Eat mor chikin day

Today, August 1, has been proclaimed “Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day” by those who support the chicken sandwich company’s CEO who is catching flak for opposing gay marriage.  Americans are being urged to show up at one of their stores and simply buy a sandwich.  I suspect the company will have huge sales today.

Then again, pro-gay-marriage protesters are promising to show up too.  Some are saying they will just order water, so as to make workers busy without buying anything.  Gays are calling for a kiss-in at Chick-fil-A outlets on August 3.

See  Chick-fil-A braces for protests, same-sex ‘kiss-in’ | The Lookout – Yahoo! News.

So what do you think about this?  Will you eat “chikin” (as the cows in the company’s advertising campaign put it)?  Or, if you support gay marriage, will you boycott the company?  If you oppose gay marriage, will you eat chicken sandwiches for the principle of the thing?

It seems to me that those who want to boycott Chick-fil-A because of the CEO’s beliefs and are otherwise making a big deal of this may be opening a can of worms.  The issue of gay marriage is not nearly as settled as our cultural elites think it is.  If those who oppose gay marriage were to follow suit by refusing to patronize companies that support gay causes, it would probably have a bigger impact.

Do you think the political, moral, or religious beliefs of a company’s owners or leaders should be taken into account when consumers make their purchasing decisions?  If the company’s philanthropy goes to support a particular cause, doesn’t that mean that people who buy the product might be giving money to something they don’t believe in?

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Pete

    Someone asking me to contribute to Planned Parenthood is asking me to support something I don’t believe in. Someone wanting to sell me a chicken sandwich is asking me to buy his chicken sandwich. I have believed in chicken sandwiches for a long time. The seller of the sandwich may be of any of a number of political, religious or sexual orientations. Why, he could even be a Red Sox fan. Or a Democrat. Regardless, he is my neighbor and I am to love him and one way I can do that is reward him for making a good product. By buying it. If it’s good. His part of society’s contract is to produce a consistently good sandwich, to the best of his ability. Mine is to reward him if he has done so. Take Ben and Jerry’s ice cream, for example. They (B&J) seem like fairly doctrinaire, daffy liberals. But despite that they make some pretty good ice cream and, once in awhile, I’ll purchase a pint.

  • Pete

    Someone asking me to contribute to Planned Parenthood is asking me to support something I don’t believe in. Someone wanting to sell me a chicken sandwich is asking me to buy his chicken sandwich. I have believed in chicken sandwiches for a long time. The seller of the sandwich may be of any of a number of political, religious or sexual orientations. Why, he could even be a Red Sox fan. Or a Democrat. Regardless, he is my neighbor and I am to love him and one way I can do that is reward him for making a good product. By buying it. If it’s good. His part of society’s contract is to produce a consistently good sandwich, to the best of his ability. Mine is to reward him if he has done so. Take Ben and Jerry’s ice cream, for example. They (B&J) seem like fairly doctrinaire, daffy liberals. But despite that they make some pretty good ice cream and, once in awhile, I’ll purchase a pint.

  • http://theoldadam.com/ Steve Martin

    Hating people and trying to destroy them because of their beliefs is a leftist thing.

    I still believe in the principles of liberty.

    I buy products I like despite the politics or religion of those selling those products.

    That’s the American way.

  • http://theoldadam.com/ Steve Martin

    Hating people and trying to destroy them because of their beliefs is a leftist thing.

    I still believe in the principles of liberty.

    I buy products I like despite the politics or religion of those selling those products.

    That’s the American way.

  • http://wmarkwhitlock.com W. Mark Whitlock

    I’ve enjoyed your blog for a long time. I appreciate the careful “curation” of news stories and your thoughtful questions.

    May I ask a question of my own? I ask purely to understand your point of view. Why did you characterize Dan Cathy above by what he is “against” and not what he is “for”? Furthermore, why did you not list what else Dan Cathy is “against”—the other things that threaten the biblical standard of marriage—divorce, infidelity, pornography, bitterness, and more.

    Dan’s statement was positive:
    “We are very much supportive of the family—the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that. We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles.”

    As we write about this, shouldn’t we echo what the original person said, not allow others to narrowly frame the debate?

    Again, I am just seeking clarity from someone I admire and appreciate. You’ve thought through the journalistic issues much more deeply than I have.

  • http://wmarkwhitlock.com W. Mark Whitlock

    I’ve enjoyed your blog for a long time. I appreciate the careful “curation” of news stories and your thoughtful questions.

    May I ask a question of my own? I ask purely to understand your point of view. Why did you characterize Dan Cathy above by what he is “against” and not what he is “for”? Furthermore, why did you not list what else Dan Cathy is “against”—the other things that threaten the biblical standard of marriage—divorce, infidelity, pornography, bitterness, and more.

    Dan’s statement was positive:
    “We are very much supportive of the family—the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that. We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles.”

    As we write about this, shouldn’t we echo what the original person said, not allow others to narrowly frame the debate?

    Again, I am just seeking clarity from someone I admire and appreciate. You’ve thought through the journalistic issues much more deeply than I have.

  • Michael B.

    “Do you think the political, moral, or religious beliefs of a company’s owners or leaders should be taken into account when consumers make their purchasing decisions”

    Maybe gay marriage isn’t a divisive enough issue to make this point. Can we think of a political view that a CEO of a company would have to have that we would never eat there? What if the CEO called 911 victims “little Eichmanns”?

  • Michael B.

    “Do you think the political, moral, or religious beliefs of a company’s owners or leaders should be taken into account when consumers make their purchasing decisions”

    Maybe gay marriage isn’t a divisive enough issue to make this point. Can we think of a political view that a CEO of a company would have to have that we would never eat there? What if the CEO called 911 victims “little Eichmanns”?

  • Jen

    Commerce is not the Lord’s Supper. Communion fellowship isn’t required for shopping.

  • Jen

    Commerce is not the Lord’s Supper. Communion fellowship isn’t required for shopping.

  • Trey

    I agree with most of what it said above my post. God provided through our vocation despite our sin. It would be different if the transaction was to directly support homosexual marriage. I’m going get Chick-Fil-A because I like it. If it was McDonalds I would pass.

  • Trey

    I agree with most of what it said above my post. God provided through our vocation despite our sin. It would be different if the transaction was to directly support homosexual marriage. I’m going get Chick-Fil-A because I like it. If it was McDonalds I would pass.

  • Tom Hering

    I’d like to know what Dan Cathy thinks about those most affected by all this. The chickens.

  • Tom Hering

    I’d like to know what Dan Cathy thinks about those most affected by all this. The chickens.

  • Michael Miller

    I strongly considered boycotting and writing a letter to Starbucks when they came out in favor of homosexual marriage in Washington State. My letter would have included an encouragement to keep their social statements out of their coffee-making business. However, I’ve since realized that it’s a whole lot more complicated than that.

    The preaching of the Law is directed toward people in order that they might repent. Businesses are amoral entities. A business, like Planned Parenthood, may provide an immoral service, which is reason enough to avoid them. However, businesses like Starbucks or Chick-fil-A exist to provide food and drink. By boycotting them, all you’re doing is avoiding is their provision of food and drink. Does that really make a clear Christian confession against their public immoral confession?

  • Michael Miller

    I strongly considered boycotting and writing a letter to Starbucks when they came out in favor of homosexual marriage in Washington State. My letter would have included an encouragement to keep their social statements out of their coffee-making business. However, I’ve since realized that it’s a whole lot more complicated than that.

    The preaching of the Law is directed toward people in order that they might repent. Businesses are amoral entities. A business, like Planned Parenthood, may provide an immoral service, which is reason enough to avoid them. However, businesses like Starbucks or Chick-fil-A exist to provide food and drink. By boycotting them, all you’re doing is avoiding is their provision of food and drink. Does that really make a clear Christian confession against their public immoral confession?

  • http://www.brandywinebooks.net Lars Walker

    Sadly, there are only 2 Chik-Fil-A’s in the Twin Cities area, where I live. One is in the airport, the other is in a student center at the University (that must be interesting). Going to either one would be pretty inconvenient for me. Otherwise, I’d certainly go. I’d love to try their product.

  • http://www.brandywinebooks.net Lars Walker

    Sadly, there are only 2 Chik-Fil-A’s in the Twin Cities area, where I live. One is in the airport, the other is in a student center at the University (that must be interesting). Going to either one would be pretty inconvenient for me. Otherwise, I’d certainly go. I’d love to try their product.

  • Tom Hering

    Hating people and trying to destroy them because of their beliefs is a leftist thing. (@ 2)

    Really, Steve? Is that how you define a boycott? So what are conservatives doing when they organize a boycott?

  • Tom Hering

    Hating people and trying to destroy them because of their beliefs is a leftist thing. (@ 2)

    Really, Steve? Is that how you define a boycott? So what are conservatives doing when they organize a boycott?

  • SKPeterson

    These posts have me thinking, which is often quite dangerous. Chik-Fil-A doesn’t openly market itself as a Christian company, but you do get a strong hint when you are in a store and read why they don’t open for business on Sundays. Moreover, Chik-Fil-A has not, to my knowledge, openly campaigned as a company for any particular political policy in contrast to the aforementioned Starbucks and other companies. However, in my area (and I suspect in many parts of the lower half of the country) many small businesses go out of their way to advertise their Christianity. It becomes a rather crass marketing ploy – as if an expressly Christian plumber can fix toilets better than a non-, or less vocal Christian. While Christians are called to live out their lives in a vocation to serve others, there is some sort of line that divides the plumber who is a Christian from the Christian plumber.

  • SKPeterson

    These posts have me thinking, which is often quite dangerous. Chik-Fil-A doesn’t openly market itself as a Christian company, but you do get a strong hint when you are in a store and read why they don’t open for business on Sundays. Moreover, Chik-Fil-A has not, to my knowledge, openly campaigned as a company for any particular political policy in contrast to the aforementioned Starbucks and other companies. However, in my area (and I suspect in many parts of the lower half of the country) many small businesses go out of their way to advertise their Christianity. It becomes a rather crass marketing ploy – as if an expressly Christian plumber can fix toilets better than a non-, or less vocal Christian. While Christians are called to live out their lives in a vocation to serve others, there is some sort of line that divides the plumber who is a Christian from the Christian plumber.

  • Tom Hering

    SK @ 11, what? A Scripture verse isn’t the sort of information you’re looking for in a Yellow Pages ad?

  • Tom Hering

    SK @ 11, what? A Scripture verse isn’t the sort of information you’re looking for in a Yellow Pages ad?

  • CRB

    Last week on Issues Etc., Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse stated of the gay movement: “This movement is a totalitarian movement, because what they want is to control every institution in society. They want every institution in society, every mind in society to conform to their view of what’s right. This is not a, ‘live and let live movement’ AT ALL (her emphasis). If it ever was, it isn’t anymore.
    This is a movement that has an idea of what it means to be a man and what it means to be a woman. They have an idea of human sexuality and it’s place in our lives. They have a set of ideas and their ideas are diametrically opposed to the Christian idea and one set of ideas is going to drive out the other. ” The whole interview with Dr. Morse can be found at Issues Etc on July 24, about 12 minutes in length.

