Obama as Messiah

The cult of Obama is back.  A big-selling (but non-official) calendar at the Democratic National Convention includes this photo of President Obama’s birth certificate, along with the title “Heaven Sent.”  Then it applies John 3:16 as if it were referring to Barack Obama!

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From Slate:  DNC 2012: Still Kitschin’.

Compare with the divinization of  Obama in his first campaign.

I’m not blaming the president for this.  It’s just a stark example of how people with a religious void will sometimes turn to charismatic human beings to fill it.   Consider the religious devotion–the shrines, the reliquaries, the pilgrimages, the raptures–that some people have for Elvis Presley.   But to divinize a ruler is especially dangerous since the worshiper accepts the unlimited power and the immunity from moral limits in the adoration of this earthly god.  Christians were persecuted in the early church precisely for refusing to burn incense to the divinized emperor.  Don’t be surprised if that becomes an issue again.  Cultures can’t stay godless for long, but the god they turn to, by nature, will tend to be a cultural god.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Robin

    This is frightening. As I browsed facebook last night, friends that are Obama supporters were talking about crying when he came out on stage. I have never felt that type of emotion for any politician yet they seemed to see him as something other than a political figure.

  • Robin

    This is frightening. As I browsed facebook last night, friends that are Obama supporters were talking about crying when he came out on stage. I have never felt that type of emotion for any politician yet they seemed to see him as something other than a political figure.

  • http://www.lutheranmessenger.blogspot.com David Rosenkoetter

    Robin, you’re right. It is frightening. And, while, President Obama may not explicitly encourage the Messiah-complex his followers dream up, he implicitly encourages it. His manner of speech comes right from the street-style sermons his community–particularly liberationists–hear on a regular basis. There’s a different cadence to his voice when he speaks as opposed to the more motivational style or persuasive oration which, say, Sen. Marco Rubio or REp. Paul Ryan uses. Obama is immulating and assuming the pose of a rousing street preacher.

    Personally, I’ll take Romney’s businessman’s presentation style or Rubio’s motivational speaking style over Obama’s rhetoric.

  • http://www.lutheranmessenger.blogspot.com David Rosenkoetter

    Robin, you’re right. It is frightening. And, while, President Obama may not explicitly encourage the Messiah-complex his followers dream up, he implicitly encourages it. His manner of speech comes right from the street-style sermons his community–particularly liberationists–hear on a regular basis. There’s a different cadence to his voice when he speaks as opposed to the more motivational style or persuasive oration which, say, Sen. Marco Rubio or REp. Paul Ryan uses. Obama is immulating and assuming the pose of a rousing street preacher.

    Personally, I’ll take Romney’s businessman’s presentation style or Rubio’s motivational speaking style over Obama’s rhetoric.

  • Michael B.

    There is an element of hero worship in political campaigns, which isn’t so much religious as it is excessive adulation for an individual. I’m reminded of Bush and especially Reagan. But this stops short of treating them like a god or being a religion. In religion or with a god, you have:
    1) A strong element of the supernatural
    2) Doctrines that you aren’t allowed to question. Why are they true? They just are.
    3) Not only asking what a god can do for you, but what you need to do to appease the god.

  • Michael B.

    There is an element of hero worship in political campaigns, which isn’t so much religious as it is excessive adulation for an individual. I’m reminded of Bush and especially Reagan. But this stops short of treating them like a god or being a religion. In religion or with a god, you have:
    1) A strong element of the supernatural
    2) Doctrines that you aren’t allowed to question. Why are they true? They just are.
    3) Not only asking what a god can do for you, but what you need to do to appease the god.

  • Norman Teigen

    This post was amusing. Thanks for the morning laugh, Dr. Veith.

  • Norman Teigen

    This post was amusing. Thanks for the morning laugh, Dr. Veith.

  • #4 Kitty

    But to divinize a ruler is especially dangerous since the worshiper accepts the unlimited power and the immunity from moral limits in the adoration of this earthly god.

    But then, to demonize a ruler is quite alright.

  • #4 Kitty

    But to divinize a ruler is especially dangerous since the worshiper accepts the unlimited power and the immunity from moral limits in the adoration of this earthly god.

    But then, to demonize a ruler is quite alright.

  • Carl Vehse

    “But to divinize a ruler is especially dangerous”

    This is especially true when one refers to an elected representative as a “ruler.”

  • Carl Vehse

    “But to divinize a ruler is especially dangerous”

    This is especially true when one refers to an elected representative as a “ruler.”

