans be concerned? Bluntly, no, though those of us who are not Mormon should be depressed that such a small group has outworked, out thought, and out hustled us. Mormon success should spur traditional Christians, who outnumber Mormons by tens of millions, to do better.”

    The piece of nonsence which Reynolds blithers away above, doesn’t just “suggest” that he has no conception of the Evangelical Church, but that he believes Mormons have arrived at “success” which is FALSE to the core. He gives honor to Mormons, and down-grades Christian Believers.

    It’s obvious you are very impressed with Reynolds, I’m not. As you stated with great pride in post 42.

  • Grace

    Dan

    The piece you threw up for us to read in post 40:

    The Tattooed Man
    John Mark Reynolds

    Does not serve Reynolds well, and your endorsement of it, as a little combo of words is nonsence.

  • Grace

    Dan

    The piece you threw up for us to read in post 40:

    The Tattooed Man
    John Mark Reynolds

    Does not serve Reynolds well, and your endorsement of it, as a little combo of words is nonsence.

  • Grace

    “nonsense” in post 50 was misspelled. ;)

  • Grace

    “nonsense” in post 50 was misspelled. ;)

  • Grace

    Another Trump moment!

    February 1, 2012, 6:09 PM

    The Wall Street Journal

    Donald Trump: An Endorsement?

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/02/01/donald-trump-an-endorsement/

    OR

    POLITICO
    2/1/12

    Sources: Trump to endorse Newt

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/02/trump-to-endorse-newt-113227.html

  • Grace

    Another Trump moment!

    February 1, 2012, 6:09 PM

    The Wall Street Journal

    Donald Trump: An Endorsement?

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/02/01/donald-trump-an-endorsement/

    OR

    POLITICO
    2/1/12

    Sources: Trump to endorse Newt

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/02/trump-to-endorse-newt-113227.html

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    #52: Poor Newt. Another blow to his campaign…..

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    #52: Poor Newt. Another blow to his campaign…..

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    BTW, for those that don’t like the idea of Mitt’s wealth, it pales in comparison to Washington’s: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/02/would-mitt-romney-be-the-richest-us-president-ever/252402/#slide1

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    BTW, for those that don’t like the idea of Mitt’s wealth, it pales in comparison to Washington’s: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/02/would-mitt-romney-be-the-richest-us-president-ever/252402/#slide1

  • Grace

    What a hoot, Trump stands by the flip flopper and supports the Rompster. Now there are two flippen floppers!! :razz:

  • Grace

    What a hoot, Trump stands by the flip flopper and supports the Rompster. Now there are two flippen floppers!! :razz:

  • Grace

    Newt has a heart for immigrants. I don’t believe he would have ever allowed someone to take away a mothers children, because she’s illegal and send her home across the border – and then adopt the children out to others who are legal.

    Here is but one story, the other is of a mother, who at the time had just given birth 3 months earlier to a baby boy. She was arrested, deported, and her little one was adopted out. This happened 5 years ago. She is now in the U.S. living not to far from where her son lives with his adoptive parents. She is trying, through the court system to regain custody, but is not allowed to see her son.

    ABC NEWS

    Stolen Babies? Immigrant Mother Loses Four Kids
    By LAUREN GILGER, CHARLES GORRA, and BRIAN ROSS (@brianross)

    Feb. 2, 2012

    The scars of childbirth were still healing on Amelia Reyes Jimenez’s stomach in 2008 when police came to her Phoenix apartment and took her three-month-old daughter from her arms.

    Three and a half years later, Reyes Jimenez and her four children have become statistics in the U.S. crackdown on illegal immigration. Each year thousands of children of undocumented immigrants, like Amelia’s kids, wind up in foster care when their parents are arrested for immigration violations. Some are even adopted by U.S. citizens while their parents are held in federal detention centers or deported back to their native countries.

    Reyes Jimenez’s son and three daughters are now living in foster care in Phoenix, and are awaiting possible adoption. Reyes Jimenez is back in Mexico, her parental rights terminated by an Arizona judge, and she cries when she remembers the raid that began it all.

    “My daughters were calling, ‘Mommy, my Mommy,’” said Reyes Jimenez. “I felt destroyed. I felt like I would never see my girls, even worse [the baby] was so small. I had just bought her cradle and her stroller.”

