Introductions, all around

Here we are, at our new digs at Patheos.  For longtime readers wondering what has happened, read this explanation. For new readers, welcome to Cranach.

You can read about the blog, about me, and about our patron saint (if we had patron saints) Lucas Cranach in the various tabs at the top of the page. Suffice it to say for now that this is a “web log” in the old sense of interesting things I’ve found on the internet. Also that I am interested in all kinds of things, so that you will find here posts on current events, the arts, politics, history, technology, sports, books, movies, theology, and on and on. This is also a discussion blog. That is, college professor that I am, I like to pose questions, problems, and issues in need of thinking through, and enlist your aid in talking about them in the comment threads.

In the course of the more than six years this blog has been going, we have built up a virtual community of readers and commenters. They represent quite a range of personalities and perspectives, and though the discussions sometimes can get heated, there is an underlying friendliness and camaraderie for the most part. You get to know the different people who comment and look forward to seeing what they have to say. Sometimes the community has become more than virtual, as people some to interact with each other apart from just this blog, via e-mail or FaceBook or even in person.

The other thing you need to know about this blog is that I and many of the commenters are Lutherans. I keep insisting that this is not a “Lutheran blog” as such, as we have people of many different beliefs and no beliefs tuning in here. But Lutheran theology accounts for quite a bit of the things I blog about. Lutherans have a theology of culture: The doctrine of the Two Kingdoms sees God’s work in both the sacred and the secular realms. And the doctrine of vocation shows how Christians can live out their faith in the world, in multiple ways, all in love and service to their neighbors. Lutherans also have a strong emphasis on Christ and on His atoning work on the Cross “for you.” This Gospel is not just for the time when you first became a Christian way back when, but is for every moment of the Christian life, as we continually repent of our sins and receive His grace and forgiveness. Lutheran theology is also highly sacramental, with Christ bringing Himself and His gospel to us through Baptism, the Lord’s Supper, and the Word of God. Other Lutheran distinctives flow out of all of this: the distinction between Law & Gospel, the Theology of the Cross vs. the Theology of Glory, liturgical worship, the church year, Christian liberty, and more.

You don’t have to be a Lutheran to benefit from Lutheran theology or to enjoy participating in this blog. You don’t get the Lutheran perspective much in English-speaking Christianity or in American evangelicalism (though “evangelical” is the proper term for Lutheran theology, just as “reformed” is the proper term for Calvinist theology). So I appreciate the people at Patheos for including it here.

Longtime readers, chime in here. Introduce yourselves, the Cranach community, and this blog (including why you frequent it and any customs, lore, and protocols they might like to know) to our new Patheos neighbors.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Pete

    This is a great blog – Patheos just got a big shot in the arm. Like Dr. Veith said, it’s wide-ranging topics with a Lutheran flavor and a colorful, high-quality comment crowd. SK Peterson and I tend to be the early risers in the comment throng (although his comments are typically much more substantial than mine.) Enjoy. And many thanks, Dr. Veith.

  • Pete

    SK? You there? You OK?

  • Kempin04

    Here, Dr. Veith, I brought a house warming, er, web address warming gift. (I’ll just set it over here on these boxes.)

    My name is Dan, and I am a somewhat regular commenter here. In fact, this is the only blog or social media I frequent, and I do so for two reasons. First, Dr. Veith has a knack for identifying things that are truly thought provoking, and in the second place because of the intelligent debate that often takes place here (as opposed to squabbling). I have learned a lot here from the wide range of experts who sometimes comment.

    There is a joke that circulates among us (lutherans):

    Q: How many lutherans does it take to change a light bulb?
    A: CHANGE!?!

    So, the changes of this new Patheos site might take more adjustment for me than some (like the aggressively blinking ad that distracts me when I try to think), but I will be checking in here. Howdy to the old gang, and welcome to anyone new.
    Now, let’s see what Dr. Veith has dug up today . . .

  • ehheld

    I hope this move brings many new readers.

    If you are a new reader I encourage you to check out some of Dr. Veith’s great books, which have been a great treasure for me and others I know.

    I’ve been reading Dr. Veith’s blog for three or four years. I rarely join in the discussions, but feel like I know many of the regulars and look forward meeting some new folks over the coming weeks and months.

  • SKPeterson

    I am here. I was just reconfiguring my Cranach blog settings on Google Reader. That being said, I do usually make a habit of Cranach with my morning coffee, right after morning devotionals, and comment as I have time. Sometimes, the coffee is particularly good and I have something that might provide an interesting point of view. Sometimes, the coffee is still particularly good, but I make sense only to myself, and then, only briefly.