  • Tom Hering

    You don’t have to read too far at the second site you linked to, Dr. Veith, to see that it’s a satire site – making fun of the the idea that Obama is the Messiah. I’m surprised you didn’t catch it. As for the calendar, I seriously wonder if its creator, James Hickman, isn’t just an opportunist of low intelligence, i.e., a guy who (A.) heard some conservatives say that Obama’s fans literally worship him, (B.) believed it, and (C.) decided to try and make some money off the alleged worship. Another thing that surprised me was your suggestion that a persecution of Christians in America might be right around the corner. (“Don’t be surprised if that becomes an issue again.”) It’s not the first time you’ve hinted at such a thing. How seriously do you take the idea? Or have I completely misunderstood you?

  • Tom Hering

    You don’t have to read too far at the second site you linked to, Dr. Veith, to see that it’s a satire site – making fun of the the idea that Obama is the Messiah. I’m surprised you didn’t catch it. As for the calendar, I seriously wonder if its creator, James Hickman, isn’t just an opportunist of low intelligence, i.e., a guy who (A.) heard some conservatives say that Obama’s fans literally worship him, (B.) believed it, and (C.) decided to try and make some money off the alleged worship. Another thing that surprised me was your suggestion that a persecution of Christians in America might be right around the corner. (“Don’t be surprised if that becomes an issue again.”) It’s not the first time you’ve hinted at such a thing. How seriously do you take the idea? Or have I completely misunderstood you?

  • LAJ

    If gay marraige becomes legal all over the US, persecution of Christians is not far behind,

  • LAJ

    If gay marraige becomes legal all over the US, persecution of Christians is not far behind,

  • Norman Teigen

    The laughs keep rolling in.

    Remember that it is not paranoia if they are really out to get you.

  • Norman Teigen

    The laughs keep rolling in.

    Remember that it is not paranoia if they are really out to get you.

  • Carl Vehse

    The website, Is Barack Obama The Messiah?, as explained in this 2008 article is a satire site that ridicules the Obamessiah and his followers through actual text and pictorial examples of lunatic Demonicrats worshipping him.

  • Carl Vehse

    The website, Is Barack Obama The Messiah?, as explained in this 2008 article is a satire site that ridicules the Obamessiah and his followers through actual text and pictorial examples of lunatic Demonicrats worshipping him.

  • Jon

    Keepin’ the Dream, baby!

  • Jon

    Keepin’ the Dream, baby!

  • Carl Vehse

    Here’s one of the Obamadisciples. And here are more drinking the Obamakoolaid.

  • Carl Vehse

    Here’s one of the Obamadisciples. And here are more drinking the Obamakoolaid.

  • Tom Hering

    Is it just me, or has Carl become a non-stop commenter ever since he was featured in a topic here (“Luther’s ‘wise Turk’ quote that he didn’t say,” August 31, 2012)? It’s almost Cranach: The Blog of Vehse now. :-D :-D :-D

  • Tom Hering

    Is it just me, or has Carl become a non-stop commenter ever since he was featured in a topic here (“Luther’s ‘wise Turk’ quote that he didn’t say,” August 31, 2012)? It’s almost Cranach: The Blog of Vehse now. :-D :-D :-D

  • Carl Vehse

    Thanks, Tom for noticing that with recent Cranach threads related to the activities of the two political conventions, and to counter some of the usual leftist infections on Cranach, there simply have been more opportunities to respond to posts, to comment, and to provide links to other information.

    In fact, here’s the beginning of an article from the The Carmel Pine Cone newspaper, in which Clint Eastwood talks about his GOP convention speech:

    After a week as topic No. 1 in American politics, former Carmel Mayor Clint Eastwood said the outpouring of criticism from left-wing reporters and liberal politicians after his appearance at the Republican National Convention last Thursday night, followed by an avalanche of support on Twitter and in the blogosphere, is all the proof anybody needs that his 12-minute discourse achieved exactly what he intended it to.

    “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Eastwood told The Pine Cone this week. “Romney and Ryan would do a much better job running the country, and that’s what everybody needs to know. I may have irritated a lot of the lefties, but I was aiming for people in the middle.”

    Given the subject of this Cranach thread, Clint would seem to be right on target about the Obamahoax, although other near-the-top hoaxes, with the complicity of the fifth-column media, include JFK, LBJ, Jimmy, and Monica’s ex-boyfriend.

  • Carl Vehse

    Thanks, Tom for noticing that with recent Cranach threads related to the activities of the two political conventions, and to counter some of the usual leftist infections on Cranach, there simply have been more opportunities to respond to posts, to comment, and to provide links to other information.

    In fact, here’s the beginning of an article from the The Carmel Pine Cone newspaper, in which Clint Eastwood talks about his GOP convention speech:

    After a week as topic No. 1 in American politics, former Carmel Mayor Clint Eastwood said the outpouring of criticism from left-wing reporters and liberal politicians after his appearance at the Republican National Convention last Thursday night, followed by an avalanche of support on Twitter and in the blogosphere, is all the proof anybody needs that his 12-minute discourse achieved exactly what he intended it to.