    A new study by the human rights group Applied Research Center estimates that as of summer 2011 there were at least 5,100 children of detained immigrants in foster care in 22 states.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/stolen-babies-mother-loses-kids/story?id=15491886

    This will be on ABC NIGHTLINE tonight

    Newt Gingrich would fight this practice of taking “babies” from their mothers, keeping the children and sending the parent/parents back home.

    Gingrich, Romney Tangle on Immigration in Florida Debate

    Jan 26, 2012
    JACKSONVILLE, Florida (CNN) — Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich sparred Thursday with Mitt Romney over immigration policies as tempers flared in the CNN/ Republican Party of Florida debate in Jacksonville.

    Gingrich charged Romney’s immigration policy would result in the deportation of grandmothers who are in the country illegally. Romney has advocated for “self-deportation,” a policy that involves making economic conditions so difficult for undocumented workers that they choose to leave the country to find better opportunities.

    The former House speaker said Romney was the most anti-immigrant candidate on the debate stage, which prompted outrage from Romney.

    “I’m not going to go find grandmothers and take them out of them homes and deport them,” Romney said, accusing Gingrich of using “highly-charged epithets” irresponsibly. “Our problem is not 11 million grandmothers.”

    http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Gingrich_Romney_Tangle_on_Immigration_in_Florida_Debate_138177619.html

  • Grace

    Newt has a heart for immigrants. I don’t believe he would have ever allowed someone to take away a mothers children, because she’s illegal and send her home across the border – and then adopt the children out to others who are legal.

    Here is but one story, the other is of a mother, who at the time had just given birth 3 months earlier to a baby boy. She was arrested, deported, and her little one was adopted out. This happened 5 years ago. She is now in the U.S. living not to far from where her son lives with his adoptive parents. She is trying, through the court system to regain custody, but is not allowed to see her son.

    ABC NEWS

    Stolen Babies? Immigrant Mother Loses Four Kids
    By LAUREN GILGER, CHARLES GORRA, and BRIAN ROSS (@brianross)

    Feb. 2, 2012

    The scars of childbirth were still healing on Amelia Reyes Jimenez’s stomach in 2008 when police came to her Phoenix apartment and took her three-month-old daughter from her arms.

    Three and a half years later, Reyes Jimenez and her four children have become statistics in the U.S. crackdown on illegal immigration. Each year thousands of children of undocumented immigrants, like Amelia’s kids, wind up in foster care when their parents are arrested for immigration violations. Some are even adopted by U.S. citizens while their parents are held in federal detention centers or deported back to their native countries.

    Reyes Jimenez’s son and three daughters are now living in foster care in Phoenix, and are awaiting possible adoption. Reyes Jimenez is back in Mexico, her parental rights terminated by an Arizona judge, and she cries when she remembers the raid that began it all.

    “My daughters were calling, ‘Mommy, my Mommy,’” said Reyes Jimenez. “I felt destroyed. I felt like I would never see my girls, even worse [the baby] was so small. I had just bought her cradle and her stroller.”

    A new study by the human rights group Applied Research Center estimates that as of summer 2011 there were at least 5,100 children of detained immigrants in foster care in 22 states.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/stolen-babies-mother-loses-kids/story?id=15491886

    This will be on ABC NIGHTLINE tonight

    Newt Gingrich would fight this practice of taking “babies” from their mothers, keeping the children and sending the parent/parents back home.

    Gingrich, Romney Tangle on Immigration in Florida Debate

    Jan 26, 2012
    JACKSONVILLE, Florida (CNN) — Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich sparred Thursday with Mitt Romney over immigration policies as tempers flared in the CNN/ Republican Party of Florida debate in Jacksonville.

    Gingrich charged Romney’s immigration policy would result in the deportation of grandmothers who are in the country illegally. Romney has advocated for “self-deportation,” a policy that involves making economic conditions so difficult for undocumented workers that they choose to leave the country to find better opportunities.

    The former House speaker said Romney was the most anti-immigrant candidate on the debate stage, which prompted outrage from Romney.

    “I’m not going to go find grandmothers and take them out of them homes and deport them,” Romney said, accusing Gingrich of using “highly-charged epithets” irresponsibly. “Our problem is not 11 million grandmothers.”

    http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Gingrich_Romney_Tangle_on_Immigration_in_Florida_Debate_138177619.html


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