The Jimmy Carter Study Bible

Zondervan has published a study Bible based on former president Jimmy Carter’s Sunday school notes:   :

Jimmy Carter, peanut farmer turned president turned globe-trotting humanitarian, now has another line to add to his business card: Bible commentator. Last week Carter published a Lessons from Life Study Bible, with the subtitle Personal Reflections with Jimmy Carter.

With many Democrats embracing the language of faith in recent years in an attempt to win back so-called values voters from the Republican column, Carter’s intense faith life is a good reminder that hardly all Democrats are new to the pew.

Since he returned to Plains, Georgia, from Washington after losing his re-election bid to Ronald Reagan in 1980, Carter has taught Sunday school at the local Maranatha Baptist Church, “about 685 times so far,” he says.

His notes in the new study Bible pull from years of Sunday school lessons. “Like the disciples, we should not be proud, seek an ascendant position or argue about who’s the greatest among us,” he notes in reflecting on a passage from the Gospel of Mark in which Jesus’ followers are debating who among them is the greatest. . . .

Christian publishing house Zondervan compiled the study Bible, which combines Carter’s teachings and notes with the New International Bible Study Bible.

via Jimmy Carter Publishes Study Bible, Discusses Faith-Filled Life – National News Story – WCVB Boston.

Here is the editorial description at Amazon:

The NIV Lessons from Life Bible takes Mr. Carter’s years of teaching Sunday school lessons at Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains, GA, and meshes them with the text of the NIV Bible. Through ‘In Focus’ articles, ‘Bible in Life’ notes, in-depth studies and insightful observations and reflections, President Carter’s teachings in this Bible provide fresh insights for you to study and contemplate. Features: * The full text of the clear, accessible NIV translation * Foreword by Jonathan Reckford, International CEO of Habitat for Humanity * Bible in Life notes: short, application-oriented notes on particular verses * In Focus Articles: longer articles on particular topics * Short prayers of application on select passages * Reflections: brief one-sentence sayings and quotations by Jimmy Carter * Presentation page

Why?  Who would buy this?  Is there reason to think that the former president has any special knowledge about Scripture?  I also would not buy a Ronald Reagan Study Bible.  To look to a politician as our expositor of Scripture gives me major cognitive dissonance.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • http://abitibibob.hubpages.com/ Bob Hunter

    I wonder what his notes say about homosexuality. He’s quoted as saying “Homosexuality was well known in the ancient world, well before Christ was born and Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. In all of his teachings about multiple things -– he never said that gay people should be condemned. I personally think it is very fine for gay people to be married in civil ceremonies. I draw the line, maybe arbitrarily, in requiring by law that churches must marry people. I’m a Baptist, and I believe that each congregation is autonomous and can govern its own affairs. So if a local Baptist church wants to accept gay members on an equal basis, which my church does by the way, then that is fine. If a church decides not to, then government laws shouldn’t require them to.”
    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-19/politics/31209404_1_homosexuality-new-international-version-christian-church

  • http://abitibibob.hubpages.com/ Bob Hunter

    I wonder what his notes say about homosexuality. He’s quoted as saying “Homosexuality was well known in the ancient world, well before Christ was born and Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. In all of his teachings about multiple things -– he never said that gay people should be condemned. I personally think it is very fine for gay people to be married in civil ceremonies. I draw the line, maybe arbitrarily, in requiring by law that churches must marry people. I’m a Baptist, and I believe that each congregation is autonomous and can govern its own affairs. So if a local Baptist church wants to accept gay members on an equal basis, which my church does by the way, then that is fine. If a church decides not to, then government laws shouldn’t require them to.”
    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-19/politics/31209404_1_homosexuality-new-international-version-christian-church

  • Tom Hering

    “Is there reason to think that the former president has any special knowledge about Scripture?”

    No. Which is why I eagerly await the release of the Rick Santorum Study Bible. :-D

  • Tom Hering

    “Is there reason to think that the former president has any special knowledge about Scripture?”