    “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Eastwood told The Pine Cone this week. “Romney and Ryan would do a much better job running the country, and that’s what everybody needs to know. I may have irritated a lot of the lefties, but I was aiming for people in the middle.”

    Given the subject of this Cranach thread, Clint would seem to be right on target about the Obamahoax, although other near-the-top hoaxes, with the complicity of the fifth-column media, include JFK, LBJ, Jimmy, and Monica’s ex-boyfriend.

  • fjsteve

    Wow, it took a whole three posts for the obligatory “Republicans do it too!” Way to keep on top of things, Michael, even if it wasn’t particularly apropos.

  • fjsteve

    Wow, it took a whole three posts for the obligatory “Republicans do it too!” Way to keep on top of things, Michael, even if it wasn’t particularly apropos.

  • Anon

    #7

    So much for the cred of this place

  • Anon

    #7

    So much for the cred of this place

  • Carl Vehse

    Here are some excerpts relevant to the topic of this thread, from “Losing It in Charlotte“:

    Lee Atwater couldn’t have written a better script for the Democratic National Convention that just ended in Charlotte. The Charlotte fiasco was a less violent version of the fiasco in Chicago in 1968, except the lunacy was now inside the venue, not outside….

    But booing God will be the image from the Charlotte fiasco that will last longer than all the rest. This week, America saw a new kind of Democrat Party, one totally unmoored from the long cultural traditions of Democrats and Republicans alike.

    The Charlotte screenplay borrowed from the Gospels, where delegates weren’t content to deny God’s return to the platform only once. Three times they yelled – “NO!! NO!!” – not me, never heard of the guy.

    At least Peter felt ashamed after his three denials. I doubt very much the clowns captured on TV standing and yelling “NO” as loudly as they could feel any shame.

    The Demonicrat delegates had chosen their own Obamessiah to worship.

  • Carl Vehse

    Here are some excerpts relevant to the topic of this thread, from “Losing It in Charlotte“:

    Lee Atwater couldn’t have written a better script for the Democratic National Convention that just ended in Charlotte. The Charlotte fiasco was a less violent version of the fiasco in Chicago in 1968, except the lunacy was now inside the venue, not outside….

    But booing God will be the image from the Charlotte fiasco that will last longer than all the rest. This week, America saw a new kind of Democrat Party, one totally unmoored from the long cultural traditions of Democrats and Republicans alike.

    The Charlotte screenplay borrowed from the Gospels, where delegates weren’t content to deny God’s return to the platform only once. Three times they yelled – “NO!! NO!!” – not me, never heard of the guy.

    At least Peter felt ashamed after his three denials. I doubt very much the clowns captured on TV standing and yelling “NO” as loudly as they could feel any shame.

    The Demonicrat delegates had chosen their own Obamessiah to worship.

  • DonS

    A small minority of Americans maintain their fanatical adoration of all things Obama, but most have come to their senses regarding his humanity and flaws, as reflected in the polling, consistently, this election season. These adherents will then move on to their next idol.

  • DonS

    A small minority of Americans maintain their fanatical adoration of all things Obama, but most have come to their senses regarding his humanity and flaws, as reflected in the polling, consistently, this election season. These adherents will then move on to their next idol.

  • DonS

    By the way, after last night’s bomb of a speech, Clint’s empty chair metaphor is looking pretty apt.

  • DonS

    By the way, after last night’s bomb of a speech, Clint’s empty chair metaphor is looking pretty apt.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Okay, that calendar is stupid. It’s not even coherent enough to be clear it’s blasphemy. But it probably is.

    Still, America has long had issues with divinizing its Presidents. Have you been to the Capitol Building? For almost 150 years, our Congressmen have walked under a painting of The Apotheosis of Washington. Literally, it depicts Washington becoming a god.

    Does anyone worried about this Obama calendar maybe have a problem with this being quite literally enshrined in the place where are laws are made? You certainly never hear about it from right-wingers.

    Or what about the temples we built for Lincoln and Jefferson?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Okay, that calendar is stupid. It’s not even coherent enough to be clear it’s blasphemy. But it probably is.

    Still, America has long had issues with divinizing its Presidents. Have you been to the Capitol Building? For almost 150 years, our Congressmen have walked under a painting of The Apotheosis of Washington. Literally, it depicts Washington becoming a god.

    Does anyone worried about this Obama calendar maybe have a problem with this being quite literally enshrined in the place where are laws are made? You certainly never hear about it from right-wingers.

