Second bomber captured

From Fox News:

BREAKING: A day-long dragnet for the second of two brothers believed to be behind Monday’s Boston Marathon bombing ended Friday night, with police capturing the suspect covered in blood and hiding in a boat in the backyard of a man who called 911 after become suspicious of activity on his property.

“We got him,” Boston Mayor Tom Menino tweeted moments later, as neighbors gathered to form a gauntlet of cheers while a phalanx of police cars departed the scene.

Police moved in on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Friday evening after tip led them to the home on Franklin Street, where he apparently had been hiding in the back yard. Neighbors said they heard more than 30 shots one likened to “a roll of firecrackers shooting off.” Police swarmed the scene, and several explosions, possibly police concussion grenades, were heard after a robot moved in on the boat. Less than two hours later, at about 9 p.m., the suspect, believed to have been injured in a wild shootout that spanned Thursday night to Friday morning, was being taken to Massachusetts General Hospital.

“We are so grateful to bring justice and to bring closure to this case,” Massachsetts State Police Col. Tim Alben said moments later, at a staging area set up down the block from the crime scene. “We have a suspect in custody.”

Sources told Fox News the shed and the boat had been searched earlier, but a local man noticed a door to it had been opened, saw blood on the tarp and called police.

“It was a call from a resident of Watertown,” Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau said. “We got that call, and we got the guy.”

Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis said Tsarnaev was in serious condition and was found “covered with blood.” He did not come out from inside the boat willingly, despite the efforts of negotiators, Davis said.

“We assume that those injuries came from the gunfire the night before,” Davis said. He also said Tsarnaev did not have any explosives with him when he was taken into custody.

The hiding place was found just moments after police said their hunt for Tsarnaev, one of two radical Muslim brothers suspected in Monday’s attack, had gone cold and urged people to “go about your business.”

via ‘We got him!’ Second marathon suspect in custody after tense standoff | Fox News.

About Gene Veith

Professor of Literature at Patrick Henry College, the Director of the Cranach Institute at Concordia Theological Seminary, a columnist for World Magazine and TableTalk, and the author of 18 books on different facets of Christianity & Culture.

  • Grace

    We have watched the entire event from CNN and FOX, they did an excellent job. I would however, encourage everyone to read the other blog especially, Carls post @ 24 on, “News & updates” –
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2013/04/news-updates/

    There are other LINKS as well, in that article.

  • Helen K.

    We watched most of the reporting from Fox and CNN. After they said the young man was taken into custody, I turned off the TV. I’d had enough. Haven’t turned it on again so you folks are updating me. I find it very, very sad realizing this 19 year-old youth has ruined his life. Yes, it’s his fault and he made a choice. It’s still sad. I always think of criminals as being someone’s tiny infant when they were born years before. May the Lord have mercy. Lord Jesus, come quickly.

  • Grace

    Helen K

    ” It’s still sad. I always think of criminals as being someone’s tiny infant when they were born years before.”

    If you can’t get past “criminals as being someone’s tiny infant” – what on earth will you do if you’re the victim, your family has been struck? – or what do you say to those who have lost their child, friend, husband or wife to a hateful crime? Will you just remind them that the evil this person has perpetrated on them was an infant at one time? We were all infants long ago.

    People who do these things are evil, they aren’t little infants to be coddled, they ruin lives.

    3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

    4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
    Psalms 58

  • Helen K.

    You misunderstand me, Grace. It’s not a matter of “getting past the fact that they were someone’s tiny babies” long ago. I simply find it sad that people grow up and make bad decisions. Nobody wants to “coddle” them when the crime has been committed. It’s only the realization that their life could have been different. Do you believe in predestination, a limited atonement, double predestination? I had never heard of the limited atonement until I happened into a conservative Presyterian church several years ago. I couldn’t believe my ears although after reading some of their literature, I understood their reasoning. Is anyone exempt from the grace of God? Yes, we are all born with the sin nature and Christ came and gave His life to redeem us. Did he die for all of humankind or only the elect? People will argue about that until the Lord returns again.
    Anyway, of course if any of my family or friends was the victim of a horrendous crime I wouldn’t remind them that the perpertrator was once someone’s baby. There would be no need to. I would give them all the support I was capable of. I simply feel compassion for another human being. Always have, always will.

  • Grace

    Helen K

    I don’t attend or belong to a “Presyterian church” – more importantly, that isn’t what this is about, nor is “double predestination” – I’m not going to get into a discussion about Presbyterian doctrine, it has nothing to do with those who follow evil, kill, hurt others, and take away their lives.

    ” I simply feel compassion for another human being.”

    You can feel whatever you like Helen – I am not going to worry about those who do evil, ruin others lives, then die. There isn’t one thing I can do for an evil dead person. There are many who will die because they have shut Christ out, and invited another into their life, which isn’t of God ALMIGHTY.

    14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    Mathew 7

    “few there be that find it.” – who are the “false prophets” ? – who are the wolves? – The “fruit” Helen is KEY, those who are evil!

  • Pete

    “You can feel whatever you like Helen – I am not going to worry about those who do evil, ruin others lives, then die. ”

    May I highly recommend Christianity: a religion whose Founder actually did worry about “those who do evil”. More than worry, actually.

  • Helen K.

    Thank you Pete. I had something more to say but didn’t get to it. Maybe later. I tremble to think where we would all be if our loving Father didn’t care for all His creation. I didn’t make myself clear about the doctrine of election and predestinaton as it could relate to evil-doers. God is just but He is also Love. There is a scripture verse that I can’t quote from memory. Something about taking no delight in the death of our enemies. Is anyone beyond the love of God? I don’t think so.

  • SKPeterson

    I have to be honest and say I am just as concerned (maybe in the long run even more so) by scenes like this:
    http://shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Boston-martial-law1.jpg. There’s law and order, and then there’s the makings of a pretty good little police state.

  • Helen K.

    SKPeterson, Indeed.

  • Tom Hering

    SK @ 8, what you’re looking at in that picture is a result of America’s new security businesses hawking their wares at police conventions. These departments have to spend their federal anti-terrorist funds on something. So AR-15 rifles, body armor, and Kevlar helmets. Not to mention armored vehicles and robots. And drones, too, before long, I’d guess. The days when local police were backed up by state troopers with shotguns are gone.

    As a teen in the late ’60s and early ’70s, I helped out on a college underground newspaper, and I distinctly remember a comic strip it ran, which detailed a future, totalitarian America. Cameras everywhere, on buildings and streetlamps. Police dressed in helmets, with machine guns and tanks. It seemed like leftist exaggeration at the time. But it did, at least, get the look of the future right. And it still creeps me out.

  • Tom Hering

    Yesterday also reminded me somewhat of the Schwarzenegger movie, The Running Man. Or that scene in Fahrenheit 451 where Montag is on the run, and citizens are told to stand at the door of their homes and watch for him. I especially thought of that scene when I read how people, using social media, tried to aid law enforcement in identifying the bombers – and how they made a truly scary mess of it. I wonder if, in the long run, freedom is the last thing the internet will have proved to further.

  • Hanni

    Helen thanks for the expression of compassion for the young man, I was going today the same thing. He reminds me of my son at that age, we need to pray for him. Christ had empathy and so should we.

  • larry

    One of the ironies is that it was the immorality they saw that drove them to “purify ” by this act. A statement quoted several times by them, no more moral standards. That is the way with law religions. Its irony is it leads to outward murderer or murderer in the hearts, not caring, hate, etc as Jesus said. This is the way it is with lawish religions that do not have God saying to one “I forgive you “. Some hide the hearts murderer others eventually lead to the hands acting. Religions that basically see God as ALMIGHTY are really no different than those screaming ALLAH IS GREAT. The connection is obvious. That’s very different than the Cross religion that has God crying “Father forgive them they know not what they do.”

