Was Mitt Romney a high school bully?

The Washington Post has a big story of the sort that opposition researchers love, an event from the past that can discredit a candidate with voters.  Reportedly, when Mitt Romney was in high school, he and some friends jumped a guy with long hair–someone who was also teased as being gay–and cut his hair.

Romney does not remember the incident, but has apologized anyway.  Meanwhile, some bloggers are questioning the story, noting at least one big contradiction in the account.

First of all, is this a legitimate story, or is it biased gotcha journalism with a political purpose?

Second, is it fair to use a person’s childhood or adolescent behavior to discredit him as an adult?

Third, does this incident disclose a character flaw that should disqualify a person from public office?

Fourth, do you think this report could harm Romney’s squeaky-clean image, to the point of making voters–who often care more for image than for issues–think that he’s mean and so refuse to vote for him?

Finally, is this story a portent that  journalism, political discourse, and our democratic republic are all doomed?

 

via Mitt Romney’s prep school classmates recall pranks, but also troubling incidents – The Washington Post.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Michael B.

    “First of all, is this a legitimate story”.

    The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. And most importantly, Mitt Romney himself doesn’t deny it. Imagine if you were accused of the same thing. Would you not deny it? I’ll ask the question in another way: Is there a single person on this forum who could imagine themselves doing such a thing?

  • Michael B.

    “First of all, is this a legitimate story”.

    The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. And most importantly, Mitt Romney himself doesn’t deny it. Imagine if you were accused of the same thing. Would you not deny it? I’ll ask the question in another way: Is there a single person on this forum who could imagine themselves doing such a thing?

  • Tom Hering

    Are you asking Carl?

  • Tom Hering

    Are you asking Carl?

  • formerly just steve

    “Second, is it fair to use a person’s childhood or adolescent behavior to discredit him as an adult?”

    On the contrary. If Romney’s detractors have to reach all the way back to prep school to dig up dirt, he must have a pretty clean record.

  • formerly just steve

    “Second, is it fair to use a person’s childhood or adolescent behavior to discredit him as an adult?”

    On the contrary. If Romney’s detractors have to reach all the way back to prep school to dig up dirt, he must have a pretty clean record.

  • Susan

    A couple of problems have cropped up with the story and it looks like the veracity of the story has yet to be determined.

    First, the WaPo originally reported that Stu White had “long been bothered” by the incident, but White told ABC News he was not aware of it until this year when he was contacted by the Washington Post. The WaPo has now changed sections of the story and failed to append a note about the alteration of the story, in an apparent violation of the the WaPo’s corrections policy. The new WaPo version remains at odds with White telling ABC he had not heard of the incident until he was contacted by the WaPo.

    Second, it appears that the Lauber family is not happy with the WaPo story. Although the Lauber family did not refutethe haircut story, they say the portrayal of John is “factually incorrect.” The family adds: “We are aggrieved that John would be used to further a political agenda.” “If he were still alive today, he would be furious [about the story],” she [Christine Lauber] said with tears in her eyes. Christine Lauber told ABC News she and her sisters will likely put out a statement later via a family attorney.

  • Susan

    A couple of problems have cropped up with the story and it looks like the veracity of the story has yet to be determined.

    First, the WaPo originally reported that Stu White had “long been bothered” by the incident, but White told ABC News he was not aware of it until this year when he was contacted by the Washington Post. The WaPo has now changed sections of the story and failed to append a note about the alteration of the story, in an apparent violation of the the WaPo’s corrections policy. The new WaPo version remains at odds with White telling ABC he had not heard of the incident until he was contacted by the WaPo.

    Second, it appears that the Lauber family is not happy with the WaPo story. Although the Lauber family did not refutethe haircut story, they say the portrayal of John is “factually incorrect.” The family adds: “We are aggrieved that John would be used to further a political agenda.” “If he were still alive today, he would be furious [about the story],” she [Christine Lauber] said with tears in her eyes. Christine Lauber told ABC News she and her sisters will likely put out a statement later via a family attorney.

  • Jimmy Veith

    Let me suggest another point for discussion:

    Fifth, do you believe Romney was telling the truth when he said that he does not remember the incident?

    Even if you think there should be a statute of limitations on what one did while in high school, what he said yesterday is relevant.

  • Jimmy Veith

    Let me suggest another point for discussion:

    Fifth, do you believe Romney was telling the truth when he said that he does not remember the incident?

    Even if you think there should be a statute of limitations on what one did while in high school, what he said yesterday is relevant.

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  • Tom Hering

    If Romney’s detractors have to reach all the way back to prep school to dig up dirt, he must have a pretty clean record.