    Or what about the temples we built for Lincoln and Jefferson?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Vehse approvingly quoted Pajamas Media claiming that:

    delegates weren’t content to deny God’s return to the platform only once. Three times they yelled – “NO!! NO!!” – not me, never heard of the guy.

    Which is, of course, misleading. Go watch the video yourself. Delegates also yelled “AYE!!” three times. The volume of both sides was comparable.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Vehse approvingly quoted Pajamas Media claiming that:

    delegates weren’t content to deny God’s return to the platform only once. Three times they yelled – “NO!! NO!!” – not me, never heard of the guy.

    Which is, of course, misleading. Go watch the video yourself. Delegates also yelled “AYE!!” three times. The volume of both sides was comparable.

  • Carl Vehse

    tODD @21: “Go watch the video yourself.”

    Chill, tODD. The excerpt from “Losing It in Charlotte” was obviously referring to the three loud “No” votes on a motion that required a 2/3 majority vote. As you noted, the volume of both sides each time was comparably the same. The motion should not have passed.

    And certainly the voting should have been done by counting or roll call. But that would not have followed the script.

  • Carl Vehse

    tODD @21: “Go watch the video yourself.”

    Chill, tODD. The excerpt from “Losing It in Charlotte” was obviously referring to the three loud “No” votes on a motion that required a 2/3 majority vote. As you noted, the volume of both sides each time was comparably the same. The motion should not have passed.

    And certainly the voting should have been done by counting or roll call. But that would not have followed the script.

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Yes, I am going to start taking lessons on “chilling” from Carl “Fifth-column Demonobamessiah’s girlfriend” Vehse. Who is the very epitome of chill.

    I know what the Pajamas piece was referring to. Which is why it’s obvious how misleading they were trying to be in making the voice vote only about the word “God”, and only receiving “No” votes.

    Read some interviews with actual delegates. There were many reasons given. Some, it’s true, didn’t think the word “God” should be in there. Others opposed the Jerusalem language. Others thought Villaraigosa hadn’t explained the proposed changes enough or given the matter enough time. And, of course, a very large number of the votes were actually “ayes”, anyhow.

    But none of that involves mashing together playground epithets to decry Democrats, so why should you care?

  • http://www.toddstadler.com/ tODD

    Yes, I am going to start taking lessons on “chilling” from Carl “Fifth-column Demonobamessiah’s girlfriend” Vehse. Who is the very epitome of chill.

    I know what the Pajamas piece was referring to. Which is why it’s obvious how misleading they were trying to be in making the voice vote only about the word “God”, and only receiving “No” votes.

    Read some interviews with actual delegates. There were many reasons given. Some, it’s true, didn’t think the word “God” should be in there. Others opposed the Jerusalem language. Others thought Villaraigosa hadn’t explained the proposed changes enough or given the matter enough time. And, of course, a very large number of the votes were actually “ayes”, anyhow.

    But none of that involves mashing together playground epithets to decry Democrats, so why should you care?

  • http://www.lutheranmessenger.blogspot.com David Rosenkoetter

    I think the person who has long had finger on the Obama as Messiah complex is Sean Hannity, who mocks the demander-in-chief by callin g him “the anointed one.” The difference between most American presidents in their iconic roles and Pres O is this: Folks like Reagan, Bush, etc. talked of American demoocratic ideals. Pres. O talks about himslef and what he thinks Americans need to learn for their betterment. So, in response to the O…ba..ma or Yes…we….can mantras, good conservatives just tell the truth. WE did build that.

  • http://www.lutheranmessenger.blogspot.com David Rosenkoetter

    I think the person who has long had finger on the Obama as Messiah complex is Sean Hannity, who mocks the demander-in-chief by callin g him “the anointed one.” The difference between most American presidents in their iconic roles and Pres O is this: Folks like Reagan, Bush, etc. talked of American demoocratic ideals. Pres. O talks about himslef and what he thinks Americans need to learn for their betterment. So, in response to the O…ba..ma or Yes…we….can mantras, good conservatives just tell the truth. WE did build that.

  • helen

    Hering @ 13
    Is it just me, or has Carl become a non-stop commenter ever since he was featured in a topic here…

    I’ll start worrying when his posts run as long as fws. :(

  • helen

    Hering @ 13
    Is it just me, or has Carl become a non-stop commenter ever since he was featured in a topic here…

    I’ll start worrying when his posts run as long as fws. :(

  • helen

    Did they really have the nerve to put a statue in the Black Hills!?
    I hope it falls on its face!

  • helen

    Did they really have the nerve to put a statue in the Black Hills!?
    I hope it falls on its face!