    No. Which is why I eagerly await the release of the Rick Santorum Study Bible. :-D

  • mikeb

    Perfect–another politician taking on a task they are totally unqualified to do… Well, let’s at least remember to put the best construction on this. With that in mind, maybe I’ll buy one for my aunt in hopes she’ll throw out her Joyce Meyer ‘name it and claim it’ study bible.

  • mikeb

    Perfect–another politician taking on a task they are totally unqualified to do… Well, let’s at least remember to put the best construction on this. With that in mind, maybe I’ll buy one for my aunt in hopes she’ll throw out her Joyce Meyer ‘name it and claim it’ study bible.

  • Good News

    How about the “American Patriot’s” study Bible? Archaeological? Apologetics? Life Application? Women’s? Men’s? Teen? Children’s? Lucado Life’s Lesson’s? While I see value in a scholarly study Bible, I find it to be just another mark of the American culture influencing the idealistic individualism that the American culture preaches when we offer so many variations. Can these various study Bibles offer insight and depth in the Christian’s life? Yes. Can it create confusion? Yes. Does it create disunity? Yes. Does it create unity? Yes.

  • Good News

    How about the “American Patriot’s” study Bible? Archaeological? Apologetics? Life Application? Women’s? Men’s? Teen? Children’s? Lucado Life’s Lesson’s? While I see value in a scholarly study Bible, I find it to be just another mark of the American culture influencing the idealistic individualism that the American culture preaches when we offer so many variations. Can these various study Bibles offer insight and depth in the Christian’s life? Yes. Can it create confusion? Yes. Does it create disunity? Yes. Does it create unity? Yes.

  • Tom Hering

    “Why? Who would buy this?” – Dr. Veith.

    From the article:

    … Maranatha Baptist Church, which now has around 30 members. When Carter teaches Sunday school there today, attendance can grow to 800 — passing the population total for the tiny town of Plains, home to 650 residents.

    Busloads of tourists regularly pull into the parking lot for a chance to hear the former leader of the free world teach from Scripture. At times, visitors spill into an overflow room with a television monitor, subject to security sweeps by the Secret Service, Carter said.

    The church’s answering machine recording begins with the times Carter will be teaching and suggests visitors arrive early, noting the doors open at 8:30 a.m. and that there are no reservations.

    Carter’s presence on Sundays is a one-man economic engine for the tiny town. “It really is a huge impact,” said Ruth Sanders, director of the Plains Better Homes Committee, a local tourism office.

    She said the seven-room Plains Historic Inn is booked months in advance and that its country diner is jammed.

  • Tom Hering

    “Why? Who would buy this?” – Dr. Veith.

    From the article:

    … Maranatha Baptist Church, which now has around 30 members. When Carter teaches Sunday school there today, attendance can grow to 800 — passing the population total for the tiny town of Plains, home to 650 residents.

    Busloads of tourists regularly pull into the parking lot for a chance to hear the former leader of the free world teach from Scripture. At times, visitors spill into an overflow room with a television monitor, subject to security sweeps by the Secret Service, Carter said.

    The church’s answering machine recording begins with the times Carter will be teaching and suggests visitors arrive early, noting the doors open at 8:30 a.m. and that there are no reservations.

    Carter’s presence on Sundays is a one-man economic engine for the tiny town. “It really is a huge impact,” said Ruth Sanders, director of the Plains Better Homes Committee, a local tourism office.

    She said the seven-room Plains Historic Inn is booked months in advance and that its country diner is jammed.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “No. Which is why I eagerly await the release of the Rick Santorum Study Bible.”

    LOL

    Never happen. That would be anti catholic and anti Catholic!

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “No. Which is why I eagerly await the release of the Rick Santorum Study Bible.”

    LOL

    Never happen. That would be anti catholic and anti Catholic!