    It could have been worse. They could have gone all the way back to his birth (certificate). :-D

  • Tom Hering

    If Romney’s detractors have to reach all the way back to prep school to dig up dirt, he must have a pretty clean record.

    It could have been worse. They could have gone all the way back to his birth (certificate). :-D

  • Carl Vehse

    It seems, from this Newsbuster’s article, “Washington Post Makes Correction to Romney Hit Piece Without Notifying Readers,” that the Washington Compost has revised its story in a yet to be achieved attempt to agree with other versions being told.

    In the meantime, I’ll look for the Compost stories about Mitt’s high school “choom” and cocaine use, his getting into college on a foreign student scholarship, and his composite (or was it inflatable?) girlfriend… oh, wait, that wasn’t Mitt.

  • Carl Vehse

    It seems, from this Newsbuster’s article, “Washington Post Makes Correction to Romney Hit Piece Without Notifying Readers,” that the Washington Compost has revised its story in a yet to be achieved attempt to agree with other versions being told.

    In the meantime, I’ll look for the Compost stories about Mitt’s high school “choom” and cocaine use, his getting into college on a foreign student scholarship, and his composite (or was it inflatable?) girlfriend… oh, wait, that wasn’t Mitt.

  • Tom Hering

    I don’t know of a single news source that doesn’t continually edit and update its online stories. More often than not, without noting any changes made. Must be a slow day for the folks at Newsbusters.

  • Tom Hering

    I don’t know of a single news source that doesn’t continually edit and update its online stories. More often than not, without noting any changes made. Must be a slow day for the folks at Newsbusters.

  • Jon

    This hit job about gay bullying comes out the next morning after Obama announces support for gay marriage.

    What a coinkidink!

  • Jon

    This hit job about gay bullying comes out the next morning after Obama announces support for gay marriage.

    What a coinkidink!

  • rlewer

    It is clearly deliberate selective editing when you take out the middle of a sentence in order to change its meaning. This was not an accident.

    Even the parents of the student say the story was wrong.

    The Obama media is getting desperate.

  • rlewer

    It is clearly deliberate selective editing when you take out the middle of a sentence in order to change its meaning. This was not an accident.

    Even the parents of the student say the story was wrong.

    The Obama media is getting desperate.

  • SKPeterson

    Most newspapers will provide update timelines at the end of an article to reflect changes to on-line articles. This is generally the case with developing stories – fleeing murderers, fires, police chases, etc.

    If an investigative article published in the regular paper is being changed after publication – then that warrants special notification to readers as many of the papers I read out here in the hustings do. Especially if alterations to the story could substantially alter the meaning of an article. If WaPo does continually alter stories without comment, what does that say about their journalistic and/or editorial standards? It makes them entirely suspect.

  • SKPeterson

    Most newspapers will provide update timelines at the end of an article to reflect changes to on-line articles. This is generally the case with developing stories – fleeing murderers, fires, police chases, etc.

    If an investigative article published in the regular paper is being changed after publication – then that warrants special notification to readers as many of the papers I read out here in the hustings do. Especially if alterations to the story could substantially alter the meaning of an article. If WaPo does continually alter stories without comment, what does that say about their journalistic and/or editorial standards? It makes them entirely suspect.

  • Joe

    Jimmy — I do think there should be a SOL on stupid high school age actions.

    But I do have a hard time believing that he did not remember the incident. Unfortunately, I would have to admit that I engaged in some bullying acts in high school and I remember them (as things I’m not proud of).

  • Joe

    Jimmy — I do think there should be a SOL on stupid high school age actions.

    But I do have a hard time believing that he did not remember the incident. Unfortunately, I would have to admit that I engaged in some bullying acts in high school and I remember them (as things I’m not proud of).

  • Carl Vehse

    SKPeterson (@12) gets the “Knee-slapping Hilarious Oxymoron of the Day Award” for his question which combines “Wapo” and “journalistic and/or editorial standards” in one sentence.

  • Carl Vehse

    SKPeterson (@12) gets the “Knee-slapping Hilarious Oxymoron of the Day Award” for his question which combines “Wapo” and “journalistic and/or editorial standards” in one sentence.

  • Jon

    Yes, I believe Mitt truthfully did not recall the incident. He is a good Mormon. And he apologized anyway.

  • Jon

    Yes, I believe Mitt truthfully did not recall the incident. He is a good Mormon. And he apologized anyway.

  • rlewer

    In an interview with ABC News, the student’s sister said her brother would be furious about the reporting. The family may even be thinking about suing the Post for its false statements about him.

    It could be hard to remember incidents when the press gets through messing with them.