  • sg

    I distinctly remember a comic strip it ran, which detailed a future, totalitarian America. Cameras everywhere, on buildings and streetlamps.

    This is pretty accurate. They caught the guys’ images on surveillance cameras, which are now ubiquitous.

    The trappings of a low trust society.

  • Rose

    Why is it that Muslim Chechnyans can emigrate to the United States–but if I want to invite a Polish Catholic friend for a summer visit I must pay $15K surety?
    A religious war has been declared against us. We would do well to recognize it.

  • Carl Vehse

    Do you really you think these two goofballs, including a teenager who ran over his own brother, were sophisticated enough to plan, obtain the explosives, supplies, and electronics, assemble, and then deliver two electronically detonated bombs all on their own? And no escape plan for getting out of Boston?

    These two were expendable delivery boys for some islamoterrorist group.

  • SKPeterson

    Carl @ 16 – Based upon the actual evidence we have at hand, the answer is Yes.

  • sg

    What will he be charged with? Will the case be state or federal? Why?

  • Grace

    Rose @ 15

    “A religious war has been declared against us. We would do well to recognize it.”

    You’re right, but that’s not what some, meaning most on this blog are willing to see. Tnere are only a few who recognize what you have stated. For the most part it’s ‘ROSE TINTED glasses.

    As you can read, there is very little comment of sorrow for those who have lost loved ones, or still in hospital – 25 to 30 losing legs. It’s all about the once infancy of the evil ones, and their well being.

    There is no trust, for those who plan and strive to harm, kill and mame others. Thankfully we have technology that is capable of taking their images on film, so we have some idea who they might be, apprend them and spare others from such a dreadful fate.

  • Grace

    Carl @ 16

    We may never know to what extent those two were helped. I doubt they did it all on their own, but you never know.

    My post @ 37 posted April 16th.

    “Explosions at the Boston Marathon”

    April 16, 2013 By Gene Veith

    New issue of magazine offers jihadists terror tips
    From the CNN Wire Staff
    October 12, 2010 1:25 p.m. EDT

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2013/04/explosions-at-the-boston-marathon/#comments

  • Grace

    My second post @ 40 ( SAME BLOG and LINK ABOVE ) regarding “Inspire Magazine” – it’s now being talked about on FOX news.

    Notice the article posted @ 37 was about Inspire magazine published in July 2010.

    The Washington Free Beacon

    Al Qaeda Link Probed
    Al Qaeda investigated in Boston blasts

    BY: Bill Gertz
    April 16, 2013 3:11 pm
    “Law enforcement and intelligence authorities investigating the Boston terror bombings suspect al Qaeda terrorists were behind the blasts that killed three and injured scores although so far there is no firm evidence.

    A U.S. official familiar with briefings on the probe into the blast said investigators remain stymied in determining who was behind the bombings near the finish line of the Boston Marathon Monday.

    ANOTHER EXCERPT:

    “Al Qaeda’s first issue of Inspire magazine published in July 2010 contained an article on how to construct a bomb in a kitchen that will be undetectable to sniffer dogs.

    The article, headlined “Make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom,” urges jihadists in the United States and Europe to “work inside the West such as the operations of Nidal Hassan and Faisal Shazad”—the Islamist attacker in the U.S. military who conducted the Fort Hood shooting and the failed Times Square bomber, respectively.”

    http://freebeacon.com/al-qaeda-link-probed/

    AGAIN, read the entire article.

  • Tom Hering

    Rose @ 15, why shouldn’t Muslims be allowed to immigrate? As for your Catholic friend, it has nothing to do with his/her religion, but with doubts that he/she has enough incentives to guarantee his/her return to Poland. No one in their right mind believes the U.S. has a policy of refusing B-2 visas to Catholics, much less that the U.S. is waging a religious war against them. Which I guess explains why Grace believes it’s true. :-D

  • Grace

    Tom

    “No one in their right mind believes the U.S. has a policy of refusing B-2 visas to Catholics, much less that the U.S. is waging a religious war against them. Which I guess explains why Grace believes it’s true.”

    Don’t twist it up Tom, even if it’s difficult for you to understand. I didn’t mention Catholics.

  • Grace

    SKP @ 8

    The photo you offered up at post 8, is in response to those who make bombs, detonate them, killing and hurting others. We need such protection in the U.S. from those who wish us harm. Fortunately for us, we have those who are up to the task of apprehending those who do such crimes, with all the material the need -

  • Tom Hering

    We need such protection in the U.S. from those who wish us harm.

    It would appear we really don’t. The suspects were determined the old-fashioned way, from a description given by one of the bombing victims, that was then compared with security video from … a department store. The older brother was killed in a shootout with regular police. The younger brother was found by an elderly citizen who went out into his backyard, after the lockdown was relaxed, and tactical units had finished their massive door-to-door search. Heck, even the capture could have been handled by regular officers.

  • Grace

    “The younger brother was found by an elderly citizen who went out into his backyard, after the lockdown was relaxed, and tactical units had finished their massive door-to-door search. Heck, even the capture could have been handled by regular officers.”

    No Tom, that is nothing but ‘simplistic thinking, IF you bring into the equation, the IMPORTANT point – these two men used bombs to kill and badly injure. No one knew what the younger would do. They still had bombs – You make no sense.

    Read the whole story from the Daily Mail, there are a number of photos as well.

    ‘Terrorista#1′: Bragging license plate on BMW belonging to friends of captured Boston bomber who were arrested along with another woman in dramatic raid

    By Daniel Bates In Boston, Massachusetts
    PUBLISHED: 10:51 EST, 20 April 2013

    “The two men arrested last night in connection with the Boston Marathon bombings drive a car with the licence plate that reads: ‘Terrorista #1’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312123/Boston-latest-Terrorista-1-license-plate-friends-Boston-bomber-arrested-female.html

  • sg

    Rose @ 15, why shouldn’t Muslims be allowed to immigrate?

    Let’s see. If we had no Muslim immigrants, then we would have no subset of them committing acts of terrorism and killing our people. Our people’s lives are more important than allowing the 99.9% of nice Muslims the opportunity to come to the United States. Seems like a reasonable argument. None of those nice people denied entrance to the United States are in any way harmed by such a policy. Any unhappiness they may have in their own countries is the fault of folks in that country, not this one.

  • fjsteve

    So now it comes out that the Fed was tipped off by a “foreign government” about the older brother but the Fed said it didn’t find anything on him and that they have strict limits for investigating American citizens that kept them from keeping a file on him.

    Anyone see where this is going?

  • Grace

    jsteve @ 28

    Why don’t you give us your take, rather than asking a question.

  • Carl Vehse

    More strangeness –

    In the Daily Mail report, “‘Terrorista#1′: Bragging license plate on BMW belonging to friends of captured Boston bomber who were arrested along with another woman in dramatic raid,” the last three paragraphs note:

    Two Russian speaking men in their early 20s later arrived at the apartment and told reporters they were journalists from the Boston Globe.

    They then entered the apartment through an unlocked patio door. When asked what they were doing they said: ‘We are friends of theirs. They are talking, they are talking’ and closed the door.

    When MailOnline rang the City desk of the Boston Globe, a man said: ‘We’re very busy right now. Consider us informed’.