  • CRB

    Last week on Issues Etc., Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse stated of the gay movement: “This movement is a totalitarian movement, because what they want is to control every institution in society. They want every institution in society, every mind in society to conform to their view of what’s right. This is not a, ‘live and let live movement’ AT ALL (her emphasis). If it ever was, it isn’t anymore.
    This is a movement that has an idea of what it means to be a man and what it means to be a woman. They have an idea of human sexuality and it’s place in our lives. They have a set of ideas and their ideas are diametrically opposed to the Christian idea and one set of ideas is going to drive out the other. ” The whole interview with Dr. Morse can be found at Issues Etc on July 24, about 12 minutes in length.

  • Joe

    SKP — If I have really bad clog and need a miracle, I’ll go for the vocally Christian plumber just in case. :)

  • Joe

    SKP — If I have really bad clog and need a miracle, I’ll go for the vocally Christian plumber just in case. :)

  • Tom Hering

    If the clog is caused by too many Chick-fil-As, these Christian businesses have created a loop of customers. They’ve got you coming and – ahem – going. :-D

  • Tom Hering

    If the clog is caused by too many Chick-fil-As, these Christian businesses have created a loop of customers. They’ve got you coming and – ahem – going. :-D

  • http://www.brandywinebooks.net Lars Walker

    Tom Hering: There’s a big difference between a private boycott by free citizens, and a city government trying to deny business permits, not on the basis of the nature of goods and services, but on the basis of the owners’ religious beliefs.

  • http://www.brandywinebooks.net Lars Walker

    Tom Hering: There’s a big difference between a private boycott by free citizens, and a city government trying to deny business permits, not on the basis of the nature of goods and services, but on the basis of the owners’ religious beliefs.

  • Steve Billingsley

    You know if a political approach is too heavy-handed and ridiculous for Michael Bloomberg, then it probably went too far.

    If Rick Perry made a statement that Starbucks doesn’t reflect “Texas values” because of it’s support for same-sex marriage, he would be excoriated.

    At the end of the day, Chick-Fil-A will make a lot of money off of this controversy. I don’t know how much the statements of the mayors of Chicago and Boston reflect supporters of gay marriage or not. I do know that it makes them look buffoonish.

    And there are my stream of consciousness style thoughts on the subject.

  • Steve Billingsley

    You know if a political approach is too heavy-handed and ridiculous for Michael Bloomberg, then it probably went too far.

    If Rick Perry made a statement that Starbucks doesn’t reflect “Texas values” because of it’s support for same-sex marriage, he would be excoriated.

    At the end of the day, Chick-Fil-A will make a lot of money off of this controversy. I don’t know how much the statements of the mayors of Chicago and Boston reflect supporters of gay marriage or not. I do know that it makes them look buffoonish.

    And there are my stream of consciousness style thoughts on the subject.

  • Steve Billingsley

    One more….

    A “kiss-in”? Really? At a place that caters to families with young children? A heterosexual “kiss-in” would be inappropriate at Chick-Fil-A.

    Good luck with all of that. I’m sure it will result in a huge swing of public opinion towards gay marriage. (To be fair, I think a lot more people will buy chicken sandwiches today than go make out on Friday). Do people actually think before they attempt to organize these kinds of things?

  • Steve Billingsley

    One more….

    A “kiss-in”? Really? At a place that caters to families with young children? A heterosexual “kiss-in” would be inappropriate at Chick-Fil-A.

    Good luck with all of that. I’m sure it will result in a huge swing of public opinion towards gay marriage. (To be fair, I think a lot more people will buy chicken sandwiches today than go make out on Friday). Do people actually think before they attempt to organize these kinds of things?

  • Tom Hering

    Lars @ 16, of course there’s a big difference. My point in response to Steve is that suppression of ideas isn’t unique to the left. What about conservative school boards and Christian groups removing Huckleberry Finn (and other books) from libraries? Not exactly a rare occurrence.

  • Tom Hering

    Lars @ 16, of course there’s a big difference. My point in response to Steve is that suppression of ideas isn’t unique to the left. What about conservative school boards and Christian groups removing Huckleberry Finn (and other books) from libraries? Not exactly a rare occurrence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    There’s a counter-protest at one of the Chick-Fil-A restaurants in Albuquerque today. Protesters are requested to “Wear your best gay cow and chicken costumes!” Also, a local “gay owned” restaurant (described as an “intlorance-free alternative” to CFA) is supplying free chicken sandwiches to the protesters. Too bad that’s 100 miles away from where I live. It would be fun to go watch the spectacle.

    I do find it somewhat ironic that the “intolerance-free” local restaurant is participating in the organized bullying, on account of CFA’s owner’s expressed opinion on how things ought to be.

    But I guess for the Orwellian leftists, actual intolerance doesn’t count as intolerance, but someone holding, and expressing a belief or opinion different from your own does.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    There’s a counter-protest at one of the Chick-Fil-A restaurants in Albuquerque today. Protesters are requested to “Wear your best gay cow and chicken costumes!” Also, a local “gay owned” restaurant (described as an “intlorance-free alternative” to CFA) is supplying free chicken sandwiches to the protesters. Too bad that’s 100 miles away from where I live. It would be fun to go watch the spectacle.

    I do find it somewhat ironic that the “intolerance-free” local restaurant is participating in the organized bullying, on account of CFA’s owner’s expressed opinion on how things ought to be.

    But I guess for the Orwellian leftists, actual intolerance doesn’t count as intolerance, but someone holding, and expressing a belief or opinion different from your own does.

  • http://www.geneveith.com Gene Veith

    Uh, Tom, it is almost never conservatives or Christian groups trying to ban “Huckleberry Finn.” It’s generally African-Americans (who, of course, are very likely Christians) who object to Mark Twain’s use of the “N-word.”

  • http://www.geneveith.com Gene Veith

    Uh, Tom, it is almost never conservatives or Christian groups trying to ban “Huckleberry Finn.” It’s generally African-Americans (who, of course, are very likely Christians) who object to Mark Twain’s use of the “N-word.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    As far as Starbucks and their social statements, those social statements are a part of the Starbucks business strategy. Just like Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream when they expressed support for the Occupy movement, even though Ben & Jerry’s is a subsidiary of a giant multi-national mega-conglomerate corporation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    As far as Starbucks and their social statements, those social statements are a part of the Starbucks business strategy. Just like Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream when they expressed support for the Occupy movement, even though Ben & Jerry’s is a subsidiary of a giant multi-national mega-conglomerate corporation.

  • CRB

    Mike,
    See above quote by Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse at #13. The interview is well worth a listen!

  • CRB

    Mike,
    See above quote by Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse at #13. The interview is well worth a listen!

  • http://www.geneveith.com Gene Veith

    W. Mark Whitlock @3:
    Thanks for including the positive statement. I blogged about what Dan Cathy actually said–and how he didn’t even explicitly address the topic of gay marriage–earlier: http://www.geneveith.com/2012/07/25/the-chick-fil-a-firestorm/

  • http://www.geneveith.com Gene Veith

    W. Mark Whitlock @3:
    Thanks for including the positive statement. I blogged about what Dan Cathy actually said–and how he didn’t even explicitly address the topic of gay marriage–earlier: http://www.geneveith.com/2012/07/25/the-chick-fil-a-firestorm/

  • DonS

    “The issue of gay marriage is not nearly as settled as our cultural elites think it is.”

    That’s an understatement. No voter election, at a statewide level, seeking to require the recognition of gay marriages with a state-issued marriage certificate has EVER won. Most such elections have not even been close. Yes, some left-wing cities have passed such propositions, but they have no force of law since marriage laws are state matters.

    “Do you think the political, moral, or religious beliefs of a company’s owners or leaders should be taken into account when consumers make their purchasing decisions?” — It’s perfectly fine to boycott companies to send a message to them about social issues they may have taken a stand on. I know some folks who won’t shop at Target because they won’t permit Salvation Army bellringers outside of their stores during the Christmas season, for example. I doubt Target knows of them, but it makes them feel good to take that stand. Disrupting the business by invading their private property and harassing employees and customers — well I’m not so sympathetic to that.

  • DonS

    “The issue of gay marriage is not nearly as settled as our cultural elites think it is.”

    That’s an understatement. No voter election, at a statewide level, seeking to require the recognition of gay marriages with a state-issued marriage certificate has EVER won. Most such elections have not even been close. Yes, some left-wing cities have passed such propositions, but they have no force of law since marriage laws are state matters.

    “Do you think the political, moral, or religious beliefs of a company’s owners or leaders should be taken into account when consumers make their purchasing decisions?” — It’s perfectly fine to boycott companies to send a message to them about social issues they may have taken a stand on. I know some folks who won’t shop at Target because they won’t permit Salvation Army bellringers outside of their stores during the Christmas season, for example. I doubt Target knows of them, but it makes them feel good to take that stand. Disrupting the business by invading their private property and harassing employees and customers — well I’m not so sympathetic to that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    That’s an interesting interview, CRB. Thanks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    That’s an interesting interview, CRB. Thanks.

  • CRB

    Mike,
    Yes, it certainly is and she is “right on!”

  • CRB

    Mike,
    Yes, it certainly is and she is “right on!”

  • Grace

    W. Mark Whitlock @3

    These are some of the attributes and beliefs of Dan T. Cathy President and Chief Operating Officer of Chick-fil-A.

    Dan T. Cathy President and Chief Operating Officer

    “As president of one of the nation’s largest family owned businesses, Chick-fil-A’s Dan T. Cathy represents the next generation of leadership for the Atlanta-based quick-service chicken restaurant chain founded by his father, S. Truett Cathy. Eager to incorporate his own skills and talents into the business, Dan has taken an unconventional, yet personally and professionally rewarding approach to Chick-fil-A leadership.”

    ANOTHER EXCERPT

    “As dedicated to Chick-fil-A as he is, Dan also finds time to give generously of his time and efforts in the community. Following is just a partial list of his awards, affiliations and associations:

    ⚫ Member, Board of Trustees, Berry College
    ⚫ Member, Board of Trustees, Morehouse College
    ⚫ Member, Advisory Board, Eagle Ranch
    ⚫ Member, Advisory Board, Global Teen Challenge
    ⚫ Executive Member, National Advisory Board, Lead Like Jesus
    ⚫ Member, Board of Councilors, The Carter Center
    ⚫ Member, Board Trustee, Gordon College Foundation
    ⚫ Member, The New Hope Baptist Church (and trumpet player in the church band)
    ⚫ Sunday School Teacher, 12th Grade Boys – Youth teacher for 37 years
    ⚫ Member, Metro Atlanta Board of Directors, Chamber of Commerce
    ⚫ Member, Jenkins Clinic Board of Directors, Vice Chairman
    ⚫ Advisory Board, Heritage Preparatory School
    ⚫ Recipient of the Outstanding American Award from the National Wrestling Hall
    ⚫ of Fame – 2003
    ⚫ Honorary Doctorate Degree from the State University of West Georgia, Anderson College and Carver Bible College
    ⚫ Honorary Doctorate of Humanities Degree from Anderson College – 2005
    ⚫ Honorary Doctorate from HBCA Entrepreneur Summit
    ⚫ Honorary Doctorate, Law Degree, Pepperdine University, 2011

    “And in his “spare” time, Dan earned his Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) license and has completed numerous marathons in Atlanta, Orlando, Los Angeles, Boston and New York. Additionally, Dan is a passionate trumpet player, gardener and an avid motorcyclist.