  • rlewer

    In an interview with ABC News, the student’s sister said her brother would be furious about the reporting. The family may even be thinking about suing the Post for its false statements about him.

    It could be hard to remember incidents when the press gets through messing with them.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com bike bubba

    Tom, regarding the correction without notification, notification of adjustment to articles appears prominently on the WaPo’s ethics sheet. So yes, issue there.

    And I’m sure that there are some dumb things I did in high school that I don’t remember, and yes, there should be some statute of limitations unless a clear felony was committed.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com bike bubba

    Tom, regarding the correction without notification, notification of adjustment to articles appears prominently on the WaPo’s ethics sheet. So yes, issue there.

    And I’m sure that there are some dumb things I did in high school that I don’t remember, and yes, there should be some statute of limitations unless a clear felony was committed.

  • formerly just steve

    Tom, #7, I’m not a birther apologist but these things aren’t in the same category. To my knowledge, there’s no law requiring a presidential candidate NOT be a mean SOB in high school.

  • formerly just steve

    Tom, #7, I’m not a birther apologist but these things aren’t in the same category. To my knowledge, there’s no law requiring a presidential candidate NOT be a mean SOB in high school.

  • DonS

    Susan @ 4 is correct. One reason why Mitt might not recall the incident is because it didn’t happen, at least as it is described. Lauber’s family doesn’t recall it — don’t you think his sister would have recalled him coming home with his long blond hair hacked up? One of the asserted witnesses, White, turns out not to have known about it until the Post contacted him. The Post, in its sneaky, unannounced “corrections”, has still gotten that wrong. Basically, what they have succeeded in doing is dragging poor deceased Mr. Lauber’s name through the mud, for obviously partisan political purposes. Nice job.

    Why did Mitt apologize, instead of loudly proclaiming his innocence? I think there are several reasons. First, we are talking about 47 years ago. Our memories are fallible. Second, I’m sure there are things he did in high school that he’s not proud of — and that applies to almost all of them. Third, he didn’t want to extend the life of such a stupid partisan story in the media by deigning to dispute its veracity on the facts. The best political strategy when it comes to unfair media hit pieces is to let your surrogates do your fighting for you, and don’t get in the mud with your detractors.

    You would think that at least some journalists in the MSM, recognizing that some 75% of the public believes them to be liberal, would try to do things to prove their objectivity. But, they don’t. They are getting worse, and certainly more distinctly partisan. In his biography, Obama admitted to engaging in bullying activity of his own, and he also admitted to drug use and other unsavory activities. Have we seen this kind of story on him in the Post? If so, I can’t recall it.

  • DonS

    Susan @ 4 is correct. One reason why Mitt might not recall the incident is because it didn’t happen, at least as it is described. Lauber’s family doesn’t recall it — don’t you think his sister would have recalled him coming home with his long blond hair hacked up? One of the asserted witnesses, White, turns out not to have known about it until the Post contacted him. The Post, in its sneaky, unannounced “corrections”, has still gotten that wrong. Basically, what they have succeeded in doing is dragging poor deceased Mr. Lauber’s name through the mud, for obviously partisan political purposes. Nice job.

    Why did Mitt apologize, instead of loudly proclaiming his innocence? I think there are several reasons. First, we are talking about 47 years ago. Our memories are fallible. Second, I’m sure there are things he did in high school that he’s not proud of — and that applies to almost all of them. Third, he didn’t want to extend the life of such a stupid partisan story in the media by deigning to dispute its veracity on the facts. The best political strategy when it comes to unfair media hit pieces is to let your surrogates do your fighting for you, and don’t get in the mud with your detractors.

    You would think that at least some journalists in the MSM, recognizing that some 75% of the public believes them to be liberal, would try to do things to prove their objectivity. But, they don’t. They are getting worse, and certainly more distinctly partisan. In his biography, Obama admitted to engaging in bullying activity of his own, and he also admitted to drug use and other unsavory activities. Have we seen this kind of story on him in the Post? If so, I can’t recall it.

  • DonS

    @ 19, “and that applies to almost all of them.” should be “and that applies to almost all of us”.

  • DonS

    @ 19, “and that applies to almost all of them.” should be “and that applies to almost all of us”.

  • formerly just steve

    Jon, #10, the entire scene was orchestrated. From Biden’s supposed gaffe, to the President’s “reluctant” confirmation, to the hit piece trying to make Romney look like the latest media bogeyman: the dreaded schoolyard bully!

  • formerly just steve

    Jon, #10, the entire scene was orchestrated. From Biden’s supposed gaffe, to the President’s “reluctant” confirmation, to the hit piece trying to make Romney look like the latest media bogeyman: the dreaded schoolyard bully!