    I am one of the Lutheran commenters here. We have a wide variety of viewpoints across the political and cultural spheres, but new readers can be taken aback when people who may disagree on many political issues suddenly adhere to the same theological principles and appear to turn round on ideological allies. Most often this will come about in discussions that touch on the Lutheran distinctives that Dr. Veith has noted above, especially Baptism and the Eucharist, as well as what I will often refer to as the “directionality” of worship.

    Finally, I am not a lawyer, but I could probably play one on t.v. if the money was right.

  • MHB

    People of all denominational stripes don’t like change. Even worse, they don’t like things that are annoying, like pop-up ads. However, they’ll overlook the annoying to remain committed to the good — like in marriage. This is a blog to which I’ll remain committed. Some day I’ll nose around Patheos and learn some more, but today I’m getting to know Cranach in its new digs. It’s worth it.

  • Joe

    Morning all. Joe here. I’ve managed to find my way and am interested to see what comes of the change. Like most of the regulars, I’m a Lutheran and see the world from that perspective.

  • Hippoaugustine

    I thought you said “The blog is moving to PATHOS.” I started pounding my fists on my desk…”they’ve gotten to Veith too!” Then I reread it…. PATHEOS.

    Whew! Same old Veith, different place. I’ve always appreciated your Ethos and Logos in this world of pathos.

    God Bless.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Ah, finally the Great Switchover.

    Greetings to all and especially anyone who is passing through for the first time. I’m Mike from northern New Mexico, and I’m a crypto-Lutheran.

    I usually make a comment or two every day, but I don’t generally have the time (or brainpower) to engage in back-and-forth like some of the other commenters. Besides, the real value in this blog is what I read, not what I might write.

  • kempin04

    Newbie question:

    The discussions on a post will quite often continue after that post has dropped off the most current screen. On the old site, there was then a link that said “older posts,” but I don’t see anything here. How do I get to older posts?

  • kempin04

    Never mind . . . it just showed up. (I could swear it wasn’t there a minute ago.)

  • SKPeterson

    I have noticed that on some of the recent posts, not all the comments have shown up, and that on others, the comments were duplicated. Issues that I am sure will be rectified in the near future.

    I will now test to see if emoticons, bolding, and italics work:

    :) , test, test

  • SKPeterson

    emoticons and italics worked, but bolding did not. test to try again. If it doesn’t work, does someone know the alternative text bolding command?

  • SKPeterson

    Success! We are off and running now!

  • sandi

    this blog is my daily coffee, Im just not awake without it-congratulations on the techno upgrade/triple shot latte

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    I’m wondering if there will be a way to get email notifications of new comments on a per post basis like at the old place. And where is the RSS link?

  • SKPeterson

    Mike – The RSS feed link is below the comment box just above all the Patheos site links. There is also another RSS link in that. Don’t see a “follow” option, yet.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Since Veith asked for intro’s – here goes. I’ve been and off-and-on commentator since 2008. I could be called a Lutheran skeptic – I am Lutheran in theology, but in a slightly minimalist way. I regularly appeal to Reason and evidence – thus, in contrast with most here, I’m comfortable with evolution etc. (I’m a geologist). I’m one of a very few centrists on the blog. Also, I’m not American. I’m an African-born-and-bred Canadian.

    Also, I regularly make fun of trolls and other whiffenpoofers (credit to SKP for the term…).

  • JVoss

    I am a Lutheran (LCMS), homeschooling parent who is interested in apologetics and the intersection of culture and faith. I rarely comment, but I do check in everyday. I love the smart, civil discourse here.

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Well, I see the RSS link under the combox, but it brings up a list of blogs and “channels” you can subscribe to. I just don’t see a listing for this blog in that list…

  • Nathan Girdner

    I’m a very infrequent commenter, but a regular lurker here on Cranach, so I thought I’d go ahead and introduce myself. I’m from New Mexico, I work as an engineer, and I probably lean more liberal in my politics than many of the commenters here. I’m particularly interested in international missions, and issues that relate to the Church on a global scale. I was raised with a hybrid of baptist, charismatic, and reformed teachings, but I find a number of aspects of Lutheran theology resonating with me, particularly the doctrine of Vocation. I usually check in on Cranach in the mornings, during my first coffee break. I appreciate Dr. Veith’s choice of topics, as well as the discourse from many of the commenters: I often find myself agreeing with tODD and KK, though certainly not exclusively.

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Oh, I found it. It’s right there in the right sidebar, staring me in the face!