    A native of Jonesboro, Ga., Dan has been married to the former Rhonda Palmer (whom he met while in the 1st grade at age 6) for more than 38 years. He has two sons, Andrew (Mandy) and Ross along with his first granddaughter.

    His personal passion is to see the fulfillment of the Chick-fil-A Corporate Purpose: “To glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us. To have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A.”

    ★ READ THE REST: http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Press/Bios/Dan

  • Grace

    W. Mark Whitlock @3

    These are some of the attributes and beliefs of Dan T. Cathy President and Chief Operating Officer of Chick-fil-A.

    Dan T. Cathy President and Chief Operating Officer

    “As president of one of the nation’s largest family owned businesses, Chick-fil-A’s Dan T. Cathy represents the next generation of leadership for the Atlanta-based quick-service chicken restaurant chain founded by his father, S. Truett Cathy. Eager to incorporate his own skills and talents into the business, Dan has taken an unconventional, yet personally and professionally rewarding approach to Chick-fil-A leadership.”

    ANOTHER EXCERPT

    “As dedicated to Chick-fil-A as he is, Dan also finds time to give generously of his time and efforts in the community. Following is just a partial list of his awards, affiliations and associations:

    ⚫ Member, Board of Trustees, Berry College
    ⚫ Member, Board of Trustees, Morehouse College
    ⚫ Member, Advisory Board, Eagle Ranch
    ⚫ Member, Advisory Board, Global Teen Challenge
    ⚫ Executive Member, National Advisory Board, Lead Like Jesus
    ⚫ Member, Board of Councilors, The Carter Center
    ⚫ Member, Board Trustee, Gordon College Foundation
    ⚫ Member, The New Hope Baptist Church (and trumpet player in the church band)
    ⚫ Sunday School Teacher, 12th Grade Boys – Youth teacher for 37 years
    ⚫ Member, Metro Atlanta Board of Directors, Chamber of Commerce
    ⚫ Member, Jenkins Clinic Board of Directors, Vice Chairman
    ⚫ Advisory Board, Heritage Preparatory School
    ⚫ Recipient of the Outstanding American Award from the National Wrestling Hall
    ⚫ of Fame – 2003
    ⚫ Honorary Doctorate Degree from the State University of West Georgia, Anderson College and Carver Bible College
    ⚫ Honorary Doctorate of Humanities Degree from Anderson College – 2005
    ⚫ Honorary Doctorate from HBCA Entrepreneur Summit
    ⚫ Honorary Doctorate, Law Degree, Pepperdine University, 2011

    “And in his “spare” time, Dan earned his Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) license and has completed numerous marathons in Atlanta, Orlando, Los Angeles, Boston and New York. Additionally, Dan is a passionate trumpet player, gardener and an avid motorcyclist.

    A native of Jonesboro, Ga., Dan has been married to the former Rhonda Palmer (whom he met while in the 1st grade at age 6) for more than 38 years. He has two sons, Andrew (Mandy) and Ross along with his first granddaughter.

    His personal passion is to see the fulfillment of the Chick-fil-A Corporate Purpose: “To glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us. To have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A.”

    ★ READ THE REST: http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Press/Bios/Dan

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    As it is more of a drive than I want to make for fastfood, I will probably just make my own.

    http://www.seriouseats.com/2012/07/the-food-lab-how-to-make-a-chick-fil-a-sandwich-at-home.html

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    As it is more of a drive than I want to make for fastfood, I will probably just make my own.

    http://www.seriouseats.com/2012/07/the-food-lab-how-to-make-a-chick-fil-a-sandwich-at-home.html

  • Grace

    CNN

    Evangelist Billy Graham defends Chick-fil-A

    July 26th, 2012
    By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

    (CNN)– Billy Graham, the dean of American evangelists, has once again broken his usual silence on hot-button issues, defending the president of the Chick-fil-A restaurant chain for his opposition to same-sex marriage days after issuing a letter decrying what he sees as the nation’s moral decay.

    Earlier this year, the ailing preacher publicly endorsed a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay unions in North Carolina, raising eyebrows among many who’d watched Graham studiously avoid thorny social issues for years.

    On Thursday, he issued a statement of support for the popular fast-food chain. Many people have slammed Chick-fil-A President Don Cathy for saying his company backs the traditional family unit and is opposed to same-sex marriage.
    Graham praised restaurant founder S. Truett Cathy and son Don Cathy, the company’s president, “for their strong stand for the Christian faith.”

    “I’ve known their family for many years and have watched them grow Chick-fil-A into one of the best businesses in America while never compromising their values,” Graham said.

    The Chick-fil-A controversy reflects what many see as America’s deep cultural and religious divide. The company’s position on same-sex marriage doesn’t sit well with Jim Henson Co., whose Jim Henson’s Creature Shop toys have been served in Chick-fil-A’s meals for children.

    Jim Henson Co. is named for the creator of The Muppets. However, the company transferred The Muppets’ rights and ownership to the Walt Disney Co. in 2003, according to Jim Henson Co.

    “The Jim Henson Company has celebrated and embraced diversity and inclusiveness for over 50 years and we have notified Chick-fil-A that we do not wish to partner with them on any future endeavors,” the company said in a posting on its Facebook page.

    Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a 2008 GOP presidential candidate, is backing Chick-fil-A. He urged people to turn out to Chick-fil-A restaurants on Wednesday to show their support for what Cathy had to say about marriage.

    Graham says he appreciated Huckabee’s leadership and plans to visit a Chick-fil-A on that day, August 1.

    “Each generation faces different issues and challenges, but our standard must always be measured by God’s word. I appreciate the Cathy family’s public support for God’s definition of marriage.”

    On Tuesday, Graham leveled deep criticism at the United States. He compared the country to Sodom and Gomorrah, the Biblical cities synonymous with sin.

    “Self-centered indulgence, pride, and a lack of shame over sin are now emblems of the American lifestyle,” Graham writes in the open letter released by his organization this week.

    READ THE REST: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/26/evangelist-billy-graham-defends-chick-fil-a/

  • Grace

    CNN

    Evangelist Billy Graham defends Chick-fil-A

    July 26th, 2012
    By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

    (CNN)– Billy Graham, the dean of American evangelists, has once again broken his usual silence on hot-button issues, defending the president of the Chick-fil-A restaurant chain for his opposition to same-sex marriage days after issuing a letter decrying what he sees as the nation’s moral decay.

    Earlier this year, the ailing preacher publicly endorsed a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay unions in North Carolina, raising eyebrows among many who’d watched Graham studiously avoid thorny social issues for years.

    On Thursday, he issued a statement of support for the popular fast-food chain. Many people have slammed Chick-fil-A President Don Cathy for saying his company backs the traditional family unit and is opposed to same-sex marriage.
    Graham praised restaurant founder S. Truett Cathy and son Don Cathy, the company’s president, “for their strong stand for the Christian faith.”

    “I’ve known their family for many years and have watched them grow Chick-fil-A into one of the best businesses in America while never compromising their values,” Graham said.

    The Chick-fil-A controversy reflects what many see as America’s deep cultural and religious divide. The company’s position on same-sex marriage doesn’t sit well with Jim Henson Co., whose Jim Henson’s Creature Shop toys have been served in Chick-fil-A’s meals for children.

    Jim Henson Co. is named for the creator of The Muppets. However, the company transferred The Muppets’ rights and ownership to the Walt Disney Co. in 2003, according to Jim Henson Co.

    “The Jim Henson Company has celebrated and embraced diversity and inclusiveness for over 50 years and we have notified Chick-fil-A that we do not wish to partner with them on any future endeavors,” the company said in a posting on its Facebook page.

    Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a 2008 GOP presidential candidate, is backing Chick-fil-A. He urged people to turn out to Chick-fil-A restaurants on Wednesday to show their support for what Cathy had to say about marriage.

    Graham says he appreciated Huckabee’s leadership and plans to visit a Chick-fil-A on that day, August 1.

    “Each generation faces different issues and challenges, but our standard must always be measured by God’s word. I appreciate the Cathy family’s public support for God’s definition of marriage.”

    On Tuesday, Graham leveled deep criticism at the United States. He compared the country to Sodom and Gomorrah, the Biblical cities synonymous with sin.

    “Self-centered indulgence, pride, and a lack of shame over sin are now emblems of the American lifestyle,” Graham writes in the open letter released by his organization this week.

    READ THE REST: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/26/evangelist-billy-graham-defends-chick-fil-a/

  • http://www.geneveith.com Gene Veith

    I’m getting reports from Washington, D.C. to southern California that the Chick-fil-A’s are PACKED, with long lines stretching outside of stores and drive-throughs with lines for blocks. Someone here went on a Chick-fil-A run, so I chipped in, and I ate one of their sandwiches for the second time in my life. (The first one was the basic, with just the dill pickle, but get the deluxe, with lettuce, tomato, pickle, & cheese.) It was delicious! I’ll have to keep buying the things. I suspect other people who haven’t paid much attention to the product before will do the same, and that this controversy will be a net gain for the business.

    I also had an interesting conversation with a colleague who is an economics professor, asking him if buying or not buying a product for ideological reasons was a violation of free market economics. He said, not at all. People have all kinds of reasons why they buy or don’t buy a particular product. The marketplace determines, though, its economic success. If Chick-fil-A indeed “goes against the values of Chicago” as the mayor of that city is saying, then if a store opens it will soon go broke. Not letting the store open, though, because the government thinks this, would be a violation of the free market because the local government, not the consumers, would be making that determination.

    Anyway, it will be interesting to see if this show of support for the company in light of its stands is covered in the media and, if it is, how it might be spun. Maybe something like “Obama policy sparks growth in fast food business.”

  • http://www.geneveith.com Gene Veith

    I’m getting reports from Washington, D.C. to southern California that the Chick-fil-A’s are PACKED, with long lines stretching outside of stores and drive-throughs with lines for blocks. Someone here went on a Chick-fil-A run, so I chipped in, and I ate one of their sandwiches for the second time in my life. (The first one was the basic, with just the dill pickle, but get the deluxe, with lettuce, tomato, pickle, & cheese.) It was delicious! I’ll have to keep buying the things. I suspect other people who haven’t paid much attention to the product before will do the same, and that this controversy will be a net gain for the business.

    I also had an interesting conversation with a colleague who is an economics professor, asking him if buying or not buying a product for ideological reasons was a violation of free market economics. He said, not at all. People have all kinds of reasons why they buy or don’t buy a particular product. The marketplace determines, though, its economic success. If Chick-fil-A indeed “goes against the values of Chicago” as the mayor of that city is saying, then if a store opens it will soon go broke. Not letting the store open, though, because the government thinks this, would be a violation of the free market because the local government, not the consumers, would be making that determination.

    Anyway, it will be interesting to see if this show of support for the company in light of its stands is covered in the media and, if it is, how it might be spun. Maybe something like “Obama policy sparks growth in fast food business.”

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Local news coverage of the support/counter protest happening at the Chick-Fil-A in Albuquerque that I mentioned above: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10151979903170206

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Local news coverage of the support/counter protest happening at the Chick-Fil-A in Albuquerque that I mentioned above: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10151979903170206

  • Jon

    It’s remarkable that one is ‘standing strong in the Christian faith’ if he merely opposes legalizing same-sex marriage. That’s all it takes to be a strong Christian. It’s not the Cross; it’s: Go ye into all the world and oppose same-sex marriage. Bow to the cultural gods of the right; creed optional.