  • DonS

    For the sake of balance:

    http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1206_mitt_romney/

    Note that this June 2012 magazine article also discusses Romney’s Cranbrook years, quotes the same Mr. Maxwell who was so offended by the Lauber incident in the Post article, but he takes quite a different tack, saying that he is very smart and principled and, though Maxwell says he’s a Democrat, and won’t vote for him, he thinks Romney would make a “pretty good President”:

    …Romney’s schoolmates — even those who resented his bankruptcy stance and disagree with his politics — remember him fondly and praise his character. “I’m a Democrat, so I won’t vote for him,” says Maxwell. “But he’d probably make a pretty good president. He’s very smart, very principled.”
    With his powerful father, “He could have been an arrogant, stuck-up, snotty little brat,” says Dearth. “But he was a great guy — an all-American kid with a great sense of humor, very self-effacing.” And although it’s been documented that Romney played a teenage prank or two — including once impersonating a police officer in order to scare some female friends — Dearth remembers Mitt as the most straitlaced kid in the neighborhood.
    “Those of us who tested the boundaries in high school still marvel at the self-discipline he displayed,” Dearth continues. “With a father who was then governor, Mitt knew where the line was and never crossed it. I think it was a sign of his deep respect for his dad and the way he was brought up. I often tell people he has more personal integrity than anyone I know. And I was raised a Unitarian.”

    Hmmm.

  • DonS

    For the sake of balance:

    http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1206_mitt_romney/

    Note that this June 2012 magazine article also discusses Romney’s Cranbrook years, quotes the same Mr. Maxwell who was so offended by the Lauber incident in the Post article, but he takes quite a different tack, saying that he is very smart and principled and, though Maxwell says he’s a Democrat, and won’t vote for him, he thinks Romney would make a “pretty good President”:

    …Romney’s schoolmates — even those who resented his bankruptcy stance and disagree with his politics — remember him fondly and praise his character. “I’m a Democrat, so I won’t vote for him,” says Maxwell. “But he’d probably make a pretty good president. He’s very smart, very principled.”
    With his powerful father, “He could have been an arrogant, stuck-up, snotty little brat,” says Dearth. “But he was a great guy — an all-American kid with a great sense of humor, very self-effacing.” And although it’s been documented that Romney played a teenage prank or two — including once impersonating a police officer in order to scare some female friends — Dearth remembers Mitt as the most straitlaced kid in the neighborhood.
    “Those of us who tested the boundaries in high school still marvel at the self-discipline he displayed,” Dearth continues. “With a father who was then governor, Mitt knew where the line was and never crossed it. I think it was a sign of his deep respect for his dad and the way he was brought up. I often tell people he has more personal integrity than anyone I know. And I was raised a Unitarian.”

    Hmmm.

  • Carl Vehse

    formerly just steve (@20),

    Don’t forget the orchestration of George Clooney’s $40K per plate Hollyweird fundraiser, and fifth-column ABC’s Robin “I get chills” Robert’s fawning interview with Barry (not quite dropping to her journalist knees like former Time magazine reporter Nina Burleigh offered to do for Slick Willie).

  • Carl Vehse

    formerly just steve (@20),

    Don’t forget the orchestration of George Clooney’s $40K per plate Hollyweird fundraiser, and fifth-column ABC’s Robin “I get chills” Robert’s fawning interview with Barry (not quite dropping to her journalist knees like former Time magazine reporter Nina Burleigh offered to do for Slick Willie).

  • Grace

    IF it really happened? – I believe they all remember. They might have a slightly different running video in their mind, but they do remember such an incident.

    Individuals, who ever they are, don’t like to be reminded of what they did as young adults, when it reflects upon their upbringing and family life, which was supposed to have been of the best kind.

    The incident, if that’s what one wants to call it, was dreadful, being done by a group of men to another young man.

    The head “bullies” in any group within a school of any grade, including prep, or university are most likely to be the “leaders” in other areas. They lead the pack, and often become sucessful in their given fields. Not all successful people were bullies as young people – I want to make that clear.

    I don’t know what this says about Romney, it was a long time ago. Saying your sorry and not remembering such an event is suspect in my mind.

    Read again, what Jimmy Veith posted @ 5. The points are all relevant to what kind of person Romney really is.

  • Grace

    IF it really happened? – I believe they all remember. They might have a slightly different running video in their mind, but they do remember such an incident.

    Individuals, who ever they are, don’t like to be reminded of what they did as young adults, when it reflects upon their upbringing and family life, which was supposed to have been of the best kind.