  • Grace

    Carl @ 30

    That’s the same LINK I posted @ 26, regarding the license plate ‘Terrorista#1′ -

  • Grace

    Few Chechen immigrants make it to U.S.
    The Chechen people: A fierce resistance

    Jodi Upton and Paul Overberg, USA TODAY10:43 a.m. EDT April 20, 2013

    Resistance is a consistent thread running through Chechnya’s complicated history: against Mongol hordes, against Turkic fighters, against Russian troops. Chechens are variously seen as valorous defenders of their beleaguered homeland and as vile terrorists. The Chechen roots of the two Boston Marathon bombing suspects has drawn new attention to Chechen identity”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/chechens-immigrants-us-population/2097065/

  • fjsteve

    Grace @ 29,

    My take? What happened after 9/11? There will be congressional hearings into the failures of government agencies to prevent this tragedy which will lead to new legislation broadening these agencies’ powers to investigate American citizens.

    After all, if it will save just one life in the future from such a tragedy, isn’t it worth it?

    That last bit was rhetorical. Again, just my opinion.

  • Grace

    fjsteve 33

    “My take? What happened after 9/11? There will be congressional hearings into the failures of government agencies to prevent this tragedy which will lead to new legislation broadening these agencies’ powers to investigate American citizens. “

    The biggest problem is IMMIGRATION meaning; both our northern border and southern border, then those countries who are involved with terror threats to the United States. Putting a moratorium on immigration for the next 4 years would not eliminate the problems, but it would most definitely, make it far more tougher to make war within the United States, be it planes flying into buildings, or people building bombs, or any other activity to harm, and kill the citizens of our country.

    Our prisons are FILLED with those who were born from below the border, we need to take strong steps, to stop this ever flowing criminal element from coming to this country. That means NO ILLEGAL will be allowed to stay, or receive citizenship. That is the price for not waiting their turn.

    Our OWN PEOPLE need to be protected. Their safety is to be considered FIRST, not last, or somewhere in the middle. Most of the citizens of this country, meaning (men, and a number of women) have served in the military. This country has helped many nations, with military power, money, hospital care in their own land.

    When are we going to make our borders safe?

    When are we going to refuse those who come from ‘terrorist countries NO ENTRANCE.

    When are we going to refuse those who come from countries where the majority of illegals cross the border, NO ENTRANCE, NO CITIZENSHIP. Once they have crossed illegally, they have lost their right to stay, and most certainly citizenship.

  • sg

    “That means NO ILLEGAL will be allowed to stay, or receive citizenship. That is the price for not waiting their turn.”

    It is also a penalty that doesn’t hurt them in any way. They just get sent home where they belong anyway. They end up the same as their law abiding fellow countrymen back home who didn’t come to the US because they didn’t have permission. Deporting people is really no penalty at all. It is no different from recovering stolen property from a thief. A thief certainly is not injured when the police recover from him the property he stole.

  • fjsteve

    Grace,

    Is immigration the problem or is illegal immigration the problem? Those terms aren’t interchangeable. In either case, I guess I don’t see how a four year moratorium would have prevented the Boston bombings. Both perpetrators were here legally for well over 4 years. Moreover, they were neither from a country with whom we have had past immigration problems nor with whom we have had past terrorism problems. In fact, Mohammad Atta and most of the 9/11 perpetrators were here on tourist visas, not as immigrants. Anwar al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico. Nidal Hasan was born in Virginia. Jose Padilla was born in New York.

    Putting a 4 year moratorium on immigration seems to me like a stunt than a solution. Kind of akin to protesting gas prices by not buying gas for a day.

  • Grace

    fjsteve @ 36
    YOU WROTE: – - “Is immigration the problem or is illegal immigration the problem?”

    BOTH – one is illegal – the other is allowing those who come from countries who advocate terrorism.

    YOU WROTE: – - “Moreover, they were neither from a country with whom we have had past immigration problems nor with whom we have had past terrorism problems.” – -

    WRONG – I explained it all in my post @ 34, which appears you didn’t read.

    Read the post at 32, including the article in the LINK. There you will find in the body of the report from USA Today:

    “One suspect in the Boston marathon bombing was a naturalized U.S. citizen and both claimed Chechen heritage. It’s rare for ethnic Chechens, especially men, to be granted asylum in the USA”

    Another excerpt:
    “About 70% of the Chechen immigrants are women, Howard says. Very few men are granted asylum because of U.S. anti-terrorism policies and because Russia often protests when ethnic Chechens try to settle in the U.S., he said. The U.S. admitted only 197 refugees from all of Russia in 2012.”

    There is much more.

  • Grace

    SG @ 35

    GREAT POINTS!

  • tODD

    Can we forcibly deport hysterical reactionary women (and pseudonym-using men who write like them) from our country? I think that would make us all safer.

  • Shadow (formerly CW2)

    Sg @ 14,
    …”The trappings of a low trust society”

    A low trust society is what you get when you have society afflicted by ungovernable diversity.I offer the following quote from a 2007 article written by Steve Sailer,in which he discusses a report,”E Pluribus Unum:Diversity and Community in the 21st Century”,by social scientist Robert Putnam:

    …”In the presence of (ethnic) diversity,we hunker down.We act like turtles.The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined.And it’s not just that we don’t trust people who are not like us.In diverse communities,we don’t trust people who do look like us”…

    Read the rest at:

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/paging-dr-putnam-paging-dr-putnam

    See also:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/robert-putnam-diversity-is-our-destruction

  • BW

    The Boston bombers were ethnic Chechens but were not born in Chechnya. They were born in Dagestan, then lived in Kyrgyzstan, but were here at young ages. Their uncle has moved his family over here to Maryland and is living peacefully. And what countries are “terrorist countries?”

    I think there could be a discussion about illegal immigration concerns in regards to terrorism, but I don’t see how immigration policy is relevant to this particular case. As fjsteve points out, these folks had “stood in line” and followed the law. Their parents had gone back to Russia.

  • Shadow (formerly CW2)

    Rose @ 15,

    “…religious war…”

    This is part and parcel of the ongoing effort by Cultural Marxists to undermine and destroy our nation.”Immigrants” from Muslim lands(as well as immigrants from other 3rd World cesspools)are seen as reliable proxies in their strategy of divide and conquer .

    Ending mass immigration as we know it,with very few exceptions being made for those who would truly benefit our nation,would go a long way towards crippling their malevolent ambitions.

  • Carl Vehse

    Related to my earlier comment in @16, a Daily Mirror article, “Boston bombers: FBI hunting 12-strong terrorist ‘sleeper cell’ linked to brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev,” reports:

    The FBI was last night hunting a 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to the Boston marathon bomb brothers.

    Police believe Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were specially trained to carry out the devastating attack.

    More than 1,000 FBI operatives were last night working to track down the cell and arrested a man and two women 60 miles from Boston in the hours before Dzhokhar’s dramatic capture after a bloody shootout on Friday.

    A source close to the investigation said: “We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.

    “They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were.”

    A specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators was yesterday flown to a Boston hospital to grill wounded Dzhokhar, 19, about the secret group.

    If the interrogation specialists are going to grill Dzokhar (one extremity at a time?), they may use some pork-based barbeque sauce.

  • SKPeterson

    I am vaguely reminded of similar knee-jerk reactions and accusations in the wake of the Newtown shootings. Perhaps we should also exercise the caution and reservation of judgment that called for cooler heads to prevail in the aftermath of that tragedy. Hysterics and histrionics are in ample supply, rational reasonable reflection is not.

  • Shadow (formerly CW2)

    Tom Hering @ 22,

    “…why shouldn’t Muslims be allowed to immigrate ?”…

    The attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993 and 2001,and the recent bombings in Boston readily come to mind.

    I would like to recommend two books for you,Mr.Hering.Both are written by Srdja Trifkovic,Foreign-Affairs Editor for Chronicles magazine:
    “The Sword of the Prophet”
    “Defeating Jihad:How the War on Terror may yet be won,in spite of ourselves”

    Both books clearly demonstrate the unceasing peril we bring upon ourselves by allowing the continued importation of these people to our beleaguered nation.