  • Jon

    It’s remarkable that one is ‘standing strong in the Christian faith’ if he merely opposes legalizing same-sex marriage. That’s all it takes to be a strong Christian. It’s not the Cross; it’s: Go ye into all the world and oppose same-sex marriage. Bow to the cultural gods of the right; creed optional.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Please, everyone on this blog, I need you to reply to me to let me know whether you are pro- or anti-Chick-fil-A. It’s very important to me.

    I will take your “yes” or “no” and use it to inform my understanding about your entire worldview/stance with God. Again, all I need is a “yes” (as in “Yes, I love God, fried chicken, fried potatoes, fried anything really, free speech, Mike Huckabee, Fox News, and viewing the world through dichotomies imposed by corporations and their marketing efforts”) or “no” (as in “No, I hate everything about America and wouldn’t eat chicken anyhow because I’m a Democrat/vegan/SDA/atheist/Satanist, which are all interchangeable anyhow”).

    Again, it is very important that you align yourself with or against Chick-fil-A. Corporations are how we identify and express ourselves. As Dan Cathy said, “He who is not with Chick-fil-A is against Chick-fil-A, and he who does not enjoy warm pickle slices on breaded chicken promotes the homosexual agenda.”

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Please, everyone on this blog, I need you to reply to me to let me know whether you are pro- or anti-Chick-fil-A. It’s very important to me.

    I will take your “yes” or “no” and use it to inform my understanding about your entire worldview/stance with God. Again, all I need is a “yes” (as in “Yes, I love God, fried chicken, fried potatoes, fried anything really, free speech, Mike Huckabee, Fox News, and viewing the world through dichotomies imposed by corporations and their marketing efforts”) or “no” (as in “No, I hate everything about America and wouldn’t eat chicken anyhow because I’m a Democrat/vegan/SDA/atheist/Satanist, which are all interchangeable anyhow”).

    Again, it is very important that you align yourself with or against Chick-fil-A. Corporations are how we identify and express ourselves. As Dan Cathy said, “He who is not with Chick-fil-A is against Chick-fil-A, and he who does not enjoy warm pickle slices on breaded chicken promotes the homosexual agenda.”

  • Grace

    Dr. Veith – I loved your post. We are having Chick-fil-A’s today as well.

    This just appeared on DRUDGE:

    PICKET: Chicago GOP to file complaint against Rahm Emanuel over Chick fil A flap

    By Kerry Picket – The Washington Time
    August 1, 2012

    “The Chicago Republican Party announced last week it would file a complaint with the Illinois Department of Human Rights and Attorney General Lisa Madigan over the discriminatory action by Alderman Proco (Joe) Moreno against the food chain Chick-fil-A.

    The party is now expanding their complaint to cover Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel as well. According to a press release, the Chicago Republican Party says that “the complaint states that the Alderman and the Mayor have broken civil rights laws pertaining to religious freedom and the First Amendment in denying Chick fil A a permit to operate its business in the City of Chicago.”

    Following Chick fil A’s CEO Dan Cathy’s support of traditional marriage, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, and San Francisco liberal politicians spoke out against the food chain and threatened to block Chick fil A from opening any business or further businesses in their cities.

    Mayor Rahm Emanuel said that Chick fil A’s values were not “Chicago values.”

    READ THE REST: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/aug/1/picket-chicago-gop-file-human-rights-complaint-aga/

  • Grace

    Dr. Veith – I loved your post. We are having Chick-fil-A’s today as well.

    This just appeared on DRUDGE:

    PICKET: Chicago GOP to file complaint against Rahm Emanuel over Chick fil A flap

    By Kerry Picket – The Washington Time
    August 1, 2012

    “The Chicago Republican Party announced last week it would file a complaint with the Illinois Department of Human Rights and Attorney General Lisa Madigan over the discriminatory action by Alderman Proco (Joe) Moreno against the food chain Chick-fil-A.

    The party is now expanding their complaint to cover Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel as well. According to a press release, the Chicago Republican Party says that “the complaint states that the Alderman and the Mayor have broken civil rights laws pertaining to religious freedom and the First Amendment in denying Chick fil A a permit to operate its business in the City of Chicago.”

    Following Chick fil A’s CEO Dan Cathy’s support of traditional marriage, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, and San Francisco liberal politicians spoke out against the food chain and threatened to block Chick fil A from opening any business or further businesses in their cities.

    Mayor Rahm Emanuel said that Chick fil A’s values were not “Chicago values.”

    READ THE REST: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/aug/1/picket-chicago-gop-file-human-rights-complaint-aga/

  • Joe

    tODD – get it right. The pickles are not on the chicken. They are in (the sandwich), with and under the chicken.

  • Joe

    tODD – get it right. The pickles are not on the chicken. They are in (the sandwich), with and under the chicken.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Also, is Mike Huckabee getting paid for shilling for Chick-fil-A? He really needs to get a percentage of all that corporate profit which has, for some reason, become the raison d’être of his Facebook page.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Also, is Mike Huckabee getting paid for shilling for Chick-fil-A? He really needs to get a percentage of all that corporate profit which has, for some reason, become the raison d’être of his Facebook page.

  • Joe
  • Joe
  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Joe (@36), yes, I laughed. You’ll always get me to laugh with an unexpected Luther reference.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Joe (@36), yes, I laughed. You’ll always get me to laugh with an unexpected Luther reference.

  • Joe

    I just here to help …

  • Joe

    I just here to help …

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    I’ve got to stop coming to this thread. The very thought of crisp fried chicken on a buttered bun with pickles is causing a Pavlov reaction.

    BTW, I loved Chick-fil-a before it became the poster child of conservatives everywhere. I used to work at one when I was home from school during my college years.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    I’ve got to stop coming to this thread. The very thought of crisp fried chicken on a buttered bun with pickles is causing a Pavlov reaction.

    BTW, I loved Chick-fil-a before it became the poster child of conservatives everywhere. I used to work at one when I was home from school during my college years.

  • WebMonk

    tODD, I am very much against Chick-fil-A.

    Their sandwiches are horrible – no better, and in some cases worse, than McDonalds.

    The one and only thing that redeems Chick-fil-A to my tongue is their peach milkshake.

    Other than that, I would be gastronomically thrilled if every CFA was miraculously transformed into a Wendys or Taco Bell.

  • WebMonk

    tODD, I am very much against Chick-fil-A.

    Their sandwiches are horrible – no better, and in some cases worse, than McDonalds.

    The one and only thing that redeems Chick-fil-A to my tongue is their peach milkshake.

    Other than that, I would be gastronomically thrilled if every CFA was miraculously transformed into a Wendys or Taco Bell.

  • Mary

    We stood in a line at our local Chick-fil-a for one and a half hours. There were hundreds of people waiting with us. Some people stopped to ask what was up, apparently they live under rocks and didn’t know about the issue at all. They were quite puzzled.
    We went not only because we love the food, but because it is one thing to boycott a business, it’s another for the government to tell the business that they can’t build in their community because of the way they think. Thankfully some of the initial knee jerk reactions from the leaders of some major cities has been rescinded.

    One of my adult children was told today that he is worse than Hitler sending the Jews to their deaths because he ate a Chick-fil- a sandwich today. Rhetoric getting a little heated out there! Does he know what Hitler did to the homosexuals?

  • Mary

    We stood in a line at our local Chick-fil-a for one and a half hours. There were hundreds of people waiting with us. Some people stopped to ask what was up, apparently they live under rocks and didn’t know about the issue at all. They were quite puzzled.
    We went not only because we love the food, but because it is one thing to boycott a business, it’s another for the government to tell the business that they can’t build in their community because of the way they think. Thankfully some of the initial knee jerk reactions from the leaders of some major cities has been rescinded.

    One of my adult children was told today that he is worse than Hitler sending the Jews to their deaths because he ate a Chick-fil- a sandwich today. Rhetoric getting a little heated out there! Does he know what Hitler did to the homosexuals?

  • Joe

    Horrible — really? I am very much against you WebMonk :)

  • Joe

    Horrible — really? I am very much against you WebMonk :)

  • Tom Hering

    Basic Chick-fil-A sandwich:

    440 calories.
    6 g sugars.
    3.5 g saturated fat.
    60 mg cholesterol.
    1400 mg sodium.

    I’m guessing opponents of same-sex marriage won’t be around much longer.

  • Tom Hering

    Basic Chick-fil-A sandwich:

    440 calories.
    6 g sugars.
    3.5 g saturated fat.
    60 mg cholesterol.
    1400 mg sodium.

    I’m guessing opponents of same-sex marriage won’t be around much longer.

  • JonathanH

    Erm, as a marketing strategy for Chick-fil-A, this would be great, but customers declaring a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day just seems silly. But there are a lot of silly things happening (as in, not bad, just really trivial…).

    I should probably let everyone know what I think of their food though. The closest one to me is about 25 minutes away (SOOO far, I know), so I mostly stick with McDonald’s, Wendy’s, and plenty of others like Five Guys, Chipotle, Taco Fresco, etc. all ~10 minutes away (I feel like we’re really spoiled).
    However, I would put their sandwiches about on par with Wendy’s. McDonald’s comes just below Wendy’s. I can never decide whether I like Wendy’s drier recipe or Chick-fil-A’s looser, greasier methods.

    Another thing I noticed though is that when our Chick-fil-A opened ~2 years ago, naturally there was a huge sensation and it would be packed all day. Everyone in my school would be talking about it and going all the time. But now, it almost seems as if it’s not doing great. (It’s likely doing just fine financially, but I just mean not *awesome* like the Wendy’s and McDonald’s, based on customer count.)

  • JonathanH

    Erm, as a marketing strategy for Chick-fil-A, this would be great, but customers declaring a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day just seems silly. But there are a lot of silly things happening (as in, not bad, just really trivial…).

    I should probably let everyone know what I think of their food though. The closest one to me is about 25 minutes away (SOOO far, I know), so I mostly stick with McDonald’s, Wendy’s, and plenty of others like Five Guys, Chipotle, Taco Fresco, etc. all ~10 minutes away (I feel like we’re really spoiled).
    However, I would put their sandwiches about on par with Wendy’s. McDonald’s comes just below Wendy’s. I can never decide whether I like Wendy’s drier recipe or Chick-fil-A’s looser, greasier methods.

    Another thing I noticed though is that when our Chick-fil-A opened ~2 years ago, naturally there was a huge sensation and it would be packed all day. Everyone in my school would be talking about it and going all the time. But now, it almost seems as if it’s not doing great. (It’s likely doing just fine financially, but I just mean not *awesome* like the Wendy’s and McDonald’s, based on customer count.)

  • #4 Kitty

    As many of you will agree, I don’t know that much about the Bible. However, there is one thing I am certain of~ If Jesus was on Earth today he would be eating at a Chick Fil A.

  • #4 Kitty

    As many of you will agree, I don’t know that much about the Bible. However, there is one thing I am certain of~ If Jesus was on Earth today he would be eating at a Chick Fil A.

  • Mary

    Wow Tom (at #45) Your attempt at humor is really lacking. Sounds like you’ve been listening to Roseanne Barr.