  • http://enterthevein.wordpress.com J. Dean

    “There’s a sucker born every minute.” -P.T. Barnum

  • http://enterthevein.wordpress.com J. Dean

    “There’s a sucker born every minute.” -P.T. Barnum

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    @1

    I draw the line, maybe arbitrarily, in requiring by law that churches must marry people.

    Great, so you agree with the First Amendment.

    I’m a Baptist, and I believe that each congregation is autonomous and can govern its own affairs. So if a local Baptist church wants to accept gay members on an equal basis, which my church does by the way, then that is fine.

    Unfortunately, you suffer from Pilate’s problem. “What is truth?” John 18:38

    If a church decides not to, then government laws shouldn’t require them to.

    But hey, thanks for not pushing it on all of us, at least for now.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    @1

    I draw the line, maybe arbitrarily, in requiring by law that churches must marry people.

    Great, so you agree with the First Amendment.

    I’m a Baptist, and I believe that each congregation is autonomous and can govern its own affairs. So if a local Baptist church wants to accept gay members on an equal basis, which my church does by the way, then that is fine.

    Unfortunately, you suffer from Pilate’s problem. “What is truth?” John 18:38

    If a church decides not to, then government laws shouldn’t require them to.

    But hey, thanks for not pushing it on all of us, at least for now.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    Hey Bob, how far would you go in campaigning for the rights of churches not to be forced to perform ceremonies for gays? Would you right blog posts defending those churches? Just asking how strong your conviction is on this point. Would you sit silently? First they came for the churches that I don’t attend…

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    Hey Bob, how far would you go in campaigning for the rights of churches not to be forced to perform ceremonies for gays? Would you right blog posts defending those churches? Just asking how strong your conviction is on this point. Would you sit silently? First they came for the churches that I don’t attend…

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    LOL,

    I mean,

    Would you write blog posts…

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    LOL,

    I mean,

    Would you write blog posts…

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    Anything to make a buck. :( I wonder if Zondervan qualifies anymore as credible publishing house.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    Anything to make a buck. :( I wonder if Zondervan qualifies anymore as credible publishing house.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    > The full text of the clear, accessible NIV translation..

    NIV-2011, probably. That, and Jimmy Carter’s comments make it
    sound like the perfect Bible for for Pelagians of the “Social Justice” variety.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    > The full text of the clear, accessible NIV translation..

    NIV-2011, probably. That, and Jimmy Carter’s comments make it
    sound like the perfect Bible for for Pelagians of the “Social Justice” variety.

  • http://fivepintlutheran2.wordpress.com/ David Cochrane

    Lord have mercy! He had not the foggiest notion how to be president. Now we are to think he can look into the hidden things of God?

    Zondervan is a wonderful publishing house, herr Doktor, if one is a neobapticostalevangelifishmaxizoomedweebie.

  • http://fivepintlutheran2.wordpress.com/ David Cochrane

    Lord have mercy! He had not the foggiest notion how to be president. Now we are to think he can look into the hidden things of God?

    Zondervan is a wonderful publishing house, herr Doktor, if one is a neobapticostalevangelifishmaxizoomedweebie.

  • Tom Hering

    Doc 21 @ 11.

    As a credible publishing house? Yes. They’re quite successful.

    Do you mean they lack discernment in the publishing of books aimed at Christians? Maybe. But as they’re not a ministry connected to a particular denomination, why shouldn’t the content of their publications reflect a wide variety of Christian views – including questionable views?

    I mean, they put out The Late Great Planet Earth in the ’70s, and sold 30 million copies. You expect solid stuff from them now? :-D

  • Tom Hering

    Doc 21 @ 11.

    As a credible publishing house? Yes. They’re quite successful.

    Do you mean they lack discernment in the publishing of books aimed at Christians? Maybe. But as they’re not a ministry connected to a particular denomination, why shouldn’t the content of their publications reflect a wide variety of Christian views – including questionable views?

    I mean, they put out The Late Great Planet Earth in the ’70s, and sold 30 million copies. You expect solid stuff from them now? :-D

  • rlewer

    Why is Zondervan still called a “Christian publishing house?” Wasn’t it sold to a secular company long ago? Isn’t it Zondervan that rewrote the Bible with the new revised NIV?