    I am also linking to two articles which also prove my point:

    “Immigrant rape wave in Sweden”
    http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

    “Sweden Tops European Rape League-But Why ?”
    http://europenews.dk/en/node/25872

  • fjsteve

    SKP @ 44,

    I doubt anyone wants “cooler heads to prevail” in these types of situations. That’s why they trot out victims of the Newtown shootings for a vote one a gun bill that would have had zero impact on that particular incident. Knee-jerk emotionalism is what gets bills passed, not cooler heads.

  • Tom Hering

    I would like to recommend two books for you, Mr.Hering. (Shadow @ 45)

    I checked out the Chronicles site. Thanks, but no thanks.

  • Grace

    SKP @ 44

    The “Newtown shootings” are not in the same category as “terrorists” who come from abroad who tout their hatred for the United States, and wish to destroy us. Certainly you must see the difference.

  • Tom Hering

    Yeah, SK, can’t you see they’re differently dead?

  • BW

    Wait, so the US needs to ban immigrants from Latin American AND predominantly Muslim nations?

  • BW

    And by immigrants I mean both legal and illegal.

  • Rose

    The older brother Tamerlan was named for Tamerlane:
    http://www.silk-road.com/artl/timur.shtml

  • Carl Vehse

    Despite the FBI statement noted in #43, according to an Apr 21st AP/ABCNews news report:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Boston Mayor Tom Menino says information he has indicates that the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing acted alone.

    From a November, 2008, article, “Menino’s mosque: The bizarre story behind the construction of Boston’s most controversial building“:

    [Boston Mayor Thomas M.] Menino, in a fit of multicultural ecumenicalism, approved the sale of city-owned land to the mosque for the bargain basement — and still controversial — price of $175,000, plus the promise of in-kind services, including upkeep of nearby parks. The predictable uproar that arose in the wake of not only selling land well below market rates, but also selling it to a religious institution in contravention of the supposed separation of church and state, was supposed to be muffled by making the complex available for community use. But oops — that never happened.

    An April 2008 Boston Globe-UNH poll indicated that in Boston the mayor has a 72% approval rating.

    The election and re-election of this lowlife as mayor of Boston since 1993 dilutes any sympathy that one may have for the electorate regarding whatever may happen as the result of Menino’s antics.

  • Carl Vehse

    According to a Daily Mail article, “Bomber ‘put gun in his mouth and fired as he was cornered in boat’ and wounds mean he may NEVER be able to be quizzed“:

    The alleged Boston Marathon bomber may have tried to kill himself rather than surrender after he was cornered by police – but failed in his suicide attempt, it has been revealed.

    A new report says Dzhokhar Tsarnaev shoved his pistol in his own mouth and pulled the trigger as SWAT officers and federal agents closed in on the boat where he was hiding on Friday night. However, instead of killing him, the bullet simply tore through his neck.

    If this story is true, then in the exchange of allegedly 200 bullets 20 hours earlier, only one bullet allegedly hit the Islamoterrorist in the leg.

    Yet the article shows a picture of the Islamoterrorist climbing out of the boat under his own power.

    The story also noted unidentified authorities still claiming these two Islamoterrorists were working alone. However the Boston mayor did not exclude the possibility that the Martians, or perhaps the Klingons, had given some aid to the two Islamoterrorists.

  • Grace

     ‏

     ‏ All the photos and story of the “brainwashed” wife of Tamerlan Tsarnaev. can be found at the LINK below:

    Daily Mail

    EXCLUSIVE – How doctor’s daughter became the Muslim convert widow of Boston bomber:

    Terrorist husband ‘brainwashed’ her and she gave up her dreams of college to have his baby at 21
    Schoolfriend tells MailOnline how Katherine Russell had dreams of joining the Peace Corps – but was ‘totally transformed’ by Tamerlan Tsarnaev

    By Laura Collins In North Kingstown, Rhode Island

    PUBLISHED: 16:19 EST, 21 April 2013 | UPDATED: 16:44 EST, 21 April 2013

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312588/EXCLUSIVE-How-Muslim-convert-widow-Boston-bomber-brainwashed-terrorist-husband-gave-dreams-college-baby-21.html

  • Grace

     ‏
    The story below with photos – very interesting, especially the remarks of Sen. Lindsey Graham.

    Did Boston bomber meet with known jihadist terrorist? Speculation grows as it emerges Russia asked FBI to investigate Boston bomber just SIX MONTHS ago after his trip to Dagestan

    Russian authorities contacted FBI in November with questions about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, police source said
    It came after he was seen meeting with a person involved in militant Islamic underground movement in Dagestan
    FBI never responded to the concerns, the source claimed
    Tsarnaev’s mother said the FBI had trailed him for five years amid fears he was inspired by Russia’s Bin Laden

    By Leslie Larson and Lydia Warren

    PUBLISHED: 11:37 EST, 21 April 2013 | UPDATED: 15:37 EST, 21 April 2013

    AN EXCERPT FROM ARTICLE

    Sen. Lindsey Graham added that the FBI dropped the ball in investigating Tsarnaev in 2011.

    ‘Once you’re brought to attention by a foreign government, I think you should have a red flag put then, to be taken off later,’ Graham said on CNN’s State of the Union.

    ‘The ball was dropped in one of two ways – the FBI missed a lot of things, [or] there’s one potential answer [that] our laws do not allow to follow up in a sound solid way. There was a lot to be learned from this guy. He was on websites talking about killing Americans. He went overseas… he was clearly talking about radical ideas. He was visiting radical areas.’

    The FBI revealed on Friday that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was the subject of an agency investigation two years ago.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312496/Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-Did-Boston-bomber-meet-known-jihadist-terrorist-Speculation-grows-emerges-Russia-asked-FBI-investigate-Boston-bomber-just-SIX-MONTHS-ago-trip-Dagestan.html

  • Grace

    The story above @ 56 is from the Daily Mail.

  • sg

    EXCLUSIVE – How doctor’s daughter became the Muslim convert widow of Boston bomber:

    Terrorist husband ‘brainwashed’ her and she gave up her dreams of college to have his baby at 21
    Schoolfriend tells MailOnline how Katherine Russell had dreams of joining the Peace Corps – but was ‘totally transformed’ by Tamerlan Tsarnaev

    LOL

    Girls sure do love their bad boys.

  • Tom Hering

    So Carl and Grace are relying a lot on the Daily Mail (UK) these days. Really, you two, if you want credibility, cite a more credible source. Like The New York Post. :-D

  • Helen K.

    Hanni – way back @ comment 12. And thank YOU, for your input. I’m not following this Bombing event that closely but anyway the original thoughts I had posted and Grace responded to, simply were my thoughts on how I personally respond to any crime great or small. Could be a simple robbery in Phoenix, petty car theft or the more henious crimes. Murder, rape, torture, child abuse and neglet….the list goes on. I simply mean that I always have a mental picture of the criminal or suspect as an infant with a life ahead of him or her. And something went wrong. That is what I feel sorrow for – a human being who could have had a “normal” life, made some contribution and been of benefit to society and himself.
    As far as my question to Grace about a Calvinist teaching of election, predestination and so on, I was musing if it could be an indication that certain individuals are “born bad” and since they may not be among an elect population designated by God to never be saved, there wouldn’t be the point in compassion and sympathy for them. Pure speculation on my part as far as a doctrinal position.
    Personally I don’t subscribe to the pure Calvinist theology – there are ideas in the Bible I don’t fully understand and I don’t think many others do either. After years of agonizing and searching, I finally chose to have a simple faith in God. I will say that the Lutheran view of the right and left kingdom has helped me imeasureably in many of my former questions and worries. I had never heard of that view until I read one of Dr. Veith’s books.
    I trust, Hanni, that your son is doing well and any problems were resolved. God’s richest blessings sent your way.