    Unfortunately we all know too well that the homosexual life style is fraught with many health dangers, not to mention even more importantly their eternal destiny.

  • Mary

    Wow Tom (at #45) Your attempt at humor is really lacking. Sounds like you’ve been listening to Roseanne Barr.

    Unfortunately we all know too well that the homosexual life style is fraught with many health dangers, not to mention even more importantly their eternal destiny.

  • http://carolmsblog.blogspot.com/ C-Christian Soldier

    BUY-cott for me-

    Found one – close to me – here in LA _CA- didn’t know it was there!! Had to get my heads up from my local Tea Party type group !!! : – )
    Don’t give up on CA- you all!!!
    Carol-CS

  • http://carolmsblog.blogspot.com/ C-Christian Soldier

    BUY-cott for me-

    Found one – close to me – here in LA _CA- didn’t know it was there!! Had to get my heads up from my local Tea Party type group !!! : – )
    Don’t give up on CA- you all!!!
    Carol-CS

  • Tom Hering

    Mary @ 48, I’m glad to hear that heterosexuality is free of health dangers, and will be a point in someone’s favor on Judgment Day. Whew.

  • Tom Hering

    Mary @ 48, I’m glad to hear that heterosexuality is free of health dangers, and will be a point in someone’s favor on Judgment Day. Whew.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    It might be called Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day, but it’s really Push Back Against The Gay Bullies Day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    It might be called Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day, but it’s really Push Back Against The Gay Bullies Day.

  • Grace

    Tom @ 45

    “I’m guessing opponents of same-sex marriage won’t be around much longer.”

    After you posted the content of one of the sandwiches on the menu, you blip out the remark above?

    Mary @ 48 – HAD TO SAY: “Unfortunately we all know too well that the homosexual life style is fraught with many health dangers, not to mention even more importantly their eternal destiny.

    Tom, a sandwich cannot be compared to the homosexual life style when it comes to “health dangers” (HIV/AIDS) –

    Mary is the one with the right answer. “their eternal destiny” – what a shame so many are blind to sin, and it’s devastation.

  • Grace

    Tom @ 45

    “I’m guessing opponents of same-sex marriage won’t be around much longer.”

    After you posted the content of one of the sandwiches on the menu, you blip out the remark above?

    Mary @ 48 – HAD TO SAY: “Unfortunately we all know too well that the homosexual life style is fraught with many health dangers, not to mention even more importantly their eternal destiny.

    Tom, a sandwich cannot be compared to the homosexual life style when it comes to “health dangers” (HIV/AIDS) –

    Mary is the one with the right answer. “their eternal destiny” – what a shame so many are blind to sin, and it’s devastation.

  • Grace

    Mike @51

    You’re right – it is the The Gay Bullies Day” – but they have won nothing.

  • Grace

    Mike @51

    You’re right – it is the The Gay Bullies Day” – but they have won nothing.

  • Tom Hering

    Grace, yes it’s shame that so many are blind to sin. Like the fact that all heterosexual desire and behavior – including marriage between a man and a woman – is tainted by sin. And it’s sinfulness, not any particular manifestation of sinfulness, that condemns us.

    Oh, and no one but you has compared the health dangers of a sandwich with the health dangers of the homosexual lifestyle. But I wouldn’t have expected anyone else to be so far off in missing my point. :-D

  • Tom Hering

    Grace, yes it’s shame that so many are blind to sin. Like the fact that all heterosexual desire and behavior – including marriage between a man and a woman – is tainted by sin. And it’s sinfulness, not any particular manifestation of sinfulness, that condemns us.

    Oh, and no one but you has compared the health dangers of a sandwich with the health dangers of the homosexual lifestyle. But I wouldn’t have expected anyone else to be so far off in missing my point. :-D

  • Jon

    Only in America is gorging oneself at a chicken joint seen as an act of great moral courage. Billy Graham has become Homer Simpson.

  • Jon

    Only in America is gorging oneself at a chicken joint seen as an act of great moral courage. Billy Graham has become Homer Simpson.

  • Grace

    Tom @54

    YOU WROTE: ⚫ “Oh, and no one but you has compared the health dangers of a sandwich with the health dangers of the homosexual lifestyle.

    Then you missed Mary’s comment @48: ⚫ “Unfortunately we all know too well that the homosexual life style is fraught with many health dangers,

    Sexually transmited diseases, including HIV/AIDS

  • Grace

    Tom @54

    YOU WROTE: ⚫ “Oh, and no one but you has compared the health dangers of a sandwich with the health dangers of the homosexual lifestyle.

    Then you missed Mary’s comment @48: ⚫ “Unfortunately we all know too well that the homosexual life style is fraught with many health dangers,

    Sexually transmited diseases, including HIV/AIDS

  • Grace

    Jon @ 55

    YOU WROTE: ⚫ “Only in America is gorging oneself at a chicken joint seen as an act of great moral courage. Billy Graham has become Homer Simpson.”

    You might peer into your mirror, and see who “Homer” really is!

  • Grace

    Jon @ 55

    YOU WROTE: ⚫ “Only in America is gorging oneself at a chicken joint seen as an act of great moral courage. Billy Graham has become Homer Simpson.”

    You might peer into your mirror, and see who “Homer” really is!

  • http://enterthevein.wordpress.com J. Dean

    I’m nowhere near a Chick-Fil-A.

  • http://enterthevein.wordpress.com J. Dean

    I’m nowhere near a Chick-Fil-A.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Grace made a really important point when she said (@52):

    Tom, a sandwich cannot be compared to the homosexual life style

    However, I think you’re overlooking the common factor they both share: buns.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Grace made a really important point when she said (@52):

    Tom, a sandwich cannot be compared to the homosexual life style

    However, I think you’re overlooking the common factor they both share: buns.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Mike said (@51):

    It might be called Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day, but it’s really Push Back Against The Gay Bullies Day.

    Perhaps. Or perhaps it’s just Shore up the Foundation of the Sterile Christian Bubble that Keeps Me Safe and Not Having to Think About Those Awful Sinners Day.

    Remember:

    Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drink peach milkshakes, you have no life in you. Whoever eats Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drinks peach milkshakes has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For Chick-fil-A sandwiches are real food and peach milkshakes are real drink. Whoever eats Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drinks peach milkshakes remains in me, and I in him.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Mike said (@51):

    It might be called Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day, but it’s really Push Back Against The Gay Bullies Day.

    Perhaps. Or perhaps it’s just Shore up the Foundation of the Sterile Christian Bubble that Keeps Me Safe and Not Having to Think About Those Awful Sinners Day.

    Remember:

    Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drink peach milkshakes, you have no life in you. Whoever eats Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drinks peach milkshakes has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For Chick-fil-A sandwiches are real food and peach milkshakes are real drink. Whoever eats Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drinks peach milkshakes remains in me, and I in him.

  • SKPeterson

    Todd @ 34 – If I support Chik-Fil-A but didn’t go today, am I a hypocrite or backslider?

  • SKPeterson

    Todd @ 34 – If I support Chik-Fil-A but didn’t go today, am I a hypocrite or backslider?

  • SKPeterson

    Todd @ 59 – You almost made me choke on my wine with that you, you chicken lover, you.

  • SKPeterson

    Todd @ 59 – You almost made me choke on my wine with that you, you chicken lover, you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    You’re funny, Todd.

    The “appreciation day” is not really of any spiritual importance, even though some have framed it that way. It’s really a reaction to noisy, but silly people who intolerantly threaten and otherwise spout off about the supposed intolerance and bigotry of people who think that it is silly to duct- tape two lamp cords together and then demand it be considered the same as, and even deemed a plug & socket system.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    You’re funny, Todd.

    The “appreciation day” is not really of any spiritual importance, even though some have framed it that way. It’s really a reaction to noisy, but silly people who intolerantly threaten and otherwise spout off about the supposed intolerance and bigotry of people who think that it is silly to duct- tape two lamp cords together and then demand it be considered the same as, and even deemed a plug & socket system.

  • SKPeterson

    Just as an FYI when Jesus said peach milkshakes, he didn’t really mean peach, but meant those who can fully comprehend fruit infused dairy drinks.

  • SKPeterson

    Just as an FYI when Jesus said peach milkshakes, he didn’t really mean peach, but meant those who can fully comprehend fruit infused dairy drinks.

  • Grace

    tODD @ 60

    YOU WROTE:

    “Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drink peach milkshakes, you have no life in you. Whoever eats Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drinks peach milkshakes has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For Chick-fil-A sandwiches are real food and peach milkshakes are real drink. Whoever eats Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drinks peach milkshakes remains in me, and I in him.

    God is not mocked – distorting the inerrant Word of God, given to us, to understand, is a gift.

    6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

    7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6

    You tODD, are not clever. I pity you.

  • Grace

    tODD @ 60

    YOU WROTE:

    “Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drink peach milkshakes, you have no life in you. Whoever eats Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drinks peach milkshakes has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For Chick-fil-A sandwiches are real food and peach milkshakes are real drink. Whoever eats Chick-fil-A sandwiches and drinks peach milkshakes remains in me, and I in him.

    God is not mocked – distorting the inerrant Word of God, given to us, to understand, is a gift.

    6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

    7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6

    You tODD, are not clever. I pity you.

  • SKPeterson

    Grace – Satire. A very valuable thing and even biblical (think Elijah and the prophets of Baal).

  • SKPeterson

    Grace – Satire. A very valuable thing and even biblical (think Elijah and the prophets of Baal).

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Grace (@65), it was inevitable that you’d reply like that — it is your MO here, of course, to always act offended about something, as if taking offense were the chief virtue or something.

    Of course you know that I’m not mocking God, but rather mocking people — people who attach too much importance to the act of eating at fast-food restaurants such that you’d almost think they believed John 6 read like that (@60).

    But is that “distorting the inerrant Word of God”? No, because everyone knew what I was doing. They got the reference, they knew what the actual text says, and there was no deception involved.

    No, “distorting the inerrant Word of God” would be like, I don’t know, if someone said that Jesus saying “If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven” really meant that they are not actually forgiven. Or if you said that baptism doesn’t actually save people, or that that promise was not for you and your children. That would be “distorting the inerrant Word of God”. FYI.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Grace (@65), it was inevitable that you’d reply like that — it is your MO here, of course, to always act offended about something, as if taking offense were the chief virtue or something.

    Of course you know that I’m not mocking God, but rather mocking people — people who attach too much importance to the act of eating at fast-food restaurants such that you’d almost think they believed John 6 read like that (@60).

    But is that “distorting the inerrant Word of God”? No, because everyone knew what I was doing. They got the reference, they knew what the actual text says, and there was no deception involved.

    No, “distorting the inerrant Word of God” would be like, I don’t know, if someone said that Jesus saying “If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven” really meant that they are not actually forgiven. Or if you said that baptism doesn’t actually save people, or that that promise was not for you and your children. That would be “distorting the inerrant Word of God”. FYI.

  • Grace

    SKPeterson @ 66

    The Bible isn’t up to being mocked, or excused because you want to believe it’s “satire” – it’s nothing of the kind, it’s mockery!

  • Grace

    SKPeterson @ 66

    The Bible isn’t up to being mocked, or excused because you want to believe it’s “satire” – it’s nothing of the kind, it’s mockery!