    Publishing materials to be sold to Christians does not make it a “Christian” publishing house.

  • rlewer

    Why is Zondervan still called a “Christian publishing house?” Wasn’t it sold to a secular company long ago? Isn’t it Zondervan that rewrote the Bible with the new revised NIV?

    Publishing materials to be sold to Christians does not make it a “Christian” publishing house.

  • rlewer

    By the way, churches do not have to marry anybody. Doing weddings is a thing some churches choose to do.

  • rlewer

    By the way, churches do not have to marry anybody. Doing weddings is a thing some churches choose to do.

  • Bob

    “No. Which is why I eagerly await the release of the Rick Santorum Study Bible.”

    Hey, no one expects the Pennsylvania Inquisition!
    :)

  • Bob

    “No. Which is why I eagerly await the release of the Rick Santorum Study Bible.”

    Hey, no one expects the Pennsylvania Inquisition!
    :)

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    @14 Tom, I had forgotten they published The Late Great Planet Earth. Granted, I never had the highest view of Zondervan before today’s news. But, it has sunk another notch. And people wonder why I never go to “Christian” bookstores.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    @14 Tom, I had forgotten they published The Late Great Planet Earth. Granted, I never had the highest view of Zondervan before today’s news. But, it has sunk another notch. And people wonder why I never go to “Christian” bookstores.

  • Bob

    ‘I also would not buy a Ronald Reagan Study Bible. ‘

    No, that’s because there would be nothing for Ronald Reagan to say. To my knowledge, he wasn’t a student of the Bible, nor did he teach a Sunday School class for years and years.

    However, maybe Zondervan will come out with a Nancy Reagan Astrological study Bible.

  • Bob

    ‘I also would not buy a Ronald Reagan Study Bible. ‘

    No, that’s because there would be nothing for Ronald Reagan to say. To my knowledge, he wasn’t a student of the Bible, nor did he teach a Sunday School class for years and years.

    However, maybe Zondervan will come out with a Nancy Reagan Astrological study Bible.

  • Bob

    rlewer,

    Zondervan is owned by Harper Collins, a subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/zondervan.says.rupert.murdoch.connection.does.not.present.ethical.dilemma/28315.htm

  • Bob

    rlewer,

    Zondervan is owned by Harper Collins, a subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/zondervan.says.rupert.murdoch.connection.does.not.present.ethical.dilemma/28315.htm

  • Tom Hering

    Doc 21 @ 18, my opinion of Zondervan hit rock bottom when they published the NASB Strong’s concordance as the “The Strongest” NASB Exhaustive Concordance. Gag me.

  • Tom Hering

    Doc 21 @ 18, my opinion of Zondervan hit rock bottom when they published the NASB Strong’s concordance as the “The Strongest” NASB Exhaustive Concordance. Gag me.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Veith asked:

    Is there reason to think that the former president has any special knowledge about Scripture?

    No offense, but is there reason to think that the provost and literature professor at a private Christian college has any special knowledge about Scripture, either? I mean, I happen to think you have some keen insights, but I don’t think they’re necessarily endemic to your career arc. Nor do I think it’s fair to point out that your various commentaries haven’t been formed into a study bible, per se. That’s just a question of formatting.

    And now, less seriously…

    I also would not buy a Ronald Reagan Study Bible.

    Yeah, I regret purchasing mine. I’d estimate about 30% of the notes boil down to “Here God teaches us about the need to lower taxes.” And I was fairly baffled by the only footnote on Romans 13: “Government is the problem.”

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Veith asked:

    Is there reason to think that the former president has any special knowledge about Scripture?

    No offense, but is there reason to think that the provost and literature professor at a private Christian college has any special knowledge about Scripture, either? I mean, I happen to think you have some keen insights, but I don’t think they’re necessarily endemic to your career arc. Nor do I think it’s fair to point out that your various commentaries haven’t been formed into a study bible, per se. That’s just a question of formatting.