  • DonS

    I am an intellectual property attorney in southern California. I was introduced to this blog a number of years ago when my daughter attended Patrick Henry College. I am a non-Lutheran evangelical Christian with Baptist roots. I am a libertarian-leaning conservative Republican, who is growing in his admiration for the wisdom of our Founders in drafting a Constitution that protects the people and the states from an enlarged, intrusive, and liberty-robbing federal government. I don’t comment so much on the Lutheran-oriented posts anymore, but I usually chime in on posts concerning current politics, government finance, and particularly Constitutional issues. This is one of the few blogs where the comments more often than not truly complement and expand upon the original posts, most commenters are thoughtful and fair, and there is a true sense of community despite disparate viewpoints.

  • SKPeterson

    Trying this feature out to see how it works.

    You are an amiable centrist KK, don’t forget that. As for me, I’m more like the pope: a Rant zinger type.

  • Bryan Lindemood

    Howdy! Looking forward to “listening” in on this new fancy site and continuing to sometimes comment, once in a while. I’m a friend of Bror, a Lutheran undershepherd, and a big fan of the good Dr. Veith and his writing. I often like to imagine enjoying a decent beer and darn good conversation with many of the commentmakers here. Peace!

  • WebMonk

    I suspect there aren’t any older posts to view, and thus no “older posts” link to follow. Once a history of posts is built, I am pretty sure there will be an “older posts” link. Look at some of the other blogs on this site.

  • WebMonk

    This site has pop-ups? Huh. Get a pop-up blocker for your browser, and you’ll soon forget that the $^%&#$@! things exist. :-)

  • kerner

    Love the new blog Dr. Veith.

    And hello everyone. Like Kempin04, this is the only social media I use, so I tend to comment here fairly regularly. I’m Lutheran, a lawyer (sole practitioner) in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, father of five, grandfather of six, and husband of (a very long-suffering) one.

    DonS:

    Now that you mention it, you have been commenting less on the theological topics lately. Which is too bad, I remember enjoying those comments. Even when we disagreed, they usually made me think.

  • kerner

    Wait! I have just noticed that the comments on this blog are not numbered. So, if I want to respond to anyone else’s comment, I have to use the reply function. Which I’m not sure I like.

    I may be the first crank here to complain. So much for pleasantries. ;)

  • kerner

    Now that you mention it, you have been commenting less on the theological topics lately. Which is too bad, I remember enjoying those comments. Even when we disagreed, they usually made me think.

    (see, I CAN use the reply function)

  • Tom Hering

    I agree kerner. With nested comments, you have to scan the whole stinkin’ page, each and every time, to find everything that’s new.

  • https://infanttheology.wordpress.com Nathan

    Hi,

    My name is Nathan and Dr. Veith’s blog is in my top three! He always picks out interesting things to post about (stuff I think most folks who read blogs will find somewhat curiousity-arousing) usually about three per day.

    Welcome to any new readers. Keep coming back – I think you won’t be disappointed.

    +Nathan

  • tODD

    “Hmm, ‘Kempin04′. I wonder if he means old Dan Kempin.”

    A potentially oblique Star Wars reference for some, but that is you, isn’t it? Are you intentionally changing your handle for us?

  • tODD

    Yeah, that’s definitely a sorely-missing feature, isn’t it?

  • tODD

    I know, I know, first day, not supposed to complain, but … yeah. I get why nested comments are popular. They make sense when one is reading through a discussion that has already occurred, and make it visually obvious who is replying to what. But, they also make it really hard, for one participating in a conversation, to find new comments. They also presume that one is only ever replying to one person or comment.

    That said, I assume that most of these things are outside Veith’s control, and unlikely to be changed by Patheos for his sake. If you could turn on comment numbering (or, he suggested with trepidation, turn off comment nesting), that would be great.

    But, in the spirit of offering a solution and not merely a complaint, I may note that we, as a community, can come up with our own standards, regardless of how Patheos envisions things should be. We can, if we agree to, eschew the Reply button, even though it’s right there. And comment numbers can be replaced by merely referring to the timestamp of the reply you’re referring to (e.g., Tom @2:03p). A bit more cumbersome, but works about as well.

  • tODD

    Also, hi, I’m tODD, and I’m a pedant. I’m also a Lutheran, though I only tend to agree with my fellow Lutherans here when we’re discussing theological matters. As to culture, I consider myself something of a libertarian centrist, though quite a few other commenters seem to think I’m liberal merely because I don’t toe the right-wing line. I’m a fairly vocal opponent of the Culture War, and the deleterious effect it’s had on American Christianity. I’m a pretty vocal critic of Republicans here, but only because they tend to be lauded by so many here. I’m certainly no fan of Democrats, either, but tend to reserve my criticism of them for places where their ideas are lauded. So I guess I’m something of a contrarian or skeptic at heart (or at least use that as a basis for my initial approach to any discussion, except theological ones). I’m also occasionally prolix.