  • sg

    @59

    Is there a particular data point you refute? Or is this just a game of insults because you have nothing else?

    Should people be posting the drivel being written in the NY Times on this topic?

    This op ed is so over the top that if I were to write a caricature of this kind of writing, I wouldn’t even go this far. Hilarious in its absurdity. Utterly lacking any credibility from the opening line:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/opinion/beslan-meets-columbine.html?hp&_r=0

  • sg

    my thoughts on how I personally respond to any crime great or small. Could be a simple robbery in Phoenix, petty car theft or the more henious crimes. Murder, rape, torture, child abuse and neglet….the list goes on. I simply mean that I always have a mental picture of the criminal or suspect as an infant with a life ahead of him or her. And something went wrong. That is what I feel sorrow for – a human being who could have had a “normal” life, made some contribution and been of benefit to society and himself.

    Sounds like you have nothing in common with those whose early life you wonder about because they, unlike you, are not using their mental energy contemplating the humanity of their fellow beings.

  • Tom Hering

    @ 61, the whole idea of op-eds written by guest contributors is to present a variety of viewpoints. What’s your major problem with that?

  • Tom Hering

    Hey, I have something in common with the people Helen wonders about. I’m evil by nature. So, there but by the grace of God go I.

  • Carl Vehse

    Shocking! I have to recant my discrediting of the news media (at least for the moment). The media journalists have dug deep using their investigative skills to discover and report information that the American people heretofore would never have realized.

    It’s all in the AP Apr. 21 4:32 PM EDT report, which states:

    CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A Massachusetts police official say the brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon before having shootouts with authorities didn’t have gun permits.

    Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert Haas tells The Associated Press in an interview Sunday that neither Tamerlan Tsarnaev (tsahr-NEYE’-ehv) nor his brother Dzhokhar had permission to carry firearms.

    Whodathunkit?!

  • Grace

    Oh Carl –

    They didn’t have gun permits – WELL, they didn’t have bomb permits as well. It’s a shame they were ever permited to set foot in the United States of America!

  • Grace

    I managed to misspell “permitted” – Please excuse me!

  • passin thru

    “They’ll know we are Christians by our love.”

    Not so much on this blog.

    Maybe the Calvinists are right and the Lutherans are wrong — Christ didn’t die for everyone but only the Elect.

    So let’s not pray for this young man’s salvation.

    OK?

  • Grace

    passin thru @ 68

    “They’ll know we are Christians by our love.”

    Not so much on this blog.

    Maybe the Calvinists are right and the Lutherans are wrong — Christ didn’t die for everyone but only the Elect.

    So let’s not pray for this young man’s salvation.”

    Passin thru,

    Interesting – do you have any compassion for those who are without legs, those who are badly injured – OR, those who have lost loved ones due to the radical beliefs of these people? Have you prayed for God to comfort and guide them?

    Where is YOUR LOVE? – or was it “passin thru’ as you slugged through the posts?

    Have you prayed for this mans “salvation” ?

    Is it just the commenters on this blog who have been remiss in meeting your expectations? Or have you stumbled in your own attempt to find fault with those who find this ugly attempt to hurt others contemptible?

    Before you pass judgment on this blog, check your “love” for this man, and then see the carnage, wrought upon those who were harmed by bombs, etc. Check out the photos on the posts I made above – Daily Mail from Britain. Where is YOUR LOVE?

  • fjsteve

    I think passin thru got both Calvinism and Lutheranism wrong.

  • Grace

    fjsteve @ 70

    “I think passin thru got both Calvinism and Lutheranism wrong.”

    I disagree – this individual doesn’t know what love means, if he did he would not have attacked commenters on this blog who care deeply about people who are dead and harmed by the evil deeds of those who have no conscience. Instead he pictures himself as a ‘love warrior, rather than one who finds those in pain, distress and heartache with prayer and love, ie; families of the dead, and those who are maimed for life, due to the hate filled lives of those who follow evil.

  • fjsteve

    Grace, I don’t get where what you just said disagrees with my post.

  • Grace

    fjsteve,

    Read his comment over, and then mine and yours. He’s coming from a different direction. What is “love” to him? Is it just for those who hurt others, or…………..?

  • fjsteve

    Grace, that individual made a very specific, and very incorrect statement about Calvinists and Lutherans. That’s all I was responding to.

  • Shadow (formerly CW2)

    Fjsteve @ 36,

    “…they were neither from a country whom we have had past immigration problems nor with whom we have had past terrorism problems…”

    A nation need not have direct experience with any particular group of would-be immigrants in order to accurately assess their suitability at becoming productive citizens.As the behavior of people in their own countries is a very good indication of how they would comport themselves in other country,it is with righteous prudence that the observed inclinations of those in question serves as a natural impediment to their being allowed entry into our nation to begin with.

    “…Mohammad Atta and most of the 9/11 perpetrators were here on tourist visas…”

    Which is further reason to severely restrict visas (in all it’s forms ) from being issued to people from terrorist-sponsoring nations.

    “…Anwar al-Awlaki…Nadal Hasan…”

    What you did not mention is that the parents of both of these men were born overseas:The parents of al-Awlaki hail from Yemen,while the parents of Hasan are from the West Bank.Another reason to end Muslim immigration.
    In the case of Padilla,his parents were born in Puerto Rico.While,technically,U.S.citizens,this is yet one more reason,among many,why PR should be given it’s independence and sent on it’s own way.

  • Tom Hering

    As the behavior of people in their own countries is a very good indication of how they would comport themselves in other country,it is with righteous prudence that the observed inclinations of those in question serves as a natural impediment to their being allowed entry into our nation to begin with. (@ 75)

    Generally, we offer immigration to acceptable individuals, even when we give temporary preference to certain people groups (because of war or danger or displacement). Classifying an individual by the supposed bad characteristics of his or her people group is the very definition of bigotry.

  • Carl Vehse

    Classifying an individual by the supposed bad characteristics of his or her people group is the very definition of bigotry.

    “People group”? Nonsense. “Bigotry”? Ridiculous. Classifying an individual by his expressed culture, political values, and religion is called “profiling.” That’s how “acceptable” is to be determined.

  • kerner

    @75:

    I’ve been just lurking up till now, but just a minute. Did you really just say that a large group of American Citizens by birth (Puerto Ricans) should be stripped of their citizenship and “sent on their way”? Really??

    Can you not see where that leads? What is to stop our government from stripping any of us of our citizenship under the guise of “giving us independence”, if we start something like that?

    And Rose @52:

    What difference does it make what his first name was? For goodness sake, Julius Erving
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Erving

    was named after Julius Caesar
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar

    Does that mean we should suspect Julius Erving of trying to become a dictator?

    I swear, the level of absurdity on this blog is approaching critical mass.

  • Tom Hering

    Oh yeah. Asian profile. Irish profile. Eastern European profile. Got it.

  • Shadow ( formerly CW2 )

    BW @ 41,

    “…I don’t see how immigration policy is relevant to this particular case…”

    Are you blind ? The Tsarnaev clan was originally (& foolishly) permitted entry to this country based upon dubious refugee claims.
    Last time I checked,the refugee racket was a subset of federal immigration policy.

    The devastating truth about the bloodshed in Boston,is that it is yet another painful example of innocent life being lost that,were it not for our nation’s permissive,open borders policy,could have been saved.

    http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/category/boston-marathon-bombing

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/boston-marathon-suspects-could-have-been-deported-after-an-assault-conviction-except-no-one-ge

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/timely-deportation-could-have-prevented-boston-terror-attack

  • Shadow ( formerly CW2)

    Tom Hering @ 47,

    What do you have against Chronicles ?