    And now, less seriously…

    I also would not buy a Ronald Reagan Study Bible.

    Yeah, I regret purchasing mine. I’d estimate about 30% of the notes boil down to “Here God teaches us about the need to lower taxes.” And I was fairly baffled by the only footnote on Romans 13: “Government is the problem.”

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Myself, I’m still waiting on the Chicken Soup for your Purpose-Driven Best Life Now Bible. It inverts the typical “study Bible” format and puts the Scripture down in the footnotes, in tiny print, which makes the commentary easier to read.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Myself, I’m still waiting on the Chicken Soup for your Purpose-Driven Best Life Now Bible. It inverts the typical “study Bible” format and puts the Scripture down in the footnotes, in tiny print, which makes the commentary easier to read.

  • rlewer

    Bob,

    Exactly! Neither News Corp or Harper Collins are specifically Christian. Why do we still call Zondervan a “Christian” publisher?

  • rlewer

    Bob,

    Exactly! Neither News Corp or Harper Collins are specifically Christian. Why do we still call Zondervan a “Christian” publisher?

  • Bob

    tODD,
    :)

    I don’t know why it should give anyone cognitive dissonance to think a former President who’s a student of the Bible might also have some worthwhile things to say about what’s in that Bible. Is it only pastors who can understand God’s Word? Last time I checked, it was a certain Reformer who was big on making God’s Word available and understandable to all.

    Has anyone noticed all the pap that the “Christian” publishing houses put out these days? Not all, but enough of them. Just because someone is a “pastor” doesn’t give them special insights, either. Not necessarily. Read some of the baloney by “pastors” that’s been published.

    Or is the dissonance connected to President Carter’s moderate political worldview?

  • Bob

    tODD,
    :)

    I don’t know why it should give anyone cognitive dissonance to think a former President who’s a student of the Bible might also have some worthwhile things to say about what’s in that Bible. Is it only pastors who can understand God’s Word? Last time I checked, it was a certain Reformer who was big on making God’s Word available and understandable to all.

    Has anyone noticed all the pap that the “Christian” publishing houses put out these days? Not all, but enough of them. Just because someone is a “pastor” doesn’t give them special insights, either. Not necessarily. Read some of the baloney by “pastors” that’s been published.

    Or is the dissonance connected to President Carter’s moderate political worldview?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Rlewer asked (@15):

    Isn’t it Zondervan that rewrote the Bible with the new revised NIV?

    [Eyeroll] That’s a pretty lousy way to critique a translation, don’t you think?

    And then later said (@24):

    Neither News Corp or Harper Collins are specifically Christian.

    And how does a corporation become “specifically Christian”?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Rlewer asked (@15):

    Isn’t it Zondervan that rewrote the Bible with the new revised NIV?

    [Eyeroll] That’s a pretty lousy way to critique a translation, don’t you think?

    And then later said (@24):

    Neither News Corp or Harper Collins are specifically Christian.

    And how does a corporation become “specifically Christian”?

  • rlewer

    The “certain Reformer” had his earned doctorate in Scripture and was a pastor and professor of theology. Learned people can speak plainly.

    And those who are not pastors may say valuable things about God and His Word. I am not sure whether Carter would draw crowds because of his great insights into Scripture or because he once was the President of the U.S. We haven’t really heard much about what he actually teaches in those classes.

  • rlewer

    The “certain Reformer” had his earned doctorate in Scripture and was a pastor and professor of theology. Learned people can speak plainly.

    And those who are not pastors may say valuable things about God and His Word. I am not sure whether Carter would draw crowds because of his great insights into Scripture or because he once was the President of the U.S. We haven’t really heard much about what he actually teaches in those classes.

  • John

    Thomas Nelson is also owned by Harper Collins. Are they no longer a Christian publisher? Rupert now owns the NKJV.