  • Tom Hering

    Did they really have the nerve to put a statue in the Black Hills!? (@ 26)

    Yes they did, helen – in Presidents Park. And it’s no big deal. Take a look: http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/9789

  • Tom Hering

    Did they really have the nerve to put a statue in the Black Hills!? (@ 26)

    Yes they did, helen – in Presidents Park. And it’s no big deal. Take a look: http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/9789

  • Anon

    B-bye Obama haters. Buh-bye.

    Obama approval rating now at 52%

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/07/gallup-convention-bump-obama_n_1865156.html

  • Anon

    B-bye Obama haters. Buh-bye.

    Obama approval rating now at 52%

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/07/gallup-convention-bump-obama_n_1865156.html

  • DonS

    Wow, Anon @ 28. You know, I think this race might just be over ;-)

    You might want to notice, however, that the Gallup approval rating tracking poll is of adults, not likely voters, or even registered voters. You may also want to notice that the article you linked to specifically cautions that most polling outfits don’t even poll on convention nights because the results tend to be volatile.

    But, whatever.

  • DonS

    Wow, Anon @ 28. You know, I think this race might just be over ;-)

    You might want to notice, however, that the Gallup approval rating tracking poll is of adults, not likely voters, or even registered voters. You may also want to notice that the article you linked to specifically cautions that most polling outfits don’t even poll on convention nights because the results tend to be volatile.

    But, whatever.

  • George A. Marquart

    Reading the posting as well as the comments, I was reminded of Max Liebermann, the former head of the Prussian Academy of Arts, who, while watching the Nazis celebrate their victory in 1933 by marching through the Brandenburg Gate near his home, was reported to have said: “Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte” (“I cannot eat all that I want to throw up”).

    I would think that one does not need to poke at every bit of garbage one encounters.

    George A. Marquart

  • George A. Marquart

    Reading the posting as well as the comments, I was reminded of Max Liebermann, the former head of the Prussian Academy of Arts, who, while watching the Nazis celebrate their victory in 1933 by marching through the Brandenburg Gate near his home, was reported to have said: “Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte” (“I cannot eat all that I want to throw up”).

    I would think that one does not need to poke at every bit of garbage one encounters.

    George A. Marquart

  • Cincinnatus

    I’m intrigued by Veith’s foreboding of persecution. In fact, I think he’s on to something, but not because of the alleged divination of Obama, and not in the same way that Roman Christians were persecuted for the sadistic enjoyment of Coliseum-goers.

    Legal persecution of Christians is possibly imminent because it’s entirely likely that, within my lifetime–at the latest!–Christian institutions will be prosecuted for, say, refusing to offer abortions, chemical contraceptives, or assisted suicide on demand, for practicing circumcision, or for declining to bless/acknowledge homosexual marriages. “Legal persecution” of this nature is probably closer than we think, and I suspect the man who holds the title of President is mostly irrelevant.

    That said, let’s get real, folks: Obama is a mediocre (at best) President who happens to have a cult of worshipful devotees. So did/does Reagan. Big deal. At most, he’ll be President for four more years, in which not much will happen that would not also happen under a Romney administration.

  • Cincinnatus

    I’m intrigued by Veith’s foreboding of persecution. In fact, I think he’s on to something, but not because of the alleged divination of Obama, and not in the same way that Roman Christians were persecuted for the sadistic enjoyment of Coliseum-goers.

    Legal persecution of Christians is possibly imminent because it’s entirely likely that, within my lifetime–at the latest!–Christian institutions will be prosecuted for, say, refusing to offer abortions, chemical contraceptives, or assisted suicide on demand, for practicing circumcision, or for declining to bless/acknowledge homosexual marriages. “Legal persecution” of this nature is probably closer than we think, and I suspect the man who holds the title of President is mostly irrelevant.

    That said, let’s get real, folks: Obama is a mediocre (at best) President who happens to have a cult of worshipful devotees. So did/does Reagan. Big deal. At most, he’ll be President for four more years, in which not much will happen that would not also happen under a Romney administration.

  • Grace

    Cincinnatus

    Perhaps we are entering into the time spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2.

    It won’t matter who is president, what matters is who we have put our trust in, who we believe in as the Savior.

  • Grace

    Cincinnatus

    Perhaps we are entering into the time spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2.

    It won’t matter who is president, what matters is who we have put our trust in, who we believe in as the Savior.

  • Tom Hering

    Cincinnatus @ 31, that’s an interesting prediction. But it assumes laws will be passed that make it illegal for Christian institutions (churches, schools, hospitals) to refuse to act/provide in the ways you specified. Which elected legislatures would pass these laws? Would they apply to all Christian institutions, or only to those tied to government in some way? If all institutions, we’re talking about an extremely radical change in our laws, aren’t we? If only institutions tied to government, the remedy is obvious.