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    So Shadow, are you going to expell hard-working, straight-talking uncle Ruslan too?

  • Tom Hering

    What do you have against Chronicles? (@ 81)

    I don’t waste my time reading stuff put out by think tanks, as they’re places where “scholars” work backwards from preferred conclusions. In this case: immigration bad.

  • Kirk

    @Klasie,

    We should probably kick out conservative Christians, too. After Eric Rudolf, Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols, not to mention Hutaree Militia, Freemen, and the KKK, I think it’s pretty safe to say that Christians motivated by a conservative mentality are a security concern, too.

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Tom @ 84: Actually, since virtually all terrorists, rapists, mass murderers etc are men, just deport all men….

  • Klasie Kraalogies

    Sorry, I meant Kirk @ 84, @ 85 :)

  • BW

    So if we’re gonna end Muslim immigration, what do we do about the millions of Muslims already in the US? What about immigrants from a nation like India, which is only like 10-15% Muslim I think, but since it has hundreds of millions of people, which means millions upon millions of muslim Indians, should we ban all Indians? Or just Indians from predominantly Muslim regions in India? I think the city of Goa is mostly Christian and Muslim, so would this exclude Goan Christian Indians?

    The US, has in her history, banned or set quotas for immigrants from southern and eastern Europe. I really don’t think Italian or Greek Americans look back favorable upon those practices.

  • Kirk

    @85

    Actually, since 100% of terrorists are not Grace, Shadow or sg, we should just deport everyone except them!

  • BW

    Kirk @ 88,

    Carl?

  • kerner

    Shadow @80:

    So, accepting refugees is a “racket”? Well, I guess my church should discontinue our mission to these people right away:

    http://swd.lcms.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=ycK9XyIp7PY%3d&tabid=2828

    Certainly nothing Anglo-Saxon about them. Oh the diversity! Oh the pollution of our pristine culture! Who cares whether they hear the gospel?

  • BW

    I just realized that there is a small Egyptian Coptic community near me. I guess they’ll have to be sent back to Egypt. Egypt is a Muslim country, how do we know these “refugees” are really Copts and not Muslims? One of them did tell my mom that his grandmother wants to go back to Egypt, it’s too cold here in Pennsylvania. But they had to remind grandmother that if they return, they believe they will be killed.

  • sg

    Actually, since virtually all terrorists, rapists, mass murderers etc are men, just deport all men”

    But then who would do all the essential tasks American women just won’t do. :D

  • sg

    @ 61, the whole idea of op-eds written by guest contributors is to present a variety of viewpoints. What’s your major problem with that?

    1) What variety?

    2) My problem is with this particular piece and its false premises and other stupid statements. She could tell the Chechens by just looking at them? yeah, right. I guess she could also instantly recognize Turks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Ukrainians, Romanians etc. What nonsense. What is she, captain stereotyper?

  • sg

    Classifying an individual by the supposed bad characteristics of his or her people group is the very definition of bigotry.

    Nah, it is risk management.

    Some % of immigrants from a given country commit crimes after they arrive here.

    Our acceptable percentage is X%.

    If you are from a country whose % is above that threshold then as an individual you have to pass more stringent criteria or post a bond etc., in order to gain entrance.

    Canada and Europe have different criteria for citizens of different countries. So do lots of other countries. If you are from some countries, you can just walk right in. If you are from other countries, you have to get visas, permission, etc., or you are just banned outright.

    That way it is fair to everyone who wants to come in and provides some protections to those people who are already here.

  • sg


    Actually, since 100% of terrorists are not Grace, Shadow or sg, we should just deport everyone except them!

    There is an example of hysterical.

  • Grace

    This just in from CNN:

    “Two men arrested and charged Monday were part of an al Qaeda-supported plot to derail a passenger train, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said.

    The suspects, Chiheb Esseghaier and Raed Jaser, are accused of conspiring to kill people on a VIA train, police said. Officials said that the suspects had the capacity to carry out an attack but that the public was never in imminent danger.

    The two men were receiving support “in the form of direction and guidance” from al Qaeda elements in Iran, police said. They are not Canadian citizens.

    Visas and immigration need to tighten up!

  • Grace

    SG,

    There are a few on this blog who love “HYSTERICAL” It’s their fav passtime!

  • SKPeterson

    Al Qaeda in Iran? That is like saying Shi’ite insurgents in Saudi Arabia.

  • Carl Vehse

    This is now the Age of the Boston Gestapo (and it could just as easily occur in any U.S. city): Shocking Footage: Americans Ordered Out Of Homes At Gunpoint By SWAT teams”. No wonder the traitors in Washington, and their supporters, want to tear up the Second Amendment.

  • fjsteve

    There actually are Shi’ite insurgents in Saudi Arabia. They just happen to be a bigger issue for the Saudis than for the US. There probably are AQ elements in Iran but because Iran blames AQ ideology for the strife in Syria, they’re not likely to be providing any financial backing.

  • sg

    This is now the Age of the Boston Gestapo (and it could just as easily occur in any U.S. city.

    Maybe, but I would not be surprised if the cops in Alabama trust the local citizens to recognize a terrorist who needed killing.

  • Fred

    I think they’re talking about Carl and other right-wing nuts on here.

    “There aren’t enough unsubstantiated rumors in American media for the Right Wing Blogosphere Unison Bigots’ Chorus, so now they’re turning to British tabloids like The Daily Mail and The Daily Mirror for their hit of xenophobia juice: Boston Bombers: FBI Hunting 12-Strong Terrorist “Sleeper Cell” Linked to Brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev – Mirror Online.

    Unnamed sources.

    British tabloid, otherwise dedicated to celebrity gossip.

    Perhaps not something you should bet the farm on, especially after all the fake stories that have been floating about, wouldn’t you think?”

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/

  • Shadow

    Tom Hering @ 76,

    “…Classifying an individual by the supposed bad characteristics of his or her people group is the very definition of bigotry”.

    What you view as being the essence of bigotry,I see as making a dispassionate assessment of group behavior,based upon the predominant manifestations of certain endemic traits exhibited by whatever ‘people group’ – I prefer to call them races – we have in mind.

    While the actions demonstrated by particular individuals may not,necessarily,signify the predispositions of any particular racial ( or religious ) group at large,they do,more often than not,indicate a prevailing set of mores and behaviors that are innate within the group as a whole.Such are the makings of what we call “Culture”.And as any honest person will readily admit to,all cultures are decidedly not equal !

    We all know the familiar stereotypes : the drunken Irish,the stubborn,mule-headed German ( this one is so very true ),the Latin lover,the brutish Mexican,the homicidal Muslim,and the difficult Asian.Yes,they are stereotypes;but,all stereotypes,to one degree or another,are based upon,at least,a kernel of truth.There are usually exceptions to this rule,but the rule is still the rule !

    When dealing with something as far-reaching as deciding which kinds of people to allow entry into our country,we would be dreadfully short-sighted in refusing to seriously consider the make and manner of those seeking to immigrate to our shores.As we can see from the recent bombings in Boston,the consequences of neglecting to do so can be deadly !

    To those of you interested in further exploring the kind of Race Realist thinking I generally subscribe to,I heartily recommend the following :

    Human BioDiversity Reading List/HBD Bibliography
    http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com

    HBD Chick
    http://hbdchick.wordpress.com

    American Renaissance
    http://www.amren.com

  • Shadow

    Tom Hering @ 76,

    “…Classifying an individual by the supposed bad characteristics of his or her people group is the very definition of bigotry”.

    What you view as being the essence of bigotry,I see as making a dispassionate assessment of group behavior based upon the predominant manifestations of certain endemic traits exhibited by whatever ‘people group’-I prefer to call them races-we have in mind.