  • John

    Thomas Nelson is also owned by Harper Collins. Are they no longer a Christian publisher? Rupert now owns the NKJV.

  • rlewer

    Todd,

    1. Try reading the “new” NIV and see what they did.

    2. One would expect that to be called a “Christian” publishing company, the publishers would at least claim to be Christian. Zondervan is a secular corporation that publishes materials that they aim to sell to Christians.

  • rlewer

    Todd,

    1. Try reading the “new” NIV and see what they did.

    2. One would expect that to be called a “Christian” publishing company, the publishers would at least claim to be Christian. Zondervan is a secular corporation that publishes materials that they aim to sell to Christians.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com bike bubba

    For an example of untrained people who gained moderate skill in theology, read a couple of books by “Peter,” “John,” and so on. “Paul” is another person who overcame his mis-training in theology to write some good stuff.

    OK, seriously, I’m pretty sure that whatever Carter writes will tend to be illuminated more by liberal ideology than by Scripture, if his public statements are any indication. It’s also worth noting that if his church gets 20x more attendance when he teaches than otherwise, he’s not teaching the Scripture for a very simple reason.

    If you’re teaching the Scripture, you will tend to make disciples who will carry on when you are not there. If attendance swells as some state, he’s not making disciples, hence not teaching Scripture in any meaningful way.

    And, for reference, count me very skeptical about study Bibles with someone’s name attached to it. It would seem to elevate a man to a status he cannot attain, or to attempt to lower Another’s status below His rightful place.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com bike bubba

    For an example of untrained people who gained moderate skill in theology, read a couple of books by “Peter,” “John,” and so on. “Paul” is another person who overcame his mis-training in theology to write some good stuff.

    OK, seriously, I’m pretty sure that whatever Carter writes will tend to be illuminated more by liberal ideology than by Scripture, if his public statements are any indication. It’s also worth noting that if his church gets 20x more attendance when he teaches than otherwise, he’s not teaching the Scripture for a very simple reason.

    If you’re teaching the Scripture, you will tend to make disciples who will carry on when you are not there. If attendance swells as some state, he’s not making disciples, hence not teaching Scripture in any meaningful way.

    And, for reference, count me very skeptical about study Bibles with someone’s name attached to it. It would seem to elevate a man to a status he cannot attain, or to attempt to lower Another’s status below His rightful place.

  • Bob

    Well, Mr. Know-It-All

    I mean, Bike Bubba.

    Thanks for sharing YOUR take.

  • Bob

    Well, Mr. Know-It-All

    I mean, Bike Bubba.

    Thanks for sharing YOUR take.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Bubba said (@30):

    It’s also worth noting that if his church gets 20x more attendance when he teaches than otherwise, he’s not teaching the Scripture for a very simple reason.

    Oh good. I was looking for some simplistic number-based way of telling if someone was teaching the truth of Scripture or not. The old way of actually comparing what they taught with what God’s Word said was just so tedious!

    If you’re teaching the Scripture, you will tend to make disciples who will carry on when you are not there.

    Right. So when Jesus’ disciples all abandoned him at the cross and then locked themselves in a room while he wasn’t around, that clearly tells us, according to your rule here, that …

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Bubba said (@30):

    It’s also worth noting that if his church gets 20x more attendance when he teaches than otherwise, he’s not teaching the Scripture for a very simple reason.

    Oh good. I was looking for some simplistic number-based way of telling if someone was teaching the truth of Scripture or not. The old way of actually comparing what they taught with what God’s Word said was just so tedious!

    If you’re teaching the Scripture, you will tend to make disciples who will carry on when you are not there.

    Right. So when Jesus’ disciples all abandoned him at the cross and then locked themselves in a room while he wasn’t around, that clearly tells us, according to your rule here, that …

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  • Joe

    Well – if he is qualified because he teaches Sunday School – I’d like to invite you all to read my wife’s new study bible – ought later this fall!