  • Tom Hering

    Cincinnatus @ 31, that’s an interesting prediction. But it assumes laws will be passed that make it illegal for Christian institutions (churches, schools, hospitals) to refuse to act/provide in the ways you specified. Which elected legislatures would pass these laws? Would they apply to all Christian institutions, or only to those tied to government in some way? If all institutions, we’re talking about an extremely radical change in our laws, aren’t we? If only institutions tied to government, the remedy is obvious.

  • Anon
  • Anon
  • fws

    okaaay

    Lets not forget that his opponent, Romney, literally believes that he and his wife WILL become a god and goddess and will create their own planet.
    Unlike Obama, Romney DOES believe that he will eventually become a god

  • fws

    okaaay

    Lets not forget that his opponent, Romney, literally believes that he and his wife WILL become a god and goddess and will create their own planet.
    Unlike Obama, Romney DOES believe that he will eventually become a god

  • Grace

    Below, a little known belief of the Mormons. Michael the Archangel is not our Father and our God. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Both are far from God’s HOLY Word.

    ⚬ ⚬ “Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later. They came here, organized the raw material, and arranged in their order the herbs of the field, the trees, the apple, the peach, the plum, the pear, and every other fruit that is desirable and good for man; the seed was brought from another sphere, and planted in this earth.” ⚬ ⚬

    A Sermon by President Brigham Young,
    Delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, April 9, 1852.
    Volume 1, page 50

  • Grace

    Below, a little known belief of the Mormons. Michael the Archangel is not our Father and our God. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Both are far from God’s HOLY Word.

    ⚬ ⚬ “Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later. They came here, organized the raw material, and arranged in their order the herbs of the field, the trees, the apple, the peach, the plum, the pear, and every other fruit that is desirable and good for man; the seed was brought from another sphere, and planted in this earth.” ⚬ ⚬

    A Sermon by President Brigham Young,
    Delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, April 9, 1852.
    Volume 1, page 50

  • Grace

    Taken from the above quote. Their god is Michael the Archangel? That’s not the LORD God Almighty.

    He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do.”

    A Sermon by President Brigham Young,
    Delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, April 9, 1852.
    Volume 1, page 50

    Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6

    There is no other God except God the Father, Michael is an angel, not a god.

  • Grace

    Taken from the above quote. Their god is Michael the Archangel? That’s not the LORD God Almighty.

    He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do.”

    A Sermon by President Brigham Young,
    Delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, April 9, 1852.
    Volume 1, page 50

    Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6

    There is no other God except God the Father, Michael is an angel, not a god.

  • Michael B.

    @Grace@37

    ““He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do.”

    I think I’m going to start using that as my signature.

  • Michael B.

    @Grace@37

    ““He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do.”

    I think I’m going to start using that as my signature.

  • Steve

    “I’m not blaming the president for this.”

    Then who do you hold responsible?

    a. David Axlerod
    b. Rahm Emmanuel?
    c. Valarie Jarrett
    d. Bill Clinton
    e. All of the above
    f. None of the above.
    g. George W. Bush

  • Steve

    “I’m not blaming the president for this.”

    Then who do you hold responsible?

    a. David Axlerod
    b. Rahm Emmanuel?
    c. Valarie Jarrett
    d. Bill Clinton
    e. All of the above
    f. None of the above.
    g. George W. Bush

  • Anon

    h. Bugs Bunny

  • Anon

    h. Bugs Bunny

  • Carl Vehse
  • Carl Vehse
  • Andy O

    “I am not blaming the President for this.”
    I suppose I don’t blame him either, but there is something to be said about his lack of response when people say things about him that are over the top. If someone published a comment literally deifying you, wouldn’t you at least make some pretense at putting a stop to it? Would YOU accept a Nobel Peace Prize when you knew you hadn’t yet done anything to deserve it? When your followers persistently tell you that you’re some kind of “messiah,” pretty soon I think you’d start to actually believe it.

  • Andy O

    “I am not blaming the President for this.”
    I suppose I don’t blame him either, but there is something to be said about his lack of response when people say things about him that are over the top. If someone published a comment literally deifying you, wouldn’t you at least make some pretense at putting a stop to it? Would YOU accept a Nobel Peace Prize when you knew you hadn’t yet done anything to deserve it? When your followers persistently tell you that you’re some kind of “messiah,” pretty soon I think you’d start to actually believe it.