  • Grace

    Everyone knows when ‘comics’ mock God and HIS Word. Even a child reading the above distorted rendition knows better.

    The world watches. How many read this blog? – I don’t know, but I would bet many who don’t believe in Christ, we have a few like that here who blog. What kind of testimony do you leave when you distort and mock the Bible?

  • Grace

    Everyone knows when ‘comics’ mock God and HIS Word. Even a child reading the above distorted rendition knows better.

    The world watches. How many read this blog? – I don’t know, but I would bet many who don’t believe in Christ, we have a few like that here who blog. What kind of testimony do you leave when you distort and mock the Bible?

  • Brendan Padellford

    Grace – I don’t think he was mocking God. I think he
    was just mocking the supposed spiritual importance of
    eating/not eating at Chick-fil-a. Nothing wrong with a bit of humor…

  • Brendan Padellford

    Grace – I don’t think he was mocking God. I think he
    was just mocking the supposed spiritual importance of
    eating/not eating at Chick-fil-a. Nothing wrong with a bit of humor…

  • Grace

    Brendan Padellford @ 70

    I don’t agree with you!

  • Grace

    Brendan Padellford @ 70

    I don’t agree with you!

  • http://blog.mikeoconnor.net Michael P. O’Connor

    FIrst time I ever been to Chick-fil-a. It was full, and I was even able to find something I could eat on my diet I am on now (the chargrilled chicken)

  • http://blog.mikeoconnor.net Michael P. O’Connor

    FIrst time I ever been to Chick-fil-a. It was full, and I was even able to find something I could eat on my diet I am on now (the chargrilled chicken)

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Grace – everybody but you knows exactly what Todd was doing. Could it be that you want to believe that he was doing something else. That you always believe the worst about him, even when it is pointed out top you that you are wrong?

    That is seriously violating I Corinthians 13….

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Grace – everybody but you knows exactly what Todd was doing. Could it be that you want to believe that he was doing something else. That you always believe the worst about him, even when it is pointed out top you that you are wrong?

    That is seriously violating I Corinthians 13….

  • P.C.

    My wife went to the Chick-fil-A after 1:00pm to avoid the crowd…she thought. She waited in line for 1 hr, 45 min. Since she just ate a couple of hours ago she isn’t hungry so I have to open a can of soup for dinner. Thanks Chick-fil-A.

  • P.C.

    My wife went to the Chick-fil-A after 1:00pm to avoid the crowd…she thought. She waited in line for 1 hr, 45 min. Since she just ate a couple of hours ago she isn’t hungry so I have to open a can of soup for dinner. Thanks Chick-fil-A.

  • Grace

    KK,

    I know what he was doing, and stated it. You people might use the Word of God as a joke, but I don’t, and neither do those who value the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s not “satire” it’s foolish, and mockery.

  • Grace

    KK,

    I know what he was doing, and stated it. You people might use the Word of God as a joke, but I don’t, and neither do those who value the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s not “satire” it’s foolish, and mockery.

  • Grace

    P.C.

    That’s was a good one, thanks for the laugh!

  • Grace

    P.C.

    That’s was a good one, thanks for the laugh!

  • SKPeterson

    So, I take it we’re all agreed then that any allusion to Scripture is mockery. We can now only refer to Shakespeare, Donne, Dante and the Greeks, Sophocles, Euripides and Onomatopeia.

  • SKPeterson

    So, I take it we’re all agreed then that any allusion to Scripture is mockery. We can now only refer to Shakespeare, Donne, Dante and the Greeks, Sophocles, Euripides and Onomatopeia.

  • Grace

    The VIDEO is an EXCELLENT news piece from FOX NEWS!

    Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters

    August 01, 2012
    By John Roberts

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/01/chick-fil-appreciation-day-brings-out-supporters-more-protestors/

  • Grace

    The VIDEO is an EXCELLENT news piece from FOX NEWS!

    Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters

    August 01, 2012
    By John Roberts

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/01/chick-fil-appreciation-day-brings-out-supporters-more-protestors/

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    Which is the greater mockery to alliterate in such a way that the thing being mocked is not the source of the allusion or to completely deny that which the source is communicating?

    SK, I think we are left with quoting Monty Python and the Princess Bride, because your list is made of pagans or they allude to scripture in their writings and well you wouldn’t want to associate with them or risk mocking scripture inadvertently.

  • Dr. Luther in the 21st Century

    Which is the greater mockery to alliterate in such a way that the thing being mocked is not the source of the allusion or to completely deny that which the source is communicating?

    SK, I think we are left with quoting Monty Python and the Princess Bride, because your list is made of pagans or they allude to scripture in their writings and well you wouldn’t want to associate with them or risk mocking scripture inadvertently.

  • SKPeterson

    Monty Python is right out as they quote Scripture regarding the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

    And being reduced to the Princess Bride is inconceivable!

  • SKPeterson

    Monty Python is right out as they quote Scripture regarding the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

    And being reduced to the Princess Bride is inconceivable!

  • John C

    Grace, Gore Vidal has another engagement but sends his apologies.

  • John C

    Grace, Gore Vidal has another engagement but sends his apologies.

  • helen

    Meanwhile, my son, who is a Chick-fil-a regular, said he went to four of them tonight before he found the one with a shorter line.

  • helen

    Meanwhile, my son, who is a Chick-fil-a regular, said he went to four of them tonight before he found the one with a shorter line.

  • Grace

    1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

    2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
    2 Corinthians 4

  • Grace

    1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

    2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
    2 Corinthians 4

  • Helen K

    Tom @7 is a friend of mine!

    toDD, I’m neither for nor against Chick-Fil-A. I’ve never had one of their sandwiches. Attempted to try one on advice of DH who loves them. Only had 1.5 bite and gave the remainder to DH. We didn’t go to Fillet today but guess we should have. Pastor said in Divine Service last Saturday that we all should consider going. I’m not only lazy but a slacker I suppose. But gee, my blackbean soup and grilled cheese sandwich was tasty today.

    WebMonk @42…..my appreciation for your good taste. (:

    Tom @45…is still a friend of mine.

    I do support Chick-Fil-A though. No worries. As usual, I find toDD’s and SKPeterson’s sense of humor delightful. Peace to all!

  • Helen K

    Tom @7 is a friend of mine!

    toDD, I’m neither for nor against Chick-Fil-A. I’ve never had one of their sandwiches. Attempted to try one on advice of DH who loves them. Only had 1.5 bite and gave the remainder to DH. We didn’t go to Fillet today but guess we should have. Pastor said in Divine Service last Saturday that we all should consider going. I’m not only lazy but a slacker I suppose. But gee, my blackbean soup and grilled cheese sandwich was tasty today.

    WebMonk @42…..my appreciation for your good taste. (:

    Tom @45…is still a friend of mine.

    I do support Chick-Fil-A though. No worries. As usual, I find toDD’s and SKPeterson’s sense of humor delightful. Peace to all!

  • Booklover

    I’m hungry.

  • Booklover

    I’m hungry.

  • WebMonk

    Gonna head over to CFA for a milkshake. It’s been that sort of day. Blegh. So far two “ten minute standup” meetings got turned into 3.5 HOURS of tedium. And I’m going to be staying late too.

    A bit of sugar will definitely hit the spot. There! I’m supporting CFA! (though that’s more because it’s the closest fast food place than anything else)

  • WebMonk

    Gonna head over to CFA for a milkshake. It’s been that sort of day. Blegh. So far two “ten minute standup” meetings got turned into 3.5 HOURS of tedium. And I’m going to be staying late too.

    A bit of sugar will definitely hit the spot. There! I’m supporting CFA! (though that’s more because it’s the closest fast food place than anything else)

  • Carl Vehse

    The Civil Rights Agenda, a Chicago GBLT advocacy group, filed a homofascist Charge of Discrimination complaint with the Illinois Department of Human Rights against Chick-fil-A for its president exercising his right of free speech.

  • Carl Vehse

    The Civil Rights Agenda, a Chicago GBLT advocacy group, filed a homofascist Charge of Discrimination complaint with the Illinois Department of Human Rights against Chick-fil-A for its president exercising his right of free speech.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Wow, Carl. I read through that complaint. Not once anywhere in the complaint does the professional whiner allege that CFA committed any actual discrimination against him (or her). Basically the complaint boils down to, “I don’t feel like I would be welcome going in there.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Wow, Carl. I read through that complaint. Not once anywhere in the complaint does the professional whiner allege that CFA committed any actual discrimination against him (or her). Basically the complaint boils down to, “I don’t feel like I would be welcome going in there.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    LOL. They went to the trouble to redact out the complainants name, but forgot to block it out on the attachment! So we know who the professional whiner is now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    LOL. They went to the trouble to redact out the complainants name, but forgot to block it out on the attachment! So we know who the professional whiner is now.

  • Grace

    Mike,

    The information regarding the complainants name; it’s already been marked out. The site Carl gave doesn’t work at this time. Perhaps it’s just temporary.

    Who were the complainants?

  • Grace

    Mike,

    The information regarding the complainants name; it’s already been marked out. The site Carl gave doesn’t work at this time. Perhaps it’s just temporary.

    Who were the complainants?

  • Stephen K

    Wow Fat Pastor Rick Warren just said (tweeted) that he got a call from Chick-fil-A CEO. Sorry this is really getting stupid. Let’s see if Evangelicals can get excited about the gospel….not likely. Hey Lutherans don’t get sucked in on this one. Lame. Eating chicken from this joint will not sanctify you nor will it mean you stand for anything. The world watches and rolls their eyes.

  • Stephen K

    Wow Fat Pastor Rick Warren just said (tweeted) that he got a call from Chick-fil-A CEO. Sorry this is really getting stupid. Let’s see if Evangelicals can get excited about the gospel….not likely. Hey Lutherans don’t get sucked in on this one. Lame. Eating chicken from this joint will not sanctify you nor will it mean you stand for anything. The world watches and rolls their eyes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Grace,
    The complainant was one John Zaharakis.

    Here are the “allegations”:

    Claims of John Zaharakis

    PRIMA FACIE ALLEGATIONS

    1. I am a homosexual male.

    2. I am not married.

    3. I am Christian.

    4. I live with my male partner and daughter in a ”non-traditional” family unit.

    5. Chick-fil-A operates and/or licenses over 1600 restaurants in the United States,
    fourteen (14) of which are in Illinois, including the following three restaurants in
    Cook County, Illinois:

    a. 30 E Chicago Avenue, Chicago, IL 60611;
    b. 15605 S La Grange Road, Orland Park, IL 60462 and
    c. 935 E. Golf Road, Schaumburg, IL 60173.

    6. Although I would like to be treated equally and with dignity and respect at Chick-
    fil-A restaurants, the company’s widely published corporate philosophy, culture
    and policies make clear to me that as an unmarried homosexual in a “non-
    traditional” family unit, I am inferior to married heterosexuals and therefore,
    unwelcome, objectionable and unacceptable to Chick-fil-A.

    7. The repeated published statements of corporate philosophy, policies and culture
    have been made by Chick-fil­A’s corporate officers, including its COO, Dan Cathy;
    have been ongoing for many years; and have been re­published as recently as
    July 16, 2012.