  • Joe

    Well – if he is qualified because he teaches Sunday School – I’d like to invite you all to read my wife’s new study bible – ought later this fall!

  • Bob

    ToDD,

    #32.

    Great post.

  • Bob

    ToDD,

    #32.

    Great post.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Joe (@33) — purely from a marketing perspective, you understand — I have to say that “The Jimmy Carter Study Bible” sounds more compelling than “Joe’s Wife’s Study Bible”. What I’m saying is, her copy really needs to be snappy.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Joe (@33) — purely from a marketing perspective, you understand — I have to say that “The Jimmy Carter Study Bible” sounds more compelling than “Joe’s Wife’s Study Bible”. What I’m saying is, her copy really needs to be snappy.

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  • Michael B.

    @Todd@23
    “Myself, I’m still waiting on the Chicken Soup for your Purpose-Driven Best Life Now Bible. It inverts the typical “study Bible” format and puts the Scripture down in the footnotes, in tiny print, which makes the commentary easier to read..”

    Read the John MacArthur Study Bible if you want to see some generous use of foot notes.

  • Michael B.

    @Todd@23
    “Myself, I’m still waiting on the Chicken Soup for your Purpose-Driven Best Life Now Bible. It inverts the typical “study Bible” format and puts the Scripture down in the footnotes, in tiny print, which makes the commentary easier to read..”

    Read the John MacArthur Study Bible if you want to see some generous use of foot notes.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    @ 28

    the NASB Strong’s concordance as the “The Strongest” NASB Exhaustive Concordance

    ugh, that is so cheesy.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    @ 28

    the NASB Strong’s concordance as the “The Strongest” NASB Exhaustive Concordance

    ugh, that is so cheesy.

  • Bob

    MB,

    I was a MacArthurie for awhile. I did buy his Study Bible.

    Ai-yi-yi.

    Those notes…what a labyrinth!

  • Bob

    MB,

    I was a MacArthurie for awhile. I did buy his Study Bible.

    Ai-yi-yi.

    Those notes…what a labyrinth!

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com bike bubba

    Bob: ?

    tODD; nice straw man. Now, remind me what happened in Acts 2 and afterwards. Remind me what happened to the church as early leaders were martyred by Rome. Over time, faithful preaching creates disciples who will, per 1 John’s warnings about those who leave, stay with the church. A few weeks of flight in times of distress? Sure. 32 years of teaching (50? 60?) without making disciples?

    That indicates that Mr. Carter really needs to consider that he might do well to read some study Bible notes, not write them. And Zondervan really needs to consider whether this is about adding to the spiritual conversation, or whether it’s just about the money that Carter groupies will pay for this.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com bike bubba

    Bob: ?

    tODD; nice straw man. Now, remind me what happened in Acts 2 and afterwards. Remind me what happened to the church as early leaders were martyred by Rome. Over time, faithful preaching creates disciples who will, per 1 John’s warnings about those who leave, stay with the church. A few weeks of flight in times of distress? Sure. 32 years of teaching (50? 60?) without making disciples?

    That indicates that Mr. Carter really needs to consider that he might do well to read some study Bible notes, not write them. And Zondervan really needs to consider whether this is about adding to the spiritual conversation, or whether it’s just about the money that Carter groupies will pay for this.

  • Bob

    Carter groupies.

    Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

    That’s rich.

  • Bob

    Carter groupies.

    Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

    That’s rich.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Bubba said (@39):

    Now, remind me what happened in Acts 2 and afterwards. …

    Oh, I see. Now you want to qualify your bizarre claim (@30) with hitherto unmentioned timelines (a falling-away of disciples over only a period of days apparently doesn’t count)? Have at it.
    In fact, why not nail down your rubric for me: after what time period, exactly, should a teacher expect to see disciples carrying on in his absence? And how many disciples should he see? Oh, and while you’re at it, maybe you can find time to create a precise rubric for what constitutes a “disciple”? Because, you know, I need an accurate tool that’ll tell me if a teaching is scriptural or not.