  • Joe

    Looks like everyone is finding their way

  • Joe

    tODD is also responsible for my adding a gravatar to my handle. My wonderfully anonymous yet completely honest screen name will never be the same.

  • DonS

    Thanks, Kerner. Well, early on I was trying to understand Lutheranism better. Some interesting discussions ensued. However, I think I have a pretty good handle on it now, and you need a pretty thick skin to discuss theology, as a non-Lutheran, with Lutherans, I have found :-).

  • DonS

    Kerner, I am also a father of five. And as of June 2012, a brand new grandfather! Which is an awesome thing, isn’t it? I’m looking forward to many more!

    As for theology, I still chime in from time to time. But I don’t feel the need to query as to distinctive Lutheran views anymore, as I feel I have a fairly good handle on them now.

  • tODD

    Yay, Joe (@2:56p)! For you other regulars who want to have a unique icon to identify yourself, you can get one at Gravatar.com. Klasie, DonS, Kerner … the mysterious “Kempin04″. I find it makes it that much easier to know who’s talking.

    Joe, it appears you’re a fan of green. I assume the G there stands for “green”. How green of you.

  • SKPeterson

    Poor tODD.

  • tODD

    SK (@3:09p), what’s the emoticon for simultaneously Facebook-style-liking your comment and yet wanting to chide you for using the nested reply feature?

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    “hi, I’m tODD, and I’m a pedant.”

    Now that you mention it…. Yes. You are.
    But you’re a good kind of pedant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    Oh wait. I used “reply” for my last comment.
    Sorry…

  • SKPeterson

    tODD @ 3:13pm – :p maybe?

    I also may defer to the timestamp. It had occurred to me that it would be useful for tracking back and forth. I wanted to experiment with nesting to see how it actually operates. I’m wondering how it handles multiple responses to a post.

  • SKPeterson

    Have to try testing various emoticons – the sticking out the tongue, :P or is it :p, the happy, happy :D, and the hmmm, :| . Or the unusual :S which I find perplexing. What modernity has wrought!

  • kempin04

    Why, of course I know him! He’s me!

    And yes, moving from the somewhat sheltered private blog into the big city world of Patheos, I thought I might be a bit more reserved. Plus, I was really beginning to feel a bit stodgy and quaint. I mean, a name–an actual NAME! Who uses those anymore? So now, instead of the dowdy old Dan Kempin, I am now the bright new “kempin04.” (Which is a reference, quite oblique, I’m sure, to Red Dwarf.)

    I’m not sure how I feel about the whole nesting comment thing, though. It means that you have to scan the whole comment list every time, making it easy to miss something new. Plus, it avoids all of those wonderful response comments by people who were not referenced. I think people will be more shy of wading in on a nested comment because it has more the feel of a private conversation. (I say this for you, Dr. Veith, but you might not catch it due to the fact that it is nested.)

  • Tom Hering

    Todd @ 2:38 pm, I love a good mutiny! How far should we go in shaming people who use the reply feature?

  • SKPeterson

    You are not allowed to use the term “oblique” in reference to statements or language. That is a term strictly reserved for our ongoing discussions of advances in geometric theory. I’ll post a wiki soon, so you can have a handy reference.

  • tODD

    SK (@3:19p), well, the timestamp is only useful if we as a group are committed to commenting linearly (i.e., in a non-nested way), because then it’s simple to locate a particular timestamp. Otherwise, you’d have to use the in-page find function to locate a comment (and that’s either non-existant or annoying on most mobile browsers). And, though I’ve only seen one level of nesting so far here, I suspect that things would quickly go downhill visually, were we to have one of the prolonged back-and-forths that occur here not infrequently. You know, with the final repartees taking place in a comically narrow box shoved over to the right to indicate that it is a product of a long dialogue. Meh.

    Mike (@3:16 pm — see what I can do that the Reply feature can’t?), thanks.

  • Hanni

    Hi all, this is great! I have found out about a lot of you and also learned about Lutheranism. I am a Lapsed Lutheran, sad to say, as it is still my favorite church. I started life baptised as infant at St Pauls by Rev. Beiswanger, due to my father’s Lutheran family. My great grandfather and his brothers came from Germany through Baltimore, where my GG married Regina, deaconess at the Baltimore Mother House. Tthey drifted down to Cincinnati to seminary and thence spread out through Midwest, Illl. Iowa, Mo to pastorates. The 3 bros. I mean. My GG Johann Augustus spent many years in Sou Ill., then went to plant churches elsewhere. His last churech was Altenburg Mo, where he is buried,a stunning old church. Unfortunately I was hookedinto a Methodist church in my small hometown of Illinois, due to my mother’s conversion, later after college found out about “reformed” went to Presbyterian. When I married a man from Canada, Lutheran, I decided to switch back, as he was impossibly Lutheran. It was wonderful, I felt at home there. But, to tell you the truth, I really wasn’t too versed in their theology. I could have told all about fundamentalism, strict lists, etc., however. Methodist heritage. Anyway, thanks to all the Lutherans here ( hubby had a license plate that said “1TruChrch”, I feel like Im coming back., after reading Dr. Gene today.