    The incident, if that’s what one wants to call it, was dreadful, being done by a group of men to another young man.

    The head “bullies” in any group within a school of any grade, including prep, or university are most likely to be the “leaders” in other areas. They lead the pack, and often become sucessful in their given fields. Not all successful people were bullies as young people – I want to make that clear.

    I don’t know what this says about Romney, it was a long time ago. Saying your sorry and not remembering such an event is suspect in my mind.

    Read again, what Jimmy Veith posted @ 5. The points are all relevant to what kind of person Romney really is.

  • Jon

    @Grace
    Yes, he’s a good Mormon by all accounts.

  • Jon

    @Grace
    Yes, he’s a good Mormon by all accounts.

  • Carl Vehse

    From a Breitbart article, “Washington Post Romney ‘Bullying’ Profile Contradicted By… Automobile Magazine“:

    “The Washington Post‘s controversial exposé on the young Mitt Romney just became more controversial. Presented as an investigative journalism piece, Jason Horowitz’s article contrasts sharply with a similar “flashback” article on Romney recently published in the June 2012 print edition of Automobile Magazine by author David Murray. Both articles chronicle anecdotal events in Romney’s teen years as told by classmates and friends. But while both quote some of the same people, the Washington Post article contains several inexplicable inconsistencies, omissions and false inferences.”

  • Carl Vehse

    From a Breitbart article, “Washington Post Romney ‘Bullying’ Profile Contradicted By… Automobile Magazine“:

    “The Washington Post‘s controversial exposé on the young Mitt Romney just became more controversial. Presented as an investigative journalism piece, Jason Horowitz’s article contrasts sharply with a similar “flashback” article on Romney recently published in the June 2012 print edition of Automobile Magazine by author David Murray. Both articles chronicle anecdotal events in Romney’s teen years as told by classmates and friends. But while both quote some of the same people, the Washington Post article contains several inexplicable inconsistencies, omissions and false inferences.”

  • rlewer

    Will the Post use the usual, “The facts may be wrong but the story is true.”?

    That is still what NBC still claims in its phony story about Bush.

  • rlewer

    Will the Post use the usual, “The facts may be wrong but the story is true.”?

    That is still what NBC still claims in its phony story about Bush.

  • Jonathan

    Joe Klein has the best take:

    http://swampland.time.com/2012/05/11/bully-pulpit-second-thoughts/?iid=sl-category-arenapage#ixzz1uaNYoFKU%20

    Money quote:

    “I’m still waiting for the moment when Romney actually tells the truth about something difficult. He could have said, ‘You know, I’ve been troubled by the Cranbrook episode for most of my life, and I feel relieved, in a way, that it’s come out now. I did a really stupid and terrible thing. Teenage boys sometimes do such things and deserve to be punished for them. What I most regret is that I never apologized to John and won’t be able to now that he’s gone, but let me apologize to his family and friends. Bullying is unacceptable under any circumstances. It is especially unacceptable when prejudice — against one’s race, ethnicity or sexual orientation — is involved. If elected President, I will try to atone for my teenage behavior by campaigning against bullying all across this country. What I did back then should be an example of how not to behave. I hope we can all learn from this. I know I have.’ Instead, Romney has a near perfect record of cowardice, obfuscation and downright lies. It shows enormous disrespect for the intelligence of the public.”

  • Jonathan

    Joe Klein has the best take:

    http://swampland.time.com/2012/05/11/bully-pulpit-second-thoughts/?iid=sl-category-arenapage#ixzz1uaNYoFKU%20

    Money quote:

    “I’m still waiting for the moment when Romney actually tells the truth about something difficult. He could have said, ‘You know, I’ve been troubled by the Cranbrook episode for most of my life, and I feel relieved, in a way, that it’s come out now. I did a really stupid and terrible thing. Teenage boys sometimes do such things and deserve to be punished for them. What I most regret is that I never apologized to John and won’t be able to now that he’s gone, but let me apologize to his family and friends. Bullying is unacceptable under any circumstances. It is especially unacceptable when prejudice — against one’s race, ethnicity or sexual orientation — is involved. If elected President, I will try to atone for my teenage behavior by campaigning against bullying all across this country. What I did back then should be an example of how not to behave. I hope we can all learn from this. I know I have.’ Instead, Romney has a near perfect record of cowardice, obfuscation and downright lies. It shows enormous disrespect for the intelligence of the public.”

  • Jon

    So, he’s not a good Mormon, is that what you’re saying?

  • Jon

    So, he’s not a good Mormon, is that what you’re saying?

  • Carl Vehse

    rlewer @27, And don’t forget Dan “fake, but accurate” Rather.