  • Margo Bond

    Tom Herring @33
    It won’t require legislation. Christianity will simply be omitted or dismissed as an archaic practice and will apply to all institutions outside of houses of worship, under the guise of infringement. With that, consider Obama’s retraction of Bush’s Conscience clause, which shielded hospitals/physicians/ healthcare workers (who received tax payers funding) to deny abortions and practiced medicine according to their beliefs. While it might seems justified, the 20% of religiously affiliated hospital “could” 1 – stop taking tax money and severely reduce the amount of patients treated, 2 – shut down, 3 sell off. Christian hospitals whose physicians/healthcare workers adhere to those religious practices, could simply change profession into research, or retire. All at at time when physician per U.S. citizen = sever shortage. Also, consider that physician are not evenly distributed across the U.S. Larger concentrations are in large cities ( which translates to rural patients extended waiting times, less preemptive screening/physicals, less facilities, less immediate treatment for emergencies.

  • Margo Bond

    Tom Herring @33
    It won’t require legislation. Christianity will simply be omitted or dismissed as an archaic practice and will apply to all institutions outside of houses of worship, under the guise of infringement. With that, consider Obama’s retraction of Bush’s Conscience clause, which shielded hospitals/physicians/ healthcare workers (who received tax payers funding) to deny abortions and practiced medicine according to their beliefs. While it might seems justified, the 20% of religiously affiliated hospital “could” 1 – stop taking tax money and severely reduce the amount of patients treated, 2 – shut down, 3 sell off. Christian hospitals whose physicians/healthcare workers adhere to those religious practices, could simply change profession into research, or retire. All at at time when physician per U.S. citizen = sever shortage. Also, consider that physician are not evenly distributed across the U.S. Larger concentrations are in large cities ( which translates to rural patients extended waiting times, less preemptive screening/physicals, less facilities, less immediate treatment for emergencies.

  • Grace

    Andy @ 42

    IF, if the individual knows who the real Messiah is, they would never believe they could or would be a “messiah”

  • Grace

    Andy @ 42

    IF, if the individual knows who the real Messiah is, they would never believe they could or would be a “messiah”

  • helen

    Tom Hering @ 33
    But it assumes laws will be passed that make it illegal for Christian institutions (churches, schools, hospitals) to refuse to act/provide in the ways you specified.

    Congress only cashes its pay check. The mischief is done, and has already been done “by Executive Order”, e.g., the HHS mandate.
    [Governing by "Executive Order" ought to be unconstitutional, but has been going on at an accelerating rate through several presidencies, with both parties in the White House, e.g., see the Patriot Act (a Bush invention, which ought to be repealed)]

  • helen

    Tom Hering @ 33
    But it assumes laws will be passed that make it illegal for Christian institutions (churches, schools, hospitals) to refuse to act/provide in the ways you specified.

    Congress only cashes its pay check. The mischief is done, and has already been done “by Executive Order”, e.g., the HHS mandate.
    [Governing by "Executive Order" ought to be unconstitutional, but has been going on at an accelerating rate through several presidencies, with both parties in the White House, e.g., see the Patriot Act (a Bush invention, which ought to be repealed)]

  • Anon

    Government employment shrunk under Obama. Try and avoid the Tea Party nitwits. Just try. You can do it.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/government-employment/

  • Anon

    Government employment shrunk under Obama. Try and avoid the Tea Party nitwits. Just try. You can do it.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/government-employment/

  • DonS

    Does anybody else think the Chicago teachers union’s decisions to strike now, two months from the election, is utterly stupid, at least politically? One of the major themes of many campaigns is that public employee unions care much more about the well being of their members than they do about the citizens they supposedly serve as alleged public servants. They are now proving that point, as the kids, whom they are supposedly all about, are running loose in the streets, with no school to attend. This is despite the fact that they were offered a 16% raise over the new contract term, during a deep and devastating recession. Rahm Emmanuel, whose kids are in a $25,000 per year private school, and who served President Obama, whose kids are also in a similar private school, opposes the strike, putting his former boss in an uncomfortable quandary. And what of school choice, which both of these politicians deeply oppose because of their union ties? That option would have allowed hard-pressed parents in Chicago to avoid their captivity to a runaway teachers union.

    Interesting politics. Hopefully illuminating to a great many voters.

  • DonS

    Does anybody else think the Chicago teachers union’s decisions to strike now, two months from the election, is utterly stupid, at least politically? One of the major themes of many campaigns is that public employee unions care much more about the well being of their members than they do about the citizens they supposedly serve as alleged public servants. They are now proving that point, as the kids, whom they are supposedly all about, are running loose in the streets, with no school to attend. This is despite the fact that they were offered a 16% raise over the new contract term, during a deep and devastating recession. Rahm Emmanuel, whose kids are in a $25,000 per year private school, and who served President Obama, whose kids are also in a similar private school, opposes the strike, putting his former boss in an uncomfortable quandary. And what of school choice, which both of these politicians deeply oppose because of their union ties? That option would have allowed hard-pressed parents in Chicago to avoid their captivity to a runaway teachers union.