  • kempin04

    “We can, if we agree to, eschew the Reply button, even though it’s right there.”

    I’m in!

    I won’t hit the “reply” button again, though I find it ironic that all of your comments so far, due to the time distortion of nesting, appear as replies. (Not ironic in a “gotcha” way, but just in a funny, quirky way.)

  • kempin04

    SK, 3:09, (in reply to tODD, 2:45)

    lol!

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    See, I did it. And before you asked, it is part of the equation for deriving the kriging estimator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriging .

  • kempin04

    SK, 3:29, replying to kempin04, 3:25, replying to tODD, 2:25, replying to kempin04 10:08,

    ok

    (I’ve always had trouble using “oblique” too directly)

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Other patheos blogs do have numbered comments – see http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/ for instance.

  • tODD

    Kempin (@3:43 pm), well, yes, when you do that it does look pretty ridiculous.

  • Joe

    tODD (@ 307) – I only like green when it is coordinated with yellow.

  • tODD

    KK (@3:49), looks like it’s petitioning time. Wonder what other features they have here. I can see that more types of design are possible.

    Joe (@3:50), those were my junior high colors (though, no doubt to your consternation, our mascot was the Vikings — yes, even directly stealing that team’s logo at the time, as schools are wont to do for some reason). Not good memories. Also, not even the best color combination from a design standpoint. Sorry.

  • Tom Hering

    Klasie @ 3:49 pm, in future, please choose examples where I don’t have to look at born-again butt.

  • http://facebook.com/mesamike Mike Westfall

    In response to KK @3:49 PM:
    Yes, that other blog does have numbered comments.
    And it’s non-nested, and has no “reply” buttons.
    So, maybe there’s hope.

    But I still would like email notifications of new comments…

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Tom,

    Read more than just one post. Nothing “born-again” about that page at all. Not Lutheran, but very thoughtful and intelligent.

  • Tom Hering

    And an edit feature.

    Oh wow. The site just told me I was posting comments too quickly, and I should slow down. Talk about a nanny feature!

  • Tom Hering

    Klasie (@ 4:18 pm), I was referring to the guy in the photo himself.

  • kempin04

    tODD, 3:49,

    I’m just being feckless, trying out the features and wondering how this format will function with a lot of comments. I also vaguely want to see how far nested replies would justify to the right, but I committed myself to that “no reply button” pledge @ # . . . earlier, so I can’t.

  • kempin04

    Plus, I want to see my new gravatar!

  • kempin04

    And, I am also curious about the nanny feature that Tom referenced. (Get a load of THAT guy–using a NAME!)

  • kempin04

    It doesn’t seem to mind me posting too quickly, though. Sorry for the experiment on the public dime.

  • tODD

    I was hitting Reply, as a show of good faith to work with the new tools.

  • tODD

    I don’t think I will do so again …

  • tODD

    …except for the next few comments, just to see how this system handles extremely nested.

  • Tom Hering

    I have no idea why the site tsk-tsked me, as my comments were more than ten minutes apart.

  • tODD

    Hmm, looks like there’s a limit to the number of replies you can have (cf. me @4:37 and 4:39). Good as far as the look of the discussion goes, but makes no sense as to the meaning of it all. The system is basically saying it will only allow four nested replies, and then you’re on your own. I’d rather we just be on our own to begin with.

    Dan (@4:30), oh, I think you’re very fecky! (Feckful? Fecktastic?) Also, I like your new Gravatar. But if you start talking smack about my father…

    Tom (@4:20), WordPress has always had that feature. Even on Veith’s old blog. I ran into it a few times there. And, yes, here already.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    That wasn’t the owner. Just a “fun” post on current things…

  • Joe

    This is most certainly true. (see what I did there)

  • Joe

    Wonder what it means that the post with the most comments is the one about us talking about us ….

  • Joe

    should we talk about that?

  • tODD

    Huh. Veith’s blog is supposed to be categorized here as being in the “Evangelical channel”. Indeed, it has “More from the Evangelical Channel” in the sidebar. But if you go up to the top, it says “Home > > Cranach”. On other Patheos blogs (e.g., Joe Carter’s), the words “Evangelical Channel” go in the middle there, like “Home > Evangelical Channel > Joe Carter”. Curious.