    8. Most recently, on or about July 16, 2012, the COO of Chic-fil-A made the
    following public statements about Chick-fil-A’s corporate philosophy, policy and
    culture to the press with the knowledge and intent that those statements would
    be published in writing and widely broadcast to would-be customers of Chick-fil-A
    restaurants:

    (a) “[A]s an organization we operate on biblical principles. So that is what
    we claim to be. [We are] based on biblical principles…”

    (b) “We are very much supportive of…the biblical definition of the family
    unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we
    are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.”

    (c) Chick-fil-A’s mission is “to take biblical truth and put skin on it. We’re
    talking about how our performance in the workplace should be the
    focus of how we build respect, rapport and relationships with others
    that opens the gateway to interest people in knowing God.”

    (d) “All throughout the New Testament there is an evangelism strategy
    related to our performance in the workplace. Our work should be an
    act of worship. Our work should be our mission field.”

    (e) [W]e are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist
    at him and say, ‘We know better than you as to what constitutes a
    marriage.”

    9. As a result of the foregoing published statements regarding Chick-fil-A’s
    corporate philosophy, culture and policies, as an unmarried homosexual in a
    “non-traditional” family unit, I know that my family and l are looked down upon,
    loathed, unwelcome, objectionable and unaceeptable to Chick-Fil-A.

    10. Each of licensees, including the licensees which are named as
    respondents have contractually agreed to follow, comply with and refrain from
    rejecting the statements of corporate policy and “values” as stated by Chick-fil-
    A’s COO, Dan Cathy.

    11. Each of Chick-fil­A’s licensees, including the licensees which are named as
    respondents have contractually agreed to be part of the “brand” and
    “values” as determined and dictated by the Chick-fil-A licensor.

    12. Despite being given adequate opportunity or being asked, the Chick-fil-A
    licensees iocated in Chicago, Orland Park and Schaumburg have refused to
    distance themseives from or otherwise repudiate the “values” and statements of
    corporate policy made by Chick-fil-A’s COO, Dan Cathy.

    13. On belief, as licensees of Chick-fil-A, each of the local owners have entered into
    contracts with Chick-fil-A which require them to adhere to and refrain from
    contradicting “values” and corporate policies and philosophy,
    including, but not limited to the statements of policy and philosophy Set forth in
    Paragraph 9, above.

    14. I do not believe that it is possible for me to eat at Chick-fil-A without being
    discriminated against simply because I am an unmarried homosexual in a “non-
    traditional famiiy unit.

    15. Beginning in February 2012, has aclamantly denied repeated requests
    from Chicago Alderman Proco NJoe” Moreno and The Civil Rights Agenda to
    adopt and publish a broad non­discrimination policy which includes a prohibition
    on discrimination against anyone because of marital status, gender identity or
    sexual orientation in all aspects of employment and public accommodations.

    16. Chick-fil-A’s adamant refusal to adopt a basic non-discrimination policy further
    evidences the discriminatory motives and intent of its corporate poiicies,
    philosophy and culture.

    17. In violation of 775 ILCS 5/5-102{B), as a result of Chick-fil-A’s corporate poiicies
    which have been both diretly and indirectly pubiishecl by the companys
    executive officers, I am being denied a public accommodation free from
    discrimination against me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Grace,
    The complainant was one John Zaharakis.

    Here are the “allegations”:

    Claims of John Zaharakis

    PRIMA FACIE ALLEGATIONS

    1. I am a homosexual male.

    2. I am not married.

    3. I am Christian.

    4. I live with my male partner and daughter in a ”non-traditional” family unit.

    5. Chick-fil-A operates and/or licenses over 1600 restaurants in the United States,
    fourteen (14) of which are in Illinois, including the following three restaurants in
    Cook County, Illinois:

    a. 30 E Chicago Avenue, Chicago, IL 60611;
    b. 15605 S La Grange Road, Orland Park, IL 60462 and
    c. 935 E. Golf Road, Schaumburg, IL 60173.

    6. Although I would like to be treated equally and with dignity and respect at Chick-
    fil-A restaurants, the company’s widely published corporate philosophy, culture
    and policies make clear to me that as an unmarried homosexual in a “non-
    traditional” family unit, I am inferior to married heterosexuals and therefore,
    unwelcome, objectionable and unacceptable to Chick-fil-A.

    7. The repeated published statements of corporate philosophy, policies and culture
    have been made by Chick-fil­A’s corporate officers, including its COO, Dan Cathy;
    have been ongoing for many years; and have been re­published as recently as
    July 16, 2012.

    8. Most recently, on or about July 16, 2012, the COO of Chic-fil-A made the
    following public statements about Chick-fil-A’s corporate philosophy, policy and
    culture to the press with the knowledge and intent that those statements would
    be published in writing and widely broadcast to would-be customers of Chick-fil-A
    restaurants:

    (a) “[A]s an organization we operate on biblical principles. So that is what
    we claim to be. [We are] based on biblical principles…”

    (b) “We are very much supportive of…the biblical definition of the family
    unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we
    are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.”

    (c) Chick-fil-A’s mission is “to take biblical truth and put skin on it. We’re
    talking about how our performance in the workplace should be the
    focus of how we build respect, rapport and relationships with others
    that opens the gateway to interest people in knowing God.”

    (d) “All throughout the New Testament there is an evangelism strategy
    related to our performance in the workplace. Our work should be an
    act of worship. Our work should be our mission field.”

    (e) [W]e are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist
    at him and say, ‘We know better than you as to what constitutes a
    marriage.”

    9. As a result of the foregoing published statements regarding Chick-fil-A’s
    corporate philosophy, culture and policies, as an unmarried homosexual in a
    “non-traditional” family unit, I know that my family and l are looked down upon,
    loathed, unwelcome, objectionable and unaceeptable to Chick-Fil-A.

    10. Each of licensees, including the licensees which are named as
    respondents have contractually agreed to follow, comply with and refrain from
    rejecting the statements of corporate policy and “values” as stated by Chick-fil-
    A’s COO, Dan Cathy.

    11. Each of Chick-fil­A’s licensees, including the licensees which are named as
    respondents have contractually agreed to be part of the “brand” and
    “values” as determined and dictated by the Chick-fil-A licensor.

    12. Despite being given adequate opportunity or being asked, the Chick-fil-A
    licensees iocated in Chicago, Orland Park and Schaumburg have refused to
    distance themseives from or otherwise repudiate the “values” and statements of
    corporate policy made by Chick-fil-A’s COO, Dan Cathy.

    13. On belief, as licensees of Chick-fil-A, each of the local owners have entered into
    contracts with Chick-fil-A which require them to adhere to and refrain from
    contradicting “values” and corporate policies and philosophy,
    including, but not limited to the statements of policy and philosophy Set forth in
    Paragraph 9, above.

    14. I do not believe that it is possible for me to eat at Chick-fil-A without being
    discriminated against simply because I am an unmarried homosexual in a “non-
    traditional famiiy unit.

    15. Beginning in February 2012, has aclamantly denied repeated requests
    from Chicago Alderman Proco NJoe” Moreno and The Civil Rights Agenda to
    adopt and publish a broad non­discrimination policy which includes a prohibition
    on discrimination against anyone because of marital status, gender identity or
    sexual orientation in all aspects of employment and public accommodations.

    16. Chick-fil-A’s adamant refusal to adopt a basic non-discrimination policy further
    evidences the discriminatory motives and intent of its corporate poiicies,
    philosophy and culture.

    17. In violation of 775 ILCS 5/5-102{B), as a result of Chick-fil-A’s corporate poiicies
    which have been both diretly and indirectly pubiishecl by the companys
    executive officers, I am being denied a public accommodation free from
    discrimination against me.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Mike (@89), that’s funny. The complainant owns a bar in Chicago’s Boystown, FYI.

    Stephen K (@91), there’s really no need to call Warren “fat”.

    That said, not only did Warren tweet that, he also has now deleted that tweet. In my experience, the tweets that get deleted usually said far more than the ones that stay published.

    But that did remind me of what Helen K said (@84):

    Pastor said in Divine Service last Saturday that we all should consider going.

    Hello, moneychangers in the temple! I do believe that pastor has forgotten what his job is. Someone should remind him.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Mike (@89), that’s funny. The complainant owns a bar in Chicago’s Boystown, FYI.

    Stephen K (@91), there’s really no need to call Warren “fat”.

    That said, not only did Warren tweet that, he also has now deleted that tweet. In my experience, the tweets that get deleted usually said far more than the ones that stay published.

    But that did remind me of what Helen K said (@84):

    Pastor said in Divine Service last Saturday that we all should consider going.

    Hello, moneychangers in the temple! I do believe that pastor has forgotten what his job is. Someone should remind him.

  • Grace

    Mike @ 89

    Thank you – great job.

  • Grace

    Mike @ 89

    Thank you – great job.

  • Stephen K

    tODD
    Warren is Fat!
    Sorry fella you are sharp and you have a lot of interesting things to say but your desire to control someone’s blog (not your own) is really annoying.

    And if a Lutheran pastor told his congeration to go to Fat-fil-A in DS no less needs to re-read his ordination vows. If he were my pastor he would get an earful from me after the service. Redneck LCMS midwest hicks. Stick to the gospel guys, come on!

  • Stephen K

    tODD
    Warren is Fat!
    Sorry fella you are sharp and you have a lot of interesting things to say but your desire to control someone’s blog (not your own) is really annoying.

    And if a Lutheran pastor told his congeration to go to Fat-fil-A in DS no less needs to re-read his ordination vows. If he were my pastor he would get an earful from me after the service. Redneck LCMS midwest hicks. Stick to the gospel guys, come on!

  • Grace

    The Los Angeles Times
    Chick-fil-A protests: Will petition and ‘kiss-in’ help or hurt?

    By Rene Lynch
    August 2, 2012

    “The Chick-fil-A protests appear to be just getting started, with two new campaigns underway. (You didn’t think this controversy was going away anytime soon, did you?)

    ANOTHER EXCERPT

    “Without question, Dan Cathy has every right to voice his opinions and beliefs,” Herndon Graddick, president of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, said in a statement released to the Los Angeles Times. “But he should meet and get to know the people … harmed by his company’s multimillion-dollar donations.”

    Graddick said he was referring to more than $5 million in donations that Chick-fil-A has given to anti-LGBT organizations. Graddick said in his statement that those organizations included the American Family Assn. and Family Research Council. The Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit civil rights organization, describes both groups as being actively “anti-gay.””

    READ THE REST: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-chick-fil-a-kiss-in-20120802,0,3873417.story

  • Grace

    The Los Angeles Times
    Chick-fil-A protests: Will petition and ‘kiss-in’ help or hurt?

    By Rene Lynch
    August 2, 2012

    “The Chick-fil-A protests appear to be just getting started, with two new campaigns underway. (You didn’t think this controversy was going away anytime soon, did you?)

    ANOTHER EXCERPT

    “Without question, Dan Cathy has every right to voice his opinions and beliefs,” Herndon Graddick, president of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, said in a statement released to the Los Angeles Times. “But he should meet and get to know the people … harmed by his company’s multimillion-dollar donations.”

    Graddick said he was referring to more than $5 million in donations that Chick-fil-A has given to anti-LGBT organizations. Graddick said in his statement that those organizations included the American Family Assn. and Family Research Council. The Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit civil rights organization, describes both groups as being actively “anti-gay.””