    While the actions demonstrated by particular individuals may not,necessarily,signify the predispositions of any specific racial ( or religious ) group at large,they do,more often than not,indicate a prevailing set of mores and behaviors that are innate within the group as a whole.Such are the makings of what we call “Culture”.And as any honest person will readily admit,all cultures are decidedly not equal !

    Now,we all know the familiar stereotypes : the drunken Irish,the stubborn,mule-headed German ( this one is so very true ),the Latin lover,the brutish Mexican,the difficult Asian,and the homicidal Muslim.Yes,they are very much stereotypes,but,all stereotypes,to one degree or another,are based upon,at least,a kernal of truth.There are ,it is true,sometimes exceptions to this rule;but the rule is still the rule.

    When dealing with something as far-reaching as deciding which kinds of people we might allow entry into our country,we would be dreadfully short-sighted in refusing to seriously consider the make and manner of those seeking to immigrate to our shores.As we can see from the recent bombings in Boston,the consequences of refusing to do so can be deadly !

  • tODD

    Shadow (@103), if we had to have a vote on who gets to stay in the country, I’m pretty sure I’d vote for an average Middle Eastern immigrant over citizens like you who don’t get what this country is about — and has been about for quite some time now.

    Also, just because you use lots of words to defend it, doesn’t mean it isn’t racism. FYI.

  • BW

    How is race realism not racism? I am very lost. I thought this was America and people were innocent until proven guilty.

  • Tom Hering

    … I prefer to call them races … (@ 103 & 104)

    You do realize, don’t you, that “race” is a long-discredited idea?

  • Carl Vehse

    Classifying an individual by his expressed culture, political values, and religion is called “profiling.”

    Here’s an example: List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 30 Days

    … and some previous examples.

    “I’ll take “Captain Obvious” for $500, Alex.”

  • Grace

    Carl,

    That is a very good site, however, very sobering!

    THANK YOU, this should wake a few of those who ‘nap it up.

  • Carl Vehse

    Thousands of city, state, and federal agents in full combat gear, armed with high-powered assault rifles, shotguns, armored vehicles, and helicopters flooded Boston to take down two Islamoterrorists.

    Now Islamists are being challenged by an international organization, Femen, and one of their leaders, Inna Shechenko, has made the statement:

    Our understanding of Islamism, according to what we have learned fighting against it, tells us that our criticism of it is valid and holds out much hope for the future.

    At the heart of Islamism lies the enslavement of women based on control over their sexuality. The hijab is at the same time both a symbol and a tool of this enslavement.

    I hereby both promise and threaten to deploy an entire network of Femen activists in Arab countries. We will hound Islamic leaders across the globe, subjecting them to desolating criticism. We intend to hound spiritual leaders who are personally responsible for mistreating women.

    More information is in the CNN news report, “Why topless protesters will hound Islamic leaders.”

  • Carl Vehse

    Thousands of city, state, and federal agents in full combat gear, armed with high-powered assault rifles, shotguns, armored vehicles, and helicopters flooded Boston to take down two Islamoterrorists.

    Now Islamists are being challenged by an international organization, Femen, and one of their leaders, Inna Shechenko, has made the statement:

    Our understanding of Islamism, according to what we have learned fighting against it, tells us that our criticism of it is valid and holds out much hope for the future.

    At the heart of Islamism lies the enslavement of women based on control over their sexuality. The hijab is at the same time both a symbol and a tool of this enslavement.

    I hereby both promise and threaten to deploy an entire network of Femen activists in Arab countries. We will hound Islamic leaders across the globe, subjecting them to desolating criticism. We intend to hound spiritual leaders who are personally responsible for mistreating women.

    More information is in the CNN news report, “Why topless protesters will hound Islamic leaders.”

  • tODD

    Okay, who broke the Vehse-bot? Posting pro-feminist rants in favor of topless women was not part of the original programming.

  • Carl Vehse

    Through the efforts of politicians, whom they elected, the people of Boston financially supported the islamoterrorists who then killed and maimed them and their children.

    According to a Boston Herald news story, “Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits“:

    Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.

    State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter. The state’s Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits. Russell Tsarnaev’s attorney has claimed Katherine — who had converted to Islam — was working up to 80 hours a week as a home health aide while Tsarnaev stayed at home.

    In addition, both of Tsarnaev’s parents received benefits, and accused brother bombers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan were recipients through their parents when they were younger, according to the state.

  • Tom Hering

    Now we know! They were radicalized by leaders of the food stamp program!

  • Shadow

    KK @ 82,

    It must be understood,in no uncertain terms,that putting a friendly face on the Muslim community only serves to propagate the nonsensical idea of Islam as being a ‘religion of peace’.
    This veil of lies,in turn,becomes a Trojan Horse,whereby a growing Muslim community is allowed to establish itself as a beachhead in society,into which those Muslims seeking to do us harm can find refuge and support,all the while plotting & planning their next violent outrage.

    Meanwhile,our federal government,always on the lookout for more excuses to expand the reach of Leviathan,uses their presence in our society as a pretext to grow an evermore intrusive and oppressive police state that is relentless in it’s assault upon our civil liberties.Without the continued presence of Muslims in our country,what justification would the feds have for it’s continued expansion of their beloved police state ?

    So yes,Mr.Kraalogies,I would definitely expel “hard-working,straight-talking Uncle Ruslan”,as well as his fellow co-religionists;the hope of finally dismantling our suffocating police state demands it.

  • Shadow

    Tom Hering @ 83,

    I do not believe,for one minute,that you even bothered to read anything on the Chronicles site.Especially since they have not posted any recent content directly related to the immigration issue.If you had actually bothered to read any of their material,you would realize that they are far from being concerned with the immigration issue alone.These are Christian men of honor & integrity.They are not the kind of men to approach an issue with a set of preconceived ideas to the exclusion of other available facts;they are seekers of truth,wherever the truth will lead the.

    Furthermore,you offer sweeping assumptions impugning their motives,but you offer no evidence validating your criticism.Strange.

  • Shadow

    Todd @ 105,

    Racism,Racism
    Where are you,dear racism
    You’re always a false accusation away!

    Sigh

    If you are going to accuse me of something,the least you can do is to think of something original to accuse me of.Crying racism is so 1995 !!!

  • tODD

    Shadow (@117), complaining about the label does not make your way of thinking any different. Might as well own it.

  • Shadow

    Todd @ 118,

    I offer the following with the intention of disabusing you of your puerile notions of race :

    A Conversation About Race
    http://www.aconversationaboutrace.com

  • Tom Hering

    Get it, Todd? We can’t possibly understand or critique Shadow’s views unless we undergo the sort of immersive reeducation he recommends, spending hours and days watching films and reading websites. Perhaps we should spend a few months or years at hard labor in right-wing reeducation camps, too. :-D

  • Shadow

    Tom Hering @ 107,

    …”You do realize,don’t you,that ‘race’ is a long-discredited ?”

    Nice try,Mr.Hering :

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/jewish-daily-forward-jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal

    There is A LOT MORE where that comes from!

  • Shadow

    Tom Hering @ 120,

    “…immersive reeducation….
    …right-wing reeducation camps…”

    You mean as opposed to the indoctrination of left-wing reeducation camps-like the MSM and the public schools and public & private universities-who deceitfully claim that there is no such thing as race?If you were to talk with any geneticist worth his salt,and suggest to him that race doesn’t exist,you would be laughed right out of the laboratory!

  • Tom Hering

    There is A LOT MORE where that comes from! (@ 121)

    I’m sure there is. And I’m sure you’ll be inundating us with it in the weeks and months to come.

    I’m going to need lots of coffee to keep from nodding off.