  • Gary

    Don’t know if it’s an issue with Google Reader or Patheos, but I only get a portion of a blog with three dots at the end. I guess to let me know there is more.

  • Grace

    Interesting site. I liked Dr. Gene Veith’s blog the way it was.

    This might be a an attractive idea, appealing to a number of people, but it appears more like a religious mall with signs blaring to every path – certainly not directly to Jesus Christ, in many cases.

  • Tom Hering

    Klasie (@ 4:51 pm, nested @ 4:23 pm), when did you get so touchy?

  • fjsteve

    Dang, first post and you’re already complaining!

  • kerner

    will it work for me?

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    I…am not touchy !!!!

    :) :)

  • Tom Hering

    Klasie (@ 6:15 pm, nested @ 6:08 pm), whew! Glad to hear it. I can only handle so much change in one day.

  • tODD

    Gary (@5:20), Patheos wants you to view the content on their site, so they can show you ads. They don’t want you to read it for “free” in Google Reader. So it goes.

  • tODD

    Tom (@6:18), tell Klasie I’m not talking to him until he stops nesting his comments.

  • kerner

    I guess not.

  • Tom Hering

    Klasie, Todd says stop nesting your comments. You’re not a bird.

  • tODD

    Another problem with nested comments is that people who wake up later on the West Coast will reply to comments made by those to the east, so as to make their West-Coast comments more easily visible to comment skimmers who wouldn’t otherwise make it all the way to the point in the comments where the West Coast wakes up.

  • kerner

    gravitar?

  • Tom Hering

    I haven’t seen a single ad here yet. All I have installed is AdBlocker Plus and Flashblock. Both are free downloads. Ghostery is nice tracking blocker, too.

  • Kempin04

    It’s funny. Nesting comments is the one thing I do not like, but ever since I promised that I would not reply, I have an enexplicable desire to do just that. Even as I speak, the reply button is calling to me. . .

  • Tom Hering

    The sinful Old Adam always wants its way, Dan (@ 6:53 pm).

  • kerner

    ?

  • tODD

    Klasie, tell Kerner (@7:05 pm) I’m not talking to him until he stops nesting his comments, either.

  • fjsteve

    No… he… is… suddenly…… William Shatner.

  • fjsteve

    You know you’re taking food out of the mouths of all the little Veiths by using AdBlock.

  • PC

    Veith Control,

    PCXIAN53 checking in, over.

  • Other Gary–for now

    So… I’m here.

    When there got to be more than one “Gary” on Veith’s blog, commenting became complicated, so I adopted “Other Gary.” But if any of you have ever visited StuffFundiesLike.com, a blog moderated by Darrell Dow, you may have encountered a random (and extremely rare) comment by “Gary in FL.” Like Dan Kemplin, I size this hosting switch as a good time to update my handle, so I think I’ll go with that.

  • Gary in FL

    As has been mentioned by Todd & others above, I’ll miss referencing the comment numbers. A well-thought-0ut convention would help a great deal. Also, does anyone know how/if HTML tags work with this commenting scheme?

  • George A. Marquart

    I am a Lutheran, although there are some in the LCMS who insist that I am not. Part of my problem is that I have led an unusual life, so I tend to regard things from an unusual point of view.

    Born in Estonia, we fled the Soviets in 1941 and I went to school for the first time in Vienna. In 1945 we fled from the Soviets again. In 1949 the family emigrated to the USA.

    I was going to become a pastor. After Concordia Bronxville, I was the first student to register at Concordia Senior College in Ft. Wayne, IN.

    Intending to take a year off, get married, and then return to theological studies at the seminary, I married in December of 1959. Our first-born arrived in October of 1960, making it necessary for me to work instead of becoming a pastor (no offense folks, it just wrote itself that way). Two daughters followed.

    I worked as a surveyor on highway construction jobs, and later went into industrial sales. For three years I went to night school in mechanical engineering. Eventually I became Manager of Business Development for Eastern Europe for the Allis-Chalmers Corp., later becoming Manager of their Moscow office (the one not in Idaho), a position I held until the end of 1984. My wife and I lived in Moscow for 2 ½ years.

    Later, I managed the Polaroid subsidiary in Moscow for about 8 years.
    My wife and I retired in 1999, moving to San Diego, where the winters are much milder than Moscow’s. We have three grandchildren. I grow tomatoes and herbs on my patio, and I give my pastor fits. He is unflappable and has not started heresy proceedings against me yet.

    I look forward to meeting new participants and continuing the exchanges with the old ones.