    And now that Romney issued an apology, one media clymer has asked,
    “Do you think Governor Romney actually owes a bigger apology or needs to say something more about this or is ‘I don’t remember and if I did something bad, I’m sorry’ enough?”

  • Carl Vehse

    rlewer @27, And don’t forget Dan “fake, but accurate” Rather.

    And now that Romney issued an apology, one media clymer has asked,
    “Do you think Governor Romney actually owes a bigger apology or needs to say something more about this or is ‘I don’t remember and if I did something bad, I’m sorry’ enough?”

  • Grace

    Jon,

    How would you define a “good Mormon” ?

  • Grace

    Jon,

    How would you define a “good Mormon” ?

  • Carl Vehse

    “Instead, Romney has a near perfect record of cowardice, obfuscation and downright lies.”

    Then we should see an interesting campaign between Romney and a person who has had a perfect record of cowardice, obfuscation and downright lies.

  • Carl Vehse

    “Instead, Romney has a near perfect record of cowardice, obfuscation and downright lies.”

    Then we should see an interesting campaign between Romney and a person who has had a perfect record of cowardice, obfuscation and downright lies.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “Is there a single person on this forum who could imagine themselves doing such a thing?”

    I did worse.

    I am not giving the details.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “Is there a single person on this forum who could imagine themselves doing such a thing?”

    I did worse.

    I am not giving the details.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    Was Mitt ____________ in high school? in college?

    Was Obama __________ in high school? in college?

    Where is the National Enquirer?

    Enquiring minds want to know irrelevant trivia and BS sensationalized as much as possible, please.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    Was Mitt ____________ in high school? in college?

    Was Obama __________ in high school? in college?

    Where is the National Enquirer?

    Enquiring minds want to know irrelevant trivia and BS sensationalized as much as possible, please.

  • Jon

    Grace,

    Good Mormons don’t lie.

  • Jon

    Grace,

    Good Mormons don’t lie.

  • Carl Vehse

    Maybe the Compost should be investigating the behavior of “The Washington Post Co.’s Self-Destructive Course” before the Compost is, in the article’s phrase, “stuffed and mounted in Rupert Murdoch’s man cave.”

  • Carl Vehse

    Maybe the Compost should be investigating the behavior of “The Washington Post Co.’s Self-Destructive Course” before the Compost is, in the article’s phrase, “stuffed and mounted in Rupert Murdoch’s man cave.”

  • Grace

    Jon @ 35

    Really, they don’t lie? :lol:

  • Grace

    Jon @ 35

    Really, they don’t lie? :lol:

  • formerly just steve

    Jonathan, #28, Klein’s money quote is small change. It assumes the details, as reported, are true.

  • formerly just steve

    Jonathan, #28, Klein’s money quote is small change. It assumes the details, as reported, are true.

  • Michael B.

    The mentality one finds on this forum really emulates junior high school. You have your bullies, former bullies, and those that either tolerate them or cheer them on. Many here fall in the last 3 camps, not because of some moral conviction that bullying is wrong, but rather because of the high penalties for such behavior once one leaves high school. Imagine an adult who goes into the workplace and chases down a co-worker, cuts off his hair while he is screaming and crying. Not only is the person fired (expelled), he can expect to appear before a judge and go to jail. It’s not like the environment in high school and on this forum, where every excuse for the perpetrator is made (“He’s just young”, “That’s just how high school is”, “It’s no different than Obama’s drinking, smoking, and drug use!”.), and people even identify with the perpetrator. No wonder you have the kids in high school committing suicide when they are told that these are supposed to be the best years of the life., Fortunately there are steps to stop this such as the “It Get’s Better” campaign.

  • Michael B.

    The mentality one finds on this forum really emulates junior high school. You have your bullies, former bullies, and those that either tolerate them or cheer them on. Many here fall in the last 3 camps, not because of some moral conviction that bullying is wrong, but rather because of the high penalties for such behavior once one leaves high school. Imagine an adult who goes into the workplace and chases down a co-worker, cuts off his hair while he is screaming and crying. Not only is the person fired (expelled), he can expect to appear before a judge and go to jail. It’s not like the environment in high school and on this forum, where every excuse for the perpetrator is made (“He’s just young”, “That’s just how high school is”, “It’s no different than Obama’s drinking, smoking, and drug use!”.), and people even identify with the perpetrator. No wonder you have the kids in high school committing suicide when they are told that these are supposed to be the best years of the life., Fortunately there are steps to stop this such as the “It Get’s Better” campaign.

  • rlewer

    No one said that bullying was good. Why are you making that up?

    You should be a Post reporter. Facts do not matter – only the prearranged narration matters.