    Interesting politics. Hopefully illuminating to a great many voters.

  • Grace

    What are the teachers teaching?

    U.S. Department of Education: 79% of Chicago 8th Graders Not Proficient in Reading
    By Terence P. Jeffrey
    September 10, 2012

    CNSNews.com) – “Seventy-nine percent of the 8th graders in the Chicago Public Schools are not grade-level proficient in reading, according to the U.S. Department of Education, and 80 percent are not grade-level proficient in math.

    Chicago public school teachers went on strike on Monday and one of the major issues behind the strike is a new system Chicago plans to use for evaluating public school teachers in which student improvement on standardized tests will count for 40 percent of a teacher’s evaluation. Until now, the evaluations of Chicago public school teachers have been based on what a Chicago Sun Times editorial called a “meaningless checklist.”

    In 2011, the U.S. Department of Education administered National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) tests in reading and math to students around the country, including in the Chicago Public Schools. The tests were scored on a scale of 0 to 500, with 500 being the best possible score. Based on their scores, the U.S. Department of Education rated students’ skills in reading and math as either “below basic,” “basic,” “proficient” or “advanced.”

    Another excerpt:

    Thus, 80 percent of Chicago public school 8th graders were not grade-level proficient in math. According to the U.S. Department of Education, this included 40 percent who rated “basic” in math and 40 percent who rated “below basic.”

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-department-education-79-chicago-8th-graders-not-proficient-reading

    These teacher NEED a RAISE? – FOR WHAT?

  • Grace

    What are the teachers teaching?

    U.S. Department of Education: 79% of Chicago 8th Graders Not Proficient in Reading
    By Terence P. Jeffrey
    September 10, 2012

    CNSNews.com) – “Seventy-nine percent of the 8th graders in the Chicago Public Schools are not grade-level proficient in reading, according to the U.S. Department of Education, and 80 percent are not grade-level proficient in math.

    Chicago public school teachers went on strike on Monday and one of the major issues behind the strike is a new system Chicago plans to use for evaluating public school teachers in which student improvement on standardized tests will count for 40 percent of a teacher’s evaluation. Until now, the evaluations of Chicago public school teachers have been based on what a Chicago Sun Times editorial called a “meaningless checklist.”

    In 2011, the U.S. Department of Education administered National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) tests in reading and math to students around the country, including in the Chicago Public Schools. The tests were scored on a scale of 0 to 500, with 500 being the best possible score. Based on their scores, the U.S. Department of Education rated students’ skills in reading and math as either “below basic,” “basic,” “proficient” or “advanced.”

    Another excerpt:

    Thus, 80 percent of Chicago public school 8th graders were not grade-level proficient in math. According to the U.S. Department of Education, this included 40 percent who rated “basic” in math and 40 percent who rated “below basic.”

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-department-education-79-chicago-8th-graders-not-proficient-reading

    These teacher NEED a RAISE? – FOR WHAT?

  • Grace

    How Much Do Chicago Public School Teachers Make?

    June 12, 2012 3:59 PM

    CHICAGO (CBS) – “A day after Chicago Public Schools’ teachers overwhelmingly authorized a strike, CBS 2 wanted to know how much the average teacher earns.

    As CBS 2’s Dana Kozlov found out, it depends on who you ask.

    Salary figures provided by the Chicago Public Schools show teachers here have the highest average salary of any city in the nation. But, according to the Chicago Teachers Union’s calculations, Chicago teachers would rank second behind New York City.

    READ the REST: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/12/how-much-do-chicago-public-school-teachers-make/

  • Grace

    How Much Do Chicago Public School Teachers Make?

    June 12, 2012 3:59 PM

    CHICAGO (CBS) – “A day after Chicago Public Schools’ teachers overwhelmingly authorized a strike, CBS 2 wanted to know how much the average teacher earns.

    As CBS 2’s Dana Kozlov found out, it depends on who you ask.

    Salary figures provided by the Chicago Public Schools show teachers here have the highest average salary of any city in the nation. But, according to the Chicago Teachers Union’s calculations, Chicago teachers would rank second behind New York City.

    READ the REST: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/12/how-much-do-chicago-public-school-teachers-make/

  • fws

    Dr Veith,
    I hope your NEXT post is about a presidential candidate who believes that both he and his wife will be come god and goddess and create their own planets.

    Isnt that a little more wierd (and maybe a tad more arrogant) than what you are treating in THIS post?

  • fws

    Dr Veith,
    I hope your NEXT post is about a presidential candidate who believes that both he and his wife will be come god and goddess and create their own planets.

    Isnt that a little more wierd (and maybe a tad more arrogant) than what you are treating in THIS post?


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