    Peace and Joy!
    George A. Marquart

  • Gary in FL

    Hey, I was just checking out another blog on Patheos, and guess what? It had comments with each comment/reply being numbered! Now note, however, this may not solve everything, because replies were numbered too, and I’m wondering whether _adding_ a new reply to a comment higher up results in all comments and replies thereafter getting _renumbered_…..that would be something to check out first.

  • helen

    How do you post “in line” here without using “reply”?

  • Tom Hering

    Gary (@9:53 pm), that’s similar to the flaw in the old system. A comment held for moderation, once released, would appear back up the thread, and mess up all the references to comment numbers that followed it. But I don’t remember it happening very often, and people who were paying attention to the conversation were able to guess what had happened.

  • mikeb

    Love the new site–mainly because its iPhone friendly.

    I’m mikeb, an LCMS Lutheran from southwest Missouri. I follow everyday but comment more infrequently. I’m a conservative and primarily a Federalist/founding father/minimal government type. I run a small town newspaper and see first hand how an all powerful Federal government is eroding Liberty. I love this blog and exploring the intersection of faith and culture and practical application of Lutheran theology.

  • Helen K.

    Just getting my name down here. No idea yet of how it works.

  • kerner

    if you worked at Allis Chalmers, you must know Milwaukee, at least a little. San Diego is my favorite city in California. And I too grow tomatoes and herbs on my patio, but not in winter.

  • kerner

    tODD @6:21

    ok ok, no more nesting. and i can’t use my first choice for a gravitar because it is too small to be seen. this one will have to do till i can find something better.

  • kerner

    wtf? where’s my new one?

  • tODD

    Kerner (@11:59 pm), buenas noches. Get it? No-Che’s?

  • kerner

    or maybe i shold go with this one…

  • kerner

    he he

  • tODD

    Great, Kerner (@12:06am). You went and changed all your avatars, rendering my Che joke utterly irrelevant. Fine. Now you have to listen to this song by They Might Be Giants.

  • George A. Marquart

    Kerner @ January 10, 2013 at 11:55 pm
    I actually spent most of my time travelling in Eastern Europe. Our house was in Brookfield. What I remember best about Milwaukee are the two German restaurants. Mader’s and Carl Ratche’s (sp?). I visited the latter about a year ago and had a magnificent Sauerbraten. Also, taking a group of Soviets to see “The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming.” They were amazed that an American movie showed Soviets with positive qualities. Could not have happened back in the USSR.

    Since I am a compulsive tomato grower, I know that when the temperature gets below about 55F at night, fruit won’t set. Tonight it’s supposed to get down to about 40.

    All the best, George

  • Helen K.

    Back but no success with creating an avatar. I went to the Gravatar site and chose a name and pic figuring it would show up here when I checked back. No luck. Of course I don’t know what I’m doing. Guess I’m stuck with my old plain jane until I smarten up.
    Anyway, I’m another Helen, an LCMS Lutheran of a little over a year. I highly recommend Gene Veith’s books. Reading his “Spirituality of the Cross” finalized my decision to formally join the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod. I follow the blog but rarely comment. Newcomers….Dr. Veith’s subject and comments won’t disappoint. You can learn much from many of his faithful followers. Smart bunch of folks. Welcome!

  • kerner

    or this

  • kerner

    I didn’t know they would all change.

  • kerner

    they may all change again. but those were both good jokes. :D

  • tODD

    Kerner, you’re going a little crazy with the nesting and the avatar-changing. But okay, now you’re going with Frylock, eh? I have to say, while I could see the nature of that character somewhat resembling what I imagine to be your nature … I’m a bit surprised to discover that you know anything at all about ATHF. No offense.

  • SKPeterson

    The fact that kerner does know ATHF is disturbing. I had him pictured more as an Adventure Time type.

  • Trey

    I am common commentor on the blog as well. Probably since 2008. I can’t believe it took me this long to find it. I have read most of Dr. Veith’s books: Spirituality of the Cross, Post-Modern Times, Modern Fascism, Christianity in the Age of Terrorism, Loving God with All Your Heart and Mind, and God at Work in Your Christian Vocation to name a few. I would recommend these.

    Enough about how I came to the blog. About myself now. My name is Trey. I have been a confessional Lutheran for close to 12 years now. Before converting to Lutheran, I was Southern Baptist for a few years and growing up I went to the Roman Church, but was kind of unchurched. I find that confessional Lutheranism theology represents Christ’s church, that is, the visible church on earth. That’s because it relies only on the Scripture and not on culture, human understanding, and tradition. While none of these are necessarily evil, Scripture alone should be our source for revealed truth. However, when it comes to natural knowledge I rely on logic and reason. I love studying fallacies and natural law.