    Or maybe we could call your rubric what it is: foolhardy church-growth thinking that ignores the actual teaching of Scripture in favor of man-made rules.

    Again, is there some reason you seem to not want to judge a man’s teaching by actually comparing it to Scripture? If you’re doing that, what additional value does your proposed rubric offer us?

    It is not hard to think of examples from Scripture of men who rightly taught Scripture and yet didn’t exactly have a great following — even for years at a time.

    And it appears that you haven’t even considered that the mercurial attendance at Jimmy Carter’s church might have something to say about the crowd itself, and not necessarily Carter’s teaching.

    Here’s a reality check for you, though. What teaching of Carter’s, exactly, is unscriptural? By which I mean to refer specifically: what teaching of his in his Sunday School, or in this new “study Bible”?

    You don’t know, do you? Because you’re basing your whole argument on what little you know about the man, and that is largely political. Go ahead, prove me wrong. But prove me wrong in the way I have specifically asked you. Because if you can do that, you’ll at least have bothered to read about what you’re talking about. Which I consider a win for all involved.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Bubba said (@39):

    Now, remind me what happened in Acts 2 and afterwards. …

    Oh, I see. Now you want to qualify your bizarre claim (@30) with hitherto unmentioned timelines (a falling-away of disciples over only a period of days apparently doesn’t count)? Have at it.
    In fact, why not nail down your rubric for me: after what time period, exactly, should a teacher expect to see disciples carrying on in his absence? And how many disciples should he see? Oh, and while you’re at it, maybe you can find time to create a precise rubric for what constitutes a “disciple”? Because, you know, I need an accurate tool that’ll tell me if a teaching is scriptural or not.

    Or maybe we could call your rubric what it is: foolhardy church-growth thinking that ignores the actual teaching of Scripture in favor of man-made rules.

    Again, is there some reason you seem to not want to judge a man’s teaching by actually comparing it to Scripture? If you’re doing that, what additional value does your proposed rubric offer us?

    It is not hard to think of examples from Scripture of men who rightly taught Scripture and yet didn’t exactly have a great following — even for years at a time.

    And it appears that you haven’t even considered that the mercurial attendance at Jimmy Carter’s church might have something to say about the crowd itself, and not necessarily Carter’s teaching.

    Here’s a reality check for you, though. What teaching of Carter’s, exactly, is unscriptural? By which I mean to refer specifically: what teaching of his in his Sunday School, or in this new “study Bible”?

    You don’t know, do you? Because you’re basing your whole argument on what little you know about the man, and that is largely political. Go ahead, prove me wrong. But prove me wrong in the way I have specifically asked you. Because if you can do that, you’ll at least have bothered to read about what you’re talking about. Which I consider a win for all involved.

  • Joe

    tODD @ 35 – WHat’s wrong with “Joe’s Wife’s Study Bible”? Between here and face book I have to have a following of at least a dozen people who might care that I have a wife who knows from the Bible. :)

  • Joe

    tODD @ 35 – WHat’s wrong with “Joe’s Wife’s Study Bible”? Between here and face book I have to have a following of at least a dozen people who might care that I have a wife who knows from the Bible. :)

  • kerner

    tODD @22:
    I also would not buy a Ronald Reagan Study Bible.

    Yeah, I regret purchasing mine. I’d estimate about 30% of the notes boil down to “Here God teaches us about the need to lower taxes.” And I was fairly baffled by the only footnote on Romans 13: “Government is the problem.”

    Well, that’s because you didn’t read the cross reference to I Samuel 8:10-18 :D

  • kerner

    tODD @22:
    I also would not buy a Ronald Reagan Study Bible.

    Yeah, I regret purchasing mine. I’d estimate about 30% of the notes boil down to “Here God teaches us about the need to lower taxes.” And I was fairly baffled by the only footnote on Romans 13: “Government is the problem.”

    Well, that’s because you didn’t read the cross reference to I Samuel 8:10-18 :D

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