    The family already said the story was wrong.

  • rlewer

    No one said that bullying was good. Why are you making that up?

    You should be a Post reporter. Facts do not matter – only the prearranged narration matters.

    The family already said the story was wrong.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “You have your bullies,”

    LOL, Michael B, speaking for yourself, with all your shaming language trying to cow people with endless ad hominem attacks.

    Too dang funny.

    As for kids getting bullied for real, how about some responsibility on the part of adults by enforcing rules.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    “You have your bullies,”

    LOL, Michael B, speaking for yourself, with all your shaming language trying to cow people with endless ad hominem attacks.

    Too dang funny.

    As for kids getting bullied for real, how about some responsibility on the part of adults by enforcing rules.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    Imagine an adult who goes into the workplace and chases down a co-worker, cuts off his hair while he is screaming and crying. Not only is the person fired (expelled), he can expect to appear before a judge and go to jail.

    The problem with our punishment/vengeance justice system is that no restitution is made to the victim. It isn’t restorative to victim nor perpetrator. It exacerbates alienation and division.

  • http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Contemporary-English-Version-CEV-Bible/ sg

    Imagine an adult who goes into the workplace and chases down a co-worker, cuts off his hair while he is screaming and crying. Not only is the person fired (expelled), he can expect to appear before a judge and go to jail.

    The problem with our punishment/vengeance justice system is that no restitution is made to the victim. It isn’t restorative to victim nor perpetrator. It exacerbates alienation and division.

  • formerly just steve

    Sister of Alleged Romney Target Has ‘No Knowledge’ of Any Bullying Incident

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/sister-of-alleged-romney-target-has-no-knowledge-of-any-bullying-incident/#.T6yUKQh3n2E.twitter

    Yes the meme continues. People will talk about the “incident” as though it were true as reported or continue to talk about Romney as a bully. There is a bully candidate this season but it’s not Romney.

  • formerly just steve

    Sister of Alleged Romney Target Has ‘No Knowledge’ of Any Bullying Incident

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/sister-of-alleged-romney-target-has-no-knowledge-of-any-bullying-incident/#.T6yUKQh3n2E.twitter

    Yes the meme continues. People will talk about the “incident” as though it were true as reported or continue to talk about Romney as a bully. There is a bully candidate this season but it’s not Romney.

  • Grace

    formerly just steve @ 34

    I can see where you cannot comprehend this happening to a student, however – kids who are bullied almost NEVER TELL, and the reason for this is, the bully tactics will be much worse, second time around, that’s why SILENCE from the abused is a GIVEN.

    Be careful how you starch your criticism on this, or any other report of those who are bullied.

    ANOTHER POINT: read the article over, the siblings were not aware, they were away at college, … therefore no knowlege of what happened.

  • Grace

    formerly just steve @ 34

    I can see where you cannot comprehend this happening to a student, however – kids who are bullied almost NEVER TELL, and the reason for this is, the bully tactics will be much worse, second time around, that’s why SILENCE from the abused is a GIVEN.

    Be careful how you starch your criticism on this, or any other report of those who are bullied.

    ANOTHER POINT: read the article over, the siblings were not aware, they were away at college, … therefore no knowlege of what happened.

  • formerly just steve

    Grace,

    On the contrary, I can absolutely see how this could happen. I just don’t necessarily believe this happened the way the Washington Post reported it. I don’t think anyone knows (including the Post) except those who were involved. Yet it doesn’t stop people from talking about the story as though it were completely true.

  • formerly just steve

    Grace,

    On the contrary, I can absolutely see how this could happen. I just don’t necessarily believe this happened the way the Washington Post reported it. I don’t think anyone knows (including the Post) except those who were involved. Yet it doesn’t stop people from talking about the story as though it were completely true.

  • Michael B.

    @formerly just steve@43

    What part of the story are you denying to be true? The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. If you read the article, you find that the sister herself doesn’t specifically deny any part of the story, and says that her and the her brother “were doing different things at the time”, and that he probably wouldn’t have said anything about it anyway. What’s more, not even Romney denies it. Why do you deny it?

  • Michael B.

    @formerly just steve@43

    What part of the story are you denying to be true? The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. If you read the article, you find that the sister herself doesn’t specifically deny any part of the story, and says that her and the her brother “were doing different things at the time”, and that he probably wouldn’t have said anything about it anyway. What’s more, not even Romney denies it. Why do you deny it?

  • formerly just steve

    Michael, I don’t deny any part of the story. Indeed, I don’t know enough about it to accept or deny any of it. All we know is the Washington Post said it happened, but the sister didn’t know about it and one of the “eyewitnesses” named by the Post wasn’t actually there and didn’t know about it until the story came out. What else didn’t happen exactly like the story stated?