    I really enjoy the blog as it sharpens my apologetic of the faith and of Lutheranism. Dr. Veith brings a unique view to the myriad of blogs.

  • Kempin04

    kerner,

    That new gravatar is awesome! I have no idea what it says, of course, since you have apparently used a microfilm slide*, but white words on a blue background? Classic!

    Trey, 8:09,

    “I find that confessional Lutheranism . . . relies only on the Scripture and not on culture,”

    Well . . . in THEORY, yes, but we are not immune to the influence of culture. Some of the things that have caused lutherans to turn agains one another are cultural rather than doctrinal. It is my personal opinion, for instance, that in our personal interaction, doctrinal unity is often despised in the face of cultural difference.

  • kerner

    SKP @7:04

    Numbah one in the hood, G…

  • Kempin04

    Oops! Forgot to add my footnote: (8:33, Friday)

    *Yes, I am part of the dying class of people who have actually used microfilm. For those who have never used it, and now probably never will, just trust me that my comment was very funny. (And still balanced. “Microfiche” would have been over the top.)

  • kerner

    Anf the fact that YOU know it is equally disturbing.

  • Kempin04

    And quit replying to yourself, kerner!

  • kerner

    Kempin04:

    I’ve been trying to change it for that very reason, but the new one isn’t showing up. For the record, it says, “So far, this is the oldest I’ve ever been”. So tODD’s joke continues to make sense.

    However, SKP seems to be able to see the new gravitar, which may be eventually visible to all.

    I had to give up my first choice because it was too small to read, so for any of you listening in the complaint department, take note.

  • kerner

    tODD @2:09

    So, I’m having an identity crisis. So, sue me. And as for knowing ATHF, this is the benefit of having children with, er, eclectic interests. But why can you and SKP see Frylock, while Kempin04 and I still see the old, too small to read, gravitar?

  • Julian

    Hi, I’m Julian from New Jersey, and I’m a lurker. I access this blog from my phone,which means it’s a pain to comment, so I only comment when it’s something juicy and I can say something that might have yet been unsaid. For this reason, I have been labeled a troll by some. Lutheran by education and current church, and looking to learn more. Discovered this blog through reading “The Spirituality of the Cross”.

  • SKPeterson

    kerner – it is because tODD and I are younger, more hip and like you old folks say, “with it.” As a result, we are able to see new gravitar updates almost instantaneously, while fuddy duddies (your generation’s terms, not mine) like kempin are still fumbling around with stick figures.

  • Tom Hering

    Yeah, what’s with the white frame around the avatars? It’s a waste of extremely limited visual space, and makes everyone’s avatar indiscernible. I say make ‘em 50% bigger than the current avatar space + frame. Avatars are at least that large on lots of sites.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Nice :)

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Hello, Todd!

  • kerner

    Who is adventure time?

  • BW

    Hi,

    I’m BW and I’m mostly a lurker, mainly because by the time I get home from work and dig into the blog, someone’s already said what I would’ve said about a particular article. It’s great though because I find myself agreeing with all sorts of people that read this blog. I’ve been reading for a few years now. Looks like getting an avatar is now the cool thing to do, so I guess I should create one myself.

  • kerner

    Alas, tomatoes are my weak point. I do much better with herbs and peppers and fruit. But my failure to produce a reliable tomato crop is a thorn in my side.

    I have a good friend who lives in Santee, and both my sons trained at Camp Pendleton, and this has given me the opportunity to visit San Diego. A beautiful city.

  • SKPeterson

    kerner – Adventure Time with Finn & Jake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_Time

    Old people. O>O

  • Abby

    It would be great to have a button which would take you to the bottom quicker. On the old site it was called the “add one” (comment) button.

  • helen

    The button is on your computer.
    It’s labeled “End”. :)

  • Abby

    Thanks Helen! I am technologically illiterate!

  • Rose

    Hi,
    I’m an old lady.
    Along with Grace, Helen and Abby, I try to give some women’s perspectives.
    I’m a Latter Day Lutheran, having been Baptist, Presbyterian, Covenanter and LCA Lutheran back in the day. Dr Veith’s great writings on postmodernism gave me answers I sought in the 90s.
    I’m known to take potshots occasionally to stir conversation; thankfully, they’re usually short.

  • Abby

    Dr Veith, It makes me think you moved to Las Vegas everytime I log in to this website! :)

  • http://n/a DoIHaveToGiveTheRealOne?

    Now that I read all this, I can’t remember how I found this blog …. but it looks like fun … probably too much fun for an old guy like me.

  • rvs

    I’m happy to know of this blog, and–if all goes well–I will work a reference to Melanchthon into a response at some point down the road. God bless.


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