    READ THE REST: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-chick-fil-a-kiss-in-20120802,0,3873417.story

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Stephen K (@95), you said to me:

    your desire to control someone’s blog (not your own) is really annoying.

    Um … it’s called … discussion?

    If you can’t handle someone suggesting that maybe you don’t need to commit an ad hominem attack to make your point, then maybe you’re not cut out for blog comments?

    It’s not like you have a problem dishing out criticism, obviously. Come on, engage, don’t pout.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Stephen K (@95), you said to me:

    your desire to control someone’s blog (not your own) is really annoying.

    Um … it’s called … discussion?

    If you can’t handle someone suggesting that maybe you don’t need to commit an ad hominem attack to make your point, then maybe you’re not cut out for blog comments?

    It’s not like you have a problem dishing out criticism, obviously. Come on, engage, don’t pout.

  • Grace

    The Weekly Standard

    Mainstream Media Blacks Out Chick-fil-A Story?

    Aug 2, 2012 • By MICHAEL WARREN

    “Wednesday was Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, and Americans flocked to the fast food restaurant in response to criticism of COO Dan Cathy’s opposition to same-sex marriage (as well as threats from the mayors of some major cities). The photos of long lines and traffic jams reveal the extent of the restaurant’s support–for some it’s about traditional values and for others it’s about freedom of religious exercise and speech in the face of government intimidation. There are even rumors that Chick-fil-A set a new world record for sales in a single day, though the company has yet to release any sales numbers.

    But you wouldn’t know anything about the national phenomenon by reading the front pages of most of the country’s leading newspapers. There’s no mention of Chick-fil-A on the front pages of ……………..

    READ THE REST: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mainstream-media-blacks-out-chick-fil-story_649234.html

    I WONDER WHY!

  • Grace

    The Weekly Standard

    Mainstream Media Blacks Out Chick-fil-A Story?

    Aug 2, 2012 • By MICHAEL WARREN

    “Wednesday was Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, and Americans flocked to the fast food restaurant in response to criticism of COO Dan Cathy’s opposition to same-sex marriage (as well as threats from the mayors of some major cities). The photos of long lines and traffic jams reveal the extent of the restaurant’s support–for some it’s about traditional values and for others it’s about freedom of religious exercise and speech in the face of government intimidation. There are even rumors that Chick-fil-A set a new world record for sales in a single day, though the company has yet to release any sales numbers.

    But you wouldn’t know anything about the national phenomenon by reading the front pages of most of the country’s leading newspapers. There’s no mention of Chick-fil-A on the front pages of ……………..

    READ THE REST: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mainstream-media-blacks-out-chick-fil-story_649234.html

    I WONDER WHY!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com tODD

    Grace (@98), thanks for posting that. Is there a better example of the pathetic whininess that is mainstream right-wing media criticism?

    “Mainstream Media Blacks Out Chick-fil-A Story?” blares the headline, in an article that itself admits that this relative non-story (“Fans Patronize Fast-Food Business!”) was on the front page of USA Today, the Dallas Morning News, the Houston Chronicle, and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution — you know, in the South, where Chick-fil-As are most prevalent.

    Inside some of those papers, the coverage is still relatively scant. … The New York Times has an op-ed from the gay dean at the Georgia Tech business school.

    Yeah, except that the cherry-picking whiners at the Standard forgot to mention the actual news story that appeared in the front section of the National edition (page A9) of the Times. Oh, and they’ll have another story on A10 in tomorrow’s print edition. But, again, the Standard only mentioned the op-ed. Strange.

    The Times site had a number of other articles on the story, but for some bizarre reason, the Standard chose only to count front-page print stories. Maybe someone should tell the elderly folks at the Standard about how people sometimes read news on their computers these days?

    Searches of any of the sites of the other media outlets decried for not featuring the story on the front page reveal any number of stories on this topic.

    And all this extensive coverage constitutes, remember, a “media black out”.

    Whiners. Utter whiners.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com tODD

    Grace (@98), thanks for posting that. Is there a better example of the pathetic whininess that is mainstream right-wing media criticism?

    “Mainstream Media Blacks Out Chick-fil-A Story?” blares the headline, in an article that itself admits that this relative non-story (“Fans Patronize Fast-Food Business!”) was on the front page of USA Today, the Dallas Morning News, the Houston Chronicle, and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution — you know, in the South, where Chick-fil-As are most prevalent.

    Inside some of those papers, the coverage is still relatively scant. … The New York Times has an op-ed from the gay dean at the Georgia Tech business school.

    Yeah, except that the cherry-picking whiners at the Standard forgot to mention the actual news story that appeared in the front section of the National edition (page A9) of the Times. Oh, and they’ll have another story on A10 in tomorrow’s print edition. But, again, the Standard only mentioned the op-ed. Strange.

    The Times site had a number of other articles on the story, but for some bizarre reason, the Standard chose only to count front-page print stories. Maybe someone should tell the elderly folks at the Standard about how people sometimes read news on their computers these days?

    Searches of any of the sites of the other media outlets decried for not featuring the story on the front page reveal any number of stories on this topic.

    And all this extensive coverage constitutes, remember, a “media black out”.

    Whiners. Utter whiners.

  • SKPeterson

    Well, so far I’ve seen quite a few articles about the long lines at Chik-Fil-A’s and the record sales they achieved as a results. But, to Todd’s point that is from the papers in Knoxville, Chattanooga and Nashville. I will be curious to see if there is any “kiss-in” coverage. Most of the articles in the papers mentioned the long lines and something about the underlying controversy, but they weren’t overly long – much in the same manner that an article describes an accident that caused big traffic delays or the opening of a new supermarket (we just got a Publix, with Costco and Trader Joe’s opening soon, so local grocery options are growing leaps and bounds). I’ve wondered about how the proposed “kiss-ins” will proceed; Chik-Fil-A’s are private property and while they can’t refuse to serve someone, they aren’t obligated to allow people who aren’t patronizing the store to take up table or floor space. That is technically loitering and subject to punishment. If they are outside on the public sidewalks, that’s fine. Enjoy the heat. I just don’t see that many people showing up, but if they do, I’d be interested in comparing the sizes of the crowds involved.

    On an interesting side note, today is Hiroshima Day and the anti-nuke protesters are expected to be out in force in Oak Ridge. I wonder if there will be spillover between the anti-nuke and kiss-in crowds at the local Oak Ridge store.

  • SKPeterson

    Well, so far I’ve seen quite a few articles about the long lines at Chik-Fil-A’s and the record sales they achieved as a results. But, to Todd’s point that is from the papers in Knoxville, Chattanooga and Nashville. I will be curious to see if there is any “kiss-in” coverage. Most of the articles in the papers mentioned the long lines and something about the underlying controversy, but they weren’t overly long – much in the same manner that an article describes an accident that caused big traffic delays or the opening of a new supermarket (we just got a Publix, with Costco and Trader Joe’s opening soon, so local grocery options are growing leaps and bounds). I’ve wondered about how the proposed “kiss-ins” will proceed; Chik-Fil-A’s are private property and while they can’t refuse to serve someone, they aren’t obligated to allow people who aren’t patronizing the store to take up table or floor space. That is technically loitering and subject to punishment. If they are outside on the public sidewalks, that’s fine. Enjoy the heat. I just don’t see that many people showing up, but if they do, I’d be interested in comparing the sizes of the crowds involved.

    On an interesting side note, today is Hiroshima Day and the anti-nuke protesters are expected to be out in force in Oak Ridge. I wonder if there will be spillover between the anti-nuke and kiss-in crowds at the local Oak Ridge store.

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    SKP hase a good point. CFA doesn’t have to put up with loitering within their stores, but would Chick-fil-A management actually try to kick them out? Doing that could just give the protesters ammunition to say, “See how hateful and bigoted they are? They made us leave because we’re gay!”

    Also, what if the “kiss-in” becomes something lewd? Homosexual activists shown over and over many times that they are willing to flout laws and common decency regarding public lewdness. I would that public officials would not allow that to continue if it comes to that.

    SKP, yes Hiroshima day! Anti-nuke protesters also expected to be out in force here in Los Alamos today and this weekend, and into next week. There will be no spillover to Chick-fil-A here though, since the nearest CFA is 100 miles away.

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    SKP hase a good point. CFA doesn’t have to put up with loitering within their stores, but would Chick-fil-A management actually try to kick them out? Doing that could just give the protesters ammunition to say, “See how hateful and bigoted they are? They made us leave because we’re gay!”

    Also, what if the “kiss-in” becomes something lewd? Homosexual activists shown over and over many times that they are willing to flout laws and common decency regarding public lewdness. I would that public officials would not allow that to continue if it comes to that.

    SKP, yes Hiroshima day! Anti-nuke protesters also expected to be out in force here in Los Alamos today and this weekend, and into next week. There will be no spillover to Chick-fil-A here though, since the nearest CFA is 100 miles away.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Mike (@101), the closest Chick-fil-A to my house is 350 miles away. I suppose I should be enraged at the fact that my local paper appears not to have covered this all-important story. Due solely to their liberal lamestream bias, of course.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Mike (@101), the closest Chick-fil-A to my house is 350 miles away. I suppose I should be enraged at the fact that my local paper appears not to have covered this all-important story. Due solely to their liberal lamestream bias, of course.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Lack of media coverage wasn’t my experience. There was plenty of coverage on the local TV and radio stations, as well as the national outlets.

    Of course, if NBC didn’t give it much attention, I assume it’s because they are wrapped up in the quadrennial He-Man competition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Lack of media coverage wasn’t my experience. There was plenty of coverage on the local TV and radio stations, as well as the national outlets.

    Of course, if NBC didn’t give it much attention, I assume it’s because they are wrapped up in the quadrennial He-Man competition.

  • SKPeterson

    Todd – Is that really such a bad excuse for a family vacation?

    I’m noticing a complete media blackout here, today. Nothing, and I mean nothing, from either print, radio or tv news on kiss-in protesters.

    We win! We win! We win!

  • SKPeterson

    Todd – Is that really such a bad excuse for a family vacation?

    I’m noticing a complete media blackout here, today. Nothing, and I mean nothing, from either print, radio or tv news on kiss-in protesters.

    We win! We win! We win!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    SK (@104), I’ve eaten at Chick-fil-A. Once. My in-laws (Southern Baptists, natch) insisted I go there on a trip back to Houston, so great was the glory of its fried chicken sandwich. I was … underwhelmed at the results. I mean, it was fine, but I don’t like warm, floppy, fast-food pickles, anyhow. I’m much more partial to Popeye’s, if I’m going to ingest angina fodder. And we have at least two Popeye’s relatively close to my house. Take that, Culture War!

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    SK (@104), I’ve eaten at Chick-fil-A. Once. My in-laws (Southern Baptists, natch) insisted I go there on a trip back to Houston, so great was the glory of its fried chicken sandwich. I was … underwhelmed at the results. I mean, it was fine, but I don’t like warm, floppy, fast-food pickles, anyhow. I’m much more partial to Popeye’s, if I’m going to ingest angina fodder. And we have at least two Popeye’s relatively close to my house. Take that, Culture War!

  • SKPeterson

    So, Todd, what you are really saying is that you want a Whataburger.

  • SKPeterson

    So, Todd, what you are really saying is that you want a Whataburger.


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