  • formerly just steve

    Michael, I don’t deny any part of the story. Indeed, I don’t know enough about it to accept or deny any of it. All we know is the Washington Post said it happened, but the sister didn’t know about it and one of the “eyewitnesses” named by the Post wasn’t actually there and didn’t know about it until the story came out. What else didn’t happen exactly like the story stated?

  • Grace

    formerly just steve

    “but the sister didn’t know about it”

    I don’t know many guys who would have told their sister about being attacked by some other guys at school, .. getting their hair cut off, etc. That goes for a brother as well.

    Bullied kids don’t talk, they don’t tell. Very much like kids who are abused by adults, such as molestation – they don’t tell either.

  • Grace

    formerly just steve

    “but the sister didn’t know about it”

    I don’t know many guys who would have told their sister about being attacked by some other guys at school, .. getting their hair cut off, etc. That goes for a brother as well.

    Bullied kids don’t talk, they don’t tell. Very much like kids who are abused by adults, such as molestation – they don’t tell either.

  • formerly just steve

    Fine, Grace, but what makes you think the Washington Post would know any more about it that a family member–or a man who they said was there but wasn’t.

  • formerly just steve

    Fine, Grace, but what makes you think the Washington Post would know any more about it that a family member–or a man who they said was there but wasn’t.

  • Grace

    formerly just steve @ 49

    “what makes you think the Washington Post would know any more about it that a family member”

    People choose who they want to tell, it isn’t always a family member, sometimes it’s a friend/friends.

  • Grace

    formerly just steve @ 49

    “what makes you think the Washington Post would know any more about it that a family member”

    People choose who they want to tell, it isn’t always a family member, sometimes it’s a friend/friends.

  • Grace

    From the Washington Post article:

    “Mitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality.”

    In 1965 it was the era of all sorts of people dressing differently than the norm. (Think hippy, and a variety of other looks) I’m sure that John Lauber looked very different than his classmates, so what? Since John Lauber looked very different, the episode would be hard to forget!

    Teasing has always been a part of growing up, going to school, but when one decides that they are so incensed over another person, the way they dress, wear their hair – then attempt to tackle and change it with force, that’s wrong, very wrong.

    Romney apologized, WHY, if he didn’t do it? No one forgets an episode like that one, especially if “that one” is the ring leader.

    Mitt Romney apologizes for high school pranks that ‘might have gone too far’
    “Back in high school, I did some dumb things, and if anybody was hurt by that or offended, obviously I apologize for that,” Romney said in a live radio interview with Fox News Channel personality Brian Kilmeade. Romney added: “I participated in a lot of hijinks and pranks during high school, and some might have gone too far, and for that I apologize.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romney-apologizes-for-high-school-pranks-that-might-have-gone-too-far/2012/05/10/gIQAC3JhFU_story.html

    IF – is a common way of hiding behind a deed, instead of stepping up to the plate. What other IF’S will we see, or have observed in the past/future? The IF game, is LAME.

  • Grace

    From the Washington Post article:

    “Mitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality.”

    In 1965 it was the era of all sorts of people dressing differently than the norm. (Think hippy, and a variety of other looks) I’m sure that John Lauber looked very different than his classmates, so what? Since John Lauber looked very different, the episode would be hard to forget!

    Teasing has always been a part of growing up, going to school, but when one decides that they are so incensed over another person, the way they dress, wear their hair – then attempt to tackle and change it with force, that’s wrong, very wrong.

    Romney apologized, WHY, if he didn’t do it? No one forgets an episode like that one, especially if “that one” is the ring leader.

    Mitt Romney apologizes for high school pranks that ‘might have gone too far’
    “Back in high school, I did some dumb things, and if anybody was hurt by that or offended, obviously I apologize for that,” Romney said in a live radio interview with Fox News Channel personality Brian Kilmeade. Romney added: “I participated in a lot of hijinks and pranks during high school, and some might have gone too far, and for that I apologize.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romney-apologizes-for-high-school-pranks-that-might-have-gone-too-far/2012/05/10/gIQAC3JhFU_story.html

    IF – is a common way of hiding behind a deed, instead of stepping up to the plate. What other IF’S will we see, or have observed in the past/future? The IF game, is LAME.

  • arcticmoon

    Once a bully always a bully. That might explain why he likes firing people. It gives him that feeling of power that bullies get from belittling someone else.

  • arcticmoon

    Once a bully always a bully. That might explain why he likes firing people. It gives him that feeling of power that bullies get from belittling someone else.


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