  • Tom Hering

    If you were to talk with any geneticist worth his salt,and suggest to him that race doesn’t exist,you would be laughed right out of the laboratory! (@ 122)

    The key phrase there is “worth his salt.” Something determined, of course, by the degree to which they agree with your views.

  • Shadow

    Kerner @ 78,

    If Puerto Rico were an actual state of the Union,instead of being a mere state,then your contention would have some merit.However,as the Supreme Court has ruled in several cases,PR Has Never Been Eligible to experience the full spectrum of constitutional rights guaranteed to the states.

    From a Wikipedia article-”Insular Cases” :

    “…the Supreme Court said that full constitutional rights did not automatically extend to all areas under American control…
    …inhabitants of unincorporated territories such as Puerto Rico ‘even if they are U.S. citizens ‘,may have no constitutional rights,such as to remain part of the United States if the United States chooses to engage in deannexation”…

    And,

    “…the Court in these cases also established the doctrine of territorial incorporation.Under the same,the Constitution applied fully only in incorporated territories such as Alaska & Hawaii,whereas it applied only partially in the new unincorporated territories of Puerto Rico,Guam and the Philippines”…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_Cases

  • Shadow

    Correction:

    The FIRST SENTENCE to my comment @ 125 SHOULD HAVE READ AS FOLLOWS :

    “If Puerto Rico were an actual state of the Union,instead of being a mere TERRITORY…..”

  • Shadow

    BW @ 87,

    “…What do we do about the millions of Muslims already in the U.S. ?”…

    Mass repatriation.Revoke their citizenship and send them back home.

    See my comment @ 115

    You must understand,BW,that immigrating to this country is a privilege,not a right.Our immigration laws are solely designed ( or SHOULD BE DESIGNED ) with what is in the best interest of the country as a whole,and not for the benefit of whoever wants to come here.

    “…I really don’t think Italian or Greek Americans look back favorably upon those practices”

    Here,you are engaging in a shameful bit of historical revisionism.See the following :

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/italian-americans-accepted-the-challenge-of-americanism-why-can-t-hispanics

  • BW

    Shadow,

    You are a persistent one.

    I understand our immigration processes can’t be completely 100% open. I don’t see how barring entire groups of people, just because there are criminals or terrorists that have the same ethnicity or claim the same religion.

    Frankly, I’m throwing the BS flag on that article. Italian Americans, just like many other groups, formed ethnic enclaves in American cities. Hence “Little Italy,” or “Chinatown.” And that article is telling me Italian Americans “forgot” the old country? Right, hence why we have so few Italian restaurants, cooking shows, etc. They brought their culture and it became part of the landscape. Have the Amish assimilated?

  • Shadow

    BW @ 91,

    “…Egyptian Coptic community…grandmother…”

    This is one of the very few instances where I believe a compelling case can be made for granting refugee status.

  • Shadow

    BW @ 106,

    Here is an excellent summation of what race realism is and isn’t :

    http://angrywhitedude.com/2013/01/on-race-realism-and-white-supremacism

  • Tom Hering

    On the other hand, if you want to read something intelligent concerning the concept of race, go here:

    http://www.pbs.org/race/000_General/000_00-Home.htm

  • Shadow

    Tom Hering @ 131,

    Mr.Hering,

    Have you ever thought of becoming a comedian ? Your comments on racial issues are giving me lots of laughs.

    “Routing The Race Deniers ( Not That They’ll Notice )”
    http://www.vdare.com/articles/routing-the-race-deniers-not-that-theyll-notice

  • Tom Hering

    Did I make you laugh hard enough to fall off your dinosaur? :-D

  • Shadow

    BW @ 128,

    Where Muslim immigrants are concerned,I hope you would read the two books by Dr.Trifkovic that I recommended to Mr.Hering @ 45. In those books,Dr. Trifkovic thoroughly documents,in no uncertain terms,the incompatibility of Islam and a republic such as ours.If you sincerely want to know what is really at stake in this issue,you will not find a more authoritative source than Dr.Trifkovic.Moreover,he writes from the perspective of a paleoconservative Christian,and thus rejects the kind of nation-building,bloodthirsty warmongering so favored by the rapacious neocons.What he calls for is nothing less than disengagement,to the greatest extent possible,from the Muslim world.Those 2 books show why…& how.

    As for other types of potential immigrants, my view is this : I believe one of the most important ( but not the only important ) objectives of immigration policy is a policy designed so as not to undermine the “historic American nation”;that is,a nation with a strong majority of European-descended peoples.I am a conservative.And I cannot think of anything more conservative than conserving the very identity of a nation itself.To do otherwise,to give full support to the deconstruction of said majority,is to be complicit in the kind of social engineering that only a liberal could love.

    With regards to the article you mention,I think you’re missing the essence of the piece entirely.The article was posted to show,unbeknownst to many,that Italian-Americans,despite the obstacles they faced in the beginning,went on to become among the leading proponents of immigration restriction.That is a lesson well worth reading about today.

  • Tom Hering

    I believe one of the most important ( but not the only important ) objectives of immigration policy is a policy designed so as not to undermine the “historic American nation”;that is,a nation with a strong majority of European-descended peoples. (@ 134)

    The kind of social engineering that only a far-right-winger could love.

  • Shadow

    Tom Hering @ 135 ,

    “…The kind of social engineering that only a far-right-winger could love.”

    Mr.Comedian ( Hering ),

    I do swear, you really should take your act on the road.You,sir,are hilarious.

    In any event,I suppose this puts me in the company of just about every nation on earth.As the vast majority of governments around the world have instituted immigration laws to preserve the ethnic character of their respective nations,I guess the entire world is governed by “far-right-wingers”.Woo Hoooooo !!!

  • Shadow

    Kerner @ 90,

    “So accepting refugees is a ‘racket’ ?”…

    Yes !!! As has been repeatedly documented for years on websites such as Refugee Resettlement Watch & VDARE ( among others ),the refugee ‘industry’ has become the sordid epitome of a government program that is riddled with an abundance of waste,fraud and abuse.

    In Dr.Veith’s March 22nd,2013 post – “Conservative Christians & Immigration reform”-I posted a comment ( as CW2, @89 ) listing 8 links that decisively proves my point :

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2013/03/conservative-christians-and-immigration-reform/#comment-260403

    In the links I provide,it becomes very clear that groups such as the Lutheran Immigration & Refugee Services,and Lutheran Social Services ( & even the LCMS,apparently ) are using the refugee racket- yes,racket ! – as a smokescreen to line the pockets of those officials who are,ostensibly,guided by “humanitarian” concerns.It is very easy for some people to play the high & mighty,especially when it’s being done with the taxpayers money!

    As the saying goes: Where there’s smoke,there’s fire !

    Remember this,too,Kerner,a true refugee does not have the personal resources to travel from country to country,and continent to continent in a never-ending quest to find a suitable place to live.Refugees,by definition,are destitute,completely bereft of the wherewithal to make an arduous journey to another city,let alone another country hundreds or thousands of miles away.If you want to truly help “refugees”,then you would help them to thrive in their own countries.

    “…Who cares whether they hear the gospel ? ”

    This is pure hyperbole.I have nothing against anybody hearing the gospel,of course !!! But,as the presence of many churches in places such as South Korea,India,Pakistan,and many parts of Africa readily attest,we do not need to import the world in order for them to hear the gospel.

  • Shadow

    Klasie @ 82,

    “…hard-working,straight-talking uncle Ruslan…”

    Time to eat crow,Klasie :

    ” ‘Uncle Ruslan’ aided terrorists from CIA official’s home”
    http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/29/uncle-ruslan-aid-to-terrorists-from-cia-officials-home/#more-3873

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